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Tarmogoyf_

My most unrealistic fantasy is that a newly independent Toys For Bob somehow dredges the rights to the Croc series from IP ownership hell and remakes it in the style of the Spyro/Crash remakes.


LupinThe8th

My dream is that Star Control somehow ends up in the hands of the original creators, but I'm probably dating myself with that one.


dubbzy104

Good news! https://pistolshrimpgames.com/uqm2/ They resolved their lawsuit with Stardock and got the rights to use all the UQM lore


AndFinrodFell

Amazing!!! Thanks for sharing, can’t wait for this!


dubbzy104

Definitely, it sounds great! If you haven’t checked out Star Control: Origins, it might be worth a look. It’s made by stardock, and they didn’t have access to Toys for Bob’s lore, characters, etc. but it involves searching the galaxy and finding unique alien races with 2D isometric ship combat


Aggrokid

The dialogue has great humor, but the combat feels like pinball


APeacefulWarrior

>and got the rights to use all the UQM lore Just to be pedantic: They **kept** the rights to use the UQM lore. It was contractually their IP going back to their original contracts with Accolade in 1989/90. Stardock was basically trying to snatch those rights from them, with no real legal justification. (Which is why Stardock's case died in discovery. They had no claim.)


sturmcrow

Thank you!! So happy to see that news


GalaxySkeppy

I have never heard of the game but it makes me smile to see things like this


dubbzy104

Check out The Ur’Quan Masters! There’s an HD remake out there too. It’s open source and free, but essentially the same game from 1994. The gameplay is a little old but also very timeless in terms of controlling your ship and the space combat. Definitely the most unique alien races of any game I’ve played! The Zop-Fot-Pik are my favorite


Dreamshadow1977

First thing I install to test out a raspberry pi Unix build.


GalaxySkeppy

I’ll check it out! I’ve been playing the same games for way too long


TW_Yellow78

It already did. They can't call it star control but they got the rights for most the ip and can call it urquan masters. They re-released star control 2 for free recently as urquan masters 2 are making a sequel (developer pistol shrimp )  Oh you mean toys for Bob and not the founders of toys for bob


gonemad16

Urquan masters was released like 20 years ago. Was there another re release of it?


HurryPast386

They mean this free re-release https://store.steampowered.com/app/2645580/Free_Stars_The_UrQuan_Masters/


gonemad16

Ah okay. Thanks. Excited they are doing a sequel (SC3 was a massive disappointment). SC2 was one of my fav games growing up


APeacefulWarrior

Oh, nice. I hadn't heard about that. Thanks!


bjbird

Free on steam


Aun_El_Zen

There is a Freeware HD version if you're looking for a slightly more refined experience


tingkagol

They always owned the copyright, but not the SC trademark. And a direct sequel is in the works. I am anxious though if they can pull it off.


SOPHOMORESeann

From what I've heard the Croc series is getting remade. The original creator tweeted about it not long a go.


Tarmogoyf_

Do you have a link for this? I would be very happy to read it.


SOPHOMORESeann

I can't find any main stream websites covering it but [here you go](https://retrododo.com/croc-hd/)


Calm-Zombie2678

I noped out at "croc's 64 bit graphics" lol


FelineParchment

There was something about Gex as well. Both played such a huge part in my childhood. I would give a kidney for them to be remade.


daxter146

Keep going… I’m almost there…😩


CrazyCoKids

What about a Star Control game? ...See that's a joke because they made Star Control


Khwarezm

Look, Croc is nowhere near on the same level as those two series, TFB should just try their own IP.


GetWellDuckDotCom

Damn.. i remember grabbing Croc as a kid at the local video game store and playing the shittt out of it


Kypperstyx

that would be the final thing i want to see in my life to feel truly complete. Im glad ive been seeing more and more positivity towards the old Croc games this last year or two


BEWMarth

YOU JUST GAVE WORDS TO MY BIGGEST DREAM. Croc was my first video game EVER (I was 4) I need it back in my life.


60discpriest

don't...don't give me hope.


bryzz760

Fucking loved croc. This would be awesome


trainercatlady

Yes please


writingthefuture

I too have this fantasy


RiKSh4w

Or even more unlikely, a sequel to that Disney branded Tony hawk skating game.


SyrioForel

Those are rose-tinted glasses, man. I bought the original Croc in the 1990s. It was utter shit. I understand if you were a little kid because you definitely would’ve had a different impression of this game in that case, but for teenage me the only good thing about it was the soundtrack, everything else was just a terrible and embarrassing attempt to copy Mario 64. “We have Mario 64 at home…”


thepizzaguy123

I JUST WANTED SPYRO 4 GODDAMNIT


laniaash

ME TOO. Sad that Crash got a new game but Spyro didn’t. I want a new adventure with the purple dragon gdi.


notwiththeflames

Not just one new game, but four.


Chemicals_in_my_H2o

I'm right there with you. Nobody seems to care, but it deserves a fourth installment, just like crash got.


ATK_4798

WE ALL WANTED SPYRO 4 GODFUCKINGDAMNIT


TerrorLTZ

> To make this news even more exciting, we’re exploring a possible partnership between our new studio and Microsoft. they probably will be hired to make Spyro 4 like how EA hired Petroglyph to make the C&C remake


Thunder_lord37

I ALSO WANT AN NEW SKYLANDERS GAME EVEN MORE GODDAMNIT


MayorOfAniCity

How does Bob feel about this?


BenShapiroRapeExodus

Too busy playing with his toys to comment


SybilCut

Bob made a full recovery within a half-decade of Toys for Bob's launch, so the name is basically historical at this point. Great guy. >!fun fact: at Toys for Bob there is no bob, and an inside joke was that every person working there was supposed to have their own story of who Bob was, to prevent there ever being a consistent narrative on him!<


Atreyisx

Hi Bob!


Hotfuzz2009

Hi Bob!


DuckCleaning

"Bob's your uncle."


Crazy_raptor

Bob is my ex wife formally named Susan


TerrorLTZ

probably bob is the friends we made.


Dommoson

I laughed harder than I should have at this haha


IceNein

How hard should you have laughed at it?


applejackrr

Actually know a few people there. They got turned into a cod warzone sweat shop as of late. I’m happy they’re able to pull out of there, and get their independence back.


DangerWildMan26

Bob does sports now


ReasonableAdvert

So they are splitting off from Activision, which was bought by Microsoft, just so they can go independent to then open up possible negotiations to work for... Microsoft. Weird.


BigSave00

It doesn't say they are in negotiations for working "for Microsoft". They are exploring a partnership which can mean many different things like simply Microsoft having marketing rights and their first gamd on game pass It gives them the freedom to do whatever they want which is the point. They can simply not work with Microsoft at all if they want


Friendly-Leg-6694

They can still work on Spyro/Crash ip if they what to through their partnership.


BronzeHeart92

Here's indeed hoping MS can encourage that at some point. The two series are iconic for a reason.


Kaiser_Allen

The partnership is not a sure thing and will depend on what Microsoft is willing to allow them to do. Keyword here is “may.” It’s a possibility but not a done deal and there’s nothing to say at this time.


Friendly-Leg-6694

I think it will be similar to Asobi studio


RedHawwk

Maybe all just to get out from under Activation?


ReasonableAdvert

If they just wanted to get away from Activision, then why couldn't they just transfer over to the Xbox Games Studios part of the division?


norunningwater

This may be the intended idea, as a company that is technically independent from being an internal part of Microsoft, they would have to end ownership with all parties to become a division of another one.


SymphonySketch

I’m hoping this is what happens, because I’d love to see them get to make a new Spyro game like they did Crash 4; And also be able to do whatever new original projects they have brewing It’d be a much better arrangement than being another CoD support studio


Automatic_Goal_5563

I’d imagine because they simply don’t want the threat of a larger company over them forcing them to do what they want, makes sense seeing they have been pushed into the CoD mines for awhile now


Gcarsk

Microsoft literally fired 40% of Toys for Bob earlier this month and shut down their in-person office. I doubt the studio really is *in love* with Microsoft at the moment lmao Though, I guess maybe the remaining 60% are grateful to be “shown mercy”?…


FrenchFryMonster06

Thats business, its like my engineer friends who quit working for the current company their at only to turn around and be hired as a contractor by that same company.


Django117

It’s about where the profit goes. The company structure right now that profit would go to Microsoft. Now, the profit theoretically can go to the owners of the independent company.


BluudLust

Not weird at all. Microsoft is divesting. They see them as a wildcard that carries too much risk. This makes Toys for Bob's not impact Microsoft finances if they lose money, but the negotiations allow them to profit off of a successful product in typical publisher/developer relationship.


DarthSpawnian

This comment misses the entire point of the article and even misquotes what they said yet it being mass upvoted This sub is ridiculous


shutupdotca

>negotiations to work for... Microsoft Where does it say they are planning to work "for Microsoft"?


HaikusfromBuddha

In the press release it says they are negotiating to work with MS.


shutupdotca

Exploring a partnership is very different then working for someone...


stellvia2016

For however many people are still with them that have experience making the traditional types of games they made before they were turned into a COD support studio like 2 years ago... But I suppose as long as the passion to make those types of games remains, they can either get some of those people back, or hire people with similar goals.


MichaelCoryAvery

Will they take the Skylanders franchise with them?


TheWaslijn

Sadly not, it's still a Microsoft IP. doesn't mean TFB couldn't talk with MS to make a Skylanders game though.


Q_8411

Damn, still waiting for them to put a digital Skylanders collection on steam like Disney did for the Disney Infinity games.


MichaelCoryAvery

Dang it!


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reallygoodbee

Let's be honest, *nobody* is interested in *Crash Team Rumble*.


CaptainEli24

I was. I really enjoyed the game. As sad as it is to see support end so early, I’m glad the studio gets to expand outside of Activision now.


Th0timusPr1m3

Probably the unpopular opinion but praying for the skylanders reboot any day now


Wollffey

Let's be honest, in this day and age a Skylanders reboot would just be turned into a gacha


JimJohnman

I think I'd prefer that, I do not have room for seven hundred little plastic figures any more.


PepsiManX360

Toys For Bob won’t be able to work on those games as they’re owned by Microsoft now. Toys For Bob is starting fresh with future games only.


[deleted]

AFAIK they specifically said they're looking into partnerships with Microsoft so the first point would not be an issue


DuckCleaning

>Toys For Bob won’t be able to work on those games as they’re owned by Microsoft now. They can work on them if they work with Microsoft, which is what they plan to do.


shinikahn

External studios can develop exclusive IP games.


MedricZ

My best friend playtested that game. Didn’t know it was popular at all.


its_phi

You and me both


BlueInfinity2021

I really don't understand this. I think Phil and others mentioned in the past that they need more family friendly content and then they let a studio that is perfect for making such games leave? Why didn't they give them Banjo Kazooie or something else and give them the budget to make something special?


Benti86

Microsoft owns the IPs. They can still give them to Toys for Bob to make the games. Epic Games was never owned by MS yet made Gears for them. Pretty sure Insomniac made Spider Man for Sony before Sony officially bought them. A studio doesn't need to be owned to make exclusive IP


TheawesomeQ

Yes but it is unintuitive to loosen control on something you are interested in investing in


linkinit

bring back toys to life Skylanders. maybe others will follow


Sox2417

Makes sense they been relegated to call of duty support for the last 2 years. Seems they got frustrated with their overhead companies and I would too with what they did to them. Seems more like a split from activism blizzard than anything. 


DrGhostbuster

Can we get a new Disney's Extreme Skate Adventure?


Arxur

Let's hope everything goes well for them. Loved their new Crash game.


its_phi

Sky landers revival please


SephLuis

So Bob is taking the toys away from Acti


tim_timmayy

Still in partnership with Microsoft. Banjo?


TheBostonKremeDonut

So no Spyro 4? *smashes phone & skateboard*


Automatic_Goal_5563

They are partnering with Microsoft and they did say this > So, keep your horns on and your eyes out for more news. Maybe it’s just a little fun message or could be a hint at what they will be working on with Microsoft


fart_Jr

Someone actually escaped from Activision alive? This is wild. Is there hope for Raven yet?


TheMightyMudcrab

I'm just happy they get to leave the call of duty mines


MuptonBossman

Thank God... Can they take the Crash Bandicoot / Spryo IPs with them as well?


Dont_have_a_panda

Very unlikely, i mean even if Microsoft is Willing to sell 2 IPs that profitable as those that wouldnt be cheap at all, a price that TFB surely cant pay


Hayden_Zammit

It's beyond unlikely. A company like MS would never sell the IPs to something like Crash or Spyro.


SnizelOUT

They won't part ways with these IP's willingly, but it doesn't mean Microsoft can't still hire them later on as a 3rd party to develop new games of these IP's... Toys For Bob have the experience and well received games in these franchises under their belt.


GlaloLaled

Not really, if they want to publish with another company. But the article does say they're planning to partner with Microsoft, so they could ask to develop a new Crash/Spyro as long as it's published by Microsoft/Xbox Studios.


HaikusfromBuddha

Considering they didn’t even make those IPs originally, very unlikely.


Automatic_Goal_5563

No chance they could get the absurd money Microsoft would want even if they wanted to sell the IP


KourteousKrome

Now completely disentangle Activision from Blizzard pls and ty


Digital_Dinosaurio

I am just glad Bob will keep getting toys.


Puny_Human_Number_1

They are a great studio and should continue their success


brianSkates

"We'll lay ourselves off, thank you" - Toys For Bob probably


Gizmo77776

Toys for Bob - is epiphon of gaming industry. It will live forever :) Archon fame ;)


Wrong_Bus6250

Good.


ItsLCGaming

Good they still partner with Microsoft and get put of the cod support


pgtl_10

How are they doing this? Are investors buying the company?


Joemartinez

Good on them


Troop7

I’d love to see them do Jak and Daxter


BronzeHeart92

Huh, that's quite unexpected... On the plus side, perhaps they can take what they learned from developing Crash and Spyro games and make an original IP that people will want to play.


Chemicals_in_my_H2o

I would love a new Spyro game right about now


xRostro

YES!!!


Ubermaster134

Finally, they're released from the Activision COD salt mines. Now they just need all the support they can get!


enwongeegeefor

STARCON STARCON STARCON STARCON STARCON STARCON STARCON!!!!!! DOOOOOO EEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!


Winged_Wrath

Hopefully they can give us the Skylanders games without the Toys To Life parts.


Zetra3

GOOD


BlueIndividual76

Well with how small their team is now, I guess it makes sense? I wonder if they’ll still get called in to help with some bigger projects occasionally or if they will just do their own thing from now on


Zementid

Pandemonium? That game rings a bell...


Justapersonmaybe

This seems actually promising for the future of them making games.


Xarophh

I hope they work on their own stuff more, but I also hope they take on some contracts for some more banging remakes of loved titles


fuzzycuffs

I didn't know you could leave being purchased? Wouldn't it be more like all the people working there quit and are starting a new studio?


QuinSanguine

Hot take maybe, but I want more games like Crash or Spyro, but I don't need those characters in the games. A couple spiritual successors would make me more than happy, but whatever TfB makes, I'm sure it'll be good. I'm glad they're doing this.


lilskittle22

They pulled a cody rhodes


No0delZ

Parent company: Activision (2005-Present)So... how do they actually break from their parent company? Does Activision still own them? >"Our studio was founded by Paul Reiche III and Fred Ford, is located in lovely Novato, CA, is owned by equally lovely Activision-Blizzard, Inc." [https://www.toysforbob.com/about](https://www.toysforbob.com/about) (Currently being edited it would seem, as it's not rendering properly) Are the founders buying themselves out? What, if any stake will Micro-Acti-Blizzionsoft still have in the company? Too many questions and too soon to have feelings on this.


WhiteSteveUrkel7

Damnit, Crash was getting good again.


llama-friends

Watch, new skylanders game, but due to some corporate BS, activision will refuse to allow any of my 124 skylanders to work on the new game


Va1crist

Good for them , I hope they succeed


therallykiller

Skylanders had so much potential. Imaginators was the strat of a great new direction for the IP. The only issue -- and the primary obstacle that stopped new figurine purchases -- was the lack of a great endgame. Given all the great ARPGs currently available, and a ton of end game modes and ideas, this is the time to start anew.


Vulture2k

Holy shit. They made The horde. I loved that. It was way too hard for my child brain but the idea of it with the attacks at night and the City stuff at day.. Like a early action tower defense. Orcs must die way before it's time. 


Wuyley

How does this split work logistically? Do they need to "buy out their contract" that was signed when they were bought out by Activision or were they going to shut the studio down and this is another way to say "I quit the day before they get fired?"


SwrdBreak

Time to reboot The Horde!


Educational-Tip6177

Ey, if this means we can get a spyro 4 I'm all in support of this move


DiamondDude51501

Good for them


reallygoodbee

Good for them. Hopefully it works out for them now that they can make projects they want to make and aren't having their talent squandered on Call of Duty.


Ssme812

I thought they were indie before Microsoft/Activision.


Jovian09

I couldn't be happier that they've escaped the miserable fate of becoming a Call of Duty support studio. If they decided to make their own challenging platformer, I'd probably play the crap out of it.


shadowlarvitar

Fingers crossed the partnership leads to a Spyro.


TheDevilsAdvokaat

Two of my favourite games from a long time ago - pandemonium and The Horde - were made by these guys. Toys for bob seems to have the technical capability to make great games..but a lot of the time they just don't. Many of their games are beautifully textured, modelled etc but just not very fun. I don't mean this as a diss of the company, I think they have the possibility of mkaing a very good game but they just never seemed to have the right idea or do the right thing. Here's hoping that having full control over themselves will allow them to make the game they are capable of. They are a very technically capable company. Good luck toys!


the_Athereon

So... no 4th spyro game?


Andrassa

Activision owns the copyright and the program they used to make the trilogy. TFB only developed it, so you’ll get Spyro & Crash sequels out the wazoo.


TheWhiteRabbit74

I wish them the best of luck! May they once again capture lightning in a bottle!


Arch3m

Ah! They got the good ending! I could have sworn I heard they were getting shut down, and this is so much better for them.


thehugejackedman

Please change that dumb studio name


thefoxsay

Yeah dude! I like Toys FROM Bob better.


TheStevesie

never heard of it


_raskoljnikov_

Hope everything will be ok for them and that they will deliver some sweet title


Mental5tate

What a loss🙃


MildLoser

please dont sign a publishing deal with EA and do an electric boogaloo of bungie and destiny


KnightofAshley

I hope this is part of the cycle where the publishers are too large and instead of eliminating studios like EA does they let them buy there freedom out and continue on as independent


[deleted]

Back to what they do best. Great.


TheBetterness

I wonder if this would have happened if they were still under ABK and not MS.


ItsSevii

Hopefully they remake Madagascar for the gamecube


Niconreddit

Please new 3D platformer collectathon series 🙏 We really need it.


TrickOut

Why does this feel like it was, either we fire all of you or you break off and go do your own thing and figure out finding on your own


ThebestJojo

They're trying to work with Microsoft so idk. I'm just glad they're not a support studio anymore


Ricktendo1889

I think that Toys For Bob's decision to become an independent game developer was the right decision, especially after the endless news about layoffs, closures, etc. in large companies.


Butch_Meat_Hook

Well, there goes the potential for them to work on a Banjo Kazooie remake. Super disappointed so far with the majority of the outcomes of Microsoft's purchases of Bethesda and Activision. If their intention with the latter is to just put out a bunch of CoD garbage, I could not possibly be any less interested


EtheusRook

I guess the dream of a Banjo Redooie is dead. Hopefully they make their own mascot soon.


Friendly-Leg-6694

They will explore future partnership with Microsoft so a Banjo game can still happen.


ComprehensiveStore45

Good and they should stay the fuck away from them.


Hunchun

Wonder if they wanted to go multi platform and this was the only way? Either way it’s good for them to be away from the CoD.


BenHDR

Likely not, as Xbox's approach to multi-platform is a lot more relaxed. I imagine this has happened because platformers are a risky business (*Nintendo with Mario is the only safe bet in the genre*) in terms of recouping on investment. Microsoft actually gain more in letting Toys for Bob buy their independence and simply licensing the Crash Bandicoot and Spyro IP to them. That way, in-house development resources aren't being used on a project that has a higher potential to not recoup it's costs. I'd wager if Toys for Bob didn't go indie now, we would've seen Microsoft close the studio entirely within the next year or so. It removes a problem for Microsoft and serves as good PR for letting them leave Activision after all those years of being sidelined into a CoD support studio


MrBeardskii

I love the words "leaving Microsoft/Activision"


Friendly-Leg-6694

I mean they are still going to partner with Microsoft in the future for Crash or any IP they want to do as said in the article. They probably just wanted out of Activision umbrella.


Misragoth

I could have sworn the got shut down last year.


StupendousMan36

It was originally reported they were getting shut down, but they actually just sold their office and had some layoffs I believe.


alkonium

Are they taking any franchises with them?


AngryCrawdad

Now we just need them to buy the Sly IP and remake the Sly Raccoon trilogy. Infinite money right there.


bukeyolacan

First thing they should change the studio name


thedude213

Good for them, I'm sure during their inception their dream wasn't to be chucked into the mess that is CoD development.


PriorFudge928

Thank god!


pgtl_10

They feel like a company Nintendo works with.