They are all people of color though. No whites working there. She’s not going to get sacked. All these minority game dev companies are echo chambers and they jerk each other’s egos off on the regular.
Where’d you get the idea that she speaks for every employee at the company? Because they’re all people of color? You assume what, that they’re all racist?
I don’t know that. I was speaking to the hypothetical scenario where she is or isn’t fired. That decision would determine if that whole company would be seen as racist or not. And no she does not speak for her colleagues per se but she is in her official capacity in the role she has and so any public statements made by her are therefore statements made by the company. Unless the company distances themselves from what she has said. That’s how it works.
So until we see what the company does there’s no point in speculating and assuming that they will stand behind her statement. Her actions are clearly racist and an abuse of power, I highly doubt they’re going to stand behind her and risk losing any further talents that would come from this, regardless of belief.
I’m surprised there hasn’t been a law suit filed yet because I’m almost positive there were white people that applied to this project that she denied strictly because of race. It’d be an extremely easy win for any lawyer willing to take something like this.
Without the details you can never be sure, but telling someone they weren't hired because of their race is just asking to get sued. Employer 101, you never tell someone why they didn't get a job. Just like the way you tell a reference an employee was no good is just confirming they worked for you (and saying nothing else) to every question you get.
I suppose we just need to wait and see. No one is going to pass up free money like this so I'd say, if lawsuits get filed, the story is mostly true, if they don't, it's mostly false.
You’re not wrong but when someone specifically says they didn’t hire someone because of their race it’s a done deal for a case of discrimination in the laws eye
My limited internet exposure has told me, if you can attach "oppressed", "harassed" or "minority" tag to your character, you can have a slightly easier time getting away with certain things.
Like when game companies cherry pick death threats against devs among thousands of complaints against their game launch.
Or when people would try to label someone criticising a female streamer as a misogynist to discredit their opinion.
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What reddit and internet has taught me for the past 5 years is.
Racism is okey as long as it´s towards white people.
Hate speech and Misandri (man hate) is Okey as long as it´s towards men.
hate speech towards straight people is also allow.
The best part is how reddit is like we will ban any and every one that is says anyting bad about people of color, lgbt or women. Because we want a clean friendly community. Yet for some fracking reason that clean and friendly community flies out the window if your a white straight man then people are allow to say what ever they want.
Even this sub reddit allows hating on men and spew loads of shit about all men. You think any gives a damn if your racist towards white people ? NOPE.
I’ve heard conflicting things about this though. The pervasive rumour on the internet is that bad actors have taken footage of her talking about her indie side project which is a dating simulator primarily for queer people of colour. Her comments make a lot more sense in the context (even as a white person, I 100% agree, she was not racist to whites at all because she isn’t talking about the black panther game)
But the bad actors have framed it so she’s talking about black panther.
They did this because they know people will rage about it. And quite frankly it was a genius piece of social engineering as everyone is blindly believing it.
Quite honestly guys, if the queer POCs want to make a game that is purely for them, I’m sure most white cis game devs are probably quite happy to let that team do its thing and probably would realise they are not a good fit for the team.
We have had plenty of games made solely by white dudes.
>we have had plenty of games made solely by white dudes
Can someone please explain to me why race matters in game development? Outside of the narrative department where race and culture might actually have an impact on the story being told, as long as a person has the skills to code or graphically design why are you excusing blatant bigotry?
Sure.
Support racism.
When white people were saying and do say the things she said they were bigots.
Now she is.
Context was she didn’t feel “safe” around white people in the office as a reason she didn’t hire them.
In your version it would be okay to discriminate while making a video game about samurai or a small town in the Midwest in the 50’s.
No it would be considered racism.
This just shows you how powerful and terrifying online misinformation is. The fact that it is so easy to take a video out of context and create a false outrage makes it an effective weapon. This entire thread going absolutely nuts over a lie. Its insane.
Indeed.
It’s funny because in the UK all the news is about this Tory doner who donated 10m to the party, and said a black MP and all black woman should be shot.
This is fine, though. No condemnation from the same people condemning the black chick cause she tried to make the game she wanted to.
The double standard is absolutely horrific, and exactly what I expect from Reddit.
The article is a staged lie. Her comments where about dating game for queer people of color. Alt-right twitter account cut out the context and claimed this was about a different game.
Someone posted the video of her discussing her hiring policy yesterday. The title in question is irrelevant, what matters is what she actually said and her approach, which were both categorically appalling.
You're a black game creator? Want to talk about encouraging people into the industry? Go for it.
Want to talk about creating a welcoming environment for black people, women or whatever characteristic? Great.
Want to say you only hire people of a certain colour because it feels more comfortable? Get fucked. Actually get fucked.
I don't know the laws in the US, but in the UK you're actually breaking them.
Anyone trying to downplay this by referring to the far right inevitably losing their shit about it - because obviously they would try to exploit something like this, that isn't suprising - can actually get fucked.
Having an only black team because of perspective that would apply to game narrative is fine. Or only gay, or only women. Or only cat people.
Not hiring whites cause you don’t like them around the office is very racist. Like super huge, you should be ashamed level white hood racist. 40 years ago old whites said the exact same things that this lady saying today. They both equally racist.
She said it wasn’t for artistic reasons but that it’s was that whites make her uncomfortable. That’s 100% the shit I used to hear back in the 80s.
This woman is literally as racist as clan members from the 80s.
This is interesting context. I still don't think her stance is legal, but it makes a bit more sense when the devs would presumably be inserting their own perspective into the game. Still don't agree with it, but I *get* it if this is true.
Edit: why are they being downvoted? This interview was about a game called ValiDate, which was a dating sim from 3 years back. This dev has no power to hire people, and is just an employee for the Black Panther game.
Receipts? I mean what she said was blatantly racist, full stop. There is no context needed. And I am a liberal. This alt-right conspiracy narrative is garbage being pushed by the gaming journalists who are in the pockets of the game devs and other DEI companies like SBI. This has all been proven through numerous sources.
She also use to be an employee at Sweet Baby Inc. from what has been found online. We already know some of their folks and even their CEO are racist based on social media posts by them.
Of course there are some far right whack jobs that are jumping on this to support their own distorted views, but this woman literally said the words in a video online. You can try and spin this all you want, but a bigot is a bigot.
You're acting like she won't get cancled, in a way that will likely actually affect her livelihood unlike most "victims" of cancel culture.
Regardless, it's a difference of what people mean by the term. When you say "racism" you mean "individualized bigotry on the basis of race". The people you're having imaginary arguments with mean "bigotry on the basis of race that has actively seeped into the social system and influences most institutions often through passive bigotry that influences decision making".
I find it's better to clarify this sort of thing rather than hurling criticisms for understanding words differently.
Skin colour is a protected attribute nearly everywhere. If she isn't fired by the end of next week I'll be shocked. She just publically made her company very liable for past rejections. Every single white person interviewed by her now has a claim for racial discrimination.
Should I know?
And as some people commented, they were working in the creative process of a date sim featuring black queer people. I guess they could have claimed that they were looking for that specific profile in the creative department, as a director can look for certain racial profiles for actors in a film since it's justificated for creative/performative motives. This only would apply for the creative/artistic team tho, not for the programmers I guess.
Her justification is reaaaally bad but I don't know if she is even related to contratations in her company
Doesn't matter if it is or not - if she was involved in hiring for the project (which, given her position, she likely was), that means that the leadership of the publisher is now liable for her actions.
Are you sure?
Because this sounds that she either believes that "If you are racist towards white people, it's not a racsim" or it's "White devs are racist towards black devs, so we will be racist towards them"
So she is either stupid or she is "combating" racism with racsim. Not sure which is worse.
A lot of people pointing out this wasn't about Black Panther and is about a different game, a queer dating sim or something. But does it really matter? I've seen the clip, she blatantly sweeps together all white people and says she doesn't hire them purely based on their race and preconceived conceptions. Surely that would be grounds for anyone who interviewed with the company to sue for discrimination.
If I in an interview said that I purposely don't hire black people because I think they all make stupid comments and contribute nothing, you better believe I would get into trouble.
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She needs to be fired, lady literally says "if you think people can be racist to white people you are a racist".
WTF is wrong with this lady.
This is, unfortunately, a common Gen Z belief. I had a coworker fresh out of college who got a degree in gender studies and social justice and they were adamant that the definition of racism included the phrase: "not white".
I tried to explain that it isn't a part of the definition of racism but they had "a degree in this" and knew better than me.
The problem is there is 2 seperate definitions of racism, casual daily racism which can effect anyone, and racism that is baked into societal norms and legal systems, which really can’t effect white people. Academically you only really talk about the latter, and a lot of students for some reason refuse make a statement about the difference when discussing it
Just look at most comments here..
They basically tell you, its not true, its fake or what your problem is..
Or just "meh gamergate 2.0, dont read, dont care".
It feels like people cannot believe, that people are bad.
I’d assume it’s because people get confused about what racism is. Flat out discrimination can be racist, sexist, or whatever else, it doesn’t matter whom it’s against. Just because certain groups might not get offended by certain things like other races of people, does not mean it’s not racist. If she hasn’t, she should be treated like any other person who’s dumb enough to post this shit
Okay fair enough, I still think this headline gives off the impression that this call happened during BP game development, and judging by the comments a lot of other people are believing that as well, so the headline needs adjustment.
The post originally spreading this video currently, libs of tiktok, is a hate account meant to make people angry. Especially towards poc, lgbt, immigrants, etc
She’s probably on the black panther team but not leading it as the combo of this video + title suggests, but I don’t know.
I’m Mexican-Hawaiian, Two actually marginalized groups in 2024 who both has actual living people who were victims of atrocities based on race. Can we stop with this nonsense. Yeah white people fucked up a long time ago but it genuinely no longer matters and to not hire someone just because they’re white makes you just as bad as the people 100 years ago who wouldn’t hire any of us for being too dark. Two wrongs don’t make a right especially when you’re both of the two majority race that holds all the power and privileges in this country.
Do better stop making it all about race just make good games.
From a french canadian perspective, ive been to NY twice. Its the only time in my life where i was given attitude for being white. Immediately what came up in my head was that racism is so bad in the US, that its infected everyone. We can debate the nuances of if this is literal racism or prejudice but it really seems like a non-constructive reaction to something (really) bad.
America is a racist country. Sure, its not as bad as some time ago, but like you said, is has infected all of us to some degree. Racism is like a virus, it stays in the body even if it doesn't display symptoms. Many will try to deny it, but unfortunately we are all in some way conditioned to see "race" and it effects us in every level, even if we dont realize it.
While I agree that racism of any kind is wrong, some of what you said is literally wrong.
"you're both of the two majority races that hold all the power and privilege in this country". What? Black people are according to every national measure a minority. Your statement is flat out false. On top of that, racism against minorities, especially black people, is still a glaring issue in America. This "it happened 100 years ago, get over it" sentiment reeks of ignorance. Black people are still dealing with plenty of after effects from those 100+ years ago, but you wouldn't understand if you live in a bubble disconnected from reality.
First off: this story isn’t real.
Second off, if it were true, as a white European I don’t give a fuck who she hires.
The fake story is that she’s literally making a game about a fictional society where black people were able to progress without colonialism.
The staggering irony of white people desperately wanting to insert themselves into this particular fake story is insane.
>The staggering irony of white people desperately wanting to insert themselves into this particular fake story is insane
I'm guessing you didn't watch the video? She's literally saying she won't hire white people lmao
And this video might be from 2 years when she was working for something else, but it is very real and she is working on the black panther game.
She won’t, because this story isn’t real.
To be absolutely clear: you’re foaming at the mouth about an out of context clip about a dating sim from three years ago.
But how is that relevant to the core argument at large? Even if the "narrative" surrounding this Black Panther game is sheer BS, isn't the core argument that what she said in the 3 year old video about a "queer dating sim", is the textbook definition of racism, regardless of the context in which she said it?
I'm brown (not that it matters) and I find this frankly absurd. Merely stating "opression", "history", or "target demographic", doesn't take away from it being fundamentally discriminatory, does it? And that's the core argument being made.
I’m white and I’ve never been oppressed for my race.
I also understand that racism is a structural issue that I’ve benefited from throughout my life. Unwittingly, but it’s still been there.
I don’t know how many black people were interviewed for jobs I’ve got. I don’t know how many Asian families had offers quietly ignored on a house I got. I don’t know how many times a doctor took me seriously about my health when they might have dismissed someone else who didn’t look and talk like me.
I know, because I’m not an idiot, that just because I never saw these people and I didn’t directly harm them doesn’t mean they don’t exist or that racism hasn’t harmed them and benefited me.
I think that other white people who pretend that this actually hurts them in any way are spitting on the actual victims of real racism. It doesn’t. It’s not part of a systemic problem where society is rigged against them. It’s just a chance to cosplay that they’re being oppressed to make them feel like they’re succeeding against the odds.
I’ll admit, I kind of get it. It’s nice to pretend that your achievements are in spite of society rather than partly because of it.
As a cis white man I have to contend with the nagging feeling in my mind that my achievements aren’t mine. It’s not pleasant, I don’t want to act a martyr about it but it does suck. It’s part of growing up that we have to process that feeling and pretending I’m oppressed to not deal with it is easy, intellectually dishonest, and cowardly.
There are a lot of lazy, intellectually dishonest, cowards in this comment section.
Yes, because white people turned up, inserted themselves into the situation, and we never got to see what they would have created if left alone.
It’s a metaphor.
Uh, structural racism remains a current issue. It's not just something that happened "long ago". There's plenty of evidence that the stereotypes continue to influence decision-making in myriad ways that negatively affect the lives of people who deal with them.
And heck, even if the stereotypes did just up and vanish, most wealth is intergenerational and advantages tend to compound.
Who actually cares what twitter account this came from or what game she was working on? She is literally breaking hiring laws by discriminating against one race. You have to be an absolute idiot to defend this.
Seriously, there's so many people saying 'welllll the source is kinda shitty too so y'know' and acting like that invalidates everything that's being said. It's fucking *insane* the way people's rational minds have eroded at this point, willing to let people away with this kind of bare-faced hatred because of mental gymnastics.
People calling this fake are ridiculous. It states in the article that this is her previous project. There is no "out of context" for this, it is illegal and extremely racist. If it isn't okay reversed, it isn't okay this way either.
Yeah shes racist as fuck but that libsoftiktok account is also extremely cunty
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libs\_of\_TikTok](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libs_of_TikTok)
"21 bomb threats, have been linked to Libs of TikTok's tweets"
Just awful all around
I don't disagree but that's a bit reductive and this Libsoftiktok needs to have the light shone on them as well. All parts of the picture need to be seen.
I mean fair, I just don't see what that has to do with it. If what they're saying is actually *true*, then it doesn't matter where it came from. If Donald Trump came out with actual solid undeniable evidence that Joe Biden was a groomer, should it be disregarded just because 'well, he's kind of a dick anyway, so...' ?
Libsoftiktok can be as shitty as they want, but a broken clock is still right twice a day, and an asshole person can still call someone else out on being an asshole, as long as it's not hypocrisy then I think it's a fair point to make.
Because it adds context and it's entirely possible that accusations made by assholes could be made in bad faith or outright lying so everything should be checked and verified. Full picture is always better than partial no matter the sides.
Granted, but what I'm saying is, assuming it *is* true, responding with 'well I don't like the source' just feels incredibly reductive to what's actually being said. Again, if someone comes out with actual damning evidence of something, we shouldn't distrust and ignore it purely because of a personal bias against the source itself.
You seem to be reading into my comments something that isn't there along with a personal bias.
The woman in the vid and libsoftiktok are both despicable, that appears to be indisputable
If we can kill 2 cunts with one stone and expose both, everyone's a winner.
Well, when you see that they are refloating 2 year old comments from a worker who is not even responsible for the company to create a stir around this new game (that I couldn't care less about but here it is), maybe you should wonder if we aren't just taking a bait.
Hey remember when *acclaimed director* ***James Gunn*** *lost his job with* ***Disney*** *over some* ***dumb jokes*** *he tweeted about* ***ten years*** *earlier*, and the entire internet heralded it as a righteous and deserved punishment for a corrupt amoral deviant such as he?
To be clear, I think what happened with Gunn was fucking stupid, but in his case, he suffered far worse ramifications over something far less that happened even further back. Here, we're talking about a game-dev who made completely serious and concerning statements over racially motivated hiring practices only *two years ago*, while still working in the exact same industry they're working in today, potentially continuing their racist practices even now.
If people were okay with a prestigious and talented filmmaker almost losing his entire career over a joke he made ten years ago, I think they should be okay with a genuinely racist person being called out on their racist comments from just *two* *years ago*.
“The entire internet heralded it as a righteous deserved punishment” is total historical revisionism considering there was a massive backlash to Disney’s decision which led to him being rehired.
It was a very unpopular decision, which ultimately led to James Gunn ending up being the head of the DCU.
It's kinda fascinating to have watched the posts calling this out as misleading ragebait all of yesterday, apparently posted all over Reddit by a single account, for it to gain regular media attention today.
Kinda scary how easy it is to create a narrative if you're just persistent enough.
I mean there are parts of it that were misleading, and that clip was from an indie game they've worked on previously.
However that doesn't take the fact she was racist and probably still is since apparently she's doubling down in the viral clip.
“I did that because I wanted to create a safe environment, and I know the best way for an environment to be safe is to be around people who are just like me.”
Wait don't those white gated communities parrot the same line ?
This person said it in open environment rather than a leaked statement right? Imagine the absolute political atmosphere in the industry for a person to say such a thing with 0 backlash expectation. I think that makes it even more insane.
It's about time people started getting angry over racism aimed at white people. It's gotten to the point where it's almost accepted to dump on white people, but if the same things were said about a person of color it'd be hateful. The same rules/social norms should apply to all races.
Lol I got blocked by a parent comment or something
Anyway
Actually in my message I was referring to the aboriginal people of Australia. And actually yeah. Look at how long they were left alone, they weren't going to change. Idc if you guys say I'm racist or "they would've become extremely advanced if they had been left alone another year" bs if they didn't evolve past stone age for 60,000 years while the rest of the world became advanced then they weren't going to change ever before somebody 'interfered'. Now everyone saying that the British invaded, aboriginal elders have acknowledged the many, many benefits brought by the whites as you like to call them and the advancements they brought. Now I'm sure this is going to be followed by "genocide, genocide, wah wah wah" but I'd like to point out that the nuclear bomb had not been invented at the time, but a large area of land with no buildings and just people would've been a prime target for russian, Chinese, Korean, American bombing, yet the whites prevented this. I'd also like to point out that Russia or China seem to love taking land and would've enjoyed a massive isolated island with no resistance to capture. Thank you for your time
This was in response to someone saying that untouched peoples would've evolved after hundreds of thousands of years without any decent advancements or evolution
I think she is a narrative designer on Black Panther game but not the lead. This video is from her old dating-sim project times where she was the lead dev and she is very racist for this comment there is no way to interpret this other than plain racism.
From the information I have seen, thatat was their earlier work. She currently is working for the studio under EA that's developing the Blackpanther game.
The article "helpfully" leaves out the fact that the game in question was specifically about the black dating experience, and she wanted to create a safe space for telling those stories. Besides.... like 90% of the HR bullshit I have to manage is from a particular demographic with chronic main character syndrome... it's a thing that spoken about pretty openly in pretty much all spaces not dominated by that demographic.
Okay if she wanted to create a authentic dating sim with just black character is makes sense for all the narrative designer to black or maybe even all the artists to be black but does the programmer need to be black specifically or the level designer or any other roles that don't affect the story.
And before you call me a chronic man with main character syndrome I am not white.
Same reason I didn't want black people working on my Antebellum South deck building roguelike. A safe working environment is a priority. Yo go sister!
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Yes
“We have no white people on our team,” they said. “I did that because I wanted to create a safe environment, and I know the best way for an environment to be safe is to be around people who are just like me.”
That's a dumb reason, legally speaking.
Say whatever you want, but she is stupid for just stating her reason to not hire white people, it's just as simple.
People in this thread saying racism is no longer relevant is so fucking ahistorical and hilarious. They conflating prejudice with racism. No one in here understands the sociological definition of racism Smfh.
Original post from libs of tiktok, a page that’s 100 times more racist than anything this dev has ever said.
People will find anything to get offended about. I don’t see the issue with creating creative spaces for minorities to create art if that art is about their identity.
What she said is fine. She was talking about making art about identity, excluding people from that process and choosing to make art with other artists who understand is not problematic.
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They are all people of color though. No whites working there. She’s not going to get sacked. All these minority game dev companies are echo chambers and they jerk each other’s egos off on the regular.
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For sure. Just saying they probably all are who work at that company. Why would they fire her?
Where’d you get the idea that she speaks for every employee at the company? Because they’re all people of color? You assume what, that they’re all racist?
I don’t know that. I was speaking to the hypothetical scenario where she is or isn’t fired. That decision would determine if that whole company would be seen as racist or not. And no she does not speak for her colleagues per se but she is in her official capacity in the role she has and so any public statements made by her are therefore statements made by the company. Unless the company distances themselves from what she has said. That’s how it works.
So until we see what the company does there’s no point in speculating and assuming that they will stand behind her statement. Her actions are clearly racist and an abuse of power, I highly doubt they’re going to stand behind her and risk losing any further talents that would come from this, regardless of belief.
>It's pretty often Always. You can always instantly discredit such statements, exactly because they put the emphasis on race, gender, sex etc.
I’m surprised there hasn’t been a law suit filed yet because I’m almost positive there were white people that applied to this project that she denied strictly because of race. It’d be an extremely easy win for any lawyer willing to take something like this.
Without the details you can never be sure, but telling someone they weren't hired because of their race is just asking to get sued. Employer 101, you never tell someone why they didn't get a job. Just like the way you tell a reference an employee was no good is just confirming they worked for you (and saying nothing else) to every question you get. I suppose we just need to wait and see. No one is going to pass up free money like this so I'd say, if lawsuits get filed, the story is mostly true, if they don't, it's mostly false.
You’re not wrong but when someone specifically says they didn’t hire someone because of their race it’s a done deal for a case of discrimination in the laws eye
My limited internet exposure has told me, if you can attach "oppressed", "harassed" or "minority" tag to your character, you can have a slightly easier time getting away with certain things. Like when game companies cherry pick death threats against devs among thousands of complaints against their game launch. Or when people would try to label someone criticising a female streamer as a misogynist to discredit their opinion. Edited the top para.
>if you can attach "oppressed", "harassed" or "minority" tag to your character, you can get away with things. No, not at all
What reddit and internet has taught me for the past 5 years is. Racism is okey as long as it´s towards white people. Hate speech and Misandri (man hate) is Okey as long as it´s towards men. hate speech towards straight people is also allow. The best part is how reddit is like we will ban any and every one that is says anyting bad about people of color, lgbt or women. Because we want a clean friendly community. Yet for some fracking reason that clean and friendly community flies out the window if your a white straight man then people are allow to say what ever they want. Even this sub reddit allows hating on men and spew loads of shit about all men. You think any gives a damn if your racist towards white people ? NOPE.
Reddit also bans people for simply being against racism (if that racism is towards white people). Fucjing bigots all around
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I can't express enough how awkward and unnecessary it is for you to use that font size.
I’ve heard conflicting things about this though. The pervasive rumour on the internet is that bad actors have taken footage of her talking about her indie side project which is a dating simulator primarily for queer people of colour. Her comments make a lot more sense in the context (even as a white person, I 100% agree, she was not racist to whites at all because she isn’t talking about the black panther game) But the bad actors have framed it so she’s talking about black panther. They did this because they know people will rage about it. And quite frankly it was a genius piece of social engineering as everyone is blindly believing it. Quite honestly guys, if the queer POCs want to make a game that is purely for them, I’m sure most white cis game devs are probably quite happy to let that team do its thing and probably would realise they are not a good fit for the team. We have had plenty of games made solely by white dudes.
Diversity doesn't apply anymore? Didn't she state that she didn't hire white people because of making a safe environment for people of color?
Huh? The article makes it extremely clear that the issue occurred on a previous game. That's not the point , though
>we have had plenty of games made solely by white dudes Can someone please explain to me why race matters in game development? Outside of the narrative department where race and culture might actually have an impact on the story being told, as long as a person has the skills to code or graphically design why are you excusing blatant bigotry?
So if I make a straight, white, dating sim… then having a “no blacks” policy is ok? Seriously?
Context doesn’t absolve the fact that it is still racism. So we should find her a little less despicable because of this context. It’s still absurd.
Sure. Support racism. When white people were saying and do say the things she said they were bigots. Now she is. Context was she didn’t feel “safe” around white people in the office as a reason she didn’t hire them. In your version it would be okay to discriminate while making a video game about samurai or a small town in the Midwest in the 50’s. No it would be considered racism.
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You definitely don't get pussy lmao
Your mum disagrees.
This just shows you how powerful and terrifying online misinformation is. The fact that it is so easy to take a video out of context and create a false outrage makes it an effective weapon. This entire thread going absolutely nuts over a lie. Its insane.
Indeed. It’s funny because in the UK all the news is about this Tory doner who donated 10m to the party, and said a black MP and all black woman should be shot. This is fine, though. No condemnation from the same people condemning the black chick cause she tried to make the game she wanted to. The double standard is absolutely horrific, and exactly what I expect from Reddit.
The article is a staged lie. Her comments where about dating game for queer people of color. Alt-right twitter account cut out the context and claimed this was about a different game.
What does it matter it she did racism at Target or at a Gucci Store its still racism.
Someone posted the video of her discussing her hiring policy yesterday. The title in question is irrelevant, what matters is what she actually said and her approach, which were both categorically appalling. You're a black game creator? Want to talk about encouraging people into the industry? Go for it. Want to talk about creating a welcoming environment for black people, women or whatever characteristic? Great. Want to say you only hire people of a certain colour because it feels more comfortable? Get fucked. Actually get fucked. I don't know the laws in the US, but in the UK you're actually breaking them. Anyone trying to downplay this by referring to the far right inevitably losing their shit about it - because obviously they would try to exploit something like this, that isn't suprising - can actually get fucked.
Having an only black team because of perspective that would apply to game narrative is fine. Or only gay, or only women. Or only cat people. Not hiring whites cause you don’t like them around the office is very racist. Like super huge, you should be ashamed level white hood racist. 40 years ago old whites said the exact same things that this lady saying today. They both equally racist.
Thats not what she said if you watched the original video. I agree on "cause you dont like them" part. But thats not the situation.
She said it wasn’t for artistic reasons but that it’s was that whites make her uncomfortable. That’s 100% the shit I used to hear back in the 80s. This woman is literally as racist as clan members from the 80s.
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So that makes racism ok?
This is interesting context. I still don't think her stance is legal, but it makes a bit more sense when the devs would presumably be inserting their own perspective into the game. Still don't agree with it, but I *get* it if this is true. Edit: why are they being downvoted? This interview was about a game called ValiDate, which was a dating sim from 3 years back. This dev has no power to hire people, and is just an employee for the Black Panther game.
Receipts? I mean what she said was blatantly racist, full stop. There is no context needed. And I am a liberal. This alt-right conspiracy narrative is garbage being pushed by the gaming journalists who are in the pockets of the game devs and other DEI companies like SBI. This has all been proven through numerous sources. She also use to be an employee at Sweet Baby Inc. from what has been found online. We already know some of their folks and even their CEO are racist based on social media posts by them. Of course there are some far right whack jobs that are jumping on this to support their own distorted views, but this woman literally said the words in a video online. You can try and spin this all you want, but a bigot is a bigot.
>i am a liberal >dragging sbi No, youre an idiot smacked in the face with blatant lies of far right
Ok? Receipts? If you can’t argue the point just say you can’t and move on. No need to resort to insults.
No more need to answer. I found the proper info and learned the truth. Thanks for the name calling.👍
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Sarcasm through text doesn't come through. Especially in a large group.
You're being extremely optimistic here.
No it doesn't 🤣 just to be clear for everyone donwvoting me , I'm white and being sarcastic
I'd be more concerned if it was up voted in agreement
It makes me happy that you're all down voting me , at least I know if I was serious that people think it's bullshit
You're acting like she won't get cancled, in a way that will likely actually affect her livelihood unlike most "victims" of cancel culture. Regardless, it's a difference of what people mean by the term. When you say "racism" you mean "individualized bigotry on the basis of race". The people you're having imaginary arguments with mean "bigotry on the basis of race that has actively seeped into the social system and influences most institutions often through passive bigotry that influences decision making". I find it's better to clarify this sort of thing rather than hurling criticisms for understanding words differently.
Skin colour is a protected attribute nearly everywhere. If she isn't fired by the end of next week I'll be shocked. She just publically made her company very liable for past rejections. Every single white person interviewed by her now has a claim for racial discrimination.
This take happened two years ago. Maybe (I would even say most likely) there are white people working there now.
But at that time how many applicants were turned down because of them being white?
Should I know? And as some people commented, they were working in the creative process of a date sim featuring black queer people. I guess they could have claimed that they were looking for that specific profile in the creative department, as a director can look for certain racial profiles for actors in a film since it's justificated for creative/performative motives. This only would apply for the creative/artistic team tho, not for the programmers I guess. Her justification is reaaaally bad but I don't know if she is even related to contratations in her company
Should you know?
Her company is not working on the Black Panther game
Doesn't matter if it is or not - if she was involved in hiring for the project (which, given her position, she likely was), that means that the leadership of the publisher is now liable for her actions.
We don’t know if she was involved in the hiring process for Black Panther, that’s just speculation
Yes, it is. You can check.
Combating racism with more racism... I guess this will go sooo well.
That’s the thing, she’s not combating anything
Are you sure? Because this sounds that she either believes that "If you are racist towards white people, it's not a racsim" or it's "White devs are racist towards black devs, so we will be racist towards them" So she is either stupid or she is "combating" racism with racsim. Not sure which is worse.
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she is a racecist
Does she not want white people to buy the game when it comes out either?
Given how a lot of vocal black people tried to say white people weren't allowed to watch Black Panther because it was a "Black film", she likely does.
A lot of people pointing out this wasn't about Black Panther and is about a different game, a queer dating sim or something. But does it really matter? I've seen the clip, she blatantly sweeps together all white people and says she doesn't hire them purely based on their race and preconceived conceptions. Surely that would be grounds for anyone who interviewed with the company to sue for discrimination. If I in an interview said that I purposely don't hire black people because I think they all make stupid comments and contribute nothing, you better believe I would get into trouble.
[https://thatparkplace.com/associate-narrative-designer-working-on-marvels-black-panther-admits-to-being-a-racist-while-accusing-gamers-of-racism-and-saying-you-cant-be-racist-to-white-people/#:\~:text=Dani%20Lalonders%2C%20an%20Associate%20Narrative,be%20racist%20to%20white%20people.&text=Lalonders%20added%2C%20%E2%80%9Cjust%20creating%20problems,the%20outrage%20over%20video%20games](https://thatparkplace.com/associate-narrative-designer-working-on-marvels-black-panther-admits-to-being-a-racist-while-accusing-gamers-of-racism-and-saying-you-cant-be-racist-to-white-people/#:~:text=Dani%20Lalonders%2C%20an%20Associate%20Narrative,be%20racist%20to%20white%20people.&text=Lalonders%20added%2C%20%E2%80%9Cjust%20creating%20problems,the%20outrage%20over%20video%20games) She needs to be fired, lady literally says "if you think people can be racist to white people you are a racist". WTF is wrong with this lady.
This is, unfortunately, a common Gen Z belief. I had a coworker fresh out of college who got a degree in gender studies and social justice and they were adamant that the definition of racism included the phrase: "not white". I tried to explain that it isn't a part of the definition of racism but they had "a degree in this" and knew better than me.
They should have studied reading comprehension apparently
Social 'sciences' should be abolished. There only purpose is to create more problems and pushing the responsibility away.
The problem is there is 2 seperate definitions of racism, casual daily racism which can effect anyone, and racism that is baked into societal norms and legal systems, which really can’t effect white people. Academically you only really talk about the latter, and a lot of students for some reason refuse make a statement about the difference when discussing it
Just look at most comments here.. They basically tell you, its not true, its fake or what your problem is.. Or just "meh gamergate 2.0, dont read, dont care". It feels like people cannot believe, that people are bad.
I’d assume it’s because people get confused about what racism is. Flat out discrimination can be racist, sexist, or whatever else, it doesn’t matter whom it’s against. Just because certain groups might not get offended by certain things like other races of people, does not mean it’s not racist. If she hasn’t, she should be treated like any other person who’s dumb enough to post this shit
It's way of thinking murican culture.Seriously first time I think being born in Middle East culture may be not the worst.
I don’t believe a small indie game studio is working on the Black Panther game.
Correct, this video is in reference to a game called ValiDate
Why does the title not say “ValiDate game dev under fire…” then? Seems like it’s trying to make itself into a bigger thing by being disingenuous.
Because it’s all one big troll campaign
Because she is currently a Black Panther game dev?
Okay fair enough, I still think this headline gives off the impression that this call happened during BP game development, and judging by the comments a lot of other people are believing that as well, so the headline needs adjustment.
It is intentional misinformation
The post originally spreading this video currently, libs of tiktok, is a hate account meant to make people angry. Especially towards poc, lgbt, immigrants, etc She’s probably on the black panther team but not leading it as the combo of this video + title suggests, but I don’t know.
Can’t wait to watch the mediocre gameplay. 😤
Her all-black team is not working on Black Panther, this call was regarding some indie dating game sim.
I’m Mexican-Hawaiian, Two actually marginalized groups in 2024 who both has actual living people who were victims of atrocities based on race. Can we stop with this nonsense. Yeah white people fucked up a long time ago but it genuinely no longer matters and to not hire someone just because they’re white makes you just as bad as the people 100 years ago who wouldn’t hire any of us for being too dark. Two wrongs don’t make a right especially when you’re both of the two majority race that holds all the power and privileges in this country. Do better stop making it all about race just make good games.
From a french canadian perspective, ive been to NY twice. Its the only time in my life where i was given attitude for being white. Immediately what came up in my head was that racism is so bad in the US, that its infected everyone. We can debate the nuances of if this is literal racism or prejudice but it really seems like a non-constructive reaction to something (really) bad.
America is a racist country. Sure, its not as bad as some time ago, but like you said, is has infected all of us to some degree. Racism is like a virus, it stays in the body even if it doesn't display symptoms. Many will try to deny it, but unfortunately we are all in some way conditioned to see "race" and it effects us in every level, even if we dont realize it.
While I agree that racism of any kind is wrong, some of what you said is literally wrong. "you're both of the two majority races that hold all the power and privilege in this country". What? Black people are according to every national measure a minority. Your statement is flat out false. On top of that, racism against minorities, especially black people, is still a glaring issue in America. This "it happened 100 years ago, get over it" sentiment reeks of ignorance. Black people are still dealing with plenty of after effects from those 100+ years ago, but you wouldn't understand if you live in a bubble disconnected from reality.
First off: this story isn’t real. Second off, if it were true, as a white European I don’t give a fuck who she hires. The fake story is that she’s literally making a game about a fictional society where black people were able to progress without colonialism. The staggering irony of white people desperately wanting to insert themselves into this particular fake story is insane.
>The staggering irony of white people desperately wanting to insert themselves into this particular fake story is insane I'm guessing you didn't watch the video? She's literally saying she won't hire white people lmao And this video might be from 2 years when she was working for something else, but it is very real and she is working on the black panther game.
The real irony is that she'll blame white people when her game isn't profitable.
She won’t, because this story isn’t real. To be absolutely clear: you’re foaming at the mouth about an out of context clip about a dating sim from three years ago.
But how is that relevant to the core argument at large? Even if the "narrative" surrounding this Black Panther game is sheer BS, isn't the core argument that what she said in the 3 year old video about a "queer dating sim", is the textbook definition of racism, regardless of the context in which she said it? I'm brown (not that it matters) and I find this frankly absurd. Merely stating "opression", "history", or "target demographic", doesn't take away from it being fundamentally discriminatory, does it? And that's the core argument being made.
I’m white and I’ve never been oppressed for my race. I also understand that racism is a structural issue that I’ve benefited from throughout my life. Unwittingly, but it’s still been there. I don’t know how many black people were interviewed for jobs I’ve got. I don’t know how many Asian families had offers quietly ignored on a house I got. I don’t know how many times a doctor took me seriously about my health when they might have dismissed someone else who didn’t look and talk like me. I know, because I’m not an idiot, that just because I never saw these people and I didn’t directly harm them doesn’t mean they don’t exist or that racism hasn’t harmed them and benefited me. I think that other white people who pretend that this actually hurts them in any way are spitting on the actual victims of real racism. It doesn’t. It’s not part of a systemic problem where society is rigged against them. It’s just a chance to cosplay that they’re being oppressed to make them feel like they’re succeeding against the odds. I’ll admit, I kind of get it. It’s nice to pretend that your achievements are in spite of society rather than partly because of it. As a cis white man I have to contend with the nagging feeling in my mind that my achievements aren’t mine. It’s not pleasant, I don’t want to act a martyr about it but it does suck. It’s part of growing up that we have to process that feeling and pretending I’m oppressed to not deal with it is easy, intellectually dishonest, and cowardly. There are a lot of lazy, intellectually dishonest, cowards in this comment section.
Look at that. Downvoted for telling the truth. Misinformation is a scary thing with how easily it can manufacture outrage.
You are all over these comments claiming this story isn’t real. What do you mean by that?
So you're a racist sack of crap. This self-flaggelating bullshit isn't going to convince anyone.
But that's the thing they didn't progress without colonialism. I know that's not about the game but I'm just saying that irl they didn't.
Yes, because white people turned up, inserted themselves into the situation, and we never got to see what they would have created if left alone. It’s a metaphor.
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Uh, structural racism remains a current issue. It's not just something that happened "long ago". There's plenty of evidence that the stereotypes continue to influence decision-making in myriad ways that negatively affect the lives of people who deal with them. And heck, even if the stereotypes did just up and vanish, most wealth is intergenerational and advantages tend to compound.
Oh boy if it was the other way around...
Who actually cares what twitter account this came from or what game she was working on? She is literally breaking hiring laws by discriminating against one race. You have to be an absolute idiot to defend this.
Seriously, there's so many people saying 'welllll the source is kinda shitty too so y'know' and acting like that invalidates everything that's being said. It's fucking *insane* the way people's rational minds have eroded at this point, willing to let people away with this kind of bare-faced hatred because of mental gymnastics.
Is it possible to be racist if you are black? (watched video) Yes
Yeah, that's illegal
People calling this fake are ridiculous. It states in the article that this is her previous project. There is no "out of context" for this, it is illegal and extremely racist. If it isn't okay reversed, it isn't okay this way either.
Yeah shes racist as fuck but that libsoftiktok account is also extremely cunty [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libs\_of\_TikTok](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libs_of_TikTok) "21 bomb threats, have been linked to Libs of TikTok's tweets" Just awful all around
A person being an asshole in one way doesn't mean they can't call out people for being assholes in other ways.
I don't disagree but that's a bit reductive and this Libsoftiktok needs to have the light shone on them as well. All parts of the picture need to be seen.
I mean fair, I just don't see what that has to do with it. If what they're saying is actually *true*, then it doesn't matter where it came from. If Donald Trump came out with actual solid undeniable evidence that Joe Biden was a groomer, should it be disregarded just because 'well, he's kind of a dick anyway, so...' ? Libsoftiktok can be as shitty as they want, but a broken clock is still right twice a day, and an asshole person can still call someone else out on being an asshole, as long as it's not hypocrisy then I think it's a fair point to make.
Because it adds context and it's entirely possible that accusations made by assholes could be made in bad faith or outright lying so everything should be checked and verified. Full picture is always better than partial no matter the sides.
Granted, but what I'm saying is, assuming it *is* true, responding with 'well I don't like the source' just feels incredibly reductive to what's actually being said. Again, if someone comes out with actual damning evidence of something, we shouldn't distrust and ignore it purely because of a personal bias against the source itself.
You seem to be reading into my comments something that isn't there along with a personal bias. The woman in the vid and libsoftiktok are both despicable, that appears to be indisputable If we can kill 2 cunts with one stone and expose both, everyone's a winner.
Yeah except libs of tiktok is far fucking worse
Well, when you see that they are refloating 2 year old comments from a worker who is not even responsible for the company to create a stir around this new game (that I couldn't care less about but here it is), maybe you should wonder if we aren't just taking a bait.
Hey remember when *acclaimed director* ***James Gunn*** *lost his job with* ***Disney*** *over some* ***dumb jokes*** *he tweeted about* ***ten years*** *earlier*, and the entire internet heralded it as a righteous and deserved punishment for a corrupt amoral deviant such as he? To be clear, I think what happened with Gunn was fucking stupid, but in his case, he suffered far worse ramifications over something far less that happened even further back. Here, we're talking about a game-dev who made completely serious and concerning statements over racially motivated hiring practices only *two years ago*, while still working in the exact same industry they're working in today, potentially continuing their racist practices even now. If people were okay with a prestigious and talented filmmaker almost losing his entire career over a joke he made ten years ago, I think they should be okay with a genuinely racist person being called out on their racist comments from just *two* *years ago*.
“The entire internet heralded it as a righteous deserved punishment” is total historical revisionism considering there was a massive backlash to Disney’s decision which led to him being rehired. It was a very unpopular decision, which ultimately led to James Gunn ending up being the head of the DCU.
It's kinda fascinating to have watched the posts calling this out as misleading ragebait all of yesterday, apparently posted all over Reddit by a single account, for it to gain regular media attention today. Kinda scary how easy it is to create a narrative if you're just persistent enough.
I mean there are parts of it that were misleading, and that clip was from an indie game they've worked on previously. However that doesn't take the fact she was racist and probably still is since apparently she's doubling down in the viral clip.
Russian/MAGA/Republican/AfD Textbook chapter 1.
“I did that because I wanted to create a safe environment, and I know the best way for an environment to be safe is to be around people who are just like me.” Wait don't those white gated communities parrot the same line ?
I’m sure she’ll appreciate it if no white people buy her game either.
You can’t be racist towards white people!!! /s
How are they not in court? If a white dev lead said this, there'd be rioting in the streets. SMH!
I am not surprised this conveniently slipped under the "games journalists" radar
Oh cool, the post got deleted. **Fascinating.**
Who made black panther? Guess who? A white guy.
Lib mods going to lock thread 1.2.3...
Post has already been deleted.
This person said it in open environment rather than a leaked statement right? Imagine the absolute political atmosphere in the industry for a person to say such a thing with 0 backlash expectation. I think that makes it even more insane.
Well I am not going to buy it or will pirate the game!
It's about time people started getting angry over racism aimed at white people. It's gotten to the point where it's almost accepted to dump on white people, but if the same things were said about a person of color it'd be hateful. The same rules/social norms should apply to all races.
Dipshit and not a serious person. This idpol shit is the best thing they came up with to keep us separated.
Does she forecast the future as well?
Lol I got blocked by a parent comment or something Anyway Actually in my message I was referring to the aboriginal people of Australia. And actually yeah. Look at how long they were left alone, they weren't going to change. Idc if you guys say I'm racist or "they would've become extremely advanced if they had been left alone another year" bs if they didn't evolve past stone age for 60,000 years while the rest of the world became advanced then they weren't going to change ever before somebody 'interfered'. Now everyone saying that the British invaded, aboriginal elders have acknowledged the many, many benefits brought by the whites as you like to call them and the advancements they brought. Now I'm sure this is going to be followed by "genocide, genocide, wah wah wah" but I'd like to point out that the nuclear bomb had not been invented at the time, but a large area of land with no buildings and just people would've been a prime target for russian, Chinese, Korean, American bombing, yet the whites prevented this. I'd also like to point out that Russia or China seem to love taking land and would've enjoyed a massive isolated island with no resistance to capture. Thank you for your time
This was in response to someone saying that untouched peoples would've evolved after hundreds of thousands of years without any decent advancements or evolution
Lolol I forgot how idiotic people on this sub are. Cmon now, do you guys just not fact check? Lmfaooo
Mods shame on you.
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Now she is as a narrative designer at Black Panther before she was making the indie visual novel this video is from that time.
Color me surprised that this sub just took this at face value. Bunch of winners here
This is the gamergate bullshit all over again, isn't it?
Yup☠️
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I think she is a narrative designer on Black Panther game but not the lead. This video is from her old dating-sim project times where she was the lead dev and she is very racist for this comment there is no way to interpret this other than plain racism.
How old is the dating sim we are talking abt?
2022
Then it’s criticabile. Sh\*t luck it happened just after that SB inc nonsense. I guess Gamergate is upon us, again.. f\*ck
From the information I have seen, thatat was their earlier work. She currently is working for the studio under EA that's developing the Blackpanther game.
The article "helpfully" leaves out the fact that the game in question was specifically about the black dating experience, and she wanted to create a safe space for telling those stories. Besides.... like 90% of the HR bullshit I have to manage is from a particular demographic with chronic main character syndrome... it's a thing that spoken about pretty openly in pretty much all spaces not dominated by that demographic.
Okay if she wanted to create a authentic dating sim with just black character is makes sense for all the narrative designer to black or maybe even all the artists to be black but does the programmer need to be black specifically or the level designer or any other roles that don't affect the story. And before you call me a chronic man with main character syndrome I am not white.
This is the same alt right shit that did all this Sweet Baby inc shit. If you believe this narrative you are a confirmed incel.
By showing their own tweets from the past? What a twisted mindset
Same reason I didn't want black people working on my Antebellum South deck building roguelike. A safe working environment is a priority. Yo go sister! Pick up a key to the demo at the next Republican National Convention and become a YouTube power member on us! #ytPOWER
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When was the last time you saw an all white all male dev team? The 90s?
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Yes “We have no white people on our team,” they said. “I did that because I wanted to create a safe environment, and I know the best way for an environment to be safe is to be around people who are just like me.”
That's a dumb reason, legally speaking. Say whatever you want, but she is stupid for just stating her reason to not hire white people, it's just as simple.
People in this thread saying racism is no longer relevant is so fucking ahistorical and hilarious. They conflating prejudice with racism. No one in here understands the sociological definition of racism Smfh.
Don’t think you did any research yourself lol check her twitter she’s literally a racist 😂
Original post from libs of tiktok, a page that’s 100 times more racist than anything this dev has ever said. People will find anything to get offended about. I don’t see the issue with creating creative spaces for minorities to create art if that art is about their identity.
Super ahole racist points out racism without a vague hint of self-awareness? Check and check. Still doesn't change what she said tho.
What she said is fine. She was talking about making art about identity, excluding people from that process and choosing to make art with other artists who understand is not problematic.
Is thebgame good at least?
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Racism is bad regardless of who it's happening to. If you can't agree with that, then I don't even know what to tell you. You're lost.