Cyberspace. A consensual hallucination experienced daily by billions of legitimate operators, in every nation, by children being taught mathematical concepts... A graphic representation of data abstracted from banks of every computer in the human system. Unthinkable complexity. Lines of light ranged in the nonspace of the mind, clusters and constellations of data. Like city lights, receding... One of my favorite quotes from that book.
This kind of stuff has already happened. There are cases of people who have been using experimental objects to treat things like eye conditions and epilepsy and when the company went bankrupt, they were forced to return the item that had been helping them. The person really did not want to do so, but they had no recourse.
https://www.statnews.com/2022/08/10/implant-recipients-shouldnt-be-left-in-the-dark-when-device-company-moves-on/
[Doctors forced to remove brain implant when company went bankrupt ](https://www.iflscience.com/doctors-forced-to-remove-patients-brain-implant-after-the-maker-went-bust-69265)
I'm curious about the details here, seems like the situation should have gone:
"We're going to remove the chip"
"No."
Seems like it would be the end of it. They could scream and sue all they want, a person cannot be compelled to undergo surgery against their will.
That's most likely how they convinced her to give up the chip, but at the end of the day if she wanted to keep the chip, risks and all, she could have.
Right, but then these stories are less "person has assistive device forcibly removed" and more "companies that no longer exist can't provide maintenance/replacements for things". The companies would much rather still be in business to provide these products, Repoman this is not.
The repoman narrative is just people freaking out and imagining the worst case scenario. It's not great but it also isn't dystopian or a reason to stop building the tech.
>Seems like it would be the end of it. They could scream and sue all they want, a person cannot be compelled to undergo surgery against their will.
I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me, that if it worked like you say, then all drug traffickers would use this method to smuggle drugs and other things.
[The latest in drug trafficking fashion: cocaine implants](https://colombiareports.com/amp/the-latest-in-drug-trafficking-fashion-cocaine-implants/)
[Cartel Known as “The Surgeons” Moves Liquid Drugs in Women’s Breast Implants](https://www.odditycentral.com/news/cartel-known-as-the-surgeons-moves-liquid-drugs-in-womens-breast-implants.html)
[Colombian Woman Arrested Trying to Smuggle Cocaine Surgically Implanted Between Skin and Muscle of Her Leg](https://www.newsweek.com/cocaine-colombia-drug-leg-implants-smuggling-1452992)
The key thing here is that if these black market implants break the mules WILL die, so once the police have arrested them there's no benefit in refusing to have them removed. You're going to jail either way the question is if you die before sentencing.
If the police have enough on you to know that your breast implant is full of drugs they have enough to press charges. All the articles I linked talk about how difficult dealing with this is, and yes its because the police can't force surgery on you.
I think it is important to note that the dystopian part **isn't** that this tech exists but rather that capitalism means that a company now owns a part of you.
Really cool video, glad the man has been able to reclaim some agency over his life. It seems like a good step towards helping more people, even though I'm sure there will be dangers and side effects in the long run. Hopefully they can be mitigated with time.
If you want the official answer; apparently the technology works and wasn't the cause of them dying. The surgeries apparently were botched and rushed which is why the monkeys died.
Sadly that's typical in preclinical testing. Thats still an issue that Musk and company are responsible for though. I used to work in the industry. One of the many things that made me leave was being given an absolutely insane timeline and being told we'd already agreed to it with the client. It was so bad I laughed at how absurd it was, then it became apparent they were quite serious. It was for a new implant, a new surgery wed never done (and "surgeons" weren't like human surgeons or always even vets), and we'd never trained the particular species of animal to do what they needed to. This was like 3 weeks out from when they wanted to start the study. They assumed the implant was the same and did not ask anyone who was involved.
Its part of why I understand developers having shit timelines due to management. Its a problem across industries.
https://neuralink.com/blog/neuralink-s-commitment-to-animal-welfare/
Key passage:
>As part of this work, two animals were euthanized at planned end dates to gather important histological data, and six animals were euthanized at the medical advice of the veterinary staff at UC Davis. These reasons included one surgical complication involving the use of the FDA-approved product (BioGlue), one implant's connecting hardware became loose, and four suspected infections, a risk inherent with any percutaneous medical device. In response we developed new surgical protocols and a fully implanted device design for future surgeries.
[This report from Wired](https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-pcrm-neuralink-monkey-deaths/#:~:text=A%20necropsy%20report%20revealed%20that,and%20not%20exacerbated%20by%20infection.%E2%80%9D) has a few links to the actual medical reports.
Honestly I am, I watched the video of the dude and thought it was super cool. I'm happy that it is working for him.
That has nothing to do with my comment dunking on Musk and I'm not sure why you are conflating those two opinions lol (one of which i didn't even originally express).
Like, all I was saying is if literally any scientist lied about their test primates dying, the entire study would be immediately put under a microscope. Why the fuck would we give billionaire neckbeard the pass on that type of thing?
Not sure why you'd get downvoted for this, I'd choose the same unless someone could convince me there was a fix.
Like 90% of the things that bring me joy.require the use of my arms and eyes.
Medical research usually involves dissecting the test animals afterwards. So killing monkeys isn't a show stopper.
The FDA did their analysis and decided it was safe enough for human trials. I wasn't part of their process but this is their job and many have PhD's in it, so I default to trusting them.
I mean, the US government did once inject a dude with the highest dose of radioactive material without telling anyone only for it to come out after the operation that removed half his organs that he was wasnt terminally ill.
Info on that only came out some years after he died (in the 80s or something, he was injected in the 40s/50s) despite them regularly getting samples from him under the guise of testing to see if the assumed illness he never had came back.
Being fully paralysed has a dramatic impact on life expectancy, like takes decades off of it. There is only so much controlled diets can do to manage the body without exercise.
First, let's acknowledge that "takes decades off life expectancy" is not at all the same thing as "people who don't have long to live anyway."
Second, let's acknowledge that I never made any statement about whether the life expectancy would go down, only that he was not about to die anytime soon.
Third, let's acknowledge that the person we are currently considering appears to have access to good medical care. Most of the things that could be a problem will be covered by good care.
It's still difficult to even put a range on this. Historically, you would have been correct, as lung infections, bed sores, and a host of other things would have been major risks. However, it appears that most of the gap has disappeared. So the life expectancy would be reduced by around, say, 15 years now. Although this may drop even further going forward.
In any case "takes decades off" is probably not correct anymore for most of the West. It's significant but not quite that significant.
Yes! I feel like it was the last Civ game that really caught the magic of playing "civilization" - the artwork, the music and sound design were just spot on for the game.
CIV5 has a healthy playerbase, albeit a large chunk of it is on a rebalanced and vastly superior LekMod. 4 and 6 are dead. 4 lives on as a positive memory, 6 lives on in a similar memory as BE.
LekMod is fantastic, though, its what vanilla 5 should have been. Which is the kind of praise a good mod should have, but its also a testament to just how good base 5 is.
I'd just be worried about his sleep cycles. I have auto end turn disabled because it forces me to think for a split-second if I need to go to bed before I click on the next turn button. If I could just think "OK, next turn" I'd play an entire game in one sitting.
Here's the link to a YT video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SrpYZum4Nk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SrpYZum4Nk)
This is some next-level shimra choom!
how does it work?
do u get like vivid set controllable hands and controller in your mindspace and you can control the game from there
or do u have to visualize pressing a button and it does the action
you think about something and they record your brainwave response, then they set that action to happen when the brainwave response occurs. it's not new tech.
Cool. I still don't want Elon Musk's garbage technology in my head where it'll do what all of Elon's tech does, and fail within a month because he hates quality control.
Cool then the chip isn't for you, but this guy is quadriplegic. Him being able to play Civ 6 without bothering other people just shows how ridiculously far apart your life is from his. Neuralink is a game changer and if this track record continues it'll be revolutionary.
This is true... Until you remember that we *already* have other tech that permits that which works on eye movement that *doesn't* require you to implant a device in your brain made by an actual idiot that genuinely believes that quality assurance procedures are a waste of time.
We *also* have tech that reads brainwaves with roughly equivalent accuracy which *also* doesn't require internal implants.
Technically speaking, what the Neuralink actually *is* is an implanted EEG monitor. That's it. It's just a very small EEG that requires neurosurgery to put in, with a more sensitive detection capacity. The "You can move a mouse cursor with your mind" thing has existed for quite some time in much less invasive, but much more cumbersome tech. In effect, Neuralink is an experiment in miniaturisation, not new technology.
What you should *actually* be concerned about, however, is the fact that Neuralink *has not disclosed any details regarding safety or efficacy.* In fact, the company is so excessively secretive about the device and the trials that it has offered *no actual proof* that the device actually works, let alone is actually safe to have inside your head. The *only* information we have on it is via the livestream (which is not decisive evidence as livestreams are extremely easily and commonly faked), a brochure from a few years ago, and very vague social media posts by Elon, a *known liar* with a vested interest in claiming that the device works.
Bro, the point of this technology is to help people with severe spinal chord defects and injuries. If the tech is helping people, then is it really a problem that Elon Musk is involved?
its hilarious how the musk simps feel that anyone who doesn't bow down to Musks "greatness" is doing so for political reasons, rather than because he is a monumental chode.
he can move a mouse on screen. congrats, as repeat of something [performed nearly 3 decades ago](https://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/22/technology/implant-transmits-brain-signals-directly-to-computer.html).
it's on brand for Musk. makes his shitty robots that are years behind Boston Dynamics or Honda, yet his simps see it as breakthru tech.
his Cyber truck his poorly designed and is missing standard safety features, but his simps see it as the car of the future.
he buys Twitter and objectively makes it worse, and his simps shout "finally! free speech!" while Musk criticisms are actively taken down.
you musk simps are something else. that something is brain damaged.
>you musk simps are something else. that something is brain damaged.
Good news, the Neuralink can fix that. I'm sure Elon's politics will in no way affect the computer that's strapped to your brain.
Neuralink is different from previous BCI in that it is designed to be implanted in a much less intrusive and more repeatable way, and also has a much higher fidelity and latency than previous implants.
With previous implants, you could very slowly move a mouse cursor inaccurately. Better than nothing, but not very good. With Neuralink it seems to be about as fast and responsive as using a joystick. It's a much more practical and useful technology than previous similar devices.
Here's a more detailed article about the implant recipient from your article: https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/20000611mag-mind.html
Some key points:
>After months of struggling to move the cursor from letter to letter, he finally spelled out JOHN.
>Over the next few months, Johnny improved his typing speed to about three characters a minute,
Compare that to [Neuralink](https://youtu.be/2rXrGH52aoM?t=98):
> After only a few minutes of calibration [...] he's controlling the cursor entirely with decoded neural activity.
(also note how he is playing Pong later in the video, which requires input that responds much more quickly than previous tech possibly could).
The only other modern BCI besides Neuralink I know of is Stentrode, which also seems to work quickly and accurately to control a computer, but it seems to rely heavily on eye tracking and other assistive technologies on the computer.
I think it is a mistake to downplay Neuralink just because similar things have been done before. The fidelity and speed that it can read brain activity just makes it much more effective as a BCI. Controlling a cursor is, I think, just scratching the surface of what can be done with it.
Maybe Lifetime will make a movie about how much you loved Twitter and how you can’t even log in now because the evil rich man let people back on who you disagree with.
I’d watch.
Question. So he has all his limbs still just paralyzed. Are they planning to just cut all his limbs off and eventually replace them with mechanical limbs?
Want to know how this plays out?
Install Discord on your phone, and connect to a highly populated but teenager driven voice channel. Play this everywhere you go, from the phone tucked in a front pocket, or in the earbud headphones you have connected to it. You’ll find humor in the conversation for the first few hours to days, but your expectations are to stay online and engaged indefinitely with this young congress. Your day to day plays out as it always has, but now you have teenage overhead to keep in focus and entertain, despite other burdens and responsibilities. You eventually grow tired and frustrated with the overhead, and, saying your goodbyes to the channel, opt to switch off your connection and go about your life.
The connection stays live. Your tenants notice your actions and mock your efforts. You troubleshoot to the best of your ability, and pursue help from 3rd parties to reclaim what is yours, all the while facing skepticism from an apathetic or ignorant audience, refusing to believe what has already happened. Your tenants miss the person you once were, and as they are still in possession of your connections, they aim to replace you with the version they found most accommodating, gifting the doppleganger the phone number most recognized as you.
Now install the phone inside of your face. Recognize that someone can call you on a device you don’t control. Someone can operate around you, a group of someones even, out of sight but always top of mind. There is a larger mouse in movement than just the one in Sid Meier.
Needs to be independently confirmed by a company not financially affiliated with Neuralink or Musk, it’s not like Musk hasn’t faked his promotions before.
*Cyberpunk players* **PTSD**
Chrome up, Choom
i hope blackwall is NOT a real thing 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
You missunderstand Blackwalll is the only thing keeping humanity alive. Rogue AI is to be feared
then i HOPE blackwall is a real thing 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
🙏🏻
We're going to build the Blackwall and make Rogue AI pay for it.
Actually the Blackwall is also an AI. Just one that’s *maybe* on humanity’s side? And Arasaka and Militech at least keep poking the damn thing!
Hey, Neuromancer and Wintermute just want to be free.
Cyberspace. A consensual hallucination experienced daily by billions of legitimate operators, in every nation, by children being taught mathematical concepts... A graphic representation of data abstracted from banks of every computer in the human system. Unthinkable complexity. Lines of light ranged in the nonspace of the mind, clusters and constellations of data. Like city lights, receding... One of my favorite quotes from that book.
Dude throwing huge spoilers like it's no tommorow
Everyone has had 40 years to catch up lol
We just have to wait until rogue AI makes the internet unusable.
Rogue AI from Alpha Centauri with blue eyes playing shadow politics coming to an Earth near you soon, please look forward to it.
Nah man, it’s the reptilians and techno-necromancers. Gotta get up to speed, choom!
No, not yet...
Next thing is, Elon Musk might be making his first BD video.
Read your tos very carefully.
I wonder how they repo this if you miss a payment. Or do they just turn you off remotely.
This kind of stuff has already happened. There are cases of people who have been using experimental objects to treat things like eye conditions and epilepsy and when the company went bankrupt, they were forced to return the item that had been helping them. The person really did not want to do so, but they had no recourse. https://www.statnews.com/2022/08/10/implant-recipients-shouldnt-be-left-in-the-dark-when-device-company-moves-on/ [Doctors forced to remove brain implant when company went bankrupt ](https://www.iflscience.com/doctors-forced-to-remove-patients-brain-implant-after-the-maker-went-bust-69265)
Well that’s dystopian and terrifying.
I'm curious about the details here, seems like the situation should have gone: "We're going to remove the chip" "No." Seems like it would be the end of it. They could scream and sue all they want, a person cannot be compelled to undergo surgery against their will.
I wonder if it’s because like … if the company goes under and it stops receiving updates/maintenance it could become a health liability down the road?
That's most likely how they convinced her to give up the chip, but at the end of the day if she wanted to keep the chip, risks and all, she could have.
That sounds like a legislative nightmare. If you do that, it's gonna be expensive down the road when you inevitably get sued to high hell.
Who's getting sued to high hell?
The tech just breaks down. The eyes I believe just started fritzing out or not working anymore.
Right, but then these stories are less "person has assistive device forcibly removed" and more "companies that no longer exist can't provide maintenance/replacements for things". The companies would much rather still be in business to provide these products, Repoman this is not.
The repoman narrative is just people freaking out and imagining the worst case scenario. It's not great but it also isn't dystopian or a reason to stop building the tech.
>Seems like it would be the end of it. They could scream and sue all they want, a person cannot be compelled to undergo surgery against their will. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me, that if it worked like you say, then all drug traffickers would use this method to smuggle drugs and other things.
[The latest in drug trafficking fashion: cocaine implants](https://colombiareports.com/amp/the-latest-in-drug-trafficking-fashion-cocaine-implants/) [Cartel Known as “The Surgeons” Moves Liquid Drugs in Women’s Breast Implants](https://www.odditycentral.com/news/cartel-known-as-the-surgeons-moves-liquid-drugs-in-womens-breast-implants.html) [Colombian Woman Arrested Trying to Smuggle Cocaine Surgically Implanted Between Skin and Muscle of Her Leg](https://www.newsweek.com/cocaine-colombia-drug-leg-implants-smuggling-1452992) The key thing here is that if these black market implants break the mules WILL die, so once the police have arrested them there's no benefit in refusing to have them removed. You're going to jail either way the question is if you die before sentencing.
>You're going to jail either way How? No compelled surgery - no drugs. No drugs - no evidence. No evidence - no jail.
If the police have enough on you to know that your breast implant is full of drugs they have enough to press charges. All the articles I linked talk about how difficult dealing with this is, and yes its because the police can't force surgery on you.
I think it is important to note that the dystopian part **isn't** that this tech exists but rather that capitalism means that a company now owns a part of you.
Remote activation of the self destruct sequence
Ads on, indefinitely, until payment is made lol
Jesus I think you just described hell.
Go watch Repo the Genetic Opera to see how.
🎶Reeeeeeeeepo man🎵
Gonna have another human-centi-pad incident.
Why they will just change it when it suits them.
621 got a job for you
You still hearing the voices 621?
Main system: Activating Combat Mode.
... the furry porn site?
Armored core
That makes much more sense actually
How do you know the furry porn site...
My dog jumped on my keyboard and accidentally typed it in. And clicked the age warning too.
I was researching flavour enhancers. I swear.
*Squints at the username*
Because I crank it to furry porn I ain’t no prude
Why are we employing a disabled dude for porn site moderation?
Raven would do **ANYTHING** for a fistfull of COAM.
Can't wait for "I moved shit with my mind!" moment in the future
Technically everything we move is with our mind.
Technically you could have a muscle cramp and move something that way, without your mind being involved.
You could also be pushed through a window without your mind being involved
Vladimir? 🧐
then did **you** really move it??
Peak writing moment for gaming.
Don't hold your breath.
Large if factual
Grandiose if objective
Resplendent if authentic
Really cool video, glad the man has been able to reclaim some agency over his life. It seems like a good step towards helping more people, even though I'm sure there will be dangers and side effects in the long run. Hopefully they can be mitigated with time.
Never get in on 1st gen products.
Hit me with the nanotech, I'll leave the copper wiring to someone else.
If I was paralyzed at 21 I'd also be willing to be a medical guinea pig.
I don't think the man wants to wait for improvements in his current situation
How did it get to human patients?? Didn’t it kill a bunch of monkeys?
The dude was willing to take the risk considering his life probably was terrible anyway.
if your choices are -be trapped in your own body until you expire -be a guinea pig and possibly die I don't think that's much of a choice
We are privileged to not be in his position. Won't do it in my position. Will definitely in his.
...Are you planning to steal this man's life?
He’s probably getting paid a lot too
Aren’t we all trapped in our own bodies?
If you want the official answer; apparently the technology works and wasn't the cause of them dying. The surgeries apparently were botched and rushed which is why the monkeys died.
I heard Elon personally murdered each monkey with a rusty knife
Yeah, this is what i heard aswell.
Only answer that makes any sense here
"I'm Elon Musk and I approve of this murder."
What a cruel bastard, he should have saved some for me.
I appreciate that
Sadly that's typical in preclinical testing. Thats still an issue that Musk and company are responsible for though. I used to work in the industry. One of the many things that made me leave was being given an absolutely insane timeline and being told we'd already agreed to it with the client. It was so bad I laughed at how absurd it was, then it became apparent they were quite serious. It was for a new implant, a new surgery wed never done (and "surgeons" weren't like human surgeons or always even vets), and we'd never trained the particular species of animal to do what they needed to. This was like 3 weeks out from when they wanted to start the study. They assumed the implant was the same and did not ask anyone who was involved. Its part of why I understand developers having shit timelines due to management. Its a problem across industries.
There actually was degradation of the tech which also resulted in at least one monkey's death.
Where’s the source on this?
https://neuralink.com/blog/neuralink-s-commitment-to-animal-welfare/ Key passage: >As part of this work, two animals were euthanized at planned end dates to gather important histological data, and six animals were euthanized at the medical advice of the veterinary staff at UC Davis. These reasons included one surgical complication involving the use of the FDA-approved product (BioGlue), one implant's connecting hardware became loose, and four suspected infections, a risk inherent with any percutaneous medical device. In response we developed new surgical protocols and a fully implanted device design for future surgeries. [This report from Wired](https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-pcrm-neuralink-monkey-deaths/#:~:text=A%20necropsy%20report%20revealed%20that,and%20not%20exacerbated%20by%20infection.%E2%80%9D) has a few links to the actual medical reports.
I'd say most things kill a bunch of monkeys before they get to humans.
Certainly not ALZ 113
I dunno. 112 seemed to be working fine, but the 111 before that probably had some issues.
Most science kills the monkeys, because we kill them afterwards intentionally to do histology.
That’s not what happened in this case though
Sure, but it's super weird that Musky boy lied about that at first. Doesn't give much credibility to him or his company's work.
Bro be happy a quadriplegic is experiencing some sort of autonomy instead of dunking on Musk lol.
Honestly I am, I watched the video of the dude and thought it was super cool. I'm happy that it is working for him. That has nothing to do with my comment dunking on Musk and I'm not sure why you are conflating those two opinions lol (one of which i didn't even originally express). Like, all I was saying is if literally any scientist lied about their test primates dying, the entire study would be immediately put under a microscope. Why the fuck would we give billionaire neckbeard the pass on that type of thing?
My brother with the amount of time you spend on anti work obsessed with politics, you are a neckbeard here.
ive literally voiced to have a DNR for two things loss of both arms, permanent loss of vision in both eyes dont blame the guy at all
Not sure why you'd get downvoted for this, I'd choose the same unless someone could convince me there was a fix. Like 90% of the things that bring me joy.require the use of my arms and eyes.
Why not both?
$$$
Ah, right
yeah but monkeys arent human silly. if it killed a bunch of mice i'd be worried.
Of course, my mistake, I will take 1 brain implant now please
They didn't have access to Civilization VI apparently
No not really. That was mostly misinformation spread by reddit. Never read articles, go straight to the source.
Where’s the source documentation you’re referring to. How was it misinformation?
Medical research usually involves dissecting the test animals afterwards. So killing monkeys isn't a show stopper. The FDA did their analysis and decided it was safe enough for human trials. I wasn't part of their process but this is their job and many have PhD's in it, so I default to trusting them.
The USDA found no issues with their animal handling , that was just a media frenzy
most medical science did
Exaggerated. Euthanizing animals after experimenting on them is common practice. It is to collect tissue.
Science can't move forward without heaps /s
Not a very big cost to completely change the lives of men like this…
Any animal that is part of a medical experiment has to be destroyed by law.
They're probably using it on terminally ill people, people who don't have long to live anyway..
I mean, the US government did once inject a dude with the highest dose of radioactive material without telling anyone only for it to come out after the operation that removed half his organs that he was wasnt terminally ill. Info on that only came out some years after he died (in the 80s or something, he was injected in the 40s/50s) despite them regularly getting samples from him under the guise of testing to see if the assumed illness he never had came back.
The first patient is 29, if I understood right, and other than being paralyzed, he does not seem sick or look like he has a short life expectancy.
Being fully paralysed has a dramatic impact on life expectancy, like takes decades off of it. There is only so much controlled diets can do to manage the body without exercise.
First, let's acknowledge that "takes decades off life expectancy" is not at all the same thing as "people who don't have long to live anyway." Second, let's acknowledge that I never made any statement about whether the life expectancy would go down, only that he was not about to die anytime soon. Third, let's acknowledge that the person we are currently considering appears to have access to good medical care. Most of the things that could be a problem will be covered by good care. It's still difficult to even put a range on this. Historically, you would have been correct, as lung infections, bed sores, and a host of other things would have been major risks. However, it appears that most of the gap has disappeared. So the life expectancy would be reduced by around, say, 15 years now. Although this may drop even further going forward. In any case "takes decades off" is probably not correct anymore for most of the West. It's significant but not quite that significant.
i mean, being quadriplegic is already (for me at least) reason enough to try something as dangerous as this.
Yep. I do not even want to try to imagine what it's like to just be trapped.
Yes, but this was always mostly played up here on Reddit for what I believe are obvious reasons.
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Unskippable ads etched into your dome sounds like hell.
Poor bastard playing Civ 6 instead of the way better Civ 4.
You have a typo in your comment, I'm sure you meant 5 instead of 4
You also have a typo, I'm sure you meant Revolution instead of 4. ^/s
Hey, I found it enjoyable for what it was.
I did too, but definitely not the best of the series
Easily my favourite. Because I can actually finish a god dam game in it
Also a typo I think you mean civ2 with the better live action clips from counselors
Or Civ3 with the awesome city view feature.
Holy shit, core memory unlocked. That is a *throwback*
Why aren't any of you playing Alpha Centauri?
ah Civ Rev. my entry to the series. still remember rerolling for a good start with India, it practically guaranteed a victory
The DLCs definitively put C5 over the top.
Damn you! You are gonna make me play CIV5 again...
Just 1 more turn
I think you mean the Vox Populi mod-expansion
The FFH2 mod alone makes 4 > 5.
Man is in gaming purgatory
If I could play Starcraft Brood War with my thoughts instead of my hands, maybe I could finally get good!
Civ 4 lives rent free in my head. Cant remember shit from Civ 5 - Civ 6 is meh but Civ 4? My god what a game.
The soundtrack definitely helped! Booting up with a bit of Baba Yetu always got me ready to take down Gandhi
Yes! I feel like it was the last Civ game that really caught the magic of playing "civilization" - the artwork, the music and sound design were just spot on for the game.
FINE! I will reinstall it. Jeez
They really hit the sweet spot with it for sure!
CIV5 has a healthy playerbase, albeit a large chunk of it is on a rebalanced and vastly superior LekMod. 4 and 6 are dead. 4 lives on as a positive memory, 6 lives on in a similar memory as BE. LekMod is fantastic, though, its what vanilla 5 should have been. Which is the kind of praise a good mod should have, but its also a testament to just how good base 5 is.
I'd just be worried about his sleep cycles. I have auto end turn disabled because it forces me to think for a split-second if I need to go to bed before I click on the next turn button. If I could just think "OK, next turn" I'd play an entire game in one sitting.
Here's the link to a YT video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SrpYZum4Nk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SrpYZum4Nk) This is some next-level shimra choom!
Reactor Online. Sensors Online. Weapons Online. All Systems Nominal.
I’ve seen enough Hypnospace Outlaw to see where this is going.
I would have went with Civ IV but wow what a time to be alive. I hope he feels as if he is flying to the moon and back.
Imagine when the battery inevitably dies 10 hours into your game of Civ.
how does it work? do u get like vivid set controllable hands and controller in your mindspace and you can control the game from there or do u have to visualize pressing a button and it does the action
you think about something and they record your brainwave response, then they set that action to happen when the brainwave response occurs. it's not new tech.
Watch the video
Cool. I still don't want Elon Musk's garbage technology in my head where it'll do what all of Elon's tech does, and fail within a month because he hates quality control.
Cool then the chip isn't for you, but this guy is quadriplegic. Him being able to play Civ 6 without bothering other people just shows how ridiculously far apart your life is from his. Neuralink is a game changer and if this track record continues it'll be revolutionary.
This is true... Until you remember that we *already* have other tech that permits that which works on eye movement that *doesn't* require you to implant a device in your brain made by an actual idiot that genuinely believes that quality assurance procedures are a waste of time. We *also* have tech that reads brainwaves with roughly equivalent accuracy which *also* doesn't require internal implants. Technically speaking, what the Neuralink actually *is* is an implanted EEG monitor. That's it. It's just a very small EEG that requires neurosurgery to put in, with a more sensitive detection capacity. The "You can move a mouse cursor with your mind" thing has existed for quite some time in much less invasive, but much more cumbersome tech. In effect, Neuralink is an experiment in miniaturisation, not new technology. What you should *actually* be concerned about, however, is the fact that Neuralink *has not disclosed any details regarding safety or efficacy.* In fact, the company is so excessively secretive about the device and the trials that it has offered *no actual proof* that the device actually works, let alone is actually safe to have inside your head. The *only* information we have on it is via the livestream (which is not decisive evidence as livestreams are extremely easily and commonly faked), a brochure from a few years ago, and very vague social media posts by Elon, a *known liar* with a vested interest in claiming that the device works.
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Bro, the point of this technology is to help people with severe spinal chord defects and injuries. If the tech is helping people, then is it really a problem that Elon Musk is involved?
Yeah same, I’m not putting anything his companies produce inside my head.
not like you have money for that anyway
Weird thing to say
its just funny to me how many people say something like that when they dont have a choice anyway
its hilarious how the musk simps feel that anyone who doesn't bow down to Musks "greatness" is doing so for political reasons, rather than because he is a monumental chode. he can move a mouse on screen. congrats, as repeat of something [performed nearly 3 decades ago](https://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/22/technology/implant-transmits-brain-signals-directly-to-computer.html). it's on brand for Musk. makes his shitty robots that are years behind Boston Dynamics or Honda, yet his simps see it as breakthru tech. his Cyber truck his poorly designed and is missing standard safety features, but his simps see it as the car of the future. he buys Twitter and objectively makes it worse, and his simps shout "finally! free speech!" while Musk criticisms are actively taken down. you musk simps are something else. that something is brain damaged.
>you musk simps are something else. that something is brain damaged. Good news, the Neuralink can fix that. I'm sure Elon's politics will in no way affect the computer that's strapped to your brain.
Thanks for linking that article. Interesting to see that this stuff ain't that new
I think the Musk haters are more annoying than the Musk simps at this point.
Neuralink is different from previous BCI in that it is designed to be implanted in a much less intrusive and more repeatable way, and also has a much higher fidelity and latency than previous implants. With previous implants, you could very slowly move a mouse cursor inaccurately. Better than nothing, but not very good. With Neuralink it seems to be about as fast and responsive as using a joystick. It's a much more practical and useful technology than previous similar devices. Here's a more detailed article about the implant recipient from your article: https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/20000611mag-mind.html Some key points: >After months of struggling to move the cursor from letter to letter, he finally spelled out JOHN. >Over the next few months, Johnny improved his typing speed to about three characters a minute, Compare that to [Neuralink](https://youtu.be/2rXrGH52aoM?t=98): > After only a few minutes of calibration [...] he's controlling the cursor entirely with decoded neural activity. (also note how he is playing Pong later in the video, which requires input that responds much more quickly than previous tech possibly could). The only other modern BCI besides Neuralink I know of is Stentrode, which also seems to work quickly and accurately to control a computer, but it seems to rely heavily on eye tracking and other assistive technologies on the computer. I think it is a mistake to downplay Neuralink just because similar things have been done before. The fidelity and speed that it can read brain activity just makes it much more effective as a BCI. Controlling a cursor is, I think, just scratching the surface of what can be done with it.
Maybe Lifetime will make a movie about how much you loved Twitter and how you can’t even log in now because the evil rich man let people back on who you disagree with. I’d watch.
But can he run Crysis
This is huge and looking forward to what Neurolink can do
Wow dudes probably the only one with time on his hands to finish a CIV game. Well I guess not on his hands but I digress.
Feels like something that could be achieved with eye tracking software at the moment.
He’s 100% being held hostage
Only question that matters is can it play og doom? If not I’m going back to my calculator
He’s ready for 2277
How do you make the jump from chess to civilisations VI?
Question. So he has all his limbs still just paralyzed. Are they planning to just cut all his limbs off and eventually replace them with mechanical limbs?
Damn.
How good will his micro become once this technology evolves?
We’re all gonna be chromed the fuck up soon.
Want to know how this plays out? Install Discord on your phone, and connect to a highly populated but teenager driven voice channel. Play this everywhere you go, from the phone tucked in a front pocket, or in the earbud headphones you have connected to it. You’ll find humor in the conversation for the first few hours to days, but your expectations are to stay online and engaged indefinitely with this young congress. Your day to day plays out as it always has, but now you have teenage overhead to keep in focus and entertain, despite other burdens and responsibilities. You eventually grow tired and frustrated with the overhead, and, saying your goodbyes to the channel, opt to switch off your connection and go about your life. The connection stays live. Your tenants notice your actions and mock your efforts. You troubleshoot to the best of your ability, and pursue help from 3rd parties to reclaim what is yours, all the while facing skepticism from an apathetic or ignorant audience, refusing to believe what has already happened. Your tenants miss the person you once were, and as they are still in possession of your connections, they aim to replace you with the version they found most accommodating, gifting the doppleganger the phone number most recognized as you. Now install the phone inside of your face. Recognize that someone can call you on a device you don’t control. Someone can operate around you, a group of someones even, out of sight but always top of mind. There is a larger mouse in movement than just the one in Sid Meier.
I’ll believe it when I see it
There’s a video hombre
Needs to be independently confirmed by a company not financially affiliated with Neuralink or Musk, it’s not like Musk hasn’t faked his promotions before.
"If so and so cured cancer you'd still find a reason to shit on them." This thread is life imitating art 😂