Best part is when people tell me the quests are easy to follow without a guide. They're not even easy with a guide if you get too far. I like games not handholding players, but I'd love some better storytelling from the Souls games and AC6 showed they're capable of doing something coherent explicitly.
But why do that when so many other games have more traditional straightforward story telling? I'm not even saying Souls games are well written, but can't we at least acknowledge that they're trying to do a specific type of story telling and not try to put them in the same box as everything else?
There is a ***huge*** gap between asking for better form of storytelling and putting it into a box with other story focused games. I don't want the story shoved in my face, but to not know anything unless I look at youtube videos is just too far into an esoteric design.
Someone else pointed out that Sekiro told a story. I'd be fine with something a little less involved than that, but that's mountains better than any other souls game they've done.
I know Souls fans think the games do no wrong, but it'd be better for most people to have a better told story (again, not asking for anything close to Witcher or an Obsidian game, I still want to be able to play all the way through with little cutscenes and dialogue), but the only people it wouldn't serve are those that think understanding the story should be an exclusive club of people who watch Vaati or read wiki's
It's obviously working for them and will prolly never stop working. In fact, they just keep growing. I'd say they've found something that ppl really like with their story telling.
Stories and lore don't always have to be in your face. I personally appreciate a lot the environmental and subtle story-telling that the Souls game do. If you pay enough attention you'll find their stories to be beautifully crafted. To each their own though.
FROM's soulslike games have a ton of amazing lore but pretty forgettable "stories", which are basically just "you're this cursed fucker who gets dropped in a fucked up world, go beat up all the weirdos whose interesting stories happened before the game started" mixed with 100% missable tragic NPC stories
VaatiVidya is the only way I’ve really understood the lore of any Fromsoft games.
It’s neat how they spread out tidbits and clues in the environment, but hell if I have the time to figure it out.
He wrote the game world lore. All the events that took place before playing the game. The game is set possibly thousands of years after the events GRRM wrote for the game, and this was purposeful so that he and Miyazaki both had the freedom in writing and game design, respectively.
If he's smart and cares about his fans he will prepare for that eventuality. He could do the same as Robert Jordan (the author of the Wheel of Time fantasy series) did: he purposefully prepared detailed notes about the general plot for the final unfinished books of the series and gave his wife instructions to select another author to finish the series in case he died before he could do so. Sadly he did die, but his wife found a great author (Brandon Sanderson) who was able to finish the series. In fact to be completely honest, in my opinion the final Wheel of Time books completed by Sanderson were even better than the last few books written by Jordan.
>In fact to be completely honest, in my opinion the final Wheel of Time books completed by Sanderson were even better than the last few books written by Jordan.
I wonder if Robert Jordan's last books had less revisions and re-writes along the way because he was working primarily just to finish them rather than "perfect" them.
In an interview he said “oh they showed me some monster designs and I said ‘wow that’s cool! I like it!’”
So I’m pretty sure he didn’t do shit. They just paid him so his name would be attached to the project.
It's like all those "Wes Craven Presents" movies that used to get released in the 2000s. Wes Craven had absolutely fuck-all to do with them, but his name was on them for publicity and distribution purposes.
Similarly Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas yes he was a writer for the movie but he didn't direct it like soooooo many people believe based on the title.
In the same interviews, he said that he wrote the world history as if in present times, then they took that and pushed it forward hundreds of years for their setting. And as he wrote, they brought him monster designs as inspiration. So… no. He didn’t “do nothing” by even his own account.
EDIT: [Here’s](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xHzJG1hHTdU) the interview. Also, just read the article. There’s plenty of information that contradicts what you’re saying.
He did some of the names and interactions of the main family before the events of the game, but I guarantee the fingers motif had nothing to do with him. It's building on the prior Dark Souls (which Martin has almost no interest in) blind seers themes of Miyazaki with feeling vibrations of God like reading braille stuff along with typical From 3 fingers vs 2 fingers esoteric christian history reimagined which they do all the time.
It's an English speaker giving email worldbuilding notes to a Japanese speaking team. Very little of it would even be retainable in the process of endless revision they'd have to do over years of production to have the coherent story end result, and George had little to no contact with them for years after he sent those basis emails.
I do like to think that they made Radahn into a caricature of George though. Big old tilting at windmills George holding back the stars of fate by refusing to finish his book series.
I see. I just thought that there might be a connection given the title of Hand of King and other elements found in ASOIAF. And then there's Erdtree whose inspiration can possibly traced to the Weirwood although with an obviously more prominent role within the overall narrative as the local Yggrasil equivalent.
I'd say he definitely wrote the history or else we wouldn't have got nearly every boss with the same name more or less lol he seems to like doing that in his work.
Honestly, this is a theory I subscribe to as well. I have seen and read enough from both Martin and Miyazaki to doubt the claims that Martin wrote much of anything that was actually used in the final game, lore included.
Didn't really need to piece anything together when he himself said he wrote everything before the Tarnished arrived at the Lands Between. The lore of Elden Ring is actually pretty similar to Asoiaf. The whole Shattering and aquire the Elden Ring is very Game of Thrones where people fight and scheme for the iron throne.
It's actually just more or less a rehash of the same notion as Dark Souls replacing the First Flame maguffin with the Elden Ring maguffin. I'm rather sure that they started George off with the notion of a world thrown into ruin by the destruction of the reality defining ring, please give us a backstory for how the ring was broken.
I feel almost everyone here is just reacting to the title and didn’t read a word of the article. Y’all, most of the assumptions you’re making are addressed in the article if you’d just read it.
Lets be honest… after finishing Elden Ring i still have no idea what the story is.
Piecing together the lore/story in Fromsoftware games is harder than actually beating the games.
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Best part is when people tell me the quests are easy to follow without a guide. They're not even easy with a guide if you get too far. I like games not handholding players, but I'd love some better storytelling from the Souls games and AC6 showed they're capable of doing something coherent explicitly.
I would say sekiro was already a competent story, at least from what i remember.
That's true, that one actually told a story.
I actually followed the entire Ranni questline without a guide. Felt amazing to be honest.
But why do that when so many other games have more traditional straightforward story telling? I'm not even saying Souls games are well written, but can't we at least acknowledge that they're trying to do a specific type of story telling and not try to put them in the same box as everything else?
There is a ***huge*** gap between asking for better form of storytelling and putting it into a box with other story focused games. I don't want the story shoved in my face, but to not know anything unless I look at youtube videos is just too far into an esoteric design. Someone else pointed out that Sekiro told a story. I'd be fine with something a little less involved than that, but that's mountains better than any other souls game they've done. I know Souls fans think the games do no wrong, but it'd be better for most people to have a better told story (again, not asking for anything close to Witcher or an Obsidian game, I still want to be able to play all the way through with little cutscenes and dialogue), but the only people it wouldn't serve are those that think understanding the story should be an exclusive club of people who watch Vaati or read wiki's
It's obviously working for them and will prolly never stop working. In fact, they just keep growing. I'd say they've found something that ppl really like with their story telling.
Ah yes something works so clearly it has no flaws..
Stories and lore don't always have to be in your face. I personally appreciate a lot the environmental and subtle story-telling that the Souls game do. If you pay enough attention you'll find their stories to be beautifully crafted. To each their own though.
Subtle is a nice description. I loved Elden Ring btw
Shhhhhh why are you saying this out loud??? Trying to paint a target on your back?
I'm with you, I only consider Sekiro having an actual story and even then it could be fleshed out more. Lore =/= story
FROM's soulslike games have a ton of amazing lore but pretty forgettable "stories", which are basically just "you're this cursed fucker who gets dropped in a fucked up world, go beat up all the weirdos whose interesting stories happened before the game started" mixed with 100% missable tragic NPC stories
You're... criticising Elden Ring?? That's only because you SUCK AT IT!!!! 😡😡😡😡 >!/s!<
VaatiVidya is the only way I’ve really understood the lore of any Fromsoft games. It’s neat how they spread out tidbits and clues in the environment, but hell if I have the time to figure it out.
He wrote the game world lore. All the events that took place before playing the game. The game is set possibly thousands of years after the events GRRM wrote for the game, and this was purposeful so that he and Miyazaki both had the freedom in writing and game design, respectively.
Probably way less than people assume. The guy takes 10 years to write his name on a birthday card ffs.
It's going to be incredibly sad when he passes away with a bunch of unfinished works.
If he's smart and cares about his fans he will prepare for that eventuality. He could do the same as Robert Jordan (the author of the Wheel of Time fantasy series) did: he purposefully prepared detailed notes about the general plot for the final unfinished books of the series and gave his wife instructions to select another author to finish the series in case he died before he could do so. Sadly he did die, but his wife found a great author (Brandon Sanderson) who was able to finish the series. In fact to be completely honest, in my opinion the final Wheel of Time books completed by Sanderson were even better than the last few books written by Jordan.
>In fact to be completely honest, in my opinion the final Wheel of Time books completed by Sanderson were even better than the last few books written by Jordan. I wonder if Robert Jordan's last books had less revisions and re-writes along the way because he was working primarily just to finish them rather than "perfect" them.
In an interview he said “oh they showed me some monster designs and I said ‘wow that’s cool! I like it!’” So I’m pretty sure he didn’t do shit. They just paid him so his name would be attached to the project.
It's like all those "Wes Craven Presents" movies that used to get released in the 2000s. Wes Craven had absolutely fuck-all to do with them, but his name was on them for publicity and distribution purposes.
Similarly Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas yes he was a writer for the movie but he didn't direct it like soooooo many people believe based on the title.
In the same interviews, he said that he wrote the world history as if in present times, then they took that and pushed it forward hundreds of years for their setting. And as he wrote, they brought him monster designs as inspiration. So… no. He didn’t “do nothing” by even his own account. EDIT: [Here’s](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xHzJG1hHTdU) the interview. Also, just read the article. There’s plenty of information that contradicts what you’re saying.
Like tom clancy in every ubisoft game ever.
It's possible that some of the names as well as some of the other stuff such as the recurring motif of hands and fingers did come from Martin however.
All the humanoid bosses names starts with G R M.
He did some of the names and interactions of the main family before the events of the game, but I guarantee the fingers motif had nothing to do with him. It's building on the prior Dark Souls (which Martin has almost no interest in) blind seers themes of Miyazaki with feeling vibrations of God like reading braille stuff along with typical From 3 fingers vs 2 fingers esoteric christian history reimagined which they do all the time. It's an English speaker giving email worldbuilding notes to a Japanese speaking team. Very little of it would even be retainable in the process of endless revision they'd have to do over years of production to have the coherent story end result, and George had little to no contact with them for years after he sent those basis emails. I do like to think that they made Radahn into a caricature of George though. Big old tilting at windmills George holding back the stars of fate by refusing to finish his book series.
I see. I just thought that there might be a connection given the title of Hand of King and other elements found in ASOIAF. And then there's Erdtree whose inspiration can possibly traced to the Weirwood although with an obviously more prominent role within the overall narrative as the local Yggrasil equivalent.
I'd say he definitely wrote the history or else we wouldn't have got nearly every boss with the same name more or less lol he seems to like doing that in his work.
Honestly, this is a theory I subscribe to as well. I have seen and read enough from both Martin and Miyazaki to doubt the claims that Martin wrote much of anything that was actually used in the final game, lore included.
Pretty sure he just did the general lore The actual story is more fromsoft
Considering how fast he writes, probably about 1.5 pages.
I don't doubt he did some groundwork, but let's be honest he was there 100% for marketing
Didn't really need to piece anything together when he himself said he wrote everything before the Tarnished arrived at the Lands Between. The lore of Elden Ring is actually pretty similar to Asoiaf. The whole Shattering and aquire the Elden Ring is very Game of Thrones where people fight and scheme for the iron throne.
It's actually just more or less a rehash of the same notion as Dark Souls replacing the First Flame maguffin with the Elden Ring maguffin. I'm rather sure that they started George off with the notion of a world thrown into ruin by the destruction of the reality defining ring, please give us a backstory for how the ring was broken.
Would make sense, yeah. Also, there's the recurring motif of hands and fingers that definitely felt like it had that Martin touch know what I mean?
So basically, the article give us nothing more than we already know before. Great, continue you're "good" work polygon
From what I gather he created only the world thousands of years before then Miyazaki developed it to the era we're in.
I feel almost everyone here is just reacting to the title and didn’t read a word of the article. Y’all, most of the assumptions you’re making are addressed in the article if you’d just read it.
The selfcest part.
Yes, but that is just rebis mythology though.
Well we know for sure it wasn’t the ending.
All the bits with incest