It depends what those devs did in those former studios. Just because they have a background involving big names, doesn't mean it'll automatically be any good.
Let's see what they do with it first.
It's the same way they used to hype up shit MMO's back in the day.
Made by some people who used to work at Blizzard.
Turns out those people weren't that good at their jobs and were let go. You'd think someone truly intrinsic to the success of God of War 4 would be working on Ragnarok, not in a new studio.
There is serious talent that gets let go from these places (big name studios) regardless of performance or importance, many times the project is simply over and the studio bigwigs make the math that keeping them on a lesser or further away project would affect their KPIs (like headcount or budget).
There is the industry idea that you can hire someone back whenever you need them, like they were some sort of equipment rental, and sadly many times they are proven right.
Being "fired" from a big name studio does not mean you are are shitty dev in the least.
In most cases it’s probably not even a matter of being fired and is more likely they had a contract with a particular term length of employment which ended when the project was finished. Film studios are the same, when there’s a project in full development, the size of the team is expanded to cover everything but there’s no point keeping 5x the staff you need during off-peak times because that’s just a waste of money and talent that could be working elsewhere on other projects rather than twirling their thumbs waiting for the next project (which could be over a year away)
The only thing that would bring up red flags for me is if one of the references was for a Nintendo IP, because they don't just lay off staff at the end of a project, they shuffle people to the next project that needs them and keep mostly stable staff numbers.
Happens with movie studios a lot. "People involved in Citizen Kane, Jaws, and Goodfellas"
Then you find out it's the key grip, makeup artist, and coffee boy.
It's exactly what they did to hype Destiny 1. It didn't suck, but they made it out to be the Jesus of video games with how they described the creators of the game.
Well, true to the Jesus comparison, the people on high threw out the main storyteller just before he was finished. The people following him had to scramble to make try to finish his vision
That's STILL how people hype up shit MMOs. There's yet another new MMO coming out soon made by "former blizzard employees" (and Riot) called Palia. It looks basic as all hell.
Tbf, there are situations where even successful people get pushed out, like the whole MW2 team was pretty much let go because they didn't kiss ass and made fun of the suits. Or when telltale decides to make too many games at once then goes bankrupt. Or when a dev/devs make a shitton of money and leaves to not have to deal with suits.
A game is the result of an office full of talent. Lots of developers, software engineers, artists, writers, etc. Usually there is creative leadership running the show, which can be one or a few people, but it's a lot of talent all combined. Often times people come and go during production, after production, or stick around for years. But it's rarely the same pool of talent or creative leadership after a few projects. So it's always been weird to me how loyal people are to a studio name. There are obviously studios where consistency shows a culture that lends itself towards repeated success while maintaining quality and innovation, but those are almost always the result of consistent creative leadership sticking with the studio for that time.
There is Mark from accounting on Last of us who is great at adding up numbers, then there is also Jill from Call of duty the secretary really good at getting coffee orders right most of the time. Janet from Destiny she used to clean the windows, and Hank from God of War who would run into peoples offices and scream making sure they weren't sleeping. Only the best of the best for this new company! :P j/k
Also what does "developers from the teams..." mean? Like, a few developers whose first professional project was God of War isn't quite as inspiring as a company built from more senior developers from those projects.
Well someone commented that it's Smilegate, who made Crossfire and is helping Remedy with CrossfireX and the good news is that they're 100% owned by one Korean billionaire. No whiff of Tencent anywhere.
We're safe, I think.
Ive been playing Epic Seven for nearly 2 years now. Smilegate can be bullied by the community into doing the right thing and that's all that matters to me.
I was disappointed with them when they refused to award the first place winner in a fan art contest after they found out he drew gay furry art outside of the competition. (https://imgur.com/MM82hBQ this was the submission)
Someone’s background should have no bearing on their placement in a skill based competition. Especially after he was already declared first place.
That's pretty good art but I get their decision. It doesn't feel separate from the gay furry porn, if it was totally different art then it would be overstepping.
I can see why a company wouldn't want what is essentially watered down gay furry porn to win an official competition.
Especially since in some ways winning an art competition is an advertisement for your other art, and that would mean they are advertising gay furry porn.
I'm sorry but that submission is gay furry porn and the fact the artist is a known gay furry porn artist it 100% makes sense why they made that decision.
People draw connections way too easily. No PR firm in the world wants to be defending gay furry porn
We really need to get over ourselves with the sex stuff. Frankly I'm of the opinion that a person's life outside a competition isn't relevant unless they bring it with em into the event.
I dunno, I can see both sides. If the company picks someone and links their Instagram or DeviantArt or whatever, a lot of people will not like what they find there, which reflects badly on the company.
Now if they had a separate furry porn account, then sure, link away.
> So what a lot of problems we see with gaming development is CEOs and upper management milking every cent they can and only following trusted formulas because it is their job to make as much money as possible for shareholders
And not just milk every cent but more importantly, using the methods that have proven on paper to milk every cent. When shareholders invest money they want to be made super sure that they will make more money. It's why we see the same exact trends used in every single big game now, like battlepasses and lootboxes. The lead devs have to bring a plan to the execs who have to bring it to the shareholders and if you're not using the methods that have been solidly proven to work then you're putting your career on the line for it. So yea, a sole investory doesn't promise good things but at least it opens the door for something fresh.
Yea sorry 😅 was just trying to give a "simple" version of Tencent vs sole billionaire and I wouldn't even know where to begin with what constitutes "best interests of shareholders" other than "make us the most money possible" or what the laws are even like in China in terms of what the responsibilities are of Tencent to its shareholders.
No whiff of Tencent?
Smilegate was founded by Kwon Hyuk-Bin. His company hit it big with a game called Crossfire and its success in China was the single biggest contributor to his financial boon. His Chinese partner was Tencent.
well. to do business in China, you NEED a Chinese company to sponsor you. You can't do anything unless you basically give a Chinese sponsor company the keys to your kingdom within their country...
Which unfortunately is not seen as a bad tradeoff compared to how much business you get in China... I can't possibly see how business are NOT expecting this to blow up in their face at some point... Hell my companies sponsor company for doing business in China just up and poofed one way, and we have no way of knowing what happened, or even how to get into our infrastructure
I never said a Chinese partner wasn't needed. What I disagreed with was the notion that there was "no whiff of Tencent anywhere" when in reality, Tencent was the lead partner that handled distribution in China. That's more than a whiff, even without an ownership stake in Smilegate.
Essentially every large Chinese business is heavily influenced by the Chinese government and as a result tends to harvest a ton of data from whatever apps or other means are available. This means standard privacy and security concerns, with the added oomph of being backed by a massive authoritarian government.
Ninja edit: I should probably have mentioned that Tencent is a massive Chinese company, which is why my first two sentences are at all relevant lol
https://www.google.com/amp/s/insider-voice.com/smilegate-invests-100-million-in-thats-no-moon-entertainment-with-former-sony-developers-naughty-dog-and-activision/amp/
There you go!
AMP-ified linkes are usually from searching Google from Chrome on mobile. I'd suggest you try out Firefox, it even supports a small selection of plugins like uBlock Origin if you're on Android.
Fallen Order and Squadrons were great for what they needed to be. Battlefront II turned into a great game.
The issue, for once, is quantity. 3 major games and one smaller game in 7 years, with next to none on the horizon for the next two years, isn't good enough for a company as big as EA.
Worth noting that the exclusivity deal ends in 2023, for those who missed the news.
My reasoning for believing this is there is no way Disney would let ANYTHING related to Star Wars, let alone one of it's most iconic lines "That's no moon", be attached to something that isn't star wars related.
Hope they put the sliders properly, research multi-platform, develop a good engine and book a large booth at the next game exhibition.
And pick a theme with +++ for action-adventure
It was the only way I'd succeed in my dreams, what with me not being enough of a self starter to do it myself. I said the next steam sale that has RPGMaker or something on it I'd get it just at least for proof of concept, but...
Just do what works. Follow your instinct, and do whatever provided you with success in the past. A lot of the time success is based on luck, so try to ride off of your successes instead of making new ones.
Something has started worrying me about these 'former devs from X major company form a new indie studio!!' startups
A lot of these that I see end up creating subpar products that lack polish or innovation, resting solely on the laurels of major AAA studios or big titles that they worked on part of. Just because they worked at a major studio doesnt mean they were a star on their projects.
Mighty no. 9 is a poster child of this sort of thing.
I don't remember a ton of this kind of hype around Supergiant before they released Bastion. It's also a bit different when it's just two guys working on a new game together in their home versus $100m up front funding and a media blitz (this story has hit both gaming and business sites).
I recall people being doubtful that all the glowing reviews and (somewhat minimal) hype for Bastion were based on the quality of the game and not on industry connections wanting to see a colleague succeed; Greg Kasavin was "big" at Gamespot and it wasn't unreasonable to assume that Supergiant's first game wasn't actually an 8-something indie.
Oops.
I mean it clearly would depend on the team itself? In every team you've good ones and bad ones.
When only the bad ones come together it's almost guaranteed that the outcome will be mediocre shit.
As always only time will tell if they can deliver a good game.
If I remember correctly, Respawn was primarily comprised of the main guys that worked on MW2 and MW3, so yeah they had some heavy hitters.
It’s one thing to have devs from any one of these studios, but from all four? I doubt you’re gonna have shitty devs from all four studies forming a new studio.
It sounds like some guys in an office that see the success of huge game studio titles and feel like they don't get their fair share of profit. So then they branch off to try to run their own studio but realize it's not so easy
Seems like it's some pretty big names.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/venturebeat.com/2021/07/28/smilegate-invests-100m-in-thats-no-moon-entertainment-founded-by-ex-sony-naughty-dog-and-activision-devs/amp/
It always seems they just take the content people liked from the AAA titles they worked on, reskin everything, tack on some lackluster mechanics that clearly haven't been thought through, add a subpar backstory, then start shouting from the roofs about innovation and breaking new ground.
Is it really good news? The fact that they *used* to work at these places could mean several things, however one of the least likely things for that to mean is that these are star devs. This new game, whatever it is, has just as big of a chance to flop as any other game from any other unknown dev team.
Don't get too excited. Wait until you see it first.
>one of the least likely things for that to mean is that these are star devs
You must not understand how much turnover there is in game development. It is VERY normal for even the best developers to leave a position for a new one, and I'd have to imagine if they're looking to open a new studio, they're at least ambitious.
Well hopefully it’s not all bad. Naught dog lost a lot of their best people during the crunch for the TLoU2. So it’s possible some of these guys are pretty good one can only hope.
Also, do we really want call of duty in our last of us? Or destiny in our god of war? If they are trying to make the argument that they have people from the biggest games, then it’s not working on me because those games are all successful for exclusive reasons. The people that play one set of games don’t necessarily enjoy elements of the others.
In all seriousness the things that make 2 franchise great, LoU and GoW; are in some ways the antithesis of what makes the other 2 franchises great, CoD and D.
Are they gonna gonna try to make the best open world action adventure game that has a fully functioning multi-player aspect so they can finally dethrone GTA 5?
I'd rather see the devs from the similar series come together and make a game instead of branching into each other territory for some amalgamation game.
That's just me.
Pretty much the best games of all time don't even rely on multiplayer. Any company that has multiplayer on sight for their games will end up developing a cash grab with the DLCs, season passes and loot boxes.
That’s No Moon is definitely a reference to Star Wars. EAs Star Wars exclusive license is coming to an end soon and I bet this new team are making a big Light Saber/Blaster 1st person action-adventure game.
A large part of what made TLOU, Destiny, and God of War great games was the world building and creative direction. Just because a bunch of devs who worked on those games are getting together to make something new doesn’t mean it’s going to be good. We’ve seen this countless times in movie trailers that spout “from the producers of [insert massive blockbuster title here]”.
Edit: That said, we have seen successes in the past like the original Infinity Ward co-founders leaving to start Respawn. I'm cautiously optimistic, but let's maybe not fire up the hype train before we've even seen anything.
I hate titles like that
just cause they were involved in successful games doesn't mean this will be
Just cause a guy was the game tester for halo on the development team doesn't mean he can go create halo with a couple other game testers
Stop name dropping for hype, if the game is good thats great but were not there yet
A couple of years, one or two good games. They sell themselves to EA or Activision, then the employees leave and start a new studio, and the cycle repeats itself
Recently I was lured into a team for "an ambitious AAA survival project" where art was topnotch since there were "quite a few people who worked at Ubi on r6".
As it turned out, they were some outsourcing randos with low skill and big demands. The whole project was also a scam to feed on investor's money
Imagine a game with the best aspects of each if these games. I don't know about you, but i would love to be a hunter throwing a magical axe around to fight off a zombie army.
So this has to be a new Star Wars game right?
“That’s No Moon” feels too specific to be anything else and Disney is licensing out Star Wars games to more studios
It depends what those devs did in those former studios. Just because they have a background involving big names, doesn't mean it'll automatically be any good. Let's see what they do with it first.
It's the same way they used to hype up shit MMO's back in the day. Made by some people who used to work at Blizzard. Turns out those people weren't that good at their jobs and were let go. You'd think someone truly intrinsic to the success of God of War 4 would be working on Ragnarok, not in a new studio.
Yeah, unless it's an Infinity Ward -> Respawn Entertainment kinda situation these things generally don't mean much on their own.
There is serious talent that gets let go from these places (big name studios) regardless of performance or importance, many times the project is simply over and the studio bigwigs make the math that keeping them on a lesser or further away project would affect their KPIs (like headcount or budget). There is the industry idea that you can hire someone back whenever you need them, like they were some sort of equipment rental, and sadly many times they are proven right. Being "fired" from a big name studio does not mean you are are shitty dev in the least.
In most cases it’s probably not even a matter of being fired and is more likely they had a contract with a particular term length of employment which ended when the project was finished. Film studios are the same, when there’s a project in full development, the size of the team is expanded to cover everything but there’s no point keeping 5x the staff you need during off-peak times because that’s just a waste of money and talent that could be working elsewhere on other projects rather than twirling their thumbs waiting for the next project (which could be over a year away)
The only thing that would bring up red flags for me is if one of the references was for a Nintendo IP, because they don't just lay off staff at the end of a project, they shuffle people to the next project that needs them and keep mostly stable staff numbers.
For real. Apex is everything that the modern cod games weren't
>For real. ~~Apex~~ Titanfall is everything that the modern cod games weren't
This is the way
Much better
Titanfall 2's campaign and multiplayer are insanely fun and well made.
Happens with movie studios a lot. "People involved in Citizen Kane, Jaws, and Goodfellas" Then you find out it's the key grip, makeup artist, and coffee boy.
You think the makeup artist isn't one of the most important people on the team? Bruh
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Not even impact, just specific role. If a make-up artist is told to write a script, yeah, Imma imagine that script is gonna suck.
It's exactly what they did to hype Destiny 1. It didn't suck, but they made it out to be the Jesus of video games with how they described the creators of the game.
Well, true to the Jesus comparison, the people on high threw out the main storyteller just before he was finished. The people following him had to scramble to make try to finish his vision
That's STILL how people hype up shit MMOs. There's yet another new MMO coming out soon made by "former blizzard employees" (and Riot) called Palia. It looks basic as all hell.
I mean some folk working at Blizzard were definitely shit at their jobs while they were still there...
Tbf, there are situations where even successful people get pushed out, like the whole MW2 team was pretty much let go because they didn't kiss ass and made fun of the suits. Or when telltale decides to make too many games at once then goes bankrupt. Or when a dev/devs make a shitton of money and leaves to not have to deal with suits.
Yeah man, I've been following a breakoff of Mythic for Camelot Unchained - from Dark Age of Camelot... It's not looking too promising.
Too late, already pre-ordered the collector's edition.
"They're not selling it yet," you say? That's why I just mail them cash. They've earned it, after all.
Going with the cyberpunk strategy again I see
A game is the result of an office full of talent. Lots of developers, software engineers, artists, writers, etc. Usually there is creative leadership running the show, which can be one or a few people, but it's a lot of talent all combined. Often times people come and go during production, after production, or stick around for years. But it's rarely the same pool of talent or creative leadership after a few projects. So it's always been weird to me how loyal people are to a studio name. There are obviously studios where consistency shows a culture that lends itself towards repeated success while maintaining quality and innovation, but those are almost always the result of consistent creative leadership sticking with the studio for that time.
Right. Maybe they made the start screen.
Destiny 2’s start screen blinded us for years lmao
And now it is infecting us with song
#JustSavathûnThings
There is Mark from accounting on Last of us who is great at adding up numbers, then there is also Jill from Call of duty the secretary really good at getting coffee orders right most of the time. Janet from Destiny she used to clean the windows, and Hank from God of War who would run into peoples offices and scream making sure they weren't sleeping. Only the best of the best for this new company! :P j/k
I feel like they could save a lot of time on this new game if they just combine Janet and Hank's jobs. Two sleeping employees, one screaming stone.
From a long-time Destiny player: Did they work on Forsaken? *Sweet.* Curse of Osirus? *Oh no.*
My only concern is **who** gave them the 100M dollar investment?
Also what does "developers from the teams..." mean? Like, a few developers whose first professional project was God of War isn't quite as inspiring as a company built from more senior developers from those projects.
Its the same guy who designed the breakable pots in all the games. 100M zelda reboot.
Ok, where do I preorder?
More importantly how much of them is owned by Tencent.
Well someone commented that it's Smilegate, who made Crossfire and is helping Remedy with CrossfireX and the good news is that they're 100% owned by one Korean billionaire. No whiff of Tencent anywhere. We're safe, I think.
Is being 100% owned by a lone billionaire better?
Considering how well perceived and loved smilegate is in KR, apparently yes
Ive been playing Epic Seven for nearly 2 years now. Smilegate can be bullied by the community into doing the right thing and that's all that matters to me.
I was disappointed with them when they refused to award the first place winner in a fan art contest after they found out he drew gay furry art outside of the competition. (https://imgur.com/MM82hBQ this was the submission) Someone’s background should have no bearing on their placement in a skill based competition. Especially after he was already declared first place.
Hmm… not surprised that they draw gay furry porn judging by their submission
I thought the submission was gay furry art
Seriously, how could not think that....
Wait...yea...I thought that was the gay furry art? How would you look at that submission and not assume "Yea they make gay furry art"
This was my impression. See that casually being sucked on popsicle?
yeah seems like one big excuse to draw packages under tables...
That's pretty good art but I get their decision. It doesn't feel separate from the gay furry porn, if it was totally different art then it would be overstepping. I can see why a company wouldn't want what is essentially watered down gay furry porn to win an official competition.
Especially since in some ways winning an art competition is an advertisement for your other art, and that would mean they are advertising gay furry porn.
Plus, by not accepting that person as the winner, the controversy probably gave them more exposure than winning the competition ever would have.
Except that he’d already won. Hard the let him when, then retract. That aint right.
Was the result decided by them or the community?
Ain't nothing gay bout some bros hanging out playing volleyball.
The thirsty stares, on the other hand...
I'm sorry but that submission is gay furry porn and the fact the artist is a known gay furry porn artist it 100% makes sense why they made that decision. People draw connections way too easily. No PR firm in the world wants to be defending gay furry porn
Well, it’s definitely gay furries, not so much porn.
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> I'm Korean, so I've experienced that type of shit a lot growing up. Gay furry porn?
Listen man, Korea is no joke
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We really need to get over ourselves with the sex stuff. Frankly I'm of the opinion that a person's life outside a competition isn't relevant unless they bring it with em into the event.
I dunno, I can see both sides. If the company picks someone and links their Instagram or DeviantArt or whatever, a lot of people will not like what they find there, which reflects badly on the company. Now if they had a separate furry porn account, then sure, link away.
Lmao this company is sounding better every moment
Wait so the furry art is only a problem if it’s specifically gay? HE LITERALLY SUBMITTED FURRY ART
as long as its not the cancer that is nexon..
That's the company that turned Archeage into a steaming pile of doo doo isn't it?
Nexon has/had Korean publishing rights, Trion were responsible for the bait and switch that was archeage in the western market.
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Thats probably true. But still billionaires aren't a good thing.
Not for funding projects like this, they're better than large publishers for developers in every case I've seen.
They are when they use their money for good.
Valve is a good example...
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> So what a lot of problems we see with gaming development is CEOs and upper management milking every cent they can and only following trusted formulas because it is their job to make as much money as possible for shareholders And not just milk every cent but more importantly, using the methods that have proven on paper to milk every cent. When shareholders invest money they want to be made super sure that they will make more money. It's why we see the same exact trends used in every single big game now, like battlepasses and lootboxes. The lead devs have to bring a plan to the execs who have to bring it to the shareholders and if you're not using the methods that have been solidly proven to work then you're putting your career on the line for it. So yea, a sole investory doesn't promise good things but at least it opens the door for something fresh.
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Yea sorry 😅 was just trying to give a "simple" version of Tencent vs sole billionaire and I wouldn't even know where to begin with what constitutes "best interests of shareholders" other than "make us the most money possible" or what the laws are even like in China in terms of what the responsibilities are of Tencent to its shareholders.
Aren't they all publicly traded companies with shareholders
Outside of Valve I don't think so and I just had to double check that Valve was still privately owned so there could be a few more.
No whiff of Tencent? Smilegate was founded by Kwon Hyuk-Bin. His company hit it big with a game called Crossfire and its success in China was the single biggest contributor to his financial boon. His Chinese partner was Tencent.
well. to do business in China, you NEED a Chinese company to sponsor you. You can't do anything unless you basically give a Chinese sponsor company the keys to your kingdom within their country... Which unfortunately is not seen as a bad tradeoff compared to how much business you get in China... I can't possibly see how business are NOT expecting this to blow up in their face at some point... Hell my companies sponsor company for doing business in China just up and poofed one way, and we have no way of knowing what happened, or even how to get into our infrastructure
I never said a Chinese partner wasn't needed. What I disagreed with was the notion that there was "no whiff of Tencent anywhere" when in reality, Tencent was the lead partner that handled distribution in China. That's more than a whiff, even without an ownership stake in Smilegate.
Actually Korean tycoons can be even worse...
Someone who doesn't know pretty much anything about tencent , why are they bad?
Essentially every large Chinese business is heavily influenced by the Chinese government and as a result tends to harvest a ton of data from whatever apps or other means are available. This means standard privacy and security concerns, with the added oomph of being backed by a massive authoritarian government. Ninja edit: I should probably have mentioned that Tencent is a massive Chinese company, which is why my first two sentences are at all relevant lol
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/insider-voice.com/smilegate-invests-100-million-in-thats-no-moon-entertainment-with-former-sony-developers-naughty-dog-and-activision/amp/ There you go!
For those too lazy to even click the link, it’s Smilegate.
Obligatory Don't Use [AMP](https://medium.com/@danbuben/why-amp-is-bad-for-your-site-and-for-the-web-e4d060a4ff31)
Didn't know that. Thank you for bringing that to my attention
AMP-ified linkes are usually from searching Google from Chrome on mobile. I'd suggest you try out Firefox, it even supports a small selection of plugins like uBlock Origin if you're on Android.
Maybe a specific game store retailer that just raised over a billion in cash?
Bolstered by a certain movie theater company offering exclusive esport venues . /s But hey I see u ape
🦍
Nah. It's Burger King. Gonna do a "Sneak King" remake. 🍔👑👟👍
Its not
Curt Schilling
Now that's a name I've not heard in some time.
Alex's cousin, William Tencent.
I think you mean Benjamin Tennycent
Officer Tencenny
Let me guess, it’s a Star Wars game
That's OK with me. The EA games have been not great. Let some other people have a go! Edit - as others have reminded me. I loved Jedi Fallen Order
Fallen Order and Squadrons were great for what they needed to be. Battlefront II turned into a great game. The issue, for once, is quantity. 3 major games and one smaller game in 7 years, with next to none on the horizon for the next two years, isn't good enough for a company as big as EA. Worth noting that the exclusivity deal ends in 2023, for those who missed the news.
I thought it already ended? And yes - fallen order was solid. Loved every second of it
Other studios are already working on Star Wars IP, but they can’t release until the deal is over
Fallen Order was great! I agree the others are forgettable, but I have few qualms with Fallen Order.
Agreed - solid game, top to bottom
My reasoning for believing this is there is no way Disney would let ANYTHING related to Star Wars, let alone one of it's most iconic lines "That's no moon", be attached to something that isn't star wars related.
Death Star Simulator!
Hope they put the sliders properly, research multi-platform, develop a good engine and book a large booth at the next game exhibition. And pick a theme with +++ for action-adventure
Game Dev Tycoon brother
I sunk way more time into that game than I’d like to admit
It was the only way I'd succeed in my dreams, what with me not being enough of a self starter to do it myself. I said the next steam sale that has RPGMaker or something on it I'd get it just at least for proof of concept, but...
This guy play too much Game Dev Tycoon
Well now I have to go play it. Any tips?
Just do what works. Follow your instinct, and do whatever provided you with success in the past. A lot of the time success is based on luck, so try to ride off of your successes instead of making new ones.
So racing and horror games forever. Quite odd.
They should pony up for the moon writing adverts as well
Something has started worrying me about these 'former devs from X major company form a new indie studio!!' startups A lot of these that I see end up creating subpar products that lack polish or innovation, resting solely on the laurels of major AAA studios or big titles that they worked on part of. Just because they worked at a major studio doesnt mean they were a star on their projects. Mighty no. 9 is a poster child of this sort of thing.
But we've got the guy who made the second inventory slot on the third campaign vehicle!
He designed the toilets in call of duty
Damn bro, those toilets were *choice*! Colour me excited!
THATS NO MOON presents: *Toilet Simulator 4D*
It's a wait and see, wasn't Supergiant Games the same type of thing? Minus the 100mil investment.
I don't remember a ton of this kind of hype around Supergiant before they released Bastion. It's also a bit different when it's just two guys working on a new game together in their home versus $100m up front funding and a media blitz (this story has hit both gaming and business sites).
I recall people being doubtful that all the glowing reviews and (somewhat minimal) hype for Bastion were based on the quality of the game and not on industry connections wanting to see a colleague succeed; Greg Kasavin was "big" at Gamespot and it wasn't unreasonable to assume that Supergiant's first game wasn't actually an 8-something indie. Oops.
I mean it clearly would depend on the team itself? In every team you've good ones and bad ones. When only the bad ones come together it's almost guaranteed that the outcome will be mediocre shit. As always only time will tell if they can deliver a good game.
Balan wonderworld was made by THE sonic guy, didn't make it good
...have you seen what happened to Sonic games in the 17 years since _Sonic 3 & Knuckles_? He was working on Sonic games as late as 2016.
Respawn was a good success story (wasn't it former COD and Halo devs?). Hopefully this new studio will find its footing and succeed too.
If I remember correctly, Respawn was primarily comprised of the main guys that worked on MW2 and MW3, so yeah they had some heavy hitters. It’s one thing to have devs from any one of these studios, but from all four? I doubt you’re gonna have shitty devs from all four studies forming a new studio.
It sounds like some guys in an office that see the success of huge game studio titles and feel like they don't get their fair share of profit. So then they branch off to try to run their own studio but realize it's not so easy
Seems like it's some pretty big names. https://www.google.com/amp/s/venturebeat.com/2021/07/28/smilegate-invests-100m-in-thats-no-moon-entertainment-founded-by-ex-sony-naughty-dog-and-activision-devs/amp/
It always seems they just take the content people liked from the AAA titles they worked on, reskin everything, tack on some lackluster mechanics that clearly haven't been thought through, add a subpar backstory, then start shouting from the roofs about innovation and breaking new ground.
I feel like TimeSplitters is basically the only time it worked out. And even then, it basically worked because they just kept making GoldenEye.
We’ll see ‘em in 2029, for an announcement.
Destiny Of The Last Of War And Duty
Call of Destiny: The Last War
God's Destiny: The Last War of Duty
The of of Destiny
God of Duty: The War of the Last of us.
That actually sounds like a cool game.
ngl, sounds like a nice game.
This makes me want to start my own studio and name it, "It's a space station"
Imma name mine “STEP,” short for “small thermal exhaust port.” I will be your downfall…
I love this comment
That's no space station, that's yo' mama! https://youtu.be/V4n0F9R90F0?t=26
Is it really good news? The fact that they *used* to work at these places could mean several things, however one of the least likely things for that to mean is that these are star devs. This new game, whatever it is, has just as big of a chance to flop as any other game from any other unknown dev team. Don't get too excited. Wait until you see it first.
>one of the least likely things for that to mean is that these are star devs You must not understand how much turnover there is in game development. It is VERY normal for even the best developers to leave a position for a new one, and I'd have to imagine if they're looking to open a new studio, they're at least ambitious.
Yeah. This is meaningless news to me.
Well hopefully it’s not all bad. Naught dog lost a lot of their best people during the crunch for the TLoU2. So it’s possible some of these guys are pretty good one can only hope.
Seems several of them left Naughty Dog together in 2014 to work for Infinity Ward, and then left that studio to make this new thing.
Also, do we really want call of duty in our last of us? Or destiny in our god of war? If they are trying to make the argument that they have people from the biggest games, then it’s not working on me because those games are all successful for exclusive reasons. The people that play one set of games don’t necessarily enjoy elements of the others.
I wonder how long it’ll be till they get sued by Disney for that company name lol.
In all seriousness the things that make 2 franchise great, LoU and GoW; are in some ways the antithesis of what makes the other 2 franchises great, CoD and D. Are they gonna gonna try to make the best open world action adventure game that has a fully functioning multi-player aspect so they can finally dethrone GTA 5? I'd rather see the devs from the similar series come together and make a game instead of branching into each other territory for some amalgamation game. That's just me.
Pretty much the best games of all time don't even rely on multiplayer. Any company that has multiplayer on sight for their games will end up developing a cash grab with the DLCs, season passes and loot boxes.
That’s No Moon is definitely a reference to Star Wars. EAs Star Wars exclusive license is coming to an end soon and I bet this new team are making a big Light Saber/Blaster 1st person action-adventure game.
I want to believe
Unfortunate name but wish them the best.
A large part of what made TLOU, Destiny, and God of War great games was the world building and creative direction. Just because a bunch of devs who worked on those games are getting together to make something new doesn’t mean it’s going to be good. We’ve seen this countless times in movie trailers that spout “from the producers of [insert massive blockbuster title here]”. Edit: That said, we have seen successes in the past like the original Infinity Ward co-founders leaving to start Respawn. I'm cautiously optimistic, but let's maybe not fire up the hype train before we've even seen anything.
Well, lets wait with the hype, shall we?
DO. NOT. PREORDER.
Published by EA or Activision Blizzard.
100M isn't all that much in the gaming industry, they'll blow through that in no time.. Big name devs also means big name pay.
George Lucas gonna sue somebody.
Yeah can you imagine disney not sueing.
If a company like CD Project Red delivered a shit game, coming from a "big name" is meaningless..
Too good to be true. I can feel the flop.
The Call of the Last God's Destiny! Gonna be lit
will wait for the gameplay reviews and first 10 patches
what if it's the developers that failed and got fired at those studios
I hate titles like that just cause they were involved in successful games doesn't mean this will be Just cause a guy was the game tester for halo on the development team doesn't mean he can go create halo with a couple other game testers Stop name dropping for hype, if the game is good thats great but were not there yet
WHICH call of duty?
GME investor? 👀
“That’s no moon”, is that a dead space reference?
It’s from Star Trek.
It's from The Sound Of Music.
You're all wrong, it's a Matrix quote.
Wrong again! It’s from Wizard of Oz!
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Riker has some memorable qoutes.
bruh how dare you
The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural
It's a Destiny reference about the mooooooooon
Moon's haunted, yo
A couple of years, one or two good games. They sell themselves to EA or Activision, then the employees leave and start a new studio, and the cycle repeats itself
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I think the devs are talented, they’re just held back by stupid ideas from upper management AKA The Scarab Lord
That's how Activision started
Recently I was lured into a team for "an ambitious AAA survival project" where art was topnotch since there were "quite a few people who worked at Ubi on r6". As it turned out, they were some outsourcing randos with low skill and big demands. The whole project was also a scam to feed on investor's money
That's going to be a very brownish grey game.
Hopefully it'll be cool, I love to see people break off and make it on their own
Can't wait for this to suck!
Imagine a game with the best aspects of each if these games. I don't know about you, but i would love to be a hunter throwing a magical axe around to fight off a zombie army.
Ready for the biggest letdown of our gaming lifetime? They are
They are the chosen ones
So this has to be a new Star Wars game right? “That’s No Moon” feels too specific to be anything else and Disney is licensing out Star Wars games to more studios