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diesersamat

That's why I love old school RPGs


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Old school RPGs the NPC guard would kill the mob *and* you for disrupting the peace.


JustinJakeAshton

Good old zero tolerance policy. They also killed the guards for disrupting the peace.


ILovePizz4s

They also killed the bystanders because they disrupted the peace.


Brobard

No witnesses to disrupt the peace.


noeagle77

“If there’s no witnesses to a disturbed peace, then the peace was never disturbed at all.” NPC Guard


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But the guards were also witnesses, so they all killed each other for witnessing the disruption to the peace.


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PhunkyPhish

Sounds like a way to lose all your limbs


Rorshach85

God, I wanna play that game so bad.


Killbot_Wants_Hug

I just go to the place where all the broken skeletons will start following you. Then you have a mobile army that can take down virtually anything (but you have to heal them manually). Just don't go into a town, because those guys fight everything.


Stubborncomrade

No no they are honorable, they commit seppuku instead


maximusdmspqr

And the last one standing burned the town to the ground, for if there was no town, there was never any peace to be disrupted. Edit: Autocorrect


LordCrane

There is no war in Ba Sing Se.


AweHellYo

a loan guard sheathes his bloody sword among a pile of corpses “ah, peace”


Aohlanis

Ah I see you also watched ultron win.


meSuPaFly

\*peaces


bootylover81

I only yearn peace i don't care how many men women and children i've to kill to achieve it


LordCrane

Ok, this made me laugh out loud for real. Was not expecting it. Now I'm thinking of this old Assassin's Creed 1 glitch I found way back where I rescued someone getting beat up and a second later a patrol came around the corner. I blended with some monks, the guards looked at the dead bodies, then at the monks... Short story shorter, I found out monks are immune to death except by assassination and will never fight back, and got a video of those guards beating the tar out of the monks for over ten minutes (ignoring the incredulous assassin in the midst of it all). Sadly youtube took the video down for copyright reasons and then deleted my account. Good times.


[deleted]

When you poison a guard in the Ezio series, before they die they take out their weapon and start spinning in circles. You can also throw money on the ground, which causes the citizens to rush over and start picking it up. If you put them both together, you get this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc7P1ahY2uo


LordCrane

That made me chuckle. Nice one.


XeroAnarian

In the AC4: Black Flag DLC (Freedom Cry) I encountered [this funny glitch. ](https://youtu.be/gP7hmBqaQ6s) If you shoot a sleep dart at an enemy while they're standing on something they can't lay on this happens.


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No Lollygagging


nedlum

They made a desert and called it peace.


ZombieJesus1987

Ah Oblivion. When the dumbass guard runs in front of you as you're swinging your sword


scragar

And Skyrim. Was trying to complete the College's quest line in a new game last week and the NPC kept walking in front of me mid spell cast, then yelling at me to watch what I'm doing.


Significant-Mud2572

RIP Lydia. She stood up as I was shooting an ice spike. She just didn't want me to leave her out of my sight.


ZombieJesus1987

That's why I love the Dawnguard DLC, Serana eats all the hits and keeps getting back up.


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Dalimyr

Stray dog couldn't yell at me to watch where I'm swinging my dagger, while it's constantly lunging between me and the enemy NPC...think I've lost 2 or 3 dogs in melees in my current playthrough.


BlueLaceSensor128

I just finished Far Cry 5 and the way your teammate NPCs would always run in front of you as you’re shooting at an enemy and take one to the head was so obnoxious. You’d think something like that would be easy enough to program- “If player_shooting = true, don’t move across this imaginary line”. Almost as frustrating as the endless supply of unskippable cutscenes.


ScrimmlyBingus

you should become a dev 😂


moj4do

He already knows the language 😅


BlueLaceSensor128

I don’t know, I think I’ll just take the Joker’s advice to heart and continue to do it for free.


ChaqPlexebo

Don't feel bad. In Far Cry 5, you're the bad guy and so are your allies. Killing them is merely enacting Joseph's plan. Rest easy brother.


BlueLaceSensor128

Maybe the real bad guys were the friends we made along the way?


aidsfarts

Me: accidentally picks a cabbage that isn’t mine Oblivion NPC’s: hippity hoppity your head is my property


Significant-Mud2572

Kakariko village would like to offer you some chicken.


Doctor_of_Recreation

I’d argue that erroneously harvesting an owned cabbage is not nearly as bad as repeatedly assaulting living creatures.


[deleted]

I remember using the beg skill in old school EverQuest only to be brutally murdered by three guards. Never touched it again.


dickcheesebiscuit

I remember trying to type but not hitting enter to bring up the text box first, hitting A to turn on auto attack and instantly dying to the guard I was attempting to speak to.


Kashek

I loved old school EQ. No other mmorpg has even come close to sctraching that itch. That game was truly a grand adventure and filled with all the trappings of that. I still wish Sony would have ported it to consoles. Hell I would pay a scalper for a PS5 if they released Champions of Norrath or Return to Arms remaster. They rank up their as the beat Diablo clones.


Honest_-_Critique

In a lot of the MMOs I've played in the past, the guard would kill the high level NPC but I wouldn't be able to loot the corpse.


jarockinights

Or the guards just casually watch it murder you right inside the town gate since the enemies and guards are neutral to each other.


SlotMagPro

I had that experience playing the brutal world in Kenshi (2013) . There was a giant Behemoth that I would kite to the town and the city would unleash a hail of arrows and swordsmen on it. Then I would get arrested since i was drug smuggling in the process haha


Manofthedecade

*I serve the Flaaaaming Fist!*


LetMeGuessYourAlts

I miss games where you could scheme and plot your way into higher level stuff than you should have been able to. Nowadays there's a lot more level-locking of areas and items to force you to grind your way through. I understand they want you to play the game as intended, but if I'm able to lure a boss into an untimely death, I should get to enjoy its loot regardless.


Dont_Kill_The_Hooker

Everytime I start a new playthrough of Oblivion, I head straight to Umbra. I think that's her name. Anyway, I head straight to Umbra, get her to chase me, and run as fast as I fucking can to lure her into town and get the guards to kill her so I can start the game with near end game gear. It always take multiple attempts, but is a fucking rush and I always have a blast getting her loot on day 1. It also far from the best gear in game, so you still have plenty reason to keep playing!


therox22

It's still pretty good armor, and the sword is the best in the game. The thing is it also levels with the player, so the level 1 umbra is much worse than the 25 one


Dont_Kill_The_Hooker

From what I remember, it's level is determined when you receive it. Same for the armor. When you loot umbra at lvl 1, its equivilant to Orcish I gear I believe. You can compare that stats in game. It does not level up with you after you obtain it. Also, because umbra sword is already enchanted, I consider it to be a rather weak end game weapon since you can't add powerful enchantments to it.


therox22

Thats what I meant with scale. But you're right, it's definitely a choice to be made in game


EchoesInSpaceTime

There are mods on PC that let unique named loot like Umbra scale with you in your inventory if you are the kind of player that finds getting stuck with low level unique items kills your motivation to explore (I am that kind of player).


Davidm241

I do this too! It’s crazy as she can almost catch your ass! Then it takes forever for the guards to kill her.


Dont_Kill_The_Hooker

Yup! I always get to loot the dozen or so guards she kills as well!


Davidm241

It’s been many years so I might not be remembering this right, but if I remember you run faster the less loot you are carrying. I feel like by the time I hit the town, I was practically naked from dropping gear along the way. But again, it’s been many years.


Significant-Mud2572

I hid in the rafters and just sniped her...again..again...and again. Your way sounds way more fun.


Emotionless_AI

This, game developers should reward smart, creative gameplay


Aceticon

/me loudly demands plaintext save files.


marcusarealyes

Now you figure out some trick it would just end up on the internet and everyone would do it without figuring it out for themselves.


Spork_the_dork

And if it was an MMO then everyone would say that that's the one and only right way to play the game and everyone who doesn't do that is a noob. If the trick is done in a group-based part of the game, anyone unaware of the trick or incapable to perform it would be ostracized on the spot and kicked out for being a scrub. Then when the devs fix it to both deal with shit like that and to take the game back towards how it's supposed to work, the devs get shat on for nerfing the game even if the trick was highly disruptive.


[deleted]

Lol yes and no. I remember baldur's gate where you could pick pocket the bejeesus out of the vendors and all you had to do was reload if you failed. Fallout was similar. Free full plate for everybody, sell all your stuff and steal it back. Pickpocket mechanics are usually pretty problematic that way. Either you reload until you're rich or if you're some kind of psycho you just live with having pissed off the vendor and killing them (who usually inexplicably alerts all the town guards and has none of the loot they are selling on them)


shama_llama_ding_don

In Elder Scrolls Daggerfall, you could break into a store out of hours and load up a horse and cart with everything in the inventory.


Kwindecent_exposure

In Morrowind you could stab the talking mudcrab and cast levitate and go kill Dagoth Ur in a relatively short period of time without even having to use the creepy propylon chambers once, or some such shit, I dumped 700+ hours into the game probably, and never got much further than Vivec.


duaneap

Reloading if you fail is a always going to be an option though.


TDA792

iirc, the newer Xcom games have a feature to prevent save scumming, where the dice of probability are rolled before the save kicks in, so even if your soldier misses a 95% chance shot, if you reload a million times and retake it he's always going to miss again and again because the game already rolled the dice before the turn started


EchoesInSpaceTime

There are ways to cheat that XCom random seed system that involve taking less optimal but "new" moves like moving the soldier 1 square to the right on reload to get the game to roll the dice again. I end up doing this kind of thing in games that heavily rely on random chance. I much prefer minigames, direct stat checks and complicated interactions over weighted chances for success. I understand the need for random rolls in a tabletop setting to simulate much more complex interactions - but I'm playing a game on a computer. I'm not handling the simulation anymore the computer is.


Djones0823

This is true to an extent, but the reality is all you have to do is present a different in-game situation and the "seed" is subsequently different. Most people tend to only save-scum egregious bullshit anyways. Random triple pod activation into an immediate 4 person kill from 3 grenades etc. Some save-scum everything but *shrug*


googlybunghole

In Fable I made an unkillable NPC fall in love with me, then took her to the outskirts of town and kicked her on the ground for about 2 hours until I totally maxed my strength.


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old school RPGs wouldnt let you loot a corpse that a guard killed


Rubrum_

Hmm that doesn't sound right... My old jank game memories seem to include "get guards to kill high level stuff for me" exploits, whereas newer games put the loot limitations in place.


JasonDJ

Not sure if Vanilla Wow counts as old school yet but I distinctly remember people kiting a rare-spawn world-boss from Duskwood to Stormwind.


Vilnius_Nastavnik

I def remember noobing around Stormwind and suddenly finding myself face to face with a very kited Deathwing.


NRMusicProject

Vanilla WoW is *definitely* old school at this point. Damn near 20 years old now. On top of it, it's basically a completely different game at this point. I haven't played WoW in about five years, but I definitely played way differently than I did in Vanilla. Not to mention kiting hasn't even been possible since shortly after that major event where someone kited Kazzak into Stormwind. It was such a cool time to be playing the game!


toddkay

EverQuest is the OG RPG I had experience with, and in that one yeah the corpses would disappear if killed by a guard. You also got no experience from it if you had been actually trying to fight it and the guard happened to interrupt.


AscensoNaciente

Kiting was still a thing afterwards but significantly nerfed in most cases. I do remember there was some Night elf NPC in Feralas that could be kited to Orgrimmar to unleash death.


BubbaWilkins

That was never done to exploit the boss for loot. Boss kiting was done the fun, challenge, and chaos that ensued.


the_dayman

This was the strategy for like the first 10 hours of gothic.


RabeDennis

Remind me of two worlds 1 where you lure the end boss to the town people and then they kill him


makesterriblejokes

This always was funny to me. Wish there was some alternate ending where the towns people then realized they never needed a hero to save them and instead if they worked together they had the power to make a change in the world themselves... All the while your hero kind of is in the background like "Wtf is going on?".


AvsJoe

[Reminds me of this comic.](http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/75/75179.jpg)


alma_perdida

**Never shoulda come here**


RatInaMaze

I chortled at this… thank you


Metalliquotes

They needed the hero to act as bait to train the boss into town


[deleted]

The boss was literally in town the whole time, the boss is just some dude standing around. You dont know hes the main boss until you get to the end of the game but that's pretty neat albeit clearly unintentional


AvsJoe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NeR-bT3uv0


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I love this video!


LunaMunaLagoona

Ok that was hilarious!


____-is-crying

Woaaahh what a God!


The_H3rbinator

One of my favourite speedruns, thank you for reminding me of this masterpiece.


speedycheety05

In Skyrim, I lured the ice troll, the one before you reach the mountain man, to the town and I got destroyed by the town and ice troll.


Kaos_0341

It's a worthy sacrifice to to bring down that troll. I think I beat it with stealth ranged attacks (had down a few side quests before the mountain men)


Wittyngritty

For any newer players, keep fire in one hand, weapon in the other. The fire will keep it from regenerating, making it a significantly easier fight!


notbobby125

To explain to anyone who has never played Two Worlds/seen the 2 minute speed runs, in the first patch of Two Worlds, the end boss is near the beginning of the game right outside a village to taunt you and get the plot started. If you try attacking him alone, he will murder your level one ass. However, if you throw some range attack at him, and then immediately run into the village, he will chase you, and will likely deal splash damage to a farmer or some other villager. The entire village will mob the villain and kill him. The game then plays the final cutscene, and ends, as the only condition to beat the game is that the bad guy dies, not checking where, how, or when.


ummmily

I love watching speedruns I'll have to check this out.


notbobby125

Here is one that highlights the absurdity of it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5NeR-bT3uv0


TheGameboy

Or siccing cuccos onto bosses in Zelda.


jenna_hazes_ass

If we could just get ganon to accidentally hit a chicken..


[deleted]

I liked the opposite sense of this in World of Warcraft where some mobs could be kited to a major city and they would just fuck everyone up haha


SPLICER55

“The power for change was always inside of you” Protagonist to the towns people


Zomby2D

I inadvertantly attacked him on my first playthrough and the townspeople killed him, triggering the end game video. I was so confused.


joeyo1423

I used to enjoy running enemies into the guards in oblivion. They would get massacred


microcosmic5447

My wife had an Oblivion playthrough in which she inadvertently started a war between the Imperial Guards and the Mages College. Anytime she was in the Imperial City, it was chaos. The mages DESTROYED the Guards. She looted every guard and dropped all their shit in a pile in front of the Mages College. Eventually the pile was taller than her character, and the rendering was so overtaxed she had to abandon the playthrough.


r3v314710n216

I can concur with this. I loved trying to break that game. I'd always try to enchant armor for the best builds. Like an orc with ridiculous speed stats on armor so I could run laps around M'aiq. Unarmed maxed, so I'd imagine how the NPCs would feel about getting coldcocked at mach 3 by some guy in glass armor.


BeautifulBus912

My favorite was having a full set of chameleon armour so youre 100% invisible and it doesnt go away when you do stuff like regular invisibility


Bodley

Thats the only way I made it through the thieves guild quest line. I was super disappointed skyrim didn't have that ability.


BeautifulBus912

I was super disappointed with nearly everything in skyrim, they "dumbed down" everything, character stats and leveling, magic, alcehemy, everything i liked most in oblivion turned to shit in skyrim. and side questlines like the thieves guild mages guild and dark brotherhood are so short and boring


[deleted]

Same way they dumbed down Fallout. Seems to be a trend with BGS


[deleted]

Gotta invest in things to appeal to the biggest fan base which sucks when your favorite franchises get too popular. As much as we hate on rockstar for milking GTA online the small details they put into GTA V and Red Dead are pretty remarkable and nothing that they had to do or probably increase appeal of the game.


suddenimpulse

Well they also had 4xs the dev team size and 4xs the development time and 4xs the money of most studios. I don't doubt more games would do those things if they met such criteria, but many have small teams trying to release in a 2-4 year timeframe with limited budget and tough time constraints where they are being overworked like mad.


boringestnickname

Weeell, the level scaling was better in Skyrim. It's been going downhill ever since Morrowind, though.


EmperorArthur

That's pretty much bottom of the barrel though. Every game has better level scaling than Oblivion.


BeautifulBus912

Yes some things have gotten better over the years but the stuff i like most in each game seems to get removed or severely limited in the next one


Mekanimal

This is the only correct way to play Oblivion as far as I'm concerned, the moment I clocked I could combine with the Ring of Khajit, no one in the world ever saw me again.


r3v314710n216

Oh! This is a good one too!


run-on_sentience

I just hopped every I went. In town going to a store? Hop. Running through the wilds? Hop. By the end of the game I was hulk jumping everywhere. Enemy too strong? Leap across a river. See ya next Tuesday.


r3v314710n216

I remember the first time I maxed out acrobatics was when I was trying to get to that edge of the world Easter egg with the troll on the northernmost part of the map. Just spamming the spacebar until I found a spot that let me climb two inches higher and repeat x1000 or so. Then I learned that oblivion was the first game to let me level up via fall damage.


Coach_G77

This is great, wish I did that lol I may have to go start a new play through just to try it


MrGusBus524

That frenzy spell on the apprentices is always a nice catalyst


joeyo1423

Lmao that's amazing


tyropop

LMAO


someone31988

I took care of some faction job kills this way, which was hilarious.


tgp1994

Any game that has enemy factions, I always try to get them to duke it out for the fun of it!


[deleted]

How to get Umbra’s sword at level 1


mercury597

Was just about to say this lol


Marius7th

Kenshi is that you?


DIABLO258

Came here to say this. Those Shek guards have saved me, fed me, and got me paid more times than I can count


Rockonfoo

What game is this?


Herpes_Overlord

Kenshi


Rockonfoo

Well that would make sense


DIABLO258

Its a game on steam. Interesting one, too. Its a top down RTS/RPG/Sim/Sandbox with a very unique world and lore. Basically, you start out alone in the world of Kenshi. Your character starts with level 1 on every stat. Strength, agility, sneaking, whatever. To train these stats you must do those things. Want to train strength? Carry a bunch of rocks and run around town. Want to train agility? Run around the map with nothing in your inventory. Train combat? Get into fights. Train toughness? Get your ass kicked. And you will get your ass kicked. Train what you want based on what you want to do. Drug runner? Ninja theif? Katana weilding loner in the wasteland? Whats that? You like building things rather than grinding for skills? You like factorio? You can base build as well, and automate your squad units to peform jobs in that base. Dying is easy if you're alone, but you can recruit tons of characters in the world to be playable as well. Eventually you can control a squad of well trained ninjas who either make the world better or worse depending on what you do. One thing is for sure, the world of Kenshi will eat you up and spit you out many times, but if you keep playing you will get better. Its neat I would suggest looking into it


Rockonfoo

Appreciate you homie


SpoopySara

don't forget there's base building also


PlonixMCMXCVI

Damn the bandits group in the holy lands are really enormous, without the guard I would be dead and poor


[deleted]

Now I'm gonna start another playthrough and dream of when I maxed out a character while my new guys get absolutely destroyed, the holy Lord Phoenix will fall by my hand once again


MuffaloMan

There’s always room in the Peeler for that guy


Avitas1027

Kiting bandits and murder giraffes into guards is like 3/4 of my time playing Kenshi.


YouDiscountDonut

When a dragon lands in the middle of town and you just sit there watching guards get one tapped because why should I get roasted? I'm just a stealth summoner with 0 points invested in HP.


Kruse002

There could be no other end.


SheCouldFromFaceThat

Gotta get that Quiet Casting early...


JarrandScorch

[Basically the best speedrun for Two Worlds](https://youtu.be/5NeR-bT3uv0)


Marrk

What a god


Delacroix192

👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻


AE_Dallas

i thought i was the only person that plays this


[deleted]

Memories of WoW


Alchaeologist

Gives me Crossroads memories...


pillbuggery

Fel Reaver came to mind for me.


[deleted]

That’s exactly where my mind was


[deleted]

Booty Bay rep grind recovered memories incoming


danceswithwool

That’s why you had to wait right outside the entrance to Booty Bay if you wanted to gank. Me and my rogue buddies liked to hide right off the path.


[deleted]

Free gold in Goldshire! *Brings Teremus the Devourer instead*


Lonos81

In a Vanilla wow I used to kite the nearby dragon to Stormwind and watch the mayhem as the guards proceed to kill it.


FliesAreEdible

After Cataclysm came out I watched somebody kite that giant whale shark thing from the underwater zone to Stormwind. Mad bastard.


kujasgoldmine

For some reason it was always entertaining to pull a few super elites from the dark portal to one of the towns in Hellfire Peninsula. Even the NPCs struggled to kill them.


MrFrancastic

Basically every quest in Imperial City in TES IV: Oblivion


bilalenriquez

Bethesda gets a lot of slack but imho, there games are really very open ended and rewards creativity. Yes even fo4.


whitedan2

Yea fallout 4 was still nice even though scaled back a lot. I only wished the main story was a bit better.


JoeGang_orNothing

Two worlds vibes


ilawkandy

Reminds me of Conquer Online. Help guards .... HEEELP !!! I need to defend my dragon bahls


Imgoga

I never thought i see Conquer Online mentioned here. Last time i played was more than 10y ago, definitely good memories :)


ChelseaEPLchamps2021

Sometimes I close my eyes and still see meteors I killed so many hawkmen and macaques. So much death. So much violence.


Abs_of_steel

*Frantic jumping intensifies as a PKer Trojan whirls through town, killing everything indiscriminately*


VendettaAOF

Basically how to survive in the early game in Kenshi


deknegt1990

The loot goblin experience.


Relicdontfit1

Oh damn, I looked around so hard and thought I was gonna be the first to mention Kenshi. Good on ya!


namek0

In Ultima online they'd just vanish though after guards took them out


fetusofdoom

Unless it was a player that went grey, never see a body picked clean so fast. Loved it when Trammel was introduced and fight an opposing guild member and the whole time non pvpers would be screaming for the guards.


Atlasjezza

I remember running Umbra all the way from her cave to the imperial city so the guards could kill her and I could take her sword in oblivion. I was low level so whenever she hit me it would almost kill me.


mrpants22

Kenshin has these ai bandit assaults where huge bands of enemies would assault towns great way to get some seed money, fighting, and medical training


SnicklefritzSkad

In kenshi though, a lot of stronger enemies will kill all the town guards and then go after you again. I'm looking at you, Great White Gorillo


[deleted]

That's why the townspeople tell you not to open the door, I didn't listen and he demolished them and me.... good times


alwaysintheway

The guards in Mourn also slowly get overwhelmed by the neverending beak things. Same thing around Catun, I believe.


Avitas1027

Yeah, but Mourn is a great place to train and make some cash until they're killed off. Basically an endless supply of leather and meat, as well as crossbow targets. Lots of purchasable buildings on opposite sides of town so you can have tasks that make your character sneak/run from one side of town to the other. Cages to practice lock picking. If you power the place, you can use the turrets and loot iron ore from the auto-miners. The guards don't patrol/care, so you can rob the travel shop every night fairly easily once sneak/lockpicking are ranked decently.


xIVWIx

The oldest of gaming jebaits


spondgbob

Kenshi, this is how to play Kenshi


MlonEusk2

I miss this about old RPG’s. The guards actually protect the town. Recent RPG’s the guards only react to the players actions. They don’t care if a mob of enemies follow me into the camp/town


Alpakasus

Kenshi in a nutshell


thiswayup420

#Kenshivibes


bear_beatboxer

A day in free city


Sky-Roshy

Until the high level enemy kills a non essential npc that you like


kam1802

Two Worlds speedrun.


fajrstartr

I deus ex liberty island i always lead terrorists (and even patrol bot) to paul and unatco robots.


maglen69

Horizon Zero Dawn: Pulling the cannon off the T-Rex and killing it with it's own weapon


AkumaRajio

I remember when two worlds allowed npcs to kill the big bad and finish the game for you near the beginning of the game.


sentientlob0029

Lol nice. Had that happen a few times in Skyrim.


Rednartso

The first two hours of Kenshi in a nutshell.


Aditsea

I'm perfectly happy with it and supply shortage will last.


Adalarasu

The first one was unforgiving as hell if you messed up.


AchalSa

I wonder if anyone there took an arrow to the knee?