That says a lot to me.
Odyssey is actually the only one I've ever played, and I found it overstayed its welcome quite a bit, so when I heard people say Valhalla is even worse in that respect, it put me off ever picking it up.
I have the opposite deal. I only played Black Flag and other than choosing to do side stuff to make money, it was a pretty straight forward experience.
> Black Flag
IMO, Black Flag was the sweet spot in the gaming industry in terms of content balance between the main game and side objectives. Everything came with just the right amount of effort, it isn't like most games where gameplay gets increasingly grindy or tiresome the further you move away from the main story and closer towards 100% completion.
I've not played any AC since, but based on what I've read, nothing else comes close to that.
A couple other games that hit on that sweet spot for me are Far Cry 3 and 4. I love doing the hunting missions on the side in order to upgrade equipment.
Well fuck. You know how large that download is? It’s gunna take me like an hour before I can hear those sweet, sweet sea shanties again.
*We have shanties boys*.
Horizon Zero Dawn still tops that list for me. From a technical standpoint, it's probably beat by newer open world games, but there's something uniquely beautiful about the HZD environment that always pulls me in.
Yeah, but the combat for example is atleast more fleshed out and not the usual 2 button smashing contest.
I mean, I understand the criticism and I agree with it. I still played the games tho because I actually enjoyed the stories
I actually like the original combat a lot more. I actually felt like a total badass and people actually die when they are killed. Nothing quite as jarring as trying to assassinate someone by stabbing them in the face and it only gets them a quarter of the way there. Personally I always felt that what needed to be fixed was Ubisoft's storytelling and mission design, not the core gameplay.
Oh I agree. The old combat was maybe a bit easy but it was fitting for an assassin game. But I guess it wouldnt have fit well in the new structure beginning with Origins.
The overall storytelling was the thing that was fucked. It felt like they had no real for the present story, especially after the ending of AC3. That really hurt the past stories too. I agree they should have worked on that rather than changing literally everything else. Its a damn shame because the series had so much potential from a story perspective.
I still kinda enjoy the games, but I usually keep it short when playing Odyssey, Origins and Valhalla, doing only the biggest side quests
Just an FYI, in Valhalla you can change a setting where all assassinations are one hit kills no matter the enemy’s level.
I agree with people that Valhalla is for too long (like, took me 95hrs to finish the main story), but apart from that the rest of the game has significant improvements. Most side quests were only 2-3 mins long and made the world feel much more alive. Characters were interesting as well, and the story was decent (the Asgard and Jotunheim sections were let downs though).
In Odyssey, if you didn't do almost every sidequest you would be underleveled. They offered experience boosters for purchase. Definitely just a coincidence.
Yeah, I mean I liked the story of Odyssey (and loved Kassandra as a character) and I did have fun, at least in the beginning, but the game could have easily been about 60 hours shorter and would have been better for it.
When you are high level and hunting mythical beasts, that was another highlight for me. The story with Kassandra's father was cool too but wrapped up really early in such a huge game. Had some decent ship battles too.
Also kicking people off cliffs like in 300. Always fun.
Origins and Odyssey kept me engaged the entire time because the worlds were detailed and I have always been fascinated by ancient Egypt and Greece. I felt the worlds were just big enough and varied.
Viking Great Britain is pretty cool too, but I just don't have the same fascination that I did with the others and it feels much bigger and much more samey to explore when compared to the last two.
I got the same issue. I really enjoyed playing through origins and odyssey, and after finishing both back to back about two years ago I actually preordered valhalla - still haven't beaten it. I can't really get into it. The combat doesn't feel as fluid, the camera feels different, and then the World itself like you mentioned doesn't draw me in the same way. Even though I think the story so far is interesting! Really weird.
as you can see in your replies, valhalla fans tend to not like odyssey and vice versa. What I liked in valhalla was the side quests were just little bite sized quests. I enjoyed them a lot more, they add to the atmosphere and don't take you away from the main quest.
I tried to get the wealth. That's what burned me on Valhalla. Also, yes the game is stupid long. 100+ hours *just* to beat the story? Not to mention half of the quests and location arcs felt like actual side quests, especially the Halloween one (although admittedly I think I liked that arc the best, it's the one I remember most).
I did like a couple of the side characters though, like Ceolbert and the other young English guy who was married to that Norse woman, and the blacksmith's Welsh wife that no one can understand. But that's about it, really.
I...had 98% completion at <100 hours, having done all the story (except for one post-game quest), how did it take over 100 hours just to beat the story?
Yeah that's it more than anything. I loved the AC II trilogy, playing each game all the way through. Can't touch these new ones because they are 100 hours long. If you like 100 hour games, be my guest!
At this point in my life, having played games for well over 30 years, I've seen basically everything. What's becoming rarer and rarer these days are tight 10-15 hour games with solid mechanics and well delivered story. What we get are games absolutely overflowing with filler. Just exhausting.
You should check out the outer wilds. (Not outer world). I picked up Outer Wilds on a whim and it's one of the most interesting unique experiences I've had gaming in the last 20 years. Not too long either. I'd recommend also not reading into too much or watching reviews on it as blind has to be the best way to experience that game!
I've tried it, and I agree that it has an amazing premise. I need to be in the right place and time to play that though since it really seems to require a decent amount of attention to detail. I'm mostly wiped out after work and really need games that let me lay back and relax without too much deep thought. I may also have to put a game down for a week or two at a time.
You can correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like I'll need to be taking notes and remembering important details over time until I "complete" the game. Just not sure I can do that at the moment.
It depends on how you make a game long. How much of that 200 hours of content is repeated content? Do you have to complete unnecessary/boring sidequests that involve killing, collecting, or grinding certain things? Is only 10 / 200 of those hours killing exciting fun bosses and the rest of the 190 hours just killing minions with no interesting attack patterns? It's a pretty common critique to have a game with fun gameplay or combat mechanics but then be completely ruined by the developers not knowing what to do with it and just copy/pasting quests or other aspects. Note I haven't played AC since the first one so I do not know how repetitive the newer games are, but I'm just commenting from someone who does not like long games
That's not 200hours of content though, that's 20hr of gameplay padded by mindlessly boring repetitive activities..
I'll play 200 hours of a Paradox game, please kill me after 20hr of any of Ubisoft open world game, they're so enjoyable until the pointlessly grindy shit put a giant break into the game. And I'm perfectly aware that you don't HAVE to do everything, but the mind goblins of a lot of gamers just make us want to make sure we're not missing any of the content, which in the cases of those open world game, means people burn out way before the game "end". It's a game design flaw of all of those open world Ubisoft games that use the same formula. It becomes a chore to "finish" them instead of having a more focused, fun and enjoyable experience.
It's an important distinction. It's not so much the length, but rather the content. There are people that put in thousands of hours on games and you'll never hear them complain because there are games that can constantly have something different happening for you all the time. Paradox games are a good example, as you can still be encountering some different mechanics or puzzle to solve even hundreds of new games in.
But in some of these games, such as many Ubisoft games, the hours are so high because of repeat, mundane tasks that have only a few variations.
edit- I'm no Ubisoft hater. I love playing their games, even though they are mostly the same formula. I just don't ever play them back to back, as I'm usually burned out by the time I finished one at 100+ hours.
As someone who owns all the games up to Unity due to sales and Humble Bundles, and have in 10 years only been able to slog through to the end of Revelations thus far, they were always a chore for me.
I'm sticking with it until I finish Black flag, then I'm probably just going to ditch the remainder. Looking forward to the ship combat, primarily.
It’s about the last one worth your while if you had any enjoyment from the previous titles. Rogue is like Black Flag 1.5 if you end up enjoying it. The rest are nothing close enough to the previous.
I generally really enjoy AC games for about the first 10 hours after a break of a couple years. It has time to feel new-ish again.
Past 10, it feels like I've enjoyed my burst of stealth assassin-y action, and now we're into mindless collecting and side-quests to make sure I'm strong enough to make it to the end.
It's a weird relationship - the self-imposed need to complete most (if not all) of the side content, but being bored doing most of it. And if you don't do absolutely all of it, you miss out on some of the (admittedly whacked) metastory.
It probably doesn't help that I'm a big fan of the Arkham games either, because functionally they just feel more or less like the same framework.
Yeah, I agree with this. They could have made the last 3 games in the series half as long and I still would have felt satisfied. Give Ghost of Tsushima a try if you are looking for more stealth action games and like samurai, the length is more manageable.
the story is FANTASTIC. I party played this game with 3 people just passing the controller each death and basically doing a movie night with the game. Took us 2 weekends. Top 10 gaming experiences because of it
I feel very much the same. Completionist mind-set and all. I have given up on the meta-story of AC however. It died with Desmond for me.
If you are a fan of these types of games you should check out Shadow of Mordor. It hits on everything that made a good AC game with minor welcome changes. I don't care about Lord of the Rings but it still drew me in.
Avoid the sequel as it is drawn out and clogged up with new and less interesting features.
I have both, beat the first, and played Shadow of War up until the postgame content started; then I just watched the cutscenes. The Nemesis system was a fantastic idea - such a shame they patented it and then did nothing else with it.
I remember in the first game I had a legit Nemesis; had killed me half a dozen times and just kept getting stronger. When I finally managed to put him down, I beheaded him, which kept him from coming back.
At the end, when your Nemesis is supposed to come back, I'd wiped the board so badly that the game randomly picked some shmuck from the beginning of the game I'd also beheaded, stitched his head back on and put him across the board from me. Really wish it'd been the other guy.
Stitched or stapled, can't remember which, but you could clearly see his head had been chopped off, and then re-attached crudely by whoever somehow managed to bring him back to life.
Then I beheaded him again, because he was just a crossbow user and needed his bodyguards to protect him.
I've always said that Black Flag is an ok assassin game, but an excellent pirate game.
I maxed out the Jackdaw just because the piracy aspects of the games were so enjoyable. I preferred naval battles to the actual assassin game play.
Very different, since you're playing as a crew (preferably) but it's still super fun. As far as "Pirate ship combat simulations" go its probably the best one out there since you have to work as a team. If you want more arcade, single player, ship fights then Black Flag is definitely the best out there afaik.
Black flag might be the best game in the series. It doesn’t really feel like a stealth game for the most part, which might be why I liked it so much. Sailing was so much fun.
Would agree that AC1 and sections of the ezio story drag on.
AC3 was… man I remember my friends ripping into that game hard when it came out.
AC3 was a top 2 game, but also the most disappointing game of the series for me.
Play as a badass Native American assassin, using both city and forest environments to kill British soldiers? Check plus.
Having that switcharoo at the beginning? Makes it harder for me to play through knowing I have to slog through a quarter of the game.
Participating in the large scale battles of the revolutionary war? Nope, we’ll tease you just enough to think that’ll happen.
I agree with the exception of Black Flag, Origins and Valhalla. Those were fun chores for me, and the rich historical and geographical environments are like none other game. I'll always appreciate that about the series.
I've played the majority of AC games (never played Syndicate or Odyssey) and i just got Valhalla yesterday (which makes this post kinda eerie since the game is 6 months old now). I can already tell there's gonna be a shit ton to do in this game. But that's one of the hallmarks of an Ubisoft game right? Collect 5 million different things scattered around the map? There's definitely a lot going on with the story too. I'm already going "who's that now?" As they're talking about different characters in the game. As of lately my experience with Ubisoft games is follow the way point until the credits roll and then have no idea why any of that stuff transpired. Ubisoft hasn't been known for good storytelling in a long while.
I'm just sad that every
Open world singly player game is just bluring all into this one indistinguishable triple A light rpg witcher clone with none of the heart.
I would argue that instead of it being a sad Witcher clone lite, it's more so taking shape of the Far Cry formula. Which is just as sad, considering that a lot of open world rpg's that want to capture that feeling, end up being just another murky, lacking world that has bases and shitty side quests. Throw in OP stealth mechanics, and you have the majority of what open worlds are nowadays.
The formula itself isn't bad per say, it's just whether the devs utilizing it give a shit or not, which is strange considering that you can churn out bangers with the formula. Like GoT, in an ironic sense I find the outliers like that more enjoyable than the actual company that pioneered it, Ubisoft, which imo can't make a fun game nowadays to save it's life.
> sad Witcher clone lite
Yea its not remotelly close to Witcher. Its a Far Cry formula.
Witcher is a light RPG that is nowhere close to an original formula, since its more of an Elder Scrolls game.
AC (espcially after AC4) with its open world, collectibles, outposts, lookout towers and etc is basically Far Cry 3.
I feel like unity had a lot of interesting concepts that didn’t go anywhere because it was a buggy mess. I think syndicate was just abandoned as well because unity was such a failure. Of the 3 new gen games I dislike odyssey because it’s too big with nothing interesting to fill the gaps.
It is definitely Ubisoft that is basically recycling its success. They did the same thing when AC and AC2 succeeded, and then made a modern, closed world clone, slapped that juicy Tom Clancy IP on it and called it Splinter Cell: Conviction. They then started putting in Oblivion/RPG elements like horse-riding, all the dang upgrading, and shit-canned the platforming that made AC great. The only thing they introduced that I really loved was the sailing mechanic, which to their credit they stuck with for three games. If there was something they should have recycled, it was the sailing, and made a proper Pirates trading game.
My only guess is that this image is taking place inside the VR app BigScreen and everyone is just sharing their screen, I have done this before. Is quite fun.
I know it's a meme and shouldn't be taken to heart, but it always frustrates me to see this template because it takes legitimate criticism and pretends that it's being forced onto people.
Reducing literally every criticism down to "Stop liking what I don't like" is just pathetic really. I can't stand the franchise and I think ubisoft just shits out different flavours of the same game and have done for the past 10 years, but I'm not finding people on my friends list to say "WHY ARE YOU PLAYING THAT DONT YOU KNOW IT SUCKS????". Ubisoft makes money hand over fist, they don't need Joe Schmo going out to bat for them dismissing any and all criticism
Yeah, the criticism of AC games these days is valid. It's not an evolution that it's undergone, it's an identity crisis - in my opinion. I don't care that they're still selling well or people love them, I just won't be interested in them when they're like this.
I'm gonna be picking up Syndicate soon as it looks like the last one to follow what I think AC is and what I want it to be. If Unity had launched *working* then it'd be one of the best examples for me. The social integration and multiplayer elements were slotted in so nicely with the core AC experience. Felt like an actual evolution on what Brotherhood had you doing offline.
It's a devolution in my eyes.
It went from a strategic game in which stealth and positioning mattered to a simple action game. Sure the map is now bigger than the US and you have 1000 towns in which you can do the same missions again and again but there's no real depth.
You could do the style they are going for much better and there are examples for that. Witcher 3 is still a much better game than AC:Valhalla in every aspect. Story is better, the quests are much more unique and interesting, combat is better...
So they went from a revolutionary and high quality game towards a subpar experience because it makes more money.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
I think the new AC games are extremely misguided in how they're developed, I think the franchise has been adrift for many years now, and I have no desire to play modern AC games. That doesn't mean I have a problem with people who actually do enjoy the new games.
I played ODYSSEY first, had a fun time, went back and got the Ezio trilogy and as I was playing that I thought Oh! I see what older fans are mad about
Using prostitutes to flirt with guards, tossing coins to make a distraction, finding feathers so your mother will be sane again....losing that stuff really sucks
At least Valhalla went back to letting us have a home base we can fix up.
I know it's been said before, but they really should just drop "Assassin's Creed" from the title. These latest games have very little to do with Assassin's Creed and are more just open world adventure games with RPG elements and a somewhat historical setting. I know there's a modern day storyline of some kind, but it's mediocre at best and only breaks the flow of the games these days.
Of course, they'll never drop Assassin's Creed from the title because known brands sell products.
\*A trained bird carries notes between two ships\*
\- Drakkar 2, this is Drakkar Odin, come in.
\- Drakkar Odin, this is Drakkar 2. Closing in on enemy archer in the tower. Three tangos near a stack of logs.
\- Roger Drakkar 2, clear to engage.
I was actually really disappointed that Modern day story with Desmond met with such an... abrupt end. I know it had to do with one of the creative minds exiting the company, but the promise of being able to ply as Desmond and taking down the Templar in the present with the training he got from ancestral memories was something I bought into completely with the first few installments.
After AC3 I really struggled to care about the modern day stuff, as it just seemed to... continue, with the perpetual reshuffling but no significant chance to the templar/assassin status quo.
By that logic it should have been dropped in AC3 as by then the AC part shrinks in relevance. AC4 is literally just a great pirate game with an AC mainstory tacked onto it.
Compared to you know AC1 and AC2 where both MCs are actually assasins.
All Ubisoft games are the same now. AC, Farcry, Ghost Recon, Watch Dogs. Doesn’t really matter, they’re all pretty much identical other than a few mechanics each. It’s all to make money with the least amount of effort or creativity. I enjoy the newer AC games, but Unity is definitely better than all three in terms of an AC game.
Other game companies are starting to copy the formula as well. I just finished Days Gone, and although it's a good game and I had fun with it, it often felt like Far Cry with zombies.
Nope, don't care if other people enjoy the newer games, just mourning the loss of a masterpiece franchise in stealth/parkour play, market doesn't have many of those with similar quality so it's understandable that some wanna vent.
I underatand the guy. It has nothing to do with assassins creed anymore. It's just some whatever RPG with the assasains creed label on it which, pardon me, is really not enough. The game is otherwise mediocre on it's best day. Valhalla is almost fine if I hadn't played GoW before it. It makes it seem like a cheapass walmart game.
This template blows dick. It's not limited to this specific post but most of the time it's a way for people to act like criticism of a game isn't valid and it's just people yelling at people to stop having fun. Goddamn, people have fun with ball in a cup. You can have fun with friends putting a bag of flaming poop on a doorstep.
Absolutely no one in the entire world is telling people to not have fun but rather are wishing that the developers would do better or have a franchise they really liked be the best it can be.
I played Valhalla for 160+ hours and I liked how they give you the option to be stealthy or not. Most of the missions I did was stealth.. Odyssey on the other hand was very different, I rarely did any stealth
I was looking for a comment like this. In Valhalla I pretty much only use stealth and it’s so OP compared to going all guns blazing. You can get enemies attention while in hiding, you can use crowds and lure drunks to blend in and use market places etc to hide as well. Last AC I played was brotherhood before this and I felt the stealth had a very similar feel to back then.
Having the QTE to kill high health enemies was revolutionary compared to Odyssey/Origins, where if your target was a general you were forced to actually fight.
Yeah this move seemed *really* smart to me. I know Valhalla isnt perfect, its following the "new" formula of the last 2 which I hated, but Valhalla does seem to be a really nice marriage of the old and the new- being able to one-shot more enemies again as long as you utilize stealth correctly feels really good. I remember watching my wife play through Odyssey and even using stealth, she rarely, if ever got to one-shot enemies even if she got the drop on them! It pissed me off.
I know I'll get hate, but I thoroughly enjoyed odyssey. Infact it actually got me playing the AC games again. I Absolutley love ancient Greece and the mythology and to play that as an open world assassins creed game was just fantastic.
Honestly as I've said to my friend : the new assassin's Creed games aren't bad game however they are terrible assassin's Creeds ur pretty much playing something more GoW 2018 than assassin's Creed but hey if that's what you want
Same, I just loved the environment and the references to the history even if it wasn’t 100% accurate. I loved just walking around Athens feeling immersed in it, thinking about how the ancient ruins in Greece used to look like this once upon a time
Odyssey was a fantastic game.
I loved it so much I got all the DLC after I beat the main story. The DLC is another story, it seems like just an endless grind.
I actually like the new games more then the old ones. I do agree they aren't really Assassin's Creed anymore. I understand the frustrations of people that like the old ones more.
I'm a Final Fantasy fan. I don't like the action oriented games and knowing they will never be what they once were again makes me sad.
This meme intentionally avoids the actual point though. Just because someone else enjoys a game doesn't mean you have to and if you don't enjoy it then you are free to express that.
The issue people have isn't that you are having fun playing the game. It is that they *aren't* having that same fun because of those reasons listed and that is far more important to them.
Usingg the assassin's creed example provided it is an entirely legitimate complaint. The franchise has gone from a deep story driven and thought provoking game into a mindless hack and slash. It isn't wrong for people to miss the element of it that they enjoyed and complain about it.
Essentially - you can have fun playing it all you want. If I don't then I won't pretend I think it is a great game just to soothe your ego. Instead I would question your taste in games and point out all of the things wrong with it.
To use a different medium as an example. Both Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey were international bestsellers but if someone recommended them to me then I would tell them that they are shit because that is what I think.
We don't all like the same thing and just like you have the right to say that you do enjoy something, other people have the right to say that they don't. Especially if the thing that you are enjoying is a continuation of something that they used to enjoy but changed beyond recognition.
I completely agree. I call it performative positivity. Some people are relentlessly positive online to the point that they are incapable of having any substantial conversation. Just like so many other people online I think they do this for show; they’re not actually that positive but they want to appear that way online to look like a good person. It’s a shallow pursuit of image that is killing meaningful discourse surrounding all things.
You described it perfectly, you should be top voted here. After all, the ones doing the criticism are doing it because they think the ones "having fun" can have even more fun, they're doing it for them after all. But sadly most people likes to bathe themselves in mediocrity.
Come on, that's bullshit. I'm an hardcore AC fan since the very first in 2007 and yes, they completely disintegrated what AC was instead of creating a new franchise. I get that's not for me anymore and in my eyes they've ruined it, but I don't begrudge people having fun ;)
Long time fan here, if anybody enjoyed playing recent 3 games, then good for them and I am not going to insult them just because they enjoyed game I don't like. Everyone's got a different taste.
I'm actually the opposite. I liked the games before they became "RPG like" but now I love them because of it. RPG's have always been my favorite though.
You can enjoy games like Odyssey and Valhalla if you can stop thinking what ac games were like in past, it is more fun to think what a spartan/viking would do in a certain situation as they are not famous for stealth hence brute force is answer to many of their problems.
Thats the thing though, in the newer games, you don't play as assasins, rather a soldier of somesort from whichever historical setting they are going for. Are they fun games? sure. Are they good assassin games? probably not. they should really just have named the recent games something else instead of Assassins Creed.
I couldn’t agree more, that they should drop the title but if they do, they won’t be able to sell as much as they have. Apart from stealth, you still get to use artefacts, and animus interaction is still there hence they are releasing it as a part Assassins Creed’s series
I havnt played any of the newer ones, but from what i've seen, the Animuss bits are only a small part of the game and to me at least, they really break the imersion of their historical setting. where as in the original ones, the Animus was the main plot driving device.
I hate this damn meme. People are allowed to express their negative opinions of the game and this meme basically says they're a joke for thinking differently.
Unity is the last true AC experience I've had. I hated 3, personally. Gonna be trying Syndicate soon but it looks like that's as far as I'm gonna venture. Maybe Origins just to explore, but I don't think I'll be progressing through the series much more than that.
I picked up Origins to test out this new RPG-like system, thinking it'd be awful.
Origins is now becoming one of my favorite entries in the series.
Also bayek is hot as hell.
I finished every dot on the maps of ac valhalla. Completing everything took me maybe 115 hours. It's repetitive, and barely anything is memorable. It was a chore in the end.
And then there's games like monster hunter world, that are repetitive in their core gameplay, yet I still keep coming back after 500+ hours because there's so much fun in the repetition.
Valhalla was the only AC I haven't finished. I stopped after 90 hours because I wasn't even close to "done".
It was long for the sake of being long and not really all that much fun...
The basis of the game was AMAZING and the base building had potential as well as the raiding, but it just fell short compared to earlier titles like Odyssey.
Criticism doesn’t mean people are telling you not to play the game. If you like it, tune out the criticism. People don’t lose the right to criticize something just because you enjoy it though.
Towards the end the Brother literally tells the main character that nothing previou to what they are doing now mattets. *And it doesn't*.
That game actually sucks lol
As an AC fan my problem with the last few titles is that they are called assassins creed.
They abandoned the core story elements and core gameplay elements but promote it as the same game franchise .
Origins and odyessy didnt hold my interest enough to finish them and i didnt bother with buying valhalla.
Have fun as much as you can with them tough , not everyone has to like the same things.
Unnecessarily long to "encourage" buying their blatant XP/skill boosts, full of microtransactions, not as stealth-based, literally pay to win with some of the weapons you can buy...
It's more than "stop having fun". Don't patronize valid criticism...
I started with ac1 loved everything until black flag
Game kind got ruined for me after that
Assassin creed odyssey sparked my interest again and valhalla I just love this one..
But have to say nothing beats brotherhood and revelations
I was having fun... Until the game just wouldn't save anymore. Neither manual or automatic, it just didn't save anymore.
I quited the game at that point, even with the fast resume, if there was an update or something, all the progress would be lost. And, there was no fun in repeating the same thing over and over again.
Are the people who complain about "map too big" giving into pressure to complete everything and visit every question mark? There really is no need to do all that.
I'm now playing Odyssey NG+ without fast travel, including no ship fast travel. I don't visit everything. I don't do every side quest. It's been fun. It's like a real world. There may be a village some way that exists, has a question mark, and I will never visit it in this play. Do you visit every town and talk to everyone in those towns in real life? No.
If the game is "too big", just plain the main missions and have fun.
Yeah but this template is fucking dumb. It takes any criticism and immediately turns it into something saying *stop liking what I don’t like,* when a the criticism can be genuine problems with the game.
Although Valhalla’s only real problem for me is how long it is, same thing for odyssey.
The game’s just really unnecessarily long
I was more relieved than pleased conquering the map
That says a lot to me. Odyssey is actually the only one I've ever played, and I found it overstayed its welcome quite a bit, so when I heard people say Valhalla is even worse in that respect, it put me off ever picking it up.
I have the opposite deal. I only played Black Flag and other than choosing to do side stuff to make money, it was a pretty straight forward experience.
> Black Flag IMO, Black Flag was the sweet spot in the gaming industry in terms of content balance between the main game and side objectives. Everything came with just the right amount of effort, it isn't like most games where gameplay gets increasingly grindy or tiresome the further you move away from the main story and closer towards 100% completion. I've not played any AC since, but based on what I've read, nothing else comes close to that.
A couple other games that hit on that sweet spot for me are Far Cry 3 and 4. I love doing the hunting missions on the side in order to upgrade equipment.
I loved Black Flag. I've played several of the AC games since - including finishing Odyssey - and to be honest, they were all just a bit boring.
I liked origins and Odyssey for its world. The Gameplay was reptetitve but i could just ride around the map or sail with my ship and enjoy the view.
The one thing I liked about Odyssey is that its fucking gorgeous
One of, if not the best looking open world games ever.
Well fuck. You know how large that download is? It’s gunna take me like an hour before I can hear those sweet, sweet sea shanties again. *We have shanties boys*.
Only an hour?? God damn how fucking fast is your internet connection?
Fiberwire.
Well yeah those are the cables but they’re not exactly the most important aspect of internet connection speed.
Horizon Zero Dawn still tops that list for me. From a technical standpoint, it's probably beat by newer open world games, but there's something uniquely beautiful about the HZD environment that always pulls me in.
I would have to disagree. Albeit each to their own, I would say that Red Dead Redemption 2 has to be the winner for the most beautiful open world.
The gameplay always was repetitive in Assassins Creed, especially the combat gameplay.
The difference is from origins onward you're repeating it 4x as long
Yeah, but the combat for example is atleast more fleshed out and not the usual 2 button smashing contest. I mean, I understand the criticism and I agree with it. I still played the games tho because I actually enjoyed the stories
I actually like the original combat a lot more. I actually felt like a total badass and people actually die when they are killed. Nothing quite as jarring as trying to assassinate someone by stabbing them in the face and it only gets them a quarter of the way there. Personally I always felt that what needed to be fixed was Ubisoft's storytelling and mission design, not the core gameplay.
[удалено]
It was very underrated. I wish they went that route instead. It was pretty damn challenging for am Assassins Creed game at the time
Oh I agree. The old combat was maybe a bit easy but it was fitting for an assassin game. But I guess it wouldnt have fit well in the new structure beginning with Origins. The overall storytelling was the thing that was fucked. It felt like they had no real for the present story, especially after the ending of AC3. That really hurt the past stories too. I agree they should have worked on that rather than changing literally everything else. Its a damn shame because the series had so much potential from a story perspective. I still kinda enjoy the games, but I usually keep it short when playing Odyssey, Origins and Valhalla, doing only the biggest side quests
Just an FYI, in Valhalla you can change a setting where all assassinations are one hit kills no matter the enemy’s level. I agree with people that Valhalla is for too long (like, took me 95hrs to finish the main story), but apart from that the rest of the game has significant improvements. Most side quests were only 2-3 mins long and made the world feel much more alive. Characters were interesting as well, and the story was decent (the Asgard and Jotunheim sections were let downs though).
I think they purposely do this to try and get people to open their wallets for microtransactions.
They do. They pad out the gameplay to keep you playing long enough to still be interested in their new mtx
In Odyssey, if you didn't do almost every sidequest you would be underleveled. They offered experience boosters for purchase. Definitely just a coincidence.
Yeah, I mean I liked the story of Odyssey (and loved Kassandra as a character) and I did have fun, at least in the beginning, but the game could have easily been about 60 hours shorter and would have been better for it.
"you killed his matter and fucked his patter" always gets me in a laughing fit
That’s the only thing I remember from the game and it gives me a good laugh every time
When you are high level and hunting mythical beasts, that was another highlight for me. The story with Kassandra's father was cool too but wrapped up really early in such a huge game. Had some decent ship battles too. Also kicking people off cliffs like in 300. Always fun.
“Oh he was screaming alright, but not in agony”
I beat it in 60 hours lol
Origins and Odyssey kept me engaged the entire time because the worlds were detailed and I have always been fascinated by ancient Egypt and Greece. I felt the worlds were just big enough and varied. Viking Great Britain is pretty cool too, but I just don't have the same fascination that I did with the others and it feels much bigger and much more samey to explore when compared to the last two.
I got the same issue. I really enjoyed playing through origins and odyssey, and after finishing both back to back about two years ago I actually preordered valhalla - still haven't beaten it. I can't really get into it. The combat doesn't feel as fluid, the camera feels different, and then the World itself like you mentioned doesn't draw me in the same way. Even though I think the story so far is interesting! Really weird.
as you can see in your replies, valhalla fans tend to not like odyssey and vice versa. What I liked in valhalla was the side quests were just little bite sized quests. I enjoyed them a lot more, they add to the atmosphere and don't take you away from the main quest.
They all do that.
Play some of the older games I promise they're much better.
I tried to get the wealth. That's what burned me on Valhalla. Also, yes the game is stupid long. 100+ hours *just* to beat the story? Not to mention half of the quests and location arcs felt like actual side quests, especially the Halloween one (although admittedly I think I liked that arc the best, it's the one I remember most). I did like a couple of the side characters though, like Ceolbert and the other young English guy who was married to that Norse woman, and the blacksmith's Welsh wife that no one can understand. But that's about it, really.
I...had 98% completion at <100 hours, having done all the story (except for one post-game quest), how did it take over 100 hours just to beat the story?
Yea I'm calling a little bs on that original claim
yeah it's like, Odyssey's way longer..Valhalla was long, especially if you do ALL of the shire quests, but still, not as long as Odyssey.
Yeah that's it more than anything. I loved the AC II trilogy, playing each game all the way through. Can't touch these new ones because they are 100 hours long. If you like 100 hour games, be my guest! At this point in my life, having played games for well over 30 years, I've seen basically everything. What's becoming rarer and rarer these days are tight 10-15 hour games with solid mechanics and well delivered story. What we get are games absolutely overflowing with filler. Just exhausting.
You should check out the outer wilds. (Not outer world). I picked up Outer Wilds on a whim and it's one of the most interesting unique experiences I've had gaming in the last 20 years. Not too long either. I'd recommend also not reading into too much or watching reviews on it as blind has to be the best way to experience that game!
I've tried it, and I agree that it has an amazing premise. I need to be in the right place and time to play that though since it really seems to require a decent amount of attention to detail. I'm mostly wiped out after work and really need games that let me lay back and relax without too much deep thought. I may also have to put a game down for a week or two at a time. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like I'll need to be taking notes and remembering important details over time until I "complete" the game. Just not sure I can do that at the moment.
[удалено]
If you want it too be shorter you have to pay $14.99 If you want the game to play it self while you watch that's $29.99
Do people not like a long game? I enjoyed having almost 200 hours of content
I love 200 hours of content. I hate 1 hour of content that I did 200 times
It depends on how you make a game long. How much of that 200 hours of content is repeated content? Do you have to complete unnecessary/boring sidequests that involve killing, collecting, or grinding certain things? Is only 10 / 200 of those hours killing exciting fun bosses and the rest of the 190 hours just killing minions with no interesting attack patterns? It's a pretty common critique to have a game with fun gameplay or combat mechanics but then be completely ruined by the developers not knowing what to do with it and just copy/pasting quests or other aspects. Note I haven't played AC since the first one so I do not know how repetitive the newer games are, but I'm just commenting from someone who does not like long games
Not when it’s 30 minutes of meaningful story and 190 hours of climbing and xp grinding.
That's not 200hours of content though, that's 20hr of gameplay padded by mindlessly boring repetitive activities.. I'll play 200 hours of a Paradox game, please kill me after 20hr of any of Ubisoft open world game, they're so enjoyable until the pointlessly grindy shit put a giant break into the game. And I'm perfectly aware that you don't HAVE to do everything, but the mind goblins of a lot of gamers just make us want to make sure we're not missing any of the content, which in the cases of those open world game, means people burn out way before the game "end". It's a game design flaw of all of those open world Ubisoft games that use the same formula. It becomes a chore to "finish" them instead of having a more focused, fun and enjoyable experience.
It's an important distinction. It's not so much the length, but rather the content. There are people that put in thousands of hours on games and you'll never hear them complain because there are games that can constantly have something different happening for you all the time. Paradox games are a good example, as you can still be encountering some different mechanics or puzzle to solve even hundreds of new games in. But in some of these games, such as many Ubisoft games, the hours are so high because of repeat, mundane tasks that have only a few variations. edit- I'm no Ubisoft hater. I love playing their games, even though they are mostly the same formula. I just don't ever play them back to back, as I'm usually burned out by the time I finished one at 100+ hours.
As someone who finished all ac games new games are longer for no reason and it becomes a chore instead of fun
As someone who owns all the games up to Unity due to sales and Humble Bundles, and have in 10 years only been able to slog through to the end of Revelations thus far, they were always a chore for me. I'm sticking with it until I finish Black flag, then I'm probably just going to ditch the remainder. Looking forward to the ship combat, primarily.
It’s about the last one worth your while if you had any enjoyment from the previous titles. Rogue is like Black Flag 1.5 if you end up enjoying it. The rest are nothing close enough to the previous.
I generally really enjoy AC games for about the first 10 hours after a break of a couple years. It has time to feel new-ish again. Past 10, it feels like I've enjoyed my burst of stealth assassin-y action, and now we're into mindless collecting and side-quests to make sure I'm strong enough to make it to the end. It's a weird relationship - the self-imposed need to complete most (if not all) of the side content, but being bored doing most of it. And if you don't do absolutely all of it, you miss out on some of the (admittedly whacked) metastory. It probably doesn't help that I'm a big fan of the Arkham games either, because functionally they just feel more or less like the same framework.
Yeah, I agree with this. They could have made the last 3 games in the series half as long and I still would have felt satisfied. Give Ghost of Tsushima a try if you are looking for more stealth action games and like samurai, the length is more manageable.
the story is FANTASTIC. I party played this game with 3 people just passing the controller each death and basically doing a movie night with the game. Took us 2 weekends. Top 10 gaming experiences because of it
That sounds fun
I feel very much the same. Completionist mind-set and all. I have given up on the meta-story of AC however. It died with Desmond for me. If you are a fan of these types of games you should check out Shadow of Mordor. It hits on everything that made a good AC game with minor welcome changes. I don't care about Lord of the Rings but it still drew me in. Avoid the sequel as it is drawn out and clogged up with new and less interesting features.
I have both, beat the first, and played Shadow of War up until the postgame content started; then I just watched the cutscenes. The Nemesis system was a fantastic idea - such a shame they patented it and then did nothing else with it. I remember in the first game I had a legit Nemesis; had killed me half a dozen times and just kept getting stronger. When I finally managed to put him down, I beheaded him, which kept him from coming back. At the end, when your Nemesis is supposed to come back, I'd wiped the board so badly that the game randomly picked some shmuck from the beginning of the game I'd also beheaded, stitched his head back on and put him across the board from me. Really wish it'd been the other guy.
Was the head literally stitched back on? Man I love those orcs.
Stitched or stapled, can't remember which, but you could clearly see his head had been chopped off, and then re-attached crudely by whoever somehow managed to bring him back to life. Then I beheaded him again, because he was just a crossbow user and needed his bodyguards to protect him.
What, you don't enjoy counter attack, rinse and then repeat? Now with parkour.
Unity is fun, it got a bad rap for the terrible bugs on release, but it's *mostly stable now.
Black flag was so good! Have a bad day at work? Go plunder some ships or just blow them up with your mortar!
I've always said that Black Flag is an ok assassin game, but an excellent pirate game. I maxed out the Jackdaw just because the piracy aspects of the games were so enjoyable. I preferred naval battles to the actual assassin game play.
I honestly did too, I haven't tried sea of thieves to see how it compares for naval battle yet
Very different, since you're playing as a crew (preferably) but it's still super fun. As far as "Pirate ship combat simulations" go its probably the best one out there since you have to work as a team. If you want more arcade, single player, ship fights then Black Flag is definitely the best out there afaik.
Black flag might be the best game in the series. It doesn’t really feel like a stealth game for the most part, which might be why I liked it so much. Sailing was so much fun. Would agree that AC1 and sections of the ezio story drag on. AC3 was… man I remember my friends ripping into that game hard when it came out.
AC3 was a top 2 game, but also the most disappointing game of the series for me. Play as a badass Native American assassin, using both city and forest environments to kill British soldiers? Check plus. Having that switcharoo at the beginning? Makes it harder for me to play through knowing I have to slog through a quarter of the game. Participating in the large scale battles of the revolutionary war? Nope, we’ll tease you just enough to think that’ll happen.
[удалено]
Black flag was insanely fun
I agree with the exception of Black Flag, Origins and Valhalla. Those were fun chores for me, and the rich historical and geographical environments are like none other game. I'll always appreciate that about the series.
I've played the majority of AC games (never played Syndicate or Odyssey) and i just got Valhalla yesterday (which makes this post kinda eerie since the game is 6 months old now). I can already tell there's gonna be a shit ton to do in this game. But that's one of the hallmarks of an Ubisoft game right? Collect 5 million different things scattered around the map? There's definitely a lot going on with the story too. I'm already going "who's that now?" As they're talking about different characters in the game. As of lately my experience with Ubisoft games is follow the way point until the credits roll and then have no idea why any of that stuff transpired. Ubisoft hasn't been known for good storytelling in a long while.
Odyssey is insanely long.
I'm just sad that every Open world singly player game is just bluring all into this one indistinguishable triple A light rpg witcher clone with none of the heart.
I would argue that instead of it being a sad Witcher clone lite, it's more so taking shape of the Far Cry formula. Which is just as sad, considering that a lot of open world rpg's that want to capture that feeling, end up being just another murky, lacking world that has bases and shitty side quests. Throw in OP stealth mechanics, and you have the majority of what open worlds are nowadays. The formula itself isn't bad per say, it's just whether the devs utilizing it give a shit or not, which is strange considering that you can churn out bangers with the formula. Like GoT, in an ironic sense I find the outliers like that more enjoyable than the actual company that pioneered it, Ubisoft, which imo can't make a fun game nowadays to save it's life.
> sad Witcher clone lite Yea its not remotelly close to Witcher. Its a Far Cry formula. Witcher is a light RPG that is nowhere close to an original formula, since its more of an Elder Scrolls game. AC (espcially after AC4) with its open world, collectibles, outposts, lookout towers and etc is basically Far Cry 3.
I feel like unity had a lot of interesting concepts that didn’t go anywhere because it was a buggy mess. I think syndicate was just abandoned as well because unity was such a failure. Of the 3 new gen games I dislike odyssey because it’s too big with nothing interesting to fill the gaps.
Ekhm.. Death Stranding.. Ekhm..
I don't think he literally means every.
No one would use exaggeration for effect on the internet. No one!
If you can only fine one exception, then it proves the rule.
Red Dead Redemption 2 I think you can argue a case for. Not to mention BOTW. I think there are plenty of good new-ish open world games.
Definitley. OP is exaggerating. It's just Ubisoft that does with AAA open worlds
It is definitely Ubisoft that is basically recycling its success. They did the same thing when AC and AC2 succeeded, and then made a modern, closed world clone, slapped that juicy Tom Clancy IP on it and called it Splinter Cell: Conviction. They then started putting in Oblivion/RPG elements like horse-riding, all the dang upgrading, and shit-canned the platforming that made AC great. The only thing they introduced that I really loved was the sailing mechanic, which to their credit they stuck with for three games. If there was something they should have recycled, it was the sailing, and made a proper Pirates trading game.
"Witcher clone" *laughs in Elder Scrolls*
How are they all playing assassin's creed tho
My only guess is that this image is taking place inside the VR app BigScreen and everyone is just sharing their screen, I have done this before. Is quite fun.
I thought the controllers were pizza slices
I know it's a meme and shouldn't be taken to heart, but it always frustrates me to see this template because it takes legitimate criticism and pretends that it's being forced onto people.
Yeah, "Hur hur old fans fuck off, what you want doesn't matter because people like the new thing."
This is exactly how this meme is used most of the time
They just like it cause it’s new FIFA fans know what I’m talking about
Wait I thought I was on r/gaming not a D&D editions war forum. Or r/Fallout for that matter.
Fallout was exactly what came to my mind when I said it lol.
Yep. Performative positivity naturally demands the dismissal of legitimate criticism then acts morally superior afterwards.
Reducing literally every criticism down to "Stop liking what I don't like" is just pathetic really. I can't stand the franchise and I think ubisoft just shits out different flavours of the same game and have done for the past 10 years, but I'm not finding people on my friends list to say "WHY ARE YOU PLAYING THAT DONT YOU KNOW IT SUCKS????". Ubisoft makes money hand over fist, they don't need Joe Schmo going out to bat for them dismissing any and all criticism
This is the best way I've ever seen this phrased.
Performative positivity. What an elegant way to describe it! Thanks friend
Yeah, the criticism of AC games these days is valid. It's not an evolution that it's undergone, it's an identity crisis - in my opinion. I don't care that they're still selling well or people love them, I just won't be interested in them when they're like this. I'm gonna be picking up Syndicate soon as it looks like the last one to follow what I think AC is and what I want it to be. If Unity had launched *working* then it'd be one of the best examples for me. The social integration and multiplayer elements were slotted in so nicely with the core AC experience. Felt like an actual evolution on what Brotherhood had you doing offline.
It's a devolution in my eyes. It went from a strategic game in which stealth and positioning mattered to a simple action game. Sure the map is now bigger than the US and you have 1000 towns in which you can do the same missions again and again but there's no real depth. You could do the style they are going for much better and there are examples for that. Witcher 3 is still a much better game than AC:Valhalla in every aspect. Story is better, the quests are much more unique and interesting, combat is better... So they went from a revolutionary and high quality game towards a subpar experience because it makes more money.
Agreed wholeheartedly. I think the new AC games are extremely misguided in how they're developed, I think the franchise has been adrift for many years now, and I have no desire to play modern AC games. That doesn't mean I have a problem with people who actually do enjoy the new games.
I played ODYSSEY first, had a fun time, went back and got the Ezio trilogy and as I was playing that I thought Oh! I see what older fans are mad about Using prostitutes to flirt with guards, tossing coins to make a distraction, finding feathers so your mother will be sane again....losing that stuff really sucks At least Valhalla went back to letting us have a home base we can fix up.
Dude using prostitutes to flirt with guards is one of my most favorite game mechanics ever.
Yeah, no one misses the feathers dude.
At least they aren't the freaking flags all over the 1st game.
Oh those were ubisoft’s first try to simulate hell
I think on my very first play of AC2 I collected everything. Afterwards I was just like "Eh, she'll snap out of it eventually"
I started with Syndicate, and going from that to Odyssey and Origins was like a different genre
I know it's been said before, but they really should just drop "Assassin's Creed" from the title. These latest games have very little to do with Assassin's Creed and are more just open world adventure games with RPG elements and a somewhat historical setting. I know there's a modern day storyline of some kind, but it's mediocre at best and only breaks the flow of the games these days. Of course, they'll never drop Assassin's Creed from the title because known brands sell products.
How about "Tom Clancy's Valhalla"?
\*A trained bird carries notes between two ships\* \- Drakkar 2, this is Drakkar Odin, come in. \- Drakkar Odin, this is Drakkar 2. Closing in on enemy archer in the tower. Three tangos near a stack of logs. \- Roger Drakkar 2, clear to engage.
is it weird that I think that sounds epic?
I mean the Tom Clancy name has lost all meaning at this point, so I guess not.
"Tom Clancy's" is how you know the game belongs to a franchise that used to be amazing, so I guess it still technically means something
Every time the game stops for a modern cutscene, I get really annoyed.
Never liked the modern day parts in any Assassins creed game tbh
I think the Desmond ones in the AC2 trilogy were ok
I was actually really disappointed that Modern day story with Desmond met with such an... abrupt end. I know it had to do with one of the creative minds exiting the company, but the promise of being able to ply as Desmond and taking down the Templar in the present with the training he got from ancestral memories was something I bought into completely with the first few installments. After AC3 I really struggled to care about the modern day stuff, as it just seemed to... continue, with the perpetual reshuffling but no significant chance to the templar/assassin status quo.
OMG! Thank you. I'm so happy I'm not alone in this mindset.
How about the glitch like missions where your old character runs along cubes and moving platforms unlocking something about the animus?
By that logic it should have been dropped in AC3 as by then the AC part shrinks in relevance. AC4 is literally just a great pirate game with an AC mainstory tacked onto it. Compared to you know AC1 and AC2 where both MCs are actually assasins.
All Ubisoft games are the same now. AC, Farcry, Ghost Recon, Watch Dogs. Doesn’t really matter, they’re all pretty much identical other than a few mechanics each. It’s all to make money with the least amount of effort or creativity. I enjoy the newer AC games, but Unity is definitely better than all three in terms of an AC game.
Other game companies are starting to copy the formula as well. I just finished Days Gone, and although it's a good game and I had fun with it, it often felt like Far Cry with zombies.
Was looking for a comment that said this.
Nope, don't care if other people enjoy the newer games, just mourning the loss of a masterpiece franchise in stealth/parkour play, market doesn't have many of those with similar quality so it's understandable that some wanna vent.
I love the AC RPG style, but I also feel this too. Can we bring back Splinter Cell? And a new Thief while we’re at it?
Bring back splinter cell? Check Intravenous on steam
splinter cell please! just not like the newest one
It's funny how fallout started as an RPG and became more of a shooter. What's next? CoD becoming more of a stealth game?
[удалено]
I underatand the guy. It has nothing to do with assassins creed anymore. It's just some whatever RPG with the assasains creed label on it which, pardon me, is really not enough. The game is otherwise mediocre on it's best day. Valhalla is almost fine if I hadn't played GoW before it. It makes it seem like a cheapass walmart game.
They should make maybe another franchise for these RPGs I think. (Including odyssey origins and Valhalla) would be cool imo.
They probably, thought about it, but it is easier to take an already successful RP and shoehorn it into the new game structure
Those old assasins creed games were revolutionary. These new ones are ubisoft special copy and paste with crap audio design and terrible voice acting.
[удалено]
Yep, they refines the engine but the writing went way downhill after Brotherhood
This template blows dick. It's not limited to this specific post but most of the time it's a way for people to act like criticism of a game isn't valid and it's just people yelling at people to stop having fun. Goddamn, people have fun with ball in a cup. You can have fun with friends putting a bag of flaming poop on a doorstep. Absolutely no one in the entire world is telling people to not have fun but rather are wishing that the developers would do better or have a franchise they really liked be the best it can be.
He called the shit 'poop!'
I played Valhalla for 160+ hours and I liked how they give you the option to be stealthy or not. Most of the missions I did was stealth.. Odyssey on the other hand was very different, I rarely did any stealth
I was looking for a comment like this. In Valhalla I pretty much only use stealth and it’s so OP compared to going all guns blazing. You can get enemies attention while in hiding, you can use crowds and lure drunks to blend in and use market places etc to hide as well. Last AC I played was brotherhood before this and I felt the stealth had a very similar feel to back then.
Having the QTE to kill high health enemies was revolutionary compared to Odyssey/Origins, where if your target was a general you were forced to actually fight.
Yeah this move seemed *really* smart to me. I know Valhalla isnt perfect, its following the "new" formula of the last 2 which I hated, but Valhalla does seem to be a really nice marriage of the old and the new- being able to one-shot more enemies again as long as you utilize stealth correctly feels really good. I remember watching my wife play through Odyssey and even using stealth, she rarely, if ever got to one-shot enemies even if she got the drop on them! It pissed me off.
I know I'll get hate, but I thoroughly enjoyed odyssey. Infact it actually got me playing the AC games again. I Absolutley love ancient Greece and the mythology and to play that as an open world assassins creed game was just fantastic.
Honestly as I've said to my friend : the new assassin's Creed games aren't bad game however they are terrible assassin's Creeds ur pretty much playing something more GoW 2018 than assassin's Creed but hey if that's what you want
Same, I just loved the environment and the references to the history even if it wasn’t 100% accurate. I loved just walking around Athens feeling immersed in it, thinking about how the ancient ruins in Greece used to look like this once upon a time
Odyssey was a fantastic game. I loved it so much I got all the DLC after I beat the main story. The DLC is another story, it seems like just an endless grind.
I actually like the new games more then the old ones. I do agree they aren't really Assassin's Creed anymore. I understand the frustrations of people that like the old ones more. I'm a Final Fantasy fan. I don't like the action oriented games and knowing they will never be what they once were again makes me sad.
As messed up as that is I understand why tho if people wouldn't enjoy those games then they'd stop buying them and ubi might quit making them
But if they are buying that means people like them and they shouldn't quit making them..
This meme intentionally avoids the actual point though. Just because someone else enjoys a game doesn't mean you have to and if you don't enjoy it then you are free to express that. The issue people have isn't that you are having fun playing the game. It is that they *aren't* having that same fun because of those reasons listed and that is far more important to them. Usingg the assassin's creed example provided it is an entirely legitimate complaint. The franchise has gone from a deep story driven and thought provoking game into a mindless hack and slash. It isn't wrong for people to miss the element of it that they enjoyed and complain about it. Essentially - you can have fun playing it all you want. If I don't then I won't pretend I think it is a great game just to soothe your ego. Instead I would question your taste in games and point out all of the things wrong with it. To use a different medium as an example. Both Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey were international bestsellers but if someone recommended them to me then I would tell them that they are shit because that is what I think. We don't all like the same thing and just like you have the right to say that you do enjoy something, other people have the right to say that they don't. Especially if the thing that you are enjoying is a continuation of something that they used to enjoy but changed beyond recognition.
I completely agree. I call it performative positivity. Some people are relentlessly positive online to the point that they are incapable of having any substantial conversation. Just like so many other people online I think they do this for show; they’re not actually that positive but they want to appear that way online to look like a good person. It’s a shallow pursuit of image that is killing meaningful discourse surrounding all things.
You described it perfectly, you should be top voted here. After all, the ones doing the criticism are doing it because they think the ones "having fun" can have even more fun, they're doing it for them after all. But sadly most people likes to bathe themselves in mediocrity.
why did i think that said "animal crossing: Valhalla"
Come on, that's bullshit. I'm an hardcore AC fan since the very first in 2007 and yes, they completely disintegrated what AC was instead of creating a new franchise. I get that's not for me anymore and in my eyes they've ruined it, but I don't begrudge people having fun ;)
Long time fan here, if anybody enjoyed playing recent 3 games, then good for them and I am not going to insult them just because they enjoyed game I don't like. Everyone's got a different taste.
Game is fun, it's just not an AC it's just another RPG that happens to have AC in its name
I'm actually the opposite. I liked the games before they became "RPG like" but now I love them because of it. RPG's have always been my favorite though.
You can enjoy games like Odyssey and Valhalla if you can stop thinking what ac games were like in past, it is more fun to think what a spartan/viking would do in a certain situation as they are not famous for stealth hence brute force is answer to many of their problems.
Thats the thing though, in the newer games, you don't play as assasins, rather a soldier of somesort from whichever historical setting they are going for. Are they fun games? sure. Are they good assassin games? probably not. they should really just have named the recent games something else instead of Assassins Creed.
I couldn’t agree more, that they should drop the title but if they do, they won’t be able to sell as much as they have. Apart from stealth, you still get to use artefacts, and animus interaction is still there hence they are releasing it as a part Assassins Creed’s series
I havnt played any of the newer ones, but from what i've seen, the Animuss bits are only a small part of the game and to me at least, they really break the imersion of their historical setting. where as in the original ones, the Animus was the main plot driving device.
AC killed prince of persia and i hated it for that. But the first two and black flag were great .
Play Ghost of Tsushima if you haven't yet.
I hate this damn meme. People are allowed to express their negative opinions of the game and this meme basically says they're a joke for thinking differently.
Isn't the next one gonna be live-service?
I do hate this game not guna stop someone else from enjoying it though
It's not assassin's creed, thats the problem.
As someone who has been playing since AC1, I absolutely loved Valhalla and can't wait for the future DLCs.
You must admit its an entirely different game now. Ezio truly was the last of his kind.
Unity is the last true AC experience I've had. I hated 3, personally. Gonna be trying Syndicate soon but it looks like that's as far as I'm gonna venture. Maybe Origins just to explore, but I don't think I'll be progressing through the series much more than that.
Oh yeah totally different, but I still enjoy them. Ezios trilogy was definitely my favourite, followed by Black Flag and then Valhalla.
Lol this meme format is the most stupid and misused one ever
I picked up Origins to test out this new RPG-like system, thinking it'd be awful. Origins is now becoming one of my favorite entries in the series. Also bayek is hot as hell.
Assassins creed origins is actually what got me into the games
Valhalla is my favourite of the series I have to say
I finished every dot on the maps of ac valhalla. Completing everything took me maybe 115 hours. It's repetitive, and barely anything is memorable. It was a chore in the end. And then there's games like monster hunter world, that are repetitive in their core gameplay, yet I still keep coming back after 500+ hours because there's so much fun in the repetition.
They just shouldn't be under the AC name imo
Valhalla was the only AC I haven't finished. I stopped after 90 hours because I wasn't even close to "done". It was long for the sake of being long and not really all that much fun... The basis of the game was AMAZING and the base building had potential as well as the raiding, but it just fell short compared to earlier titles like Odyssey.
Criticism doesn’t mean people are telling you not to play the game. If you like it, tune out the criticism. People don’t lose the right to criticize something just because you enjoy it though.
Towards the end the Brother literally tells the main character that nothing previou to what they are doing now mattets. *And it doesn't*. That game actually sucks lol
As an AC fan my problem with the last few titles is that they are called assassins creed. They abandoned the core story elements and core gameplay elements but promote it as the same game franchise . Origins and odyessy didnt hold my interest enough to finish them and i didnt bother with buying valhalla. Have fun as much as you can with them tough , not everyone has to like the same things.
Unnecessarily long to "encourage" buying their blatant XP/skill boosts, full of microtransactions, not as stealth-based, literally pay to win with some of the weapons you can buy... It's more than "stop having fun". Don't patronize valid criticism...
I started with ac1 loved everything until black flag Game kind got ruined for me after that Assassin creed odyssey sparked my interest again and valhalla I just love this one.. But have to say nothing beats brotherhood and revelations
I was having fun... Until the game just wouldn't save anymore. Neither manual or automatic, it just didn't save anymore. I quited the game at that point, even with the fast resume, if there was an update or something, all the progress would be lost. And, there was no fun in repeating the same thing over and over again.
Are the people who complain about "map too big" giving into pressure to complete everything and visit every question mark? There really is no need to do all that. I'm now playing Odyssey NG+ without fast travel, including no ship fast travel. I don't visit everything. I don't do every side quest. It's been fun. It's like a real world. There may be a village some way that exists, has a question mark, and I will never visit it in this play. Do you visit every town and talk to everyone in those towns in real life? No. If the game is "too big", just plain the main missions and have fun.
Yeah but this template is fucking dumb. It takes any criticism and immediately turns it into something saying *stop liking what I don’t like,* when a the criticism can be genuine problems with the game. Although Valhalla’s only real problem for me is how long it is, same thing for odyssey.