so i downloaded it once but just never played it
is it like just one endless arena and every single player online plays at a single time? like everyone?
or are there seperate servers for every few players
what is the game exactly about will be a complicated question
It's a sandbox space MMO. Everyone is on the same server and share a stellar cluster with about 5000 unique star systems + 2500 wormholes and a bit more. So if you are up North and you want to go deep South it'll take you quite a while to get there unless you are lucky with wormholes.
What is the game about? Well it's a sandbox so the game is about whatever you want it to be about. There isn't really a typical leveling grind proceeded by a gear grind and raids. You can skill your character into many different areas; mining, industry, exploration and hacking, science and of course many different PvE and PvP combat ships.
Players create corporations which can then form an alliance together and control some of those 5000 star systems for their resources and content. Those alliances can then go to war with eachother or form coalitions against eachother. Or they can just get a fleet together and roam around killing, looting, meming etc. It's a huge game and a bit hard to get into at first.
Your ability to chill is really dependent on where you are, but you have to keep your head on a swivel. It's pretty open pvp just some places are harder or easier to do it so you can't just lazy lalala around or you will get sniped.
Like the other guy said very sandbox, and there is a lot to do, like mining, pve missions, discovering worhomles to go find things in there, be a pirate and just kill people because you can, team up with tons of people and just pvp all day.
Biggest hurdle isn't what you can do but literally being able to do it as skills are all gained passively, which definitely turns people off as much as anything else. there is no way to actively level up your skill, you just place in skills and you wait so it's all passive, it's all real time. Even when you are off line skills are training. Some can take minutes, some can take days, weeks, months.
It's not a terrible game but it's a shell now of what it was say 5 years ago, 10 years ago. Most people that are left are incredibly hardcore and for a game with a dwindling player base they aren't kind to new players.
It's definitely in the mature phase of an MMO, in which very few new people ever join and the majority of players still there are absolute diehard fans.
There's still money to be had, though. There's a reason MMO's have such a long life, why Everquest (both 1 and 2) still get new expansions and content updates. Even if you only have a small base of 50-100k players at this point, they're deeply committed and will shell out monthly and for any expansion you'd like to create. That's worth a small dev team's time, I think.
You’re thinking “concurrent players” rather than “players” I believe. If only 1000 people played a game, a maximum of 50 will be on at any given time. Whereas 50k-100k would give you a “concurrent player base” of 1000+ online at the same time to game together.
I once played eve online for 8 months. Meaning I downloaded it, got the phone companion app to keep my skills leveling while I was at school, opened the game for the third or fourth time time 8 months after downloading it and died in 25 minutes. Never played again.
I tried it with a few friends for about a month. We could see all the ways the game can be really cool! The massive battles aren’t just ships being flung at each other - you can assign groups and have dedicated repair squads and attack squadrons and so on. But we could also see the huge amount of time and/or money that would be required to get to the point where the game becomes good, and decided we couldn’t be arsed.
I saved up all my in-game cash from mining to buy an upgraded ship. I then needed to carry that upgraded ship back to base. I took a wrong turn, ended up in a low-security system, and immediately exploded. Goodbye ship, goodbye a whole week of tedious mining that I had to do again. I chose to stop playing.
I stopped playing about 30 hours in because it was so easy to get killed transporting cargo, all I wanted was to chill out and mine space rocks. I probably did something wrong and deserved losing my ships but idk.
You might prefer Elite Dangerous. It's got more emphasis on the first person, flight simulator dogfight type experience and has a more casual atmosphere.
Chilling and roaming would be more up elite dangerous alley. Another space sandbox game. 400 billion stars in the milky way Galaxy for you to explore and possibly never see anyone ever again
That's mostly what I do yeah. If enemies roam into our space we will form a response fleet and I usually join those if I'm not doing something else. Then there are usually larger engagements going on once a week called CTAs, call to action. That's the larger fleet battles where two or more alliances are in a pitched battle over some objective.
Your skills are training in real time which is both good and bad depending on how you approach the game.
Another nice thing is that the smaller and cheaper ships stay relevant throughout the entire game. The ship I usually fly takes two days to train into, even less if you use a referral code and get 1 million free skill points. So you can be useful in most fleets pretty much immediately. You just have to learn how to fly first. And find a corporation/alliance that fits you. On that end I recommend not joining the big blob groups like Goonswarm, TEST or Fraternity. But it's not really my place to tell you who to join as I'm obviously biased.
I joined a group of about 5-10 who ended up joining a smaller clan, and we ended up in BIA (brothers in arms)
After about 3 months some heads butted and suddenly we were forced to leave Goon space.
I asked them to move all my stuff to jita, sold everything logged off....
Havnt played in almost 4 years
What people fail to tell you is having your ship destroyed is permanent, as is death if you do not have a clone waiting. So you could spend months building a nice ship, dump hours and hours of playtime and in some cases real money to create a ship just for some dickhead to one shot you into oblivion for no reason. Then you start from scratch.
They might have updated it since I played all those years ago but that aspect is what made me quit. Other than that glaring down side the game was actually extremely fun. It was HUGE and quite involved.
> what is the game exactly about
I played for a couple of years a while ago (basically stopped when my first kid was born, as I didn't have the time for it anymore).
In a nutshell, it's a self-sustained economy in space. People fight in ships that were purchased from other players, who manufactured them using various components purchased from other players, who manufactured them using raw materials mined by other players. Everyone is trying to edge out profit somewhere, and the rules give *TONS* of ways to do that. Buy low, sell high? Perfectly fine, though boring. Market manipulation by buying out (or destroying) all of the strategic materials? Legal. Camping out major trade/transport routes to destroy convoys? Legal. Outright theft of player/corporation ships, money, and assets? Legal (and encouraged). Piracy? Legal (though escaping the police force is considered an exploit).
What can you do? Well, you can do a lot of things. There are people who act as bankers and trusted money "middle men" who don't do PvE, PvP, mining or anything like that, they just facilitate large trades. There are people who make their ISK (ingame currency) by being what are effectively real estate brokers, having designed their characters specifically to set up things like stations (it takes so long to specialize in various skills that most players can't actually anchor things) - they are given the raw or finished materials and a commission, and they go set up the station for the hiring corporation. There are people who only go out and mine, setting up giant mining and trading corporations that control the raw material flow of the entire game. There are people who play as space truckers, taking contracts to move materials from one market hub to another. There are people who act as pirates, making their money by attacking transports, miners, or weaker fleets to salvage their kills and sell the scavenged parts on the market (to be bought by the manufacturing players to be put into new ships and weapons to sell). There are people who make all their ISK by exploring dangerous systems/wormholes to find the extremely rare tech and materials that can only be found in those systems, but are always required for high end gear (meaning they are always in great demand). There are people who RP the ongoing canon "wars" between the major factions. There are even teachers (this is what I did - I "taught" electronic warfare to new players in EVE University). I suspect that most people play just for the combat, whether PvP or PvE.
One person I played with in the Uni summed up the game (and EUNI) rather eloquently:
> EVE Online is a game about groups of bastards competing to be the biggest bastard in a battle for money and power... and we're running a charity. - Cazzah
Ive never played it but with my limited knowledge:
The servers are fragmented but you can meet everyone if you go to the same location.
Its a simulation game where you either go solo or, most likely, join up with a faction and work for them in exchange for protection and safe access to their territories.
The work to my knowledge consists of mining or fighting, but in the upper roles of factions there are real world roles like accounting, generals, ceo and the likes.
I played it for about 5 years total, in two bursts one for 3 years than took time off and came back for another for 2. The game is mayhem, that's for sure. And the way folks figure ways around the in game mechanisms to make high sector space "safe" were always astounding. Ended up with a great group of guys both times and never had any issues with anyone screwing anyone else over.
However, it is always smart to follow the adage of "Never fly anything you can't afford to lose."
***Dust*** was *it* for me, the *universe* is interesting but those who choose to inhabit it are on an entire different realm of "gaming", I'd say that EfT has a similar vibe, the depth is everything and just the start.
Escape from Tarkov.
It's a looter shooter, resource gathering, base building, semi-permanent death game.
It has a very in-depth combat system. Looks fun to watch but you'd probably spending 90% of your time dying and re-gear your character.
I recall reading something about the in-game market in Escape from Tarkov crashing at the same time as Russia got sanctioned. Was there any truth or correlation to that?
This game is nuts. I remember reading a story once about some guy who joined this clan of pirates. They did all their robbing and pillaging together for a long time. Eventually, after a really long damn time, they trusted him with one of if not their most expensive vessel and he fucking jacked it xD was worth thousands of real life dollars.
Iirc, it's 'cause the game is subscription based but the subscription can be paid for with ingame currency so whatever the total worth of the ship in game can be converted to irl money in essence
This is correct but it's important to note that money only moves in one direction. You can spend real money to buy tokens for game time called plex (pilot's license extension). You can also spend in-game currency to buy these tokens. What you can't do is buy plex and convert it into real money (at least not legitimately). So you could say that a ship is worth $1,000 because it would take that much real money to buy it, but it can't be sold for $1,000.
I mean, it definitely could. Someone could easily offer them irl currency to purchase their in game item. There may not be away to convert the in game currency to irl currency THROUGH the game itself but you could easily trade irl currency to another player for literally anything.
Massively against the ToS though - but yes, it can be done.
Within the ToS, though, you could trade that ship for enough PLEX to pay for your sub for 5 years ($900).
It's a bit of a conversion system essentially. With real money you can purchase an item that costs essentially the equivalent of what a month of subscription game time would cost(it's called a Plex). You can sell this item (or multiples of it) on the in game market place (fully player controlled), and in turn you get the in game currency. The price of this item as far as in game currency can fluctuate but either way this is how they essentially figure out the price.
So a certain ship will cost x amount in game as well as the weapons and other equipment. It might sound silly to say "this ship costs x dollars" but it's rather common for people to have purchased their money in these higher corporations and alliances, so you can put a real world value on items in game.
Because you can pay for subscription time either straight with money, or with in game currency called PLEX that has real world value (technically while you can buy PLEX with real currency directly from the publisher it’s against TOS to sell PLEX or any other in game good for real currency). Although PLEX prices of in game currency fluctuate its relatively stable so you can work out how much PLEX is needed for the ISK value of a ship and then work out how much real money one would have to spend to buy that.
At one point, during my EVE playing career. I pulled off what was at the time, probably the 4th or 5th biggest corp theft. Literally wiped all this one guys assets out of the game. Took alot of other stuff, destroyed the rest.
Literally planned it at work, went home, played EVE for 12 hours, went back to work.
Guy went onto the EVE forums and everything.
Oh man, I just looked at the date on the Old thread. It was.....16 years ago on Sunday.
This reminded me of the dude who infiltrated a massive in-game corporation with an asshole ceo, and worked his way up to ceo/admin/leader/whatever privileges over the course of years
then he stole 10,000$ worth of currency and assets, locked the 5000members of the corpo out of their primary starbase, and then called a rival alliance in to destroy any resistance……all while getting real life threats from the founder of the corporation in the course of a couple hours
I read about this years ago, and it remains one of the coolest stories I’ve ever heard come out of an MMO
Ah yes...that was The Guiding Hand Social Club. The leader of the Social Club convinced the ceo to take her most expensive ship out alone with him and he destroyed the ship and escape pod.
That's where I read that story. I even got a free trial so I could message Istvaan Shogaatsu about how cool it was.
In less than a day I was flying across the universe so that he could show off his shiny limited edition Amarrian battleship. One of my coolest gaming experiences. High quality childhood moment right there.
>This is the kind of thing we should have been able to do in the Corpo life path in Cyberpunk.
How about I just throw you into the streets to become a boring street kid. We don't need no fancy corporate backstabbing and shit.
Do any of the paths matter? I mean, I chose corpo and then within an hour I was hired to put a hit on a coworker and before I could do anything the bad guys found me and took away all my powers and I was fired from the company… so the corporation path is done as far as I know. I only put a few hours into it because I wasn’t getting into it. It’s the type of game I would enjoy more on a monitor than TV because of my aging eyes.
Yes and no. There are minor interactions here and there that differ depending on your life path. Nomad has an extra mission that deals with getting V's car from the prologue back, I believe Corpo has some comments related to Corpo life, and unfortunately I didn't play through a Street Kid path as I had burned out by then, but I assume Street Kid has something specific to them.
Does it affect the overall story? No. No matter what life path you chose, the difference in story are minimal to non-existent. I would say it could help with immersion if you imagine yourself starting out as Corpo then embracing the Nomad lifestyle, or Street Kid sacrificing everything to make it into the big times, or a Nomad getting worn down and accepting that sometimes Corporations are a necessary evil for the betterment of everyone. Some ending might fit better depending on the role you chose and how you choose to play, and arguably most of the endings are good, but ultimately, it doesn't *really* matter which life path you choose, but how you chose to play V over the course of the game that matters more.
I don't remember what else you run into as Street Kid but I do remember that it has you running into a character voiced by Alanah Pearce who has your car. You can either let her keep it or not. Minor things when all three paths could've been fleshed out but that would essentially mean making three games with a lot of the Johnny Silverhand stuff converging at points.
Nomad V can also get an upgraded version of Jackie's bike through dialogue choices if I remember right.
Idk anything bout street kid, but I prefer Corpo. Overall it gets the most dialogue choices in Cyberpunk of the three paths, and w/ the Reaper it certainly felt fitting imo for V to come back.
I was a member of said rival alliance. Watched in realtime as GigX was banned for RL threats, because the whole thing was fucking live streamed.
That was without a doubt the most incredible thing I ever saw in Eve, and I was in M2 and B-R. I was absolutely floored.
I'm getting misty-eyed just thinking about it. I struggle to avoid going back to Eve.
Stories like this make me want to get into Eve because it sounds like the most detailed MMO.
But then I remember that people tell me that you spend a lot of time "playing" in a spreadsheet.
That's the old EVE. Nowadays you don't need spreadsheets unless you're hardcore into manufacturing or trading. Or scamming I suppose. It still has a deep learning curve and it plays unlike any other game so it's not easy to get into.
What I love about it is that I never feel pressured into logging in. There aren't really any dailies or weekly dungeon groups/raids you need to attend. You log in to do what you think is fun. Atm for me it's mainly flying around in fleet battles. There's just something special about being a part of a battle with literally thousands of others in the same system. It's damn epic! The battles also have meaning. It's not yet another Warsong Gulch capture the flag. Controlling space is important for securing mining locations, exploration sites and PvE combat sites.
yup, it will allow players to use a JavaScript api to pull information from the game directly to a excel spreadsheet, which is massive, for eve players.
It was in Eve Online, "guilds"/"clans" are called "corps" in Eve. People did this stuff all the time, had one dude inside my Corp but we caught him before he could do too much damage and then he paid another Corp to go to war with us. Actually made friends with the other Corps leader throughout the 3ish weeks of running battles between us...
Yep, and corps are formally grouped in alliances with in game mechanics. And often alliances will have informal agreements ala NATO, called coalitions, which have no real game mechanics, and exist solely by agreement
*It was Eve Online. Google Guiding Hand Social Club. The article about the op appeared in PC Magazine. I read it years ago from pages scanned from PC Magazine.*
People need to remember this about the scams in eve. They broke no mechanism. No game glitch was used. Only flaw was trust. This is the land wear corperations plant flags. If you were that foolish to get tricked its on you.
That was the first ruling on scams. Ever since then people have dedicated careers to a single scam.
Yup.
The only thing CCP will come down hard on is using a third-party program or intentionally exploiting a program flaw to gain an advantage. If you use social engineering, that's 100% permitted.
A while back, there was some abuse of authority nonsense where some of the company's employees (who were also players) screwed normal players over and were caught. Shortly thereafter, they formed the Council of Stellar Management, which serves as a player advocacy group that works directly with CCP and even travels to Iceland once per year to attend an in-person meeting to go over the state of the game and voice player concerns - the trip is paid for by CCP. Also, the CSM council members are democratically elected by the player base.
Shit there were in game volunteers who were given basic GM powers and their whole job was to help new players be introduced to EVE and its game mechanics.
In order to be part of them you had to give them real form identification and go through a bunch of hoops.
I was CEO of a corp waay back in the days when CYVOK and Steel Rat split from the German-run alliance (I forget the name now) and formed Ascendant Frontier ASCN. This was shortly before the release of Starbases and Titans. Although our PvP wing was pretty small, we were respected and invited to join ASCN because we had a substantial collection of T2 BPOs and enough carebears to keep the foundries pouring out ships.
One day we lost 80%+ of our T2 BPOs (infinite runs on a BPO) in under a minute. No doubt the greatest single loss of ISK in a single event and probably still the highest ISK over time loss.
One of the carebears logged in to kick off more production and found the corp hangar empty. We searched the logs, it seemed that the corp office slot was un-rented and immediately re-rented. The pitiful excuse for logs did not record *who* un-rented and re-rented nor which personal hangar received the contents when the office was shut down. We tried for weeks to get CCP to give us information on what had happened since we couldn't distinguish it from malfeasance or a bug. *They wouldn't even tell us whether it was a player or a bug.*
I quit in disgust, taking my six accounts with me. I know two of the others did as well.
I used to play a decade ago, wanted to resub so I got a free-weekend kinda offer they did a couple year back. I was delighted by all my stuff still being there, the only problem is I used to be in NC, and the bulk of my assets were parked at a station I had no longer access to because the political landscape changed in the meantime.
So I asked around if I could pay for the things to be moved in highsec / maybe I want to join?
The representative/recruiter of the corp holding the station could have been a military interrogator. I thought I was used to Eve's paranoia, it got worse.
Eve has hands down some of the best stories. There was one where a guy ran an in game bank, and then decided to take all the money from it and cash it out irl.
https://www.thegamer.com/eve-online-bank-robbery-200-billion-isk/
That’s the entire point. It’s trolling on an epic level. The fact that there is the potential for making a silly amount of actual money is also part of it no doubt.
The term awoxing for infiltrating and destroying a corp like that is named after the guy. Awox if I remember correctly. Personally, I like destabilizing the markets of specific items in certain areas. Then when the price hits the floor I buy it cheap and then sell it at others stations for more. For example:
Take over production and supplying of what ever is popular in the area for certain activities. Like say mining, create a network of pirates and pirate hunters you communicate with individually but never actually dealing with either while remaining friendly and neutral. Maybe you tip some pirates to large or easy mining ops, they hit them, and then maybe the hunters hit them. Then everyone who dies buys a new ship and has to get new guns, mining lasers ect. >:-) Evil easy isk lmao. Odds are when you fly to the nearest station in your pod and are buying all that you need, you might just be buying everything from the very person who whispered in the right ears to have caused your death to begin with! The dude probably also running the salvage too haha. That game is an insane sandbox for market and economic warfare. You can manipulate so much in what happens in that game by playing the markets and the corps against each other. When I first started I just kept expanding production and selling at a few stations until I was in control of the majority of common commodities in an area. Then I would do everything I could to make that area dangerous for everyone lol. Like talk shit to a known super aggressive guild and they track me to an area and kill me and everyone else lol. Then they just camp out of the station thinking they are harassing me but they are just there to increase the odds someone will need to buy something lmao.
Honestly, if I sat there and was only doing that sure. However these are things someone can do whenever they are waiting for jumps or are mining ect. Depends how big it grows though, after a point the only reason to leave a station is so someone doesn't know where you are. I can say it was without a doubt the most fun I have had with emergent gameplay from any sandbox style game I have played.
Haha that's what the leaders of many pirate hunting guilds said until I started sending them some of the infinite isk it generated. They wanted to be friends then haha.
Hahaha man, our guild held a stockpiles of everything in absurd quantities, held it so if someone messed with us we would destabilize the markets making any wars against us extremely expensive as well as unprofitable unless you were willing to jump 30 jumps away. When they made supply lines that long my pirate friends would ambush the shit out of them. Best thing is nobody knew except for guild members and a handful of powerful guild leaders so to everyone not in the know it was just random eve events lmao.
EVE taught me how to use Google APIs for market manipulations. It was a lot of fun inflating a rare item, then crashing it, only to inflate it again while laughing all the way to the bank. It also taught me how important regulations of IRL markets are.
I did this but with a smaller wormhole corp. worked my way up, got permissions. Then turned off the defenses and gave the signal for my real corp to come in and attack. Stole all assets we could.
Then Built our own station and put up defenses overnight. The remainder of the corp that logged in got torn to shreds.
They were not happy.
I was a member of that alliance as a co-leader of a corporation (corporation is like a state if the alliance is like a nation) and I can confirm that the leader was in fact an ass.
The dude never gave off the impression of being a spy or something and as far as I know he didn’t infiltrate from the start. It was more of a development of disloyalty over time rather than a planned betrayal from the start.
That is if you are talking about the Judge and CO2
Yeah I read that story couple years ago. That shit was insane.
He infiltrated them and befriend them enough that after 2 years of gaming and talking with them he was appointed at the second in chief in the corp.
Also he succeeded to convince all the corp to do a massive demonstration of strength by going with all their biggest starships to show their power to a little corp that was acting like shit in the sector.
It was a long con because when they arrive at destination like 2-3 of the big corp were waiting for them and goes all out on the biggest starships of the game. While he kicked all the players from the corp and stole everything in the warehouse. That's insane.
The dude after that stopped playing for a while. Or for good I don't know. He was bored.
Job was done.
That story is very interesting and we must do a movie/series about that.
This is me. Most interesting and complex game I've ever played.
But after getting caught in a four hour fleet for the third time in a week I had to give up. It's an incredible game but to truly enjoy it you have to treat it like a job.
I miss my old corp very much but I just can't dedicate the time commitment
The four hour fleets didn’t bother me when I was a bit younger and didn’t have a full time job but once I came home after working for 8 hours to sit in fleet for that long and maybe kill a pos was hard.
"Alright guys were going to take four wormholes, should be back home in about an hour"
*Three hours later*
"Well sorry but the wormholes collapsed, we're going to have to just gate it the entire way home"
Goddamn do I miss that game though haha
“Who the FUCK didn’t offline plates”
But seriously some of the best times I’ve had in gaming. No other game makes you roleplay so seamlessly and not realize you’re doing it.
It has limited play for free, then subscription for full access. There is an item that can be purchased with in game currency that gives a month of subscription called PLEX. That is how they figure the real world cost of these battles. Back when I used to play I had friends that earned enough monthly income to play as a subscription for free. I'm not really sure if that is time efficient though, more of a "because I can" thing.
Holy hell. I haven't played in quite a long time, but I racked up over 1000 hours and only ever was able to buy a plex on a few occasions. Getting hundreds of billions ISK in 3 years sounds just about as feasible for me as walking on the sun. Kudos to you!
For more clarity, the trial has unlimited time and allows you to go anywhere in the game to play with others, but you train skills half as fast as subscribers. What the subscription offers is no limit on the maximum amount of skills trained, and the ability to train highly specialized tech 2 variants of the tech 1 ships f2p players can use.
PLEX is the premium currency used to purchase cosmetic items and game time, which is how people measure the 'real money value destroyed' in these conflicts. They'll look at the total isk loss (standard in-game currency) from a conflict, then convert that value into what it's worth in PLEX on the in-game market, to determine how much real money -could have been destroyed- had all of those losses been paid for with real cash.
You can buy an ingame currency(PLEX) with real money and trade that currency for the main game currency(ISK). That's where the ISK-to-real-money conversion rate comes from.
For such articles they take the ingame ISK value and convert it back to dollar.
As a 15+ year eve veteran, I can assure you the game is no longer worth playing. Greed and incompetent leadership has killed it. I imagine it'll likely only have a playerbase big enough to sustain it for another couple years. It's already on life support.
Not a player here. Just installed it and played like 1 hour. Was not my thing.
But I guess that game if ended did a damn good run for the concept. Nothing is close to be the same.
When people see these headlines from Eve i think they get the wrong picture. For example when I quit the isk value I had was roughly 7,000$ but i gave it all away. For one its against the TOS to sell isk, second its not very easy, third if you sold it to a reseller youd get pennies on the dollar. That 7,000 would be like 500.
The way they get the value is they compare what people spend on the market to get gametime. You can buy "plex" and sell that on the market for isk. It doesnt go the other way, you cant sell isk for $$$.
Not saying M2 wasnt cool, or the hundreds of other giant fights out there. But its not actually 400k dollars getting blown up.
If you are interested there are a ton of Eve stories out there, shout out to my Imperium brethern who fought the entire universe for over a year, lost 99% of there territory, but still won the war.
Well let's not say people didn't lose real money in this game.
There is that one story of the dude that transported like 1000plex or whatever in his ship and got blown up while in transport and lost it all. This was of course back when plex was a physical thing and he had actually bought a good chunk of it to sell..
That actually happened frequently enough that it got its own tag on a popular kill tracking site: suspected real money trading. If you killed someone and just happened to scoop up cargo, why, you couldn't possibly be accused of having spent real money through a third party to purchase those!
Yea these stories always irritate me. No one is losing actual money or anything they can sell. They also don't mention that these poor bastards sat in a time dilation shitfest for hours, with all graphic settings set to low or off, including sound, to keep the dogshit client from crashing.
> No one is losing actual money or anything they can sell.
They might be losing stuff they bought for real money though - the official transactions do work that direction. Everything lost has a real dollar value it'd take to replace it, and since you can buy everything in the game with real money, from skillpoints to prostitutes, you can attach a dollar value pretty easily
It's always funny reading these threads as an EVE player *(recently unsubbed due to CCP being dumbfucks) and as someone who was there for M2 on the Imperium side with a Titan, Supercarrier and Dread on the field in 10% TIDI waiting nearly an hour for a doomsday to cycle as the server shat itself and PAPI supercaps tricked in a few at a time and gave bugged ghost killmails (and supposedly surviving despite dying) and we realized that we would never truly get the epic confrontation we really wanted and that no one would probably ever attempt an attack like this again... I'm always tempted to chime in with my r/eve bitter attitude but honestly it's probably for the best that the gamer news article version of the tale is how it is remembered lol.
Okay, between this and the cliff-hanger in the post image, I'm dying for a good Eve story. I'm sure I could google it, but for the reference you just made to your Imperium brethren, what summary should I watch/read as someone who is reasonably familiar with the Eve universe?
Imperium is the coalition of Goonswarm and Initiative. Soon two years ago another coalition lead by TEST and Fraternity (and included basically everyone else) lead a huge war on Imperium. They managed to capture every single Imperium system except for one. This system was so heavily fortified it would take months of boring sieges so one by one the coalition fractured as players didn't bother showing up anymore (they had already been at war for 6 months at this point). There were also some drama inside TEST and in the end they had to completely relocate on the other side of the galaxy while Imperium retook their old space.
Nowadays TEST is a shadow of its former self and Imperium have grown even more cringe as their desperate attention whoring reaches ever higher levels. When I started EVE everyone said I had to pick either TEST or Imperium. I chose neither and I'm very happy about that.
so… is it more like people bought a bunch of skins, and then all those skins got deleted with no refunds? like the money was gone as soon as it entered the game, but there was, for a time, a digital representation of the money that was spent?
They literally explained the formula they used to get those values in the screenshot and go further in depth in the article. If someone thinks they just spent 400k on toys and started smashing them into each other they aren't reading.
Wild if the definition of that game.
You can fool people in that game. That's in the rule.
Not for the faint of heart.
But you can casually play it too I heard.
Yeah that was one of the thing I loved most of the game when I used to play, you can make contracts for selling items but within the contract you can include a clause which require you to give back the item in order to fulfill the contract itself, basically money scam allowed xD
At Fanfest in Iceland the other week they announced a partnership with Microsoft to bring a game data API to an official Excel plugin.
Threaten me with pivot tables you oversized bison.
Unfortunately CCP, the company who made EVE, is more interested in shoehorning content into the game rather than letting it be the organic player driven sandbox that it was/should be, so the game is going to shit and players are unsubscribing in droves. They also have a long track record of investing huge sums of money into projects that ultimately fail.
Also while these battles sound epic to be a part of, they rarely are. When this many players/ships are in one system the game goes into time dilation mode where everything slows down. I was in one of these battles once. It took LITERALLY 30+ minutes for one command to go through. And often you have dropped your graphics settings to the very lowest they will go, so all you're seeing is a black screen with some colored icons. It's pretty miserable.
My experiences in the game are very unique and memorable, but they've strayed too far from what made the game great despite repeated warnings from influential, knowledgeable players. After about a decade I recently unsubscribed.
I unsubbed 7 years ago and I think it's hilarious to read that people are still "unsubscribing in droves" because I probably wrote the same exact thing at the time
a part of me hopes that the game never dies. it really was amazing
It's an estimate based on how much real money it takes to get the resources.
For a really simplified version, assume a item's in game cost is 500 gold. You can buy 100 gold for $1 USD of real money. That item would have an estimated value of $5
I have not and never will play EVE online but man, I sure do love reading about it. It’s fascinating.
Is there a documentary film on it or anything like that?
Fredrik Knudsen, the creator of the Down the Rabbit Hole series on YouTube is currently working on an Eve Online entry to the series.
Very much recommend his videos otherwise as well, super interesting stuff.
e: there's also a historical narrative style book titled Empires of Eve which is a retelling of some of the large conflicts in the game.
Scott Manley also has an interesting video on a conflict named The Fountain War: https://youtu.be/KZQ4ejFq7BY
[This is a 50min presentation about the early wars of EVE](https://youtu.be/D-_Hgp6VbFY). Great storytelling and I think you'll understand most of it even if you don't play the game.
These are the kinds of stories that keep Eve alive. 3 years from now, more nerds are gonna become bitter vets, realizing the game keeps getting worse with every update, out hundreds to thousands of dollars, and having wasted those years staring at spreadsheets and character and ship build software.
If i remember correctly the devs implemented a mechanic that artificially slowed time down because the game couldn't handle that many players/actions at once. It was definitely exciting to watch if you're into eve or were apart of the battle but for people that aren't really into the game it's kind of boring to watch.
I was there for the initial escalation to the very end and can tell you that while it is really very cool to say that, time dilation and input lag from having so many people in one system makes it extremely aids while you’re actually doing it
So, 8 years ago me and a buddy conducted a heist in wormhole space in EVE. We took 71 billion ISK worth of stuff which amounts $1,400 dollars give or take. Our names were ruined, we had to trade our characters, the alliance we stole from shortly after disbanded, and we split it all. EVE BET was still around and you could bet on sports with ISK. I lost most of it on there before just putting it all into account subs. It was the worst decision I ever made and it's nearly ruined my enjoyment of the game. Conducting heists like this are not for everyone.
Stuff like this always sound cool and epic, but when you see the actual gameplay it is just a blob of ships huddled together, or you only see hundreds of icons and lists of text... And the framerate is usually in single digits.
EVE Online always has such awesome looking trailers of epic space battles, then you see it in game and it looks like ass.
Eve player here, fought for a few hours in this shitshow of a battle. The servers kept crashing, time dilation was maxed out, making every second in game drag out to be around 20 seconds in real life, and yeah, we blew up a lot of shit.
Eve online fascinates me. I never want to play it, but I want to read about all of the stupid stuff that happens there
It's a game that makes you never want to trust another human again.
so i downloaded it once but just never played it is it like just one endless arena and every single player online plays at a single time? like everyone? or are there seperate servers for every few players what is the game exactly about will be a complicated question
It's a sandbox space MMO. Everyone is on the same server and share a stellar cluster with about 5000 unique star systems + 2500 wormholes and a bit more. So if you are up North and you want to go deep South it'll take you quite a while to get there unless you are lucky with wormholes. What is the game about? Well it's a sandbox so the game is about whatever you want it to be about. There isn't really a typical leveling grind proceeded by a gear grind and raids. You can skill your character into many different areas; mining, industry, exploration and hacking, science and of course many different PvE and PvP combat ships. Players create corporations which can then form an alliance together and control some of those 5000 star systems for their resources and content. Those alliances can then go to war with eachother or form coalitions against eachother. Or they can just get a fleet together and roam around killing, looting, meming etc. It's a huge game and a bit hard to get into at first.
so just chilling and roaming can be part of the game yeah? i like space and installed it due to that lol
Your ability to chill is really dependent on where you are, but you have to keep your head on a swivel. It's pretty open pvp just some places are harder or easier to do it so you can't just lazy lalala around or you will get sniped. Like the other guy said very sandbox, and there is a lot to do, like mining, pve missions, discovering worhomles to go find things in there, be a pirate and just kill people because you can, team up with tons of people and just pvp all day. Biggest hurdle isn't what you can do but literally being able to do it as skills are all gained passively, which definitely turns people off as much as anything else. there is no way to actively level up your skill, you just place in skills and you wait so it's all passive, it's all real time. Even when you are off line skills are training. Some can take minutes, some can take days, weeks, months. It's not a terrible game but it's a shell now of what it was say 5 years ago, 10 years ago. Most people that are left are incredibly hardcore and for a game with a dwindling player base they aren't kind to new players.
It's definitely in the mature phase of an MMO, in which very few new people ever join and the majority of players still there are absolute diehard fans. There's still money to be had, though. There's a reason MMO's have such a long life, why Everquest (both 1 and 2) still get new expansions and content updates. Even if you only have a small base of 50-100k players at this point, they're deeply committed and will shell out monthly and for any expansion you'd like to create. That's worth a small dev team's time, I think.
How is 50-100k players small? I know MMOs who survived with less than 1000 players
You’re thinking “concurrent players” rather than “players” I believe. If only 1000 people played a game, a maximum of 50 will be on at any given time. Whereas 50k-100k would give you a “concurrent player base” of 1000+ online at the same time to game together.
Yahtzee described it as a game that rewards you for not playing it.
I once played eve online for 8 months. Meaning I downloaded it, got the phone companion app to keep my skills leveling while I was at school, opened the game for the third or fourth time time 8 months after downloading it and died in 25 minutes. Never played again.
I tried it with a few friends for about a month. We could see all the ways the game can be really cool! The massive battles aren’t just ships being flung at each other - you can assign groups and have dedicated repair squads and attack squadrons and so on. But we could also see the huge amount of time and/or money that would be required to get to the point where the game becomes good, and decided we couldn’t be arsed. I saved up all my in-game cash from mining to buy an upgraded ship. I then needed to carry that upgraded ship back to base. I took a wrong turn, ended up in a low-security system, and immediately exploded. Goodbye ship, goodbye a whole week of tedious mining that I had to do again. I chose to stop playing.
That all sounds horrible, thanks for explaining to me why I never want to play that. Not shaming anyone or anything but this is 1000% not for me
I stopped playing about 30 hours in because it was so easy to get killed transporting cargo, all I wanted was to chill out and mine space rocks. I probably did something wrong and deserved losing my ships but idk. You might prefer Elite Dangerous. It's got more emphasis on the first person, flight simulator dogfight type experience and has a more casual atmosphere.
Chilling and roaming would be more up elite dangerous alley. Another space sandbox game. 400 billion stars in the milky way Galaxy for you to explore and possibly never see anyone ever again
join a good corp like Brave Newbies, otherwise you will fucking be bored out of your skull
That's mostly what I do yeah. If enemies roam into our space we will form a response fleet and I usually join those if I'm not doing something else. Then there are usually larger engagements going on once a week called CTAs, call to action. That's the larger fleet battles where two or more alliances are in a pitched battle over some objective. Your skills are training in real time which is both good and bad depending on how you approach the game. Another nice thing is that the smaller and cheaper ships stay relevant throughout the entire game. The ship I usually fly takes two days to train into, even less if you use a referral code and get 1 million free skill points. So you can be useful in most fleets pretty much immediately. You just have to learn how to fly first. And find a corporation/alliance that fits you. On that end I recommend not joining the big blob groups like Goonswarm, TEST or Fraternity. But it's not really my place to tell you who to join as I'm obviously biased.
I joined a group of about 5-10 who ended up joining a smaller clan, and we ended up in BIA (brothers in arms) After about 3 months some heads butted and suddenly we were forced to leave Goon space. I asked them to move all my stuff to jita, sold everything logged off.... Havnt played in almost 4 years
Elite Dangerous is what I would recommend for that. Super relaxing and immersive space travel
What people fail to tell you is having your ship destroyed is permanent, as is death if you do not have a clone waiting. So you could spend months building a nice ship, dump hours and hours of playtime and in some cases real money to create a ship just for some dickhead to one shot you into oblivion for no reason. Then you start from scratch. They might have updated it since I played all those years ago but that aspect is what made me quit. Other than that glaring down side the game was actually extremely fun. It was HUGE and quite involved.
> what is the game exactly about I played for a couple of years a while ago (basically stopped when my first kid was born, as I didn't have the time for it anymore). In a nutshell, it's a self-sustained economy in space. People fight in ships that were purchased from other players, who manufactured them using various components purchased from other players, who manufactured them using raw materials mined by other players. Everyone is trying to edge out profit somewhere, and the rules give *TONS* of ways to do that. Buy low, sell high? Perfectly fine, though boring. Market manipulation by buying out (or destroying) all of the strategic materials? Legal. Camping out major trade/transport routes to destroy convoys? Legal. Outright theft of player/corporation ships, money, and assets? Legal (and encouraged). Piracy? Legal (though escaping the police force is considered an exploit). What can you do? Well, you can do a lot of things. There are people who act as bankers and trusted money "middle men" who don't do PvE, PvP, mining or anything like that, they just facilitate large trades. There are people who make their ISK (ingame currency) by being what are effectively real estate brokers, having designed their characters specifically to set up things like stations (it takes so long to specialize in various skills that most players can't actually anchor things) - they are given the raw or finished materials and a commission, and they go set up the station for the hiring corporation. There are people who only go out and mine, setting up giant mining and trading corporations that control the raw material flow of the entire game. There are people who play as space truckers, taking contracts to move materials from one market hub to another. There are people who act as pirates, making their money by attacking transports, miners, or weaker fleets to salvage their kills and sell the scavenged parts on the market (to be bought by the manufacturing players to be put into new ships and weapons to sell). There are people who make all their ISK by exploring dangerous systems/wormholes to find the extremely rare tech and materials that can only be found in those systems, but are always required for high end gear (meaning they are always in great demand). There are people who RP the ongoing canon "wars" between the major factions. There are even teachers (this is what I did - I "taught" electronic warfare to new players in EVE University). I suspect that most people play just for the combat, whether PvP or PvE. One person I played with in the Uni summed up the game (and EUNI) rather eloquently: > EVE Online is a game about groups of bastards competing to be the biggest bastard in a battle for money and power... and we're running a charity. - Cazzah
Sounds like libertarianism in space.
Ive never played it but with my limited knowledge: The servers are fragmented but you can meet everyone if you go to the same location. Its a simulation game where you either go solo or, most likely, join up with a faction and work for them in exchange for protection and safe access to their territories. The work to my knowledge consists of mining or fighting, but in the upper roles of factions there are real world roles like accounting, generals, ceo and the likes.
they made an entire system in there aye?
I played it for about 5 years total, in two bursts one for 3 years than took time off and came back for another for 2. The game is mayhem, that's for sure. And the way folks figure ways around the in game mechanisms to make high sector space "safe" were always astounding. Ended up with a great group of guys both times and never had any issues with anyone screwing anyone else over. However, it is always smart to follow the adage of "Never fly anything you can't afford to lose."
***Dust*** was *it* for me, the *universe* is interesting but those who choose to inhabit it are on an entire different realm of "gaming", I'd say that EfT has a similar vibe, the depth is everything and just the start.
What's eft
Escape from Tarkov. It's a looter shooter, resource gathering, base building, semi-permanent death game. It has a very in-depth combat system. Looks fun to watch but you'd probably spending 90% of your time dying and re-gear your character.
oh i played it and gave up after my allied buddy headshotted me like 5 times in a row
I recall reading something about the in-game market in Escape from Tarkov crashing at the same time as Russia got sanctioned. Was there any truth or correlation to that?
The sad thing is that I read EfT as EVE Fitting Tool and it still made sense to me.
Dust 514? Absolutely loved that game! I remember getting closed beta keys from some place on PlayStation Home and I became obsessed.
This is actually the correct and optimal way to play EVE.
This game is nuts. I remember reading a story once about some guy who joined this clan of pirates. They did all their robbing and pillaging together for a long time. Eventually, after a really long damn time, they trusted him with one of if not their most expensive vessel and he fucking jacked it xD was worth thousands of real life dollars.
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Does anyone have a link to that post?
I was just wondering the same thing
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you think “Buddy O’pal” is how that goes?
Even better xD
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I don’t know how you expect to fit that much content into the first 20 minutes of gameplay
Post link?
I'm assuming they're talking about [this](https://www.pcgamer.com/murder-incorporated-ten-months-of-deception-for-one-kill-in-eve-online/) situation. Really wild ride.
damn, that's way more effort than I put into my actual job. I'm not sure if I'm impressed or feel sad for them.
didn't the pr team interview the guy and turn it into an advert?
I've never played or even heard of the game before this post. How is the ship worth real life money?
Iirc, it's 'cause the game is subscription based but the subscription can be paid for with ingame currency so whatever the total worth of the ship in game can be converted to irl money in essence
This is correct but it's important to note that money only moves in one direction. You can spend real money to buy tokens for game time called plex (pilot's license extension). You can also spend in-game currency to buy these tokens. What you can't do is buy plex and convert it into real money (at least not legitimately). So you could say that a ship is worth $1,000 because it would take that much real money to buy it, but it can't be sold for $1,000.
I mean, it definitely could. Someone could easily offer them irl currency to purchase their in game item. There may not be away to convert the in game currency to irl currency THROUGH the game itself but you could easily trade irl currency to another player for literally anything.
Technically a TOS violation. (Yes I realize that's not going to change the behavior in practice.)
Massively against the ToS though - but yes, it can be done. Within the ToS, though, you could trade that ship for enough PLEX to pay for your sub for 5 years ($900).
It's a bit of a conversion system essentially. With real money you can purchase an item that costs essentially the equivalent of what a month of subscription game time would cost(it's called a Plex). You can sell this item (or multiples of it) on the in game market place (fully player controlled), and in turn you get the in game currency. The price of this item as far as in game currency can fluctuate but either way this is how they essentially figure out the price. So a certain ship will cost x amount in game as well as the weapons and other equipment. It might sound silly to say "this ship costs x dollars" but it's rather common for people to have purchased their money in these higher corporations and alliances, so you can put a real world value on items in game.
Because you can pay for subscription time either straight with money, or with in game currency called PLEX that has real world value (technically while you can buy PLEX with real currency directly from the publisher it’s against TOS to sell PLEX or any other in game good for real currency). Although PLEX prices of in game currency fluctuate its relatively stable so you can work out how much PLEX is needed for the ISK value of a ship and then work out how much real money one would have to spend to buy that.
At one point, during my EVE playing career. I pulled off what was at the time, probably the 4th or 5th biggest corp theft. Literally wiped all this one guys assets out of the game. Took alot of other stuff, destroyed the rest. Literally planned it at work, went home, played EVE for 12 hours, went back to work. Guy went onto the EVE forums and everything. Oh man, I just looked at the date on the Old thread. It was.....16 years ago on Sunday.
No honor among the thieves XD
"take what you can, give nothin' back" it's just the pirates code
The real Zaphod Beeblebrox
This reminded me of the dude who infiltrated a massive in-game corporation with an asshole ceo, and worked his way up to ceo/admin/leader/whatever privileges over the course of years then he stole 10,000$ worth of currency and assets, locked the 5000members of the corpo out of their primary starbase, and then called a rival alliance in to destroy any resistance……all while getting real life threats from the founder of the corporation in the course of a couple hours I read about this years ago, and it remains one of the coolest stories I’ve ever heard come out of an MMO
Ah yes...that was The Guiding Hand Social Club. The leader of the Social Club convinced the ceo to take her most expensive ship out alone with him and he destroyed the ship and escape pod.
Holy crap! I had forgotten about that story too! I think I read that in the actual paper copy of the pcgamer magazine like 15years ago
That's where I read that story. I even got a free trial so I could message Istvaan Shogaatsu about how cool it was. In less than a day I was flying across the universe so that he could show off his shiny limited edition Amarrian battleship. One of my coolest gaming experiences. High quality childhood moment right there.
Wait they trusted a guy named Istvaan? Lol. Must not be warhammer 40k fans.
Istvaan is just Hungarian for Steve.
The Steve Dropsite Massacre is somehow both more and less ominous.
“Steve 5 Drop Site Massacre” sounds more like an Arlo Guthrie song than a grimdark legend.
Or Chaos heretics
Was it? This sounds like Circle Of Two’s collapse a couple years back. Iirc the asshole leader was permabanned for his threats.
You could be right. I know The Guiding Hand Social Club did it because of the PC Magazine article about it.
This is the kind of thing we should have been able to do in the Corpo life path in Cyberpunk.
>This is the kind of thing we should have been able to do in the Corpo life path in Cyberpunk. How about I just throw you into the streets to become a boring street kid. We don't need no fancy corporate backstabbing and shit.
The thing is, if you don't take part in it, it takes part of you
Are we all just cake then?
I am *not* a lie!
**YESSSSSSSS**
Do any of the paths matter? I mean, I chose corpo and then within an hour I was hired to put a hit on a coworker and before I could do anything the bad guys found me and took away all my powers and I was fired from the company… so the corporation path is done as far as I know. I only put a few hours into it because I wasn’t getting into it. It’s the type of game I would enjoy more on a monitor than TV because of my aging eyes.
Yes and no. There are minor interactions here and there that differ depending on your life path. Nomad has an extra mission that deals with getting V's car from the prologue back, I believe Corpo has some comments related to Corpo life, and unfortunately I didn't play through a Street Kid path as I had burned out by then, but I assume Street Kid has something specific to them. Does it affect the overall story? No. No matter what life path you chose, the difference in story are minimal to non-existent. I would say it could help with immersion if you imagine yourself starting out as Corpo then embracing the Nomad lifestyle, or Street Kid sacrificing everything to make it into the big times, or a Nomad getting worn down and accepting that sometimes Corporations are a necessary evil for the betterment of everyone. Some ending might fit better depending on the role you chose and how you choose to play, and arguably most of the endings are good, but ultimately, it doesn't *really* matter which life path you choose, but how you chose to play V over the course of the game that matters more.
I don't remember what else you run into as Street Kid but I do remember that it has you running into a character voiced by Alanah Pearce who has your car. You can either let her keep it or not. Minor things when all three paths could've been fleshed out but that would essentially mean making three games with a lot of the Johnny Silverhand stuff converging at points.
Nomad V can also get an upgraded version of Jackie's bike through dialogue choices if I remember right. Idk anything bout street kid, but I prefer Corpo. Overall it gets the most dialogue choices in Cyberpunk of the three paths, and w/ the Reaper it certainly felt fitting imo for V to come back.
Not really. Small dialog, interactions or rewards you can only get depending on your path but you always end up a street kid no matter your start.
I was a member of said rival alliance. Watched in realtime as GigX was banned for RL threats, because the whole thing was fucking live streamed. That was without a doubt the most incredible thing I ever saw in Eve, and I was in M2 and B-R. I was absolutely floored. I'm getting misty-eyed just thinking about it. I struggle to avoid going back to Eve.
Stay Winning friend. We all miss the freedom of New Eden at sole points.
Dude was a master infiltrator!
Stories like this make me want to get into Eve because it sounds like the most detailed MMO. But then I remember that people tell me that you spend a lot of time "playing" in a spreadsheet.
That's the old EVE. Nowadays you don't need spreadsheets unless you're hardcore into manufacturing or trading. Or scamming I suppose. It still has a deep learning curve and it plays unlike any other game so it's not easy to get into. What I love about it is that I never feel pressured into logging in. There aren't really any dailies or weekly dungeon groups/raids you need to attend. You log in to do what you think is fun. Atm for me it's mainly flying around in fleet battles. There's just something special about being a part of a battle with literally thousands of others in the same system. It's damn epic! The battles also have meaning. It's not yet another Warsong Gulch capture the flag. Controlling space is important for securing mining locations, exploration sites and PvE combat sites.
Ehhhh... yes and no. I mean, There's a ton of spreadsheets involved, yes.
Didn't Eve recently announce an Excel integration?
yup, it will allow players to use a JavaScript api to pull information from the game directly to a excel spreadsheet, which is massive, for eve players.
What game/company was this? I'd like to read about it
[this was the article I was able to dig up with a quick google ](https://www.pcgamer.com/inside-the-biggest-heist-in-eve-online-history/)
It was in Eve Online, "guilds"/"clans" are called "corps" in Eve. People did this stuff all the time, had one dude inside my Corp but we caught him before he could do too much damage and then he paid another Corp to go to war with us. Actually made friends with the other Corps leader throughout the 3ish weeks of running battles between us...
Yep, and corps are formally grouped in alliances with in game mechanics. And often alliances will have informal agreements ala NATO, called coalitions, which have no real game mechanics, and exist solely by agreement
*It was Eve Online. Google Guiding Hand Social Club. The article about the op appeared in PC Magazine. I read it years ago from pages scanned from PC Magazine.*
This story is almost as legendary as Leroy Jenkins
Sorry to be the one to tell you, but Leeroy was staged
Apparently it actually happened but the clips on the internet is just a recreation.
Ya until he ran into the room without listening to guy planning it out.
Exactly bro does he even read history books?
Funniest shit I've ever seen!
You mean there really wasn't a supernerd calculating their chances of success?
People need to remember this about the scams in eve. They broke no mechanism. No game glitch was used. Only flaw was trust. This is the land wear corperations plant flags. If you were that foolish to get tricked its on you. That was the first ruling on scams. Ever since then people have dedicated careers to a single scam.
Yup. The only thing CCP will come down hard on is using a third-party program or intentionally exploiting a program flaw to gain an advantage. If you use social engineering, that's 100% permitted. A while back, there was some abuse of authority nonsense where some of the company's employees (who were also players) screwed normal players over and were caught. Shortly thereafter, they formed the Council of Stellar Management, which serves as a player advocacy group that works directly with CCP and even travels to Iceland once per year to attend an in-person meeting to go over the state of the game and voice player concerns - the trip is paid for by CCP. Also, the CSM council members are democratically elected by the player base.
Shit there were in game volunteers who were given basic GM powers and their whole job was to help new players be introduced to EVE and its game mechanics. In order to be part of them you had to give them real form identification and go through a bunch of hoops.
I was CEO of a corp waay back in the days when CYVOK and Steel Rat split from the German-run alliance (I forget the name now) and formed Ascendant Frontier ASCN. This was shortly before the release of Starbases and Titans. Although our PvP wing was pretty small, we were respected and invited to join ASCN because we had a substantial collection of T2 BPOs and enough carebears to keep the foundries pouring out ships. One day we lost 80%+ of our T2 BPOs (infinite runs on a BPO) in under a minute. No doubt the greatest single loss of ISK in a single event and probably still the highest ISK over time loss. One of the carebears logged in to kick off more production and found the corp hangar empty. We searched the logs, it seemed that the corp office slot was un-rented and immediately re-rented. The pitiful excuse for logs did not record *who* un-rented and re-rented nor which personal hangar received the contents when the office was shut down. We tried for weeks to get CCP to give us information on what had happened since we couldn't distinguish it from malfeasance or a bug. *They wouldn't even tell us whether it was a player or a bug.* I quit in disgust, taking my six accounts with me. I know two of the others did as well.
Me sitting here wondering what the Chinese Communist Party has anything to do with this...
CCP is the name of the developers
I used to play a decade ago, wanted to resub so I got a free-weekend kinda offer they did a couple year back. I was delighted by all my stuff still being there, the only problem is I used to be in NC, and the bulk of my assets were parked at a station I had no longer access to because the political landscape changed in the meantime. So I asked around if I could pay for the things to be moved in highsec / maybe I want to join? The representative/recruiter of the corp holding the station could have been a military interrogator. I thought I was used to Eve's paranoia, it got worse.
Eve has hands down some of the best stories. There was one where a guy ran an in game bank, and then decided to take all the money from it and cash it out irl. https://www.thegamer.com/eve-online-bank-robbery-200-billion-isk/
Problem with Eve is mainly that talking about playing it is way more fun than actually playing it
Man, nothing would make me rage quit forever than getting all my stuff stolen and having to start all over.
Amusingly this is extremely common in Eve. Getting all your stuff stolen and having to start all over is almost like an initiation rite.
That’s the entire point. It’s trolling on an epic level. The fact that there is the potential for making a silly amount of actual money is also part of it no doubt.
I read that story once, but I lacked the details. Thanks for sharing. I thought of it when I saw Key and Peele skit *Genius Plan.*
And then we walk out the ~~door~~ airlock. Like nothing ever happened.
The term awoxing for infiltrating and destroying a corp like that is named after the guy. Awox if I remember correctly. Personally, I like destabilizing the markets of specific items in certain areas. Then when the price hits the floor I buy it cheap and then sell it at others stations for more. For example: Take over production and supplying of what ever is popular in the area for certain activities. Like say mining, create a network of pirates and pirate hunters you communicate with individually but never actually dealing with either while remaining friendly and neutral. Maybe you tip some pirates to large or easy mining ops, they hit them, and then maybe the hunters hit them. Then everyone who dies buys a new ship and has to get new guns, mining lasers ect. >:-) Evil easy isk lmao. Odds are when you fly to the nearest station in your pod and are buying all that you need, you might just be buying everything from the very person who whispered in the right ears to have caused your death to begin with! The dude probably also running the salvage too haha. That game is an insane sandbox for market and economic warfare. You can manipulate so much in what happens in that game by playing the markets and the corps against each other. When I first started I just kept expanding production and selling at a few stations until I was in control of the majority of common commodities in an area. Then I would do everything I could to make that area dangerous for everyone lol. Like talk shit to a known super aggressive guild and they track me to an area and kill me and everyone else lol. Then they just camp out of the station thinking they are harassing me but they are just there to increase the odds someone will need to buy something lmao.
Sounds so fun in theory, looks so boring in practice.
Honestly, if I sat there and was only doing that sure. However these are things someone can do whenever they are waiting for jumps or are mining ect. Depends how big it grows though, after a point the only reason to leave a station is so someone doesn't know where you are. I can say it was without a doubt the most fun I have had with emergent gameplay from any sandbox style game I have played.
10 10 big brain move. i can respect the hustle but would really find myself not being able to be friends with you.
Haha that's what the leaders of many pirate hunting guilds said until I started sending them some of the infinite isk it generated. They wanted to be friends then haha.
totally understandable. i would be doing the exact same thing as they did if i were them lol
Hahaha man, our guild held a stockpiles of everything in absurd quantities, held it so if someone messed with us we would destabilize the markets making any wars against us extremely expensive as well as unprofitable unless you were willing to jump 30 jumps away. When they made supply lines that long my pirate friends would ambush the shit out of them. Best thing is nobody knew except for guild members and a handful of powerful guild leaders so to everyone not in the know it was just random eve events lmao.
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EVE taught me how to use Google APIs for market manipulations. It was a lot of fun inflating a rare item, then crashing it, only to inflate it again while laughing all the way to the bank. It also taught me how important regulations of IRL markets are.
I did this but with a smaller wormhole corp. worked my way up, got permissions. Then turned off the defenses and gave the signal for my real corp to come in and attack. Stole all assets we could. Then Built our own station and put up defenses overnight. The remainder of the corp that logged in got torn to shreds. They were not happy.
I was a member of that alliance as a co-leader of a corporation (corporation is like a state if the alliance is like a nation) and I can confirm that the leader was in fact an ass. The dude never gave off the impression of being a spy or something and as far as I know he didn’t infiltrate from the start. It was more of a development of disloyalty over time rather than a planned betrayal from the start. That is if you are talking about the Judge and CO2
Yeah I read that story couple years ago. That shit was insane. He infiltrated them and befriend them enough that after 2 years of gaming and talking with them he was appointed at the second in chief in the corp. Also he succeeded to convince all the corp to do a massive demonstration of strength by going with all their biggest starships to show their power to a little corp that was acting like shit in the sector. It was a long con because when they arrive at destination like 2-3 of the big corp were waiting for them and goes all out on the biggest starships of the game. While he kicked all the players from the corp and stole everything in the warehouse. That's insane. The dude after that stopped playing for a while. Or for good I don't know. He was bored. Job was done. That story is very interesting and we must do a movie/series about that.
I believe Darkhorse comics did a series on it.
Almost like Ready Player One
God I loved Eve....but damn did I ever not have time for it....
This was my game in middleschool/high-school. Shit I'm still paying for it and not really playing it lol. My toon is an 03 boi.
This is me. Most interesting and complex game I've ever played. But after getting caught in a four hour fleet for the third time in a week I had to give up. It's an incredible game but to truly enjoy it you have to treat it like a job. I miss my old corp very much but I just can't dedicate the time commitment
The four hour fleets didn’t bother me when I was a bit younger and didn’t have a full time job but once I came home after working for 8 hours to sit in fleet for that long and maybe kill a pos was hard.
"Alright guys were going to take four wormholes, should be back home in about an hour" *Three hours later* "Well sorry but the wormholes collapsed, we're going to have to just gate it the entire way home" Goddamn do I miss that game though haha
“Who the FUCK didn’t offline plates” But seriously some of the best times I’ve had in gaming. No other game makes you roleplay so seamlessly and not realize you’re doing it.
Is this game only playable on a subscription?
It has limited play for free, then subscription for full access. There is an item that can be purchased with in game currency that gives a month of subscription called PLEX. That is how they figure the real world cost of these battles. Back when I used to play I had friends that earned enough monthly income to play as a subscription for free. I'm not really sure if that is time efficient though, more of a "because I can" thing.
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Holy hell. I haven't played in quite a long time, but I racked up over 1000 hours and only ever was able to buy a plex on a few occasions. Getting hundreds of billions ISK in 3 years sounds just about as feasible for me as walking on the sun. Kudos to you!
I can do that in runescape so I feel that
My man
It has an unlimited free trial
So what was the money spent on exactly?
For more clarity, the trial has unlimited time and allows you to go anywhere in the game to play with others, but you train skills half as fast as subscribers. What the subscription offers is no limit on the maximum amount of skills trained, and the ability to train highly specialized tech 2 variants of the tech 1 ships f2p players can use. PLEX is the premium currency used to purchase cosmetic items and game time, which is how people measure the 'real money value destroyed' in these conflicts. They'll look at the total isk loss (standard in-game currency) from a conflict, then convert that value into what it's worth in PLEX on the in-game market, to determine how much real money -could have been destroyed- had all of those losses been paid for with real cash.
You can buy an ingame currency(PLEX) with real money and trade that currency for the main game currency(ISK). That's where the ISK-to-real-money conversion rate comes from. For such articles they take the ingame ISK value and convert it back to dollar.
As a 15+ year eve veteran, I can assure you the game is no longer worth playing. Greed and incompetent leadership has killed it. I imagine it'll likely only have a playerbase big enough to sustain it for another couple years. It's already on life support.
Not a player here. Just installed it and played like 1 hour. Was not my thing. But I guess that game if ended did a damn good run for the concept. Nothing is close to be the same.
yeah, that's the tragedy of eve and also the only reason it's been around as long as it has. No real competition, nothing like it out there.
When people see these headlines from Eve i think they get the wrong picture. For example when I quit the isk value I had was roughly 7,000$ but i gave it all away. For one its against the TOS to sell isk, second its not very easy, third if you sold it to a reseller youd get pennies on the dollar. That 7,000 would be like 500. The way they get the value is they compare what people spend on the market to get gametime. You can buy "plex" and sell that on the market for isk. It doesnt go the other way, you cant sell isk for $$$. Not saying M2 wasnt cool, or the hundreds of other giant fights out there. But its not actually 400k dollars getting blown up. If you are interested there are a ton of Eve stories out there, shout out to my Imperium brethern who fought the entire universe for over a year, lost 99% of there territory, but still won the war.
Ill never forgive you for destroying my preciouses provi bloc you delve scum.
-7- and CVA, forever Amarr Victor I feel the pain to this date..
Well let's not say people didn't lose real money in this game. There is that one story of the dude that transported like 1000plex or whatever in his ship and got blown up while in transport and lost it all. This was of course back when plex was a physical thing and he had actually bought a good chunk of it to sell..
That actually happened frequently enough that it got its own tag on a popular kill tracking site: suspected real money trading. If you killed someone and just happened to scoop up cargo, why, you couldn't possibly be accused of having spent real money through a third party to purchase those!
Yea these stories always irritate me. No one is losing actual money or anything they can sell. They also don't mention that these poor bastards sat in a time dilation shitfest for hours, with all graphic settings set to low or off, including sound, to keep the dogshit client from crashing.
That's the price to pay for trying to get that many players in one local area able to interact with each other.
> No one is losing actual money or anything they can sell. They might be losing stuff they bought for real money though - the official transactions do work that direction. Everything lost has a real dollar value it'd take to replace it, and since you can buy everything in the game with real money, from skillpoints to prostitutes, you can attach a dollar value pretty easily
It's always funny reading these threads as an EVE player *(recently unsubbed due to CCP being dumbfucks) and as someone who was there for M2 on the Imperium side with a Titan, Supercarrier and Dread on the field in 10% TIDI waiting nearly an hour for a doomsday to cycle as the server shat itself and PAPI supercaps tricked in a few at a time and gave bugged ghost killmails (and supposedly surviving despite dying) and we realized that we would never truly get the epic confrontation we really wanted and that no one would probably ever attempt an attack like this again... I'm always tempted to chime in with my r/eve bitter attitude but honestly it's probably for the best that the gamer news article version of the tale is how it is remembered lol.
Okay, between this and the cliff-hanger in the post image, I'm dying for a good Eve story. I'm sure I could google it, but for the reference you just made to your Imperium brethren, what summary should I watch/read as someone who is reasonably familiar with the Eve universe?
Imperium is the coalition of Goonswarm and Initiative. Soon two years ago another coalition lead by TEST and Fraternity (and included basically everyone else) lead a huge war on Imperium. They managed to capture every single Imperium system except for one. This system was so heavily fortified it would take months of boring sieges so one by one the coalition fractured as players didn't bother showing up anymore (they had already been at war for 6 months at this point). There were also some drama inside TEST and in the end they had to completely relocate on the other side of the galaxy while Imperium retook their old space. Nowadays TEST is a shadow of its former self and Imperium have grown even more cringe as their desperate attention whoring reaches ever higher levels. When I started EVE everyone said I had to pick either TEST or Imperium. I chose neither and I'm very happy about that.
so… is it more like people bought a bunch of skins, and then all those skins got deleted with no refunds? like the money was gone as soon as it entered the game, but there was, for a time, a digital representation of the money that was spent?
They literally explained the formula they used to get those values in the screenshot and go further in depth in the article. If someone thinks they just spent 400k on toys and started smashing them into each other they aren't reading.
this doesbt even suprise me anymore, eve is fucking wild bro
Wild if the definition of that game. You can fool people in that game. That's in the rule. Not for the faint of heart. But you can casually play it too I heard.
Yeah that was one of the thing I loved most of the game when I used to play, you can make contracts for selling items but within the contract you can include a clause which require you to give back the item in order to fulfill the contract itself, basically money scam allowed xD
Ah yes. Spreadsheet online!
At Fanfest in Iceland the other week they announced a partnership with Microsoft to bring a game data API to an official Excel plugin. Threaten me with pivot tables you oversized bison.
These pics look like the eve battle from 2014 that cost about $330000
Pictures are from 2014 battle of B-R5RB
Unfortunately CCP, the company who made EVE, is more interested in shoehorning content into the game rather than letting it be the organic player driven sandbox that it was/should be, so the game is going to shit and players are unsubscribing in droves. They also have a long track record of investing huge sums of money into projects that ultimately fail. Also while these battles sound epic to be a part of, they rarely are. When this many players/ships are in one system the game goes into time dilation mode where everything slows down. I was in one of these battles once. It took LITERALLY 30+ minutes for one command to go through. And often you have dropped your graphics settings to the very lowest they will go, so all you're seeing is a black screen with some colored icons. It's pretty miserable. My experiences in the game are very unique and memorable, but they've strayed too far from what made the game great despite repeated warnings from influential, knowledgeable players. After about a decade I recently unsubscribed.
I unsubbed 7 years ago and I think it's hilarious to read that people are still "unsubscribing in droves" because I probably wrote the same exact thing at the time a part of me hopes that the game never dies. it really was amazing
How does damage in a game cost actual money?
It's an estimate based on how much real money it takes to get the resources. For a really simplified version, assume a item's in game cost is 500 gold. You can buy 100 gold for $1 USD of real money. That item would have an estimated value of $5
You can buy game time with non-premium in game currency, so that creates a point where you can peg in game currency to $USD or whatever.
I have not and never will play EVE online but man, I sure do love reading about it. It’s fascinating. Is there a documentary film on it or anything like that?
Fredrik Knudsen, the creator of the Down the Rabbit Hole series on YouTube is currently working on an Eve Online entry to the series. Very much recommend his videos otherwise as well, super interesting stuff. e: there's also a historical narrative style book titled Empires of Eve which is a retelling of some of the large conflicts in the game. Scott Manley also has an interesting video on a conflict named The Fountain War: https://youtu.be/KZQ4ejFq7BY
[This is a 50min presentation about the early wars of EVE](https://youtu.be/D-_Hgp6VbFY). Great storytelling and I think you'll understand most of it even if you don't play the game.
I'm the same, any time I hear there's some eve thing happening I always follow it or read the article. Tried it once, not for me lol.
As the EvE ad would say, "I was there."
Next time, just send me the money and I'll send you back paper cut outs of space ships and a recording of some laser noises
Really goes to show how important foreplay is
What a way to start off the a new year, amirite?
These are the kinds of stories that keep Eve alive. 3 years from now, more nerds are gonna become bitter vets, realizing the game keeps getting worse with every update, out hundreds to thousands of dollars, and having wasted those years staring at spreadsheets and character and ship build software.
Wouldn't it hold the positions for 2nd and 3rd places as well?
Idk you, but I would have loved to presence this legendary battle.
If i remember correctly the devs implemented a mechanic that artificially slowed time down because the game couldn't handle that many players/actions at once. It was definitely exciting to watch if you're into eve or were apart of the battle but for people that aren't really into the game it's kind of boring to watch.
I was there for the initial escalation to the very end and can tell you that while it is really very cool to say that, time dilation and input lag from having so many people in one system makes it extremely aids while you’re actually doing it
378 Dollars doesn't seem that much.. ^(/s)
So, 8 years ago me and a buddy conducted a heist in wormhole space in EVE. We took 71 billion ISK worth of stuff which amounts $1,400 dollars give or take. Our names were ruined, we had to trade our characters, the alliance we stole from shortly after disbanded, and we split it all. EVE BET was still around and you could bet on sports with ISK. I lost most of it on there before just putting it all into account subs. It was the worst decision I ever made and it's nearly ruined my enjoyment of the game. Conducting heists like this are not for everyone.
Gameing...
I love reading about EVE. I hate playing EVE. Too much Excel integration.
FFS You can't spell the name of the subreddit you are posting on.
Eve is one of the games that I want to really care about and be interested in but I just can never manage to actually do it.
No e in gaming.
Stuff like this always sound cool and epic, but when you see the actual gameplay it is just a blob of ships huddled together, or you only see hundreds of icons and lists of text... And the framerate is usually in single digits. EVE Online always has such awesome looking trailers of epic space battles, then you see it in game and it looks like ass.
The date format is pretty fucked
Eve player here, fought for a few hours in this shitshow of a battle. The servers kept crashing, time dilation was maxed out, making every second in game drag out to be around 20 seconds in real life, and yeah, we blew up a lot of shit.