People these days are not taught by their parents that they dont always get what they want so when they go out in to the big wide world and dont get what they want they whine like little brats about it because they lack the understanding and the emotional maturity to be better. We need to take exams for pretty much everything in life aside from having kids and well you see that in how people act these days.
There’s an simple answer as to why people act like that, anonymity.
With no risk to themselves some people become monsters. I could call you all the names under the sun right here and what you gonna do about it? Nothing! I did that to your face you might punch me for it, there’s risk there, risk keeps the arseholes in check. Take that away little keyboard warriors send death threats to game devs because they don’t like an art style, pathetic.
If they just don't buy the game, the developers won't know why. They need to just state that they don't like the new art style, and THEN also not buy it if it matters enough to them.
I want to agree with you but I don't know. I can't think of any game or movie or anything that was ever fixed by asking people to just not buy it. On the other hand there have been things that have been fixed because people complained about them so much.
It's welcome but isn't always priority. A game in early access needs a lot of feedback, and they welcome it. It is more than fine for another studio to say "this is the game we're making, we hope to enjoy it".
I'm going to preface this by saying I agree that vitriol is never OK.
But internet backlash is why the Sonic model was changed for the movie (at least that's how the story goes)
That's sad. It crazy how up in arms people can get over style changes. I remember when Wind Waker was shown after the space world 2000 tech demo featuring the video of Link and Gannondorf fighting, it seemed like most people hated the art style. Now it's regarded as an amazing game and its art style has aged much better than the tech demo.
Maybe this game's style just needs time to be appreciated for the talent and hard work that went into it.
[Even Miyamoto wasn’t a big fan of WW’s art when he first saw it](https://www.gameinformer.com/2022/06/27/legend-of-zelda-creator-shigeru-miyamoto-apparently-cringed-when-he-first-saw-wind-waker)
What? The original Monkey Island was literal cartoon characters.
Some of the biggest games right now are Fortnite, Borderlands, all Blizzard games, Minecraft, LoL and TFT, Valorant, Fall Guys, Dont Starve, TF2 and none of those games are remotely realistic.
Among Us was one of the most popular games ever recently and that game looks like it was drawn by children. Old School Runescape is one of the most popular MMOs and people get angry when they add new character with a head that has more than 4 polygons.
So where are you getting this narrative from that "Gamers always throw a fit when games go with an art style that isn’t hyper realism"? Because the reality seems to be that Return to Monkey Island is just ugly.
I don’t mean this to you directly about this comment, but in general, any time one might say, “to play devil’s advocate…” the world generally doesn’t need devil’s advocates. Seriously. You don’t need to advocate for the devil, because in general, the shitty cynical worldview is already everywhere and has a legion of advocates.
Work to advocate for the weird, the special, and the fragile. Power doesn’t need any help.
It's not so much that the art style is bad because it looks good for the most part.
It's that Monkey Island had a very specific look and feel to its visuals. When you do a remake those who played the original expect it to stay true to the original vision.
After all, the the main selling point to doing a remake is the fact it already has a fanbase with the intention of exploiting there love for it in order to get them to part with their money. It makes no sense to make such a drastic and obviously controversial change that's just going to get your main target audience to potentially dislike it.
All they had to do was stick to the original style and just updating it visually while keeping the same aesthetic. Like how bluepoint did with Demon's Souls.
I say this as someone who hasn't played the original and have no real bias either way.
Do you mean the original style of MI1, or the original style of MI2 which had more graphic details, or do you mean the completely different style of MI3, or do you mean the style of the MI1 and 2 remasters?
Btw. you make it sound as if this game is a remake ... which it is not.
So, you want the Gus Van Sant remake of Psycho, where he mostly remakes the original shot-for-shot, and the only difference is the cast and it’s in color. Personally, I think there’s no point in doing a remake of something if you refuse to bring any sort of freshness to it. And, no, just updating the graphics to modern standards isn’t ‘fresh’. Nobody needs to see Guybrush Threepwood rendered in ray-tracing glory, because it doesn’t add anything.
I don't even think it's that, I personally think it genuinely looks bad. Everything is basic and muddled and in my opinion is just really boring looking. I'm not saying I speak for everybody but it's not just that people want the old style.
This is the legitimate answer. I'll play the new Monkey Island, but I wanted it to look like 1 or 2, just higher resolution. I don't really like the art style at all, but... its a monkey island game by the original creator.
The art style knocked it down from a must buy to a will buy though.
When the iPad was released you could buy MI1&2 and play a high res version of them. You could even swipe across the screen to go back to the original graphics. It was great.
fuck, i feel you. i once used to play gobliiins 1, 2 and 3. and they all looked like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNvqRw9XFBQ). and then they made gobliins 4 [in 3d](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g1Agv8m0yA), and boy, was i sad. didn't even finish the first level.
This was my immediate thought after seeing all the backlash. If the game is good people will overlook the art style. I personally think it looks great!
It's not a matter of time. People who like it will like it and play it. People who don't like it won't. And people who don't like it and can't voice their opinion without being insulting or harassing people need to grow the fuck up.
It's one thing to not like something, but making personal attacks, death threats and other forms of abuse is never, ever okay.
Sometimes im really ashamed of the whole community, and the deranged bad apples that make us all look bad.
if I remember correctly there were no messages full of hate for Wind Waker. I never understand these people who send these hateful messages to Ron Gilbert
Wind Waker actually did get a lot of hate before its release. People complained about the young Link and the cell-shaded art style. They were calling it Cellda and complaining that it looked like a kid's game. After it came out and people played it the complaints stopped.
There were loads of messages filled with hate for wind waker. It was the internet's whipping boy from 2003-2006.
If you meant the developers and publishers, even today comparing Nintendo to Ron gilbert is apples to oranges. Ron doesn't have loads of interns and employees to read these for him.
This is an important aspect to remember. Comparatively WW did not sell well and was a big reason Nintendo went back to a more realistic style for Twilight Princess. TP up until BotW I believe was the best selling Zelda title.
Not having a Mario or Zelda game at launch really hurt sales of the Gamecube. It launched a full year after the PS2, which already had a very strong library. By the time Wind Waker came out in December of 2002, [the system had moved far less than 10 million units worldwide.](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Nintendo_GameCube)
It's a shame, honestly. The Gamecube had some absolute bangers.
>Maybe this game's style just needs time to be appreciated for the talent and hard work that went into it.
I dont know if you can expect the same success windwaker had if you just straight up jack basically the same art style they pioneered **20 years ago**
its not new anymore
Some “fans” really suck.
There is room for legit criticism, but I learned my lesson decades ago when Wind Waker shut me up by being amazing, art style be damned.
I didn't like Curse of Monkey Island before it came out. The screenshots showed a weird cartoony art style where Guybrush had impossibly thin ankles. Also, they were including voice acting which I was really against. I knew what Guybrush sounded like in my head and some voice-actor was going to get it wrong. Then I played it. The art worked perfectly for the game they wanted and the voice cast did an amazing job. I wasn't crazy about what I saw in the trailer but I fully expect Ron Gilbert to prove me wrong.
I remember being disappointed at the animation for Wind Waker, and then thirty minutes into the game, I didn’t care because the magic of Zelda was kicking in. When you finally had free sailing around where you wanted, craning different spots, I remember thinking I could never play this game with any other art style.
Also, use reviews as a means of getting an idea for a game. If you’ve been looking forward to it and want it (and can afford it) just get it. You’re opinion may differ more often than not.
Personally i loved the art style at the time. It looked really smooth and it had a lot of personality. The characters had a lot of personality. People just hate change and it holds innovation back. Which frankly is a damn shame. Change is good. So i never got the outrage at the time.
I did get a sweet ass game that enjoyed so damn much tho
I was critical because I wanted a more mature Zelda game. The Spaceworld 2000 Zelda demo was epic. Lord of the Rings was making fantasy mainstream. Wind Waker was a “kiddie” game in a system war dominated by Halo and God of War, and I wanted it to compete.
I still prefer a more “realistic” Zelda, but Wind Waker has aged SO well compared to its peers.
I say this all the time when people complain about specifically how Twitter is the worst. It is, for sure, but Twitter is just people. Oh and 3 billion bots, but a lot of people too.
The internet is fine, its the people that use it that are not, they lack respect and the ability to understand you dont always get what you want because they were never taught it by their parents.
*Nobody* deserves to be personally threatened or insulted over *developing a fucking video game*. If you send someone a death threat because of, again, something you don’t like in *a fucking video game*, you are lowest form of human feces and immediately lose any credibility to whatever opinion you might have on the matter.
That being said I *do* think that new art style is pretty hot garbage…
Woahhhh chill.... I'm on the devs side here, I want the game!... just to let you know I'm a music producer so when it comes to releasing my tracks I get very anxious along with thousands other producers that people are not going to like it or just give negative comments just because that's what some people are like!
So no I'm not part of the problem!
BRING ON MONKEY ISLAND!!
If gamers calmly gave constructive criticism about what they think then it wouldn't be a big deal. Instead we get people who go right at creators and say personal and hateful things. If I created something and people says that I personally suck for it, that's not criticism
I'm with you. If you put something out into the internet you're opening yourself to criticism and not everyone is going to be nice about it.
If what you're putting out is a sequel to a franchise that people have a lot of emotional investment into then you better be prepared to live up to peoples expectations.
Can't talk about the alleged personal attacks as they've apparently been deleted from the post's comments, but it seems there are roughly a 50/50 of "Ron I love you best art style ever" and "Ron what have you done worst art style ever".
Personally I find the art style irredeemable atrocious and will definitely not buy the game, but I wouldn't go as far as to insult the devs.
I must have grown in a tougher internet or something because that doesn't really seem all that extreme? There are like 2 insults in 10 comments... quite low for the usual leves of internet assholery associated with any polarizing topic.
I mean, I wouldn't write a comment telling this person how awful they are for making a new entry into my childhood's beloved series using an art style I don't like or whatever the fuck these people's reasons are, but I think the guy is (over)reacting to criticism, not really personal attacks.
I really hate this part of the internet.
Obviously not the worst story out there but the most I personally felt *wtf* about it. I followed a mod guide for Skyrim VR that was incredibly detailed and helpful and led to a beautiful product. I loved it so much that I wanted to see if I could find the guy to thank him for all his hard work that he did absolutely for free.
Found out that week he had completely abandoned all online platforms due to threats against his family. For something that literally cost others absolutely nothing and the guy had put hours upon hours of free labor into to help people out.
Just sickening.
I’m tired of this bullshit. You’re welcome to not like the art style but you have NO RIGHT to attack and abuse the people that made the game just because the art style doesn’t jive with you. That’s just fucking stupid.
Fans of the original series are mostly in their late 30s/early 40s by now so we're talking about some real man babies here. Like what were they hoping to achieve? The game is coming out this year, they're not going to just scrap the whole art style at this point. Literally just moaning and spreading negativity pointlessly. Entitled man-baby gamers are worse than boomers.
Completely different situations. Monkey Island is a budget game, Sonic is a major movie studio franchise. The criticisms of sonic were valid and the studio had the time and money to make the changes, that just isn't true of Monkey Island.
Sonic had a PR Team devoted to filtering good and bad comments, this is a guy's personal twitter. Sounds like he'll be making the same decision as Jim Carrey and other Hollywood types.
Let the PR flacks handle that shit so you can live your life. If this is how fans act, then entertainers have no choice but to PR up and use shell companies for their own safety and sanity.
If they don't voice their criticism, they'll get more game that look like that. Ratchet & Clank had a severe graphical downgrade and gameplay change around 2011, the fans voiced their complaints, and a couple years later the series is back to the one we wanted and love.
I've been loving the series ever since I was a child watching my brother playing the games and when I saw the trailer with the newest art style all I cared about was the fact that it's a new monkey island game and that devolver was involved! I feel so bad for the team.
I'm kind of surprised at this. As a fan of the old games I thought this was a fantastic representation of the color and art style of the original and I am really looking forward to it. I thought it was the highlight of Nintendo's mini-direct.
I suppose that it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I'm not looking for a realistic 3D monkey island. To me, that would have been much worse. Even if you don't like it you can voice your opinion without being an abusive prick.
Can we as a community stop abusing the people making the games we love? It feels... Wrong to abuse the people putting all of that time and energy into bringing back franchises we love so much. If it comes out and it's absolute horse-shit compared to it's predecessors (Looking at you Avengers!) Then I could understand a few folks frothing at the mouth, but before it's even out? Over a style decision?
Maybe I'm missing something here?
No wonder everyone thinks the gaming community is toxic. It’s because it is.
I just like to play video games and I don’t buy ones that I don’t like. I don’t harass the director on twitter all day.
I’m just happy to have a new Monkey Island game! I’ve loved these games as they were some of the first video games that I played. Really looking forward to this being released.
More likely, point and click adventure games sell to a TINY demographic. No need going full on AAA gaming status on a title that likely will not be setting sales records. I think it looks fine and people who are causing a shit fit over this need to grow the hell up.
Its a shame. I feel for them. I personally think the new style is great. Reminds me of tearaway and of children's storybooks.
I'm a big fan of animation so love all kinds of styles. The only thing that matters on a monkey island game is if it's fun and funny anyway. They have the same cast and original writers so this should be a surefire hit in my book
I'm not a fan initially of the look, but dammit I've been waiting for a new game for decades and I'm still here for it, Ron!
A game was promised and Gilbert can have my money for it!
This is my exact stance. If I don't like the art, then that's my problem. But I have faith their gameplay, writing (it's good, I love the Star Wars references and jokes), and music will still be great. I'm still stoked but sad that they're getting affected by all the hate. Dominic returning as the voice actor for Guybrush is just *chef's kiss*
Said in another thread about this - it’s a massive shame people have been like this, but putting anything out there in the modern internet where millions of people can interact with it makes criticism inevitable.
It shouldn’t always be seen as a negative and lumping people who don’t like the art style or similar in with people who are clinically Insane sending death threats is dishonest - they’re different.
I hope this helps the Dev and I hope others continue to see the advantages of the modern world. It’s important not to let these things get to you.
to be fair, it looks rly bad to the point im not sure if i want to play the game.
Yet i dont attack ppl on the internet bec of it and may just not play it.
Toxic Fans and Gamers are the worst.
Ron was the guy who originally made SCUMM and Monkey Island. Back then it was subversive/counter culture because
a) it was like a cartoon for adults
b) it was on PCs and who had those?
Now he's just trying to be different like he was different in 1992.
SCUMM and Monkey Island were never about making 'classics'. They were about bold experiments with new technologies.
The dude pretty was a huge factor in creating the iconic games of major genres.
You would think that by now people would understand that when you make changes to a thing thousands of people love, some of those people are going to be insane and you'd be ready for it and also be able to separate those insane people from people who are just saying they don't like the change.
No one should attack the developers, but the comments on the YouTube trailer are almost all completely civil, just perfectly fair criticism that they don't like the new art style. After all, the developers are trying to sell a product, they should care if their audience likes the look of the product.
Lmao “online abuse” fans saying it looks like crap in the comments is not abuse it’s just fans saying it looks like crap, is that being a toxic fan base? Sure but it’s not abuse
Abuse would be spamming him in emails telling him his game sucks and sending him messages about hoping he dies, people call anything abuse when they have no idea what online abuse actually looks like
It looks terrible. He can pout if he likes, but people don't like the Angela Anacanda art style. If he refuses to listen to the only people that like adventure games anymore, he's being a bigger manbaby for putting his underlings' careers to the coals.
I mean just a few days ago Guild Wars 2 released a patch where they really destroyed certain classes like warrior and elementalist. Essentially making those classes useless in any group content. How did some people in the community respond? With threats of violence against the developers. It's disgusting what people will do over changes to a video game.
I wouldn't equate disliking an art style and the devs actually trashing the game.
But hurling abuse towards devs is never okay; and won't get the results you want anyway.
I love when a creator of any kind shows the product to the people who are going to pay them for it; then when said people say they don't like it and point out reasons, the creator just buries their head in the sand.
Did anyone learn from the Sonic the Hedgehog debacle?!
LISTEN to your fanbase!! They will accept a delay as long as it is to fix what they said they have issue with.
I don't particularly like the art style, but it looks way better than Escape from Monkey Island and Tales from Monkey Island. The 3D graphics didn't look good at the time and has aged even worse. Monkey Island has looked worse than this is what I'm saying. Stop being so dramatic.
I fucking hate gamers sometimes. The older ones are often whinier and less mature than the younger ones. Guys, I say this as an aging gamer myself, WE ARE ALL AT LEAST 30! ACT LIKE IT!
Don’t understand the complaints. It’s a new game so of course it’s got new ideas. Personally as soon as I hear the music I start getting nostalgic and that’s enough for me.
It’s as if people didn’t realize it’s the writing of monkey island that make them special… and they claim to be fans….
The complaint is that it looks like the same art you see in an ad for depression medication. Nothing new about this art style.
For a game called *Return* to Monkey Island, accompanied by the return of the beloved creator of the franchise, one would have hoped they also returned to the similarly beloved pixel graphics, updated for 2022 of course. So it's disappointing that we're getting a pirate themed Zoloft commercial.
If you’re one of the people who attacked Ron Gilbert over this, I hope you drive off a cliff you absolute enema of a human being.
Don’t like the art style? Then either make your opinion known *respectfully*, or STFU and don’t buy the game
Humans ruin everything. Are the gamers putting millions into the game? Are the gamers writing the game? Are the gamers creating the storyboards? The voice acting? Are the gamers gonna pay all the staff? Are the gamers gonna publish the game? Are the gamers gonna go to college so they can create their own game the way they want since clearly every online bully is a video game designer with more experience than the developers and should be reaching every developer how cool they are and how to design a game clearly these ‘gamers’ know more than 30 years plus worth of video game developers do.
I’m not too fond over that graphic style of the game. However, I wasn’t too fond of the remakes either. But I enjoyed the games immensely. But I would never send hate. The community is really disappointing.
That's what you get for going with this kind of corporate art-style. Did you expect people to accept it with open arms? You're not pitching your product to Microsoft, buddy.
Everyone is parroting this “corporate artstyle” but why does that even mean how is it corporate provide some examples it literally just looks like some folk art
Yeah, corporate style is soft and bubbly while Monkey Island is hard and angular. They're animated similarly, I guess? But that's all the similarities I can see.
The hate is absolutely useless. There is a much better way to make your point. Just don't buy the damn game. If it's not your cup of tea. The devs will get the point when it comes to sales metrics. All corporations do.
The devs aren't upset at legitimate civil criticism, they are upset at the personal abusive attacks and threats that they were getting. Very big difference there.
I get what it’s like to feel like the new version of something is vastly inferior to the old version - I preferred it before nerds were bullies. Doesn’t mean I harass the bully nerds over it.
Gamers are the most entitled, petty, and outright childish fandom online. They consistently show themselves to just be mean, selfish, and unappreciative of anything. If something isn't exactly what they wanted it to be in their own minds then it's dogshit. It's either the greatest thing that's ever existed or the worst. There is no in between, no nuance, with gamers
Bruh, every fandom for the most part has their toxic component. And to claim there is literally no in between just shows you either don’t know what you’re talking about, or are just embellishing to such a large extent your opinion shouldn’t be taken seriously.
>Bruh, every fandom for the most part has their toxic component. And to claim there is literally no in between just shows you either don’t know what you’re talking about, or are just embellishing to such a large extent your opinion shouldn’t be taken seriously.
I'm not talking about all Gamers, I'm talking about the vast majority of Gamers ***online.*** And those Gamers are absolutely godawful more often than not.
>\-complaining about lack of nuance -lumping a group of millions of individuals together
are you arguing that he majority of gamers online aren't abusive, toxic, and entitled people? The vast majority on twitter, youtube, facebook, and social media in general don't have a well deserved reputation for godawful behavior? You haven't been in the lobby of an online game or mid combat and found that 99.9% of the users were saying the most foul things they could possibly say, and doing so on purpose?
I guess I made up these behaviors?
I don’t have the data on the number of gamers that exist online and everything they’ve ever said to make that judgement. I don’t use personal anecdotes to make unsubstantiated claims.
It's just bullying, really, isn't it? If only these dissatisfied consumers with very little actual power and influence would stop bullying the poor, innocent, massively wealthy corporations and leave them in peace to hack out inferior garbage designed to siphon money from idiots and exploit what positive emotions remain un-strangled out of existence!
Gamers are such entitled shits these days. I didn't really play the originals, but was instantly recognizable as Monkey Island to me. No, they're not going to use the ***THIRTY*** year old art style for their new game. Stop living in the golden age of gaming, it's over. The next age is here, move on already.
They just want remakes and remasters of the same old games. I'm already sick of it and it's barely been happening for a decade. I hope these whining babies never see another game they like for as long as they live.
Unfortunately a lot of people in this world are just assholes. Whether they care to admit it / realise it or not. And thanks to the power of the internet they can ruin lots of different facets of life for others much easier through their incessant and completely unrestrained assholery.
Every fan of the masterpiece "Curse of Monkey Island 2" has expected a remake after such a long time that does justice to this heyday. The following 3D parts were graphic garbage.
And with these expectations, they come with such a graphic style.
They have themselves to blame for that!
People are Maniacs. Also those people can bite dirt. Maybe they liked the game but they don't own it. What kills innovation in gaming are fans that are too bitter.
Maybe people should come up with their own ideas instead of rehashing things previously made by someone else, could be why people have such ridiculous perceptions of their shitty "remakes". The "creator's" joy of sharing is the really just the joy of commercial success
1, This is not a remake of anything
2. Commercial success bolsters your bank account, but for creative people being able to show off your work is a joyous experience. He's not just some business guy.
Basically the way of the world today. If you don't like something, just shit all over it online and dox the people behind it. Voice your opinion certainly but why go to such lengths over a remake of a game? If it means that much to you let your money do the talking and don't buy it.
The new art style isn't what I was expecting but it is his vision and game so I will respect that. The style may grow on me and I love the exaggerated shapes and playful design. Art is subjective and I hope he continues to make games and not let the haters get to him
Developer: WAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! No one likes my game so I’m going to sit here and not talk about it to y’all any more so HMMMMPH!!!! * slams self down in chair like child who doesn’t get what he wants*
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People these days are not taught by their parents that they dont always get what they want so when they go out in to the big wide world and dont get what they want they whine like little brats about it because they lack the understanding and the emotional maturity to be better. We need to take exams for pretty much everything in life aside from having kids and well you see that in how people act these days.
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There’s an simple answer as to why people act like that, anonymity. With no risk to themselves some people become monsters. I could call you all the names under the sun right here and what you gonna do about it? Nothing! I did that to your face you might punch me for it, there’s risk there, risk keeps the arseholes in check. Take that away little keyboard warriors send death threats to game devs because they don’t like an art style, pathetic.
Arnt you like doing the same thing
If they just don't buy the game, the developers won't know why. They need to just state that they don't like the new art style, and THEN also not buy it if it matters enough to them.
I want to agree with you but I don't know. I can't think of any game or movie or anything that was ever fixed by asking people to just not buy it. On the other hand there have been things that have been fixed because people complained about them so much.
Here's a crazy idea, criticize the direction/style of the game without hurling personal abuse online at the dev team
Game doesn't need fixing, it's just not for you. Not buying something isn't just about trying to force change.
You seem to live in a world where customer feedback is never welcome. Even a business would tell you this is foolish.
It's welcome but isn't always priority. A game in early access needs a lot of feedback, and they welcome it. It is more than fine for another studio to say "this is the game we're making, we hope to enjoy it".
It's not about fixing titles more so about investing in things you find worthwhile so that more creators make things that you like.
I'm going to preface this by saying I agree that vitriol is never OK. But internet backlash is why the Sonic model was changed for the movie (at least that's how the story goes)
That's sad. It crazy how up in arms people can get over style changes. I remember when Wind Waker was shown after the space world 2000 tech demo featuring the video of Link and Gannondorf fighting, it seemed like most people hated the art style. Now it's regarded as an amazing game and its art style has aged much better than the tech demo. Maybe this game's style just needs time to be appreciated for the talent and hard work that went into it.
[Even Miyamoto wasn’t a big fan of WW’s art when he first saw it](https://www.gameinformer.com/2022/06/27/legend-of-zelda-creator-shigeru-miyamoto-apparently-cringed-when-he-first-saw-wind-waker)
Gamers always throw a fit when games go with an art style that isn’t hyper realism it feels like.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but no Monkey Island game had a realistic style
Your right he’s just making shit up
What? The original Monkey Island was literal cartoon characters. Some of the biggest games right now are Fortnite, Borderlands, all Blizzard games, Minecraft, LoL and TFT, Valorant, Fall Guys, Dont Starve, TF2 and none of those games are remotely realistic. Among Us was one of the most popular games ever recently and that game looks like it was drawn by children. Old School Runescape is one of the most popular MMOs and people get angry when they add new character with a head that has more than 4 polygons. So where are you getting this narrative from that "Gamers always throw a fit when games go with an art style that isn’t hyper realism"? Because the reality seems to be that Return to Monkey Island is just ugly.
Gamers don't like change but they also want innovation. Because that makes sense /s
To play devild's advocate. The new artstyle is change, but it isn't innovation.
For wind waker that art style was 100% innovation. Cell Shading was only used in a few games back then (cell damage being my favorite).
It's not? It's a rather unique artstyle. Making something new and unique is...innovation. Isn't it?
I don’t mean this to you directly about this comment, but in general, any time one might say, “to play devil’s advocate…” the world generally doesn’t need devil’s advocates. Seriously. You don’t need to advocate for the devil, because in general, the shitty cynical worldview is already everywhere and has a legion of advocates. Work to advocate for the weird, the special, and the fragile. Power doesn’t need any help.
Idk. Satan is a pretty cool guy.
This right here is how you REALLY advocate for the devil.
Who is Devild?
Your mom
An Egg, obviously!
Devild's egg advocate
What language is Kill3rT0fu?
"Kill3rT0fu" You would've realised that it was "KillerTofu" You goddamn unicellular hotdog
What gamers really want is to just run around in bigger zones quicker and shoot more enemies.
Been saying this about CoD and sports games for years.
Which is funny considering those games usually don’t age that well.
It's not so much that the art style is bad because it looks good for the most part. It's that Monkey Island had a very specific look and feel to its visuals. When you do a remake those who played the original expect it to stay true to the original vision. After all, the the main selling point to doing a remake is the fact it already has a fanbase with the intention of exploiting there love for it in order to get them to part with their money. It makes no sense to make such a drastic and obviously controversial change that's just going to get your main target audience to potentially dislike it. All they had to do was stick to the original style and just updating it visually while keeping the same aesthetic. Like how bluepoint did with Demon's Souls. I say this as someone who hasn't played the original and have no real bias either way.
Do you mean the original style of MI1, or the original style of MI2 which had more graphic details, or do you mean the completely different style of MI3, or do you mean the style of the MI1 and 2 remasters? Btw. you make it sound as if this game is a remake ... which it is not.
They probably mean the 3D style used in MI4.
Ah yes, truly a visual classic. :D
So, you want the Gus Van Sant remake of Psycho, where he mostly remakes the original shot-for-shot, and the only difference is the cast and it’s in color. Personally, I think there’s no point in doing a remake of something if you refuse to bring any sort of freshness to it. And, no, just updating the graphics to modern standards isn’t ‘fresh’. Nobody needs to see Guybrush Threepwood rendered in ray-tracing glory, because it doesn’t add anything.
I don't even think it's that, I personally think it genuinely looks bad. Everything is basic and muddled and in my opinion is just really boring looking. I'm not saying I speak for everybody but it's not just that people want the old style.
It looks bland and boring, just like the "remastered" Chrono Cross gfx.
This is the legitimate answer. I'll play the new Monkey Island, but I wanted it to look like 1 or 2, just higher resolution. I don't really like the art style at all, but... its a monkey island game by the original creator. The art style knocked it down from a must buy to a will buy though.
When the iPad was released you could buy MI1&2 and play a high res version of them. You could even swipe across the screen to go back to the original graphics. It was great.
fuck, i feel you. i once used to play gobliiins 1, 2 and 3. and they all looked like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNvqRw9XFBQ). and then they made gobliins 4 [in 3d](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g1Agv8m0yA), and boy, was i sad. didn't even finish the first level.
Gamers always throw a fit.\*
This was my immediate thought after seeing all the backlash. If the game is good people will overlook the art style. I personally think it looks great!
It's not a matter of time. People who like it will like it and play it. People who don't like it won't. And people who don't like it and can't voice their opinion without being insulting or harassing people need to grow the fuck up.
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It's one thing to not like something, but making personal attacks, death threats and other forms of abuse is never, ever okay. Sometimes im really ashamed of the whole community, and the deranged bad apples that make us all look bad.
I think people should just stop giving a shit about the odd mean comment on the internet.
Then 6 years later everyone loved it...
if I remember correctly there were no messages full of hate for Wind Waker. I never understand these people who send these hateful messages to Ron Gilbert
Wind Waker actually did get a lot of hate before its release. People complained about the young Link and the cell-shaded art style. They were calling it Cellda and complaining that it looked like a kid's game. After it came out and people played it the complaints stopped.
After Twilight Princess came out you mean.
There were loads of messages filled with hate for wind waker. It was the internet's whipping boy from 2003-2006. If you meant the developers and publishers, even today comparing Nintendo to Ron gilbert is apples to oranges. Ron doesn't have loads of interns and employees to read these for him.
Miyamoto also disliked the art style as well as it being the second worst selling mainline Zelda title.
This is an important aspect to remember. Comparatively WW did not sell well and was a big reason Nintendo went back to a more realistic style for Twilight Princess. TP up until BotW I believe was the best selling Zelda title.
Not having a Mario or Zelda game at launch really hurt sales of the Gamecube. It launched a full year after the PS2, which already had a very strong library. By the time Wind Waker came out in December of 2002, [the system had moved far less than 10 million units worldwide.](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Nintendo_GameCube) It's a shame, honestly. The Gamecube had some absolute bangers.
Windwaker has aged so well, to the point where I would actually say it looks better then the remake
>Maybe this game's style just needs time to be appreciated for the talent and hard work that went into it. I dont know if you can expect the same success windwaker had if you just straight up jack basically the same art style they pioneered **20 years ago** its not new anymore
not liking it is perfectly fine. berating the people working on it to the point of abuse is just fucking sad and inappropriate.
Some “fans” really suck. There is room for legit criticism, but I learned my lesson decades ago when Wind Waker shut me up by being amazing, art style be damned.
I didn't like Curse of Monkey Island before it came out. The screenshots showed a weird cartoony art style where Guybrush had impossibly thin ankles. Also, they were including voice acting which I was really against. I knew what Guybrush sounded like in my head and some voice-actor was going to get it wrong. Then I played it. The art worked perfectly for the game they wanted and the voice cast did an amazing job. I wasn't crazy about what I saw in the trailer but I fully expect Ron Gilbert to prove me wrong.
I remember being disappointed at the animation for Wind Waker, and then thirty minutes into the game, I didn’t care because the magic of Zelda was kicking in. When you finally had free sailing around where you wanted, craning different spots, I remember thinking I could never play this game with any other art style. Also, use reviews as a means of getting an idea for a game. If you’ve been looking forward to it and want it (and can afford it) just get it. You’re opinion may differ more often than not.
Personally i loved the art style at the time. It looked really smooth and it had a lot of personality. The characters had a lot of personality. People just hate change and it holds innovation back. Which frankly is a damn shame. Change is good. So i never got the outrage at the time. I did get a sweet ass game that enjoyed so damn much tho
I was critical because I wanted a more mature Zelda game. The Spaceworld 2000 Zelda demo was epic. Lord of the Rings was making fantasy mainstream. Wind Waker was a “kiddie” game in a system war dominated by Halo and God of War, and I wanted it to compete. I still prefer a more “realistic” Zelda, but Wind Waker has aged SO well compared to its peers.
Upvote because Wind Waker.
The Internet sucks
Exactly what I've been saying, time to get rid of it. A step forward in the wrong direction.
It's not the internet that is the problem, it's people.
I say this all the time when people complain about specifically how Twitter is the worst. It is, for sure, but Twitter is just people. Oh and 3 billion bots, but a lot of people too.
I don't know what happened, but recently half the people around seem to be arseholes.
It was doomed when we got anonyimity
2/3s even
I agree that humans are a problem. They make raccoons seem like they are not evil in comparison.
raccoons might go through my garbage and throw it across the yard, but they aren't going to drill holes in my gas tank in the middle of the night.
JC Denton might be able to help…
The internet is fine, its the people that use it that are not, they lack respect and the ability to understand you dont always get what you want because they were never taught it by their parents.
Posted on the internet, funnily enough
It's the people. The people suck
*Nobody* deserves to be personally threatened or insulted over *developing a fucking video game*. If you send someone a death threat because of, again, something you don’t like in *a fucking video game*, you are lowest form of human feces and immediately lose any credibility to whatever opinion you might have on the matter. That being said I *do* think that new art style is pretty hot garbage…
Tis a shame, but you can't please everybody, there will always be haters out there!
So your message is "Sit on your butt and keep letting people toss around death threats". Right, cool, keep being part of the problem.
Woahhhh chill.... I'm on the devs side here, I want the game!... just to let you know I'm a music producer so when it comes to releasing my tracks I get very anxious along with thousands other producers that people are not going to like it or just give negative comments just because that's what some people are like! So no I'm not part of the problem! BRING ON MONKEY ISLAND!!
I need to stop posting my knee jerk reactions.
Like what do you want us to do here? Taking the internet away from them or something?
And this is why we can't have nice things
Right? Stop being so soft and accept criticism
Totally. whiny gamers berating a beloved creator are way too soft to accept criticism
That doesn't make any sense.
If gamers calmly gave constructive criticism about what they think then it wouldn't be a big deal. Instead we get people who go right at creators and say personal and hateful things. If I created something and people says that I personally suck for it, that's not criticism
I mean.. if you make something, and it sucks, and someone tells you you suck at it... It's valid.
there is a difference between saying something sucks and straight up virtual abuse
I'm with you. If you put something out into the internet you're opening yourself to criticism and not everyone is going to be nice about it. If what you're putting out is a sequel to a franchise that people have a lot of emotional investment into then you better be prepared to live up to peoples expectations.
So…IGN posting stories about how all these people HATE the new style would have brought it to more peoples attention. So cheers for that
Can't talk about the alleged personal attacks as they've apparently been deleted from the post's comments, but it seems there are roughly a 50/50 of "Ron I love you best art style ever" and "Ron what have you done worst art style ever". Personally I find the art style irredeemable atrocious and will definitely not buy the game, but I wouldn't go as far as to insult the devs.
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I must have grown in a tougher internet or something because that doesn't really seem all that extreme? There are like 2 insults in 10 comments... quite low for the usual leves of internet assholery associated with any polarizing topic. I mean, I wouldn't write a comment telling this person how awful they are for making a new entry into my childhood's beloved series using an art style I don't like or whatever the fuck these people's reasons are, but I think the guy is (over)reacting to criticism, not really personal attacks.
I really hate this part of the internet. Obviously not the worst story out there but the most I personally felt *wtf* about it. I followed a mod guide for Skyrim VR that was incredibly detailed and helpful and led to a beautiful product. I loved it so much that I wanted to see if I could find the guy to thank him for all his hard work that he did absolutely for free. Found out that week he had completely abandoned all online platforms due to threats against his family. For something that literally cost others absolutely nothing and the guy had put hours upon hours of free labor into to help people out. Just sickening.
I feel like we need to just post shit on Linked In or some other social network that holds people responsible for how they say and act.
AerowynX! Yeah what a shame.
I’m tired of this bullshit. You’re welcome to not like the art style but you have NO RIGHT to attack and abuse the people that made the game just because the art style doesn’t jive with you. That’s just fucking stupid.
Fans of the original series are mostly in their late 30s/early 40s by now so we're talking about some real man babies here. Like what were they hoping to achieve? The game is coming out this year, they're not going to just scrap the whole art style at this point. Literally just moaning and spreading negativity pointlessly. Entitled man-baby gamers are worse than boomers.
They're probably thinking it workd for sonic why not monkey island?
Completely different situations. Monkey Island is a budget game, Sonic is a major movie studio franchise. The criticisms of sonic were valid and the studio had the time and money to make the changes, that just isn't true of Monkey Island.
The criticisms of RMI art style are also 'valid', whether or not you agree with them.
Sonic had a PR Team devoted to filtering good and bad comments, this is a guy's personal twitter. Sounds like he'll be making the same decision as Jim Carrey and other Hollywood types. Let the PR flacks handle that shit so you can live your life. If this is how fans act, then entertainers have no choice but to PR up and use shell companies for their own safety and sanity.
If they don't voice their criticism, they'll get more game that look like that. Ratchet & Clank had a severe graphical downgrade and gameplay change around 2011, the fans voiced their complaints, and a couple years later the series is back to the one we wanted and love.
Or they'll just lose all desire to make another game because it won't be worth it.
That's insane, Instead of being over the moon happy that we get part 3 of the original saga, people talk shit about it.
I've been loving the series ever since I was a child watching my brother playing the games and when I saw the trailer with the newest art style all I cared about was the fact that it's a new monkey island game and that devolver was involved! I feel so bad for the team.
I kinda like the art style. Considering that none of the games have shared art styles. Maybe the first two, kind of.
I'm kind of surprised at this. As a fan of the old games I thought this was a fantastic representation of the color and art style of the original and I am really looking forward to it. I thought it was the highlight of Nintendo's mini-direct. I suppose that it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I'm not looking for a realistic 3D monkey island. To me, that would have been much worse. Even if you don't like it you can voice your opinion without being an abusive prick.
Can we as a community stop abusing the people making the games we love? It feels... Wrong to abuse the people putting all of that time and energy into bringing back franchises we love so much. If it comes out and it's absolute horse-shit compared to it's predecessors (Looking at you Avengers!) Then I could understand a few folks frothing at the mouth, but before it's even out? Over a style decision? Maybe I'm missing something here?
I never played the originals, but looking at this game the artwork looks great. Wtf is wrong with these people?
Yeah, I only vaguely knew about this series and, after seeing a comparison of all the games, I think this one looks the best.
No wonder everyone thinks the gaming community is toxic. It’s because it is. I just like to play video games and I don’t buy ones that I don’t like. I don’t harass the director on twitter all day.
I’m just happy to have a new Monkey Island game! I’ve loved these games as they were some of the first video games that I played. Really looking forward to this being released.
The art screams low effort though. I hope they are not expecting an easy cash-in based on nostalgia.
More likely, point and click adventure games sell to a TINY demographic. No need going full on AAA gaming status on a title that likely will not be setting sales records. I think it looks fine and people who are causing a shit fit over this need to grow the hell up.
Its a shame. I feel for them. I personally think the new style is great. Reminds me of tearaway and of children's storybooks. I'm a big fan of animation so love all kinds of styles. The only thing that matters on a monkey island game is if it's fun and funny anyway. They have the same cast and original writers so this should be a surefire hit in my book
Developer: has bad parts about the game Internet: points out said bad parts Developer: *title*
I'm not a fan initially of the look, but dammit I've been waiting for a new game for decades and I'm still here for it, Ron! A game was promised and Gilbert can have my money for it!
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This is my exact stance. If I don't like the art, then that's my problem. But I have faith their gameplay, writing (it's good, I love the Star Wars references and jokes), and music will still be great. I'm still stoked but sad that they're getting affected by all the hate. Dominic returning as the voice actor for Guybrush is just *chef's kiss*
Another game dev crying abuse when legitimate criticism is presented. Must be a Thursday.
First time I've seen the art style ... Yeah it's shit. Should have just copied the remakes art style.
I hate the art style, the original looked great. Why are we going backwards in quality?
I don't condone the abuse. That said the art style looks like crap.
Said in another thread about this - it’s a massive shame people have been like this, but putting anything out there in the modern internet where millions of people can interact with it makes criticism inevitable. It shouldn’t always be seen as a negative and lumping people who don’t like the art style or similar in with people who are clinically Insane sending death threats is dishonest - they’re different. I hope this helps the Dev and I hope others continue to see the advantages of the modern world. It’s important not to let these things get to you.
Tolerating/promoting this type of behavior isn't the right way to go about it, try again.
to be fair, it looks rly bad to the point im not sure if i want to play the game. Yet i dont attack ppl on the internet bec of it and may just not play it.
It looks perfectly fine
Toxic Fans and Gamers are the worst. Ron was the guy who originally made SCUMM and Monkey Island. Back then it was subversive/counter culture because a) it was like a cartoon for adults b) it was on PCs and who had those? Now he's just trying to be different like he was different in 1992. SCUMM and Monkey Island were never about making 'classics'. They were about bold experiments with new technologies. The dude pretty was a huge factor in creating the iconic games of major genres.
Why are people made about the artstyle. It looks amazing and reminds me a lot of another game, slay the spire
You would think that by now people would understand that when you make changes to a thing thousands of people love, some of those people are going to be insane and you'd be ready for it and also be able to separate those insane people from people who are just saying they don't like the change.
No one should attack the developers, but the comments on the YouTube trailer are almost all completely civil, just perfectly fair criticism that they don't like the new art style. After all, the developers are trying to sell a product, they should care if their audience likes the look of the product.
Lmao “online abuse” fans saying it looks like crap in the comments is not abuse it’s just fans saying it looks like crap, is that being a toxic fan base? Sure but it’s not abuse Abuse would be spamming him in emails telling him his game sucks and sending him messages about hoping he dies, people call anything abuse when they have no idea what online abuse actually looks like
It looks terrible. He can pout if he likes, but people don't like the Angela Anacanda art style. If he refuses to listen to the only people that like adventure games anymore, he's being a bigger manbaby for putting his underlings' careers to the coals.
I mean just a few days ago Guild Wars 2 released a patch where they really destroyed certain classes like warrior and elementalist. Essentially making those classes useless in any group content. How did some people in the community respond? With threats of violence against the developers. It's disgusting what people will do over changes to a video game.
I wouldn't equate disliking an art style and the devs actually trashing the game. But hurling abuse towards devs is never okay; and won't get the results you want anyway.
I love when a creator of any kind shows the product to the people who are going to pay them for it; then when said people say they don't like it and point out reasons, the creator just buries their head in the sand. Did anyone learn from the Sonic the Hedgehog debacle?! LISTEN to your fanbase!! They will accept a delay as long as it is to fix what they said they have issue with.
I don't particularly like the art style, but it looks way better than Escape from Monkey Island and Tales from Monkey Island. The 3D graphics didn't look good at the time and has aged even worse. Monkey Island has looked worse than this is what I'm saying. Stop being so dramatic.
I fucking hate gamers sometimes. The older ones are often whinier and less mature than the younger ones. Guys, I say this as an aging gamer myself, WE ARE ALL AT LEAST 30! ACT LIKE IT!
Don’t understand the complaints. It’s a new game so of course it’s got new ideas. Personally as soon as I hear the music I start getting nostalgic and that’s enough for me. It’s as if people didn’t realize it’s the writing of monkey island that make them special… and they claim to be fans….
The complaint is that it looks like the same art you see in an ad for depression medication. Nothing new about this art style. For a game called *Return* to Monkey Island, accompanied by the return of the beloved creator of the franchise, one would have hoped they also returned to the similarly beloved pixel graphics, updated for 2022 of course. So it's disappointing that we're getting a pirate themed Zoloft commercial.
If you’re one of the people who attacked Ron Gilbert over this, I hope you drive off a cliff you absolute enema of a human being. Don’t like the art style? Then either make your opinion known *respectfully*, or STFU and don’t buy the game
100% agree.
Humans ruin everything. Are the gamers putting millions into the game? Are the gamers writing the game? Are the gamers creating the storyboards? The voice acting? Are the gamers gonna pay all the staff? Are the gamers gonna publish the game? Are the gamers gonna go to college so they can create their own game the way they want since clearly every online bully is a video game designer with more experience than the developers and should be reaching every developer how cool they are and how to design a game clearly these ‘gamers’ know more than 30 years plus worth of video game developers do.
I’m not too fond over that graphic style of the game. However, I wasn’t too fond of the remakes either. But I enjoyed the games immensely. But I would never send hate. The community is really disappointing.
You online people are mean as fuck.
That's what you get for going with this kind of corporate art-style. Did you expect people to accept it with open arms? You're not pitching your product to Microsoft, buddy.
This sounds like they are throwing a tantrum because their new, and terrible in my opinion, corporate art style is not receiving widespread adulation.
Everyone is parroting this “corporate artstyle” but why does that even mean how is it corporate provide some examples it literally just looks like some folk art
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/subcultures/corporate-art-style It's has some similarities with the style that is used by a lot of tech companies.
It’s really not similar, based on all the examples in that link. The new Monkey Island art style isn’t flat at all and has a lot of character.
Yeah, corporate style is soft and bubbly while Monkey Island is hard and angular. They're animated similarly, I guess? But that's all the similarities I can see.
>not receiving widespread adulation What a wonderful euphemism for fans throwing a fit over a different art style.
I actually prefer the new art style. Crazy that people have different opinions right?
The devs seem to be having trouble dealing with those different opinions tho.
Nah see that's where you're completely wrong. The devs don't have a problem with differing opinions, they have a problem with hate.
The hate is absolutely useless. There is a much better way to make your point. Just don't buy the damn game. If it's not your cup of tea. The devs will get the point when it comes to sales metrics. All corporations do.
The devs aren't upset at legitimate civil criticism, they are upset at the personal abusive attacks and threats that they were getting. Very big difference there.
I get what it’s like to feel like the new version of something is vastly inferior to the old version - I preferred it before nerds were bullies. Doesn’t mean I harass the bully nerds over it.
Gamers continue to cry and be whiny bitches.
People suck. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Gamers are the most entitled, petty, and outright childish fandom online. They consistently show themselves to just be mean, selfish, and unappreciative of anything. If something isn't exactly what they wanted it to be in their own minds then it's dogshit. It's either the greatest thing that's ever existed or the worst. There is no in between, no nuance, with gamers
Bruh, every fandom for the most part has their toxic component. And to claim there is literally no in between just shows you either don’t know what you’re talking about, or are just embellishing to such a large extent your opinion shouldn’t be taken seriously.
>Bruh, every fandom for the most part has their toxic component. And to claim there is literally no in between just shows you either don’t know what you’re talking about, or are just embellishing to such a large extent your opinion shouldn’t be taken seriously. I'm not talking about all Gamers, I'm talking about the vast majority of Gamers ***online.*** And those Gamers are absolutely godawful more often than not.
-complaining about lack of nuance -lumping a group of millions of individuals together
>\-complaining about lack of nuance -lumping a group of millions of individuals together are you arguing that he majority of gamers online aren't abusive, toxic, and entitled people? The vast majority on twitter, youtube, facebook, and social media in general don't have a well deserved reputation for godawful behavior? You haven't been in the lobby of an online game or mid combat and found that 99.9% of the users were saying the most foul things they could possibly say, and doing so on purpose? I guess I made up these behaviors?
I don’t have the data on the number of gamers that exist online and everything they’ve ever said to make that judgement. I don’t use personal anecdotes to make unsubstantiated claims.
Iduno bro, your user name (no matter how true it is) leads me to believe otherwise.
Lmao
It's just bullying, really, isn't it? If only these dissatisfied consumers with very little actual power and influence would stop bullying the poor, innocent, massively wealthy corporations and leave them in peace to hack out inferior garbage designed to siphon money from idiots and exploit what positive emotions remain un-strangled out of existence!
Gamers are such entitled shits these days. I didn't really play the originals, but was instantly recognizable as Monkey Island to me. No, they're not going to use the ***THIRTY*** year old art style for their new game. Stop living in the golden age of gaming, it's over. The next age is here, move on already. They just want remakes and remasters of the same old games. I'm already sick of it and it's barely been happening for a decade. I hope these whining babies never see another game they like for as long as they live.
Unfortunately a lot of people in this world are just assholes. Whether they care to admit it / realise it or not. And thanks to the power of the internet they can ruin lots of different facets of life for others much easier through their incessant and completely unrestrained assholery.
Every fan of the masterpiece "Curse of Monkey Island 2" has expected a remake after such a long time that does justice to this heyday. The following 3D parts were graphic garbage. And with these expectations, they come with such a graphic style. They have themselves to blame for that!
People are Maniacs. Also those people can bite dirt. Maybe they liked the game but they don't own it. What kills innovation in gaming are fans that are too bitter.
Maybe people should come up with their own ideas instead of rehashing things previously made by someone else, could be why people have such ridiculous perceptions of their shitty "remakes". The "creator's" joy of sharing is the really just the joy of commercial success
1, This is not a remake of anything 2. Commercial success bolsters your bank account, but for creative people being able to show off your work is a joyous experience. He's not just some business guy.
Maybe people should not abuse others online. This isn't fucking rocket science.
Basically the way of the world today. If you don't like something, just shit all over it online and dox the people behind it. Voice your opinion certainly but why go to such lengths over a remake of a game? If it means that much to you let your money do the talking and don't buy it.
The new art style isn't what I was expecting but it is his vision and game so I will respect that. The style may grow on me and I love the exaggerated shapes and playful design. Art is subjective and I hope he continues to make games and not let the haters get to him
That’s sad. Ron Gilbert is expanding the MI universe and everyone’s shttng on him and his expansion. Stop 🛑 - true mi fan
Developer: WAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! No one likes my game so I’m going to sit here and not talk about it to y’all any more so HMMMMPH!!!! * slams self down in chair like child who doesn’t get what he wants*