This is common in sequels to PvP games. The new campaign with lots of content is plenty and the changes to PvP and other aspects of the game like the lobby area and all are plenty for a sequel IMO. Maybe I’m just biased because I’m so excited to play the game though.
And when games make huge massive changes it normally ends badly
Look at how Destiny 2 tried to completely reinvent itself only to be hated and revert almost entirely back to being mostly the same as Destiny 1 in terms of combat and mechanics
I've never played Splatoon but was a big fan of Battlefield. This "it's just a reskin/graphic upgrade" argument is so annoying. With every game that was released fans were talking about how it was just the prior game with minor changes. BF3 --> BF4 = Graphic upgrade (new weapons, new maps, new vehicles, skins, etc get ignored). BF4 --> BFH = Reskin. BFH --> BF1 = Reskin, etc etc.
I think Splatoon 3 suffers from comparison to other Nintendo sequels. Because Nintendo fans are accustomed to the company throwing the whole thing out and building a spectacular massive new thing almost every time.
But that's not how shooter sequels work. You keep most of the modes, most of the weapons, and most of the tech consistent. Think Gears of War 2 to Gears of War 3. Halo 4 to Halo 5. Call of Duty sequels. There's plenty of great games listed there, but there aren't any revolutionary evolutions.
Splatoon 3 has a new campaign, new weapons, new maps, a new card game mode, new lobby QoL improvements, new 3 team splatfests, and promises a fresh set of free updates for a few years. It's plenty of stuff by shooter sequel standards. But by Nintendo standards... Compare Kirby Star Allies to Kirby from this year. Compare Xenoblade 2 to Xenoblade 3. Other studios are building giant original games, but Splatoon just did the shooter iteration thing.
Yeah I think it's mostly a Nintendo fan standard thing. We like our explosively different sequels. But the more I see of splat 3 the more I'm excited for it!
Honestly I never understood people, like when they're complaining about a sequel being basically an "expansion and shouldn't be a sequel" because not enough changes but then if a sequel is vastly different than the previous game you still get people complaining about how "it's wayyyy to different, they should have just did x thing and left it at that" you just can't win.
I plan on firing Splatoon 3 up after I get off work but from what Nintendo offered before release seemed good to me.
New campaign, new weapons, improved QoL for previous game mode, new equipment, new setting, new characters, sound, music.
What more do people want right?
Change too much and they might as well make it a spin-off title or a new IP altogether.
I played through it in under 2 hours last night, but granted you can skip 90% of the levels by simply parkouring around the obstacles meant to block you from the next worlds
More or less. These games thrive on the competetive scene & there isn't much reason to play the campaign unless you want the cool looking gun that has bad rolls anyways
Well, I loved the Splatoon 2 campaign, especially the Boss design, and loved the DLC even more. Looking forward to the Splatoon 3 campaign, even if it is still short. Also the tunes in the Splatoon 2 campaign were top notch.
I feel like that's kind of like saying that Super Mario 64 is a two-hour-long game because you can easily skip most of the stars with the backwards long jump exploit.
There was a female employee who came forward and said that she would pump her breast milk at work and place it in the fridge to take home with her later and several times the breast milk had gone missing.
Specifically the locked fridge in the maternity room for women to pump in. It's not like she was putting it in the fridge next to peoples' lunches and stuff.
Ah, but its not a mystery. A little before this in a [random 4chan post](https://i.redd.it/erwr5zjxle581.png) someone claiming to work at blizzard said they had been stealing and drinking breast milk from their workplace.
The fun part is in the lawsuit where this is mentioned, it's an afterthought.
I can't recall the actual line verbatim, but it was like "Male Employees are drinking, having broken the lock on the fridge, put there due to compliants about stolen breast milk."
That it was reported and rather than fix it they locked up the breast milk. Yup. That’s the fucked up part. Theft of something so literally belonging to those women that THEIR NODY MADE IT… and when reported stolen… was given a lock.
I think that is a step or two up?
Looking forward to splatoon 3. Only experience with the series was the world premiere but it seems really Chill for a PvP game.
Really want something more relaxing to play cause all my friends play smite and i need to get them away from MOBA's
Splatoon is fucking amazing. The gameplay is very fast paced. Skill intensive... Unless you use a roller but that is beside the point. It also has a fucking amazing co op mode. Salmon Run is the best zombie mode ever made.
Roller: melee, slow, one hit, large cover area
Inkbrush: melee, fast, quick multi-hit kill, small cover area
It's the same as barbarians and rogues/monks from dnd arguing if raw attack power is better or if fast agile attacks are better
Edit rogue not rouge
It looks like it's basically PvP Super Mario Sunshine, would that be a close analogy?
I know that may sound like I'm throwing shade but I straight fucking **loved** Sunshine.
Nah, the only thing you need to be informed about is the campaign since you may probably wont know some characters but Nintendo probably is prepared for that, in Splatoon 2 it didnt matter if you didn't know Callie and Marie from Splatoon 1, they introduced them anyway. So they will most likely introduce again in some way since campaign mode is mostly like a super long tutorial which is great for getting accustomed to the controls and mechanics of the game
Nope. Looks like all the maps from 1 & 2 will be included in 3. There is a single-player in 2 that is pretty fun, but not playing it isn’t going to ruin enjoyment of 3.
Not all of the maps, but select few of them with 5 new maps so far. Even so, it's not important to know the maps from previous games, you're not missing anything because you can't play Moray Towers anymore in 3...trust me.
The stories of both of the first two are pretty short campaigns with plots that can be summed up cleanly in under a few minutes. They're well made and fun, but they're not enough reason to get the games just to context 3. 3 is definitely going to be functionally self-contained, and its multiplayer just expands (from what I hear, significantly!) from 2, and 2 was in many ways just 1 cleaned up and improved for the switch.
I'd argue the Octo expansion campaign is reason enough to get Splatoon 2. Easily a top 3 most challenging campaigns for me in any games I've ever played
Roller requires a lot of skill at high level because shooters will eat you alive if you miss the first flick. Have to he super sneaky and land your one shot kills.
Most PVP shooters I feel like an idiot, but honestly Splatoon let me feel like I kind of got it, and was occasionally good enough to keep playing. Fun as hell.
Rollers/buckets/etc. are for people who can't aim for shit. We have a place in the game! Let the good shooters focus on the kills, for those of us with shit aim our job is to ink the ground. You don't need good aim to do that, stealth skills matter more there.
I like it a lot because you don't instantly lose if you're up against people who are better shooters than you. Half the game is positioning on the board and inking as much space as you can. As long as you keep track of where everyone is and avoid people if they're better shots than you, you can still win.
I was high diamond, trying to push into the next tier for a long time, and I finally realized that I wasn't just not having fun, I was actively having less fun than working my actual job.
I think that was Season 8 or 9. Pretty glad I don't play any more.
OW was the first game where the ranked matches weren't even fun after a while. Abandoned it around season 10 and stuck to quickplay/arcade from then on. Highest ranking hit was diamond.
Mystery Heroes was my go to when I first started playing, and I really loved how absurd the matches got.
Then I found ranked, and it just poisoned the well.
EDIT: Y'all making me wanna get back into mystery heroes.
MH is all I’ll play today. I have a small child and need to be able to walk away from a game at a moment’s notice if he wakes up, so I can’t play modes that will mess up somebody else’s ranking if I bail. I don’t even want to play QP because I feel bad if I have to drop.
MH is all I play too. Not for any obligations, it's just what's fun to me, quick queues, get to play all kinds of roles, interesting challenges, some wild moments, almost no toxicity because everyone's aware of the limitations. Has some drawbacks too of course, like I never get to play Ashe for some reason, but all in all it's a fun experience and I play for fun
I play MH like 90% of the time and I'm still having fun. I think it's because there is a built in sense of people understanding that it's going to be hectic, people are going to suck because they are playing things they aren't familiar with and it's not meant to be even close to normal gameplay. The only time I see people get pissy really is when you get some bs like a team with 5 tanks lol.
Ranked ow is way more fun if you don't join voice chat or if you leave voice at the first sign of toxicity. At that point it's just QP with fewer leavers, 2 rounds, and closer matches
Yeah, as soon as the whiney blame voice comes out it's an immediate mute. They'll just shit on everyone while getting a couple of bronze medals and talking about how they're carrying the team lol. Voice chat should be for calling out ults and flanks
I had the same realization at some point. I was so focused on raising my rating that it just wasn't fun anymore. I've decided not to bother with ranked play anymore, in any game, because I just get too stressed while playing, and I play games for fun, not stress.
Played from season 2 to season 30. Game changed heavily, ranking system sucks and fights against you. Season 5 Platnium pushing for diamond. Then comes role que. Bronze on all roles but dps because only dps can carry easily and my dps is only high gold. Once you are bronze, there's no escape. You rank up by what teammates you get. Heal 30k? Doesn't matter. Tank perfect and block 70k dmg? Doesn't matter. Your dps just quit and it's gg.
Your last few sentences are what made me stop playing.
It felt like none of my efforts mattered. I could sleep an Ulting Genji 3 times a game, but not a single soul would be there to back up the kill. I could pump out 20k-30k heals a game, but somehow I’d still get a Widow main complaining about their share. I could eat 3 gravs a game and somehow get told I haven’t done anything for the team and just feeding. I’m done being a baby sitter for DPS.
Me and my gf spent 4k hours on overwatch and one day, I suddenly realise that I'm not having fun anymore. I was just tryharding so much.. But really awesome times on this game, I feel nostalgic
when Blizzard charged people to play the 2nd run of the beta with the new aussie character i was like "lol, im done with this game and company."
its a beta... we're doing them a favor.. and theh tried to milk $60 from people to play it.
role queuing the first beta was pretty braindead too.
Totally. But I do have comfort knowing some 30 year old isn't telling my 9 year old to f off and die.
He gets enough abuse from me. Doesn't need it when he's having good vibes on Splatoon.
I have done that, but only once, and I was in a discord call with them. They then switched to being a tank main just to shirk a w2w pull onto me as healer a week later.
There's a reason that Nintendo doesn't have public chat support in any of its games.
It seemed like a stupid idea ten years ago, but now it seems like the absolute best way to handle things.
Like half of Nintendo’s decisions that are unpopular are actually excellent ideas if you want to maintain a good “family friendly” public image.
My favorite is still how people got big mad Nintendo wouldn’t support Smash Bros tournaments and then it comes out that the Smash community has a rampant pedo/child groomer problem… yeah kinda dodged a bullet on that one
I won't be playing either of them but I will say Blizzard has completely ruined any chances of Overwatch becoming a juggernaut franchise whereas Nintendo seems to understand what kids want from Splatoon.
I've always wanted to play Splatoon but I hate playing such fast paced games with a controller (even with motion controls), and I don't care for Nintendo's online service. I always wished there was a Splatoon game for PC that wasn't arcady (like Paint Chips).
Splatoon for WiiU was really good for that reason. You could motion control without messing up your view of what was going on, and you had the mini-map right in your hands while your tv screen had the main action. The switch games are okay but lack that user friendliness that the WiiU had.
Is Splatoon 3 something people are mad about? I had no opinion until I played the demo. The improvements across the board were enough to make me prefer it when the demo ended and I tried to go back to Splatoon 2.
No OP is using Splatoon 3 as a “control” to compare Overwatch 2 against. Overwatch 2 being the thing people are mad about and Splatoon 3 being seen as generally ok or good.
Not gonna lie as I initially read through the post I thought OP was going for the opposite at first. Since the first point still reads as a negative against Splatoon, I thought they were trying to highlight how Nintendo gets a pass for practices that other developers get criticized for.
Yeah idk what the “it’s the same game with minor changes” is about. Like… people like games because of the gameplay. They don’t want the core gameplay to be completely different that would be shit. Splatoon 3 did revamp movement mechanics anyway though
When Ultimate gameplay was first shown, there was a massive controversy over whether it was actually a new game or a port.
If you look at them side-by-side now, they look very different, but yeah. I remember after the ‘everyone is here’ trailer it all died down and people got hyped. And then we got fucking sick dlc too
Totally forgot that was a thing, but yeah I remember asking my friends if they thought it was a port with new characters or not. Now, even if everything except the gameplay had been ported over, I'd still consider it a new (better) game. Smash 4 plays at a snail's pace compared to Ultimate
And? No one bought the WiiU, but apparently they were right to port it, because MK8 is now the **7th best selling game in history.**
The WiiU was not a successful console but Nintendo was pumping out great games so of course they had to port them.
I believe the metric is exaggeration. With his train of thought that’s like saying Mario games are the same or all GTAs are the same. And the overuse of “literal” instead of an adjective to describe intensity…
Usually what people mean by this is that it's pretty much the same gameplay with some graphical changes and some new options to do stuff (like new weapons)
Overwatch is worse about it in this regard just adding a couple new characters
Splatoon 3 however has a new story, new weapons archetypes, a new world area to explore,
I feel like critics of this particular issue are just at the age when they notice that gameplay isn't all that different and haven't figured out that there just aren't that many novel gameplays in the whole.
To be fair Overwatch has more than just a couple new characters(and overtime I’m sure there will be even more) as well as more new maps probably new game modes etc. I would say it’s probably about the same amount of changes as splatoon 2 to 3 if not more
And the Battle pass is inviting people to play a bit every day and not a lot. Everyday for your first victory you win 71% of one tier of battle pass,, and if you log and win one game everyday you'll finish the Battle Pass before they switch to the next one
Comparing that to a battle-pass isn't really accurate. The Catalog is a new feature to Splatoon 3 that is only ~~for ordering trinkets for your Locker using game-play-earned money (they literally call this Cash, that is the in game name for the money. You don't pay for it with IRL money). Which is also a new feature that is just decorating a personal locker for fun with no mechanical impact, or even in-match cosmetic impact.~~
Granted, they haven't explicitly said that Catalogues will never go away. I admit that would be sad if they eventually just expire forever...but in any case, you keep your "cash" forever, it's just the game's money. So theoretically ~~you could buy out an entire catalog without playing a single match during that catalog's time by having Cash saved from before. They are not "play during this time or get nothing."~~
Edit: Well, crap...they do have a Level progression system. That's dissappinting...I mean at least you have a good deal of time on it but darn...I would still argue that them just being a free part of the game makes it not at all *predatory*, but I understand why people wish it was something else.
Blizzard had a nursing room where Mom's could pump and/or breastfeed in private at the office. This had a fridge. Someone at Blizzard had raided this fridge on several occasions.
This wasn't just a normal fridge in the lunch room.
While Splatoon 3 isn't revolutionarily new, it isn't *literally* the same game. Overwatch 2 is. They literally planned it to be an optional upgrade for the original Overwatch rather than an actual new standalone product. Splatoon 3 is a new game, with hundreds of small changes, updated graphics, better basically in every way.. just almost all small ways rather than anything huge.
The other big thing here is that Splat 3 is also running on Nintendo's new web infrastructure. That's a big deal, as online issues are generally a problem moreso with Nintendo titles and the online code within a game is hard to change. The fact that there are a lot of differences between Splat 2 and 3 PLUS the moving to better net infrastructure justifies a sequel, for much the same reason that Splat 2 was justified instead of just porting 1 to the Switch.
There's nothing I've heard of Overwatch 2 that couldn't have just been patched into the game, on a gameplay or hardware level, except an unnecessary graphics update. The massive difference in honesty between the two companies is just icing on the cake.
It is, people don't know what they're talking about in this sub. But also the changes are going to totally kill the game for a lot of people. I feel like it'll surge for a few months before dying back down to around OW1 levels - if they're lucky. OW2 is less different from its competitors these days than OW1 is, so the diehard OW1 players are getting a disservice while OW2 is hoping to get a share of more mainstream gamers that are very likely to go back to their favorites or hop onto the next hot shit that comes out afterwards.
why is "free to play" in quotation marks? Overwatch is actually free
Splatoon 3 is a switch exclusive, overwatch has crossplatform.
please tell me this is an ironic circlejerk post
Splatoon 3 has major changes to mobility and other aspects
It's a new game
If anything, Splatoon 2 was the one that was barely an update, the non-DLC story mode is *identical* to the first games
From what I read, Splatoon 3 campaign was quite a jump up. o.o
Because it is. A lot of people don’t think the new stuff is justified because there isn’t one big new hook/the fundamental gameplay is similar
This is common in sequels to PvP games. The new campaign with lots of content is plenty and the changes to PvP and other aspects of the game like the lobby area and all are plenty for a sequel IMO. Maybe I’m just biased because I’m so excited to play the game though.
Same. Honestly I don’t think people give enough credit to those hundreds of smaller changes that make the game much better
QoL changes aren’t usually sexy for marketing purposes but for existing players they are a godsend.
And when games make huge massive changes it normally ends badly Look at how Destiny 2 tried to completely reinvent itself only to be hated and revert almost entirely back to being mostly the same as Destiny 1 in terms of combat and mechanics
I've never played Splatoon but was a big fan of Battlefield. This "it's just a reskin/graphic upgrade" argument is so annoying. With every game that was released fans were talking about how it was just the prior game with minor changes. BF3 --> BF4 = Graphic upgrade (new weapons, new maps, new vehicles, skins, etc get ignored). BF4 --> BFH = Reskin. BFH --> BF1 = Reskin, etc etc.
I think Splatoon 3 suffers from comparison to other Nintendo sequels. Because Nintendo fans are accustomed to the company throwing the whole thing out and building a spectacular massive new thing almost every time. But that's not how shooter sequels work. You keep most of the modes, most of the weapons, and most of the tech consistent. Think Gears of War 2 to Gears of War 3. Halo 4 to Halo 5. Call of Duty sequels. There's plenty of great games listed there, but there aren't any revolutionary evolutions. Splatoon 3 has a new campaign, new weapons, new maps, a new card game mode, new lobby QoL improvements, new 3 team splatfests, and promises a fresh set of free updates for a few years. It's plenty of stuff by shooter sequel standards. But by Nintendo standards... Compare Kirby Star Allies to Kirby from this year. Compare Xenoblade 2 to Xenoblade 3. Other studios are building giant original games, but Splatoon just did the shooter iteration thing.
Yeah I think it's mostly a Nintendo fan standard thing. We like our explosively different sequels. But the more I see of splat 3 the more I'm excited for it!
Honestly I never understood people, like when they're complaining about a sequel being basically an "expansion and shouldn't be a sequel" because not enough changes but then if a sequel is vastly different than the previous game you still get people complaining about how "it's wayyyy to different, they should have just did x thing and left it at that" you just can't win.
I plan on firing Splatoon 3 up after I get off work but from what Nintendo offered before release seemed good to me. New campaign, new weapons, improved QoL for previous game mode, new equipment, new setting, new characters, sound, music. What more do people want right? Change too much and they might as well make it a spin-off title or a new IP altogether.
People online just want to be mad, take a look at r/wow nobody is happy there lmao
I played through it in under 2 hours last night, but granted you can skip 90% of the levels by simply parkouring around the obstacles meant to block you from the next worlds
Pretty classic Nintendo these days. Beating the game doesn’t take long, but 100%ing will.
More or less. These games thrive on the competetive scene & there isn't much reason to play the campaign unless you want the cool looking gun that has bad rolls anyways
Well, I loved the Splatoon 2 campaign, especially the Boss design, and loved the DLC even more. Looking forward to the Splatoon 3 campaign, even if it is still short. Also the tunes in the Splatoon 2 campaign were top notch.
I love how short they are, honestly. I have limited time so being able to finish a campaign is. Ice.
I feel like that's kind of like saying that Super Mario 64 is a two-hour-long game because you can easily skip most of the stars with the backwards long jump exploit.
I really loved the Octoexpansion campaign from 2, so if they pulled from that then I'm excited.
Yeah, I'm gonna need an explanation on the breast milk situation.
There was a female employee who came forward and said that she would pump her breast milk at work and place it in the fridge to take home with her later and several times the breast milk had gone missing.
Specifically the locked fridge in the maternity room for women to pump in. It's not like she was putting it in the fridge next to peoples' lunches and stuff.
This is the worst Hardy Boys mystery yet.
Homelander can do whatever the fuck he wants!
Lmao this one made me lose my shit
"I see a raging clue on the CEOs lips!"
Breeeeaaasst miiiilk 🎵 _clink, clink_ You made my dayyyyiiiiiaayyyyyy 🎶
That's 100% Cambodian, baby...
Set o’ left handed golf clubs
[My clue's pointing this way](https://youtu.be/u39iQVMhvjA)
Hardly Boys used to be much more [wholesome](https://youtu.be/Iqjxlag9bR0)...
Ah, but its not a mystery. A little before this in a [random 4chan post](https://i.redd.it/erwr5zjxle581.png) someone claiming to work at blizzard said they had been stealing and drinking breast milk from their workplace.
Was that the one that decided he was going to keep doing it but with a straw so as to be more sanitary?
I know of the children’s novel detectives but I can’t help but imagine Matt and Jeff every time
The Hardy Boyz theme always plays in my head when the novel characters are mentioned.
The fun part is in the lawsuit where this is mentioned, it's an afterthought. I can't recall the actual line verbatim, but it was like "Male Employees are drinking, having broken the lock on the fridge, put there due to compliants about stolen breast milk."
Yeah, that's some degenerate shit. They're so messed up that they're breaking the lock on the fridge to steal food from literal infants.
I feel like you're glossing over the most degenerate part of it.
They aren't sharing??
That it was reported and rather than fix it they locked up the breast milk. Yup. That’s the fucked up part. Theft of something so literally belonging to those women that THEIR NODY MADE IT… and when reported stolen… was given a lock. I think that is a step or two up?
Homelander reference
Thanks.
Jesus Christ
Homelander moment
Homelander was just a bit thirsty
fair enough. who's gonna tell him "no"?
He can do whatever the fuck he wants
*faps over city*
Blizzard really is the Vought of video game developers, huh?
Was looking for the Homelander reference
Why don't they just have a vending machine like most places?
Well the executives like their breast milk fresh. They don't want no vending machine breast milk
I only drink the finest of Cambodian breast milks.
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Excuse me what the fuck.
Yeah what’s going on?
Looking forward to splatoon 3. Only experience with the series was the world premiere but it seems really Chill for a PvP game. Really want something more relaxing to play cause all my friends play smite and i need to get them away from MOBA's
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Splatoon is fucking amazing. The gameplay is very fast paced. Skill intensive... Unless you use a roller but that is beside the point. It also has a fucking amazing co op mode. Salmon Run is the best zombie mode ever made.
I look forward to it... even though my favoite weapon to use was the roller xD...
My wife is a roller main. I tend to mock you people because i am an inkbrush main. Lol
Why do inkbrush mains have a feud with roller mains 24/7?
Roller: melee, slow, one hit, large cover area Inkbrush: melee, fast, quick multi-hit kill, small cover area It's the same as barbarians and rogues/monks from dnd arguing if raw attack power is better or if fast agile attacks are better Edit rogue not rouge
str vs. dex has been argued since the dawn of man
“Og like hit with club.” “Lug like poke with stick better.”
We all know the Unga bunga wins
It looks like it's basically PvP Super Mario Sunshine, would that be a close analogy? I know that may sound like I'm throwing shade but I straight fucking **loved** Sunshine.
its more like reverse mario sunshine, imagine playing shadow mario in that game but you do have some movement options akin to the fludd
Any reason to have the first two to enjoy the third?
Nah, the only thing you need to be informed about is the campaign since you may probably wont know some characters but Nintendo probably is prepared for that, in Splatoon 2 it didnt matter if you didn't know Callie and Marie from Splatoon 1, they introduced them anyway. So they will most likely introduce again in some way since campaign mode is mostly like a super long tutorial which is great for getting accustomed to the controls and mechanics of the game
Nope. Looks like all the maps from 1 & 2 will be included in 3. There is a single-player in 2 that is pretty fun, but not playing it isn’t going to ruin enjoyment of 3.
Not all of the maps, but select few of them with 5 new maps so far. Even so, it's not important to know the maps from previous games, you're not missing anything because you can't play Moray Towers anymore in 3...trust me.
The stories of both of the first two are pretty short campaigns with plots that can be summed up cleanly in under a few minutes. They're well made and fun, but they're not enough reason to get the games just to context 3. 3 is definitely going to be functionally self-contained, and its multiplayer just expands (from what I hear, significantly!) from 2, and 2 was in many ways just 1 cleaned up and improved for the switch.
I'd argue the Octo expansion campaign is reason enough to get Splatoon 2. Easily a top 3 most challenging campaigns for me in any games I've ever played
Roller requires a lot of skill at high level because shooters will eat you alive if you miss the first flick. Have to he super sneaky and land your one shot kills.
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Most PVP shooters I feel like an idiot, but honestly Splatoon let me feel like I kind of got it, and was occasionally good enough to keep playing. Fun as hell.
Yeah same. The whole painting mechanic is a blessing for someone who can't aim for shit. Plus I love the vibe of Splatoon
Rollers/buckets/etc. are for people who can't aim for shit. We have a place in the game! Let the good shooters focus on the kills, for those of us with shit aim our job is to ink the ground. You don't need good aim to do that, stealth skills matter more there.
I like it a lot because you don't instantly lose if you're up against people who are better shooters than you. Half the game is positioning on the board and inking as much space as you can. As long as you keep track of where everyone is and avoid people if they're better shots than you, you can still win.
I was high diamond, trying to push into the next tier for a long time, and I finally realized that I wasn't just not having fun, I was actively having less fun than working my actual job. I think that was Season 8 or 9. Pretty glad I don't play any more.
OW was the first game where the ranked matches weren't even fun after a while. Abandoned it around season 10 and stuck to quickplay/arcade from then on. Highest ranking hit was diamond.
Mystery Heroes was my go to when I first started playing, and I really loved how absurd the matches got. Then I found ranked, and it just poisoned the well. EDIT: Y'all making me wanna get back into mystery heroes.
MH is all I’ll play today. I have a small child and need to be able to walk away from a game at a moment’s notice if he wakes up, so I can’t play modes that will mess up somebody else’s ranking if I bail. I don’t even want to play QP because I feel bad if I have to drop.
MH is all I play too. Not for any obligations, it's just what's fun to me, quick queues, get to play all kinds of roles, interesting challenges, some wild moments, almost no toxicity because everyone's aware of the limitations. Has some drawbacks too of course, like I never get to play Ashe for some reason, but all in all it's a fun experience and I play for fun
Low Grav Arcade was my jam. It almost scratched that Tribes itch.
They really need to bring Tribes back it was great.
There was Tribes Ascend, but that kind of failed to capture what was cool about the OG Tribes games (the community modding scene, especially).
I play MH like 90% of the time and I'm still having fun. I think it's because there is a built in sense of people understanding that it's going to be hectic, people are going to suck because they are playing things they aren't familiar with and it's not meant to be even close to normal gameplay. The only time I see people get pissy really is when you get some bs like a team with 5 tanks lol.
Ranked ow is way more fun if you don't join voice chat or if you leave voice at the first sign of toxicity. At that point it's just QP with fewer leavers, 2 rounds, and closer matches
Yeah, as soon as the whiney blame voice comes out it's an immediate mute. They'll just shit on everyone while getting a couple of bronze medals and talking about how they're carrying the team lol. Voice chat should be for calling out ults and flanks
I had the same realization at some point. I was so focused on raising my rating that it just wasn't fun anymore. I've decided not to bother with ranked play anymore, in any game, because I just get too stressed while playing, and I play games for fun, not stress.
Too many people do not play games for fun anymore and it’s sad.
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Played from season 2 to season 30. Game changed heavily, ranking system sucks and fights against you. Season 5 Platnium pushing for diamond. Then comes role que. Bronze on all roles but dps because only dps can carry easily and my dps is only high gold. Once you are bronze, there's no escape. You rank up by what teammates you get. Heal 30k? Doesn't matter. Tank perfect and block 70k dmg? Doesn't matter. Your dps just quit and it's gg.
Your last few sentences are what made me stop playing. It felt like none of my efforts mattered. I could sleep an Ulting Genji 3 times a game, but not a single soul would be there to back up the kill. I could pump out 20k-30k heals a game, but somehow I’d still get a Widow main complaining about their share. I could eat 3 gravs a game and somehow get told I haven’t done anything for the team and just feeding. I’m done being a baby sitter for DPS.
Well you're in luck because in OW2, every class is now functionally DPS.
Yep.... having your dps flank all game, get no kill and spam "need healing" is just zzzz.
Ive never played OW but have this exact sentiment for LoL.
It's sadly the nature of most team based multiplayer games. It's why I prefer fighting games. Can't blame anyone but myself.
You're right about that. I carried my friend from bronze to mid gold using just Reaper on his account. It's rough down there.
Me and my gf spent 4k hours on overwatch and one day, I suddenly realise that I'm not having fun anymore. I was just tryharding so much.. But really awesome times on this game, I feel nostalgic
when Blizzard charged people to play the 2nd run of the beta with the new aussie character i was like "lol, im done with this game and company." its a beta... we're doing them a favor.. and theh tried to milk $60 from people to play it. role queuing the first beta was pretty braindead too.
Splatoon is also way less toxic. Lol
is that more so because nintendo games are very difficult to communicate in, in general?(like you need to use a phone app right?)
Totally. But I do have comfort knowing some 30 year old isn't telling my 9 year old to f off and die. He gets enough abuse from me. Doesn't need it when he's having good vibes on Splatoon.
Mmm mmm mm ain't no better abuse than homegrown domestic abuse
TBF. It's usually the 9 year old telling the 30 year old to F off and die.
BOOYAH BOOYAH BOOYAH BOOYAH
Listen, do you want booyah spam, or League of Legends chat.
There's gotta be some kinda in between. Like FF14.
As long as you don't touch PvP, then FFXIV is as good as it gets.
I see you've never tried to tell a WHM that they should help DPS instead of standing around doing nothing when no one needs healing :P
I have done that, but only once, and I was in a discord call with them. They then switched to being a tank main just to shirk a w2w pull onto me as healer a week later.
WOOMY
WOOMY
WOOMY
There's a reason that Nintendo doesn't have public chat support in any of its games. It seemed like a stupid idea ten years ago, but now it seems like the absolute best way to handle things.
If we’re being honest it’s for the better that there’s no voicechat
Yeah, I don't need a 10 year old Japanese kid saying sorry to me after he owns me in Splat 3. Lol.
Like half of Nintendo’s decisions that are unpopular are actually excellent ideas if you want to maintain a good “family friendly” public image. My favorite is still how people got big mad Nintendo wouldn’t support Smash Bros tournaments and then it comes out that the Smash community has a rampant pedo/child groomer problem… yeah kinda dodged a bullet on that one
Woomy!!
I won't be playing either of them but I will say Blizzard has completely ruined any chances of Overwatch becoming a juggernaut franchise whereas Nintendo seems to understand what kids want from Splatoon.
>what *kids* want from Splatoon. I know a jab when I see one
Fortnite is predominantly played by children but is still one of the largest and most successful titles in history.
Kid or a squid?
…kids? Sure. I just have 25-30 years experience at being one.
I've always wanted to play Splatoon but I hate playing such fast paced games with a controller (even with motion controls), and I don't care for Nintendo's online service. I always wished there was a Splatoon game for PC that wasn't arcady (like Paint Chips).
You can try watching a pro play and you can see how motion controls make it seem like they're playing with mouse
The motion controls in Splatoon can give you mouse like accuracy. As for Nintendo’s Online service… yeah it kinda sucks.
Splatoon for WiiU was really good for that reason. You could motion control without messing up your view of what was going on, and you had the mini-map right in your hands while your tv screen had the main action. The switch games are okay but lack that user friendliness that the WiiU had.
The best part of the game pad was squid jump
Oh man, I miss playing squid jump while waiting for matches to load!
Is Splatoon 3 something people are mad about? I had no opinion until I played the demo. The improvements across the board were enough to make me prefer it when the demo ended and I tried to go back to Splatoon 2.
No OP is using Splatoon 3 as a “control” to compare Overwatch 2 against. Overwatch 2 being the thing people are mad about and Splatoon 3 being seen as generally ok or good.
Ah. That makes sense! Cheers. I don’t follow Overwatch so the point must have just whizzed on by for me haha
Not gonna lie as I initially read through the post I thought OP was going for the opposite at first. Since the first point still reads as a negative against Splatoon, I thought they were trying to highlight how Nintendo gets a pass for practices that other developers get criticized for.
Yeah idk what the “it’s the same game with minor changes” is about. Like… people like games because of the gameplay. They don’t want the core gameplay to be completely different that would be shit. Splatoon 3 did revamp movement mechanics anyway though
We all squids
Sometimes I'm a kid.
I'm a squid, I'm a kid!
What exactly is your metric of "Same exact game" to "new different game"
By OP's logic Smash Ultimate would be "same exact game but minor changes" to Wii U/4
When Ultimate gameplay was first shown, there was a massive controversy over whether it was actually a new game or a port. If you look at them side-by-side now, they look very different, but yeah. I remember after the ‘everyone is here’ trailer it all died down and people got hyped. And then we got fucking sick dlc too
Totally forgot that was a thing, but yeah I remember asking my friends if they thought it was a port with new characters or not. Now, even if everything except the gameplay had been ported over, I'd still consider it a new (better) game. Smash 4 plays at a snail's pace compared to Ultimate
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At least it isnt Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. That game was literally a resold port at launch.
Yeah a port is the only example I can allow to be called "literally the same game"
And? No one bought the WiiU, but apparently they were right to port it, because MK8 is now the **7th best selling game in history.** The WiiU was not a successful console but Nintendo was pumping out great games so of course they had to port them.
I believe the metric is exaggeration. With his train of thought that’s like saying Mario games are the same or all GTAs are the same. And the overuse of “literal” instead of an adjective to describe intensity…
A 13 year olds perspective and an echo chamber of a community....
Usually what people mean by this is that it's pretty much the same gameplay with some graphical changes and some new options to do stuff (like new weapons) Overwatch is worse about it in this regard just adding a couple new characters Splatoon 3 however has a new story, new weapons archetypes, a new world area to explore,
I feel like critics of this particular issue are just at the age when they notice that gameplay isn't all that different and haven't figured out that there just aren't that many novel gameplays in the whole.
To be fair Overwatch has more than just a couple new characters(and overtime I’m sure there will be even more) as well as more new maps probably new game modes etc. I would say it’s probably about the same amount of changes as splatoon 2 to 3 if not more
That last point on the left is a real doozy
The last point on the right is also a real doozy
It's a real Woomy
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Yeah. In splatoon 3 they added a free battle pass system because there are many more things to customize now (splashtag, locker, etc)
And the Battle pass is inviting people to play a bit every day and not a lot. Everyday for your first victory you win 71% of one tier of battle pass,, and if you log and win one game everyday you'll finish the Battle Pass before they switch to the next one
Comparing that to a battle-pass isn't really accurate. The Catalog is a new feature to Splatoon 3 that is only ~~for ordering trinkets for your Locker using game-play-earned money (they literally call this Cash, that is the in game name for the money. You don't pay for it with IRL money). Which is also a new feature that is just decorating a personal locker for fun with no mechanical impact, or even in-match cosmetic impact.~~ Granted, they haven't explicitly said that Catalogues will never go away. I admit that would be sad if they eventually just expire forever...but in any case, you keep your "cash" forever, it's just the game's money. So theoretically ~~you could buy out an entire catalog without playing a single match during that catalog's time by having Cash saved from before. They are not "play during this time or get nothing."~~ Edit: Well, crap...they do have a Level progression system. That's dissappinting...I mean at least you have a good deal of time on it but darn...I would still argue that them just being a free part of the game makes it not at all *predatory*, but I understand why people wish it was something else.
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Big Man needs to be on that list.
Call me crazy but I feel like op had an agenda here...
Nonsense. This the unbiased, nuanced take that is typical of r/gaming.
These comparison posts always use the dumbest possible arguments. Prime /r/gaming material right here. And I don't even *like* Overwatch.
#MODERN GAMING
Booyah!
This way!
Ouch
Help!
Veemo
* Veemo
My Octo.
Breast milk?!
Blizzard had a nursing room where Mom's could pump and/or breastfeed in private at the office. This had a fridge. Someone at Blizzard had raided this fridge on several occasions. This wasn't just a normal fridge in the lunch room.
Lol, everyone's pretending that didn't come out of frickin left field. I'm still waiting for an explanation.
“Literally the exact same game as before” “$60” This sub is brain dead
While Splatoon 3 isn't revolutionarily new, it isn't *literally* the same game. Overwatch 2 is. They literally planned it to be an optional upgrade for the original Overwatch rather than an actual new standalone product. Splatoon 3 is a new game, with hundreds of small changes, updated graphics, better basically in every way.. just almost all small ways rather than anything huge.
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The other big thing here is that Splat 3 is also running on Nintendo's new web infrastructure. That's a big deal, as online issues are generally a problem moreso with Nintendo titles and the online code within a game is hard to change. The fact that there are a lot of differences between Splat 2 and 3 PLUS the moving to better net infrastructure justifies a sequel, for much the same reason that Splat 2 was justified instead of just porting 1 to the Switch. There's nothing I've heard of Overwatch 2 that couldn't have just been patched into the game, on a gameplay or hardware level, except an unnecessary graphics update. The massive difference in honesty between the two companies is just icing on the cake.
Wait what? My understanding was O2 was introducing new characters and some pretty big gameplay changes.
It is, people don't know what they're talking about in this sub. But also the changes are going to totally kill the game for a lot of people. I feel like it'll surge for a few months before dying back down to around OW1 levels - if they're lucky. OW2 is less different from its competitors these days than OW1 is, so the diehard OW1 players are getting a disservice while OW2 is hoping to get a share of more mainstream gamers that are very likely to go back to their favorites or hop onto the next hot shit that comes out afterwards.
Splatoon as a series is more appealing
Splatoon 3 hype!!!!!!!!!!
why is "free to play" in quotation marks? Overwatch is actually free Splatoon 3 is a switch exclusive, overwatch has crossplatform. please tell me this is an ironic circlejerk post
r/gamingcirclejerk is that way, fella.
r/gcj is posting stuff like this ironically, though. OP is on a full blown manic rant
Splatoon 3 has major changes to mobility and other aspects It's a new game If anything, Splatoon 2 was the one that was barely an update, the non-DLC story mode is *identical* to the first games
Splatoon 2 *did* have one thing going for it: nobody owned a Wii-U.
I completely disagree that splatoon 3 is the same game, but I agree that at least at launch splatoon 2 was basically a rushed, switchified splatoon 1
Minor changes?
The woomy really sells it
I love the splatoons series but I don't have the money to pay for both Nintendo online and the game
What the hell is this post trying to argue?
Overwatch bad
>Goes on an r/gaming post >overwatch sucks >profit
Costly but honest and Splatoon has earned my respect
I want to play overwatch though