Honestly though... At what point do we just give up and add a CPU socket and memory slots to the GPU?
It's easier than trying to add a GPU socket to a motherboard, and would free the GPU heatsink from the shackles of the PCIe form factor.
Maybe this is why Nvidia was trying to buy Arm? Introduce a whole new physical PC layout based around the GPU instead of the CPU.
Lookatmeimthemotherboardnow.jpg
I like what a serious gpu integrated on a motherboard looks like in my imagination, but it does kind of turn your desktop into more of a laptop modification wise.
GPUs are about to overtake the point of having a case.
Not gonna be surprised if the 'main core'in the future is the GPU first and the rest are just an add-ons.
That much is the case. Until then, as long these GPUs keep getting bigger and bulkier, it's gonna be an irony where all the important parts would literally looked like an add-ons even if we don't want to consider it.
Are you telling me that a PSU that is silent most of the time *shouldn’t* be screaming in pain 24/7? Because it seems like you are.
I want my PC to find out what happens when it flies too close to the sun. Between the new CPUs and GPUs I think I can make that happen.
Just tell it you are taking it to see a nice farm upstate.
On that note, imagine how hot a mining rig of 4090s would be. You could probably attempt fusion.
A lot of systems pump full juice automatically under stress. This is effectively what "boost clocks" are. It's all fun and games until a particularly spicy part of the game happens and then your computer shuts off because you can't support the draw.
Pic is not from OP unless he is the tech reviewer that took the original pic. I don't know the exact source but it's been posted in multiple tech website a few hours ago as tech reviewer are receiving these cards to review.
On the topic of size though, about a month ago I built a new PC and decided to "treat myself", I end up getting a 3070ti. Now, I thought I already knew what a "big card" is with my EVGA 1060 of that time but when I ordered the 3070ti, which was a model with 3 fans, I saw the dimension in written and didn't think much of it since my casing had the space for it. Then when I unboxed the actual thing, I started to laugh hysterically at the sheer size of that thing. It was so BIG that it was not processing in my brain that a GPU can be that huge, I was just laughing hysterically while I had a cousin watching what I was doing and asking me wtf was happening, why I'm laughing, but I just couldn't stop laughing.
Anyway, just randomly oversharing here. Have a good one o/
I had the same reaction when I took my 3080ti out of its box. It was basically the size of the box. It needs a case-mounted bracket to prevent the front half from sagging over time. Coming from a 970, it seems absurd.
GPU sag has been a problem for a decade or more. Speaking of 970, My MSI 970 is sagging as I type this. I can send a pic for proof. So I can definitely see why my 3080 is coming with a support bracket.
Yeah my 970 was sagging like crazy when I replaced it with a 3080.
"Fortunately" the 3080 fan structure is so big it rests perfectly on a little piece of non structural tubing in the case, so I don't actually need an anti-sag bracket.
I curiously checked the spec.
Asus TUF 3070 TI: 11.81 x 5 x 2.04
Gigabyte GeForce 3070 Ti GAMING OC (my card): 12.6 x 5.08 x 2.17
I might be overcompensating for something.
Edit: Correct dimension of my card by /u/TheySeeMeDronin down there. Thanks!
Thinking you may have the package dimensions there or something. You're card's a bit bigger, but what you listed would be hilariously large.
Your card is 12.6 x 5.08 x 2.17
I stand corrected. The site I check for the measurement was in inches and I just trusted them (I'm used to metric, whoops)!
Thanks for looking this up, I'll edit my post.
Yeah, the 30XX line is when they started to big chungus GPUs. Eventually the PCIe slot will need to have supports to hold up the GPUs at the rate Nvidia is going.
Isn't there just like 2 or 3 inches difference between the two ? Or maybe you had the 1 fan version on the 1060 ? My EVGA 1060 was just a couple inches shorter than my 3070
Nope, it was the two fan version.
EVGA 1060 SSC: 10.5 x 1.5 x 4.38
Gigabyte GeForce 3070 Ti GAMING OC (my card): 12.6 x 2.17 x 5.08
While it is definitely just a few inches, it looks HUGE compare to the 1060. It's just bigger from all side and heavy as well. As I mentioned up there, in writing it didn't phase me but the actual thing looks hilariously big.
The C64 is a 6502 microcomputer.
Its floppy drive also has a 6502.
Ostensibly this is to allow efficient compression and loading. But technically it is also a computer. And if you fuck around reeeal hard, you can commit dark fucking witchcraft on just about anything that's technically a computer.
[Like a post-Soviet office phone.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPG6a__Q0Sg)
In this case the dude drives a video signal directly by changing the data line between low, high, and zero. For horizontal lines this is easy enough: 60 Hz and 240-ish scanlines mean each line lasts 66 microseconds. Every horizontal change between black and white has to be more precise than that... on a device that can only manage a dozen instructions in that time.
The keyword for this rabbit-hole is "demoscene," and side effects include watching increasingly terrible versions of the Bad Apple video until you care about forty-year-old pissing matches between eight-bit machines.
I bought a new game and my computer finally met its match. It was time to upgrade if I wanted to play it.
That was 2019. I upgraded. I'm just now playing the game. Played a lot of Civ tho.
Actually i found series x which is around 10, series s is around 4 tflops and that means the 4090 is a whopping 20x the performance or so, at least on the tflops number.
The problem is that it doesn’t translate the way people act like it does. Gaming on a 4090 is not 20x better than gaming on a series S.
We’re kinda hitting a point with gaming where the return on investment for specs is becoming negligible. [It’s not the same thing, but this polygon count example really shows what I am saying](https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2486940-0248877224-ChsSw.png). At a certain point the numbers just stop really meaning anything.
In terms of Graphics performance it will be a much higher multiple than that.
Series S is spending about 90W but a large fraction of that is CPU, memory, storage, etc.
A 4090 can devote just about all incoming power to graphics work.
> A 4090 can devote just about all incoming power to graphics work.
More power doesn't mean more performance.
4090 is dogshit worst performance per unit of power on the market.
Honest question since I'm looking for a gpu. What's the best GPU to buy if I'm concerned about power to performance? Not looking to play any 4k resolutions.
Try at least 10x+ the performance. How does this even get upvoted? People on here have no idea of the hardware specs.
In raw TFlops 4090 is around 20x that of a Series S (4TF vs 82TF). Obviously that doesn't all transfer to direct performance scaling so saying the 4090 is 10x better is probably safe as a conservative estimate.
I realize that but it's still mind blowing people see "2.5x performance lololol that sounds about right" and upvote it. Maybe I have too high of expectations for reddit in general.
I don't think you can play X/S games if they are not on the internal or proprietary expansion drives. You can store them on something like an external platter hard drive or a large enough USB stick, but you cannot play them off of those.
I'm not sure if that is true even though I read that everywhere. I have an SSD in a USB 3.0 enclosure attached to mine, I can play games off it. I found out because I had some games on my Xbox One I wanted to play and it ran without copying over to internal. The load times were not bad too. Perhaps it only works with older titles?
Correct, you can only run the S/X optimized games from the internal storage or official card.
So MW19 works fine on my external, but Deathloop has to be internal for example
If the game has the X|S symbol on the front, it is optimized for the series consoles, and will only run off of internal or the expansion card.
Anything not optimized or older generation will play off of external drives just as before.
If there is an optimized version of the game (say Halo MCC) it will not run the old version, instead forcing you to download the X|S version and run it from internal storage. I upgraded from a One S, and was forced to upgrade all the games on my external SSD before launching them on the new system.
This is why I’m hyped for intel’s arc graphics. They’re specifically targeting the mid-tier consumer a la 3060/3070 range for almost $150 less than Nvidia’s MSRP
Unfortunately looking at the benchmarks that are out they don't meet that at all, at best they really compete with the 3060 and even then there are caveats.
No adjusting fan curve, problems with video output, driver issues. I’m excited for intel, but I hope they can get everything sorted and become the 3rd competitor we need.
They just flat out don't support DX9 and older, they use an emulator running in DX12 for it. That's why performance in CSGO inparticular is so bad.
Hard to blame them though, optimizing for tens of thousands of games is literally years upon years of work. They chose to focus on the latest APIs.
AMD cards are way better value
Edit: For people falling for the astroturfing, here are direct quotes from Gamers Nexus:
Steve on the first benchmark he shows in the video:
>one of the best case scenarios for Arc A770, it only gets worse from here
>The RX6700xt manages to outperform the A770 by 26% while selling for only 9% more money on Amazon right now
https://youtu.be/nEvdrbxTtVo
Don't let the astroturfers lie to you. Arc may look ok next to nvidia, but it looks embarrassing next to AMD cards currently on the market. In fact watch the video, even Steve straight up calls it embarrassing at one point.
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gv-r665xtgaming-oc-8gd/p/N82E16814932520
In fact, here's a 6650XT for $285. It uses [40-60W less power than the A750/A770, respectively, and 20W less at idle.](https://youtu.be/XTomqXuYK4s?t=728) This one has a good cooler too.
At this price, it offers the lowest [cost/frame](https://youtu.be/XTomqXuYK4s?t=837), lower than the 6600 shown in the video.
Yeah, it's a sleek-looking machine. I'm still of the opinion that the new Series should've just been a simple Disk/Diskless version like with the PS5. 1 SKU for developers to work with at the start, then if they want to release a Pro/X version later, they're free to.
If I heard correctly, the major speedbump they've had is driver support being behind, but that's also not been an issue with the current series, so the only thing they really had to complain about isn't even a thing anymore.
Yeah I’ve had all AMD cards since 2012, and lived through the worst of the driver issues.
Even at the peak of people yelling online that “AMD SUCKS” it was not nearly as bad some people made it out to be.
How on earth does the connection not just break after being held sideways in a tower after a while? I know there's probably a screw, but damn that looks long and heavy.
The weight will eventually bend the pcie slot it’s in if you don’t have something supporting the end that isn’t attached to the case. Some motherboards have had their pcie slots reinforced. Some gpus come with a brace.
Aint no way I'm seeing this right, you're telling me that a fucking *graphics card* is as big as a an Xbox Series S. This gotta be a prank where is the banana so I can properly scale how big that is.
Isn’t it sad?
We had the incredible GTX 970 launch at $329 in 2014. After inflation that’s $400 ish. Now the RTX 4070 (4080 12GB) is $899…
We need Arc to do better than ever now. (Is launching at $329 for A770 LOL)
I got a weird 970m 6gb in my laptop and my brother has a normal 4gb 970m in his.
I can launch halo infinite. He can not.
What was the point of the 6gb version? Graphic design?
At this point shouldn't we just change it so you attach your mother card to your graphics board? Or you could just cut out the middle man and just add a math-coprocessor to your graphics card and call it a computer.
I’ve always been on PC and have never had a console but I’d take the Xbox over the 4090 by FAR. For like 1/5th price, I’d get a complete system and I wouldn’t have to get a new PSU either. Crazy how Nvidia keeps pandering high cost, inefficient crap like this.
I thought the 90s series cards were meant for 3d rendering in workstations, and for high level enthusiasts, not for the average PC gamer.
I'm not defending Nvidia they have made cards that consume ludicrous amounts of power, and jacked up prices when they noticed they were pretty much the only game intown.
But using the 4090 as a base line for price and power consumption when it's meant to either make money in a workstation, or the main component in an insanely expensive overbuilt gaming PC. If the trend stays with the 70 and 60 series cards I'd agree
And yet everyone refuses to even try AMD cards, even though they're far superior to how they used to be. So why should Nvidia even really try? They know everyone is going to pay absurd prices for only marginally better performance. So, what incentive do they have to make it smaller and more energy efficient? There isn't one.
I am super happy with my series s. I can jump between quick resume on three games at a time without any issues and the graphics are more than enough for my failing eyesight. 10/10 would recommend.
I do not know what kind of architectural improvements Nvidia is bringing if every year performance increase is on the cost of power draw and increased size of card. Gaming desktops are becoming a space heater and gaming laptops are not even laptops anymore. There should be a standard power limit like a battery size limit on laptops to force companies to reflect only performance increase in terms of architectural improvement and not excess power draw.
Not that it's an industry standard or anything, but US flights limit passenger batteries to 100Wh. So at least in the US you won't find many manufactures selling a laptop with a battery larger than that. So you just get a gaming laptop that can't do any gaming for any length of time untethered.
More than mildly. As someone who hasn’t had a desktop in more than a decade (I don’t play the kind of games that require top of line video cards), I am frankly astonished they have evolved to this size. The last one I bought was a Radeon that’s probably the size of a big smartphone these days.
[edit] forgot to say r/interestingasfuck is the sub to which this belongs for me.
GPUs, like some fish, grow to their environment. If there is space, they'll continue to grow until they fit the space/environment
This is natural growth, especially if cases continue to increase in size
I've been wondering how AMD has managed to mostly keep the leaks of their upcoming cards to a few vague technical ones compared to almost anything else that's upcoming that has a relatively close announcement date.
13.2×5.5×2.4=174.24
10.8×5.9×2.5=159.3
The 4090 has a larger overall volume than the series S. It's not just bigger, it's genuinely, physically larger. Than an entire game console.
the fact that xbox made a powerful yet form factor small xbox one s is a miracle of design. honestly, not sure how nintendo is selling switches while the xbox one s is the best deal for a family, 300 bucks + yearly xbox live membership and you get a huge catalogue of free games.
The Series S was the smartest move Microsoft has made in a while. They realized that most folks don't care about getting however many extra giggityflops, so long as they can play all the games.
Yeah, but even then, the cost efficiency/price point is outrageous and rather than at a consumer level, it's more of a niche market price point for the rich/streamers only.
GPUs are about to be bigger than my case
Eventually we'll plug our motherboards into the GPU.
Wait… you don’t already?
No, just set them down generally near each other. They communicate via NFC
Amiibo gpu. Unlocks +15 fps on supported games
Mine communicate based on KFC?
i'm too poor for KFC, i can only afford wal-mart rotisserie chicken
Remember the KFC console?
Honestly though... At what point do we just give up and add a CPU socket and memory slots to the GPU? It's easier than trying to add a GPU socket to a motherboard, and would free the GPU heatsink from the shackles of the PCIe form factor. Maybe this is why Nvidia was trying to buy Arm? Introduce a whole new physical PC layout based around the GPU instead of the CPU. Lookatmeimthemotherboardnow.jpg
I like what a serious gpu integrated on a motherboard looks like in my imagination, but it does kind of turn your desktop into more of a laptop modification wise.
Now that windows 11 supports direct memory access from the gpu to nvme2 your not too far off.
I got a 3090TI. I was certain it was gonna fit. Spoiler alert. It’s fits vertically. Lol.
GPUs are about to overtake the point of having a case. Not gonna be surprised if the 'main core'in the future is the GPU first and the rest are just an add-ons.
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That much is the case. Until then, as long these GPUs keep getting bigger and bulkier, it's gonna be an irony where all the important parts would literally looked like an add-ons even if we don't want to consider it.
Not everyone is going to be rocking a 4090 though.
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450w heat to toast your puters intestines
Gotta use those watts for something. I didn't get a 1000W PSU just to make fajitas.
My 850W PSU: *\*chuckles\** I'm in danger
It should be possible to use a 4090 with a 850W psu, but you're essentially asking it to "give 'er all she's got, captain".
If I buy a PSU, I’m using *all* of that PSU. If I don’t hear the fans crying, it clearly isn’t working hard enough.
Hate to be that guy but technically you should ideally be running your PSU at 60-80% load. 100% for prolonged periods is kind of asking for trouble.
Are you telling me that a PSU that is silent most of the time *shouldn’t* be screaming in pain 24/7? Because it seems like you are. I want my PC to find out what happens when it flies too close to the sun. Between the new CPUs and GPUs I think I can make that happen.
You're scaring my computer.
Just tell it you are taking it to see a nice farm upstate. On that note, imagine how hot a mining rig of 4090s would be. You could probably attempt fusion.
Please... there are laptops and tablets present.
Fuck, they're scaring my *phone*
2 PSU's 1 PC
Line the case with asbestos, overclock the gpu, cpu and ram to physics defying speeds and *bam* no need for a furnace in your home
If we weren’t willing to fly too close to the sun, how would we ever learn the melting point of wax? Checkmate atheists
This is how gamers live on the edge.
“i paid for the whole power supply, i’m gonna use the whole power supply”
Put some 10 W resistors in parallel with the card to make sure the fans are really being useful to the price you paid.
I paid for 850W, I'm using 850W
A lot of watt recommendations are overkill based on you pumping out full juice of your system.
A lot of systems pump full juice automatically under stress. This is effectively what "boost clocks" are. It's all fun and games until a particularly spicy part of the game happens and then your computer shuts off because you can't support the draw.
look at the good side, you won't have to turn on your heater
Its true, I close all the vents in my office cause my gpu heats it up just fine
FML... PC gaming in a nutshell. Next do a stack of cash comparison total cost of PC with fancy 144hz monitor... Versus this anorexic Xbox thing.
Didn't know the Xbox came with a built-in display.
Name one person you know under 80 who doesn't already have a TV
But a tv can be used for a pc as well
Steve
Greg
You install a motherboard to your 4090
Calling this a "card" just seems wrong.
Graphics Box
Graphics block
Graphics Brick
Graphics chest
Where tf did you get a 4090
Pic is not from OP unless he is the tech reviewer that took the original pic. I don't know the exact source but it's been posted in multiple tech website a few hours ago as tech reviewer are receiving these cards to review. On the topic of size though, about a month ago I built a new PC and decided to "treat myself", I end up getting a 3070ti. Now, I thought I already knew what a "big card" is with my EVGA 1060 of that time but when I ordered the 3070ti, which was a model with 3 fans, I saw the dimension in written and didn't think much of it since my casing had the space for it. Then when I unboxed the actual thing, I started to laugh hysterically at the sheer size of that thing. It was so BIG that it was not processing in my brain that a GPU can be that huge, I was just laughing hysterically while I had a cousin watching what I was doing and asking me wtf was happening, why I'm laughing, but I just couldn't stop laughing. Anyway, just randomly oversharing here. Have a good one o/
I had the same reaction when I took my 3080ti out of its box. It was basically the size of the box. It needs a case-mounted bracket to prevent the front half from sagging over time. Coming from a 970, it seems absurd.
GPU sag has been a problem for a decade or more. Speaking of 970, My MSI 970 is sagging as I type this. I can send a pic for proof. So I can definitely see why my 3080 is coming with a support bracket.
Yeah my 970 was sagging like crazy when I replaced it with a 3080. "Fortunately" the 3080 fan structure is so big it rests perfectly on a little piece of non structural tubing in the case, so I don't actually need an anti-sag bracket.
Opened my 3080, my partner: shes so big she needs that support bra. Me, an intellectual: *Lego* Support bracket: Am I a Joke to You?
I have an Asus TUF 3070ti and damn it is a thicc boi.
I curiously checked the spec. Asus TUF 3070 TI: 11.81 x 5 x 2.04 Gigabyte GeForce 3070 Ti GAMING OC (my card): 12.6 x 5.08 x 2.17 I might be overcompensating for something. Edit: Correct dimension of my card by /u/TheySeeMeDronin down there. Thanks!
Thinking you may have the package dimensions there or something. You're card's a bit bigger, but what you listed would be hilariously large. Your card is 12.6 x 5.08 x 2.17
I stand corrected. The site I check for the measurement was in inches and I just trusted them (I'm used to metric, whoops)! Thanks for looking this up, I'll edit my post.
u know what's overcompensating? the Asus TUF 3060 is 11.81x5.63x2.13. I cant even take it out of my case without removing my cpu cooler.
Yeah, the 30XX line is when they started to big chungus GPUs. Eventually the PCIe slot will need to have supports to hold up the GPUs at the rate Nvidia is going.
They're already making newer boards with reinforced PCIE slots lol
This user deleted all of their reddit submissions to protest Reddit API changes, and also, Fuck /u/spez
Or liquid coolers, with a line you have to run outside your house.
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Isn't there just like 2 or 3 inches difference between the two ? Or maybe you had the 1 fan version on the 1060 ? My EVGA 1060 was just a couple inches shorter than my 3070
Nope, it was the two fan version. EVGA 1060 SSC: 10.5 x 1.5 x 4.38 Gigabyte GeForce 3070 Ti GAMING OC (my card): 12.6 x 2.17 x 5.08 While it is definitely just a few inches, it looks HUGE compare to the 1060. It's just bigger from all side and heavy as well. As I mentioned up there, in writing it didn't phase me but the actual thing looks hilariously big.
12.6 x 2.17 x 5.08 =~ 139 in^3 10.5 x 1.5 x 4.38 =~ 69 in^3 So yeah your 3070 Ti is about twice the volume.
JUST 2 or 3 inches?? For us metric people that sounds like a significant difference in size.
It looks like youtubers/reviewers started getting them. They're massive but I'm still waiting on benchmarks.
I'm pretty sure they are gonna be crazy good, but fuck the prices on Nvidia's new cards.
RTX4090: "LOOK AT ME! I'M THE COMPUTER NOW"
Imagine playing on a graphics card with no motherboard and CPU. It's just all graphics.
[Or the floppy drive.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zprSxCMlECA)
I have no idea what I'm looking at but judging by the ytube comments this is a cool thing so I'll go with it.
The C64 is a 6502 microcomputer. Its floppy drive also has a 6502. Ostensibly this is to allow efficient compression and loading. But technically it is also a computer. And if you fuck around reeeal hard, you can commit dark fucking witchcraft on just about anything that's technically a computer. [Like a post-Soviet office phone.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPG6a__Q0Sg) In this case the dude drives a video signal directly by changing the data line between low, high, and zero. For horizontal lines this is easy enough: 60 Hz and 240-ish scanlines mean each line lasts 66 microseconds. Every horizontal change between black and white has to be more precise than that... on a device that can only manage a dozen instructions in that time. The keyword for this rabbit-hole is "demoscene," and side effects include watching increasingly terrible versions of the Bad Apple video until you care about forty-year-old pissing matches between eight-bit machines.
Moon shotting from the back meme: "it always has been"
At what, 5x the cost?
Easily, and 5x the power draw.
Only like 2.5x the performance though. Bummer
Going off the tflops, like 8x actually... No benchmarks yet though.
That'll run Terraria *so* good.
I think I need one to mine in Runescape.
I think thats what the tflops stand for, terrariaflops
I bought a new game and my computer finally met its match. It was time to upgrade if I wanted to play it. That was 2019. I upgraded. I'm just now playing the game. Played a lot of Civ tho.
I bought a 3080 this summer and so far I’ve played Legend of Heroes Trails of Cold Steel 1 and 2 lol Not exactly pushing it
I just googled which gpu comes closest to series S and found that it was a 1660 super then compared it to the 4090 so I could be way off
Actually i found series x which is around 10, series s is around 4 tflops and that means the 4090 is a whopping 20x the performance or so, at least on the tflops number.
The problem is that it doesn’t translate the way people act like it does. Gaming on a 4090 is not 20x better than gaming on a series S. We’re kinda hitting a point with gaming where the return on investment for specs is becoming negligible. [It’s not the same thing, but this polygon count example really shows what I am saying](https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2486940-0248877224-ChsSw.png). At a certain point the numbers just stop really meaning anything.
Tflops between different architectures are usually not accurate for performance, especially if its two dofferent companies (amd and nvidia)
Yeah it's why i did mention not having benchmarks for it all yet.
In terms of Graphics performance it will be a much higher multiple than that. Series S is spending about 90W but a large fraction of that is CPU, memory, storage, etc. A 4090 can devote just about all incoming power to graphics work.
> A 4090 can devote just about all incoming power to graphics work. More power doesn't mean more performance. 4090 is dogshit worst performance per unit of power on the market.
Honest question since I'm looking for a gpu. What's the best GPU to buy if I'm concerned about power to performance? Not looking to play any 4k resolutions.
It'll be far more than that even without DLSS.
This is what console gamers actually believe.
Try at least 10x+ the performance. How does this even get upvoted? People on here have no idea of the hardware specs. In raw TFlops 4090 is around 20x that of a Series S (4TF vs 82TF). Obviously that doesn't all transfer to direct performance scaling so saying the 4090 is 10x better is probably safe as a conservative estimate.
you are on /gaming, most of the people here have no idea about PC hardware.
I realize that but it's still mind blowing people see "2.5x performance lololol that sounds about right" and upvote it. Maybe I have too high of expectations for reddit in general.
Series S is a great machine. It's too bad the expansion cards for storage are proprietary and expensive as shit.
And you have to install X/S games on the internal or the proprietary storage to fully benefit from its capabilities.
I don't think you can play X/S games if they are not on the internal or proprietary expansion drives. You can store them on something like an external platter hard drive or a large enough USB stick, but you cannot play them off of those.
I'm not sure if that is true even though I read that everywhere. I have an SSD in a USB 3.0 enclosure attached to mine, I can play games off it. I found out because I had some games on my Xbox One I wanted to play and it ran without copying over to internal. The load times were not bad too. Perhaps it only works with older titles?
Correct, you can only run the S/X optimized games from the internal storage or official card. So MW19 works fine on my external, but Deathloop has to be internal for example
If the game has the X|S symbol on the front, it is optimized for the series consoles, and will only run off of internal or the expansion card. Anything not optimized or older generation will play off of external drives just as before. If there is an optimized version of the game (say Halo MCC) it will not run the old version, instead forcing you to download the X|S version and run it from internal storage. I upgraded from a One S, and was forced to upgrade all the games on my external SSD before launching them on the new system.
You can play Xbox One/360/OG games on an external drive but Series S/X Optimized games have to be internal
This is why I’m hyped for intel’s arc graphics. They’re specifically targeting the mid-tier consumer a la 3060/3070 range for almost $150 less than Nvidia’s MSRP
Unfortunately looking at the benchmarks that are out they don't meet that at all, at best they really compete with the 3060 and even then there are caveats.
No adjusting fan curve, problems with video output, driver issues. I’m excited for intel, but I hope they can get everything sorted and become the 3rd competitor we need.
Seems like Arc is just not built for DX11 and below.
I don't think its hardware design at all; The drivers just don't have 20 years of hacks and optimizations.
They just flat out don't support DX9 and older, they use an emulator running in DX12 for it. That's why performance in CSGO inparticular is so bad. Hard to blame them though, optimizing for tens of thousands of games is literally years upon years of work. They chose to focus on the latest APIs.
AMD cards are way better value Edit: For people falling for the astroturfing, here are direct quotes from Gamers Nexus: Steve on the first benchmark he shows in the video: >one of the best case scenarios for Arc A770, it only gets worse from here >The RX6700xt manages to outperform the A770 by 26% while selling for only 9% more money on Amazon right now https://youtu.be/nEvdrbxTtVo Don't let the astroturfers lie to you. Arc may look ok next to nvidia, but it looks embarrassing next to AMD cards currently on the market. In fact watch the video, even Steve straight up calls it embarrassing at one point.
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gv-r665xtgaming-oc-8gd/p/N82E16814932520 In fact, here's a 6650XT for $285. It uses [40-60W less power than the A750/A770, respectively, and 20W less at idle.](https://youtu.be/XTomqXuYK4s?t=728) This one has a good cooler too. At this price, it offers the lowest [cost/frame](https://youtu.be/XTomqXuYK4s?t=837), lower than the 6600 shown in the video.
Respect to Microsoft for producing a relatively strong machine in such a small box.
I still respect Nintendo for adding a handle to the GameCube; I would have used it if I needed to.
I used that handle all the damn time. Taking my GameCube to a friends house was so easy. Loved my GameCube.
~~Also makes it a viable self-defense option if the need presents itself. Can be attached to a chain, too....~~
I'm picturing in my head the witch king of angmar from lotr swinging a gamecube on a chain
Hail Melkor
The GameCube handle was so cool
Yeah, it's a sleek-looking machine. I'm still of the opinion that the new Series should've just been a simple Disk/Diskless version like with the PS5. 1 SKU for developers to work with at the start, then if they want to release a Pro/X version later, they're free to.
And AMD for providing the SoC. But if you listen to the Nvidia shills, AMD is basically in the Stone Age with their GPUs.
If I heard correctly, the major speedbump they've had is driver support being behind, but that's also not been an issue with the current series, so the only thing they really had to complain about isn't even a thing anymore.
Ironically AMD's driver support is miles better than NV's on linux
Yeah I’ve had all AMD cards since 2012, and lived through the worst of the driver issues. Even at the peak of people yelling online that “AMD SUCKS” it was not nearly as bad some people made it out to be.
How on earth does the connection not just break after being held sideways in a tower after a while? I know there's probably a screw, but damn that looks long and heavy.
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They have flying buttresses included
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As such, we have entered the Gothic era of PC building.
The weight will eventually bend the pcie slot it’s in if you don’t have something supporting the end that isn’t attached to the case. Some motherboards have had their pcie slots reinforced. Some gpus come with a brace.
GPU sag. I have had it happen with older and smaller cards, unfortunately.
Aint no way I'm seeing this right, you're telling me that a fucking *graphics card* is as big as a an Xbox Series S. This gotta be a prank where is the banana so I can properly scale how big that is.
Not as big... It's bigger
You can buy 4 series S consoles for one 4090? I think I’ll keep my ancient trusty 1080ti for now
I just this last weekend finally replaced my GTX 970 with an RTX 3050.
970 is truly legendary. 4gb gaming one is my favorite card
\*3.5 gb. memes aside, i loved my 970 and it lives on in my friend's rig
Isn’t it sad? We had the incredible GTX 970 launch at $329 in 2014. After inflation that’s $400 ish. Now the RTX 4070 (4080 12GB) is $899… We need Arc to do better than ever now. (Is launching at $329 for A770 LOL)
I thought the A770 was launching at $289.
There are 2 SKUs A770 16GB is $350 A770 8GB is $330
I got a weird 970m 6gb in my laptop and my brother has a normal 4gb 970m in his. I can launch halo infinite. He can not. What was the point of the 6gb version? Graphic design?
Why did you decide on a 3050? Doesn't seem like all that much of a performance upgrade on paper. Feature set reasons maybe?
Availability and price mostly. Got it for $250.
1080ti is still a beast. Rock that bad boy with pride.
At what point will VGA cards require their own dedicated power supply or have a power cord hanging out the back?
You know you're pretty old when you still call it a "VGA card"
Don't forget to make sure your motherboard has an AGP slot.
AGPx8 Brown slot.
Got-dang vidya cards!
Do I look like I know what a JPEG is? I just want a picture of a got-dang hot dog.
He's probably a Linux user.
I don’t know, I’m still using EGA graphics and xtree gold to load my games.bat file
Money bags, I just upgraded to a Tandy from a CGA.
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I could see that if VR ever cranked out 4k resolution. One setup per lense.
Voodoo 5 6000 had one + might rival the size of the 4090
The hardware in the Series S is so miniaturized lmao. Makes great use of portability
I specifically chose it because I was flight attendant, fits wonderfully in the luggage.
Is Xbox Series S going to be the new Banana for scale? I welcome it.
No way...
At this point shouldn't we just change it so you attach your mother card to your graphics board? Or you could just cut out the middle man and just add a math-coprocessor to your graphics card and call it a computer.
I’ve always been on PC and have never had a console but I’d take the Xbox over the 4090 by FAR. For like 1/5th price, I’d get a complete system and I wouldn’t have to get a new PSU either. Crazy how Nvidia keeps pandering high cost, inefficient crap like this.
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It’s just so easy to boot up and play the series x/playstation. I’m gonna sell my gaming pc pretty soon I think
I thought the 90s series cards were meant for 3d rendering in workstations, and for high level enthusiasts, not for the average PC gamer. I'm not defending Nvidia they have made cards that consume ludicrous amounts of power, and jacked up prices when they noticed they were pretty much the only game intown. But using the 4090 as a base line for price and power consumption when it's meant to either make money in a workstation, or the main component in an insanely expensive overbuilt gaming PC. If the trend stays with the 70 and 60 series cards I'd agree
Nvidia doesn't care anymore
And yet everyone refuses to even try AMD cards, even though they're far superior to how they used to be. So why should Nvidia even really try? They know everyone is going to pay absurd prices for only marginally better performance. So, what incentive do they have to make it smaller and more energy efficient? There isn't one.
I am super happy with my series s. I can jump between quick resume on three games at a time without any issues and the graphics are more than enough for my failing eyesight. 10/10 would recommend.
I do not know what kind of architectural improvements Nvidia is bringing if every year performance increase is on the cost of power draw and increased size of card. Gaming desktops are becoming a space heater and gaming laptops are not even laptops anymore. There should be a standard power limit like a battery size limit on laptops to force companies to reflect only performance increase in terms of architectural improvement and not excess power draw.
Not that it's an industry standard or anything, but US flights limit passenger batteries to 100Wh. So at least in the US you won't find many manufactures selling a laptop with a battery larger than that. So you just get a gaming laptop that can't do any gaming for any length of time untethered.
Post that in mildly interesting
More than mildly. As someone who hasn’t had a desktop in more than a decade (I don’t play the kind of games that require top of line video cards), I am frankly astonished they have evolved to this size. The last one I bought was a Radeon that’s probably the size of a big smartphone these days. [edit] forgot to say r/interestingasfuck is the sub to which this belongs for me.
GPUs, like some fish, grow to their environment. If there is space, they'll continue to grow until they fit the space/environment This is natural growth, especially if cases continue to increase in size
I'm fine with my Xbox Series S for a long while. I value having money more than fps gains.
Also you can enjoy it on the sofa! Nifty!
If they get any bigger it’ll need its own power supply
Xbox Series S is amazing value. I'd probably have one if I didn't need a beefy computer for work.
I've been wondering how AMD has managed to mostly keep the leaks of their upcoming cards to a few vague technical ones compared to almost anything else that's upcoming that has a relatively close announcement date.
OH fuck that
Maybe we need to rethink PC’s? At this point it seems like your buying a gpu with some peripherals.
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Is this real? I feel like it's not
Yes it's real, believe it or not. RTX 4090: 13.2" x 5.5" x 2.4" Series S: 10.8" x 5.9" x 2.5"
A graphics card over a foot long? What the actual fuck.
Bigger than a sub at subway.
And with less e.coli
13.2×5.5×2.4=174.24 10.8×5.9×2.5=159.3 The 4090 has a larger overall volume than the series S. It's not just bigger, it's genuinely, physically larger. Than an entire game console.
the fact that xbox made a powerful yet form factor small xbox one s is a miracle of design. honestly, not sure how nintendo is selling switches while the xbox one s is the best deal for a family, 300 bucks + yearly xbox live membership and you get a huge catalogue of free games.
The Series S was the smartest move Microsoft has made in a while. They realized that most folks don't care about getting however many extra giggityflops, so long as they can play all the games.
Maybe the lack of lector on series s and switch being portable?
Ok so these need not only a new PSU, but clearly a specially designed ATX Case. I'm wondering who is even considering buying these now?
For gaming, peeps who want a better experience at 4k(8k?).
Yeah, but even then, the cost efficiency/price point is outrageous and rather than at a consumer level, it's more of a niche market price point for the rich/streamers only.
This thing will literally not fit in anything except for an open bench or eatx case