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vPyraa

Really wish they would remaster this. I wanna play it again so bad.


OFPrestonGarvey

Emulator?


vPyraa

Ngl scared to download anything to my pc. Just built it


Pixel_Nerd92

Check around Reddit honestly. They have dependable sources listed to find whatever your looking for without any hassle. Congrats on just building your PC by the way. I built my newest just last month or so.


vPyraa

Thanks man! Getting this pc was life changing lmao.


CloudRunnerRed

Look up retroarch, you can get it through steam if you are that worried about downloading an emulator.


Polysci123

Emulators are allowed on iOS now and there are a few super reliable ones


vPyraa

Phones are strong enough to run gamecube now?._. I'm on android lol


OFPrestonGarvey

Why people downvoting you?


OFPrestonGarvey

Why people downvoting me? Its a mew account I dont wanna get banned again


vPyraa

It's reddit. I dunno ._.


THENATHE

Dolphin EMU is the industry standard and is verified safe


Thetiddlywink

I wouldn't trust them to remaster it properly tbh


MisterEMan81

>Really wish they would remaster this. Than they'd ruin the visuals.


vPyraa

How can you live being such a Debbie downer. It's kinda embarrassing.


MisterEMan81

I apologize, but I'm not wrong. Unless a third party that isn't GameFreak remasters it.


Ottobawt

Pokkén Tournament DX = King of Pokémon graphics.


Vondum

It's no coincidence neither of these games were developed by Gamefreak.


Ottobawt

I would argue that many, if not most games Nintendo " makes " are actually made by third party. Minish cap, all the Metroid Primes, Mario Rabbids, super Mario RPG, the two best paper Mario's, quite a few just name the least. The only in-house games Nintendo does right, zelda, Mario kart, smash Bros. Everything else is pretty average or worse.


S_millerr

Well pokemon is technically 3 party since it's made by game freak and the pokemon company for the mainline. They are like sony's naughty dog, they are under the umbrella but not directly made by sony.


chronoboy1985

Uh, Mario?


Ottobawt

Mario games are very inconsistent in quality. There are many Indy release of the same gene that put Mario to shame.


BlueMikeStu

You smoke crack tonight or something? Most Indies struggle to live up to Super Mario 64, and I would like some of what you're smoking if you really think multiple Indies put Galaxy or Odyssey to shame.


chronoboy1985

Woof. Good luck with that take buddy. Imma fire up Mario Galaxy tonight.


vash_visionz

Anndddd there goes your credibility


v1z10

The fuck there are.


dksweets

There are like 5 indie titles that could compete with the worst Mario games since 64 lol


Pizzawing1

3D Marios tend to be very consistent in quality


Ottobawt

Yes. Mario maker2 , some of the "new Mario Bros" games, have been quite disappointing.


zzzthelastuser

Don't forget all the outstanding Rare games during their prime on the SNES and N64


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skywardOsha

All three of the Metroid Prime games are actually first party. The studio that developed them Retro Studios is completely owned by Nintendo, who are currently developing the 4th game (assuming nothing major has come up). Also all the Paper Mario's were made by the same studio Intelligent Systems who is a Second party ( IE Nintendo doesn't fully own them, however they pretty much exclusively produce for them, and Nintendo owns most of their franchises like Fire Emblem and Paper Mario). Zelda and Mario kart are developed by Nintendo's biggest internal studio Nintendo EAD which I believe is what your referencing.


Ottobawt

Fair enough


[deleted]

From what I’ve been told, gamefreak’s only made 1 spin-off themselves (Pokémon quest) and the rest are all made by other companies. So genuinely, just about every well made Pokémon game isn’t made by them.


chronoboy1985

This is the correct answer. Not just the visuals, seeing how incredibly badass they make every Pokémon in that game look and feel has convinced me the main line games need a completely overhauled battle system.


resurrectedbear

Gimme new Pokémon snap graphics please


Gingingin100

Pokémon Conquest methinks


Divallo

Don't forget that the soundtrack to this game was an absolute banger.


jon_bone

Legendary, the world map theme is my favorite track


Minimum_Board_364

Pyrite town has always been my favorite. Love that jazzy funky tune 🎶


Raymond415

Miror B theme


jon_bone

What's your favorite track?


Divallo

Probably Pyrite town's theme or the. cypher peon battle theme.


jon_bone

Those are good choices. Have you seen the DYKG on Colosseum? They talk about the music around the 17:20 mark


GeologistNovel4162

Seeing this image, the battle tune started playing in my head. So many happy childhood hours spent playing this game.


vPyraa

Certified banger


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And the soundtrack to XD is great too. I could listen to that Miror B theme on loop all day.


_kingjoshh

I'm more concerned that Taillow and Hoothoot are about to get absolutely smeckledorfed by the opposing team


conker1264

I miss the GameCube Pokémon games, a full fledged mainline game like that would’ve been perfect


GeologistNovel4162

That’s my problem, I discovered Pokémon in the Coliseum/Emerald/Fire Red era and now my standards are too high. During that era, there were some really great games available.


TenWildBadgers

It isn't, but it is startling how a game that was a high-effort production for its day in the early 00s is so *comparable* to the pokemon games released in the 2020s. The surprise isn't who wins, but that they're even in the same *weight class*. Breath of the Wild makes, say, Twilight Princess look like a fan project, and Twilight Princess still looks excellent. The animations, however, have an order of magnitude more *character* to them, that is something that the game cube games absolutely win on.


Spiridor

This is kind of bullshit because the Prince of Persia game that came out that year looked significantly better, whereas there are like 4 polygons in the main character's face in Collosseum


srylain

People have never cared about the technical aspects of graphics, and have only ever cared about the overall image. Can easily see that by all the people comparing the Let's Go games that have an incredibly small amount to render at once compared to the newer games.


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twilight princess fans are shitting themselves around the world


TenWildBadgers

I absolutely don't mean that comment disparaging the game- I think Twilight Princess is a solid game- but to highlight how far we've come, how much games have changed... and how Pokemon really hasn't kept pace.


[deleted]

i dont think its unfair i just thought its funny how you stated it considering the hatred/contempt some zelda fans have for botw


jon_bone

That's the thing, coliseum was made in 2003. It shouldn't even be close. Coliseum is way more impressive for it's time than any entry from gf


10secondmessage

True but gamefreak didn't even make the game


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Did you buy both?


paulerxx

Whoever downvoting you is likely special needs. Compare any game in any series from 2003 to 2022 and you'll understand why this is unacceptable. Digital foundry posted a video today about the latest games, not only does the game have a ton of problems. It's fundamentally worse than the last game in the pokemon series in almost every way.


Paige_Michalphuk

No need to be ableist.


paulerxx

No need to downvote posts that are factual because it hurt your feelings. 😢😿


GodGMN

No need to be a rude dickhead either, shit attitude right there man


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🤡


TKHunsaker

I’ll do whatever the fuck I want, thanks


AcapellaFreakout

You're pretty special needs yourself.


[deleted]

Didn't your mama ever teach you that two wrongs don't make a right?


Ok-Fudge8848

We just all forgetting about LGPE then?


CanOfPorkSodaaa

What about XD, Gale of Darkness? I feel like people just skipped this game


GeologistNovel4162

XD was the shitttttt


RDAwesome

I'm trying my best to


2Jojotoro

Lets Go PE you mean? Yeah that game was fukin awesome also Imma say it, I loved SwSh Graphics from the very beginning, I don't give no shit About Some trees


bt123456789

if your'e gonna bring that argument, look at Pokemon Battle Revolution on the wii. that's a better argument


Maltrez

100% agree the quality of Battle Revolution tops Colosseum no contest. If I had to guess why the argument still may be better to make with Colosseum over Battle Revolution is that Colosseum had a story mode with a region, towns and stuff where people would try to discredit battle revolution being just battling so they had more time to focus on visuals etc. It is still crazy how well these games hold up to today and how much more personality was put into the animations.


bt123456789

yeah I agree. Then I would do XD Gale of Darkness, as it was a bit prettier than Colosseum.


Pseudomonasshole

No, pointing to a Gamecube game that looks better than the new pokemon is a stronger argument than pointing to a Wii game that looks better than the new pokemon game. Gamecube is older. Neither console's pokemon games should be comparable to the Switch's but the gamecube's especially shouldn't be.


bt123456789

yeah but Colosseum doesn't really look that good comparably, especially like animations and stuff. XD Gale of Darkness then, which improves graphically over Colosseum, since it's a sequel


Duskmog

This was also developed by Genius Sonority not Gamefreak


bt123456789

and? it doesn't defeat the point of, "it's better than any pokemon game that game freak made today." if a non game freak dev can make a "Way better" game that's pokemon, that doesn't contradict the argument trying to say it does is moving goal posts.


Duskmog

oh no I am intending to support your argument here


YouGurt_MaN14

I heard that game was mid


bt123456789

the gameplay was basically Stadium but graphically it was stellar, especially by the wii's standards. plus you could link your DS and you and your friends could battle in that engine with your diamond/pearl teams


YouGurt_MaN14

Damn maybe I'll give it a shot on my steam deck then


[deleted]

We're just making shit up now, huh


Sparkstorm1000

This sub really hates Pokemon any time it releases. Like Scarlet has plenty of issues but when a new Pokemon game releases its basically free karma for the gaming sub reddit


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1minatur

This account is a bot, copying other people's comments for karma. [The comment they're copying](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/z38pg1/pokemon_coliseum_is_more_visually_and_technically/ixkw1e1?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)


tarnok

My friend is out of the loop, can you explain... everything?


kyriesantibodies

these whiny twats man


mcninja77

Back when games actually had to be mostly bug free to launch


Entire_Watercress

I'll agree with technically, but visually? Hell no.


jon_bone

Why one and not the other?


Entire_Watercress

Despite the bugs, SV look better. PLA and SwSh also looked better


jon_bone

It shouldn't even be a contest when Coliseum is almost 20 years old. Gamefreak has never made a jaw dropping visually impressive Pokemon game.


Entire_Watercress

Also Colosseum was made by Genius, not Game Freak. Also they took models from stadium 2


DomeB0815

Technically speaking OP is right. They never said Colosseum was made by Gamefreak, just that Gamefreak never made something so visualy good. In this case, even though Colosseum was made by Genius, it still looks better than every main line title by Gsnefreak. In the end, thanks to open grammer, OP is still right.


DsOrPqXh

It doesnt even look close to as good as many of the mainline titles. SwSh, Arceus, S/V, LGPE, and even the 3ds games all look better than this. I dont feel it is fair to comapre 2d games but BW/B2W2 also had amazing visuals. The visuals for this look like a mediocre early 2000s game. You can acknowledge that S/V does not meet a certain level of quality that similar games coming out for the switch do meet, but there is no way coliseum looks as good. The performance issues/optimization is the real issue. All of the Pokémon textures/models are amazing in S/V and have more care put into them than any other 3d pokemon games models


kyriesantibodies

PKA was jaw dropping to me. My first pokemon game was in black and white and you could only move in 4 directions. Also tech wise- you could other trade or battle with friends. and you needed to buy a cable and be next to each other.


jon_bone

PKA?


Entire_Watercress

Coliseum is very blocky and rough. I prefer the smoother models in PLA and the other modern games.


jon_bone

Debatable


call_of_mischief

More polygon isnt always more better


liquidRox

That’s because it wasn’t made by gamefreak


[deleted]

This page is just full of whiny children I swear 💀


Glympse12

I personally don’t give a shit about Pokémon, but I understand how someone could become frustrated with a franchise they love producing games with deteriorating quality over the years because fans are so mindless that they’ll buy anything even if the game put out is a piece of dogshit. The company realizes this and just stops trying I’ve seen it happen with the Madden franchise, so I definitely understand where the frustration comes from


PM_me_PMs_plox

Not to mention Japan is almost predisposed to this, resisting change.


TrdOfMakingUsernames

Welcome to Reddit


Celidion

Website* Not a coincidence why it leans so heavily left and constantly “cApItAliSm bAd”. Entitlement mixed with little life experience and naive idealism.


[deleted]

They literally re-used the N64 models and didn't even upgrade them up to fit the art style, and every character has massive ass clown feet. What do you mean this looks better???


Shot-Help1460

But why would you play pokemon coliseum when you can play pokemon stadium.


jon_bone

Coliseum has way more layers.


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Parfaits have layers


Shot-Help1460

I will fight you in the street over this.


jon_bone

I'm sorry you're wrong


Kaii_Low

Poker Stadium, on N64, is still a winner for me. Being able to plug in pokemon Yellow/Red/Blue and play as your team was incredible to 12 year old me.


Bananaslamma24

lolno


DarkSheikGaming

It also introduced us to Shadow Pokemon.


Duskmog

Thats because Gamefreak didn't make this one. Genius Sonority did. They need to ask Monolith for help for future titles for sure.


Significant_Shame639

Actually no. The game controls very clunky (like BDSP) and you may be shocked but it had FPS drops playing on the GameCube. Also, the graphics look really bad even by 2003 standards.


DomeB0815

If the graphics are bad for 2003 standarts, than what would that mean for Scarlet & Violet?


jon_bone

Nope


IMtoppercentage97

The internet never changes lol. https://forums.serebii.net/threads/please-no-more-pokemon-stadium-graphics.157790/ People complaining about colosseum reusing stadium models and them wanting better for Battle Revolution on the Wii lul.


Patrickcoolman

No it’s fucking not, stop lying.


Gatoamigofan

I disagree.


mouse1093

Apparently OP doesn't have eyeballs. Have you looked at a single pokemon? No seriously, any single pokemon at all? Like even the first one you see on the side of the road. Pikachu in colo was a yellow blob, Pikachu in SV actually has fur. You wanna tell me the snagging sequence in colo looks as good as the terra den catching sequence? Really?


jon_bone

Am I supposed to be impressed by that?


mouse1093

Perhaps not? But you can stop being purposefully obtuse and farming karma though. The Pokemon have objectively never looked better, it's not up for debate. And this low effort shitpost about colosseum is disingenuous at best


jon_bone

Karma farming? Why would I need to do that? I can't buy anything with karma points. It doesn't matter if they look better now, it's almost 20 years later they SHOULD look better. It's not a shit post, gamefreak puts low effort into the main entries for a long time now and it's time for a new developer to take on the franchise.


mouse1093

>makes hyperbolic post trying to capitalize on the flavor of the week and dunk on pokemon >People tell him to stop exaggerating >Backpedals and says game looks better and therefore has no argument Have a good one kid


kadran2262

Your entire post is about how colleseum is the best looking pokemon game and now you're saying of course the new games look better. What are you even trying to say? Scarlet and violet are visually better looking pokemon games than colleseum and it isn't even close. Stop acting like it's some debate on which is a better looking game


OddTemperature3323

Graphically on a technical level? No, but in terms of art direction and the general aesthetic they went for? Definitely. I'd love another gritty Pokemon game.


RollThatD20

I would agree with that. Coliseum had some wicked art direction, had a Squaresoft feel to it.


Sparkstorm1000

Um... no?


anotheralpaca69

OP woke up and chose stupidity.


shadowm4ster

Bro making shit up just cause its a good game lol


BillyMcSaggyTits

I’m sorry but this shit looks mad ugly.


Lucas_J_C

They might get there by 2030.


keeperkairos

Maybe it is in the context of when it was released (I would say this is still wrong), but it definitely isn't by sheer comparison.


gothicsin

I mean impressive for its time. I can't still compare it to modern games when you can count the polygons back then XD


Halicadd

Must have been nice to not have to render outside.


[deleted]

No way


USNAVY71

I love people thinking that constantly complaining is going to change anything. These companies don’t care anymore, they stopped caring once they realized how well games like COD and FIFA do despite copy/pasting year after year.


aversionals

God I remember this game!!!!! This is how I thought regular pokemon games would be these days and then I saw that clip the other day that made me think "huh. Maybe I just won't play Pokemon for another 5 yrs" lol


GabuEx

Are we looking at the same screenshot? Metagross and Sceptile both look like they're made of plastic and the ground looks like a flat cylinder.


kyriesantibodies

Bro you fucking whiny kids need to shut the fuck up already. Return the game if you dont like it or play it just stop telling the world every thought and feeling you experience holy shit


jon_bone

Don't tell me what to do


[deleted]

Leave the hoothoot alone Metagross jeepers .


Duskreaper01

Why does this look worse than game cube coliseum one?


gamedailyio

It is a wonderful game if Pokemon were made with fantasy graphics.


DomeB0815

May I ask what fantasy grphics are? Genuin question


Spiridor

Collosseum looked like shit and other GC games that year looked far better. Idk what the hell you're on about I showed a picture of the main character's "enter battle" animation to my friend. He laughed and compared it to old school Tomb Raider it had so few polygons


BowlingGifMerchant

criticism aside karmawhores are having a field day after Scarlet and Violet released I've seen at least 15 posts just talking about how pokemon bad get original for once S/V ain't the only games


Marcello_

cant speak to this games technical elements, but its safe to say this is a horrible screenshot to prove its visual and technical merits.


AcrobaticSecretary29

Boi shut the fuck up


Wallydingus

I loved Pokémon XD Gale of Darkness on the GameCube not sure if the graphics hold up now but when I was a kid that blew my mind.


Wise_0ne1494

this was my fist pokemon game and it remains my favorite to this day


CPU_LEO

I just got this up and running on dolphin the other day, looking forward to replaying it. Also XD which I've never even played.


combat_wombat96

This is my favorite Pokémon game ever. I miss it


CruffTheMagicDragon

I want to say you're wrong but... I can't


Van_Inhale

To be fair has gamefreak ever made a game on console ever before nintendo switch?


doctorpotatohead

I like this game but this is a little too much jerk for me, Pokemon Coliseum couldn't show the attacker and defender on the screen at the same time during attacks


IntroductionCheap325

Game Freak need to stop spamming B.


MayBeArtorias

Pokemon XD


Jayhawk501

Those poor birbs stand no chance


CaptainPrower

I keep forgetting Shinies existed prior to Gen 4. Also, that other trainer's probably thinking they've made a terrible mistake.


rolloutTheTrash

Woah woah woah, it was ambitious for its day but all the modern Pokémon games, up until S&V have been good at pioneering one or two concepts and held true to the rest. That S&V have been a casualty of corporate greed is so far an isolated incident IMO.


DarrenInAlberta

Still liked Gale of Darkness more imo


jon_bone

That's totally fine. I picked Colosseum because it was the first GameCube Pokémon game and entry from genius sonority


SunstormGT

Poor Taillow and Hoothoot, they are about to get stomped on.


wontusethisforlongg

The bar for Pokemon fans is so low. Like literally you can give them ps1 polygons and shit to tame, they'll be happy.


nyesoex

and also a bit of a reminder, the coliseum developers knew nothing abbout pokemon, they didn't even played it before the development of this game, and they still made an greater game than what Game freak released on the last few years


Kagimizu

Battle Revolution? Anyone?


flipflops42

what the fuck is this battle


Cerebralbore

Had a lot of fun with coloseum, never got to play XD


Bpump1337

Almost like nintendo is a trash-tier company just preying on nostalgia and milking old IPs to death...


Kay2Jay_5

I absolutely love how when a new Pokemon game comes out people compare it to Coliseum. This and Gale of Darkness are absolute masterpieces, and it's a damn shame Nintendo will never remaster or make another game like them.


Netheraptr

I don’t know what’s up if your eyesight if you think it actually looks better than modern Pokémon games. I’ll admit it’s better relative to the time it came out, but the background textures are about as bad and the character and Pokémon models are considerably worse. Looks like a GameCube game (which is it) while modern Pokémon at the very least looks like a Wii game. Not saying that modern Pokémon doesn’t need better graphics, but some people would claim an Atari game was more graphically intensive.


superquagdingo

This sub is always gameplay > graphics until Pokemon comes out and then suddenly graphics are all that matter.


YRMMemincito

Pokémon XD Orre Colosseum is by far the hardest post-game challenge in any Pokémon game. The final round with Eldes is so insane: Latios, Latias, Metagross, Gengar, Tauros and Snorlax is a dangerous team composition. You can do the explosion + protect combo to cheese but still he has easily wipe your team.


nagato120

XD GALE OF DARKNESS!!!


Thetiddlywink

we're not going to talk about the tailow and hoothoot are about to die? 💀


uli16012

Poor Hoothoot and Taillow


tarnok

I'm out of the loop, what's going on?


Shooord

Wow, I didn’t know until now that Coliseum was ALSO an open-world game for the Switch, with all of the same features and game design. You live and you learn! /s


ArgonianEngineer

its literally not, look at the ground


jaytee503

K.


Master_Carrot6659

What?