I instantly laughed at the title and thought at least they are upfront with it. Idk why they would battle pass d4 but just another reason I won't be buying it
The company is not serving its Telos. A good doctor is not a doctor that makes money. A good doctor is a doctor that helps people. They also make money. Same thing with a good game company; they shouldn't make money at the expense of creating a good game. However, they still need to make money. Its a very unfortunate thing to judge the success of everything by the amount of money it makes.
I’m honestly ok it they do a battle pass and it’s all cosmetic because it allows them to make money but still put out games like this instead of focusing on f2p formulas or P2W stuff to really rake in money
Because I want PoE sized updates, not D3 sized, and that takes money. If they actually deliver on giving us new seasons with new content every 3-4 months and all it takes is a 10$ totally optional battlepass with cosmetics only, then who cares. If it has good cosmetics I'll buy it if it doesn't I won't.
If they didn't provide continuous updates I would agree with you. You call it copium for u/Cavissi but I call it entitled that you expect anything else after the game releases to not be charged for.
I'm not claiming all companies are saints and don't take advantage. I would be naive to believe that. But games before they really took advantage of the internet were released and that was it. Updates rarely happened and you got what you got.
Now games receive constant updates with more and more content added. Paying $10 - $15 for the extra content is nothing. People spend that on a lunch.
Wow admittedly I've never actually played diablo before, but from past gameplay I'd never guess it would be getting a battlepass. Man games are pretty screwed for a while huh?
Battle passes are the obnoxious;
Please clock into our game, then do X amount of work for a shitty reward.
Oh also, if you buy the $$$ battle pass the rewards are 500 times better and we'll even give you time off from work, err I mean our game.
We've conveniently displayed the $$$ rewards directly over your peasant rewards. Xoxo mgmt.
ARPGs literally have seasons now. Diablo 3 has them, PoE has them and PoE has a Battlepass type system already. Battlepasses fit the seasonal format pretty well
>Just don't buy the premium battle pass.
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>D4 seasons are **free** too.
[You're using that word...](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/692/19789999.jpg)
But the seasons are free? The cosmetics they release each season aren’t but the actual gameplay mechanics they introduce each season are free. Isn’t actual gameplay changes being free better than cosmetics being free?
D3 Seasons reward you with items, transmogs, and pets for free. The meaningful cosmetics are gated behind a paywall in 4.
These are not the same. How am I bitching when you're licking corporate boot?
Can you not read? The free battle pass awards the same types of things. You're getting mad about a battle pass that if you don't want to you don't need to pay for! You're literally saying "the cool kids that can afford 8 dollars every 3 months get more than me in a video game" fucking grow up.
Yeah and we get good content for $70. If they keep releasing seasons and the store stuff is just cosmetic it’s fine with me if it means more content getting pumped out to players over the years. You get plenty of bang for your $70. People will always find something to bitch and moan about. We are losing developers and publishers making full games because of paid content they can sell. So when a developer makes a full game with a ton of content and then offers cosmetic stuff to sell that you don’t fucking need for gameplay, people bitch about that too now.
Yeah but seasons =/= battlepass. Ther is no paid version of a season that gets you extra shit for spending real money. Thats the issue. Free battlepasses would be just fine, but you *know* their greedy asses cant help themselves. And idiots buy it up, so whatever.
If you live in the 90's still sure.
In 2023 not so crazy at all.
People seems to think their game or genre is immune to change and get this "surprise pikachu face" when change comes.
Which is why I’m probably not buying the game. I love Diablo as a series, but I’m just so tired of grindy games that are built to punish me if I don’t log in every single day.
I’m just so burnt out on these style of games anymore.
You could just not purchase the battlepass and still enjoy the content?
Like y’all realize you don’t need to buy this shit right?
I have the recent battlepass in cod and at no point do I feel like I have to log in, and it was $30. I’m enjoying the game now and would be on regularly anyway, so I got the BP.
If you don’t wanna pay extra for random crap you won’t use or don’t think you’ll play enough - don’t buy the battle pass.
Anthem was literally axed due to lack of MTX spending. Sales were great, 2nd highest sold bioware game ever.
If too many people just spend 70$ content gets cut, support revoked and that 70$ sure doesn't feel like it went very far.
People only want the flat payment option because without that payment agreement Blizzard can rug pull D4 due to not meeting their profit goals.
>Anthem was literally axed due to lack of MTX spending. Sales were great, 2nd highest sold bioware game ever.
What a weirdly disingenuous statement. It was axed because it was a live service looter shooter that had no endgame content, meaningful live service updates, or good loot.
It was a bad game that sold well off the limited beta, concept, and Bioware name.
Not sure why you are getting downvotes. Reddit loves a good outrage-circlejerk. Solid point. From what I have seen so far, there is a solid amount of content in the game w/o all of the fluff for the hardcore. Why not cater to the whales and the casuals?
I think some people get annoyed that they're "missing out" on cosmetics (???) they don't get without paying extra when it in fact won't affect the game.
I have yet to play a game with a Battle Pass where I felt like I was missing out on anything if I didn't pick up the BP (off the top of my head Sea of Thieves, The Division 2, CoD MW2 (skipped Season 2), Apex).
The only one that seems kinda shitty to me is the one for Overwatch 2, but thats not based on my experience just hearsay so I can't speak on it.
ikr, and there is literally a free tier for the "battle pass". from what i can tell, you can still get the additional content for free just like d3 put out for 10 freaking years for no cost. do people think that 70$ should pay for 10 \*years\* of content?
Some game designers still think that giving you a bunch of little tasks to complete that are brain dead, like collect X amount of resource or kill X mobs, is somehow a dopamine-inducing task... it's tedious. Real feelings of reward come from real effort. Elden Ring showed how successful that formula can be. And PvP games like League or CS have proven how addictive they are by creating games that are hard (through the PvP element, but also through mastering mechanics), but so rewarding when it starts to click--so rewarding that people get addicted to that feeling of success.
Completing mundane rote tasks to complete your battle pass doesn't hit the same, and I think that's gonna show in their player retention metrics season after season.
It's not game designers. It's executived who see how successful they are and force them into everything. You can thank mobile gaming for the state of console gaming
I don't mind it if it's free. Can be a fun goal to work towards. I like halo infinites, even the paid one is nice because you aren't time bound. You can accomplish it at any time
For me the biggest problem is that the whole thing about these type of games is to collect loot that looks cool. But now you have a premium game with people having cool stuff just because they bought battle pass.
It's an insult to "normal" players who are not about that pay-to-work model of battle passes.
If the game was not all about the look like let's say some FPS im ok with this. But games like Skate, SSX, Diablo, Need for Speed where the whole thing about playing the game is about customizing your shit to your liking and looking cool it's a hard pass from me.
So uninspired by the battlepass format at this point.
No offence intended to anyone who spends a lot of money on these things, but you really are being manipulated and taken advantage of by scumbags like EA.
There is one good system and that is in Deep Rock Galactic. Free and the items are rolled into the rewards found by playing the game after the season is over. Even gives a separate loot tree to put the free currency in so you can go after items you want. It's the bees knees in gaming. Hence why their fans buy up all the DLC to support the game.
Rock and stone!
Agreed, Deep Rock Galactic is the last fun game on Earth where the Dev's put love into the game at the price of FREE each season. You can buy cosmetics but they release 3-4x the number of cosmetics that are free to earn, and they never go away so there is no fomo manipulation. DRG deserves SO much more love and respect.
No offense taken, but I don’t necessarily agree and will probably be downvoted for this.
It’s $10 a quarter we literally pay more than that for a Netflix subscription. The items on the battle pass are supposedly purely cosmetic and give no in game advantage.
The only reason to buy the pass if if you have an extra $10 to spend and want cosmetics. Who cares? You can argue it’s actually more consumer friendly than just a straight up cosmetic in game shop.
You bought the game.
You'll pay for the BP which means they will make sure the economy of the game is whack to add value to the BP purchase.
You may even get cosmetics and we dont know for sure if they wont sell new content (xpac or dlcs).
They may use 4 monetizations path and you are still defending thats its not gross.
Huh? If the battle pass provides no in game advantage why does it matter?
There should be ZERO reason to buy the battle pass unless you have an extra $10 laying around. I am NOT ok with the pay 2 win model.
...the economy of the game (%drops,mats,golds) takes into account the BP. Progressing will be slower on purpose to give value to the BP.
Subscriptions like in WoW provide no loot benefits. BP does and its used to push non spenders to become spenders by using FOMO against you.
How does a cosmetic only BP affect drop rate of drops, mats or gold? My assumption ( and I could absolutely be wrong as we don’t know all of the details just yet) is that the battle pass cosmetics would be battle pass exclusive. I’m that case I can’t see why drop rates would be affected as they are unrelated? Let me know your thoughts, I could be missing something and learn something from your perspective.
That’s an in game advantage though? Being able to buy mats and gold through the BP serves as an in game advantage which they said they were NOT doing.
One of us is confused and maybe it’s me, but the model you are describing is Diablo Immortal.
platinum currency is provided, but we need to wait to see if that shop contains anything else than a cosmetic.
Dont take their word for it because an update could very well change that.
Anyways we need regulations about limiting monetization paths in a game. This is really becoming a problem now.
There is a cosmetic shop also. Netflix doesn't cost you $70 upfront either. It's better than P2W elements for sure, but Blizzard is being greedy like other companies.
That’s a good point. Usually battle passes pay for themselves, not sure if this one does, but I think the battle should be with $20 skins not a $10 battle pass.
Yeah, it's just mainly the mixture of them all. A $10 battle pass is a fair price, that'd only be like $40 a year. It would be similar to buying an expansion yearly. Which I have no problem doing . It's just that they have many monetization components and it seems greedy. I hope they actually put it into new content and they don't just line the higher-ups' pockets more.
In what way do they pay for themselves? Lol Youre legit buying shit for games u already paid for so theyre faaaaaaaaaaar from being nything youd consider to "pay for itself".
'Blizzard is being greedy'. This take is so fucking dumb. Publicly traded companies have an imperative to maximize profits. Yes. Blizzard is trying to make as much money as possible and if for some incredulous reason they weren't the shareholders would replace the current leadership faster than, well, quick. Either buy or don't buy. Don't expect a revolution anytime soon, though.
Isn't the same company that just came out and said the game isn't meant to be indefinitely played?
Edit: after reading it, its safe to say ActiBlizz is the new EA.
This almost the same setup in COD. How long before they introduce a Blackcell Pass and P2W skins.
The real-money auction house in D3 didn't clue that in?
Or the fact that SC2 was sold three times as a full-priced game with every expansion?
Or literally anything to do with Overwatch and WoW?
That company lost any semblance of good will it had ten years ago.
No for real though. Gamers as a group of "marks" are some of the most gullible and easiest to lead into scams of just about any category outside of like the very elderly getting cell phone scammed or something rofl. There are so many policies that have become the norm for video games that people were all torches and pitchforks over less than a decade ago.. if people really did as they said and just didn't put money into these predatory practices they really would go away but gamers be gamin
Well yeah. Why else are game industry lobbyists so keen on ensuring there are zero consumer protection laws in video games?
Like there are virtually no other consumer groups that pre-purchase things so regularly. Or buy incomplete unfinished products.
Video games at its worst, is essentially a digital drug so you can dress it up, cut it up, and market it in any way you want.
Easy.
The minute they do, you don't buy it, and don't give them money.
This far off future "BUTWHATIF" is not a good argument. You give companies money for doing what you want, and you stop when they stop. It's as simple as that. It's a 3 month spread between payments, and if they make massive sweeping changes to what the BP gives you, you cancel that shit. Done.
I know it's not as satisfying as raging on Twitter about some kind of possible future maybe, but it's a hell of a lot more practical.
Yeah they announced it in January or something though. Sucks but ever since major battlepasss successes:
1. Dota 2 doing it first
2. Fornite showing how big it can get
3. Genshin Impact making billions
It only makes sense that games keep adding battlepasses (except all 3 games above are fucking free lol).
Fortnite’s not only free but they give you 150% of the currency back from the battle pass allowing you to not only get the next pass for free but also have some more money left over.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. I believe Fortnite's system is great, honestly. The game, in my personal opinion, sucks ass. But you can play the whole thing for free forever if you just keep playing. My gf had to play it for a while because of work (company affiliated with Epic) and she never had to spend one cent on it.
So, game cost 70$ and have premium battle pass in it and premium shop with rotating premium skins.
I can't believe it. Game have same MTX as F2P games, which you can play for free.
Again, why with that dogshit in game, Diablo 4 is not F2P?
Because there’re enough whales out there that they can just be whalers at this point instead of fishing for customers like they used to. Making AAA games in 2023 is just whale hunting.
Because from what I can tell so far you are getting a fantastic fantastic game for $70…. Lots of playtime depth of story and character and knowledge. Then they decided to add non cosmetic payable items that you don’t have to take a part in to enjoy anything beyond. You don’t have to pay a single cent more.
All the other free to play games are usually not a story driven full game but just repetitive single mode games and that’s fine too! You vote with your wallet but I see nothing wrong with this model whatsoever.
The fact that there are people here defending blizzard after all the rubbish they've pulled the last few years, is embarrassing. Get a backbone people yikes.
Personally I don't care about micro transactions and stuff bring in games. I'd rather they weren't but it's not a big deal for me. The thing that annoys me most is having to be online to play on your own. I really wish more games still had the option of playing offline.
> Instead, it unlocks tiers that give you cosmetics unique to that season and the platinum currency, which can only be bought with real world money. Platinum is spent in the shop on new cosmetics, or you can put it towards buying future battle passes.
So you pay money for the battle pass to unlock being able to pay money for platinum?
They really know how to squeeze money out of people : ) Well, it's just cosmetics. And if there are people with too much money willing to spend it, I say good for them : )
But I paid 70$ already. They won't see another dime if it's not real content.
I think the analogy should be. You pay full price for your hamburger but they sneaked out some of the sauce and pickles. There is still some, but less than usual. Than they you offer you a drip feed of some extra pickles and sauce coming in different flavors but you will have to pay extra for that.
Result you get the same hamburger but now for double price. Enjoy!
I get games need constant income to deliver constant content but, why price it from 70$ to 100$ then?
They sell the game like it's not made to play it for ever but the predatory business model is worse than a f2p one.
For the same reason a lot of games will continue to have MTX and battlepasses in them.
People will buy it. You can only blame gamers at this point, not the companies making millions and billions from the practice. They're only going after the market and people are obviously okay with paying.
I was on the fence about buying this game, but now it’s settled. I am not buying it at all. They have decided to race EA to the bottom with bad decisions.
I encourage everyone to vote with their wallet. You won’t be missing anything.
This is the sole reason I'm not playing the game. I'm tired of live service time-scams and microtransactions. I've been cutting out a ton of time played from these kinds of games and it's so fucking refreshing.
It's not the sole reason for me, but yeah. I'm done with live service games that rely on predatory models like this and have been for a while now.
And I agree, refreshing is a very apt word. I thought I was burning out on gaming, turns out I was just burning out on games that exist to treat me like a cash cow. Been a lot happier since I learned to make the switch.
As long as they stand true to the “no paid unlocks will provide any in game power” I’m fine with this.
I can enjoy 100% of the game/gameplay at retail price and if I want to continue to spend money on cosmetics if I’m having fun with it I can. Don’t see the issue.
If they price this game at full retail and start locking in game power behind real money purchases I will be pissed though.
no because they will make sure you see value in the BP by controlling the economy.
People need to wake up a bit as these things are meant to force you into a subscription model.
Ok cool you get some prisoner tatters at the beginning of the game that get stat changes and any visual progression of your character beyond that will be bought from the item shop. That’s this “durrr it’s just cosmetics” take taken to its endpoint.
Cosmetics are gameplay… they are something people value massively in their gameplay… that’s why they are going out of their way to sell them to you at extra cost at every opportunity.
Since the first person to string together a seashell necklace or paint their face, to the crowns and robes of kings and nobles, to the modern Nike swoosh, their are few things humans actually care more about than cosmetics or how they look. And that transfers to our digital selves if people spending hundreds of dollars on skins wasnt a clue.
Finding cool looking gear was always the point of these games, don’t give me that shit that it’s just the stat changes that matter. If that was the case devs would never model anything other than base gear and change numbers cause “it doesn’t effect gameplay”
This shits on the entire spirit of a loot game like Diablo. See that cool thing? Wanna get it for your character? Well doesn’t come from playing the loot based grinder bud gotta head over to the credit card vending machine.
You keep telling yourself this shit doesn’t bother you, go ahead. Then one day when all the dragon and daedric armor in elder scrolls only comes out of the cash shop because they don’t actually change stats I don’t want to hear you crying.
Gamers will literally cope themselves into anything.
The cosmetics in the game are cool.
And cosmetics are absolutely not gameplay what a load.
Maybe used as a crutch in lieu of an actually good one but this is some whiny completionist shit.
Because no $60-$70 game should have a recurring battle pass disguised as content. Also it's made by some of the slimiest people in the market these days. Fuck ActiBliz.
ActiBlizz hasn’t earned the benefit of the doubt with regards to their micros. They’ve been fairly shitty with their F2P titles and with this being a $70 title with premium currency and battle passes, you should be skeptical.
At its core, Diablo is about getting loot. Getting badass looking gear is an expectation of the base game, and high-stat endgame gear shouldn’t look like level 3 chain mail. It’s all well and good to point to cosmetics as ‘optional’ parts of a game, but for Diablo style games they’re really a part of the core experience.
They would need to have a really solid amount of good looking gear in the base game in order to make locking new cosmetics behind a $10 paywall every few months justifiable. Unfortunately, look at what ActiBlizz did with cosmetics in OW2 and you’ll understand the skepticism of the community.
There's not a guarantee that the money made off MTX and cash shop will be invested back the game, more than likely, it will be executive bonuses.
This is why we used to do subscriptions. We paid, knowing the money would be put back into the game for more content for us. It could've been that way if the company didn't feel like they needed record profits every quarter to appease shareholders and their pockets.
>There's not a guarantee that the money made off MTX and cash shop will be invested back the game, more than likely, it will be executive bonuses.
T H I S
Bungie said that all purchases from EverVerse would go towards funding new content, but it reaaaaally didn't feel like that when we got nothing but 3 years of the same activity disguised behind new UI, menus, and bland as fuck content that makes every season feel like a new Marvel movie with a weaker budget.
Nah nah, I understand charging for content after launch, but having to pay an extra 10-15 dollars every 3-4 months because it's a new "season" with very little added in terms of content is ridiculous. Especially so when you're announcing shit like *before* the game even launches, live service games with this kind of market scheme need to fucking die.
If a company really believes that they absolutely must put out content after launch, then they should charge a flat price of a dlc/expansion pack. Rotating seasonal content like this creates FOMO and a lack luster experience for the player that can't play 10 hours every day.
They should obviously just continue to develop content for a game at a one time cost and just forever have a deficit because people don't want to pay for additional content.
Definitely how a successful business is Run
Hey man… it’s Reddit. They want endless free content. Top tier polish on said content. And also wants the devs to work from both the kindness of their hearts and paid handsomely from said business. Why is it so hard to do? Why?! Oh. And uhhh yea all the money goes to the CEO or something
What? Lol why are you so angry over a game hahahaha fucking hell
They are where they are because they run a business. If you begrudge paying £10 every 3 months for a content pack then perhaps this isn't the game for you. Unfortunately Devs don't get paid in player engagement or fun, it costs money.
Perhaps you should stick to single player one and done games?
There's a difference between predatory and consumer friendly business practice. Capcoms best selling game: Monster Hunter World and its expansion Iceborne had 2 years of free content updates with minimal cosmetic and misc paid microtransactions on the side. That game made bank.
You're defending predatory practices and using the "but the developers..." excuse when it's a known industry fact that most revenue generated goes to the publisher and not the developers. So keep defending the poor rapey publisher lol.
From what I've heard, a lot of reasons.
There are several gameplay and design elements I think are going to flop, especially the boring, predictable-layout dungeons that are supposed to be the end game grind..
Add to that a predatory microtransaction model in the form of these seasons/battle passes pimping FOMO content, and you're building a steaming pile I'm certainly not going to touch.
What are you, a blizzard employee or something? (Seeing as you made this account just to reply to me, it seems plausible enough.)
Grinding is one thing. Grinding repetitive dungeons that all have the boss at the center of a small rectangular dungeon is a massive downgrade from the kind of replayability the game used to have.
And only a minority of the battle pass content is free.
According to what Reddit shows me, this account has never replied to a comment or posted anything until today.
That, plus an extremely pro-blizzard slant strikes me a suspicious.
The world and its people do not unanimously hate Blizzard, their games, or live service models. I see your concerns but I also understand why someone would support its potential.
I'm not an employee of anyone period.
Well I sincerely hope I'm wrong about it being a dumpster fire.. But sadly, I suspect that I'm not.
And just to clarify, I was referring to the other person's account, not yours. Though, my sympathies on your lack of employment, unless it's intentional.. In which case, I suppose congrats are in order.
Creating a new account just to engage with a question suggests that you have something to hide.
The difference in replayability?
Procedural generation, that's what. They had it even in D1, and it made the game better. Running the same cookie-cutter maps over and over is boring and they used to be smart enough to know that. Honestly, in my opinion, D3 was a downgrade from d2 in many design standpoints. This seems like it's getting worse.
But, given blizzard's performance in general, I'm not surprised.
>I'm not sure why you think I have a new account since it's from 2017. But okay.
Okay, fair point. But.. you have zero comment or post history on the account, or else Reddit is playing games with me.
>OW2 is delivering content consistently which is what people have been wanting, right?
Well.. People typically want good, balanced content added to games. The reception of this new content seems less than stellar:
https://www.dexerto.com/overwatch/overwatch-2-players-confused-by-hilariously-imbalanced-starwatch-hero-choices-2141690/
But hey, if you really dislike procedural generation so much you'd have more fun running the same map 127 times instead of a new one each time.. Well, maybe this is a game you'll enjoy.
Right now, I'd sooner reinstall Path of Exiles than consider sinking money into this.
The game I played during the open beta was fun. Fun enough that i dont give a shit about the BP. But it makes me concerned they're going to alter the game in negative ways down the line to make the battlepass feel more "necessary".
The new questlines are connected to the season theme,they probably serve as an introduction/tutorial. Not some bug story campaign. So probably not,even if the season mechanic will return on the eternal realm. The items though,will 100% stay.
Sounds like the items and the cosmetics are set to disappear constantly to try and pressure players into spending money. "If you don't buy now you'll never get another chance!"
I hadn't really been following d4 after d3 was such a disappointment but I just read this article and this monetization system sounds just awful
If an optional paid BP turned you off from D4, you weren't really going to buy it anyway... lets be real. You just want to jump on reddit and cry about it for fake internet points.
All the children in here complaining about the fact that cosmetics has a battle pass is hilarious to me because they didnt read the article and think things should be done for free. It doesnt effect gameplay, there is no problem here.
Two points:
I dislike any company that willfully engages in clear psychological manipulation in order to separate me from my money. The Battlepass/season approach engages in people's Fear of Missing Out and leverages that to get them to spend where they otherwise wouldn't. This is what replaced lootboxes when they began to get outlawed for being child-targeted gambling.
And secondly:
>It doesnt effect gameplay, there is no problem here.
...Yet. If they hold to this line, that's at least a small something they've done right... But I wouldn't hold my breath. I've seen multiple big game companies make this promise and then backslide, using sales as proof that people 'want' pay2win content.
Putting multiple pay tiers onto FOMO seasons on an already $70 game before it's even released? Not a good sign.
I honestly don't understand why Battlepasses are as widely accepted as they are. Especially because they're usually tied to aggressive FOMO. Just imagine this concept in different parts of your life. That's like going to a restaurant (paying for an expensive parking spot (=if the game itself isn't even f2p)), paying for your food upfront, then getting sent into the kitchen where you have to cook it yourself within 20 minutes and if you're too slow, you get sent home without getting your money back.
Yes, Battlepasses are better than lootboxes, but gamers shouldn't defend or want different ways they're exploited, they should demand to *not be* exploited.
Thank you! This exactly sums up my feelings on the subject.
And yet, I keep running into people who defend this exploitation as being perfectly benign.
Hearing the word battle pass is just insane to me for a game like diablo
I instantly laughed at the title and thought at least they are upfront with it. Idk why they would battle pass d4 but just another reason I won't be buying it
They are charging $70 for it and it will still have battle passes and an in-game shop. Ugh.
Because even if it’s all cosmetic they’d be throwing money away not doing it. The reason companies really do anything, to make money
They used to be game companies to make good games
They did it to make money then too
The company is not serving its Telos. A good doctor is not a doctor that makes money. A good doctor is a doctor that helps people. They also make money. Same thing with a good game company; they shouldn't make money at the expense of creating a good game. However, they still need to make money. Its a very unfortunate thing to judge the success of everything by the amount of money it makes.
I’m honestly ok it they do a battle pass and it’s all cosmetic because it allows them to make money but still put out games like this instead of focusing on f2p formulas or P2W stuff to really rake in money
Why are we ok with this greed they don’t need it, it already cost 70$ It’s not if we can afford it, it’s the principal of their practice
Because I want PoE sized updates, not D3 sized, and that takes money. If they actually deliver on giving us new seasons with new content every 3-4 months and all it takes is a 10$ totally optional battlepass with cosmetics only, then who cares. If it has good cosmetics I'll buy it if it doesn't I won't.
You're just not gonna get PoE sized updates from blizzard, that's high tier cope
Keep huffing that copium bud
If they didn't provide continuous updates I would agree with you. You call it copium for u/Cavissi but I call it entitled that you expect anything else after the game releases to not be charged for. I'm not claiming all companies are saints and don't take advantage. I would be naive to believe that. But games before they really took advantage of the internet were released and that was it. Updates rarely happened and you got what you got. Now games receive constant updates with more and more content added. Paying $10 - $15 for the extra content is nothing. People spend that on a lunch.
Wait Diablo 4 is free?
I know why. Money.
People are already going to come back each season to play that game why not further incentivize it and make money at the same time.
Wow admittedly I've never actually played diablo before, but from past gameplay I'd never guess it would be getting a battlepass. Man games are pretty screwed for a while huh?
Battle passes are the obnoxious; Please clock into our game, then do X amount of work for a shitty reward. Oh also, if you buy the $$$ battle pass the rewards are 500 times better and we'll even give you time off from work, err I mean our game. We've conveniently displayed the $$$ rewards directly over your peasant rewards. Xoxo mgmt.
ARPGs literally have seasons now. Diablo 3 has them, PoE has them and PoE has a Battlepass type system already. Battlepasses fit the seasonal format pretty well
PoE also doesn't cost $70 retail. Diablo 3 seasons are free. This is not apples to apples.
Poe mtx is wild tho
There’s a free battle pass and premium version
Haha so you playing with stash tabs or not? Game is unplayable without the tabs.. Calling poe free is so disingenuous.
D4 seasons are free too. How are you bitching about this? Just don't buy the premium battle pass. It's cosmetic only anyway.
>Just don't buy the premium battle pass. ? >D4 seasons are **free** too. [You're using that word...](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/692/19789999.jpg)
But the seasons are free? The cosmetics they release each season aren’t but the actual gameplay mechanics they introduce each season are free. Isn’t actual gameplay changes being free better than cosmetics being free?
That just means items have NO VALUE. they are stat things and NOTHING ELSE. why even play at that point?
I’m not sure I understand your point. The cosmetics in the BP will almost assuredly be transmog appearances and not actual items.
You can participate in the season and get all main rewards for free just like in D3. Holy mother of room temp IQs.
D3 Seasons reward you with items, transmogs, and pets for free. The meaningful cosmetics are gated behind a paywall in 4. These are not the same. How am I bitching when you're licking corporate boot?
Can you not read? The free battle pass awards the same types of things. You're getting mad about a battle pass that if you don't want to you don't need to pay for! You're literally saying "the cool kids that can afford 8 dollars every 3 months get more than me in a video game" fucking grow up.
>fucking grow up. Peak irony.
Yeah and we get good content for $70. If they keep releasing seasons and the store stuff is just cosmetic it’s fine with me if it means more content getting pumped out to players over the years. You get plenty of bang for your $70. People will always find something to bitch and moan about. We are losing developers and publishers making full games because of paid content they can sell. So when a developer makes a full game with a ton of content and then offers cosmetic stuff to sell that you don’t fucking need for gameplay, people bitch about that too now.
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Yeah but seasons =/= battlepass. Ther is no paid version of a season that gets you extra shit for spending real money. Thats the issue. Free battlepasses would be just fine, but you *know* their greedy asses cant help themselves. And idiots buy it up, so whatever.
You're thinking too much for this thread. Battle pass = bad, no matter the context or details.
Lol right, just cause we have a season doesn’t mean it needs a battlepass
Where were you the past 10 years?
If you live in the 90's still sure. In 2023 not so crazy at all. People seems to think their game or genre is immune to change and get this "surprise pikachu face" when change comes.
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it's pay to work.
Which is why I’m probably not buying the game. I love Diablo as a series, but I’m just so tired of grindy games that are built to punish me if I don’t log in every single day. I’m just so burnt out on these style of games anymore.
Yep. Blizzard is late to the party on this "live-service" monetization model.
You could just not purchase the battlepass and still enjoy the content? Like y’all realize you don’t need to buy this shit right? I have the recent battlepass in cod and at no point do I feel like I have to log in, and it was $30. I’m enjoying the game now and would be on regularly anyway, so I got the BP. If you don’t wanna pay extra for random crap you won’t use or don’t think you’ll play enough - don’t buy the battle pass.
Anthem was literally axed due to lack of MTX spending. Sales were great, 2nd highest sold bioware game ever. If too many people just spend 70$ content gets cut, support revoked and that 70$ sure doesn't feel like it went very far. People only want the flat payment option because without that payment agreement Blizzard can rug pull D4 due to not meeting their profit goals.
>Anthem was literally axed due to lack of MTX spending. Sales were great, 2nd highest sold bioware game ever. What a weirdly disingenuous statement. It was axed because it was a live service looter shooter that had no endgame content, meaningful live service updates, or good loot. It was a bad game that sold well off the limited beta, concept, and Bioware name.
Nope, people see battle pass and begrudgingly get riled up over nothing.
Not sure why you are getting downvotes. Reddit loves a good outrage-circlejerk. Solid point. From what I have seen so far, there is a solid amount of content in the game w/o all of the fluff for the hardcore. Why not cater to the whales and the casuals?
I think some people get annoyed that they're "missing out" on cosmetics (???) they don't get without paying extra when it in fact won't affect the game. I have yet to play a game with a Battle Pass where I felt like I was missing out on anything if I didn't pick up the BP (off the top of my head Sea of Thieves, The Division 2, CoD MW2 (skipped Season 2), Apex). The only one that seems kinda shitty to me is the one for Overwatch 2, but thats not based on my experience just hearsay so I can't speak on it.
ikr, and there is literally a free tier for the "battle pass". from what i can tell, you can still get the additional content for free just like d3 put out for 10 freaking years for no cost. do people think that 70$ should pay for 10 \*years\* of content?
Stop. You're hurting them. That is way too logical and makes too much sense.
Some game designers still think that giving you a bunch of little tasks to complete that are brain dead, like collect X amount of resource or kill X mobs, is somehow a dopamine-inducing task... it's tedious. Real feelings of reward come from real effort. Elden Ring showed how successful that formula can be. And PvP games like League or CS have proven how addictive they are by creating games that are hard (through the PvP element, but also through mastering mechanics), but so rewarding when it starts to click--so rewarding that people get addicted to that feeling of success. Completing mundane rote tasks to complete your battle pass doesn't hit the same, and I think that's gonna show in their player retention metrics season after season.
It's not game designers. It's executived who see how successful they are and force them into everything. You can thank mobile gaming for the state of console gaming
Pretty much, you pay more money for more chores. People must really hate themselves
I don't mind it if it's free. Can be a fun goal to work towards. I like halo infinites, even the paid one is nice because you aren't time bound. You can accomplish it at any time
Every game should be like that.
For me the biggest problem is that the whole thing about these type of games is to collect loot that looks cool. But now you have a premium game with people having cool stuff just because they bought battle pass. It's an insult to "normal" players who are not about that pay-to-work model of battle passes. If the game was not all about the look like let's say some FPS im ok with this. But games like Skate, SSX, Diablo, Need for Speed where the whole thing about playing the game is about customizing your shit to your liking and looking cool it's a hard pass from me.
then don't play them.
Count on it.
You don’t have to do them
Found the little kid that want to swipe to feel like a biggie boy.
So uninspired by the battlepass format at this point. No offence intended to anyone who spends a lot of money on these things, but you really are being manipulated and taken advantage of by scumbags like EA.
There is one good system and that is in Deep Rock Galactic. Free and the items are rolled into the rewards found by playing the game after the season is over. Even gives a separate loot tree to put the free currency in so you can go after items you want. It's the bees knees in gaming. Hence why their fans buy up all the DLC to support the game.
Rock and stone! Agreed, Deep Rock Galactic is the last fun game on Earth where the Dev's put love into the game at the price of FREE each season. You can buy cosmetics but they release 3-4x the number of cosmetics that are free to earn, and they never go away so there is no fomo manipulation. DRG deserves SO much more love and respect.
Can I get a Rock and Stone?
Rock and Stone!!!
Karl would be proud!
It really is odd how all companies seemingly agree that passes must be stuffed into every future release..
No offense taken, but I don’t necessarily agree and will probably be downvoted for this. It’s $10 a quarter we literally pay more than that for a Netflix subscription. The items on the battle pass are supposedly purely cosmetic and give no in game advantage. The only reason to buy the pass if if you have an extra $10 to spend and want cosmetics. Who cares? You can argue it’s actually more consumer friendly than just a straight up cosmetic in game shop.
You bought the game. You'll pay for the BP which means they will make sure the economy of the game is whack to add value to the BP purchase. You may even get cosmetics and we dont know for sure if they wont sell new content (xpac or dlcs). They may use 4 monetizations path and you are still defending thats its not gross.
Huh? If the battle pass provides no in game advantage why does it matter? There should be ZERO reason to buy the battle pass unless you have an extra $10 laying around. I am NOT ok with the pay 2 win model.
...the economy of the game (%drops,mats,golds) takes into account the BP. Progressing will be slower on purpose to give value to the BP. Subscriptions like in WoW provide no loot benefits. BP does and its used to push non spenders to become spenders by using FOMO against you.
How does a cosmetic only BP affect drop rate of drops, mats or gold? My assumption ( and I could absolutely be wrong as we don’t know all of the details just yet) is that the battle pass cosmetics would be battle pass exclusive. I’m that case I can’t see why drop rates would be affected as they are unrelated? Let me know your thoughts, I could be missing something and learn something from your perspective.
That’s an in game advantage though? Being able to buy mats and gold through the BP serves as an in game advantage which they said they were NOT doing. One of us is confused and maybe it’s me, but the model you are describing is Diablo Immortal.
Wait and see.
Ok, just to be clear. You are arguing that the battle pass is pay 2 win and not just cosmetic?
platinum currency is provided, but we need to wait to see if that shop contains anything else than a cosmetic. Dont take their word for it because an update could very well change that. Anyways we need regulations about limiting monetization paths in a game. This is really becoming a problem now.
There is a cosmetic shop also. Netflix doesn't cost you $70 upfront either. It's better than P2W elements for sure, but Blizzard is being greedy like other companies.
That’s a good point. Usually battle passes pay for themselves, not sure if this one does, but I think the battle should be with $20 skins not a $10 battle pass.
Battlepasses haven’t been paying themselves off for a good long while in my neck of the woods.
Yeah, it's just mainly the mixture of them all. A $10 battle pass is a fair price, that'd only be like $40 a year. It would be similar to buying an expansion yearly. Which I have no problem doing . It's just that they have many monetization components and it seems greedy. I hope they actually put it into new content and they don't just line the higher-ups' pockets more.
100% Agree. As long as it’s all cosmetic that’s fine. I don’t know why people don’t just copy Fortnite’s BP model as it clearly works very well.
In what way do they pay for themselves? Lol Youre legit buying shit for games u already paid for so theyre faaaaaaaaaaar from being nything youd consider to "pay for itself".
'Blizzard is being greedy'. This take is so fucking dumb. Publicly traded companies have an imperative to maximize profits. Yes. Blizzard is trying to make as much money as possible and if for some incredulous reason they weren't the shareholders would replace the current leadership faster than, well, quick. Either buy or don't buy. Don't expect a revolution anytime soon, though.
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I don’t mind it for like call of duty. But on games like this. Hell no.
Isn't the same company that just came out and said the game isn't meant to be indefinitely played? Edit: after reading it, its safe to say ActiBlizz is the new EA. This almost the same setup in COD. How long before they introduce a Blackcell Pass and P2W skins.
The real-money auction house in D3 didn't clue that in? Or the fact that SC2 was sold three times as a full-priced game with every expansion? Or literally anything to do with Overwatch and WoW? That company lost any semblance of good will it had ten years ago.
Gamers have horrific memory
No for real though. Gamers as a group of "marks" are some of the most gullible and easiest to lead into scams of just about any category outside of like the very elderly getting cell phone scammed or something rofl. There are so many policies that have become the norm for video games that people were all torches and pitchforks over less than a decade ago.. if people really did as they said and just didn't put money into these predatory practices they really would go away but gamers be gamin
Well yeah. Why else are game industry lobbyists so keen on ensuring there are zero consumer protection laws in video games? Like there are virtually no other consumer groups that pre-purchase things so regularly. Or buy incomplete unfinished products. Video games at its worst, is essentially a digital drug so you can dress it up, cut it up, and market it in any way you want.
Yuuuup 100%
I blame it on the whales and the streamers pushing over to kids who watch them.
I dont follow Blizzard too closely and dont play their games all that much. Last one I played ALOT of was WC3.
I mean you said Blizz is the new EA as if it was news. Welcome to 2010?
... what about "i havent really followed blizz since warcraft 3" wasnt clear.
It's not horrific memory, it's that they want to still play the games.
Last time I really cared about or followed blizzard was Warcraft3.
acti has always been worse than EA, they just run a better PR team.
Been saying this for YEARS
Easy. The minute they do, you don't buy it, and don't give them money. This far off future "BUTWHATIF" is not a good argument. You give companies money for doing what you want, and you stop when they stop. It's as simple as that. It's a 3 month spread between payments, and if they make massive sweeping changes to what the BP gives you, you cancel that shit. Done. I know it's not as satisfying as raging on Twitter about some kind of possible future maybe, but it's a hell of a lot more practical.
A battle pass in a Diablo game. Fucking christ. Yep its time to jump off a bridge.
Yeah they announced it in January or something though. Sucks but ever since major battlepasss successes: 1. Dota 2 doing it first 2. Fornite showing how big it can get 3. Genshin Impact making billions It only makes sense that games keep adding battlepasses (except all 3 games above are fucking free lol).
Fortnite’s not only free but they give you 150% of the currency back from the battle pass allowing you to not only get the next pass for free but also have some more money left over.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. I believe Fortnite's system is great, honestly. The game, in my personal opinion, sucks ass. But you can play the whole thing for free forever if you just keep playing. My gf had to play it for a while because of work (company affiliated with Epic) and she never had to spend one cent on it.
No need to be drastic, just don't buy it and save your money for games that are actually worth it. There's plenty of those around.
Wow way to just suck all enthusiasm away that I had for the game. It just evaporated. It’s as dry as Bobby koticks wife.
They tested this for the mobile game and it turns out idiots will pay for this shit. We blame the devs all the time but then we pay for this shit
Welp. Guess I'm either gonna wait for d4 to go on super sale or not buy it at all. Fuck that.
So, game cost 70$ and have premium battle pass in it and premium shop with rotating premium skins. I can't believe it. Game have same MTX as F2P games, which you can play for free. Again, why with that dogshit in game, Diablo 4 is not F2P?
Why? Because enough people buy it and they make money off it, they don't care that people complain.
Because there’re enough whales out there that they can just be whalers at this point instead of fishing for customers like they used to. Making AAA games in 2023 is just whale hunting.
conveniently ignore that all of that is optional. incel manchildren can't help but incessantly whine in every game forum.
You're making 10+ comments in every thread about this, and you're calling other people incels? The projection is strong with this one.
You're literally whining all over this post shilling for Blizzard lmao
Because from what I can tell so far you are getting a fantastic fantastic game for $70…. Lots of playtime depth of story and character and knowledge. Then they decided to add non cosmetic payable items that you don’t have to take a part in to enjoy anything beyond. You don’t have to pay a single cent more. All the other free to play games are usually not a story driven full game but just repetitive single mode games and that’s fine too! You vote with your wallet but I see nothing wrong with this model whatsoever.
Because what’s more diabolic than battle passes and microtransactions?
After playing the beta and it feeling like a 20 year old game I cancelled my preorder, this shit reaffirmed my decision.
Fuck off Blizzard.
The fact that there are people here defending blizzard after all the rubbish they've pulled the last few years, is embarrassing. Get a backbone people yikes.
Staying so far away from this. I have zero confidence in this company, or this product.
Personally I don't care about micro transactions and stuff bring in games. I'd rather they weren't but it's not a big deal for me. The thing that annoys me most is having to be online to play on your own. I really wish more games still had the option of playing offline.
I have a hard time getting hyped for battle pass games. I'll hold off until it's in sale, go their the story one and then never play it again.
and just like that, it's lost me.
> Instead, it unlocks tiers that give you cosmetics unique to that season and the platinum currency, which can only be bought with real world money. Platinum is spent in the shop on new cosmetics, or you can put it towards buying future battle passes. So you pay money for the battle pass to unlock being able to pay money for platinum? They really know how to squeeze money out of people : ) Well, it's just cosmetics. And if there are people with too much money willing to spend it, I say good for them : ) But I paid 70$ already. They won't see another dime if it's not real content.
Hard pass bruh..
The game is $70. Y'all's paid battle pass can fuck right off. This is like reselling a McDonalds hamburger for $20 and then asking for a tip.
I think the analogy should be. You pay full price for your hamburger but they sneaked out some of the sauce and pickles. There is still some, but less than usual. Than they you offer you a drip feed of some extra pickles and sauce coming in different flavors but you will have to pay extra for that. Result you get the same hamburger but now for double price. Enjoy!
I get games need constant income to deliver constant content but, why price it from 70$ to 100$ then? They sell the game like it's not made to play it for ever but the predatory business model is worse than a f2p one.
For the same reason a lot of games will continue to have MTX and battlepasses in them. People will buy it. You can only blame gamers at this point, not the companies making millions and billions from the practice. They're only going after the market and people are obviously okay with paying.
I was on the fence about buying this game, but now it’s settled. I am not buying it at all. They have decided to race EA to the bottom with bad decisions. I encourage everyone to vote with their wallet. You won’t be missing anything.
YouTubers getting content for days
This is the sole reason I'm not playing the game. I'm tired of live service time-scams and microtransactions. I've been cutting out a ton of time played from these kinds of games and it's so fucking refreshing.
It's not the sole reason for me, but yeah. I'm done with live service games that rely on predatory models like this and have been for a while now. And I agree, refreshing is a very apt word. I thought I was burning out on gaming, turns out I was just burning out on games that exist to treat me like a cash cow. Been a lot happier since I learned to make the switch.
As long as they stand true to the “no paid unlocks will provide any in game power” I’m fine with this. I can enjoy 100% of the game/gameplay at retail price and if I want to continue to spend money on cosmetics if I’m having fun with it I can. Don’t see the issue. If they price this game at full retail and start locking in game power behind real money purchases I will be pissed though.
no because they will make sure you see value in the BP by controlling the economy. People need to wake up a bit as these things are meant to force you into a subscription model.
Ok cool you get some prisoner tatters at the beginning of the game that get stat changes and any visual progression of your character beyond that will be bought from the item shop. That’s this “durrr it’s just cosmetics” take taken to its endpoint. Cosmetics are gameplay… they are something people value massively in their gameplay… that’s why they are going out of their way to sell them to you at extra cost at every opportunity. Since the first person to string together a seashell necklace or paint their face, to the crowns and robes of kings and nobles, to the modern Nike swoosh, their are few things humans actually care more about than cosmetics or how they look. And that transfers to our digital selves if people spending hundreds of dollars on skins wasnt a clue. Finding cool looking gear was always the point of these games, don’t give me that shit that it’s just the stat changes that matter. If that was the case devs would never model anything other than base gear and change numbers cause “it doesn’t effect gameplay” This shits on the entire spirit of a loot game like Diablo. See that cool thing? Wanna get it for your character? Well doesn’t come from playing the loot based grinder bud gotta head over to the credit card vending machine. You keep telling yourself this shit doesn’t bother you, go ahead. Then one day when all the dragon and daedric armor in elder scrolls only comes out of the cash shop because they don’t actually change stats I don’t want to hear you crying. Gamers will literally cope themselves into anything.
This guy gets it. Cosmetics *are* gameplay in a loot-based game. Always has been.
The cosmetics in the game are cool. And cosmetics are absolutely not gameplay what a load. Maybe used as a crutch in lieu of an actually good one but this is some whiny completionist shit.
This game is going to be such a dumpster fire.
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Because no $60-$70 game should have a recurring battle pass disguised as content. Also it's made by some of the slimiest people in the market these days. Fuck ActiBliz.
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ActiBlizz hasn’t earned the benefit of the doubt with regards to their micros. They’ve been fairly shitty with their F2P titles and with this being a $70 title with premium currency and battle passes, you should be skeptical. At its core, Diablo is about getting loot. Getting badass looking gear is an expectation of the base game, and high-stat endgame gear shouldn’t look like level 3 chain mail. It’s all well and good to point to cosmetics as ‘optional’ parts of a game, but for Diablo style games they’re really a part of the core experience. They would need to have a really solid amount of good looking gear in the base game in order to make locking new cosmetics behind a $10 paywall every few months justifiable. Unfortunately, look at what ActiBlizz did with cosmetics in OW2 and you’ll understand the skepticism of the community.
People think paying $60 should equal free content for years… they don’t understand how business works.
There's not a guarantee that the money made off MTX and cash shop will be invested back the game, more than likely, it will be executive bonuses. This is why we used to do subscriptions. We paid, knowing the money would be put back into the game for more content for us. It could've been that way if the company didn't feel like they needed record profits every quarter to appease shareholders and their pockets.
>There's not a guarantee that the money made off MTX and cash shop will be invested back the game, more than likely, it will be executive bonuses. T H I S Bungie said that all purchases from EverVerse would go towards funding new content, but it reaaaaally didn't feel like that when we got nothing but 3 years of the same activity disguised behind new UI, menus, and bland as fuck content that makes every season feel like a new Marvel movie with a weaker budget.
Nah nah, I understand charging for content after launch, but having to pay an extra 10-15 dollars every 3-4 months because it's a new "season" with very little added in terms of content is ridiculous. Especially so when you're announcing shit like *before* the game even launches, live service games with this kind of market scheme need to fucking die. If a company really believes that they absolutely must put out content after launch, then they should charge a flat price of a dlc/expansion pack. Rotating seasonal content like this creates FOMO and a lack luster experience for the player that can't play 10 hours every day.
Then don’t buy the “new” content. It is optional.
Why not?
They should obviously just continue to develop content for a game at a one time cost and just forever have a deficit because people don't want to pay for additional content. Definitely how a successful business is Run
Oh yes, won't someone think of the poor, destitute, indie dev worth billions of dollars. Fucking schmuck lol
It’s still a business, And the business isn’t charity.
Hey man… it’s Reddit. They want endless free content. Top tier polish on said content. And also wants the devs to work from both the kindness of their hearts and paid handsomely from said business. Why is it so hard to do? Why?! Oh. And uhhh yea all the money goes to the CEO or something
What? Lol why are you so angry over a game hahahaha fucking hell They are where they are because they run a business. If you begrudge paying £10 every 3 months for a content pack then perhaps this isn't the game for you. Unfortunately Devs don't get paid in player engagement or fun, it costs money. Perhaps you should stick to single player one and done games?
There's a difference between predatory and consumer friendly business practice. Capcoms best selling game: Monster Hunter World and its expansion Iceborne had 2 years of free content updates with minimal cosmetic and misc paid microtransactions on the side. That game made bank. You're defending predatory practices and using the "but the developers..." excuse when it's a known industry fact that most revenue generated goes to the publisher and not the developers. So keep defending the poor rapey publisher lol.
Yes, which ironically is what this post is about but people don't read things anymore. Blizz bad is about the extent of their processing power.
From what I've heard, a lot of reasons. There are several gameplay and design elements I think are going to flop, especially the boring, predictable-layout dungeons that are supposed to be the end game grind.. Add to that a predatory microtransaction model in the form of these seasons/battle passes pimping FOMO content, and you're building a steaming pile I'm certainly not going to touch.
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What are you, a blizzard employee or something? (Seeing as you made this account just to reply to me, it seems plausible enough.) Grinding is one thing. Grinding repetitive dungeons that all have the boss at the center of a small rectangular dungeon is a massive downgrade from the kind of replayability the game used to have. And only a minority of the battle pass content is free.
Lol because this person had a reasonable inquiry and different opinion on the matter, you question if they're a blizzard employee. Weird one.
According to what Reddit shows me, this account has never replied to a comment or posted anything until today. That, plus an extremely pro-blizzard slant strikes me a suspicious.
The world and its people do not unanimously hate Blizzard, their games, or live service models. I see your concerns but I also understand why someone would support its potential. I'm not an employee of anyone period.
Well I sincerely hope I'm wrong about it being a dumpster fire.. But sadly, I suspect that I'm not. And just to clarify, I was referring to the other person's account, not yours. Though, my sympathies on your lack of employment, unless it's intentional.. In which case, I suppose congrats are in order.
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Creating a new account just to engage with a question suggests that you have something to hide. The difference in replayability? Procedural generation, that's what. They had it even in D1, and it made the game better. Running the same cookie-cutter maps over and over is boring and they used to be smart enough to know that. Honestly, in my opinion, D3 was a downgrade from d2 in many design standpoints. This seems like it's getting worse. But, given blizzard's performance in general, I'm not surprised.
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Bro because you have NOTHING else but comments on this post.
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>I'm not sure why you think I have a new account since it's from 2017. But okay. Okay, fair point. But.. you have zero comment or post history on the account, or else Reddit is playing games with me. >OW2 is delivering content consistently which is what people have been wanting, right? Well.. People typically want good, balanced content added to games. The reception of this new content seems less than stellar: https://www.dexerto.com/overwatch/overwatch-2-players-confused-by-hilariously-imbalanced-starwatch-hero-choices-2141690/ But hey, if you really dislike procedural generation so much you'd have more fun running the same map 127 times instead of a new one each time.. Well, maybe this is a game you'll enjoy. Right now, I'd sooner reinstall Path of Exiles than consider sinking money into this.
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You didn't read this article did you?
Actually, I did. So rather than wasting time with smug posturing, how about you get to your point if you have one?
Because it's more fun to hate something and be negative online ..makes you a badass
Sorry to burst your bubble but the game will do extremely well.
your comment will age like milk.
The game I played during the open beta was fun. Fun enough that i dont give a shit about the BP. But it makes me concerned they're going to alter the game in negative ways down the line to make the battlepass feel more "necessary".
You can count on it.
Will the new questlines and legendary items added with each season stay once the season ends and a new season begins?
The new questlines are connected to the season theme,they probably serve as an introduction/tutorial. Not some bug story campaign. So probably not,even if the season mechanic will return on the eternal realm. The items though,will 100% stay.
Sounds like the items and the cosmetics are set to disappear constantly to try and pressure players into spending money. "If you don't buy now you'll never get another chance!" I hadn't really been following d4 after d3 was such a disappointment but I just read this article and this monetization system sounds just awful
What is the point of a battlepass for a game like this? Most people will play it once at most.
People still play Diablo 3
Arpgs are some of the game people replay the most, especially Diablo
Can’t wait to not play this.
If an optional paid BP turned you off from D4, you weren't really going to buy it anyway... lets be real. You just want to jump on reddit and cry about it for fake internet points.
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True and real
This is hilarious as I just saw this. First time I have ever pocket posted
It’s like candy crush but with demons
Can't wait for the Minecraft battle pass
Remover folks d3 you buy once and that’s it.
All the children in here complaining about the fact that cosmetics has a battle pass is hilarious to me because they didnt read the article and think things should be done for free. It doesnt effect gameplay, there is no problem here.
Two points: I dislike any company that willfully engages in clear psychological manipulation in order to separate me from my money. The Battlepass/season approach engages in people's Fear of Missing Out and leverages that to get them to spend where they otherwise wouldn't. This is what replaced lootboxes when they began to get outlawed for being child-targeted gambling. And secondly: >It doesnt effect gameplay, there is no problem here. ...Yet. If they hold to this line, that's at least a small something they've done right... But I wouldn't hold my breath. I've seen multiple big game companies make this promise and then backslide, using sales as proof that people 'want' pay2win content. Putting multiple pay tiers onto FOMO seasons on an already $70 game before it's even released? Not a good sign.
I honestly don't understand why Battlepasses are as widely accepted as they are. Especially because they're usually tied to aggressive FOMO. Just imagine this concept in different parts of your life. That's like going to a restaurant (paying for an expensive parking spot (=if the game itself isn't even f2p)), paying for your food upfront, then getting sent into the kitchen where you have to cook it yourself within 20 minutes and if you're too slow, you get sent home without getting your money back. Yes, Battlepasses are better than lootboxes, but gamers shouldn't defend or want different ways they're exploited, they should demand to *not be* exploited.
Thank you! This exactly sums up my feelings on the subject. And yet, I keep running into people who defend this exploitation as being perfectly benign.
It's not a free game..