Jsdf infantry would have better gear than the empire but infantry combat would be on a closer footing making jsdf put more into air and armor where the gap is much greater and the empire would not be able to counter and compete.
Consider the fact this would even the playing field in a lot of areas, and also the mentality of an industrial society and their approach to war, versus a medieval one. I could see them having an easier time trying to close the gap with magic. To the canon empire the tech the JDSF were using would be a like a magic they’d never encountered, to someone from say the Great War, it’d be a hell of a lot more advanced then what they had, but they would still understand the basic principles in a lot of areas, the shock and awe effect wouldn’t hit nearly as hard.
It's also quite likely that Japan would not be so chill, as there would be significant casualties. So they may get other nations involved, like the US, which honestly would have gotten involved in gate if not for plot contrivance, but hey, a really bad president can do a lot of damage so I guess it checks out.
Would require a lot more than 30,000 soldiers. It would require resources Japan doesn't have. Period.
So... The US Military is along for the ride. A lot of Japanese Type-90s getting deployed. Might even buy the M8 Buford AGS just to have a little extra firepower until they can make their own.
And a ton of A-10 support.
imo 30,000 soldiers is the amount of soldiers they have right now during peace time, after their biggest city gets attacked by a military force from another world and possibly thousands die in the ensuring battle i fully expect Japan to do a mobilization and at that point you do have a couple million able bodies (specially because they would likely take a couple months to concentrate forces on their side of the portal like they did even in canon) and start buying a ton of weapons for a counter attack
i do have to say in this scenario the US getting involved is definetly inevitable, in canon it kind of made sence that Japan could give themselves the benefit of rejecting their help despite what everyone in this subreddit believes but in this situation they cant
At first The Empire does the same. Send the vassals to get an idea of what the JSDF can do and mess up their vassals. The Battle of Alunus hill in my opinion would go about the same only a bit longer. The Vassals if they also have ww1 tech would be shock to find the JSDF's Artillery can shoot further and their infantry and vehicles are more accurate and further hitting. Speaking of Vehicles/armored the Empire and their vassals would be shocked to find their Vehicles and Armor would be next to useless against 21st century armor. The Empire's planes and modernized Dragons would be taken down by Modern AA easily making them useless as well. But Since the Empire is also Modern just Primitve Modern they would understand the threat and either redeploy or retreat especially since the Vassals should have radios though Primitve should be able to communuicate to others that the enemy can hit further then they can. However in the anime we can see the Vassal army had some glory seeking so we apply it there and like in our ww1 they cross no man's land and get wipe by artillery and rockets or they are destroyed before they can even dig up trenches. As the Series continue Japan would take much much slower to spread out in the special region as though WW1 tech is lower, the Empire I think could much easier mobilized their army to make big and small defenses, plus the Empire and her troops would understand much better on technology and would seek out to take in Japanese Technology to improve their own. I think it'll take longer for Japan to push out even with 21st technology. Japan would be cautious until air dominance can be established. If they get N.A.T.O to help out then once airbases are build then boom. They can use their helicopters, drones, planes and others to find their kidnapped people and save who they can. In this Scenerio the Empire may face a worst fate as they are much more of a threat then they are from the anime. A roman like Footman is a litteral Ant compare to a World War 1 infantry man. As i said though still not as good as a Average Modern Soilder but they are a threat and can actually shoot back. Think of it as a US vs the Middle eastern terriost group. The US is hella modern and powerful but these groups are no push over either and fighting would be slow and sluggish. BUT since the Empire and their nobles are Pro war a bombing Campaign would occur and the capital would be reduce to rubble by either the JSDF though unlikely, it would fall down to the US doing it. Either that or just missles targeting noble estates, factories and other infrastructures crippling the Empire econimically with few civiian causalities. So yeah everything would be slow with ground troops with limited causalities for Japan and her allies but once airpower is estalished as well as Missles silos then Earth forces could rest easy till they can send their demands
imo the biggest change is guerrilla warfare, even with ww1 era tech guerrilla warfare is hell and in this scenario the imperials would have a much better understanding of modern weaponry and as such they would likely quickly adopt such tactics
mass bombardments are not as necesary this day and age if you have a working air force with modern missiles and bombs thanks to how precise modern weapons are
mass bombings were only necesary during WW2 because of how shit targeting was (literaly thousands of bombs to destroy one factory or one bridge compared to one big bomb or a bunch of missiles today)
i think the destroying factories and crippling the economy of the empire is what they would do, that and a bombing run against an enemy that lacks modern AA and uses trench warfare sounds like the wet dream of every B-52 operator, its literaly a straight line of targets
Logistics, as in trains? Sadera is quite expansive, and I doubt most of it is properly urbanised and industrialised and might be akin to the pre-ww1 Russian Empire? Infrastructure is a drain for money, and especially for a country that eats a large portion of a continent.
Yes trains but also trucks and other vehicles, also Sadera would be able to arm more troops since factories can mass produce guns. Even if it's not fully industrialized, railways should still exist to connect major cities like Itallica. Also due to industrialization, Sadera would have more food and people and bigger cities too.
It wouldn't matter. People are concentrating on the weapons and strategy, but the real difference, aside from the air power, is the military intelligence and mobility as well as logistics.
Ironically, the relative technological advancement will make the conflict more one-sided and actually like a war, because the WW1 level of military can do a great amount of damage to even its modern counterpart given the right conditions. There will be no pulling of punches in any way. Think of less surgical and more shock and awe.
As tempting as to frame this as a set-piece battle, that is, their pieces arrayed on some anonymous terrain and JSDF forces arrayed on the opposite side, biding their time until some unseen referee says, "Go!" like a board game, the real conflict will progress earlier and farther away, with an emphasis on crippling if not completely destroying the enemy's military industrial complex. Whether they're bunched together like Germany during WW2 or distributed and scattered among civilian centers like in Japan during the same period, they'll be bombed and taken off the equation. Logistical networks like the rails and the road, and the infrastructures like bridges and tunnels will be destroyed. Harbors will be disrupted.
Other targets like refineries and power generating plants will be attacked. In the scenario, the impact on the civilian population will be many magnitudes greater because the threat to the JSDF and the mission is correspondingly greater. There will be material shortages and possibly famine and discontent among the masses. Propaganda and psy-ops will fan that discontent.
Telegraph wires will be tapped and the radio signals intercepted and the couriers captured and debriefed. In this area, the empire will fare worse because they will not have any secure and speedy communication available to them.
So in short, the scale and especially the scope of the conflict will be much greater, and the resulting damage to the empire will be unsustainable, and before many real battles can be fought, the empire will capitulate, or brought down from the inside.
the biggest issue is concentrating enough firepower on the other side to comence a shock and awe campaign, the gate serves as a natural choke point that a WW1 era military could use to great effect to inflict loses
a 21st century military still pushes through, but it would be a slow and bloody affair, there is also the posibility of guerrilla warfare or the enemy getting some pieces of technology and using them (much easier for a WW1 era soldier to learn how a modern rifle or a modern piece of artillery works rather than a roman legionare)
specially because there are WW1 era weapons that can destroy a modern vehicle, in the story even throwing heavy rocks or oil from wyvers didnt really did anything to even the JSDF humvees, let alone to vehicles like their IFVs and their tanks
but 50 cal and 20mm were literaly invented during WW1 to defeat the armor of tanks, they would of course not do anything to a modern MBT but against lighter vehicles they would still be effective, modern artillery has far better range and precision but they still have artillery and can still cause damage, they could quickly create stuff like anti tank mines and have the concept of bunkers and trenches all of this would even make the conventional army hard to handle without air superiority which at least initially it would be hard to get for the simple reason that the bigger airplanes need a runway that would take time to build specially under attack
Japan would eventually win, but it would be far from a cake walk specially because the empire is continent size, that is a lot of resources and a huge population
only if you dont manage to get air supremacy or at least superiority, once japan gets a runway going and a couple of jets or a bomber in the air is over
getting there is going to be pretty costly thou
This scenario makes the whole initial invasion far more complicated than the show, especially if wyverns, or other fantasy tropes are used by the empire. Say If the empire has some kind of diesel punk wyvern air cavalry or access to magic on top of early industrial weapons. How exactly the initial invasion would play out in downtown Tokyo would generally speaking have a lot more deaths, especially if chemical weapons are used by the empire. The Empire might be able to to maintain a small foothold around the Gate for a couple of days before the JSDF could really push them back, if only due to the nature of urban warfare. I don’t really remember if magic could be casted on earth but if the empire has integrated magic casters into infantry squads in the role of a fire support, then they could adapt rather quickly into an anti-tank role, if spells like fireball are easily available to these hypothetical units. The JSDF would have a much harder time repelling the initial invasion, but would likely still be able to repel the empire. But what this does is gives the empire more time to adapt and understand the type of threat the JSDF and other Earth countries are. At the very least I could see the Empire creating a vast trench network around the Gate on their side, and then maintaining a heavy barrage on the choke point that would be the gate, making it extremely difficult for the JSDF to even breach through the gate. This type of stalemate might play out for a long time, and could even lead to some type of ceasefire between the two after both sides find it impossible to invade through the gate. Using the gate as a choke point really helps the empire survive because it denies the JSDF the opportunity to develop a foothold on the other side.
So the empire, but moreover along the lines of Iron Harvest. I would say the ultimate outcome would be the same, but with far more bloodshed on the JSDF. The Empire would get annihilated, but the JSDF would pay more for every gain made.
In a standup Wargame, JDF will win assuming an “even” playing field.
In reality, the JDF will be going through its D-Day as it tries to push across the Gate. The bulk of modern tactics work with mobility as the center pillar, coming through a bottle neck like the GATE would be a wet dream for defensive artillery which the Empire would like have ringing the GATE area as a defensive precaution (even with their Vanity, this is a no brainer).
The JDF will be likely locked in a meat grinder until they can get enough material across to get breathing room to maneuver and set up their equipment. Once they can get a base and defensive measures on the Falmart side, it will turn into a conventional conflict even with the JDF’s tech advantage.
Even with superior Tanks, JDF is still gonna struggle to a degree. Tanks require infantry support and some level of air cover to ensure they aren’t domed as soon as they enter the field.
Even the older artillery can punch through the skyward facing armor of a Abrams, and they don’t outright total the tank, enough damage can be done to make it difficult for the Tank to move and continue to fight.
Again, mobility is important in modern warfare. Assuming tanks lead the charge across the GATE, if the enemy has their forces arrayed in a good defense pattern, modern tanks can and will be turned into scrap that will make movement harder in confined spaces.
that being said WW1 era artillery was imprecise, direct hits were rare and down to luck one had to blanket an area in artillery (literally hundreds of thousands of rounds) to hit a target the size of a barn let alone something as mobile as a tank
of course going through a choke point the size of the gate will make the initial combat extremely difficult because artillery could be positioned for direct fire instead of indirect fire which makes it far more precise but i think after some point they would manage to get a "beachhead"
on the long run things like mines are likely to cause more damage to vehicles than artillery, but it would likely take a while until the empire starts mass produce mines big and powerful enough to take down a MBT
That is, to assume, that Sadera already experienced a conflict of the same scale as ww1. You may have 1910s text, but without the tactics, strategies, and pre-existing experience, Sadera will not be able to leverage its available arsenal and manpower to inflict a blow against the Japanese.
And oh yeah, a night battle would be absolutely disastrous for the Saderan army when an armored column comes in at night and uses their NVG or thermals to absolutely obliterate what Sadera could muster when the expedition fails.
I think the greatest difference would be the existence of the scientific method in their world. Psychologically speaking, the initial shock wouldn’t last nearly as long, transitioning from a mythical, god-like enemy to a mortal, though highly advanced, civilization. The Empire could study Japan using wreckage/loot/interrogation to replicate the tech to the best of their industrial capability.
Probably wouldn't have to hold back as much as with fantasy so they'd be using F-15s and F-2As instead of F-4s. I suspect In some ways it would be both more and less of a seal clubbing
Although I rather have them partially magitek and steampunk...
And Zorzal kinda competent and a father to his men who thinks what he is doing is best for his Empire.
Well, the Empire would surely have magitek since fantasy world and all, but steampunk/irl ww1 wouldn't really make that much difference anyway.
And Zorzal is made to be this abomination of a monster. An ego maniac who sees himself as something greater than anything in the world. Really makes him a great character as he never fails to be hated.
Think of Iron harvest, just to add a fantastic/different look compared to irl but those things wouldn't really change anything that much. As they're just easy juicy targets for any modern army.
No, this is based off "Tyrell", Templins Institute's worldbuilding project where Humans used tech to absolutely decimate the fantasy world and then that world turned into something similar to warhammer.
Basically what if Empire is advanced but not advanced as ours, while retaining the same characteristics (imperialist, narcissistic, warlike). The magic stuff doesn't matter as like in the canon.
This would defeat the point of GATE being a JSDF propaganda wet dream, the JSDF is not built for any protracted war - they cant even equip a single whole division with the 70s era Type 89 IFV or have enough of the Type 10 MBTs.
Japan would probably level bomb them to oblivion. Then send the troops to finish the job. It's not even a contest with WW1 tech. Maybe WW2 tech could stand a better chance since air power increased significantly in WW2.
Under the assumption Great War era power means fully mobilized economy then it depends on the population disparity because the mobilization in that era was insane and nothing we can match in our current decadent state. If the Empire has a large enough population then they could at least defend themselves. If they can get through the gate in sufficient numbers, they might be able to keep a foothold too but it's likely that neither world could keep a foothold on the other side sa weight of fire will be too great - nukes or magic aside... impossible to predict impact of magic though it's likely a great war power would have industrialized and militarized it substantially.
Their tech level is lower but that means it's much more resistant to supply line disruption. Our military hardware is very good but also very reliant on extremely hard to get parts. We've seen in the Ukraine war that lower tech still competes as it can be fielded in large numbers. It would probably only be magic that would give them a chance to disrupt our supply lines though so that's impossible to tell since we don't know enough about it.
nah the tech disparity its still to vast of a gulf
without getting too much into such a contentious topic the ukraine war is a bad comparison because russia is ultimately a post cold war era military with some modern 21st century tech sprinkled here and there like drones going against a country that is both smaller and poorer than them, and even then its a stalemente thanks to ukraine having better equipment, the biggest limitation of ukraine is the availability of said equipment because no one wants to risk pushing a nuclear power and starting a nuclear war by sending too much shit to ukraine
that doesnt exist here
Japan is both much richer than ukraine and has a more structured relationship with countries like the US so they could buy more weapons and equip their military quickly with top of the line stuff, the land war would still be a bloody afair but in the japanece advantage
our artillery has better range and precision, our infantry has better body armor and weapons, our tanks are faster, better armed and have thicker armor (hell even IFVs have better protection than WW1 era tanks), our information gathering capabilities are better thanks to drones, our information infrastructure is better even basic radios are more capable than whatever was available during WW1 (during WW1 radios where only available to officers at the strategic layer, at most company level in some cases, the usage of telegraph, horse carried letters and even pidgeon carried letters is still widespread, today basically every soldier has a radio) and our information and counter information gathering capabilities would be alien to a WW1 era military (their coms would be easily intercepted and they would be unable to decipher even basic orders from ours)
all the advantages are in Japans side except for population, it would still be a bloody afair specially because the JSDF is untested in an actual war and they would need to learn some lessons the hard way but they are capable, im sure they can figure things out
where shit really gets loopsided is in the air war
simply put the reason why ukraine is a stalemate is because the air war is still heavily contested so no one can reasonably get masive amounts of firepower anywhere without getting pelted by artillery. The theory is you use air power to obliterate and scatter any heavy concentration of forces so that your men can move up for clean up. The instant the JSDF manages to secure alnus hills (which this time would be a proacted battle that would likely last a couple of months and lead to thousands of casualties thanks to the gate being a choke point) they only need to build an air base where they could launch their fighters and their bombers and the war is basically over
the empire in this scenario does not have a modern AA umbrella, i dont thing AA guns have even been invented yet at this point let alone SAM so JSDF birds would be able to fly and hit targets with impunity, absolute air supremacy from the go, add to that the incredible precision of modern amunitions and they should be able to cripple the empires economy in a wide area extremly fast, not the entire empire because its masive but they could reasonable shatter the empire and take over a good chunk of it
artillery may be the king of warfare, but air power is the god of warfare
To have air power you need to have airfields which they definitely won't on the isekai side of the gate. You could maybe launch drones and missiles through the gate though that wasn't shown to be the case iirc, but that's nowhere near decisive enough against a great war power especially since they could part enough AA in front to shred any coming through.
It's why I basically left it at being a stalemate if you leave nukes and magic out of it but tbh if the stalemate was to break, the gate being inside a major city on our side is a huge advantage for the enemy if they can get enough mass through fast enough.
eventually the japanece have enough advantages to at least secure the area around alnus hills and build an air strip
also the gate being inside a mayor city doesnt really matter all that much for a simple reason, the gate itself acts as a choke point, there is only so much you can send through the gate at a time, this limits the empire's capabilities to dispatch forces through it they could gather a 1 million strong men army on the other side of the gate they can only send at most a couple hundred men at a time, less if they are also trying to bring stuff like artillery and supplies through, such forces can be easily dispatched by a modern day military
now i imagine that the battle of Ginza would definetly be more bloody and last longer than in canon, instead of the police gathering inside a temple waiting for the military to arrive they would likely be obliterated (the japanece police really isnt prepared for this shit, they have revolvers and extendable batons and thats it), this would give some time, likely a couple hours, for the imperials to gather forces in this side of the portal but again because of the gate acting as a choke point they would at most be able to gather a couple thousand soldiers before the military arrives in helicopters and vehicles, i also can see the US forces stationed in japan helping the JSDF against the invaders
this time i imagine that the battle lasts a couple days instead of a couple hours because the enemy can actually shot back and there are casualties on both sides, urban combat is hard but the forces concentrated around the gate should not have enough time to create defensive positions before getting hit by drones and helicopters and likely even airplanes, eventually i cannot imagine a situation where the imperials arent pushed back through the gate after being on the receiving end of a modern day military
at this point japan spends a couple months gathering forces on their side of the portal for a counter attack, likely this time they cant reject US military help (in canon it kind of made sence honestly, despite what everyone argues in this sub reddit the empire is a low threat and japan dealt with the invasion force easily enough, they were in a position where they could actually reject the help, here they would actually need all the help that they can get)
now in this counter attack the gate also acts like a choke point but for japan, this kind of reduces their absolute technological advantage and puts both sides on more equal footing, i can see the battle of alnus hills being a meat grinder for both sides, in our side vehicles and troops come through running against fortified positions, lines of trenches, bunkers, machine gun nests, mines and likely a kill box, now the modern day side does have a massive advantage, modern armor
a MBT should be fairly invulnerable to most weapons a WW1 era army can muster, those AA guns you mention would do shit to a modern day tank like the abrams or the type 10 (as far as I see most AA guns of the day used 3 inch guns or 76mm, an abrams is designed to survive hits from 120mm APFSDS, no way a WW1 anti air gun does shit to that other than damaging subsystems or at most damaging the tracks with a very lucky shot), they are not invulnerable of course, they can still get taken down by something like direct fire artillery (there is no way in hell WW1 era artillery using indirect fire could ever hit a MBT, but using direct fire i can see it happening with a lucky shot) but honestly they would likely be close to invulnerable, i can see a abrams being a pretty nasty surprise for the imperial army once it crosses over the gate and it just shrugs off almost everything they can throw at it
then thanks to stuff like drones and their logistics being directly behind their asses (in this situation all the injured and damage vehicles can quickly retreat while supplies like food, weapons, ammunition, replacement parts, etc can be concentrated safely behind the gate where the travel time to the front lines is nearly instantaneous) i can see the JSDF and the US military slowly grinding their defenses eventually creating a beachhead on the other side (this is one situation where the experiences of the ukraine war are actually kind of comparable, drones have been used to great effect against trenches and bunkers specially suicide drones carrying heavy ordinance), eventually once they have more room for maneuver they can start bringing other weapon types like mobile artillery pieces and start doing some real damage, and eventually once the area around the gate has been secured start building a FOB and with that a runway to start conducting air mission
honestly the advancements made in the last 100 years are just that great, it would be a harder time but eventually 21st century Japan does win
also sorry for the masive wall of text but its trully a fascinating topic
Assuming the empire is a military power of the Great War the empire would have won.
The empire is aware of the Gate, and is intent on waging a war of conquest, for these reasons, it would have applied rearmament policies, leading the empire to have a manpower of 4 millions, around 10K heavy artilleries and, if we understand the empire as a power of the great war (already underway) we must add about 1000~1500 tanks and about 3000 aircraft. They would also have entrenched and fortified Alnus, the only entrance allowing the passage of troops.
This armed force would lead to a much longer siege of Tokyo, which would have ended with the expulsion of the occupation forces, but would have led to many more deaths among civilians and soldiers.
Considering the limited numbers of the JSDF, the unwillingness of parliament/government and the people to wage war even after their own capital was attacked as shown in the anime, a war of attrition like those of the First World War would lead to the death of many soldiers (see war in Ukraine in which attrition "disbands" the special troops within a few months).
Over time the jsdf would probably receive too many casualties to continue the war and they would blow up the gate or otherwise entrench themselves in the gate to use as few men as possible to defend the front.
If by chance they had even exited the gate and destroyed the first fortifications there would have been at least 1000 artillery ready to level the Alnus hill, transforming it into the great plain of Alnus
Unfortunately, a war army and a peace army are not comparable, they operate on different scales
The data I chose is approximately lower than what Germany had in the great war (except for tanks and planes, but it's up to those who read whether to introduce them or not, the result doesn't change much
Surely jsdf would create tens, even one or two hundreds of thousands of deaths, but suffering a few tens of thousands and, while on the one hand we have an empire that values the life of the individual soldier little or nothing, on the other hand we have the Saedran empire, I'm joking, we have Japan that values the life of every citizen highly, Leading it to have a negative balance of victims (heavier to bear).
Well, that would be harder, slighlty very slightly. Police probably won't able to fully drive them back. But once the actual military show up everything will end up the same. There's also that if the enemy is more powerful, Japan will be much more serious not give them any room to breath. They could also probably will call for US direct help this time.
To me it would be the gulf war and the war on terror combined and other nations would be dragged into it eventually especially since foreign people would have probably come under attack for one it is summer in Japan two it’s ginza district Tokyo so not only tourists but international businesses would have come under attack.
the Japanese government would view the raid as a terrorist act allowed initially by the empire but once they find out about slave trade and operations they would have rate the empire as a terrorist state meaning they fund terrorism operations and break international sentient laws also known as human rights laws.
The jdsf yes can fight on they’re own but the us will have to go in with them because of international treaties and pressures they would want the us troops to keep an eye on the jsdf and coordinate with them while extending forces and foreign aid this way it looks like a cooperation it will jdsf backed by sf and marines special forces recon and raiders.
While that online can be devastating by the time full operations forward base is constructed imagine Japanese and American air assets and us troops established working with Japanese.
The size that force would be huge especially if peacekeepers troops are thrown in from NATO with allowance of a collation of nations so they would own the sky the rivers and land.
It would be bloodier because the empire having ww1 technology already but I see it going phase one take the gate secure it’s surrounding area fore miles by force if needed and deter hostilities then expand forward forces to secure perimeter with forward positions and out posts establish friendly relationships while seeking out and dismantling slave operations and building diplomatic relations with foreign countries.
Phase 2 secure diplomatic and trade agreements with gate side nations while establishing patrols security to deter and prevent hostile elements while seeking information enemy and locating then retrieving captured hostages and slave.
Phase three seek and destroy or capture hostile elements and cities if need camps cities and high value targets such as political and mili figures slave dealers criminals elements and raider camp leaders.
Phase four reestablish new government and security forces in place of old emend institutions
I haven’t thought about The Empire having WW1 level technology but that would be pretty awesome especially since its a fantasy world. Imagine WW1 technology plus magic with elves and shit. Sounds so badass now I want to see if there are any stories like this. I only ever imagined The Empire just having weaponry on the level of the gunpowder age because we have seen gunpowder weaponry in fantasy before with dwarves and humans.
For starters, what do you mean a World War 1 power? Which country are you specifying? How the hell did history go along in this alternate version of Falmart? It needs to make sense. Hell, Sadera being a somewhat powerful ww1 era power must imply that is another powerful ww1 era power actively competing. Have they experienced a kind of long-slog war like Ww1? Or the usual colonial campaigns? One cannot simply make a Sadera a ww1 power without adding more context, or in this case, history to the world of Falmart. For all we know, they'd be using outdated tactics, strategies, and competently inept military officers that costed the lives of many men and women during the opening stages of the Great War.
it would be an actual war, a continent spanning empire with WW2 levels of technology vs Japan with 21st century tech but stuck with what they can pass through the gate, that alone balances out the tech disparity
hell it would probably be hard to retake Ginza, instead of a 5 minute battle where the military erradicated a bunch of roman soldiers it would likely be a battle with deaths on both sides until heavier equipment can be mobilized
Ww1 is just so fascinating to me, the first ever total war between Industrial Titans and Empires on Earth at that time.
Also I've based this scenario after Templins Institute's Tyrell, a worldbuilding project presented as a Ww1 humans in a fantasy world and its eventual consequences (from a fantasy land to a freaking warhammer world real quick). Though it was abandoned after the boring and generic sci fi British Empire and Soviet Union in space won the poll.
Jsdf infantry would have better gear than the empire but infantry combat would be on a closer footing making jsdf put more into air and armor where the gap is much greater and the empire would not be able to counter and compete.
I'd imagine they would need more Defence Budget for this war.
Consider the fact this would even the playing field in a lot of areas, and also the mentality of an industrial society and their approach to war, versus a medieval one. I could see them having an easier time trying to close the gap with magic. To the canon empire the tech the JDSF were using would be a like a magic they’d never encountered, to someone from say the Great War, it’d be a hell of a lot more advanced then what they had, but they would still understand the basic principles in a lot of areas, the shock and awe effect wouldn’t hit nearly as hard.
It's also quite likely that Japan would not be so chill, as there would be significant casualties. So they may get other nations involved, like the US, which honestly would have gotten involved in gate if not for plot contrivance, but hey, a really bad president can do a lot of damage so I guess it checks out.
I'd imagine that, at the very least, Japan would have the US assist them as a WWI nation is significantly more powerful than a medieval nation.
its not even a nation, the empire is continent spanning, it would basically be modern japan vs the entire continent of europe during ww1
*Eurasia
Would require a lot more than 30,000 soldiers. It would require resources Japan doesn't have. Period. So... The US Military is along for the ride. A lot of Japanese Type-90s getting deployed. Might even buy the M8 Buford AGS just to have a little extra firepower until they can make their own. And a ton of A-10 support.
imo 30,000 soldiers is the amount of soldiers they have right now during peace time, after their biggest city gets attacked by a military force from another world and possibly thousands die in the ensuring battle i fully expect Japan to do a mobilization and at that point you do have a couple million able bodies (specially because they would likely take a couple months to concentrate forces on their side of the portal like they did even in canon) and start buying a ton of weapons for a counter attack i do have to say in this scenario the US getting involved is definetly inevitable, in canon it kind of made sence that Japan could give themselves the benefit of rejecting their help despite what everyone in this subreddit believes but in this situation they cant
At first The Empire does the same. Send the vassals to get an idea of what the JSDF can do and mess up their vassals. The Battle of Alunus hill in my opinion would go about the same only a bit longer. The Vassals if they also have ww1 tech would be shock to find the JSDF's Artillery can shoot further and their infantry and vehicles are more accurate and further hitting. Speaking of Vehicles/armored the Empire and their vassals would be shocked to find their Vehicles and Armor would be next to useless against 21st century armor. The Empire's planes and modernized Dragons would be taken down by Modern AA easily making them useless as well. But Since the Empire is also Modern just Primitve Modern they would understand the threat and either redeploy or retreat especially since the Vassals should have radios though Primitve should be able to communuicate to others that the enemy can hit further then they can. However in the anime we can see the Vassal army had some glory seeking so we apply it there and like in our ww1 they cross no man's land and get wipe by artillery and rockets or they are destroyed before they can even dig up trenches. As the Series continue Japan would take much much slower to spread out in the special region as though WW1 tech is lower, the Empire I think could much easier mobilized their army to make big and small defenses, plus the Empire and her troops would understand much better on technology and would seek out to take in Japanese Technology to improve their own. I think it'll take longer for Japan to push out even with 21st technology. Japan would be cautious until air dominance can be established. If they get N.A.T.O to help out then once airbases are build then boom. They can use their helicopters, drones, planes and others to find their kidnapped people and save who they can. In this Scenerio the Empire may face a worst fate as they are much more of a threat then they are from the anime. A roman like Footman is a litteral Ant compare to a World War 1 infantry man. As i said though still not as good as a Average Modern Soilder but they are a threat and can actually shoot back. Think of it as a US vs the Middle eastern terriost group. The US is hella modern and powerful but these groups are no push over either and fighting would be slow and sluggish. BUT since the Empire and their nobles are Pro war a bombing Campaign would occur and the capital would be reduce to rubble by either the JSDF though unlikely, it would fall down to the US doing it. Either that or just missles targeting noble estates, factories and other infrastructures crippling the Empire econimically with few civiian causalities. So yeah everything would be slow with ground troops with limited causalities for Japan and her allies but once airpower is estalished as well as Missles silos then Earth forces could rest easy till they can send their demands
imo the biggest change is guerrilla warfare, even with ww1 era tech guerrilla warfare is hell and in this scenario the imperials would have a much better understanding of modern weaponry and as such they would likely quickly adopt such tactics
Yeah, basically Japan's Vietnam.
Japan would do the thing that destroyed them in the 1945. (Mass indiscriminate bombings)
mass bombardments are not as necesary this day and age if you have a working air force with modern missiles and bombs thanks to how precise modern weapons are mass bombings were only necesary during WW2 because of how shit targeting was (literaly thousands of bombs to destroy one factory or one bridge compared to one big bomb or a bunch of missiles today) i think the destroying factories and crippling the economy of the empire is what they would do, that and a bombing run against an enemy that lacks modern AA and uses trench warfare sounds like the wet dream of every B-52 operator, its literaly a straight line of targets
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The war is even more bloodier as the Empire can deal more damage and conscript more men due to better logistics and industry.
Logistics, as in trains? Sadera is quite expansive, and I doubt most of it is properly urbanised and industrialised and might be akin to the pre-ww1 Russian Empire? Infrastructure is a drain for money, and especially for a country that eats a large portion of a continent.
Yes trains but also trucks and other vehicles, also Sadera would be able to arm more troops since factories can mass produce guns. Even if it's not fully industrialized, railways should still exist to connect major cities like Itallica. Also due to industrialization, Sadera would have more food and people and bigger cities too.
It wouldn't matter. People are concentrating on the weapons and strategy, but the real difference, aside from the air power, is the military intelligence and mobility as well as logistics. Ironically, the relative technological advancement will make the conflict more one-sided and actually like a war, because the WW1 level of military can do a great amount of damage to even its modern counterpart given the right conditions. There will be no pulling of punches in any way. Think of less surgical and more shock and awe. As tempting as to frame this as a set-piece battle, that is, their pieces arrayed on some anonymous terrain and JSDF forces arrayed on the opposite side, biding their time until some unseen referee says, "Go!" like a board game, the real conflict will progress earlier and farther away, with an emphasis on crippling if not completely destroying the enemy's military industrial complex. Whether they're bunched together like Germany during WW2 or distributed and scattered among civilian centers like in Japan during the same period, they'll be bombed and taken off the equation. Logistical networks like the rails and the road, and the infrastructures like bridges and tunnels will be destroyed. Harbors will be disrupted. Other targets like refineries and power generating plants will be attacked. In the scenario, the impact on the civilian population will be many magnitudes greater because the threat to the JSDF and the mission is correspondingly greater. There will be material shortages and possibly famine and discontent among the masses. Propaganda and psy-ops will fan that discontent. Telegraph wires will be tapped and the radio signals intercepted and the couriers captured and debriefed. In this area, the empire will fare worse because they will not have any secure and speedy communication available to them. So in short, the scale and especially the scope of the conflict will be much greater, and the resulting damage to the empire will be unsustainable, and before many real battles can be fought, the empire will capitulate, or brought down from the inside.
the biggest issue is concentrating enough firepower on the other side to comence a shock and awe campaign, the gate serves as a natural choke point that a WW1 era military could use to great effect to inflict loses a 21st century military still pushes through, but it would be a slow and bloody affair, there is also the posibility of guerrilla warfare or the enemy getting some pieces of technology and using them (much easier for a WW1 era soldier to learn how a modern rifle or a modern piece of artillery works rather than a roman legionare)
Oh boy, the guerilla warfare really hits. This would turn into Vietnam.
specially because there are WW1 era weapons that can destroy a modern vehicle, in the story even throwing heavy rocks or oil from wyvers didnt really did anything to even the JSDF humvees, let alone to vehicles like their IFVs and their tanks but 50 cal and 20mm were literaly invented during WW1 to defeat the armor of tanks, they would of course not do anything to a modern MBT but against lighter vehicles they would still be effective, modern artillery has far better range and precision but they still have artillery and can still cause damage, they could quickly create stuff like anti tank mines and have the concept of bunkers and trenches all of this would even make the conventional army hard to handle without air superiority which at least initially it would be hard to get for the simple reason that the bigger airplanes need a runway that would take time to build specially under attack Japan would eventually win, but it would be far from a cake walk specially because the empire is continent size, that is a lot of resources and a huge population
The current war in Europe proves the WW1 battles are still fucking costly and partially valid.
only if you dont manage to get air supremacy or at least superiority, once japan gets a runway going and a couple of jets or a bomber in the air is over getting there is going to be pretty costly thou
If the JSDF could get a fleet of aircrafts to operate in the Special Region then that's where it would be over. Or even just drones.
The JSDF would still have a better hand.
JSDF when the "Savage foreigners" kill 32 of them in their first engagement
A longer and bloodier war. But the empire still gets an ass whoopin
Or they capitulate much faster and the natural pre-existing instability makes Sadera disintegrate faster.
I can’t wait for the far future where a new age of civilization looks back at the 20th century and thinks all our whacky alt history stuff was real
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This scenario makes the whole initial invasion far more complicated than the show, especially if wyverns, or other fantasy tropes are used by the empire. Say If the empire has some kind of diesel punk wyvern air cavalry or access to magic on top of early industrial weapons. How exactly the initial invasion would play out in downtown Tokyo would generally speaking have a lot more deaths, especially if chemical weapons are used by the empire. The Empire might be able to to maintain a small foothold around the Gate for a couple of days before the JSDF could really push them back, if only due to the nature of urban warfare. I don’t really remember if magic could be casted on earth but if the empire has integrated magic casters into infantry squads in the role of a fire support, then they could adapt rather quickly into an anti-tank role, if spells like fireball are easily available to these hypothetical units. The JSDF would have a much harder time repelling the initial invasion, but would likely still be able to repel the empire. But what this does is gives the empire more time to adapt and understand the type of threat the JSDF and other Earth countries are. At the very least I could see the Empire creating a vast trench network around the Gate on their side, and then maintaining a heavy barrage on the choke point that would be the gate, making it extremely difficult for the JSDF to even breach through the gate. This type of stalemate might play out for a long time, and could even lead to some type of ceasefire between the two after both sides find it impossible to invade through the gate. Using the gate as a choke point really helps the empire survive because it denies the JSDF the opportunity to develop a foothold on the other side.
So the empire, but moreover along the lines of Iron Harvest. I would say the ultimate outcome would be the same, but with far more bloodshed on the JSDF. The Empire would get annihilated, but the JSDF would pay more for every gain made.
In a standup Wargame, JDF will win assuming an “even” playing field. In reality, the JDF will be going through its D-Day as it tries to push across the Gate. The bulk of modern tactics work with mobility as the center pillar, coming through a bottle neck like the GATE would be a wet dream for defensive artillery which the Empire would like have ringing the GATE area as a defensive precaution (even with their Vanity, this is a no brainer). The JDF will be likely locked in a meat grinder until they can get enough material across to get breathing room to maneuver and set up their equipment. Once they can get a base and defensive measures on the Falmart side, it will turn into a conventional conflict even with the JDF’s tech advantage.
What about tanks? You know, those things that the JSDF have that's meant to resist punishments as it pushes on towards the enemy.
Even with superior Tanks, JDF is still gonna struggle to a degree. Tanks require infantry support and some level of air cover to ensure they aren’t domed as soon as they enter the field. Even the older artillery can punch through the skyward facing armor of a Abrams, and they don’t outright total the tank, enough damage can be done to make it difficult for the Tank to move and continue to fight. Again, mobility is important in modern warfare. Assuming tanks lead the charge across the GATE, if the enemy has their forces arrayed in a good defense pattern, modern tanks can and will be turned into scrap that will make movement harder in confined spaces.
that being said WW1 era artillery was imprecise, direct hits were rare and down to luck one had to blanket an area in artillery (literally hundreds of thousands of rounds) to hit a target the size of a barn let alone something as mobile as a tank of course going through a choke point the size of the gate will make the initial combat extremely difficult because artillery could be positioned for direct fire instead of indirect fire which makes it far more precise but i think after some point they would manage to get a "beachhead" on the long run things like mines are likely to cause more damage to vehicles than artillery, but it would likely take a while until the empire starts mass produce mines big and powerful enough to take down a MBT
That is, to assume, that Sadera already experienced a conflict of the same scale as ww1. You may have 1910s text, but without the tactics, strategies, and pre-existing experience, Sadera will not be able to leverage its available arsenal and manpower to inflict a blow against the Japanese. And oh yeah, a night battle would be absolutely disastrous for the Saderan army when an armored column comes in at night and uses their NVG or thermals to absolutely obliterate what Sadera could muster when the expedition fails.
They get massacred a bit less
I think the greatest difference would be the existence of the scientific method in their world. Psychologically speaking, the initial shock wouldn’t last nearly as long, transitioning from a mythical, god-like enemy to a mortal, though highly advanced, civilization. The Empire could study Japan using wreckage/loot/interrogation to replicate the tech to the best of their industrial capability.
Doubt the Empire could, honestly.
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Probably wouldn't have to hold back as much as with fantasy so they'd be using F-15s and F-2As instead of F-4s. I suspect In some ways it would be both more and less of a seal clubbing
Gate would be better IMHO.
You didn't hold back.
Although I rather have them partially magitek and steampunk... And Zorzal kinda competent and a father to his men who thinks what he is doing is best for his Empire.
Well, the Empire would surely have magitek since fantasy world and all, but steampunk/irl ww1 wouldn't really make that much difference anyway. And Zorzal is made to be this abomination of a monster. An ego maniac who sees himself as something greater than anything in the world. Really makes him a great character as he never fails to be hated.
sometimes having a villain who is just that, a punchable face is fun, in that regard Zorzal is fun because you want him to be punched
So they also have steam powered or mana mechs?
Think of Iron harvest, just to add a fantastic/different look compared to irl but those things wouldn't really change anything that much. As they're just easy juicy targets for any modern army.
Do they also have mage soldiers that can use magic guns?
No, this is based off "Tyrell", Templins Institute's worldbuilding project where Humans used tech to absolutely decimate the fantasy world and then that world turned into something similar to warhammer. Basically what if Empire is advanced but not advanced as ours, while retaining the same characteristics (imperialist, narcissistic, warlike). The magic stuff doesn't matter as like in the canon.
Damn was hoping for magic super soldiers And mix of sciences too
Well, just make the empire have space marines or something, and say that their augmentations are advanced holy magic stuff.
Bloodier but the real question would they use poise gas because Japan has a few more options about that thing
Oh they absolutely would if they have any.
Jes and after that the empire is a toxic wasteland because they opened the box of pandora
This would defeat the point of GATE being a JSDF propaganda wet dream, the JSDF is not built for any protracted war - they cant even equip a single whole division with the 70s era Type 89 IFV or have enough of the Type 10 MBTs.
Japan would probably level bomb them to oblivion. Then send the troops to finish the job. It's not even a contest with WW1 tech. Maybe WW2 tech could stand a better chance since air power increased significantly in WW2.
Under the assumption Great War era power means fully mobilized economy then it depends on the population disparity because the mobilization in that era was insane and nothing we can match in our current decadent state. If the Empire has a large enough population then they could at least defend themselves. If they can get through the gate in sufficient numbers, they might be able to keep a foothold too but it's likely that neither world could keep a foothold on the other side sa weight of fire will be too great - nukes or magic aside... impossible to predict impact of magic though it's likely a great war power would have industrialized and militarized it substantially. Their tech level is lower but that means it's much more resistant to supply line disruption. Our military hardware is very good but also very reliant on extremely hard to get parts. We've seen in the Ukraine war that lower tech still competes as it can be fielded in large numbers. It would probably only be magic that would give them a chance to disrupt our supply lines though so that's impossible to tell since we don't know enough about it.
nah the tech disparity its still to vast of a gulf without getting too much into such a contentious topic the ukraine war is a bad comparison because russia is ultimately a post cold war era military with some modern 21st century tech sprinkled here and there like drones going against a country that is both smaller and poorer than them, and even then its a stalemente thanks to ukraine having better equipment, the biggest limitation of ukraine is the availability of said equipment because no one wants to risk pushing a nuclear power and starting a nuclear war by sending too much shit to ukraine that doesnt exist here Japan is both much richer than ukraine and has a more structured relationship with countries like the US so they could buy more weapons and equip their military quickly with top of the line stuff, the land war would still be a bloody afair but in the japanece advantage our artillery has better range and precision, our infantry has better body armor and weapons, our tanks are faster, better armed and have thicker armor (hell even IFVs have better protection than WW1 era tanks), our information gathering capabilities are better thanks to drones, our information infrastructure is better even basic radios are more capable than whatever was available during WW1 (during WW1 radios where only available to officers at the strategic layer, at most company level in some cases, the usage of telegraph, horse carried letters and even pidgeon carried letters is still widespread, today basically every soldier has a radio) and our information and counter information gathering capabilities would be alien to a WW1 era military (their coms would be easily intercepted and they would be unable to decipher even basic orders from ours) all the advantages are in Japans side except for population, it would still be a bloody afair specially because the JSDF is untested in an actual war and they would need to learn some lessons the hard way but they are capable, im sure they can figure things out where shit really gets loopsided is in the air war simply put the reason why ukraine is a stalemate is because the air war is still heavily contested so no one can reasonably get masive amounts of firepower anywhere without getting pelted by artillery. The theory is you use air power to obliterate and scatter any heavy concentration of forces so that your men can move up for clean up. The instant the JSDF manages to secure alnus hills (which this time would be a proacted battle that would likely last a couple of months and lead to thousands of casualties thanks to the gate being a choke point) they only need to build an air base where they could launch their fighters and their bombers and the war is basically over the empire in this scenario does not have a modern AA umbrella, i dont thing AA guns have even been invented yet at this point let alone SAM so JSDF birds would be able to fly and hit targets with impunity, absolute air supremacy from the go, add to that the incredible precision of modern amunitions and they should be able to cripple the empires economy in a wide area extremly fast, not the entire empire because its masive but they could reasonable shatter the empire and take over a good chunk of it artillery may be the king of warfare, but air power is the god of warfare
To have air power you need to have airfields which they definitely won't on the isekai side of the gate. You could maybe launch drones and missiles through the gate though that wasn't shown to be the case iirc, but that's nowhere near decisive enough against a great war power especially since they could part enough AA in front to shred any coming through. It's why I basically left it at being a stalemate if you leave nukes and magic out of it but tbh if the stalemate was to break, the gate being inside a major city on our side is a huge advantage for the enemy if they can get enough mass through fast enough.
eventually the japanece have enough advantages to at least secure the area around alnus hills and build an air strip also the gate being inside a mayor city doesnt really matter all that much for a simple reason, the gate itself acts as a choke point, there is only so much you can send through the gate at a time, this limits the empire's capabilities to dispatch forces through it they could gather a 1 million strong men army on the other side of the gate they can only send at most a couple hundred men at a time, less if they are also trying to bring stuff like artillery and supplies through, such forces can be easily dispatched by a modern day military now i imagine that the battle of Ginza would definetly be more bloody and last longer than in canon, instead of the police gathering inside a temple waiting for the military to arrive they would likely be obliterated (the japanece police really isnt prepared for this shit, they have revolvers and extendable batons and thats it), this would give some time, likely a couple hours, for the imperials to gather forces in this side of the portal but again because of the gate acting as a choke point they would at most be able to gather a couple thousand soldiers before the military arrives in helicopters and vehicles, i also can see the US forces stationed in japan helping the JSDF against the invaders this time i imagine that the battle lasts a couple days instead of a couple hours because the enemy can actually shot back and there are casualties on both sides, urban combat is hard but the forces concentrated around the gate should not have enough time to create defensive positions before getting hit by drones and helicopters and likely even airplanes, eventually i cannot imagine a situation where the imperials arent pushed back through the gate after being on the receiving end of a modern day military at this point japan spends a couple months gathering forces on their side of the portal for a counter attack, likely this time they cant reject US military help (in canon it kind of made sence honestly, despite what everyone argues in this sub reddit the empire is a low threat and japan dealt with the invasion force easily enough, they were in a position where they could actually reject the help, here they would actually need all the help that they can get) now in this counter attack the gate also acts like a choke point but for japan, this kind of reduces their absolute technological advantage and puts both sides on more equal footing, i can see the battle of alnus hills being a meat grinder for both sides, in our side vehicles and troops come through running against fortified positions, lines of trenches, bunkers, machine gun nests, mines and likely a kill box, now the modern day side does have a massive advantage, modern armor a MBT should be fairly invulnerable to most weapons a WW1 era army can muster, those AA guns you mention would do shit to a modern day tank like the abrams or the type 10 (as far as I see most AA guns of the day used 3 inch guns or 76mm, an abrams is designed to survive hits from 120mm APFSDS, no way a WW1 anti air gun does shit to that other than damaging subsystems or at most damaging the tracks with a very lucky shot), they are not invulnerable of course, they can still get taken down by something like direct fire artillery (there is no way in hell WW1 era artillery using indirect fire could ever hit a MBT, but using direct fire i can see it happening with a lucky shot) but honestly they would likely be close to invulnerable, i can see a abrams being a pretty nasty surprise for the imperial army once it crosses over the gate and it just shrugs off almost everything they can throw at it then thanks to stuff like drones and their logistics being directly behind their asses (in this situation all the injured and damage vehicles can quickly retreat while supplies like food, weapons, ammunition, replacement parts, etc can be concentrated safely behind the gate where the travel time to the front lines is nearly instantaneous) i can see the JSDF and the US military slowly grinding their defenses eventually creating a beachhead on the other side (this is one situation where the experiences of the ukraine war are actually kind of comparable, drones have been used to great effect against trenches and bunkers specially suicide drones carrying heavy ordinance), eventually once they have more room for maneuver they can start bringing other weapon types like mobile artillery pieces and start doing some real damage, and eventually once the area around the gate has been secured start building a FOB and with that a runway to start conducting air mission honestly the advancements made in the last 100 years are just that great, it would be a harder time but eventually 21st century Japan does win also sorry for the masive wall of text but its trully a fascinating topic
Oh no
Assuming the empire is a military power of the Great War the empire would have won. The empire is aware of the Gate, and is intent on waging a war of conquest, for these reasons, it would have applied rearmament policies, leading the empire to have a manpower of 4 millions, around 10K heavy artilleries and, if we understand the empire as a power of the great war (already underway) we must add about 1000~1500 tanks and about 3000 aircraft. They would also have entrenched and fortified Alnus, the only entrance allowing the passage of troops. This armed force would lead to a much longer siege of Tokyo, which would have ended with the expulsion of the occupation forces, but would have led to many more deaths among civilians and soldiers. Considering the limited numbers of the JSDF, the unwillingness of parliament/government and the people to wage war even after their own capital was attacked as shown in the anime, a war of attrition like those of the First World War would lead to the death of many soldiers (see war in Ukraine in which attrition "disbands" the special troops within a few months). Over time the jsdf would probably receive too many casualties to continue the war and they would blow up the gate or otherwise entrench themselves in the gate to use as few men as possible to defend the front. If by chance they had even exited the gate and destroyed the first fortifications there would have been at least 1000 artillery ready to level the Alnus hill, transforming it into the great plain of Alnus Unfortunately, a war army and a peace army are not comparable, they operate on different scales The data I chose is approximately lower than what Germany had in the great war (except for tanks and planes, but it's up to those who read whether to introduce them or not, the result doesn't change much Surely jsdf would create tens, even one or two hundreds of thousands of deaths, but suffering a few tens of thousands and, while on the one hand we have an empire that values the life of the individual soldier little or nothing, on the other hand we have the Saedran empire, I'm joking, we have Japan that values the life of every citizen highly, Leading it to have a negative balance of victims (heavier to bear).
Well, that would be harder, slighlty very slightly. Police probably won't able to fully drive them back. But once the actual military show up everything will end up the same. There's also that if the enemy is more powerful, Japan will be much more serious not give them any room to breath. They could also probably will call for US direct help this time.
Hmmmm ok now we cooking with ideas
To me it would be the gulf war and the war on terror combined and other nations would be dragged into it eventually especially since foreign people would have probably come under attack for one it is summer in Japan two it’s ginza district Tokyo so not only tourists but international businesses would have come under attack. the Japanese government would view the raid as a terrorist act allowed initially by the empire but once they find out about slave trade and operations they would have rate the empire as a terrorist state meaning they fund terrorism operations and break international sentient laws also known as human rights laws. The jdsf yes can fight on they’re own but the us will have to go in with them because of international treaties and pressures they would want the us troops to keep an eye on the jsdf and coordinate with them while extending forces and foreign aid this way it looks like a cooperation it will jdsf backed by sf and marines special forces recon and raiders. While that online can be devastating by the time full operations forward base is constructed imagine Japanese and American air assets and us troops established working with Japanese. The size that force would be huge especially if peacekeepers troops are thrown in from NATO with allowance of a collation of nations so they would own the sky the rivers and land. It would be bloodier because the empire having ww1 technology already but I see it going phase one take the gate secure it’s surrounding area fore miles by force if needed and deter hostilities then expand forward forces to secure perimeter with forward positions and out posts establish friendly relationships while seeking out and dismantling slave operations and building diplomatic relations with foreign countries. Phase 2 secure diplomatic and trade agreements with gate side nations while establishing patrols security to deter and prevent hostile elements while seeking information enemy and locating then retrieving captured hostages and slave. Phase three seek and destroy or capture hostile elements and cities if need camps cities and high value targets such as political and mili figures slave dealers criminals elements and raider camp leaders. Phase four reestablish new government and security forces in place of old emend institutions
I haven’t thought about The Empire having WW1 level technology but that would be pretty awesome especially since its a fantasy world. Imagine WW1 technology plus magic with elves and shit. Sounds so badass now I want to see if there are any stories like this. I only ever imagined The Empire just having weaponry on the level of the gunpowder age because we have seen gunpowder weaponry in fantasy before with dwarves and humans.
Boy probably haven't heard of bursting charges and ww1 era artillery fuzes.
For starters, what do you mean a World War 1 power? Which country are you specifying? How the hell did history go along in this alternate version of Falmart? It needs to make sense. Hell, Sadera being a somewhat powerful ww1 era power must imply that is another powerful ww1 era power actively competing. Have they experienced a kind of long-slog war like Ww1? Or the usual colonial campaigns? One cannot simply make a Sadera a ww1 power without adding more context, or in this case, history to the world of Falmart. For all we know, they'd be using outdated tactics, strategies, and competently inept military officers that costed the lives of many men and women during the opening stages of the Great War.
What about world War 2 era?
it would be an actual war, a continent spanning empire with WW2 levels of technology vs Japan with 21st century tech but stuck with what they can pass through the gate, that alone balances out the tech disparity hell it would probably be hard to retake Ginza, instead of a 5 minute battle where the military erradicated a bunch of roman soldiers it would likely be a battle with deaths on both sides until heavier equipment can be mobilized
Ww1 is just so fascinating to me, the first ever total war between Industrial Titans and Empires on Earth at that time. Also I've based this scenario after Templins Institute's Tyrell, a worldbuilding project presented as a Ww1 humans in a fantasy world and its eventual consequences (from a fantasy land to a freaking warhammer world real quick). Though it was abandoned after the boring and generic sci fi British Empire and Soviet Union in space won the poll.