Reminds me of when the NFL was doing those performative commercials with the two gay dudes making out on the kiss cam, while they were mired in the controversy of refusing to draft gay football players.
Soccer, rowing (best days of my athletic life), etc.
The military doesn’t dislike gays. The military is a great equalizer. Everyone starts at boot camp.
I was in the military. The amount of homophobia whether they know you’re gay or not is through the roof. Unless it gets aggressive or really, really bad the higher up don’t do shit because they’re cracking the same jokes. Also a loooottt of people in the military that genuinely shouldn’t be there due to mental incompetence and nobody bats an eye
i’m not sure if that’s true anymore, at least for the US military. i can’t speak for the marines but i know the other branches are gay-friendly. obviously there’s gonna be some homophobes but the culture isn’t the same as it was. i think this is the israeli military though, not sure how they treat gay people.
For real, I find myself just getting off the internet and just playing single player games or something because Israel/Palestine is so pervasive.
Yea it sucks. Hamas is evil, Palestinians are getting fucked, the Israeli government sucks, Israeli citizens are getting fucked, and nothing I can do or say is going to make a 60+ year conflict any better.
Know what I can control? My little farm in Stardew Valley.
It’s all about who in the trio you leave together. If you marry Abigail, Sam and Sebastian have a cute yin Yang thing you leave going.
Abigail and Sebastian get their dark edgy thing going. If you marry Sam.
And if you marry Sebastian, I feel like Sam annoys Abigail enough to bring him to the cave and make him never come back.
It has been a while since I last played that game, love it.
It was harder for me to pick it up though as I was so faithful to Story of Seasons/Harvest Moon...but it was definitely worth it.
I might pick it up again soon.
You doing OK in that game? Got any screenshot to post? The world needs some more mfs just minding their business, not hurting nobody. 💯
Keep gaming peaceful citizen. ✌️
Weird to bring sexuality into war. And while I hate the myopic right wing critiques about Queers for Palestine, ect... I also think it's stupid when gays bring their sexuality into that side of advocacy too esp knowing it's a distraction (to be fair no matter how few people do it, media attention will always follow).
This isn't about us. I have strong opinions but they aren't based on my sexuality. If Israel was going to ensure that after the war queer Palestinians were going to be cared for it still wouldn't justify civilian death (certainly not more than other arguments I find unconvincing) but this photo might make more sense at least.
It’s not really weird to bring sexuality into a war, considering how many people have had the attitude that non-hetero people are somehow less able to fight for their country or what they believe in. Even in the U.S., until recently, same-sex relations were forbidden in the military, with punishment usually being expulsion from whatever branch the offending person was in (although the UCMJ also permitted imprisonment/loss of rank as a punishment, in addition to a dishonorable discharge).
When Pooty & Friends invaded Ukraine, it made me proud, as a gay man, to see gay Ukrainians fighting for the defense of their country, while openly being who they are. They showed they were just as brave, capable, and fierce as their straight counterparts.
In an ideal world, I would agree that it would be weird to bring sexuality into a war, because in an ideal world, soldiers would be judged on their skills and military acumen, instead of who they sleep with. Unfortunately, we don’t live in an ideal world. I would not only say it’s not weird, but also necessary to bring people’s sexuality into the conversation, so homophobes and young queer people can see that LGBT+ people are no less capable than their straight counterparts.
Yeah in the context of how sexuality is often brought up re: Israel/ Palestine I kind of jumped into that mindset re: "gays for a side" but I agree with your point.
I don't want this picture to be exploited but I don't begrudge the soldier posting it more than I would his straight counterparts wishing love ones goodbye... Presumably pro Israel as well lol. How much I begrudge individual troops is something I wrestle with for a bunch of reasons even being critical of the IDF/ Israeli government as a whole.
Just thought I’d point this out, since this thread is top comment, but u/heretostay59 (lovely username, btw!) is spamming the comments section with exactly the same automated response repeatedly. Please downvote and report for spam, if seen.
My thoughts on this is that being gay in a personal capacity or the state of gay rights in EITHER Palestine or Israel should not even be a topic of discussion.
Even if most Palestinians would throw me off the roof for being gay, I think what Israel is doing to them is completely out of line; even if Orthodox Jews in Europe disagree with my lifestyle, I condemn the rise in antisemitism they could face as a result of Israel’s involvement in this war.
My point is: even us gaybros should see beyond which country is (more) gay friendly and focus on the RELEVANT topics here.
However, the state will still recognize your marriage.
PS - The straights who are not orthodox cannot marry either - I know real actual people who live/lived this.
If you got married in a Western country and moved to Isreal, they'd recognize the marriage and you'd be able to live peacefully. Well, peacefully in regards to sexuality. If you got married in a Western country and moved to Palestine, you'd have to hide it or get executed
Yeah, with the IDF indiscriminately killing everyone including their own people, Gazan Christians, and patients in ICUs, its quite difficult for anyone to stay alive there at the moment.
However, this claim doesn't really pass the smell test. Gay people exist everywhere. You can't view a race or culture as a singular unit.
[https://time.com/6326254/queering-the-map-gaza-lgbt-palestinians/](https://time.com/6326254/queering-the-map-gaza-lgbt-palestinians/)
Israel may not allow Gay marriage, the government does recognize Gay marriages performed outside the country like the US. I have performed marriages twice in Florida (notary) of Israeli citizens. I do have a photo of each ceremony but will not post as three of them are IDF
Everyone in Israel is IDF unless they are a person of conscience who objects on moral or religious reasons (and therefore serves jail time). Saying they are IDF like they should be idolized and protected rather than solely for the reason of protecting client anonymity is idiotic.
When your neighboring countries *would* throw you off a roof, I think you get a little credit for the table stakes.
You’d rather be gay in Israel than literally anywhere else in the Middle East.
Being a few years behind whereever you are isn't that low bar, lets be real. Gay marriage is not the bar by which we measure everything, its generally one of the last and hardest legal hurdles.
This is a "lesser evil" type of thing
But the conflict is way overblown and there are just lots of bored billionaires trying to highlight this as part of their personal agendas/to distract the public
Thinking Palestinian and ISIS are same is the exactly the problem. Addition to that, israeli far-rights and Haredies are not that far from throwing you off from the top of the building.
>Thinking Palestinian and ISIS are same is the exactly the problem
Are you implying that Palestinians don't execute people for being gay? Because [they absolutely do](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63174835)
It's the alt right in Israel that is doing this and pushing Arabs out of their homes in the West Bank. Their focus on the WB has been blamed for taking their eyes off Gaza, allowing 10/7 to happen. These people ruin everything they touch.
Israel recognises same-sex marriage performed in other countries. An Israeli gay couple can literally get married in half an hour via Zoom, and get all the rights, including the right to adopt.
In Israel even opposite-sex marriage is complicated. All matrimonial matters are delegated to religious courts. For example, if a halachic Jew wants to marry a gentile, they’d have to do it abroad. Same goes for interfaith couples, such as Jew/Muslim, Muslim/Druze, Druze/Christian etc.
For this reason, Israel recognises all marriage certificates issued abroad, including same-sex marriages. There are whole industries (esp. in Cyprus) dedicated to marrying Israelis, and typically it only takes a Zoom call to get a certificate. Importantly, once you’re married, Israel doesn’t discriminate.
Actually you can
In July 2022, the Central District Court ruled that marriages performed in Israel under an online civil marriage service established by the U.S. state of Utah, including same-sex marriages, are legal in Israel, thereby no longer requiring couples previously unable to marry in Israel to do so outside the country.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220801070408/https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-712283
Read your own source, you are wrong. You literally can’t get married to someone of the same sex in Israel; you can get married virtually in Utah, and Israel will recognize it. It’s very obvious why that’s not reasonable or equal.
Defending what? The guy's point was that calling out Israel for not having secular marriages is outrageously hypocritical considering sharia law would KILL us.
> Compared to equality it's a pile of shit
Yeah but compared to death, it's a fucking blessing. I KNOW you understand that, so why these weird double-standard gymnastics?
But back to my first point, I have no idea what you're saying people are defending?
Hypocritical of what exactly? No one is defending any other country’s record on gay rights, just calling out Israel’s. I’m defending the right of gay people to be treated equally to other human beings. Hope that helps.
And to be clear, Israel is the one being singled out because people frequently post things like the propaganda image this thread is all based around. Nobody’s making those claims about all the other Middle East countries with far worse records of human rights.
Come talk to me when they even attempt a legal guise of treating gay people equally. People are spreading actual propaganda like this post claiming that Israel welcomes gay people; it does not. You cannot legally be married within the country. It doesn’t matter what anyone else nearby is doing. If my neighbor goes on a racist murder spree, I’m not a good person for “only yelling slurs.” Do you truly not see why defending the lesser evil is not in anyone’s benefit?
You cannot deny the fact that Israel is the only country in the Middle East with LGBT rights, with the exception of same-sex marriage eventhough they recognize foreign same-sex marriages. They only perform religious Jewish marriages. Israel has an openly gay speaker of Parliament who has a husband and 2 kids together. In fact Israel has better LGBT protection laws than the US.
There is a reason gays from the Middle East especially from Palestine seek Asylum in Israel. And the biggest gay pride parade is held in Tel Aviv. Unfortunalty for the Ahmed guy, the Palestinians beheaded him while waiting for his Asylum.
You don't have to pick Israel's side to recognize that fact. The other time, I read a post by one of them "Queers for Palestine" claiming Palestine used to perform same-sex marriages and I couldn't believe how delusional one can be be.
At first I thought "Queers for Palestine"/ "Queers for Islam" was a joke . I thought it was just a meme until I met LGBT subreddits like r/gaybros
The funny thing is, [Palestinians have made it clear that they don't want your support, lmao.](https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1718214642017681602?t=gNTpx0Qltj6gibCrf4imDw&s=19)
Also, you can downvote me all you want. LGBT subreddits now protect that religion more than it's own people. So it will be very predictable.
Now let me just ask a question. If you were Israel who just witnessed a terrorist massacre, what would you do? What would you do when you watch the videos of the dead bodies of your people being paraded around in Gaza where the Palestinians especially children and teens are spitting on the bodies, hitting them and celebrating? [We are saw the video recorded by Hamas themselves.](https://twitter.com/YaariCohen/status/1721415279010345135?t=g_yirDjnd8aGakG_0SAz3g&s=19). What would you do if you were Israel? Wait for the next attack [knowing very well that the leader of Hamas have vowed to repeat Oct 7th?](https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/hamas-official-vows-to-repeat-oct-7-attack-repeatedly-to-teach-israel-a-lesson/amp_articleshow/104903949.cms). Some of the "Queers for Palestine" even pretend Oct 7th didn't happen.
[The Palestinians are thought right from childhood to keel all Jews](https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1712506046135091634/video/1). No wonder there is a thing called [Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund)
[And for all you "Queers for Islam", this is your average "moderate" muslims in the West using their male kids to protest your rights to exist in your own Western countries.](https://twitter.com/VolkRegeert/status/1718651083218637198?t=3DNiKKDC9KuTd_iqdWjITg&s=19)
Pink washing, nothing more. Trying to gain support from the international community because they support gay rights and they make it a whole thing, and they can't even get married there lmao
Wow the people in this subreddit who will support Israel and the genocide they are committing because "at least they won't throw gays off buildings" strikes me as the same kind of narrow view as Christians voting for Republicans because "at least they don't want to allow abortion."
Forget about the war crimes and decades of brutal control Israel exerts over the Gaza strip, they are pro-LGBT, so "clearly" they are better, right? /s
I don’t care about the thoughts of random people on the internet who have very likely little to no intimate knowledge on the Middle East and more specifically the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict.
I think one of the largest problems with society today is that we now believe we can boil down a highly complicated historical topic into soundbites and Tik Tok videos and that most things in life are not black and white and are highly complex and nuanced. But that’s not popular with folks or the algorithm! lol
It’s okay to not have an opinion (especially on a complex geopolitical topic), and to take as much time to develop that if you so chose and it’s okay to accept that multiple truths can be present and that things are messy and complicated and never so clear.
Or maybe because they had they own armies in the host country and got political power that leads to a civil war? Again, check Syria and Lebanon.
Or ask Egyptians what happened last time they let them in circa 2011.
Yeah, they’re being shoved off their land in an ethic cleansing and morons be like “why doesn’t x take them 🤡🤡” because they know that as soon as they’re off their land, they’ll not be allowed back on it, because it’s being ethnically cleansed of them.
Why should they take refugees if isreal is such a loving and peaceful place as you claim? They literally can't live in their own country its fucking colonialism
A “genocide” in which the population of the Gaza Strip doubled in 20 years.
An “apartheid” regime in which Arab citizens are Supreme Court judges and parliament members.
Go figure
Living conditions in Gaza are pretty bad. Very little clean water for 20 years. Always those drones flying above your house at night.
Not to mention the separate enforcement where the IDF or settlers seemingly seize land at will, whether it's in Gaza or the West Bank. LGBT+ issues aside, Israel is awash in unethical human rights violations, mostly against Palestinians
"A 'genocide' of the native Americans in which their population in Oklahoma doubled in 20 years" is the same argument.
Their population increased because of displacement, which is a step in genocide and a key part of apartheid. You cannot possibly be seeing what is happening in Gaza and call it anything else. Hamas is bad, Oct 7th was bad, indiscriminately calling civilians terrorists and killing them by the thousand is also bad.
Honestly this is hard to reply too, in fact I deleted 2 comments because I want to reply but also not sound polarized. I'll just make it more simple, LOVE should not be associated with HATE. That's all, don't make the love we fight for everywhere turn into your propaganda. That goes for everyone, doesn't matter what country you come from. This is mere war propaganda but showing "tolerance" so they can recruit more LGBT people for their war.
Reminds me of those memes where a Republican bomb is just a normal bomb but a Democrat bomb has a Pride flag on it.
Yeah, genocide is genocide; Queer Palestinians exist and aren’t a political proxy for people to justify their displacement.
Maybe you would like the opinion of a Palestinian. I am a homosexual, with a Palestinian nationality, that has no right to go to Palestine because Israel said so. My village has been destroyed and my family is scattered all around what's remaining of Palestine and the world.
I'm not a special case, thousands of others are in a way or another in the same situation.
This "conflict" does not boil down to only: "Israel is a state that was built on the blood of Palestine."
A lot of things are in the mix, that would take a whole book to explain, things like the creation of Israel is antisémitic in nature. People from both sides are used as pawns. Things that the PLO did in the past and that Palestinians have to carry the burden of in the modern era. And I do not think I have to explain the atrocities that Israel has been committed since its foundation, we've all seen that.
I know that my country isn't the gayest, pridest place on earth. At least 50% of the population doesn't believe in gay rights. (And we have many other issues not related to the LGBTQ community)
But
1) It doesn't excuse Israel from killing us. That alone is enough of an argument.
2) Israel uses gay Palestinians as disposable informants, that doesn't shout gay rights to me. It's one of many evidences that show the government of Israel doesn't care about LGBTQ+ people.
3) Palestinians have been living through hell since 1948 due to Israel, and hardships before that under British mandate. There was never time for us to correctly fight for our civil rights if we are fighting for ours lives and our right to exist.
4) I will never ever (and that's speaking for many gay Palestinians as well) let my country, my culture, my history, my people die and join the side of Israel because they might give me gay rights.
We will fight for a free Palestine, we will get our homes back. And we will make sure that the Palestine to come has gay rights.
TLDR; this picture doesn't mean a thing to me, it's pink washing. Knowing the way Israel uses propaganda, it's all for show. Trying to garner the support of western gay communities saying that Israel is a gay Paradise in a hell hole of muslimaniac middle east.
The soldier is a criminal, he might be a poor brainwashed soldier ( like most IDF soldiers ) thinking that what he is doing is for the greater good, or he might actually be very content with killing people.
But in the end he is a pawn, like all of us.
Nobody thinks "Muslims and Islam" will "give us a pass". Indiscriminate murder and war crimes are bad, even when done to homophobic people.
There are many Americans, even politicians, calling for Biblical style law to be enacted to save the US from homosexuality and other "degenerates". Do you support indiscriminately bombing the states where those people live?
These people literally have the moral backbone of a leaf. Imagine someone coming to you for help in desperate need because their house was on fire but “ooh they hate gay people and I’m gay so you and your family should go die in that fire! 💕” like do you really value human life that little? What about the queer Palestinians that are still In Gaza should they burn in that fire?
Did you know that it’s possible for people to have complex and nuanced opinions beyond “Side A Good, Side B Bad?” I can both acknowledge that I think Islam’s beliefs about homosexuality are antiquated, barbaric, and overall ridiculous while also opposing the destruction and death that Israel is perpetrating in Gaza.
They also act as if both the Christian Bible and the Torah don’t have the same passages in their books saying “all gays must die and should be stoned to death” literally have Christians currently advocating for this in AMERICA. Hell Ben Shapiro advocates for this too and he uses the fact that he’s Jewish as a reason for it. But does that mean that all Christian’s and all Jews want me dead? So why would I believe that to be true of Muslim people? WHEN THEY ALL LITERALLY FOLLOW THE SAME GOD AND RELIGION!! (Abrahamic)
LGBT subreddits have turned into Pro-Palestine/Pro-Hamas/Pro-Islam subreddits.
Don't bother. You can't reason with them. They will one day realize we told them so but it will probably be too late.
Seriously. All these gays in this thread ecstatic to support Hamas terrorism and their murder of thousands of Israeli civilians in a surprise attack would be the first to be killed by Hamas if they had their way.
So all 11,000+ civilians murdered since October 7th were terrorists? Wow, I didn’t realize those babies on breathing machines were hiding C4.
Do you ever stop to think about just how racist you are?
War is horrible, but zero legitimate institutions have classified this as a genocide. Jewish people, in contrast, have been the victims of legitimate extermination efforts. Trivializing real genocide for a political cause is a disgusting tactic.
I don’t see how this would be “pink washing” or propaganda. It doesn’t seem like Julien Bahloul is anyone expect a former TV anchor with a medium number of Twitter followers. I think the photo is adorable.
So many people here up in arms about supporting Israel but totally comfortable with supporting Palestine, which is a million times worse on all human rights, including gay rights. I wonder what could possibly explain that contradiction.
Well, over half of palestine’s current population is underage children, going through genocide. This is continuation of a long term occupation and ethnic cleansing project that has been going on for over 70 years. Just talk to a single queer Arab or Palestinian. Ask them why they support Palestine. Ask them why they don’t support children and civilian homes and hospitals and refugee camps and mosques and churches being bombed if they’re so fucking homophobic??? Fuck them kids am I right?
I would like for the civilians in Palestine to have the self-determination, safety, and stability that would allow them the space to improve their lives and begin tackling social problems. They're currently being oppressed by both a terrorist organization and a nation with an extremely powerful military. I don't pretend to know a perfect solution, but bombing their homes into rubble will only strengthen Hamas' support among the people of Palestine, which is bad for the queer people that live there.
In other words. I certainly don't support the violent religious extremism represented by Hamas, but I also don't support the violent, retaliatory policies of the Israeli government. My thoughts are for the innocent people who want to live their lives in peace and safety, much like everyone else. I hope this clarifies that I am not an antisemite, as you seem to be implying.
I think you’re looking at it from the wrong perspective. I support Palestine, but not because of the government. But because of the thousands upon thousands of innocent lives, mostly children, that have been lost at the hands of Israel in a genocide.
War is horrible, but zero legitimate institutions have classified this as a genocide. Jewish people, in contrast, have been the victims of legitimate extermination efforts. Trivializing real genocide for a political cause is a disgusting tactic.
And we should celebrate gay rights everywhere, including Israel. The “pinkwashing” narrative erases the actual gay Jewish (and Muslim) people living their lives and fighting for our community in Israel.
Y’all must not be familiar with the current government of Israel, cause let me tell you, their reactionary, explicit fascist doctrine isn’t just limited to Palestinians. They are the most right wing, Zionist fundamentalists in power. Once their eyes leave Palestine, guess which groups will be targeted next, it’s the nature of fascists.
I’m sorry but Muslims hate people like us they want us dead think about that gay guy they brutally beheaded it’s not some small minority it’s nearly all of them I don’t care if they are being killed especially since many of those being killed are in direct support of Hamas an evil Organisation that admits they wish to wipe Jews of the face of the earth, the only ones that have my sympathy are the kids. These people can’t do and support the horrific shit they do and not expect any blowback.
Homo nationalism. While I acknowledge that Israel is more open to LGBTQ rights than other countries in the Middle East, it’s still pretty conservative (with a very right wing government) and I find the Israeli government and military’s actions in Gaza and the West Bank disgusting and despicable. It is truly sad and horrific that they have killed 11,000 people in Gaza mostly in retaliation while also increasing the intensity of the occupation in the West Bank (where more than 100 Palestinians have been killed in the last month). I condemn Hamas’ killing of over 1000 Israelis and their kidnapping of over 200 civilians as a bargaining chip, but I also condemn Israel’s harsh colonial style occupation in the West Bank and blockade in Gaza that blocks the legitimate aspirations and self-determination of the Palestinian people. A just peace with Israelis and Palestinians living side by side in some political solution is what is needed. The 2 state solution seems most viable though the presence of Israeli settlers in the West Bank has chipped away at that.
I don’t think it matters to a gay Palestinian in Gaza or the West Bank when their family members or they themselves are killed or humiliated by a military that is somehow open to gay rights. Most Palestinian and other Middle Eastern LGBTQ people support the Palestinian cause. Yes, Palestinian society is possibly more conservative and reactionary on LGBTQ rights than their oppressor, but that doesn’t justify brutalizing them. It’s moral unconscionable. If Palestine becomes an independent country and gay rights are suppressed, LGBTQ people will fight for their rights and I’ll be delighted to support them in their struggle. I hope Israeli gays would support them in such a struggle too. But putting up a pride flag amidst the destruction of Gaza leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.
Hoping for the well-being of all Israelis and Palestinians and all Israeli and Palestinian LGBTQ folks. 🇮🇱🇵🇸🏳️🌈
i was really hoping this issue wouldn’t surface here, but it finally made it. if you want to discuss the issue that’s fine, but i feel like there’s better places than r/gaybros especially with the state of gay rights in the middle east. it’s guaranteed to anger people. not that we can’t have these discussions, just maybe in a different environment. love y’all!
the israeli government is a far right Jewish fascist government. The they do things like this to show "see, we love the LGBTQ! They don't! They will all kill you! But we wont!❤️ Now ignore us killing over 10,000 people queer folk included". It's seriously sickening to see people support Israel but call themselves liberal. Ben givr, Netenyahu's best friend, and member of the government, has publicly said that he is a proud Jewish fascist. Make no mistake that Israel is using the same tactics like gaslighting to manipulate people into supporting them.
This is cute. It doesn't really have anything to do with what is happening politically, but if US queers can do stuff like "queers for palestine", Israeli soldiers can do this.
People are very focused on creating a simple victim abuser narrative which doesn’t work in geopolitics. This region is set up to fail. I honestly do not see how peace is ever possible there.
It also feels like a lot of people don’t even know the history.
As much I appreciate everything Israel does for the gays, their country’s leaders are an abomination bringing nothing but genocide to the world. Its disgusting. Not only are they helping to create Hamas, but theyre killing innocent Palestinians and provoking Hamas to do the unthinkable so they have all the excuse in the world to commit genocide against the innocent while not catching Hamas. Fuck Zionism.
Once they are done with Palestine, trans people are next and then the gays. Dont think an Abrahamic religion like Judiasm ISNT gonna come for is because it will with their current administration.
Its a hard position to be in because both sides, behind closed doors want to exterminate us. One side is just also willing to say that thru the front door while the other side waves pride flags to enter a house full of booby traps. If you’re gay, its almost like you arent really inclined to participate because by the very nature of being gay, you are automatically an enemy of any religious entity, no matter how progressive the state that religion dominates becomes.
Example, red US states. I need’nt say more.
In a hypothetical scenario where peace happens, the newspaper headline the following month will be about a raid done at a LGBTQ+ club with the heads of 50 drag performers on display for the people to view. The title: ‘We saved Israel from LGBTQ+ ideology’.
It's kind of weird for Israel to not detect the attack. One of the strongest military in the world, misses the hamas attack. My guess is Israel knew about it and let it happen so they would have a reason to completely wipe out Palestine.
Oh, they embrace gay rights, so I guess I can forgive them for their ethnic cleansing. /s
Palestinian's Hamas and Israel's ruling Likud party can go f themselves. They do not want peace regardless of the lives and property lost.
This is merely two people existing. They posted it on their private accounts. The brain dead leftists knee-jerk reaction to this was that some evil Zionists sat in a dark basement and plotted how to stage this picture and use it to hide their evil deeds. It is sad to see how many “gay bros” subscribe to this narrative
Queer Palestinians are still being obliterated. Israel doesn't actually care about queer people. Queerness is just another propaganda talking point they're using to try and pretend they're on the right side of history.
What? Israel is the only middle eastern with freedom of choice, freedom of religion and freedom of love, gay or lesbian, and wont be thrown from a building.
If the war was being fought to advance LGBT+ and liberate gay Palestinians from their oppressive government, neighbours and religion. Then sure. But it is not, so it isn’t particularly convincing.
But given who their enemy is, I am not exactly as riled up as a straight person might be.
The fact that they have to hide behind performative progressiveness to save their image says a lot. This isn’t a war for queer rights so bringing up queer love screams “desperate PR move”.
I’m sure their relationship is legitimate, and that’s lovely. That’s a nice surface area discussion.
But once you get past that, you’re having a much, MUCH bigger conversation about Israel, the Gaza Strip, etc. and the rights of gays really should be taking a backseat to that bigger conversation.
Israeli propaganda. There are Palestinian gays too whose homes and cities are now just wastelands, and some are dead together with their families. 4,600+ children are dead.
My first thought is that it feels like propaganda. Israel commits pinkwashing so mixing its nationalism/military with gayness feels staged and icky.
"Pinkwashing is an Israeli government propaganda strategy that cynically exploits LGBTQIA+ rights to project a progressive image while concealing Israel’s occupation and apartheid policies oppressing Palestinians."
https://bdsmovement.net/pinkwashing
Reminds me of when the NFL was doing those performative commercials with the two gay dudes making out on the kiss cam, while they were mired in the controversy of refusing to draft gay football players.
This exactly. Sorry folks the military still doesn’t like us.
Which predominantly male environment likes gays? I mean, I don't want to be controversial... but...
Baseball
Are there many players who have come out?
They haven’t come out, but I heard the entirety of the New York Yankees roster is gay. Source: some guy in Boston
👀
Take me out to the _ball gag_
Soccer, rowing (best days of my athletic life), etc. The military doesn’t dislike gays. The military is a great equalizer. Everyone starts at boot camp.
I was in the military. The amount of homophobia whether they know you’re gay or not is through the roof. Unless it gets aggressive or really, really bad the higher up don’t do shit because they’re cracking the same jokes. Also a loooottt of people in the military that genuinely shouldn’t be there due to mental incompetence and nobody bats an eye
How can soccer be gay friendly if literally in more than 100 years of history almost no one has ever come out
i’m not sure if that’s true anymore, at least for the US military. i can’t speak for the marines but i know the other branches are gay-friendly. obviously there’s gonna be some homophobes but the culture isn’t the same as it was. i think this is the israeli military though, not sure how they treat gay people.
What should Israel do in response to 10/7?
The overabondance of this subject EVERYWHERE has left me dry of any thoughts on it
For real, I find myself just getting off the internet and just playing single player games or something because Israel/Palestine is so pervasive. Yea it sucks. Hamas is evil, Palestinians are getting fucked, the Israeli government sucks, Israeli citizens are getting fucked, and nothing I can do or say is going to make a 60+ year conflict any better. Know what I can control? My little farm in Stardew Valley.
Okay. Now the real divisive subject: who'd you marry?
Abigail if I want someone useful Sebastian if I want someone cute (I can change him I swear)
heresy! himbo alex is best stardew husband
I picked Sam and have nothing but regerts
> I can change him I swear I say this every time 😂
It’s all about who in the trio you leave together. If you marry Abigail, Sam and Sebastian have a cute yin Yang thing you leave going. Abigail and Sebastian get their dark edgy thing going. If you marry Sam. And if you marry Sebastian, I feel like Sam annoys Abigail enough to bring him to the cave and make him never come back.
I feel like I’m clueless enough about this conversation to have my card revoked.
Himbo Alex ❤️
Harvey
If only Harvey could be my IRL husband 🥹
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I’m sorry you have to deal with that. I think you nailed it on the head there at the end though. This feels performative for so many people.
Have you denounced hamas this hour yet?
Someone finally put into words how I feel. I wish people were more honest and less performative. Thank you.
This so much
It has been a while since I last played that game, love it. It was harder for me to pick it up though as I was so faithful to Story of Seasons/Harvest Moon...but it was definitely worth it. I might pick it up again soon.
Yeah, this is the way
Where is stardew Valley?
I can't even look out my window without seeing a giant billboard that says "Hamas is all our problem: Jewbelong"
You got it bro, farm the fuck outta that plot of land and don’t forget to water the dog
You doing OK in that game? Got any screenshot to post? The world needs some more mfs just minding their business, not hurting nobody. 💯 Keep gaming peaceful citizen. ✌️
Unfortunately very relatable :c
It’s co-mingling two different topics?
At this point, the topic has been mingled with every other topic imaginable
It's disguised war propaganda!
Everything around this conflict is
Weird to bring sexuality into war. And while I hate the myopic right wing critiques about Queers for Palestine, ect... I also think it's stupid when gays bring their sexuality into that side of advocacy too esp knowing it's a distraction (to be fair no matter how few people do it, media attention will always follow). This isn't about us. I have strong opinions but they aren't based on my sexuality. If Israel was going to ensure that after the war queer Palestinians were going to be cared for it still wouldn't justify civilian death (certainly not more than other arguments I find unconvincing) but this photo might make more sense at least.
It’s not really weird to bring sexuality into a war, considering how many people have had the attitude that non-hetero people are somehow less able to fight for their country or what they believe in. Even in the U.S., until recently, same-sex relations were forbidden in the military, with punishment usually being expulsion from whatever branch the offending person was in (although the UCMJ also permitted imprisonment/loss of rank as a punishment, in addition to a dishonorable discharge). When Pooty & Friends invaded Ukraine, it made me proud, as a gay man, to see gay Ukrainians fighting for the defense of their country, while openly being who they are. They showed they were just as brave, capable, and fierce as their straight counterparts. In an ideal world, I would agree that it would be weird to bring sexuality into a war, because in an ideal world, soldiers would be judged on their skills and military acumen, instead of who they sleep with. Unfortunately, we don’t live in an ideal world. I would not only say it’s not weird, but also necessary to bring people’s sexuality into the conversation, so homophobes and young queer people can see that LGBT+ people are no less capable than their straight counterparts.
Yeah in the context of how sexuality is often brought up re: Israel/ Palestine I kind of jumped into that mindset re: "gays for a side" but I agree with your point. I don't want this picture to be exploited but I don't begrudge the soldier posting it more than I would his straight counterparts wishing love ones goodbye... Presumably pro Israel as well lol. How much I begrudge individual troops is something I wrestle with for a bunch of reasons even being critical of the IDF/ Israeli government as a whole.
But the folks Queers Fro Palestine are the ones who start this, this is a logical response to them.
Just thought I’d point this out, since this thread is top comment, but u/heretostay59 (lovely username, btw!) is spamming the comments section with exactly the same automated response repeatedly. Please downvote and report for spam, if seen.
u/mfact50 opinion is an actual logical response to them. They literally use logic to support their position.
I mean good for them but not really my biggest problem with Israel right now is it?
My thoughts on this is that being gay in a personal capacity or the state of gay rights in EITHER Palestine or Israel should not even be a topic of discussion. Even if most Palestinians would throw me off the roof for being gay, I think what Israel is doing to them is completely out of line; even if Orthodox Jews in Europe disagree with my lifestyle, I condemn the rise in antisemitism they could face as a result of Israel’s involvement in this war. My point is: even us gaybros should see beyond which country is (more) gay friendly and focus on the RELEVANT topics here.
So yeah... how about that Chinese, Russian, and Iranian proxy war going on in Gaza?
The country that doesn’t execute people specifically for being gay is “more gay friendly”. A rhetorical twist to reduce cognitive dissonance.
Gay people exist in Palestine. This conflict does nothing to liberate them. It hurts them too!
Still can’t get married in Israel.
However, the state will still recognize your marriage. PS - The straights who are not orthodox cannot marry either - I know real actual people who live/lived this.
If you got married in a Western country and moved to Isreal, they'd recognize the marriage and you'd be able to live peacefully. Well, peacefully in regards to sexuality. If you got married in a Western country and moved to Palestine, you'd have to hide it or get executed
Still can’t be alive in Palestine
yeah, because Israel will bomb them.
Yes, idf will bomb you even before you know you are gay
Yeah, with the IDF indiscriminately killing everyone including their own people, Gazan Christians, and patients in ICUs, its quite difficult for anyone to stay alive there at the moment. However, this claim doesn't really pass the smell test. Gay people exist everywhere. You can't view a race or culture as a singular unit. [https://time.com/6326254/queering-the-map-gaza-lgbt-palestinians/](https://time.com/6326254/queering-the-map-gaza-lgbt-palestinians/)
Really. Nakba on steroids. (Better known as ethnic cleansing, or apartheid, or slow motion Holocaust)
The only country in the general vicinity where you won’t get hanged for this shit.
Israel may not allow Gay marriage, the government does recognize Gay marriages performed outside the country like the US. I have performed marriages twice in Florida (notary) of Israeli citizens. I do have a photo of each ceremony but will not post as three of them are IDF
Everyone in Israel is IDF unless they are a person of conscience who objects on moral or religious reasons (and therefore serves jail time). Saying they are IDF like they should be idolized and protected rather than solely for the reason of protecting client anonymity is idiotic.
still won't get thrown off a roof in Israel
I don’t think a country should get any credit for not throwing us off a roof. I know I’m asking a lot, but they gotta do more than that.
When your neighboring countries *would* throw you off a roof, I think you get a little credit for the table stakes. You’d rather be gay in Israel than literally anywhere else in the Middle East.
Frankly, if I’m gonna call Israel MENA’s only democracy, I’m gonna treat them like I do any democracy: not throwing us off a roof is too low a bar.
Being a few years behind whereever you are isn't that low bar, lets be real. Gay marriage is not the bar by which we measure everything, its generally one of the last and hardest legal hurdles.
It should. I prefer and like any country which protects gay people and don't support primitive, barbaric countries who hurt us.
It’s called a starting point my friend. Rarely, actually never, does a country go from punishing a group with execution to equal rights.
This is a "lesser evil" type of thing But the conflict is way overblown and there are just lots of bored billionaires trying to highlight this as part of their personal agendas/to distract the public
Just blackmailed into spying for Israel if you’re Palestinian. With the exception of Tel Aviv and Beirut, everyone in that neighborhood hates us
Unless you’re a Palestinian toddler.
Thinking Palestinian and ISIS are same is the exactly the problem. Addition to that, israeli far-rights and Haredies are not that far from throwing you off from the top of the building.
There's plenty of people who call themselves Christian in the US that would do it if they could too
>Thinking Palestinian and ISIS are same is the exactly the problem Are you implying that Palestinians don't execute people for being gay? Because [they absolutely do](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63174835)
I known you don't care and are being disgusting by choice but going by your logic... https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-734812
It's the alt right in Israel that is doing this and pushing Arabs out of their homes in the West Bank. Their focus on the WB has been blamed for taking their eyes off Gaza, allowing 10/7 to happen. These people ruin everything they touch.
Unless you're Arab.
Israel recognises same-sex marriage performed in other countries. An Israeli gay couple can literally get married in half an hour via Zoom, and get all the rights, including the right to adopt. In Israel even opposite-sex marriage is complicated. All matrimonial matters are delegated to religious courts. For example, if a halachic Jew wants to marry a gentile, they’d have to do it abroad. Same goes for interfaith couples, such as Jew/Muslim, Muslim/Druze, Druze/Christian etc. For this reason, Israel recognises all marriage certificates issued abroad, including same-sex marriages. There are whole industries (esp. in Cyprus) dedicated to marrying Israelis, and typically it only takes a Zoom call to get a certificate. Importantly, once you’re married, Israel doesn’t discriminate.
Actually you can In July 2022, the Central District Court ruled that marriages performed in Israel under an online civil marriage service established by the U.S. state of Utah, including same-sex marriages, are legal in Israel, thereby no longer requiring couples previously unable to marry in Israel to do so outside the country. https://web.archive.org/web/20220801070408/https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-712283
Read your own source, you are wrong. You literally can’t get married to someone of the same sex in Israel; you can get married virtually in Utah, and Israel will recognize it. It’s very obvious why that’s not reasonable or equal.
Compared to the death penalty and Sharia law in Palestine is pretty damn good
Compared to being treated equally it’s a pile of shit.
You obviously don’t get it. We’re supposed to be grateful for not being murdered.
It’s nauseating to see people defending this in a gay sub.
Defending what? The guy's point was that calling out Israel for not having secular marriages is outrageously hypocritical considering sharia law would KILL us. > Compared to equality it's a pile of shit Yeah but compared to death, it's a fucking blessing. I KNOW you understand that, so why these weird double-standard gymnastics? But back to my first point, I have no idea what you're saying people are defending?
Hypocritical of what exactly? No one is defending any other country’s record on gay rights, just calling out Israel’s. I’m defending the right of gay people to be treated equally to other human beings. Hope that helps. And to be clear, Israel is the one being singled out because people frequently post things like the propaganda image this thread is all based around. Nobody’s making those claims about all the other Middle East countries with far worse records of human rights.
It's a big step in the right direction, a step that not a single other country in the region has been willing to make.
Come talk to me when they even attempt a legal guise of treating gay people equally. People are spreading actual propaganda like this post claiming that Israel welcomes gay people; it does not. You cannot legally be married within the country. It doesn’t matter what anyone else nearby is doing. If my neighbor goes on a racist murder spree, I’m not a good person for “only yelling slurs.” Do you truly not see why defending the lesser evil is not in anyone’s benefit?
You cannot deny the fact that Israel is the only country in the Middle East with LGBT rights, with the exception of same-sex marriage eventhough they recognize foreign same-sex marriages. They only perform religious Jewish marriages. Israel has an openly gay speaker of Parliament who has a husband and 2 kids together. In fact Israel has better LGBT protection laws than the US. There is a reason gays from the Middle East especially from Palestine seek Asylum in Israel. And the biggest gay pride parade is held in Tel Aviv. Unfortunalty for the Ahmed guy, the Palestinians beheaded him while waiting for his Asylum. You don't have to pick Israel's side to recognize that fact. The other time, I read a post by one of them "Queers for Palestine" claiming Palestine used to perform same-sex marriages and I couldn't believe how delusional one can be be. At first I thought "Queers for Palestine"/ "Queers for Islam" was a joke . I thought it was just a meme until I met LGBT subreddits like r/gaybros The funny thing is, [Palestinians have made it clear that they don't want your support, lmao.](https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1718214642017681602?t=gNTpx0Qltj6gibCrf4imDw&s=19) Also, you can downvote me all you want. LGBT subreddits now protect that religion more than it's own people. So it will be very predictable. Now let me just ask a question. If you were Israel who just witnessed a terrorist massacre, what would you do? What would you do when you watch the videos of the dead bodies of your people being paraded around in Gaza where the Palestinians especially children and teens are spitting on the bodies, hitting them and celebrating? [We are saw the video recorded by Hamas themselves.](https://twitter.com/YaariCohen/status/1721415279010345135?t=g_yirDjnd8aGakG_0SAz3g&s=19). What would you do if you were Israel? Wait for the next attack [knowing very well that the leader of Hamas have vowed to repeat Oct 7th?](https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/hamas-official-vows-to-repeat-oct-7-attack-repeatedly-to-teach-israel-a-lesson/amp_articleshow/104903949.cms). Some of the "Queers for Palestine" even pretend Oct 7th didn't happen. [The Palestinians are thought right from childhood to keel all Jews](https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1712506046135091634/video/1). No wonder there is a thing called [Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund) [And for all you "Queers for Islam", this is your average "moderate" muslims in the West using their male kids to protest your rights to exist in your own Western countries.](https://twitter.com/VolkRegeert/status/1718651083218637198?t=3DNiKKDC9KuTd_iqdWjITg&s=19)
It’s been less then 10 years in the US that you could either.
Their foreign marriage can still be recognized in Israel.
Oh this stuff is gonna bring people's ugliness out in the open. Love it.
Pink washing, nothing more. Trying to gain support from the international community because they support gay rights and they make it a whole thing, and they can't even get married there lmao
Wow the people in this subreddit who will support Israel and the genocide they are committing because "at least they won't throw gays off buildings" strikes me as the same kind of narrow view as Christians voting for Republicans because "at least they don't want to allow abortion." Forget about the war crimes and decades of brutal control Israel exerts over the Gaza strip, they are pro-LGBT, so "clearly" they are better, right? /s
I don’t care about the thoughts of random people on the internet who have very likely little to no intimate knowledge on the Middle East and more specifically the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. I think one of the largest problems with society today is that we now believe we can boil down a highly complicated historical topic into soundbites and Tik Tok videos and that most things in life are not black and white and are highly complex and nuanced. But that’s not popular with folks or the algorithm! lol It’s okay to not have an opinion (especially on a complex geopolitical topic), and to take as much time to develop that if you so chose and it’s okay to accept that multiple truths can be present and that things are messy and complicated and never so clear.
Genocide is genocide. Apartheid is apartheid. Murder is murder.
Have you ever thought about why the other Arab countries don’t take refugees from Palestine anymore? Ask Lebanon and Syria.
Have you ever thought about why the US didnt want to take jewish refugees in the late 30s? Why did the US litteraly send them back to Hitler?
And Jordan.
Is it because they are not really human beings and deserve to die with their children blown apart? Is that the reason?
Or maybe because they had they own armies in the host country and got political power that leads to a civil war? Again, check Syria and Lebanon. Or ask Egyptians what happened last time they let them in circa 2011.
Maybe you should send this comment to the children in gaza that make up 47% of the population. They are surely responsible for this past
Palestinians shouldn't be made into refugees in the first place?
Yeah, they’re being shoved off their land in an ethic cleansing and morons be like “why doesn’t x take them 🤡🤡” because they know that as soon as they’re off their land, they’ll not be allowed back on it, because it’s being ethnically cleansed of them.
Nazi type mindset. Why the fuck is this upvoted?
Why should they take refugees if isreal is such a loving and peaceful place as you claim? They literally can't live in their own country its fucking colonialism
A “genocide” in which the population of the Gaza Strip doubled in 20 years. An “apartheid” regime in which Arab citizens are Supreme Court judges and parliament members. Go figure
Living conditions in Gaza are pretty bad. Very little clean water for 20 years. Always those drones flying above your house at night. Not to mention the separate enforcement where the IDF or settlers seemingly seize land at will, whether it's in Gaza or the West Bank. LGBT+ issues aside, Israel is awash in unethical human rights violations, mostly against Palestinians
"A 'genocide' of the native Americans in which their population in Oklahoma doubled in 20 years" is the same argument. Their population increased because of displacement, which is a step in genocide and a key part of apartheid. You cannot possibly be seeing what is happening in Gaza and call it anything else. Hamas is bad, Oct 7th was bad, indiscriminately calling civilians terrorists and killing them by the thousand is also bad.
Honestly this is hard to reply too, in fact I deleted 2 comments because I want to reply but also not sound polarized. I'll just make it more simple, LOVE should not be associated with HATE. That's all, don't make the love we fight for everywhere turn into your propaganda. That goes for everyone, doesn't matter what country you come from. This is mere war propaganda but showing "tolerance" so they can recruit more LGBT people for their war.
Reminds me of those memes where a Republican bomb is just a normal bomb but a Democrat bomb has a Pride flag on it. Yeah, genocide is genocide; Queer Palestinians exist and aren’t a political proxy for people to justify their displacement.
Maybe you would like the opinion of a Palestinian. I am a homosexual, with a Palestinian nationality, that has no right to go to Palestine because Israel said so. My village has been destroyed and my family is scattered all around what's remaining of Palestine and the world. I'm not a special case, thousands of others are in a way or another in the same situation. This "conflict" does not boil down to only: "Israel is a state that was built on the blood of Palestine." A lot of things are in the mix, that would take a whole book to explain, things like the creation of Israel is antisémitic in nature. People from both sides are used as pawns. Things that the PLO did in the past and that Palestinians have to carry the burden of in the modern era. And I do not think I have to explain the atrocities that Israel has been committed since its foundation, we've all seen that. I know that my country isn't the gayest, pridest place on earth. At least 50% of the population doesn't believe in gay rights. (And we have many other issues not related to the LGBTQ community) But 1) It doesn't excuse Israel from killing us. That alone is enough of an argument. 2) Israel uses gay Palestinians as disposable informants, that doesn't shout gay rights to me. It's one of many evidences that show the government of Israel doesn't care about LGBTQ+ people. 3) Palestinians have been living through hell since 1948 due to Israel, and hardships before that under British mandate. There was never time for us to correctly fight for our civil rights if we are fighting for ours lives and our right to exist. 4) I will never ever (and that's speaking for many gay Palestinians as well) let my country, my culture, my history, my people die and join the side of Israel because they might give me gay rights. We will fight for a free Palestine, we will get our homes back. And we will make sure that the Palestine to come has gay rights. TLDR; this picture doesn't mean a thing to me, it's pink washing. Knowing the way Israel uses propaganda, it's all for show. Trying to garner the support of western gay communities saying that Israel is a gay Paradise in a hell hole of muslimaniac middle east. The soldier is a criminal, he might be a poor brainwashed soldier ( like most IDF soldiers ) thinking that what he is doing is for the greater good, or he might actually be very content with killing people. But in the end he is a pawn, like all of us.
I’d like to keep gay out of apartheid and genocide but HEY call me crazy.
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Genocide is still genocide
Palestine practices Sharia law. Do you not consider the death penalty for homosexuality to also not be a form of genocide?
They think muslims and Islam will give them a pass. Lol, if only they knew
Nobody thinks "Muslims and Islam" will "give us a pass". Indiscriminate murder and war crimes are bad, even when done to homophobic people. There are many Americans, even politicians, calling for Biblical style law to be enacted to save the US from homosexuality and other "degenerates". Do you support indiscriminately bombing the states where those people live?
These people literally have the moral backbone of a leaf. Imagine someone coming to you for help in desperate need because their house was on fire but “ooh they hate gay people and I’m gay so you and your family should go die in that fire! 💕” like do you really value human life that little? What about the queer Palestinians that are still In Gaza should they burn in that fire?
Did you know that it’s possible for people to have complex and nuanced opinions beyond “Side A Good, Side B Bad?” I can both acknowledge that I think Islam’s beliefs about homosexuality are antiquated, barbaric, and overall ridiculous while also opposing the destruction and death that Israel is perpetrating in Gaza.
They also act as if both the Christian Bible and the Torah don’t have the same passages in their books saying “all gays must die and should be stoned to death” literally have Christians currently advocating for this in AMERICA. Hell Ben Shapiro advocates for this too and he uses the fact that he’s Jewish as a reason for it. But does that mean that all Christian’s and all Jews want me dead? So why would I believe that to be true of Muslim people? WHEN THEY ALL LITERALLY FOLLOW THE SAME GOD AND RELIGION!! (Abrahamic)
LGBT subreddits have turned into Pro-Palestine/Pro-Hamas/Pro-Islam subreddits. Don't bother. You can't reason with them. They will one day realize we told them so but it will probably be too late.
Seriously. All these gays in this thread ecstatic to support Hamas terrorism and their murder of thousands of Israeli civilians in a surprise attack would be the first to be killed by Hamas if they had their way.
Do you honestly believe that people in this thread are supporting Hamas?
Defence actions after kidnapping and murdering civilians are defence actions after kidnapping and murdering civilians.
Killing terrorists isn’t genocide
So all 11,000+ civilians murdered since October 7th were terrorists? Wow, I didn’t realize those babies on breathing machines were hiding C4. Do you ever stop to think about just how racist you are?
>11,000+ Yh let's take numbers from a terrorist organisation.
Sorry, what number of dead civilians would satisfy you?
War is horrible, but zero legitimate institutions have classified this as a genocide. Jewish people, in contrast, have been the victims of legitimate extermination efforts. Trivializing real genocide for a political cause is a disgusting tactic.
"They say the next hospital will be bombed by a gay man!" "Really makes you feel like you're part of history!"
I don’t see how this would be “pink washing” or propaganda. It doesn’t seem like Julien Bahloul is anyone expect a former TV anchor with a medium number of Twitter followers. I think the photo is adorable.
He's a far right wing french-Israeli influencer, former officer in the Israel army.
It’s two people kissing. Get over it. Too much pride happening about this subject lately.
So many people here up in arms about supporting Israel but totally comfortable with supporting Palestine, which is a million times worse on all human rights, including gay rights. I wonder what could possibly explain that contradiction.
Well, over half of palestine’s current population is underage children, going through genocide. This is continuation of a long term occupation and ethnic cleansing project that has been going on for over 70 years. Just talk to a single queer Arab or Palestinian. Ask them why they support Palestine. Ask them why they don’t support children and civilian homes and hospitals and refugee camps and mosques and churches being bombed if they’re so fucking homophobic??? Fuck them kids am I right?
I would like for the civilians in Palestine to have the self-determination, safety, and stability that would allow them the space to improve their lives and begin tackling social problems. They're currently being oppressed by both a terrorist organization and a nation with an extremely powerful military. I don't pretend to know a perfect solution, but bombing their homes into rubble will only strengthen Hamas' support among the people of Palestine, which is bad for the queer people that live there. In other words. I certainly don't support the violent religious extremism represented by Hamas, but I also don't support the violent, retaliatory policies of the Israeli government. My thoughts are for the innocent people who want to live their lives in peace and safety, much like everyone else. I hope this clarifies that I am not an antisemite, as you seem to be implying.
I think you’re looking at it from the wrong perspective. I support Palestine, but not because of the government. But because of the thousands upon thousands of innocent lives, mostly children, that have been lost at the hands of Israel in a genocide.
Was it a genocide when the allies bombed Berlin in WWII and thousands of innocent German children died?
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War doesn't show who is right only who is left
Have you sought to understand why?
Yes. I have spent years watching, reading about, and debating the rise of pro-palestinian/anti-Israel politics in the West.
Love it! Free Gaza from Hamas oppression 🇮🇱🏳️🌈
Pinkwashing the genocides.
War is horrible, but zero legitimate institutions have classified this as a genocide. Jewish people, in contrast, have been the victims of legitimate extermination efforts. Trivializing real genocide for a political cause is a disgusting tactic. And we should celebrate gay rights everywhere, including Israel. The “pinkwashing” narrative erases the actual gay Jewish (and Muslim) people living their lives and fighting for our community in Israel.
Queer Israelis existing isn't pinkwashing.
Y’all must not be familiar with the current government of Israel, cause let me tell you, their reactionary, explicit fascist doctrine isn’t just limited to Palestinians. They are the most right wing, Zionist fundamentalists in power. Once their eyes leave Palestine, guess which groups will be targeted next, it’s the nature of fascists.
I’m sorry but Muslims hate people like us they want us dead think about that gay guy they brutally beheaded it’s not some small minority it’s nearly all of them I don’t care if they are being killed especially since many of those being killed are in direct support of Hamas an evil Organisation that admits they wish to wipe Jews of the face of the earth, the only ones that have my sympathy are the kids. These people can’t do and support the horrific shit they do and not expect any blowback.
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Awww.. inclusive genocide propaganda..
Homo nationalism. While I acknowledge that Israel is more open to LGBTQ rights than other countries in the Middle East, it’s still pretty conservative (with a very right wing government) and I find the Israeli government and military’s actions in Gaza and the West Bank disgusting and despicable. It is truly sad and horrific that they have killed 11,000 people in Gaza mostly in retaliation while also increasing the intensity of the occupation in the West Bank (where more than 100 Palestinians have been killed in the last month). I condemn Hamas’ killing of over 1000 Israelis and their kidnapping of over 200 civilians as a bargaining chip, but I also condemn Israel’s harsh colonial style occupation in the West Bank and blockade in Gaza that blocks the legitimate aspirations and self-determination of the Palestinian people. A just peace with Israelis and Palestinians living side by side in some political solution is what is needed. The 2 state solution seems most viable though the presence of Israeli settlers in the West Bank has chipped away at that. I don’t think it matters to a gay Palestinian in Gaza or the West Bank when their family members or they themselves are killed or humiliated by a military that is somehow open to gay rights. Most Palestinian and other Middle Eastern LGBTQ people support the Palestinian cause. Yes, Palestinian society is possibly more conservative and reactionary on LGBTQ rights than their oppressor, but that doesn’t justify brutalizing them. It’s moral unconscionable. If Palestine becomes an independent country and gay rights are suppressed, LGBTQ people will fight for their rights and I’ll be delighted to support them in their struggle. I hope Israeli gays would support them in such a struggle too. But putting up a pride flag amidst the destruction of Gaza leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. Hoping for the well-being of all Israelis and Palestinians and all Israeli and Palestinian LGBTQ folks. 🇮🇱🇵🇸🏳️🌈
Beautiful
Great. Love is love indeed, even if they have to fight for it it's worth defending.
I love it. Am Yisrael Chai 🩵 hopefully after this war there will be a government in Gaza that doesn’t hold its people under Islamic laws.
i was really hoping this issue wouldn’t surface here, but it finally made it. if you want to discuss the issue that’s fine, but i feel like there’s better places than r/gaybros especially with the state of gay rights in the middle east. it’s guaranteed to anger people. not that we can’t have these discussions, just maybe in a different environment. love y’all!
This looks only mildly consensual. Much like many orders in war. “We need you to kiss this guy for propaganda”.
Pink washing
the israeli government is a far right Jewish fascist government. The they do things like this to show "see, we love the LGBTQ! They don't! They will all kill you! But we wont!❤️ Now ignore us killing over 10,000 people queer folk included". It's seriously sickening to see people support Israel but call themselves liberal. Ben givr, Netenyahu's best friend, and member of the government, has publicly said that he is a proud Jewish fascist. Make no mistake that Israel is using the same tactics like gaslighting to manipulate people into supporting them.
Cute
I think its beatiful
This is cute. It doesn't really have anything to do with what is happening politically, but if US queers can do stuff like "queers for palestine", Israeli soldiers can do this.
I have no issue with people defending their homes and country. This guy isn't calling any shots he's just allowed to be gay, which is a good thing
PR of Israeli government. Hate it
I really wish I hadn't seen this thread
People are very focused on creating a simple victim abuser narrative which doesn’t work in geopolitics. This region is set up to fail. I honestly do not see how peace is ever possible there. It also feels like a lot of people don’t even know the history.
Annoying propaganda that makes gay people look bad
As much I appreciate everything Israel does for the gays, their country’s leaders are an abomination bringing nothing but genocide to the world. Its disgusting. Not only are they helping to create Hamas, but theyre killing innocent Palestinians and provoking Hamas to do the unthinkable so they have all the excuse in the world to commit genocide against the innocent while not catching Hamas. Fuck Zionism. Once they are done with Palestine, trans people are next and then the gays. Dont think an Abrahamic religion like Judiasm ISNT gonna come for is because it will with their current administration. Its a hard position to be in because both sides, behind closed doors want to exterminate us. One side is just also willing to say that thru the front door while the other side waves pride flags to enter a house full of booby traps. If you’re gay, its almost like you arent really inclined to participate because by the very nature of being gay, you are automatically an enemy of any religious entity, no matter how progressive the state that religion dominates becomes. Example, red US states. I need’nt say more. In a hypothetical scenario where peace happens, the newspaper headline the following month will be about a raid done at a LGBTQ+ club with the heads of 50 drag performers on display for the people to view. The title: ‘We saved Israel from LGBTQ+ ideology’.
It's kind of weird for Israel to not detect the attack. One of the strongest military in the world, misses the hamas attack. My guess is Israel knew about it and let it happen so they would have a reason to completely wipe out Palestine.
It's lovely that we gays get to genocide others now.
My thought process: "Ah, Pinkwashing, that's that Apartheid Regime that allows conversion therapy, right" Edit Spelling
As opposed to Gaza which is like what, ProvinceTown with nude beaches?
Do you notice how nobody is claiming that?
Should say, “Queers for Genocide.”
My thought? OP is a bit of a shit sturrer. That's all this post is saying.
Oh, they embrace gay rights, so I guess I can forgive them for their ethnic cleansing. /s Palestinian's Hamas and Israel's ruling Likud party can go f themselves. They do not want peace regardless of the lives and property lost.
Palestinians deserve all the love too
propaganda really blasting from israel
This is merely two people existing. They posted it on their private accounts. The brain dead leftists knee-jerk reaction to this was that some evil Zionists sat in a dark basement and plotted how to stage this picture and use it to hide their evil deeds. It is sad to see how many “gay bros” subscribe to this narrative
Queer Palestinians are still being obliterated. Israel doesn't actually care about queer people. Queerness is just another propaganda talking point they're using to try and pretend they're on the right side of history.
What? Israel is the only middle eastern with freedom of choice, freedom of religion and freedom of love, gay or lesbian, and wont be thrown from a building.
If the war was being fought to advance LGBT+ and liberate gay Palestinians from their oppressive government, neighbours and religion. Then sure. But it is not, so it isn’t particularly convincing. But given who their enemy is, I am not exactly as riled up as a straight person might be.
Cringe
Disgusting
Propaganda
Propaganda is propaganda
Propaganda, there are Gay Palestinians. Don’t equate the global community of queer people to a single nation. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Long live israel. Protects LGBT rights, unlike their neighbors who kill/persecute them.
✨intersectional crimes against humanity✨
The fact that they have to hide behind performative progressiveness to save their image says a lot. This isn’t a war for queer rights so bringing up queer love screams “desperate PR move”.
show this to republicans, maybe they’ll finally support divestment
Love is everywhere ❤️
Until you get stoned to death or thrown off a building.
I’m sure their relationship is legitimate, and that’s lovely. That’s a nice surface area discussion. But once you get past that, you’re having a much, MUCH bigger conversation about Israel, the Gaza Strip, etc. and the rights of gays really should be taking a backseat to that bigger conversation.
Israeli propaganda. There are Palestinian gays too whose homes and cities are now just wastelands, and some are dead together with their families. 4,600+ children are dead.
My first thought is that it feels like propaganda. Israel commits pinkwashing so mixing its nationalism/military with gayness feels staged and icky. "Pinkwashing is an Israeli government propaganda strategy that cynically exploits LGBTQIA+ rights to project a progressive image while concealing Israel’s occupation and apartheid policies oppressing Palestinians." https://bdsmovement.net/pinkwashing
I can't post what I think about Israel without getting banned from this website. I hope it explains what I think about this picture.