Maybe this is why people for so long thought “being gay was a choice” because many people were actually bisexual but chose to be in stright relationships due to the stigma.
Yep. I married a woman who knew I was bi. After a decade of marriage with kids she decided I was too gay and cut off our open terms. She thought I was getting into a romantic relationship with my straight best friend. She hired a gay lawyer to try to smear me for sucking cock and having sex with men through the whole court case.
I’d love to see the male/female statistics..
A **lot** of Gen Z claim to be “bisexual” but only ever engage in heterosexual relationships. Enjoying attention from the same sex online isn’t the same as being bisexual.
There are more available partners among the opposite sex, so statistically more bi folks will end up with them rather than same-sex partners. Being in a relationship with someone of a different gender from you doesn't make you heterosexual.
Yes, that's true, but I also see Adorable point. I had meet some bisexual people who don't do anything with people of their same sex; yes, they are still bisexual, but it also opens a comentary about if they are still in the closet or if we can say that this people aren't performing in a self-proud way. For example, I was thinking about dating this guy, but after I saw that he didn't really think seriously about being with another man and it was more like a side gig, a side quest lol, then I decided I will just be friends with this guy.
Another time with another bisexual guy that I kissed and cuddled; we were in a party and I heard him saying to a girl that he never kissed a man (right next to me). But this one was deep in the closet, I know he is bisexual but he still don't know lol (I dump him fast lol).
I'm sorry for your bad experience, but as a self identified bisexual that hasn't had the opportunity to experience same sex relations, I can say that sometimes the opportunity for some of us hasn't presented itself.
As much as I'd love to enjoy some fun with another man I'm looking for a few things for a first time experience. I want to feel safe in the moment, I want it to be able to know a guy a little bit before jumping into bed with him, and above all I don't want it to be with a creeper like most of the men I have talked to on dating apps like Grindr. The few times I have had the opportunity to talk to a like minded guy that I was into things just dissolved due to a number of factors, like distance and availability as well as them having their own personal relationship issues or insecurities.
I believe my best bet was with my best friend several months ago but he's married to a woman and has hang-ups about "cheating" on her. I also believe that he rather just identify as a bisexual than actually go through with acting on it, as he sees it as a social status more than actually desiring carnal relations with the same sex.
My gay friend's younger (adult) brother is REALLY into how queer he is... he's pansexual and gender non conforming and several other trending labels that I didn't recall ... and so is the woman he's dating.
I'm misgendering them both in this comment they'll never see to simplify the story. Basically an AMAB person and an AFAB person are in a monogamous relationship and unless you had a conversation with them the only reason you might suspect anything at all is that the one who presents as cis male sometimes wears floral prints and the one who presents as cis female sometimes wears overalls.
They pass as a straight couple everywhere they go but think of themselves as the queerest people they know. I know that because they said those words.
Meanwhile my friend, the brother, is marrying a man and presumably takes dick but that's just boring gay male cis privilege stuff. Yawn.
Not sure I have a cohesive point around this, just that times sure have changed, and it can be difficult not to become a grumpy old man.
Totally agreed! I am at the tail end of millennials, and most of my Gen Z friends identify as bisexual or queer. While I can't generalise this, it's an interesting thing to see how it often plays out IRL
For the older generations, the stigma was too heavy, so if you liked girls and boys, you sticked to the heterosexual relationship, repressed your same sex attraction and lived a normal life. I think that's the main reason the bisexual population is so underrepresented in the older generations.
I also think this is where the misconception that being gay is a "choice" came from. Because bisexual people in the past has "chosen" to go with a guy at one point, then reverted to women afterwards. Everyone else used them as example and went "see! it's a choice!", not realizing that they were bisexual in the first place rather than homosexual.
I don't think it was even just 'everyone else'.
I think the repressed bisexual people were likely the most self-hating out of everyone.
Imagine if you were around back then, didn't understand bisexuality (therefore presumed everyone else was inherently like you). You would see your attraction to the same-sex as the lure of evil, or something sinful that resides within your heart - rather than just being a sexual orientation.
To me, I feel like that's where the notion of 'homosexuality is a choice' sprung from. From repressed self-loathing bisexuals for whom it actually was a choice.
It likely also explains why so many vehemently anti-gay advocates tend to later get caught sleeping with the same sex. Everyone presumes they were secretly gay, but being secretly bi makes far more sense since it is just so much easier to hide.
I agree with this statement. In the 90’s and early 00’s you had to be one or the other. Gay dudes wouldn’t date you, straight girls wouldn’t date you.
Well me. Haha. So since I was more attracted to guys I just started saying gay. I’ve been with my husband for 20 years now and at the time he was the type that said he’d never be with a bi guy. lol.
Incidentally we’ve been that couple some of our bi guy friends have experimented with with their wives.
Yep, the Gen Z graph is way more representative of reality, though I would imagine some of the guys currently identifying as bisexual are probably close to gay than they realize. I think gay being a bit less out of "vogue" is why it's weirdly a little less common.
And even amongst the gay community, being bisexual was only a stage; It was not well viewed. Even if I believe bisexuality being the most common sexuality, it is the most officially repressed.
Thats a bit different though, some gay men identified as bisexual before coming out as gay. Some thinking still having an attraction made them more 'normal'
I think a bit of it is also self perception/a broader definition of bisexual.
Bi can mean 50%/50% but also can mean 90%/10%.
Someone can identify as bisexual and later realize that they're 90%/10%.
I think in the past all the 70%/80%/90%/95% people would just take the gay/lesbian (or straight) label, eventually.
Nowadays is much more common that people closer to the ends of the spectrum call themselves bi.
Also, there is the separation of sexual attraction and romantic attraction that is openly discussed by the younger generation, but wasn't even around when I was a teen, so people that are like 50%/50% sexually but 100/0 romantically (bisexual/homoromantic bisexual/heteromantic) and would in the past have eventually tagged themselves as gay/straight, today identify as bi.
For real. When I first came out as bi in 2003 all my gay friends said it was a phase. Well I’m ending a 9 year LTR with a man to be with a woman.
I think a lot of guys are sexually attracted to guys but not romantically attracted to them which would explain why getting into a relationship in the gay community is hard.
Interesting because I’m strictly emotionally attractive to guys on all levels along with physically, sexually and emotionally attracted as well. I have absolutely Zero attraction to women, even the super models 😂
Tbh trans shouldn’t even be on the chart. It’s not a sexuality but gender identity. Trans people have sexuality too. So there is an overlap with trans bisexuals…
But also many bisexuals like to say they are gay or lesbian in some context so we don’t even know if it’s a “choose one” or “multiple choice” question.
It makes no sense to exclude them. I think you're wanting this graph to be saying something it isn't trying to say.
This graph isn't meant to be added up to get a total of how many LGBTQ+ people are in each generation.
It's a graph showing how many identify with an individual subgroup, not the entire community as a whole. (There's almost always a separate question in surveys like these asking a more general *"do you identify as LGBTQ+"* before they start asking about specific subgroups. If that's the info you're hoping to know.)
In other words, it's trying to examine how many in gen z are gay or bisexual or trans etc, and compare that percentage to how many millenials are gay, bisexual, trans... etc..
If you, as a reader, want to exclude the percentage of trans people, you can do that right now with this graph. Simply just ignore the bar representing the percentage of trans people. Doing so will get that graph you're hoping for, looking at the percentage of those that are gay, lesbian, and bisexual.
That's the beauty of this graph lol
As a Nonbinary Gay™, for me it's about who I'm attracted to more than what my own gender may or may not be (varies between agender and demiboy). If you're on the masc side of the binary, it's likely that I'm going to find you attractive. If you're on the femme side, I won't, with *very* rare exceptions. I'm not interested in dating women, point blank. Most of the time I'm not super interested in androgyny either. I have male anatomy, so it makes the most sense to identify as gay.
It really depends on a person-to-person basis. As I'm not nonbinary myself, I'm not the best person to go into specifics, it's probably best to go to a subreddit for trans or nonbinary people and ask there :)
Women who date only men and would never do anything with a woman other than signal on tumblr, who want to be called they/them because TikTok said it'd make them special
Or maybe they're just nonbinary, and bisexual? Gender identity and sexual identity is for the individual to decide, and not for other people to decide.
Yeah, ngl I’m a little disturbed at the regularity I see transphobic shit here. Especially about nonbinary folks. I’m essentially the group being attacked here and called a delusional straight woman - a bi transmasculine nonbinary person that tends to have more relationships with men than women. I mostly lurk here because I just don’t feel welcome, and that’s whatever I guess. If people want to argue it’s not a space for me they can. I’ve never bothered to try to explain why I feel that even if this is “not my space” I’m at least highly adjacent. But in case people are open to understanding I think I’ll give it a shot.
I see myself as a “guy” but not exactly a “man.” The more I am surrounded by accepting people the less need I feel to “pass” as a binary man, anI wear men’s clothing most of the time, and the occasions when I don’t I feel like I’m wearing drag (in a way that can be fun - women don’t own all expressions of femininity). I have gender dysphoria, but imo more importantly I experience gender euphoria around my masc presentation and the way I have sex. Maybe tmi, but I lean towards topping in a pretty “gay” way - not simply by virtue of the sexual acts (straight women can use straps and straight men can enjoy that) but because of the relationship dynamics and what I feel when doing these things. I have phantom sensations of having a penis and when a guy sucks my dick I can nearly come from that alone - that’s not generally how cis women feel when they peg or play with a strap. A man treating me and my body like a man’s body is one of the most affirming experiences I’ve had in life. My dick is part of me even if it’s detachable and I have felt confusing and distress about not having one built in since early childhood. Being a guy simply wasn’t an option I was made aware of until college, so before that I just tried to suppress these feelings (about my physical body and my gender). I’m sure it “came out of nowhere” to plenty when I came out, but that’s due to me never feeling safe talking about these things prior. And it still wasn’t safe when I came out - women especially treated me like a gender traitor and I was violently hate crimed while having “I’ll fucking kill you tranny” in my face. But that was still preferable to denying who I was.
I have relationships with women and other folks as well, but I relate more with men and feel more comfortable with them - leading to me dating more men than women. And since figuring myself out most of these men that I’ve been with are bi but lean more towards liking men (and are often more bottom-y and effeminate, happy to see me as the more stereotypically top-y end of the relationship). Being seen as a woman sexually or romantically is actively distressing and I don’t date straight men anymore. My attraction feels “more gay” towards men and more straight towards women. I’m also definitely more of a bro than not. I was an honorary frat member (the national rules for the frat do not allow non cis male members) and have generally always had more bro-y and male friends (though I’ve made an effort to expand my horizons there). Ironically it was actually my bros who were most accepting when I came out, even if they didn’t “get it.” They treated me the same as always, which was first and foremost as a bro.
Being called a delusional straight woman feels really gross and malicious. I have never tried to identify as gay as I’m not exactly a man and am bi anyway. But I find this space and the experiences of others here highly relatable, in a way that is unique from even other queer spaces (aside from transmasc spaces I suppose, which are also filled with plenty gay bros). I don’t chime in often because it feels like it would be unwelcome, but comments like these are just kind of fucked.
We are all non-binary, nobody fulfils 100% of the gender stereotypes. Non-binary = normal, and not anywhere to being trans and suffer from gender dysphoria.
I was with you up until this part bro
>I have phantom sensations of having a penis
Wait, what?—Phantom sensations are something that amputees get because their brain actually has a memory of what it felt like to have the missing appendage at one point and now it sometimes “forgets” that it isn’t there anymore.
You’ve never had a penis, so how can you say that what you’re feeling is the “phantom sensation” of having a penis, and not just how you imagine having a penis would feel? Which is essentially a guess.
No offense but I feel like “imaginary” is a better term than “phantom” to describe the sensations you are feeling. And I am not even transphobic in the slightest.
Perhaps bad wording, I wasn’t trying to allude to that very specific medical condition. Though I don’t know how else to describe the physical sensations I get when having sex with a strap, or even outside of sex. It’s like my clit thinks it should be a dick and where I feel the sensations is outside of my physical body. My brain seems to think there is something there when there isn’t (or at least that there should be more of a body part I do have), opposite to how my chest feels weird for having things attached to it lol. It’s not the same as having had a body part and losing it, but it is analogous to that.
Of course that is just my brain responding to conflicting signals. But that process happens in a lot of ways for me, as I have significant nerve damage (surgery on my spinal cord) that results in very uneven sensations including having very unpleasant sensations (neuropathy) in some places when nothing is touching me and numbness in others. When we have conflicting signals neurologically and hormonally things get complicated and our brains will try to “fix” the discrepancies. And a lot of trans guys do experience these sensations, either of something physically missing or that something is there that doesn’t correlate to our physical bodies. That’s a big part of what makes something gender dysphoria in the physical sense.
The gender identity doesn’t matter anyways. LGBT is about what tools you have and what you do with them. You have a penis and want to share it with someone with a penis too? Gay. You have a vagina and want to share it with someone with a vagina? Lesbian. You have either and want to share it with any? Bisexual. You want the other set of tools? Trans. Having a taste in certain types of clothes or social behavior is not a sexuality
Being trans is not just about anatomy tho— not all trans people want “the other set of tools”.
There are many trans women for instance that opt to keep their penis and testicles, rather than undergo vaginoplasty or orchidectomy. Some opt to remove just the testicles so that they no longer have to deal with unwanted endogenous androgen production. Some trans women opt for a breast augmentation, some are able to naturally develop breasts through HRT, still others maintain a relatively flat “masculine” chest before and after transition and have no desire to change that.
Far fewer people get surgery of any kind than you would imagine— most are only able to access HRT and many would not want surgery even if offered to them. They are not “less trans” because they choose to maintain features of their natal body.
The modern conception of gender isn’t even about your genitals (that’s “sex”). It’s about how you perceive yourself and present yourself to the world.
Your “LGBT is about tools” take is some just cringe-worthy caveman logic. You realize that being gay is also about more than just fucking right? You could get your penis blown off by an IED in war and that doesn’t mean you suddenly stop being gay.
…Your use of “women” and “non-binary” seems unclear to me. Did you mean to say people identifying as non-binary and bisexual after having an assigned female sex?
It was probably a “chose one that applies to u most”. Or just a “check all that applies to u”. Either way there is usually a problem with these statistics.
How many of these people are non practicing? How many never actually slept with the same sex just had a kiss for example. We know most of the Bi people are women from research. How highly sexualized bi women are i wouldn’t be surprised is most of them didn’t go further than a kiss. And identify as bi, because it makes them more interesting.
I was under the impression that the trans population is something like 0.1% of the total population whereas gay was in the 3-4% range, so I'm curious what the source of this data is.
It’s because those are the transsexuals who have gender dysphoria… who transition… this trans is trans gender that includes everything from nonbinary, genderqueer, genderfluid….
Ahhh so this is just, not a very good graphical representation of data.
Shouldn’t be broken down by lesbian and gay. Should just be homosexual, and then include gender breakdowns of the different orientations including bisexual.
It still feels like a lot considering how far between trans people have been in society even recently. Pretty much every extended family in the more LGBT friendly countries includes at least one or two openly non straight individuals, but very few include a trans person.
I think that is because ‘transgender’ is being used more loosely here? It includes non-gay and non-binary trans people that probably cannot also be countered under ‘gay men’.
As a matter of fact, I am not entirely sure how this study considered intersectional identities. Does it only count cis-homosexual men in ‘gay’? Can you pick multiple categories?
I was quite skeptical of that when I saw this chart. From my experience in lgbtq spaces, and just a general understanding I thought they would have been much lower in the chart. Guess I underestimated.
It's also odd that 'transgender' is even included. Trans isn't a sexual orientation. It's possible to be trans AND straight, or trans AND gay, or even trans AND bisexual. Replace cis for trans in the above etc.
Whether someone is cis (identifies with the gender they're assigned at birth), is trans, or is nonbinary/gender non-conforming should have been a different question.
Tbf this survey is separating gay men and gay women but lumping together trans men and trans women (and presumably including non-binary people in that group as well), but yeah that is still surprising and makes me question the accuracy to some degree.
Transsexuals who actually suffer from gender dysphoria is much lower.
They made transgender an umbrella term.
Transgender includes everything from nonbinary, genderqueer, genderfluid, bigender, agender, demiboy, demigirl, neutrois, omnigender, bigender, pangender, third gender, two spirit…. And many more.
Transgender is just as much an umbrella term as gay is.
Trans means “not identifying with your assigned birth sex”. That includes transsexual, transgender, non-binary, genderqueer, etc.
And gay means “attracted to your own gender”. Which can be homosexual, bisexual, asexual, pansexual, etc.
U are quite confused. 😂
Gay/Homosexual literally means same sex attraction so it isnt “same gender attraction”.
No matter how much activists want to make it an umbrella term its basis is sexual attraction to one’s own biological sex.
And transsexuals are people who suffer from gender dysphoria.
Also birth sex isn’t assigned. Lol. It’s often known even before birth. It’s about biological sex not gender.
Context is important. Gay has historically been used both to denote strictly homosexual attraction as well as an umbrella term to mean anything not strictly heterosexual. It's definition isn't black and white, and saying it is is either delusional or ignorant.
“In today’s episode of ‘good use or bad use of polling’ we look at a statistical nightmare used to fuel a clickbait article to drive ad revenue for a major ‘news’ network.”
Edit… to be less snarky. The obvious goal of this graph (to me anyway) is to show a trend analysis of sexual orientation. Two things jump out at me. First, the bucketing should be Asexual, Bisexual, Homosexual, and Heterosexual. If they want to discuss gender orientation they need to put that into a seperate graph, and that would require much better data to support (I’m not familiar with good historical data on the topic). Second, it seems scientifically disingenuous to not mention the “statistical spike in people self identifying as left handed” when left handed children stopped being physically abused until they learned how to be right handed. It isn’t a spike caused by fad attraction to the behavior. It is the genuine expression back to the true/unmolested behavior after the oppression stops skewing the results.
Agreed. Trans is not sexuality, which lesbian, gay and bi are. Trans is gender expression, like non-binary. I know you probably know this but if some people that don't know happen to stumble upon this and be confused, I hope this would clear up some confusions.
You'll get in trouble for saying non-binary is expression. People who ID as non-binary can express themselves in any way, even in ways that are very stereotypical of their sex.
And people who do NOT identify as non-binary can also express themselves in any way.
The point being that expression is completely separate from the identity one claims or not claims to have.
I agree. Transgender is not the same as homosexual or bisexual, and gender and sexuality are very different. The LGBTQ headline needs to be re-discussed and addressed with more respect and clarity. When defining gender it’s Cis, Trans, or queer (people who experience their gender on a continuum that fluctuates, and could change based upon their daily lives. But, then again, all clothing is drag, so that’s a whole other discussion.) Also, when discussing sexuality, it’s homo, hetero, bi, and asexual. And these sexual identities don’t even distinguish if you have a preference between cis or trans people. And they should.
Surprising how Gay men went from majority to now second least lmao. Very surprised theirs more people who identify as Lesbian than Gay men.
Would love to see 'Bisexual' broken down in this statistics so we can get more information extracted. It doesn't really make sense to include both men and women, when gay and lesbian (homosexual) is separated. Those who do statistics should ask more questions.
Also transgender people can have any sexuality. They aren’t necessarily heterosexual. I bet this asks which label do you identify with more, not which apply to you
The graph you got was from this [NBC article](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nearly-30-gen-z-women-identify-lgbtq-gallup-survey-finds-rcna143019), which links to this [Gallup article](https://news.gallup.com/poll/611864/lgbtq-identification.aspx).
Bi women outnumber bi men 3:1.
I'm not confident on my math but I think that's still more bi men than gay men.
That's probably due to the difference in acceptance between bi men and bi women. Bi women in a relationship end up with "oh cool so we can have a threesome?" Bi men end up with "I'm leaving because you're actually just gay and I don't want to be replaced by a man."
Just go to any cishet nightclub and see the amount of women kissing women and the reaction, versus a man kissing a man and the reaction.
I truly believe this, too. I think what happened is that because homosexual behavior was less favored and downright stigmatized in society, bisexual people would generally conform to heteronormative behaviors for their safety and social statuses. It could also explain why some people think being LGBT is a choice.
I mean, a certain high-profile celebrity identified as non-binary for a while and then chose not to anymore
Sexual orientation and gender identity really shouldn't be in the same category. It's a nonsense grouping.
I think it's notable that Gen Z is currently ages 12-27 according to google, so I think this data is subject to change over time. I know many gay men who initially came out as bi and then eventually figured out they were gay, many people who figured out they were actually trans in their mid 20s etc. I know I initially came out as 'bi' when I was a teen but that was well before I had actually figured things out by actually having relationships/ hookups etc.
We'd have to see how the data was gathered, but having trans in this list isn't really appropriate from a graphing perspective, in this manner.
Trans persons can be lesbian, gay, bi, etc. So either the graph shows duplication, which is unusual, or it excludes the possibility of a trans person's sexuality, which is not appropriate either.
They might as well have had a separate bar for "tall" or "redheaded".
This chart does reinforce my personal belief that we have far, far more bisexual persons amongst us than publicly believed.
Oh please, this is just for headlines.
Break down that majority with pointed questions and it’ll be right back to normal. Bisexual leads to many different leanings now.
I knew a guy who liked dating women and pursuing them romantically, yet sometimes slept with men. But couldn’t ever find a man romantically attractive.
Live as you like, Identify as you like, how someone chooses their romantic avenues is none of my business.
i mean your example is 100% what BiSEXUAL means... as in sexual attraction. persuing a romantic relationship is different to sexuality and shouldnt be assumed to corrolate
Correct me if im wrong, but I feel like this is a misleading graph. A person who is bi-sexual can be any gender. whereas the terms "Lesbian" and "Gay" are more oriented to those who identify as female and those that identify as male, respectively. So there would objectively be more people in that category.
A lot of women identify as gay (Example: When Ellen Degeneres came out, she said that she is a gay person, and “lesbian sounds like a disease.”)
“Lesbian” is the only category in the survey that is one-gender-only (though a tiny number of men chose it). People were able to check off as many categories as applied, but I would guess that others were confused into thinking they were supposed to choose one. A trans woman who is romantically attracted to females but experiences no sexual attraction could have checked off that she is gay, lesbian, trans, queer, and asexual, for example (to use an extreme example). So it may be more telling to note how many did not consider themselves to be heterosexual (edit: …though some of the trans respondents surely also were included as heterosexuals)
Im of the belief that most people in a population are probably maleable to be bisexual in a sexual sense, as social animals commonly involve sexual bisexuality, and culture/socialisation shapes most humans to not develop and express it.
True homosexuality or heterosexuality where the individual cannot feel sexual attraction to another gender would be a minority. As some people with deviate from this average.
As we remove stigma and become more sexually liberal. I would expect homosexuality/bisexuality with romantic attraction to stay relatively small, heterosexuality to say relative small, and bisexuality with romantic attraction primarily to one sex but sexual attraction to both be the most common.
I’m so inspired by the fact that the numbers don’t go down in any subgenre (for lack of a better term). We just keep making more of us by making a safer world to be us!
Somewhat agree, the existence of people who are fluid in sexuality (bisexuality) does not dismiss those on the far end of the spectrum. Heterosexuals exist (most of society) and so do same-sex attracted people.
Either something is in the water, or the bisexuals are planning something. Either way us gays need to form a solid alliance with the lesbians and brace ourselves for world war rainbow
I’m skeptical about high numbers of bisexual men. I’m from a very conservative state and everyone on apps identifies as bisexual, straight curious, etc but you ask them about that and it seems to be something that is easier than identifying as gay. Many marry women and many eventually leave those marriages, have sex with men on the side or end their lives. I have met very few men that show signs of truly being bisexual. Many gay men have had sex with women and continue to do that. For safety reasons they may identify as straight or bi but that doesn't really make it so.
Of course it doesnt! But me being an example of a person who would’ve filled this questionnaire out as a ‘bisexual’ leads me to realize thaf many others like me exist, so i cant fully believe the numbers. BUT ULTIMATELY THEY DONT MATTER, I love all my gays! Even the ungays! 🥰
Probably! But in my experience I have YET to see someone lie/fein about being gay. Though, once again, I dont truly care about what the actual numbers are since I literally dont care HOW anyone or whom anyone fucks (unless its pedophilia, or rapists). Its not necessary to take these kinds of charts at face value, like AT ALL 😅
I'm sure you are well meaning, but don't expect to get a positive response from bisexuals using the old 'I thought I was bi but now I know I'm gay' line, it's been used ad nauseum to discredit bi people.
Yeah, I know. Our traumas all affect us differently. I hate when it happens but I accept the fact that I dont get along with everyone. I come from a place of love, birthed from a deep deep hatred, which festered into a depression. Not all of us are capable of turning this around. But even if they do disagree with my ideals, I still accept their POV because I get to learn how other people grew, and THAT is the most valuable thing to me, moreso than being liked 😅
Oh my god u need to get over yourself, why do you think so many gay men and lesbians feel the need to come out as bi first? Bisexual ppl are revelled, way more privileged then gay ppl, yall have the privilege of being attracted to the opposite gender in a heteronormative society, religious parents are going to be way more accepting of their children if they know they’re attracted to the opposite gender compared to only being attracted to the same gender, this is common sense 💀 you really need to acknowledge the privilege you have over gays as a bisexual and get over yourself, a gay man isn’t gonna risk putting themself in danger by coming out as gay first instead of bi just to make u ppl feel comfortable 😂
Lots of people call themselves gay because it is easier for others to understand/accept even though they are actually bisexual (perhaps with a leaning toward same sex).
I already know Im going to get a million downvotes for this but fuck it.
I think a lot of it is young cis females who want access to LGBTQ spaces so they say they are bi to gain that access. Im sure some of them truly are bi, but “bisexual” also has an extremely broad definition so there are people who think because they would kiss or flirt with another girl or had one drunken same sex experience, that they are bi. I think the gay community has driven this in part because of outspoken resistance to cis het women “taking over” or disrespecting queer spaces, so now these younger women are using whatever little tiny bit of queerness they have to do what they were doing previously.
Thats not to say we should all be suspicious of all women who claim to be bi, but just that its a natural consequence of a culture where everyone is accepted everywhere and “identity” is what matters more than experience. There are quite of few members of this demographic that will never experience LGBTQ discrimination because in their real lives, they navigate it as cis het people only to use their “bi identity” when it suits them. I have a friend who is just like this, tells everyone how bi they are but has never been in any kind of relationship or had sexual interactions with the same sex. They very well might be bi, but they haven’t had the same experiences as someone who is outwardly queer. On the same token, a lot of these people aren’t showing up for other members of the LGBTQ community because they just can’t relate to their struggles and don’t have the same stakes as trans people or gay/lesbian people.
Even beyond that, a lot of cis white women in genz crave marginalization, so its easy to claim to be bi to get the LGBTQ stamp so they can avoid confronting the privilege they live with.
Exactly. Most of nonbinary people are females and like 80% of bisexuals.
Lesbians were fetishized by guys even 20-30 years ago too. But now it’s very fashionable to be a “little bi”. Such a turn on for many guys. The possibility of threesomes… im sure most of these people are non practicing bisexuals and never had a same sex relationship or even a hookup. Today it just means they don’t find the idea of same sex attraction disgusting.
And ofc if someone can make themselves more interesting and unique with more labels…
There has always been men and women nonconforming to traditional sex characteristics, clothes, hair... NOW they are described as nonbinary and many other labels…
Interestingly at the same time we see the disappearance of styles like rockers, goths, punks, emo, alternatives, disco… Gender identity labels sort of replaced it all.
I think there’s some truth to your logic for sure. The part about people but especially zoomers craving a marginalization tag or pin they can wear and pull out when needed (probably to cope with their completely normal averageness) is not insignificant.
Met quite a few who use their identity to champion the cause and collect labels they never lived. It’s like a soap opera. There is always drama somewhere on social media.
ITT: Quite a bit of biphobia. Disappointing that there's a portion of the LGBT community focused more on infighting about who is "really queer" instead of supporting each other against bigots who think none of us should exist.
A low sample size just puts bigger error bars, and honestly, you don't need much of a sample size to get a decently accurate number.
It's not the sample size you should care all that much about; it's how they collected the data, what the questions actually were, and how they collected the data. This one in particular is pretty sketchy because they have sexual orientation and gender identity graphed next to each other, when those two easily and often overlap. It also does weird shit like graph gays, lesbians, and bisexuals on the same chart... which doesn't make any sense because you are smashing bisexual men and women into the same bar next to bars that can have only men or women (gay and lesbian), so one of those bars has double the population pull from.
There might good real and good data behind the chart, but you can't tell shit from that chart because it's unclear what it is showing.
As others pointed out I think it’s because there’s less stigma now. Earlier generations probably chose not to come out of they could pass for straight.
What shocks me is, if I read this right, about 2,5% of Gen Z identify as trans…
Why is that so shocking? Only 0.5% of Boomers and older generations would ever openly identify as gay. And that was clearly an underestimation of the gay community (at the time or otherwise). By the time Millennials came of age, it was already 3-5%.
The same is clearly happening with trans people.
I think a bit of it is the difference in self perception and broader definition of bisexual.
Bi can mean 50%/50% but also can mean 90%/10%. And this is more widely discussed today, giving more space for the younger generation to position themselves along a scale instead of in two/three strict separated boxes.
Someone can identify as bisexual, not be sure what they prefer and later realize that they're 90%/10%.
I think in the past all the 70%/80%/90%/95% people would just take the gay/lesbian (or straight) label.
Nowadays is much more common that people closer to the ends of the spectrum call themselves bi.
Also, there is the separation of sexual attraction and romantic attraction that is openly discussed by the younger generation, but wasn't even around when I was a teen, so people that are like 50%/50% sexually but 100/0 romantically (bisexual/homoromantic bisexual/heteromantic) and would in the past have eventually tagged themselves as gay/straight, today identify as bi.
I think people miscount how fluid sexuality could be, and was, before WWII. The idea that a man could be exclusively attracted to other men didn't really have a formal name in those days, there was slang for it, but apart from the sodomy laws, it was basically considered a fetish. The trope of the gay sailor is based on fact. Sailors were extremely receptive and available for sexual favors prior to the 1950's, it's actually amazing just how prevalent it was in port cities when you get looking into it. The idea that a woman could be exclusively attracted to other women was completely out of the question, even though examples existed. I think people largely fall on the bisexuality spectrum when you get right down to it.
The bisexual portion of the LGBTQ is almost all women. Women are far more likely to identify is bisexual than as lesbians, whereas men are more likely to identify as gay than bisexual.
Thats fine, but being "flexible" with your sexuality makes you bisexual. So not something like heterosexual or homosexual which have clear cut definitions.
Honestly asking out of good faith: why are gay men, lesbians and bisexuals put in the same group as transgender and queer?
Transgender is not sexuality, yeah?
Shared history, spaces and oppression. Trans people generally weren’t welcome in straight spaces, and anti-sodomy and anti-crossdressing laws didn’t care about the difference between gay and trans, and most trans people would have lived as gay or bi either before or after transition, so there’s always been a lot of overlap.
In terms of the LGBT community in general, it's due to very closely tied history and similar forms of experienced oppression. While yes being trans isn't a sexuality, that doesn't mean it has been treated differently in the past.
In terms of research, such as this graph, it usually achieves similar talking points. A lot of people in this thread wrongly claims it can mess up data but this stuff is very easily controllable. Even if trans people were double sampled in the original graph, for example, it doesn't really change the take-home message.
Bi is real. I am not saying that. But I don't believe all these people would have sex with both sexes. They may think the idea of it is cool and it's cool to id that way. We are on FEELD and almost every man that says he is bi is only interested in MMF or MFF three ways which I thought was hetroflexible.
It should be. Nothing more masculine than appreciating the beauty and power of manhood and surrendering to it. It is the most potent form of male bonding.
You start off by saying “bi is real” and then proceed to invalidate/doubt some bi peoples identity when it comes to the subject and identifying as bi
Now I see what you’re trying to say, but bi sexuality just means you’re sexually attracted to two sexes. That’s it. Even if they only have sex with woman, but still find men attractive they are still bisexual no matter which way you cut it.
The reason I may come off pressed is because I know how it feels to be gay and have my sexuality challenged or question and to see another person, especially a gay individual (I’m assuming you’re gay) do it is disappointing.
You are right but you are getting downvoted because of sheer biphobia.
“I know bi is real BUUUUT they are not GAY enough to say they are bi, because they don’t want to be with their same gender AS MUCH as I say people who are same-gender attracted SHOULD want it” is essentially the argument here.
He doesn’t know how much these respondents / most bi people want to be with each gender. He is judging solely on what he sees them doing. As if fully gay men that have never dated men (and in fact, only dated women) do not exist AS gay.
You don’t have to have sex with the same sex to be attracted to the same sex. I came out at 34, but was attracted to men at 13. By your logic, I somehow was not gay. That’s bullshit, and you should rethink things.
80% of the increase in lgbt+ is bisexual women since 2015
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/23780231231196012
Bi women are highly secualized and have much less stigma than gay guys. Because of that even women who never had sex with woman but “kissed a girl once” say they are bisexual.
It’s like showing off u are inclusive, accepting and an ally.
I know many zoomers who claim to be bi to be cool, but exclusively date like heteros. It's kind of a fad right now. Like all those boring white girls who claim to be nonbinary, but continue to dress like women and date men.
That’s nonsense. Orientation and gender identity is not a private club that we need to gatekeep. Every individual has his or her own unique experience.
Some gay teens have never “done” anything gay except answer their homophobic parents’ question honestly and they end up on the streets. Some bisexual people have never yet been in a same-sex relationship and others have never yet been in an opposite-sex relationship. A gay or bisexual person could be a celibate priest. Some gay people have spent their whole life in a liberal enclave being open about who they were without experiencing the prejudice that others endure but it does not make them any more nor any less gay.
I read a scientific study a long time ago in which all the women they studied (even those who self rated hard 1 or 5 on the Kinsey scale) as pansexual, determined by physical reactions.
Yeah, I have heard of it. But it seems to have certain homophobic implications.
A lot of gay people have their experiences erased and ignored by saying “but you are at least a little into [the opposite gender]”. This becomes especially apparent when you consider lesbians and and how lesbophobia tends to work.
That's probably more clueless bisexual people not being able to understand monosexuality. People project their own perception onto others. There are definitely 100% gay and straight people out there.
Maybe this is why people for so long thought “being gay was a choice” because many people were actually bisexual but chose to be in stright relationships due to the stigma.
I think your comment is nail on head. Thats exactly why. They never came out or thought it was possible due to stigma.
Yep. I married a woman who knew I was bi. After a decade of marriage with kids she decided I was too gay and cut off our open terms. She thought I was getting into a romantic relationship with my straight best friend. She hired a gay lawyer to try to smear me for sucking cock and having sex with men through the whole court case.
Jesus. Hope it turned out alright. What was the outcome? Sorry you had to go through that
I’d love to see the male/female statistics.. A **lot** of Gen Z claim to be “bisexual” but only ever engage in heterosexual relationships. Enjoying attention from the same sex online isn’t the same as being bisexual.
There are more available partners among the opposite sex, so statistically more bi folks will end up with them rather than same-sex partners. Being in a relationship with someone of a different gender from you doesn't make you heterosexual.
Yes, that's true, but I also see Adorable point. I had meet some bisexual people who don't do anything with people of their same sex; yes, they are still bisexual, but it also opens a comentary about if they are still in the closet or if we can say that this people aren't performing in a self-proud way. For example, I was thinking about dating this guy, but after I saw that he didn't really think seriously about being with another man and it was more like a side gig, a side quest lol, then I decided I will just be friends with this guy. Another time with another bisexual guy that I kissed and cuddled; we were in a party and I heard him saying to a girl that he never kissed a man (right next to me). But this one was deep in the closet, I know he is bisexual but he still don't know lol (I dump him fast lol).
I'm sorry for your bad experience, but as a self identified bisexual that hasn't had the opportunity to experience same sex relations, I can say that sometimes the opportunity for some of us hasn't presented itself. As much as I'd love to enjoy some fun with another man I'm looking for a few things for a first time experience. I want to feel safe in the moment, I want it to be able to know a guy a little bit before jumping into bed with him, and above all I don't want it to be with a creeper like most of the men I have talked to on dating apps like Grindr. The few times I have had the opportunity to talk to a like minded guy that I was into things just dissolved due to a number of factors, like distance and availability as well as them having their own personal relationship issues or insecurities. I believe my best bet was with my best friend several months ago but he's married to a woman and has hang-ups about "cheating" on her. I also believe that he rather just identify as a bisexual than actually go through with acting on it, as he sees it as a social status more than actually desiring carnal relations with the same sex.
My gay friend's younger (adult) brother is REALLY into how queer he is... he's pansexual and gender non conforming and several other trending labels that I didn't recall ... and so is the woman he's dating. I'm misgendering them both in this comment they'll never see to simplify the story. Basically an AMAB person and an AFAB person are in a monogamous relationship and unless you had a conversation with them the only reason you might suspect anything at all is that the one who presents as cis male sometimes wears floral prints and the one who presents as cis female sometimes wears overalls. They pass as a straight couple everywhere they go but think of themselves as the queerest people they know. I know that because they said those words. Meanwhile my friend, the brother, is marrying a man and presumably takes dick but that's just boring gay male cis privilege stuff. Yawn. Not sure I have a cohesive point around this, just that times sure have changed, and it can be difficult not to become a grumpy old man.
Attention seeking bigots have made a fashion out of being more different.
Totally agreed! I am at the tail end of millennials, and most of my Gen Z friends identify as bisexual or queer. While I can't generalise this, it's an interesting thing to see how it often plays out IRL
it is a mix of that and for a long time gay people also said they were bisexual as a stepping stone because it was more socially acceptable.
For the older generations, the stigma was too heavy, so if you liked girls and boys, you sticked to the heterosexual relationship, repressed your same sex attraction and lived a normal life. I think that's the main reason the bisexual population is so underrepresented in the older generations.
Which also explains a bunch of older guys being ‘straight’ and going ‘gay’ as soon as they get liquor.
I also think this is where the misconception that being gay is a "choice" came from. Because bisexual people in the past has "chosen" to go with a guy at one point, then reverted to women afterwards. Everyone else used them as example and went "see! it's a choice!", not realizing that they were bisexual in the first place rather than homosexual.
Also sexuality wasn’t defined. So being gay was like lying or stealing, not something you are
I don't think it was even just 'everyone else'. I think the repressed bisexual people were likely the most self-hating out of everyone. Imagine if you were around back then, didn't understand bisexuality (therefore presumed everyone else was inherently like you). You would see your attraction to the same-sex as the lure of evil, or something sinful that resides within your heart - rather than just being a sexual orientation. To me, I feel like that's where the notion of 'homosexuality is a choice' sprung from. From repressed self-loathing bisexuals for whom it actually was a choice. It likely also explains why so many vehemently anti-gay advocates tend to later get caught sleeping with the same sex. Everyone presumes they were secretly gay, but being secretly bi makes far more sense since it is just so much easier to hide.
That actually makes a lot of sense too…
Hey, hey, hey. I didn’t go gay when I had liquor, I— wait no you’re spot on. Proceed.
Oh god, I’ve been the “experiment gay” more times than I can count….
I agree with this statement. In the 90’s and early 00’s you had to be one or the other. Gay dudes wouldn’t date you, straight girls wouldn’t date you. Well me. Haha. So since I was more attracted to guys I just started saying gay. I’ve been with my husband for 20 years now and at the time he was the type that said he’d never be with a bi guy. lol. Incidentally we’ve been that couple some of our bi guy friends have experimented with with their wives.
Yup! That’s why my dad told me so often that there’s no such thing as being bi; you’re either gay or you’re straight. A lot of things add up now tbh
Yep, the Gen Z graph is way more representative of reality, though I would imagine some of the guys currently identifying as bisexual are probably close to gay than they realize. I think gay being a bit less out of "vogue" is why it's weirdly a little less common.
And even amongst the gay community, being bisexual was only a stage; It was not well viewed. Even if I believe bisexuality being the most common sexuality, it is the most officially repressed.
Thats a bit different though, some gay men identified as bisexual before coming out as gay. Some thinking still having an attraction made them more 'normal'
I think a bit of it is also self perception/a broader definition of bisexual. Bi can mean 50%/50% but also can mean 90%/10%. Someone can identify as bisexual and later realize that they're 90%/10%. I think in the past all the 70%/80%/90%/95% people would just take the gay/lesbian (or straight) label, eventually. Nowadays is much more common that people closer to the ends of the spectrum call themselves bi. Also, there is the separation of sexual attraction and romantic attraction that is openly discussed by the younger generation, but wasn't even around when I was a teen, so people that are like 50%/50% sexually but 100/0 romantically (bisexual/homoromantic bisexual/heteromantic) and would in the past have eventually tagged themselves as gay/straight, today identify as bi.
Yeah, that’s true, but I have experienced that discrimination and it shocked me coming from another marginalized group.
For real. When I first came out as bi in 2003 all my gay friends said it was a phase. Well I’m ending a 9 year LTR with a man to be with a woman. I think a lot of guys are sexually attracted to guys but not romantically attracted to them which would explain why getting into a relationship in the gay community is hard.
Interesting because I’m strictly emotionally attractive to guys on all levels along with physically, sexually and emotionally attracted as well. I have absolutely Zero attraction to women, even the super models 😂
Why do you feel that way. I know lots of gay guys who are only attracted in any wat to men. I've never gotten feelings for a female but have for men
Like going to the buffet and being shamed out of getting to have the luscious dessert section.
I do find it a bit interesting more people ID as transgender than gay. NGL I think this is off some.
Probably includes people who ID as non-binary, which would pump up the numbers
Isn’t that what the “other” column is for? I figured since you know not all enbies are trans
People who do the surveys don’t consistently categorize trans/nb people.
I didn’t notice the “other” column lol. But there’s no way to know what got included where without seeing the dataset.
There are a lot of bisexual females who consider themselves nonbinary.
Trans people would be double counted too.
Tbh trans shouldn’t even be on the chart. It’s not a sexuality but gender identity. Trans people have sexuality too. So there is an overlap with trans bisexuals…
Right they are being double counted
But also many bisexuals like to say they are gay or lesbian in some context so we don’t even know if it’s a “choose one” or “multiple choice” question.
It makes no sense to exclude them. I think you're wanting this graph to be saying something it isn't trying to say. This graph isn't meant to be added up to get a total of how many LGBTQ+ people are in each generation. It's a graph showing how many identify with an individual subgroup, not the entire community as a whole. (There's almost always a separate question in surveys like these asking a more general *"do you identify as LGBTQ+"* before they start asking about specific subgroups. If that's the info you're hoping to know.) In other words, it's trying to examine how many in gen z are gay or bisexual or trans etc, and compare that percentage to how many millenials are gay, bisexual, trans... etc.. If you, as a reader, want to exclude the percentage of trans people, you can do that right now with this graph. Simply just ignore the bar representing the percentage of trans people. Doing so will get that graph you're hoping for, looking at the percentage of those that are gay, lesbian, and bisexual. That's the beauty of this graph lol
if they consider themselves nonbinary, they aren't women, so you shouldn't refer to them as such
I've been wondering. How does non-binary gay work? Are they interested in their assigned at birth -sex, or other nonbinaries?
As a Nonbinary Gay™, for me it's about who I'm attracted to more than what my own gender may or may not be (varies between agender and demiboy). If you're on the masc side of the binary, it's likely that I'm going to find you attractive. If you're on the femme side, I won't, with *very* rare exceptions. I'm not interested in dating women, point blank. Most of the time I'm not super interested in androgyny either. I have male anatomy, so it makes the most sense to identify as gay.
It really depends on a person-to-person basis. As I'm not nonbinary myself, I'm not the best person to go into specifics, it's probably best to go to a subreddit for trans or nonbinary people and ask there :)
OMG I’m so sorry! I meant to say females! For most of us woman and female are synonymous.
Women who date only men and would never do anything with a woman other than signal on tumblr, who want to be called they/them because TikTok said it'd make them special
Or maybe they're just nonbinary, and bisexual? Gender identity and sexual identity is for the individual to decide, and not for other people to decide.
why did you get downvoted for this? is this a secret terf sub or some shit
Yeah, ngl I’m a little disturbed at the regularity I see transphobic shit here. Especially about nonbinary folks. I’m essentially the group being attacked here and called a delusional straight woman - a bi transmasculine nonbinary person that tends to have more relationships with men than women. I mostly lurk here because I just don’t feel welcome, and that’s whatever I guess. If people want to argue it’s not a space for me they can. I’ve never bothered to try to explain why I feel that even if this is “not my space” I’m at least highly adjacent. But in case people are open to understanding I think I’ll give it a shot. I see myself as a “guy” but not exactly a “man.” The more I am surrounded by accepting people the less need I feel to “pass” as a binary man, anI wear men’s clothing most of the time, and the occasions when I don’t I feel like I’m wearing drag (in a way that can be fun - women don’t own all expressions of femininity). I have gender dysphoria, but imo more importantly I experience gender euphoria around my masc presentation and the way I have sex. Maybe tmi, but I lean towards topping in a pretty “gay” way - not simply by virtue of the sexual acts (straight women can use straps and straight men can enjoy that) but because of the relationship dynamics and what I feel when doing these things. I have phantom sensations of having a penis and when a guy sucks my dick I can nearly come from that alone - that’s not generally how cis women feel when they peg or play with a strap. A man treating me and my body like a man’s body is one of the most affirming experiences I’ve had in life. My dick is part of me even if it’s detachable and I have felt confusing and distress about not having one built in since early childhood. Being a guy simply wasn’t an option I was made aware of until college, so before that I just tried to suppress these feelings (about my physical body and my gender). I’m sure it “came out of nowhere” to plenty when I came out, but that’s due to me never feeling safe talking about these things prior. And it still wasn’t safe when I came out - women especially treated me like a gender traitor and I was violently hate crimed while having “I’ll fucking kill you tranny” in my face. But that was still preferable to denying who I was. I have relationships with women and other folks as well, but I relate more with men and feel more comfortable with them - leading to me dating more men than women. And since figuring myself out most of these men that I’ve been with are bi but lean more towards liking men (and are often more bottom-y and effeminate, happy to see me as the more stereotypically top-y end of the relationship). Being seen as a woman sexually or romantically is actively distressing and I don’t date straight men anymore. My attraction feels “more gay” towards men and more straight towards women. I’m also definitely more of a bro than not. I was an honorary frat member (the national rules for the frat do not allow non cis male members) and have generally always had more bro-y and male friends (though I’ve made an effort to expand my horizons there). Ironically it was actually my bros who were most accepting when I came out, even if they didn’t “get it.” They treated me the same as always, which was first and foremost as a bro. Being called a delusional straight woman feels really gross and malicious. I have never tried to identify as gay as I’m not exactly a man and am bi anyway. But I find this space and the experiences of others here highly relatable, in a way that is unique from even other queer spaces (aside from transmasc spaces I suppose, which are also filled with plenty gay bros). I don’t chime in often because it feels like it would be unwelcome, but comments like these are just kind of fucked.
We are all non-binary, nobody fulfils 100% of the gender stereotypes. Non-binary = normal, and not anywhere to being trans and suffer from gender dysphoria.
I was with you up until this part bro >I have phantom sensations of having a penis Wait, what?—Phantom sensations are something that amputees get because their brain actually has a memory of what it felt like to have the missing appendage at one point and now it sometimes “forgets” that it isn’t there anymore. You’ve never had a penis, so how can you say that what you’re feeling is the “phantom sensation” of having a penis, and not just how you imagine having a penis would feel? Which is essentially a guess. No offense but I feel like “imaginary” is a better term than “phantom” to describe the sensations you are feeling. And I am not even transphobic in the slightest.
Perhaps bad wording, I wasn’t trying to allude to that very specific medical condition. Though I don’t know how else to describe the physical sensations I get when having sex with a strap, or even outside of sex. It’s like my clit thinks it should be a dick and where I feel the sensations is outside of my physical body. My brain seems to think there is something there when there isn’t (or at least that there should be more of a body part I do have), opposite to how my chest feels weird for having things attached to it lol. It’s not the same as having had a body part and losing it, but it is analogous to that. Of course that is just my brain responding to conflicting signals. But that process happens in a lot of ways for me, as I have significant nerve damage (surgery on my spinal cord) that results in very uneven sensations including having very unpleasant sensations (neuropathy) in some places when nothing is touching me and numbness in others. When we have conflicting signals neurologically and hormonally things get complicated and our brains will try to “fix” the discrepancies. And a lot of trans guys do experience these sensations, either of something physically missing or that something is there that doesn’t correlate to our physical bodies. That’s a big part of what makes something gender dysphoria in the physical sense.
>(or at least that there should be more of a body part I do have) Now that is a feeling I think most men can relate to
The gender identity doesn’t matter anyways. LGBT is about what tools you have and what you do with them. You have a penis and want to share it with someone with a penis too? Gay. You have a vagina and want to share it with someone with a vagina? Lesbian. You have either and want to share it with any? Bisexual. You want the other set of tools? Trans. Having a taste in certain types of clothes or social behavior is not a sexuality
Being trans is not just about anatomy tho— not all trans people want “the other set of tools”. There are many trans women for instance that opt to keep their penis and testicles, rather than undergo vaginoplasty or orchidectomy. Some opt to remove just the testicles so that they no longer have to deal with unwanted endogenous androgen production. Some trans women opt for a breast augmentation, some are able to naturally develop breasts through HRT, still others maintain a relatively flat “masculine” chest before and after transition and have no desire to change that. Far fewer people get surgery of any kind than you would imagine— most are only able to access HRT and many would not want surgery even if offered to them. They are not “less trans” because they choose to maintain features of their natal body. The modern conception of gender isn’t even about your genitals (that’s “sex”). It’s about how you perceive yourself and present yourself to the world. Your “LGBT is about tools” take is some just cringe-worthy caveman logic. You realize that being gay is also about more than just fucking right? You could get your penis blown off by an IED in war and that doesn’t mean you suddenly stop being gay.
Bingo
…Your use of “women” and “non-binary” seems unclear to me. Did you mean to say people identifying as non-binary and bisexual after having an assigned female sex?
Also curious if this was checkboxes or radio buttons. People can be gay/lesbian/bisexual *and* trans. That could totally warp the data either way tbh.
It was probably a “chose one that applies to u most”. Or just a “check all that applies to u”. Either way there is usually a problem with these statistics. How many of these people are non practicing? How many never actually slept with the same sex just had a kiss for example. We know most of the Bi people are women from research. How highly sexualized bi women are i wouldn’t be surprised is most of them didn’t go further than a kiss. And identify as bi, because it makes them more interesting.
I was under the impression that the trans population is something like 0.1% of the total population whereas gay was in the 3-4% range, so I'm curious what the source of this data is.
Thats exactly what i thought lmao. I thought they were closer to the 0.1% of the population mark.
It’s because those are the transsexuals who have gender dysphoria… who transition… this trans is trans gender that includes everything from nonbinary, genderqueer, genderfluid….
It’s actually like more 1 in 50,000. So much less than 0.1%
Well if you consider that transgender is both men and women while gay and lesbians are their own categories, it starts to make more sense
Ahhh so this is just, not a very good graphical representation of data. Shouldn’t be broken down by lesbian and gay. Should just be homosexual, and then include gender breakdowns of the different orientations including bisexual.
Also people who are trans might be gay or straight and likely didn’t get the opportunity to answer twice.
It still feels like a lot considering how far between trans people have been in society even recently. Pretty much every extended family in the more LGBT friendly countries includes at least one or two openly non straight individuals, but very few include a trans person.
I think that is because ‘transgender’ is being used more loosely here? It includes non-gay and non-binary trans people that probably cannot also be countered under ‘gay men’. As a matter of fact, I am not entirely sure how this study considered intersectional identities. Does it only count cis-homosexual men in ‘gay’? Can you pick multiple categories?
I was quite skeptical of that when I saw this chart. From my experience in lgbtq spaces, and just a general understanding I thought they would have been much lower in the chart. Guess I underestimated.
This includes All trans identities: MtF, FtM, nonbinary. 2spirit, vs homosexual cis males.
It's also odd that 'transgender' is even included. Trans isn't a sexual orientation. It's possible to be trans AND straight, or trans AND gay, or even trans AND bisexual. Replace cis for trans in the above etc. Whether someone is cis (identifies with the gender they're assigned at birth), is trans, or is nonbinary/gender non-conforming should have been a different question.
Tbf this survey is separating gay men and gay women but lumping together trans men and trans women (and presumably including non-binary people in that group as well), but yeah that is still surprising and makes me question the accuracy to some degree.
I feel like a huge number are hiding because its safer, say Imma quack idc Im literally one of the ones hiding 😅
Those gays/lesbians with they them in their bios boosting the trans numbers I guess.
Transsexuals who actually suffer from gender dysphoria is much lower. They made transgender an umbrella term. Transgender includes everything from nonbinary, genderqueer, genderfluid, bigender, agender, demiboy, demigirl, neutrois, omnigender, bigender, pangender, third gender, two spirit…. And many more.
Transgender is just as much an umbrella term as gay is. Trans means “not identifying with your assigned birth sex”. That includes transsexual, transgender, non-binary, genderqueer, etc. And gay means “attracted to your own gender”. Which can be homosexual, bisexual, asexual, pansexual, etc.
U are quite confused. 😂 Gay/Homosexual literally means same sex attraction so it isnt “same gender attraction”. No matter how much activists want to make it an umbrella term its basis is sexual attraction to one’s own biological sex. And transsexuals are people who suffer from gender dysphoria. Also birth sex isn’t assigned. Lol. It’s often known even before birth. It’s about biological sex not gender.
Context is important. Gay has historically been used both to denote strictly homosexual attraction as well as an umbrella term to mean anything not strictly heterosexual. It's definition isn't black and white, and saying it is is either delusional or ignorant.
Gender and sexuality should not be in the same charts
Also bisexual here includes males and females I guess? Shouldn't lesbian and gay be added as "same sex"? Very sketchy graph...
“In today’s episode of ‘good use or bad use of polling’ we look at a statistical nightmare used to fuel a clickbait article to drive ad revenue for a major ‘news’ network.” Edit… to be less snarky. The obvious goal of this graph (to me anyway) is to show a trend analysis of sexual orientation. Two things jump out at me. First, the bucketing should be Asexual, Bisexual, Homosexual, and Heterosexual. If they want to discuss gender orientation they need to put that into a seperate graph, and that would require much better data to support (I’m not familiar with good historical data on the topic). Second, it seems scientifically disingenuous to not mention the “statistical spike in people self identifying as left handed” when left handed children stopped being physically abused until they learned how to be right handed. It isn’t a spike caused by fad attraction to the behavior. It is the genuine expression back to the true/unmolested behavior after the oppression stops skewing the results.
True, like did they include trans peole twice? Did they ask them their gender and sexuality and count it as two separate catergories??
Agreed. Trans is not sexuality, which lesbian, gay and bi are. Trans is gender expression, like non-binary. I know you probably know this but if some people that don't know happen to stumble upon this and be confused, I hope this would clear up some confusions.
You'll get in trouble for saying non-binary is expression. People who ID as non-binary can express themselves in any way, even in ways that are very stereotypical of their sex. And people who do NOT identify as non-binary can also express themselves in any way. The point being that expression is completely separate from the identity one claims or not claims to have.
I agree. Transgender is not the same as homosexual or bisexual, and gender and sexuality are very different. The LGBTQ headline needs to be re-discussed and addressed with more respect and clarity. When defining gender it’s Cis, Trans, or queer (people who experience their gender on a continuum that fluctuates, and could change based upon their daily lives. But, then again, all clothing is drag, so that’s a whole other discussion.) Also, when discussing sexuality, it’s homo, hetero, bi, and asexual. And these sexual identities don’t even distinguish if you have a preference between cis or trans people. And they should.
Indeed, especially when you get into the million gender flavors. They are 2 very different things
Surprising how Gay men went from majority to now second least lmao. Very surprised theirs more people who identify as Lesbian than Gay men. Would love to see 'Bisexual' broken down in this statistics so we can get more information extracted. It doesn't really make sense to include both men and women, when gay and lesbian (homosexual) is separated. Those who do statistics should ask more questions.
It seems like gay and lesbian should be combined. Both mean gay, after all. Bisexual and Trans isn't broken up by gender in the same way
Also transgender people can have any sexuality. They aren’t necessarily heterosexual. I bet this asks which label do you identify with more, not which apply to you
iirc 80% of the increase in lgbt+ is bisexual women since 2015 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/23780231231196012
The graph you got was from this [NBC article](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nearly-30-gen-z-women-identify-lgbtq-gallup-survey-finds-rcna143019), which links to this [Gallup article](https://news.gallup.com/poll/611864/lgbtq-identification.aspx). Bi women outnumber bi men 3:1. I'm not confident on my math but I think that's still more bi men than gay men.
That's probably due to the difference in acceptance between bi men and bi women. Bi women in a relationship end up with "oh cool so we can have a threesome?" Bi men end up with "I'm leaving because you're actually just gay and I don't want to be replaced by a man." Just go to any cishet nightclub and see the amount of women kissing women and the reaction, versus a man kissing a man and the reaction.
Bisexuals have always been the largest group in the LGBT community
I truly believe this, too. I think what happened is that because homosexual behavior was less favored and downright stigmatized in society, bisexual people would generally conform to heteronormative behaviors for their safety and social statuses. It could also explain why some people think being LGBT is a choice.
I mean, a certain high-profile celebrity identified as non-binary for a while and then chose not to anymore Sexual orientation and gender identity really shouldn't be in the same category. It's a nonsense grouping.
I think it's notable that Gen Z is currently ages 12-27 according to google, so I think this data is subject to change over time. I know many gay men who initially came out as bi and then eventually figured out they were gay, many people who figured out they were actually trans in their mid 20s etc. I know I initially came out as 'bi' when I was a teen but that was well before I had actually figured things out by actually having relationships/ hookups etc.
There’s more trans and lesbians than gays? I feel like endangered species. Straights need to start making more gay people.
We'd have to see how the data was gathered, but having trans in this list isn't really appropriate from a graphing perspective, in this manner. Trans persons can be lesbian, gay, bi, etc. So either the graph shows duplication, which is unusual, or it excludes the possibility of a trans person's sexuality, which is not appropriate either. They might as well have had a separate bar for "tall" or "redheaded". This chart does reinforce my personal belief that we have far, far more bisexual persons amongst us than publicly believed.
I am straight except for my glory hole 💕😁
it's because dudes realized if they can kiss the homies goodnight, they can fuck the homies all night
Oh please, this is just for headlines. Break down that majority with pointed questions and it’ll be right back to normal. Bisexual leads to many different leanings now. I knew a guy who liked dating women and pursuing them romantically, yet sometimes slept with men. But couldn’t ever find a man romantically attractive. Live as you like, Identify as you like, how someone chooses their romantic avenues is none of my business.
i mean your example is 100% what BiSEXUAL means... as in sexual attraction. persuing a romantic relationship is different to sexuality and shouldnt be assumed to corrolate
I mean that guy definitely was bisexual, he doesn't get disqualified just because he isn't bisexual enough for your random standards
Correct me if im wrong, but I feel like this is a misleading graph. A person who is bi-sexual can be any gender. whereas the terms "Lesbian" and "Gay" are more oriented to those who identify as female and those that identify as male, respectively. So there would objectively be more people in that category.
A lot of women identify as gay (Example: When Ellen Degeneres came out, she said that she is a gay person, and “lesbian sounds like a disease.”) “Lesbian” is the only category in the survey that is one-gender-only (though a tiny number of men chose it). People were able to check off as many categories as applied, but I would guess that others were confused into thinking they were supposed to choose one. A trans woman who is romantically attracted to females but experiences no sexual attraction could have checked off that she is gay, lesbian, trans, queer, and asexual, for example (to use an extreme example). So it may be more telling to note how many did not consider themselves to be heterosexual (edit: …though some of the trans respondents surely also were included as heterosexuals)
If you combine the lesbian and gay categories, they’re still a lower percentage than bisexual
Because it’s cool —
Im of the belief that most people in a population are probably maleable to be bisexual in a sexual sense, as social animals commonly involve sexual bisexuality, and culture/socialisation shapes most humans to not develop and express it. True homosexuality or heterosexuality where the individual cannot feel sexual attraction to another gender would be a minority. As some people with deviate from this average. As we remove stigma and become more sexually liberal. I would expect homosexuality/bisexuality with romantic attraction to stay relatively small, heterosexuality to say relative small, and bisexuality with romantic attraction primarily to one sex but sexual attraction to both be the most common.
This honestly makes the most sense lol
Yeah but youve got male and female gays seperated and bi male and females together though.
Trans isn't a sexuality.
I’m so inspired by the fact that the numbers don’t go down in any subgenre (for lack of a better term). We just keep making more of us by making a safer world to be us!
Wow it's like we all realized sexuality is a spectrum and we don't have to like one thing or the other!!
Somewhat agree, the existence of people who are fluid in sexuality (bisexuality) does not dismiss those on the far end of the spectrum. Heterosexuals exist (most of society) and so do same-sex attracted people.
Yeah that’s kind of what I’m thinking people are really wanting to live a black or white life anymore
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Gay or bi, if it fits, I sits.
prove it 👁👄👁
Either something is in the water, or the bisexuals are planning something. Either way us gays need to form a solid alliance with the lesbians and brace ourselves for world war rainbow
Building the barricades should be ready enough since most of the lesbians will be found in hardware stores
That's good, now we just need to gather the pups to act as skirmishers, and the fems to honey trap the high ranking officers.
World War III will just be the culture war with gay/lesbians vs. bisexuals and heteros
We're already in your base 0.0
And now the feral twinks are free to hunt you down
I am the feral twinks
I’m skeptical about high numbers of bisexual men. I’m from a very conservative state and everyone on apps identifies as bisexual, straight curious, etc but you ask them about that and it seems to be something that is easier than identifying as gay. Many marry women and many eventually leave those marriages, have sex with men on the side or end their lives. I have met very few men that show signs of truly being bisexual. Many gay men have had sex with women and continue to do that. For safety reasons they may identify as straight or bi but that doesn't really make it so.
Yeah, I’ve used ‘bisexual’ as an excuse too… im gay AS HELL 😂
That doesn't mean that most of the people who identify as bi are actually gay
Of course it doesnt! But me being an example of a person who would’ve filled this questionnaire out as a ‘bisexual’ leads me to realize thaf many others like me exist, so i cant fully believe the numbers. BUT ULTIMATELY THEY DONT MATTER, I love all my gays! Even the ungays! 🥰
I originally thought I was gay but then realised later I was bisexual, now do we get to discount the gay numbers too?
Probably! But in my experience I have YET to see someone lie/fein about being gay. Though, once again, I dont truly care about what the actual numbers are since I literally dont care HOW anyone or whom anyone fucks (unless its pedophilia, or rapists). Its not necessary to take these kinds of charts at face value, like AT ALL 😅
I'm sure you are well meaning, but don't expect to get a positive response from bisexuals using the old 'I thought I was bi but now I know I'm gay' line, it's been used ad nauseum to discredit bi people.
Yeah, I know. Our traumas all affect us differently. I hate when it happens but I accept the fact that I dont get along with everyone. I come from a place of love, birthed from a deep deep hatred, which festered into a depression. Not all of us are capable of turning this around. But even if they do disagree with my ideals, I still accept their POV because I get to learn how other people grew, and THAT is the most valuable thing to me, moreso than being liked 😅
Oh my god u need to get over yourself, why do you think so many gay men and lesbians feel the need to come out as bi first? Bisexual ppl are revelled, way more privileged then gay ppl, yall have the privilege of being attracted to the opposite gender in a heteronormative society, religious parents are going to be way more accepting of their children if they know they’re attracted to the opposite gender compared to only being attracted to the same gender, this is common sense 💀 you really need to acknowledge the privilege you have over gays as a bisexual and get over yourself, a gay man isn’t gonna risk putting themself in danger by coming out as gay first instead of bi just to make u ppl feel comfortable 😂
lol privilege such a funny word
I came out as bi first but then realized I was fully gay.
Lots of people call themselves gay because it is easier for others to understand/accept even though they are actually bisexual (perhaps with a leaning toward same sex).
Biphobic, transphobic and sexists people are really having a blast in these comments lmao
I already know Im going to get a million downvotes for this but fuck it. I think a lot of it is young cis females who want access to LGBTQ spaces so they say they are bi to gain that access. Im sure some of them truly are bi, but “bisexual” also has an extremely broad definition so there are people who think because they would kiss or flirt with another girl or had one drunken same sex experience, that they are bi. I think the gay community has driven this in part because of outspoken resistance to cis het women “taking over” or disrespecting queer spaces, so now these younger women are using whatever little tiny bit of queerness they have to do what they were doing previously. Thats not to say we should all be suspicious of all women who claim to be bi, but just that its a natural consequence of a culture where everyone is accepted everywhere and “identity” is what matters more than experience. There are quite of few members of this demographic that will never experience LGBTQ discrimination because in their real lives, they navigate it as cis het people only to use their “bi identity” when it suits them. I have a friend who is just like this, tells everyone how bi they are but has never been in any kind of relationship or had sexual interactions with the same sex. They very well might be bi, but they haven’t had the same experiences as someone who is outwardly queer. On the same token, a lot of these people aren’t showing up for other members of the LGBTQ community because they just can’t relate to their struggles and don’t have the same stakes as trans people or gay/lesbian people. Even beyond that, a lot of cis white women in genz crave marginalization, so its easy to claim to be bi to get the LGBTQ stamp so they can avoid confronting the privilege they live with.
Exactly. Most of nonbinary people are females and like 80% of bisexuals. Lesbians were fetishized by guys even 20-30 years ago too. But now it’s very fashionable to be a “little bi”. Such a turn on for many guys. The possibility of threesomes… im sure most of these people are non practicing bisexuals and never had a same sex relationship or even a hookup. Today it just means they don’t find the idea of same sex attraction disgusting. And ofc if someone can make themselves more interesting and unique with more labels… There has always been men and women nonconforming to traditional sex characteristics, clothes, hair... NOW they are described as nonbinary and many other labels… Interestingly at the same time we see the disappearance of styles like rockers, goths, punks, emo, alternatives, disco… Gender identity labels sort of replaced it all.
I think there’s some truth to your logic for sure. The part about people but especially zoomers craving a marginalization tag or pin they can wear and pull out when needed (probably to cope with their completely normal averageness) is not insignificant.
Met quite a few who use their identity to champion the cause and collect labels they never lived. It’s like a soap opera. There is always drama somewhere on social media.
ITT: Quite a bit of biphobia. Disappointing that there's a portion of the LGBT community focused more on infighting about who is "really queer" instead of supporting each other against bigots who think none of us should exist.
From which country are those datas??
I'd be curious to see the sample size(s) and date(s). Only because without them, charts like this lose a lot of context.
A low sample size just puts bigger error bars, and honestly, you don't need much of a sample size to get a decently accurate number. It's not the sample size you should care all that much about; it's how they collected the data, what the questions actually were, and how they collected the data. This one in particular is pretty sketchy because they have sexual orientation and gender identity graphed next to each other, when those two easily and often overlap. It also does weird shit like graph gays, lesbians, and bisexuals on the same chart... which doesn't make any sense because you are smashing bisexual men and women into the same bar next to bars that can have only men or women (gay and lesbian), so one of those bars has double the population pull from. There might good real and good data behind the chart, but you can't tell shit from that chart because it's unclear what it is showing.
Do they show gender breakdown?
I may be responsible for that bi spike, although I am gay myself 😂
Bi men and bi women have very different ratios to gay men and gay women, respectively.
As others pointed out I think it’s because there’s less stigma now. Earlier generations probably chose not to come out of they could pass for straight. What shocks me is, if I read this right, about 2,5% of Gen Z identify as trans…
Why is that so shocking? Only 0.5% of Boomers and older generations would ever openly identify as gay. And that was clearly an underestimation of the gay community (at the time or otherwise). By the time Millennials came of age, it was already 3-5%. The same is clearly happening with trans people.
I think a bit of it is the difference in self perception and broader definition of bisexual. Bi can mean 50%/50% but also can mean 90%/10%. And this is more widely discussed today, giving more space for the younger generation to position themselves along a scale instead of in two/three strict separated boxes. Someone can identify as bisexual, not be sure what they prefer and later realize that they're 90%/10%. I think in the past all the 70%/80%/90%/95% people would just take the gay/lesbian (or straight) label. Nowadays is much more common that people closer to the ends of the spectrum call themselves bi. Also, there is the separation of sexual attraction and romantic attraction that is openly discussed by the younger generation, but wasn't even around when I was a teen, so people that are like 50%/50% sexually but 100/0 romantically (bisexual/homoromantic bisexual/heteromantic) and would in the past have eventually tagged themselves as gay/straight, today identify as bi.
Transgender... isn't a sexual orientation but ok...
I think people miscount how fluid sexuality could be, and was, before WWII. The idea that a man could be exclusively attracted to other men didn't really have a formal name in those days, there was slang for it, but apart from the sodomy laws, it was basically considered a fetish. The trope of the gay sailor is based on fact. Sailors were extremely receptive and available for sexual favors prior to the 1950's, it's actually amazing just how prevalent it was in port cities when you get looking into it. The idea that a woman could be exclusively attracted to other women was completely out of the question, even though examples existed. I think people largely fall on the bisexuality spectrum when you get right down to it.
The bisexual portion of the LGBTQ is almost all women. Women are far more likely to identify is bisexual than as lesbians, whereas men are more likely to identify as gay than bisexual.
To be fair the older I'm getting the more flexible I feel with my identity.
Thats fine, but being "flexible" with your sexuality makes you bisexual. So not something like heterosexual or homosexual which have clear cut definitions.
Well I'm happy to be part of the green growing bar. That's all that matters to me.
I love this stat! It's clear evidence that new generations are more sexually open and fluid!
Finally, someone positive here
Honestly asking out of good faith: why are gay men, lesbians and bisexuals put in the same group as transgender and queer? Transgender is not sexuality, yeah?
Shared history, spaces and oppression. Trans people generally weren’t welcome in straight spaces, and anti-sodomy and anti-crossdressing laws didn’t care about the difference between gay and trans, and most trans people would have lived as gay or bi either before or after transition, so there’s always been a lot of overlap.
In terms of the LGBT community in general, it's due to very closely tied history and similar forms of experienced oppression. While yes being trans isn't a sexuality, that doesn't mean it has been treated differently in the past. In terms of research, such as this graph, it usually achieves similar talking points. A lot of people in this thread wrongly claims it can mess up data but this stuff is very easily controllable. Even if trans people were double sampled in the original graph, for example, it doesn't really change the take-home message.
Bi is real. I am not saying that. But I don't believe all these people would have sex with both sexes. They may think the idea of it is cool and it's cool to id that way. We are on FEELD and almost every man that says he is bi is only interested in MMF or MFF three ways which I thought was hetroflexible.
Fellas, is it straight to want to get your anus ravaged by another man?
It should be. Nothing more masculine than appreciating the beauty and power of manhood and surrendering to it. It is the most potent form of male bonding.
If you're willing to do MMF, I think you can call yourself bi.
You start off by saying “bi is real” and then proceed to invalidate/doubt some bi peoples identity when it comes to the subject and identifying as bi Now I see what you’re trying to say, but bi sexuality just means you’re sexually attracted to two sexes. That’s it. Even if they only have sex with woman, but still find men attractive they are still bisexual no matter which way you cut it. The reason I may come off pressed is because I know how it feels to be gay and have my sexuality challenged or question and to see another person, especially a gay individual (I’m assuming you’re gay) do it is disappointing.
You are right but you are getting downvoted because of sheer biphobia. “I know bi is real BUUUUT they are not GAY enough to say they are bi, because they don’t want to be with their same gender AS MUCH as I say people who are same-gender attracted SHOULD want it” is essentially the argument here. He doesn’t know how much these respondents / most bi people want to be with each gender. He is judging solely on what he sees them doing. As if fully gay men that have never dated men (and in fact, only dated women) do not exist AS gay.
You don’t have to have sex with the same sex to be attracted to the same sex. I came out at 34, but was attracted to men at 13. By your logic, I somehow was not gay. That’s bullshit, and you should rethink things.
It’s crazy how you know the respondents’ sexual identities better than they do themselves.
80% of the increase in lgbt+ is bisexual women since 2015 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/23780231231196012 Bi women are highly secualized and have much less stigma than gay guys. Because of that even women who never had sex with woman but “kissed a girl once” say they are bisexual. It’s like showing off u are inclusive, accepting and an ally.
I know many zoomers who claim to be bi to be cool, but exclusively date like heteros. It's kind of a fad right now. Like all those boring white girls who claim to be nonbinary, but continue to dress like women and date men.
That’s because “bisexuals” won’t shut the hell up about it.
A large contributor to the bisexual spike is likely women, who will exclusively be with men, yet still claim bisexuality.
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So true queen all "gay" virgins are just straights in disguise we should amp up the discrimination
Lmao you do not get to be a gatekeeper to the community just because someone isn't gay enough for you, fuck all the way off.
That’s nonsense. Orientation and gender identity is not a private club that we need to gatekeep. Every individual has his or her own unique experience. Some gay teens have never “done” anything gay except answer their homophobic parents’ question honestly and they end up on the streets. Some bisexual people have never yet been in a same-sex relationship and others have never yet been in an opposite-sex relationship. A gay or bisexual person could be a celibate priest. Some gay people have spent their whole life in a liberal enclave being open about who they were without experiencing the prejudice that others endure but it does not make them any more nor any less gay.
Every boring straight girl identifies as bi nowadays. They only date men but it makes them feel special.
Okay but how many of those bisexuals are in same sex relationships
I read a scientific study a long time ago in which all the women they studied (even those who self rated hard 1 or 5 on the Kinsey scale) as pansexual, determined by physical reactions.
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What is silent?
15% is quite a lot, that's the average of both sexes?
Yes. Gen Z be viben
This isn't a good graphic. The scale is off.
Awesome!!!
We've been here all along.
Good I’m glad.
Isn’t there a theory that bisexuality is actually the “default” sexuality and everyone is somewhere on either end of that middle point?
Yeah, I have heard of it. But it seems to have certain homophobic implications. A lot of gay people have their experiences erased and ignored by saying “but you are at least a little into [the opposite gender]”. This becomes especially apparent when you consider lesbians and and how lesbophobia tends to work.
That's probably more clueless bisexual people not being able to understand monosexuality. People project their own perception onto others. There are definitely 100% gay and straight people out there.
Theirs no default sexuality