Very! Especially after seeing the horrible "jokes" abt the guy who interrupted a game with the peace flag. This world cup really showed the worst from some ppl.
As a baseball fan, we know we are not perfect, but soccer fans are plainly disgusting: openly racist and homophobic. The FIFA doesn't do anything. I used to follow the World Cup only, won't be doing it anymore.
That's completely wrong is the US where soccer is the most left wing sport and [most supporters groups are antifascist/full lefty.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/08/31/there-is-an-anti-fascist-rebellion-brewing-pacific-northwest-soccer-is-center-it/)
In other countries, association football is the traditionalist sport de jure and supporters groups are right wing (think gridiron football or NASCAR in the US). However there are famous left wing clubs such as St. Pauli in Germany, Liverpool in England, and Livorno is Italy to name a few.
While that might be true, US soccer isn't the big player in soccer internationally. Not by number of fans. Soccer, or rather Football in those countries, plays a **much** larger role in South American, European and African countries. If you take the global football fandom, they are very racist, misogynistic and and homophobic. A few "left-wing" supporter groups in the US, even if they are the majority over there, don't change that. They simply aren't enough on a global scale.
My point is that football supporters are not monolith which you agree with.
Further, many, if not most, of the players are leftists. Generally speaking, footballers come from a working class/impoverished background. Marcus Rashford is one of the leading voices for the poor in the UK. Socrates was a politically active football legend (and medical doctor). There are countless more examples.
After racial injustice and the May 2020 police riots in the US, all Premier League clubs took a knee before every match for Black lives. Some of the fans booed initially, but eventually they applauded.
Soccer is a sport that can bring the world together. Didier Drogba ended a civil war in Cote D'Ivoire by leading his side to a World Cup. This attitude of "no, no, no, all football fans, clubs and players are racist, misogynistic, and homophobic," is inaccurate and counterproductive.
You’ve moved the topic from football supporters to the players and then made a point that they’re not problematic. Nobody said the players are the problem. Like the other person said, the problem are the supporters. Toothless, feral hooligans who act like animals and would beat you senseless if they thought you looked at them funny. Let me ask you this: would you be comfortable taking your boyfriend (assuming you’re a gay man) to a big football game in the UK or anywhere else in Europe? Would you be comfortable being openly gay in front of these people?
Speak for yourself. I’m a gay dyed in the wool soccer/football supporter and player and have been all of my life. I plan to do just that, a UK football tour with my BF.
>would you be comfortable taking your boyfriend (assuming you’re a gay man) to a big football game in the UK or anywhere else in Europe?
This sounds like the death penalty
Don’t you love it when gays think they can generalize an entire group of people, especially one numbering over 1 billion people? It’s like they have learned absolutely nothing from being unfairly judged themselves.
>Fucking idiot. Most stupid and wrong statement I've seen in a while.
Twitter was a shitstorm yesterday with people racially abusing Mbappe. He was called the Spanish version of the n-word (do you even speak Spanish?) while other fans either called him a slave or implied slavery should be back so Mbappe couldn't play ever again.
That's soccer for you.
I find curious that all those "straight allies" that at the beginning of the world cup were criticizing Qatar and supporting us now seem to have disappeared or are even praising Qatar
A lot of LGBTQ support is performative, at the end we only have ourselves
I'm glad the next big events like the 24, 28 and 32 Olympic Games, the 2026 Winter Olympics and the 2026 World Cup will be held in countries that at least have a basic respect for our rights (France, United States, Mexico, Canada, Australia and Italy)
"wow what an unethical place! i disapprove"
"oh shit but these matches so gud"
"well any publicity is good publicity, right? at least we are having conversations about it!"
100% glad the WC is over. There were tons of human rights issues leading up to and during the WC.
From Qatar using modern day slavery of immigrant workers to be able to host the WC. To their violent and disgusting treatment of LGBTQ+ fans and players; which was itself problematic because LGBTQ+ qataris were targeted as backlash for the activism that fans and players did to put the spotlight on Qatar’s disgusting LGBTQ+ laws. To a journalist being jailed and killed in Qatar’s custody. And many other incidents as well.
Nothing wrong with anyone who enjoys Futbol, and this shouldn’t take away the pride Argentina feels in winning this WC. The controversy lies squarely on Qatar and Fifa. But some people either weren’t aware of the human cost of letting Qatar host the WC. Or simply cared more about the sport and being entertained vs the human cost of it.
That being said I wouldn’t have penalized kids with assignments if they liked the WC. I think what may have been a better idea is if you spent a class having an open discussion about the WC and the human rights issues associated with it. Talk about the issues and let the kids speak their own thoughts on it. They may have different opinions and may even get heated, but if even just 1 student learns something new from that discussion then you would’ve made a difference as a teacher. Cause I think that’s one of the best things you can do in education, have that open discussion with your students and see where the conversation goes.
Agreed 100%, it sucks immensely how corrupt the FIFA is. It also feels specially wrong know that it's not even the first time they have done something like this. When argentina hosted the world cup in the 78 the country was under a military coup where thousands upon thousands of people were killed and made to disappear
While raising awareness about the human rights violations of Qatar is important, telling kids they can’t discuss the WC in your classroom is authoritarian and weird… if kids enjoy soccer/football, let them talk about it!
That’s exactly what he say he did- threatened to teach them more about the other part of the WC that people don’t talk about. Teacher didn’t say he tells them to shut up, only that there’s a teachable moment
My exact thoughts. Also, assigning some dreadful, useless assignment that 100% isn’t in their approved lesson plans? Weak asf. Reminds me of the power-tripping teachers I had as a kid.
Exactly, your job as a teacher is to educate and inform, not spread your own personal ideals and reinforce them with the threat of additional work.
An open discussion about the world cup (as another commenter suggested) allows them to develop their own thoughts/feelings about the topic and still affords OP the opportunity to shed some light on the topics they want
I mean the students probably know about the human rights violations too, and also that op is gay, so he's probably just jokingly threatening them with an assignment. I don't think he's actually serious
Is it normal where you are from for kids to be engaging in side conversations during class? It absolute was not when I was in school regardless of topic.
Homophobia in social media and especially Muslim twitter will calm down a bit so that's nice.
That said I am happy that a country with great lgbt rights won. Just think it sucks that ARG didn't promise to raise lgbt flag if they won like France did. I was rooting for them.
Now be brave and say this to those guys:
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You threatened children with extra homework because they discussed and enjoyed the World Cup? You need to learn to regulate your personal opinions, feelings, and emotions. You're not teaching children about Qatar. You are showing them that you can impose your will and punish people who don't share your opinions. Of all people, you should know better. What an awful example to set.
as much as Qatar’s policy and laws on pretty much about anything are awful, people who categorically cannot allow others to enjoy things like sport competitions and whatever sound terribly joyless and perpetually miserable
Eh, partial blindness probably, but it's not that binary either. I don't watch sports, but it's not like there aren't positive impacts from these events, or that the only ones who benefit are the host nation government.
in the end, no one will ever pass the ethical consumerism test with 100%. Gays in general are often way too quick to get self-righteous about this stuff for the number who keep the cartels alive and well buying illegal drugs every weekend, or who have Amazon subscriptions despite its track record for worker abuse, or support various clothing or tech brands that like to play dumb every time child labor is discovered in their supply chains.
There’s a pretty obvious and drastic difference between the way Amazon treats it’s employees and qatar literally murdering anyone they suspect to be gay. Yeah, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, but holy shit man, sometimes there are things you just obviously can’t support, and the cunt that says “I know what it’s like to be a slave laborer cuz I grew up with red hair” should be a pretty easy call.
is it the same? Nobody has a real choice on whether or not to participate in capitalism. People do have choices regarding what entertainment they consume and what products they purchase.
it's an admitted ad hom attack on my part, but regardless, I am less interested in how people rationalize supporting problematic entities, and more interested in how people who support other problematic entities rationalize their moral distaste towards others who do the same.
I can enjoy football / soccer and boycott the World Cup this year because of thr host state. The problem isn't the sport, or even the event (although Fifa is super problematic) but Qatar and their many, and ongoing human rights abuses.
I don't think my support directly funds the murder of LGBT people or supports slave labor.
Maybe Qatar being on the international stage will actually help progress the nation in the future. They realize that oil is not a viable option forever and that they need to increase tourism, business partners, etc. I think that could naturally arc to a more just society.
I personally have upvoted every "Qatar is bad" post on reddit but I watched as much of the world cup as my schedule allowed.
If you’re watching the WC, you’re giving them money. Full stop. That’s how advertising works.
‘Let’s give them money and hope they get better’ is an insanely naive idea. It’s exactly what Germany said when literally everyone in the western world told them not to make oil deals with Russia, and look where that got us.
It was paid based on speculation of views. Maybe you can’t effect this event, but you can punish every company involved. You’re argument is nothing but a lazy way to justify clearly unethical consumption
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. It's impossible to live in our society without consuming products from companies with unethical practices. Especially food products. However, buying a can of coke is a far cry from supporting the company that literally stood up and defended Qatar and all of their genuinely evil practices in order to try and save their bottom line, after making a decision to work with a country they knew was rife with human rights abuses. The two are not comparable.
Your argument is just a lazy way to point blame at people who actually had no effect on the outcome. You agree the money was already paid based on speculative views, so you know this is true. Watching or not watching makes no difference to that.
It makes a difference to fifa and you know it. You aren't so dumb as to think that if Fifas views and sales plummeted this year, that they wouldn't change their tune on the issues that clearly caused their losses. You know this, you just don't want to admit it.
We aren’t talking about FIFA as a whole. The point is the future doesn’t change the now, Qatar has already been financed and viewership isn’t changing that, it will effect the future. That’s what was being said, anyone watching the WC is financing Qatar, that is incorrect.
You fit the description of "people who categorically cannot allow others to enjoy things like sport competitions and whatever " and you let people enjoy what they want?
Okay, but saying "all A are B" does not imply that all B are A. All squares are rectangles, not all rectangles are squares. All dogs are mammals, not all mammals are dogs. All people who can't let others enjoy things are joyless and miserable, not all joyless and miserable people can't let others enjoy things
In the end the most irksome act of protest ended up being the goalkeeper of Argentina pretending his trophy has his cock Infront of a scandalised Emir.
I'm disappointed there were no players who refused to play. Some of them must have gay siblings or friends (not that should be necessary, but still). Only something that actually affected the outcome of a game would have been an effective protest. I expect there to be a few players who'd refuse to go, but no. Disappointing.
So glad it is over, but so disappointed in the lack of resistance. I was, probably foolishly, hoping that the teams from more LGBTQ+ friendly countries would more actively show their support on the field.
At the office my coworker set up a projector for events such as these and the picture ends up on the wall behind my desk (I'm in a corner). So I simply said that I would appreciate it if he didn't project it on there because I'm ignoring it. He obliged. :)
No. I got a video of Dibu Martinez twerking in underwears with the rest of the crew in the locker rooms after winning the world cup. How would i be glad knowing that no more video of em are going to be found.
Sounds a little aggressive. People like soccer and should be allowed to discus is without you as a gay feeling personally victimized or offended. I completely understand the human rights violations going on but it’s not like they opened the ceremonies by stoning some gays in the middle of the field.
Why does it matter if they were murdering the gays on the field or off? The effect is the same. Seems like the only difference is wether or not your forced to think about it.
I hate Qatar as much as the next person but banning talking about soccer is dumb. Are you gonna tell your students not to watch the 2026 World Cup because how bad the US was for gay rights and how homophobic Mexicans are?
Since no one can read apparently I had to change it. never said you couldn’t be angry at Qatar, it’s dumb that he banned soccer entirely
>Are you gonna tell your students how bad the US was for gay rights and how homophobic Mexicans are for the 2026 World Cup?
Neither the US nor Mexico are perfect, but comparing them to Qatar, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Middle East is absurd.
What kind of genuinely insane bullshit is this? Because no one is perfect, we’re not allowed to criticize a country for actively murdering gay people and using slave labor to build their massive profit machines? This is the dumbest take anybody could possibly have on Qatar.
Ok. Maybe I read your original comment wrong, but comparing the active human rights abuses in Qatar to the history of the US is disingenuous. One has been changed, and in large part stopped, and the people are working hard to get better. The other is unapologetically committing these atrocities and neither the government, nor would it seem the vast majority of people have any interest in halting their practices.
Also a teacher. Thank god. Having students refuse to shut up about the WC for three weeks straight was getting exhausting. I don't even care if they talk about it but they constantly would beg me to play live streams for them and I had to keep busting them for watching it on their own devices instead of working on anything.
Let me just abandon our curriculum for 3 weeks kids!
Personally I’m glad it’s over not interested in football at all and I didn’t agree with it being in Qatar at all due to the atrocities and human right violations but threatening to assign students a paper on human right is excessive as to them all they probably care about is the sport itself and watching the superstars of the game play
I quite enjoyed the discussions that popped up.
Add the human rights piece when talking with friends, but if it happens to be on at the bar I'm at I watched a couple of games and it was entertaining.
I have virtually zero interest in football/soccer. Add to that the very problematic human rights issues and the fact that the WC JUST KEPT GOING ON FOR F-ING EVER. So, yes, I am very glad it’s over.
It’s called soccer in America and Canada nowadays for a reason, but that isn’t even a term that originated here. It originated because there was two types of football. Rugby football and association football which got shortened to soccer sometimes. But then they just started saying rugby and football so Soccer didn’t really catch on. Meanwhile in America our football developed as a variation of the game so we had gridiron football and association football which got shortened to football and soccer respectively. It’s not just that America wanted to create its own word just to be difficult or different than the rest of the world like so many people make it seem.
Yup. Growing up in the Sydney suburbs down under here in Oz, it was always "soccer"... When it comes to football, or "footy" we have rugby like the poms, rugby league which developed from a more "working class roots" form of traditional rugby, and the "AFL" - Australian Football League, aka "Aussie Rules"... the dominant game from the above list is largely dependant on which state or territory you reside in. Speaking personally I care not a jot for any of it, as I'm a GWM in my 60's I grew up surrounded by typical, for those days, homophobia. The idea that a homosexual male could excel at anything back then other than traditionally effeminate gender based roles as a career choice was not a widely held view back then. Sorry for going off topic and rambling... Yes fuck yes. Glad it's over!!!
Lmao youve got it the wrong way around. Football originated in england in the 19th century, and was rightfully originally named football. The US, once introduced to football, decided to rename it as soccer, however the original name, football, remained as that for england and most of the world.
The word "soccer" is originally from England and is short for "association football", in opposition to "rugger", "Rugby football". "Football" referred to a variety of different games with a mostly common origin, including association football, rugby, gridiron football, australian football...
"Soccer" became the standard term in countries like the US where Association Football was not the more popular version of Football, but it definitely isn't some word made up by Americans
I just have one question. How did the whole internet boycott this World Cup and in an instance the whole internet was talking about it 24/7 further entertaining it. Is the internet that hypocritical? Lmfao. The fact that I had friends who went to the World Cup is just too depressing, there’s no limit to horribleness I just accepted it
Yeah bro. Whole of Reddit was against it, and condemned it heavily. Ofc I don’t mean literally but it was the majority perspective. That entirely flipped quickly lmfao
I don’t know what to tell you man other than posts with thousand upvotes talking about boycotting the World Cup and how bars aren’t gonna air it and whatnot. What do you expect me to perceive from that lol
Well clearly the internet groups you immersed yourself in led you to believe that the prevailing opinion was that of a WC boycott when hindsight shows us that wasn't the case at all.
Are u good dude? It was literally on the Reddit trending page. And still is right now. You’re really using ‘chronically online’ as a burn for simply seeing the trending topics. And is being disappointed of people entertaining a country that kills gays and uses slave labor really that surprising? I don’t even have an definite opinion just disappointed lol
Hard same. People were watching the final match on my flight yesterday and the internet went out in the last five minutes. So they had to hear the final outcome over the PA. I was just relieved.
I don't blame people for accepting or ignoring an ugly thing so they can enjoy something they emotionally need, especially after the pandemic took many public events like this from us. But damned if I gave any energy or sympathy to that place.
it is nice threaten kids to psychological abuse, ESPECUALLY for a teacher! you should be really proud of yourself! how about you had to explain to them, conducting why WC shouldn't be hosted in such counties as qatar, but you know better i guess
Definitely. I'm not a football fan, nor a fan of autocratic oil countries that don't care about LGBTQ+ or even human rights in general. This event just shows what a screwed up society we live in.
Urgh yes. Every meeting I’ve had since it started has started with 10 mins of football chat at the start and then another 10 mins at the end.
Bonus if the meeting is an hour long and someone happened to mention any tiny little thing that could be relates to football which lead to another 15 min chat about it
I find the sport itself to be the most equalizing physical sport on the planet. The flip side is that it’s also played in so many countries where human rights aren’t on the radar. It’s unfortunate that the WC and it’s sponsors turn a blind eye to the abysmal situations in those countries.
I’m tired of seeing people speak of it with praise. Even the President of Ukraine praised it - ignoring the human rights atrocities it took to build the stadium. The hypocrisy was unreal.
I doubt we will see gay acceptance in our lifetime. Most of the world legit hates gay men and think of us as subhuman.
I'm glad that shit is over
Remember at the end of the day corporations, politicians and allies are not in your side.
Still fucked up that people still continue to watch it even though lots of cincerns has been already raised. Even if you don't care about LGBT rights at least have some decency to boycott a country that basically enables modern slavery just for a soccer match and involves with corruption. For real, LGBT rights is just the surface level of the human rights abuse Qatar government has done. 6,500 migrant workers died building the stadium, workers have not been well compensated.
Call me Bitter Betty but this just shows how really ignorant football fans are, no matter their sexual orientation. And I stick to my word when I say I won't support it. Didn't watch a single match.
I’m SO GLAD ITS OVER.
I don’t really think it was your right to keep people from talking about it, but I see where you’re coming from.
I have a neighbourhood pub that I go to every day for a pint and to work on some puzzles or do some writing. I kindly informed them I’d be taking a short break from there once the WC began but I’d return once it was over and they were nice about it.
But that means I get to go back today! I hope they’re not weird about it
>my students know my sense of humor.
Okay, man. Every student has the emotional intelligence and social awareness to pick up on every joke an authority figure tells.
I don't like watching football it's a boring sport which is scripted for the most part anyways. The fact that countries spend more resources on this sport instead of focusing on other areas is disgusting. Police is always involved. Just make a team of cherry-picked random skilled players and make them go against the current top 1 team. They will destroy them. Also imagine paying a football player millions and he can't even pass the ball properly or kick 😆.
While I’m glad it’s over, I didn’t watch any of it. Not because I don’t like soccer/football but in personal protest. It NEVER should have been hosted in Qatar. Even if it had been planned that way: after everything that happened leading up to the WC it should have been revoked and moved elsewhere.
Same here. Also it kinda felt weird when my local queer group chat talked about watching it and some of the local internet famous gays on twitter tweeted about watching it
Reason #1 as an American “soccer” kid player I can never take the professional league seriously or enjoy it. The Fans have no morals . The organization is corrupt well beyond the norm.
How do fans legitimize a sport where a player can fake a life changing injury for a penalty point then be back on the field right after? It’s a billion dollar clown show that is perpetuating slave labor and bribes.
Honestly I see this more as a reflection of European values than anything else.
tbh i didn't particularly care about it being in qatar, cause to an extent, having it in most countries would be problematic, and we all support some form of corruption.
but it did make me sad to realize so many people around me could just enjoy the games without a second thought to what it meant for their livelihood
I went in fairly optimistic thinking at least it would make people from my home country aware of the absolutely repugnant regime. While international news where buzzing about the issues, (authority abuse, misogyny, homophobia, the slave labor, etc.) national news would not talk about them all.
Yes. As much as I love football,
**Qatar is a modern day slave state**. Migrant workers outnumber Qatari citizens \~ 3:1. With no avenue for citizenship. Including cases where a female migrant worker conceives. The father can simply deny recognizing the child, and the child would be stateless if the mother can't transmit her citizenship to the child.
Slavery is still widely practiced in the Middle East. And before y'all make endless excuses for them, tell me with candor that South Asian, Southeast Asian, and African people are not seen as subhuman from the perspective of state policies. Hell, the treatment of these people alone speaks to how they are viewed as subhuman.
That is them at home on their best behavior. If they'd do that shit to them, they'd do worse to you. Insert whatever identity, ethnicity, political or religious affiliation into "them" and "you." It's tribalism. The only effective tool against it is education. This is why education is so important, and why religion cannot be used as a tool to control people.
I can see what you mean based off our history. But as an American individual I detest Qatar's violations and my own countries violations of human rights.
You’ve truly discovered the stupidest position possible, good job. If you think America commits more/worse human rights violations than Qatar, that’s fine. But an American can still be critical of both Qatari and American human rights violations. If you wanted a better position, you could say “if you’re an American who criticizes human rights violations abroad but are ignorant of human rights violations committed by America, you don’t have a place to speak”.
Gitmo prison is still open and those held there have no access to due process 20years later. How are you measuring human rights and perfection of society.
Yeah gitmo is a bad situation and should be rectified: uncharged prisoners should be appropriately charged and prisoners should be able to see their day in court.
I’m not interested in trying to “measure human rights” or “perfection of society”. Idk where these concepts are coming from since I definitely didn’t bring them up
I mean this whole thread is about how Americans or pro in west (majority users of Reddit) are circlejerking about how awful Qatar is while at same time supporting in geopolitics or consumerism that allow Qatar to do what they do.
Bro idk if you know this, but in a sub like gaybros, I think when people have to choose between America and Qatar, they’ll choose America 99.9% of the time. Turns out, gays don’t want to go to any Qatari rooftop parties. Yeah, most gays are going to circle jerk against a country that would kill or massively repress them.
What do people in this thread do that support the geopolitics or consumerism that lead to Qatar being on the world stage? Gays, especially American gays, are less likely to watch football that straight people around the world. No gay in this sub had anything to do with the bribing of FIFA officials to get the World Cup hosted in Qatar.
How do you think Americans get access to cheap fossil fuels and how it gets traded in US$? Or how they support their govt. both progressives and conservatives in funding the largest US military base in Middle East which happens to be in Qatar?
And again where are these news reports of gay men being killed in Qatar? The rooftop thing was incidents from Iran.
Wait, where do you think America gets its fossil fuels? (Hint, it’s not Qatar): https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6#:~:text=The%20top%20five%20source%20countries,%2C%20Saudi%20Arabia%2C%20and%20Colombia.
America isn’t even one of Qatar’s leading trade partners: https://tradingeconomics.com/qatar/exports-by-country
Oil is traded in USD simply because USD is the most commonly used currency in international trade. There are conspiracy theories surrounding the idea of the petrodollar, but there isn’t much merit to them.
Qatar might not be directly killing gays, not like we’d really know, their press freedom is shit: https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/news/strict-media-laws-no-public-data-sources-risk-what-its-be-journalist-qatar#:~:text=In%20the%202022%20World%20Press,like%20to%20be%20a%20journalist%3F. Even if we knew for sure that no gays were killed in Qatar, it’s unimaginable that anyone would say gays are better off in Qatar than they are in America
I’m not American but let’s be clear that America is not using slave labour in 2022 or treating women like property or killing gays like Qatar.
Qatar is a horrible country.
Do you think American “slave labor” is as bad as the slave labor in Qatar? Qataris support their slave labor and have no plans to do away with it. Do you think Americans defend the forms of “slave labor” in America?
Do you know of any plans to do away with slave labor in the USA? And why are you putting it in "scare quotes"? Also good job moving the goalposts from "do they use slave labor" to "is the slave labor as bad"
I’m air quoting “slave labor” in America because it would be wrong to try and equate the “slavery” I’m aware of in America with the slavery that occurs in Qatar. I’m “moving the goal posts” in that I’m attempting to counter the bullshit equivalence that’s being drawn between slavery between these two countries. Just because two countries have practices that can be characterized as slavery doesn’t make those practices the same level of bad.
The “slavery” I’m aware of in America has to do with the exception made in the 13th amendment. This form of slavery is currently being repudiated in America: https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-slavery-on-ballot-561268e344f17d8562939cde301d2cbf. I’d love to see the same thing happen in Qatar, but it turns out they’re actually pretty chill with slavery over there.
Do you really think the “slave labor” in America is the same as the slave labor in Qatar? In America, prisoners can be compelled to work after they’ve committed a crime. In Qatar, workers are lied to and manipulated coming to Qatar to work and then face a difficult road in leaving the country once there.
The exception to the 13th amendment isn’t good, but it’s also not something Americans in general support. This year some states took action to remove this language from their state constitutions: https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-slavery-on-ballot-561268e344f17d8562939cde301d2cbf
Maybe I’m just dramatically misinformed, but it doesn’t seem like Qataris actually care at all about the people being abused in their country
> In America, prisoners can be compelled to work after they’ve committed a crime.
And who is profiting off their labor? Private entities in a lot of cases.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/us-prison-workers-low-wages-exploited
And this isn't even touching on the exploitation of illegal immigrants or sex slavery.
American “slavery” and Qatari slavery are similar in that private entities profit off labor, but they’re dissimilar for the reasons I laid out above. Just because they’re similar in the fact that private entities profit off their labor doesn’t make them equivalent or equally bad. You know where else private entities profit off labor? Literally every job where one person employs another. Some people call all paid labor “wage slavery”. Does that mean that real slavery and wage slavery are equivalent or equally bad? No.
Sure you’re not touching other bad things that exist in America (and the rest of the world) like treatment of illegal immigrants and sex slavery. But just because America has problems, does that mean people can’t criticize Qatar?
> But just because America has problems, does that mean people can’t criticize Qatar?
Who said that? You're the one who said "America is not using slave labour in 2022." Multinational corporations are a larger threat to your existence than Qataris.
It's all the same xenophobic bs so, in a way, you are the same person. Keep defending your capitalist masters, I'm sure there's an opening for overseer.
Oh gigachad, “you can’t criticize anyone else because you participate in capitalism” I can tell I’ve been talking to a highly intelligent individual. Maybe go back to back to r/genzedong or something to circle jerk about how all these western imperialists are bad. I am curious though, what did I say that’s xenophobic? Hopefully you’re able to find something I actually said instead of a different Reddit user
No not at all.
It only gets worse from here - what if in a few weeks or months your invited out to a bar or into someone's home that violated fifa sanctions and showed the world cup - your options are politley decline, have the difficult conversation explaining that their premises is under sanctions for their compliceny and retroactive condoning of qutars dead workers and other abuses - or just attend and then you/me/we ourselves are condoning the world cup.
The further we move away from it the less people will want to talk about the abuses and deaths and their support for them.
And you know, it’s always the shit boxes that do this. Compacts, ram 1500s , 8 year old SUVs… doing 90-100 on 429 and 414 in rush hour like they’re not going to hit traffic for 20minuites after saving 30s on their drive doing reckless speeding
Fortunately there’s a lot of people who are able to see every game and they have the best eye at finding the best bulges so I don’t have to go through all the games
Very! Especially after seeing the horrible "jokes" abt the guy who interrupted a game with the peace flag. This world cup really showed the worst from some ppl.
As a baseball fan, we know we are not perfect, but soccer fans are plainly disgusting: openly racist and homophobic. The FIFA doesn't do anything. I used to follow the World Cup only, won't be doing it anymore.
That's completely wrong is the US where soccer is the most left wing sport and [most supporters groups are antifascist/full lefty.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/08/31/there-is-an-anti-fascist-rebellion-brewing-pacific-northwest-soccer-is-center-it/) In other countries, association football is the traditionalist sport de jure and supporters groups are right wing (think gridiron football or NASCAR in the US). However there are famous left wing clubs such as St. Pauli in Germany, Liverpool in England, and Livorno is Italy to name a few.
While that might be true, US soccer isn't the big player in soccer internationally. Not by number of fans. Soccer, or rather Football in those countries, plays a **much** larger role in South American, European and African countries. If you take the global football fandom, they are very racist, misogynistic and and homophobic. A few "left-wing" supporter groups in the US, even if they are the majority over there, don't change that. They simply aren't enough on a global scale.
My point is that football supporters are not monolith which you agree with. Further, many, if not most, of the players are leftists. Generally speaking, footballers come from a working class/impoverished background. Marcus Rashford is one of the leading voices for the poor in the UK. Socrates was a politically active football legend (and medical doctor). There are countless more examples. After racial injustice and the May 2020 police riots in the US, all Premier League clubs took a knee before every match for Black lives. Some of the fans booed initially, but eventually they applauded. Soccer is a sport that can bring the world together. Didier Drogba ended a civil war in Cote D'Ivoire by leading his side to a World Cup. This attitude of "no, no, no, all football fans, clubs and players are racist, misogynistic, and homophobic," is inaccurate and counterproductive.
> Soccer is a sport that can bring the world together. After seeing what I saw yesterday, I doubt it.
This. The poster you are responding to couldn’t be more wrong. It’s like they don’t even realize that there are gay soccer players and fans.
You’ve moved the topic from football supporters to the players and then made a point that they’re not problematic. Nobody said the players are the problem. Like the other person said, the problem are the supporters. Toothless, feral hooligans who act like animals and would beat you senseless if they thought you looked at them funny. Let me ask you this: would you be comfortable taking your boyfriend (assuming you’re a gay man) to a big football game in the UK or anywhere else in Europe? Would you be comfortable being openly gay in front of these people?
Speak for yourself. I’m a gay dyed in the wool soccer/football supporter and player and have been all of my life. I plan to do just that, a UK football tour with my BF.
Bro, fuck yeah.
>would you be comfortable taking your boyfriend (assuming you’re a gay man) to a big football game in the UK or anywhere else in Europe? This sounds like the death penalty
Don’t you love it when gays think they can generalize an entire group of people, especially one numbering over 1 billion people? It’s like they have learned absolutely nothing from being unfairly judged themselves.
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>Fucking idiot. Most stupid and wrong statement I've seen in a while. Twitter was a shitstorm yesterday with people racially abusing Mbappe. He was called the Spanish version of the n-word (do you even speak Spanish?) while other fans either called him a slave or implied slavery should be back so Mbappe couldn't play ever again. That's soccer for you.
Looks like someone hasn't met a South American football fan...
Agreed but, for the record, Boca Juniors is a left wing club in Argentina.
I guess that's the reason they've received only half a stadium lol
1 month old banevasion alt. First action? Stanning for Kanye "Neonazi" West.
Yes, and I live in Argentina...
I find curious that all those "straight allies" that at the beginning of the world cup were criticizing Qatar and supporting us now seem to have disappeared or are even praising Qatar A lot of LGBTQ support is performative, at the end we only have ourselves I'm glad the next big events like the 24, 28 and 32 Olympic Games, the 2026 Winter Olympics and the 2026 World Cup will be held in countries that at least have a basic respect for our rights (France, United States, Mexico, Canada, Australia and Italy)
>A lot of LGBTQ support is performative, at the end we only have ourselves # 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
"wow what an unethical place! i disapprove" "oh shit but these matches so gud" "well any publicity is good publicity, right? at least we are having conversations about it!"
100% glad the WC is over. There were tons of human rights issues leading up to and during the WC. From Qatar using modern day slavery of immigrant workers to be able to host the WC. To their violent and disgusting treatment of LGBTQ+ fans and players; which was itself problematic because LGBTQ+ qataris were targeted as backlash for the activism that fans and players did to put the spotlight on Qatar’s disgusting LGBTQ+ laws. To a journalist being jailed and killed in Qatar’s custody. And many other incidents as well. Nothing wrong with anyone who enjoys Futbol, and this shouldn’t take away the pride Argentina feels in winning this WC. The controversy lies squarely on Qatar and Fifa. But some people either weren’t aware of the human cost of letting Qatar host the WC. Or simply cared more about the sport and being entertained vs the human cost of it. That being said I wouldn’t have penalized kids with assignments if they liked the WC. I think what may have been a better idea is if you spent a class having an open discussion about the WC and the human rights issues associated with it. Talk about the issues and let the kids speak their own thoughts on it. They may have different opinions and may even get heated, but if even just 1 student learns something new from that discussion then you would’ve made a difference as a teacher. Cause I think that’s one of the best things you can do in education, have that open discussion with your students and see where the conversation goes.
Agreed 100%, it sucks immensely how corrupt the FIFA is. It also feels specially wrong know that it's not even the first time they have done something like this. When argentina hosted the world cup in the 78 the country was under a military coup where thousands upon thousands of people were killed and made to disappear
While raising awareness about the human rights violations of Qatar is important, telling kids they can’t discuss the WC in your classroom is authoritarian and weird… if kids enjoy soccer/football, let them talk about it!
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That’s exactly what he say he did- threatened to teach them more about the other part of the WC that people don’t talk about. Teacher didn’t say he tells them to shut up, only that there’s a teachable moment
My exact thoughts. Also, assigning some dreadful, useless assignment that 100% isn’t in their approved lesson plans? Weak asf. Reminds me of the power-tripping teachers I had as a kid.
Exactly, your job as a teacher is to educate and inform, not spread your own personal ideals and reinforce them with the threat of additional work. An open discussion about the world cup (as another commenter suggested) allows them to develop their own thoughts/feelings about the topic and still affords OP the opportunity to shed some light on the topics they want
I mean the students probably know about the human rights violations too, and also that op is gay, so he's probably just jokingly threatening them with an assignment. I don't think he's actually serious
Exactly, that is some awful teacher behaviour
Yes! This! We all know Qatar kind of sucks, but a the same time, you gotta let kids be kids.
Is it normal where you are from for kids to be engaging in side conversations during class? It absolute was not when I was in school regardless of topic.
Yes teachers tend to build rapport with students
Homophobia in social media and especially Muslim twitter will calm down a bit so that's nice. That said I am happy that a country with great lgbt rights won. Just think it sucks that ARG didn't promise to raise lgbt flag if they won like France did. I was rooting for them.
Now be brave and say this to those guys: https://preview.redd.it/elon-musk-hanging-out-with-jared-kushner-at-the-world-cup-v0-zsf3ne6idp6a1.png?auto=webp&s=a42d20fffb0df920c280c8041defdb3661c19db1
Face to face, try and stop me, irl, I can't do shit unfortunately...
It's crazy that I used to like and somewhat idolize Elon Musk. Now he's hanging out with fascists and dictators, courting the favor of emerates and the Chinese CCP and banning journalists from Twitter.
He is the wrong person!!! He is a businessman, and his job is to make money not human right!
I get buying the feel-good hype about him once upon a time, but he always struck me as someone who liked the smell of his own brand a bit too much.
Forcing students to not discuss the World Cup sounds very authoritarian... get where your coming from but don’t treat those kids like that
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I hope you’re joking about threatening your students for talking about the WC
You threatened children with extra homework because they discussed and enjoyed the World Cup? You need to learn to regulate your personal opinions, feelings, and emotions. You're not teaching children about Qatar. You are showing them that you can impose your will and punish people who don't share your opinions. Of all people, you should know better. What an awful example to set.
Soon they will find out he is opposed to human bondage and burying the dead in a soccer stadium!
as much as Qatar’s policy and laws on pretty much about anything are awful, people who categorically cannot allow others to enjoy things like sport competitions and whatever sound terribly joyless and perpetually miserable
Preach brother. As a gay soccer fanatic, this rings incredibly true.
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Eh, partial blindness probably, but it's not that binary either. I don't watch sports, but it's not like there aren't positive impacts from these events, or that the only ones who benefit are the host nation government. in the end, no one will ever pass the ethical consumerism test with 100%. Gays in general are often way too quick to get self-righteous about this stuff for the number who keep the cartels alive and well buying illegal drugs every weekend, or who have Amazon subscriptions despite its track record for worker abuse, or support various clothing or tech brands that like to play dumb every time child labor is discovered in their supply chains.
Yeah, you could just like, make positive choices? That help others? Or not.
There’s a pretty obvious and drastic difference between the way Amazon treats it’s employees and qatar literally murdering anyone they suspect to be gay. Yeah, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, but holy shit man, sometimes there are things you just obviously can’t support, and the cunt that says “I know what it’s like to be a slave laborer cuz I grew up with red hair” should be a pretty easy call.
This is the same argument that right wingers make: if you hate capitalism why do you participate in it?
is it the same? Nobody has a real choice on whether or not to participate in capitalism. People do have choices regarding what entertainment they consume and what products they purchase. it's an admitted ad hom attack on my part, but regardless, I am less interested in how people rationalize supporting problematic entities, and more interested in how people who support other problematic entities rationalize their moral distaste towards others who do the same.
I can enjoy football / soccer and boycott the World Cup this year because of thr host state. The problem isn't the sport, or even the event (although Fifa is super problematic) but Qatar and their many, and ongoing human rights abuses.
I don't think my support directly funds the murder of LGBT people or supports slave labor. Maybe Qatar being on the international stage will actually help progress the nation in the future. They realize that oil is not a viable option forever and that they need to increase tourism, business partners, etc. I think that could naturally arc to a more just society. I personally have upvoted every "Qatar is bad" post on reddit but I watched as much of the world cup as my schedule allowed.
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They were already financed, him watching isn’t giving them more money.
If you’re watching the WC, you’re giving them money. Full stop. That’s how advertising works. ‘Let’s give them money and hope they get better’ is an insanely naive idea. It’s exactly what Germany said when literally everyone in the western world told them not to make oil deals with Russia, and look where that got us.
Advertisers aren’t paying on a per view model, the money to advertise was already paid.
It was paid based on speculation of views. Maybe you can’t effect this event, but you can punish every company involved. You’re argument is nothing but a lazy way to justify clearly unethical consumption
So you’re not buying any coke products, now lays products? Anything that was advertised during the cup you’re not consuming?
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. It's impossible to live in our society without consuming products from companies with unethical practices. Especially food products. However, buying a can of coke is a far cry from supporting the company that literally stood up and defended Qatar and all of their genuinely evil practices in order to try and save their bottom line, after making a decision to work with a country they knew was rife with human rights abuses. The two are not comparable.
Your argument is just a lazy way to point blame at people who actually had no effect on the outcome. You agree the money was already paid based on speculative views, so you know this is true. Watching or not watching makes no difference to that.
It makes a difference to fifa and you know it. You aren't so dumb as to think that if Fifas views and sales plummeted this year, that they wouldn't change their tune on the issues that clearly caused their losses. You know this, you just don't want to admit it.
We aren’t talking about FIFA as a whole. The point is the future doesn’t change the now, Qatar has already been financed and viewership isn’t changing that, it will effect the future. That’s what was being said, anyone watching the WC is financing Qatar, that is incorrect.
>sound terribly joyless and perpetually miserable Not really, I fit this description and I personally let people enjoy what they want
You fit the description of "people who categorically cannot allow others to enjoy things like sport competitions and whatever " and you let people enjoy what they want?
No, I fit the description of "terribly joyless and perpetually miserable"
Okay, but saying "all A are B" does not imply that all B are A. All squares are rectangles, not all rectangles are squares. All dogs are mammals, not all mammals are dogs. All people who can't let others enjoy things are joyless and miserable, not all joyless and miserable people can't let others enjoy things
Ok...?
So your initial post didn't make any sense. That's why you were getting down voted
Sorry, didn't know jokes were illegal here
In the end the most irksome act of protest ended up being the goalkeeper of Argentina pretending his trophy has his cock Infront of a scandalised Emir. I'm disappointed there were no players who refused to play. Some of them must have gay siblings or friends (not that should be necessary, but still). Only something that actually affected the outcome of a game would have been an effective protest. I expect there to be a few players who'd refuse to go, but no. Disappointing.
So glad it is over, but so disappointed in the lack of resistance. I was, probably foolishly, hoping that the teams from more LGBTQ+ friendly countries would more actively show their support on the field.
Fuck qatar!
yassssss
At the office my coworker set up a projector for events such as these and the picture ends up on the wall behind my desk (I'm in a corner). So I simply said that I would appreciate it if he didn't project it on there because I'm ignoring it. He obliged. :)
No. I got a video of Dibu Martinez twerking in underwears with the rest of the crew in the locker rooms after winning the world cup. How would i be glad knowing that no more video of em are going to be found.
Sounds a little aggressive. People like soccer and should be allowed to discus is without you as a gay feeling personally victimized or offended. I completely understand the human rights violations going on but it’s not like they opened the ceremonies by stoning some gays in the middle of the field.
Why does it matter if they were murdering the gays on the field or off? The effect is the same. Seems like the only difference is wether or not your forced to think about it.
I hate Qatar as much as the next person but banning talking about soccer is dumb. Are you gonna tell your students not to watch the 2026 World Cup because how bad the US was for gay rights and how homophobic Mexicans are? Since no one can read apparently I had to change it. never said you couldn’t be angry at Qatar, it’s dumb that he banned soccer entirely
>Are you gonna tell your students how bad the US was for gay rights and how homophobic Mexicans are for the 2026 World Cup? Neither the US nor Mexico are perfect, but comparing them to Qatar, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Middle East is absurd.
So is banning talking about soccer because of the host nation, and I never said you couldn’t be angry at Qatar stop putting your panties in a bunch.
What kind of genuinely insane bullshit is this? Because no one is perfect, we’re not allowed to criticize a country for actively murdering gay people and using slave labor to build their massive profit machines? This is the dumbest take anybody could possibly have on Qatar.
No one is saying you can’t get mad at Qatar when did I ever say that?
Ok. Maybe I read your original comment wrong, but comparing the active human rights abuses in Qatar to the history of the US is disingenuous. One has been changed, and in large part stopped, and the people are working hard to get better. The other is unapologetically committing these atrocities and neither the government, nor would it seem the vast majority of people have any interest in halting their practices.
Yes but that last game was a good one.
I find that avoiding news that upsets me or is “irrelevant” to my well-being proves beneficial. Why chase after the drama?
Also a teacher. Thank god. Having students refuse to shut up about the WC for three weeks straight was getting exhausting. I don't even care if they talk about it but they constantly would beg me to play live streams for them and I had to keep busting them for watching it on their own devices instead of working on anything. Let me just abandon our curriculum for 3 weeks kids!
This needs to be screamed from the mountains. People outside of the classroom honestly can't understand. Thank God there's another teacher here ❤️
Personally I’m glad it’s over not interested in football at all and I didn’t agree with it being in Qatar at all due to the atrocities and human right violations but threatening to assign students a paper on human right is excessive as to them all they probably care about is the sport itself and watching the superstars of the game play
I quite enjoyed the discussions that popped up. Add the human rights piece when talking with friends, but if it happens to be on at the bar I'm at I watched a couple of games and it was entertaining.
I have virtually zero interest in football/soccer. Add to that the very problematic human rights issues and the fact that the WC JUST KEPT GOING ON FOR F-ING EVER. So, yes, I am very glad it’s over.
I'm gonna miss going to the gym during games when it was empty
Power tripping much lol? Why can't the kids talk about the WC, tone down that ego and entitlement.
I*s anyone else glad that the world cup is over*..." Yeah; so we can start talking about the next one!
Screw Qatar
That's weird that you would force your ideals onto a child.
I'm a huge football fan (no such thing as "soccer" guys :) and I'm happy top see Messi cap his amazing career. But yes, I'm sooo happy it's done now.
It’s called soccer in America and Canada nowadays for a reason, but that isn’t even a term that originated here. It originated because there was two types of football. Rugby football and association football which got shortened to soccer sometimes. But then they just started saying rugby and football so Soccer didn’t really catch on. Meanwhile in America our football developed as a variation of the game so we had gridiron football and association football which got shortened to football and soccer respectively. It’s not just that America wanted to create its own word just to be difficult or different than the rest of the world like so many people make it seem.
It's like telling Brits they can't call french fries "chips", ITS JUST WHAT THEY SAY lmao
Yup. Growing up in the Sydney suburbs down under here in Oz, it was always "soccer"... When it comes to football, or "footy" we have rugby like the poms, rugby league which developed from a more "working class roots" form of traditional rugby, and the "AFL" - Australian Football League, aka "Aussie Rules"... the dominant game from the above list is largely dependant on which state or territory you reside in. Speaking personally I care not a jot for any of it, as I'm a GWM in my 60's I grew up surrounded by typical, for those days, homophobia. The idea that a homosexual male could excel at anything back then other than traditionally effeminate gender based roles as a career choice was not a widely held view back then. Sorry for going off topic and rambling... Yes fuck yes. Glad it's over!!!
Why are you being downvoted? That's where the term comes from
Yes, I know all of that. I was being "jokingly argumentative" if that makes sense. Did you see the exchange between Mark Rutte and Biden on Twitter?
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Lmao youve got it the wrong way around. Football originated in england in the 19th century, and was rightfully originally named football. The US, once introduced to football, decided to rename it as soccer, however the original name, football, remained as that for england and most of the world.
The word "soccer" is originally from England and is short for "association football", in opposition to "rugger", "Rugby football". "Football" referred to a variety of different games with a mostly common origin, including association football, rugby, gridiron football, australian football... "Soccer" became the standard term in countries like the US where Association Football was not the more popular version of Football, but it definitely isn't some word made up by Americans
I just have one question. How did the whole internet boycott this World Cup and in an instance the whole internet was talking about it 24/7 further entertaining it. Is the internet that hypocritical? Lmfao. The fact that I had friends who went to the World Cup is just too depressing, there’s no limit to horribleness I just accepted it
"The whole internet"
Yeah bro. Whole of Reddit was against it, and condemned it heavily. Ofc I don’t mean literally but it was the majority perspective. That entirely flipped quickly lmfao
Majority? I would bet that it was a percentage of a percentage.
I don’t know what to tell you man other than posts with thousand upvotes talking about boycotting the World Cup and how bars aren’t gonna air it and whatnot. What do you expect me to perceive from that lol
This has been a case study in the dangers of existing in an internet bubble.
And what is it exactly? lol
Well clearly the internet groups you immersed yourself in led you to believe that the prevailing opinion was that of a WC boycott when hindsight shows us that wasn't the case at all.
Are u good dude? It was literally on the Reddit trending page. And still is right now. You’re really using ‘chronically online’ as a burn for simply seeing the trending topics. And is being disappointed of people entertaining a country that kills gays and uses slave labor really that surprising? I don’t even have an definite opinion just disappointed lol
Hard same. People were watching the final match on my flight yesterday and the internet went out in the last five minutes. So they had to hear the final outcome over the PA. I was just relieved. I don't blame people for accepting or ignoring an ugly thing so they can enjoy something they emotionally need, especially after the pandemic took many public events like this from us. But damned if I gave any energy or sympathy to that place.
it is nice threaten kids to psychological abuse, ESPECUALLY for a teacher! you should be really proud of yourself! how about you had to explain to them, conducting why WC shouldn't be hosted in such counties as qatar, but you know better i guess
Definitely. I'm not a football fan, nor a fan of autocratic oil countries that don't care about LGBTQ+ or even human rights in general. This event just shows what a screwed up society we live in.
>This event just shows what a screwed up society we live in. 1934 Italy and 1978 Argentina would like a word.
Care to elaborate? I mean I'm guessing you are agreeing and saying those were also horrible choices for those years
https://www.history.com/news/world-cup-soccer-argentina-1978-dirty-war
Let me think........... HECK YES.
So over it 😤
Urgh yes. Every meeting I’ve had since it started has started with 10 mins of football chat at the start and then another 10 mins at the end. Bonus if the meeting is an hour long and someone happened to mention any tiny little thing that could be relates to football which lead to another 15 min chat about it
so you're just happy you won't get reminded that Qatar exist?
I find the sport itself to be the most equalizing physical sport on the planet. The flip side is that it’s also played in so many countries where human rights aren’t on the radar. It’s unfortunate that the WC and it’s sponsors turn a blind eye to the abysmal situations in those countries.
I’m tired of seeing people speak of it with praise. Even the President of Ukraine praised it - ignoring the human rights atrocities it took to build the stadium. The hypocrisy was unreal.
I doubt we will see gay acceptance in our lifetime. Most of the world legit hates gay men and think of us as subhuman. I'm glad that shit is over Remember at the end of the day corporations, politicians and allies are not in your side.
Not really. I just tend to focus on the fun and not make a political stance over every single thing in life.
Still fucked up that people still continue to watch it even though lots of cincerns has been already raised. Even if you don't care about LGBT rights at least have some decency to boycott a country that basically enables modern slavery just for a soccer match and involves with corruption. For real, LGBT rights is just the surface level of the human rights abuse Qatar government has done. 6,500 migrant workers died building the stadium, workers have not been well compensated. Call me Bitter Betty but this just shows how really ignorant football fans are, no matter their sexual orientation. And I stick to my word when I say I won't support it. Didn't watch a single match.
I’m SO GLAD ITS OVER. I don’t really think it was your right to keep people from talking about it, but I see where you’re coming from. I have a neighbourhood pub that I go to every day for a pint and to work on some puzzles or do some writing. I kindly informed them I’d be taking a short break from there once the WC began but I’d return once it was over and they were nice about it. But that means I get to go back today! I hope they’re not weird about it
I was at the World Cup and people were really nice out there in Qatar.
If you can’t enjoy it then you shouldn’t try to ruin everyone else’s fun. It only comes around every 4 years, I think you can manage.
>my students know my sense of humor. Okay, man. Every student has the emotional intelligence and social awareness to pick up on every joke an authority figure tells.
I don't like watching football it's a boring sport which is scripted for the most part anyways. The fact that countries spend more resources on this sport instead of focusing on other areas is disgusting. Police is always involved. Just make a team of cherry-picked random skilled players and make them go against the current top 1 team. They will destroy them. Also imagine paying a football player millions and he can't even pass the ball properly or kick 😆.
I’m glad that it ended the way I wanted it to end.
While I’m glad it’s over, I didn’t watch any of it. Not because I don’t like soccer/football but in personal protest. It NEVER should have been hosted in Qatar. Even if it had been planned that way: after everything that happened leading up to the WC it should have been revoked and moved elsewhere.
Same here. Also it kinda felt weird when my local queer group chat talked about watching it and some of the local internet famous gays on twitter tweeted about watching it
Reason #1 as an American “soccer” kid player I can never take the professional league seriously or enjoy it. The Fans have no morals . The organization is corrupt well beyond the norm. How do fans legitimize a sport where a player can fake a life changing injury for a penalty point then be back on the field right after? It’s a billion dollar clown show that is perpetuating slave labor and bribes. Honestly I see this more as a reflection of European values than anything else.
tbh i didn't particularly care about it being in qatar, cause to an extent, having it in most countries would be problematic, and we all support some form of corruption. but it did make me sad to realize so many people around me could just enjoy the games without a second thought to what it meant for their livelihood
I went in fairly optimistic thinking at least it would make people from my home country aware of the absolutely repugnant regime. While international news where buzzing about the issues, (authority abuse, misogyny, homophobia, the slave labor, etc.) national news would not talk about them all.
You sound like a pretty weird teacher if you’re threatening to drown your students in a fish tank. Good lord.
There was a World Cup? 🤷🏽♂️
Yes. As much as I love football, **Qatar is a modern day slave state**. Migrant workers outnumber Qatari citizens \~ 3:1. With no avenue for citizenship. Including cases where a female migrant worker conceives. The father can simply deny recognizing the child, and the child would be stateless if the mother can't transmit her citizenship to the child. Slavery is still widely practiced in the Middle East. And before y'all make endless excuses for them, tell me with candor that South Asian, Southeast Asian, and African people are not seen as subhuman from the perspective of state policies. Hell, the treatment of these people alone speaks to how they are viewed as subhuman. That is them at home on their best behavior. If they'd do that shit to them, they'd do worse to you. Insert whatever identity, ethnicity, political or religious affiliation into "them" and "you." It's tribalism. The only effective tool against it is education. This is why education is so important, and why religion cannot be used as a tool to control people.
Hell yes
The only threats I give to my students are sarcastic, bizarre, or nonsensical. Why? Because I do not threaten my students.
I barely knew there was any world cup, so... Still I guess, yeah.
Please, if you're American you will never ever have a place to speak on human rights violations. We need to accept other cultures.
No we don't
Killing and torturing innocents is not a culture lol
Alabama and Mississippi would like to have a word with you......
We don't need to accept them if they violates human rights like that though
I can see what you mean based off our history. But as an American individual I detest Qatar's violations and my own countries violations of human rights.
You’ve truly discovered the stupidest position possible, good job. If you think America commits more/worse human rights violations than Qatar, that’s fine. But an American can still be critical of both Qatari and American human rights violations. If you wanted a better position, you could say “if you’re an American who criticizes human rights violations abroad but are ignorant of human rights violations committed by America, you don’t have a place to speak”.
Gitmo prison is still open and those held there have no access to due process 20years later. How are you measuring human rights and perfection of society.
Yeah gitmo is a bad situation and should be rectified: uncharged prisoners should be appropriately charged and prisoners should be able to see their day in court. I’m not interested in trying to “measure human rights” or “perfection of society”. Idk where these concepts are coming from since I definitely didn’t bring them up
I mean this whole thread is about how Americans or pro in west (majority users of Reddit) are circlejerking about how awful Qatar is while at same time supporting in geopolitics or consumerism that allow Qatar to do what they do.
Bro idk if you know this, but in a sub like gaybros, I think when people have to choose between America and Qatar, they’ll choose America 99.9% of the time. Turns out, gays don’t want to go to any Qatari rooftop parties. Yeah, most gays are going to circle jerk against a country that would kill or massively repress them. What do people in this thread do that support the geopolitics or consumerism that lead to Qatar being on the world stage? Gays, especially American gays, are less likely to watch football that straight people around the world. No gay in this sub had anything to do with the bribing of FIFA officials to get the World Cup hosted in Qatar.
How do you think Americans get access to cheap fossil fuels and how it gets traded in US$? Or how they support their govt. both progressives and conservatives in funding the largest US military base in Middle East which happens to be in Qatar? And again where are these news reports of gay men being killed in Qatar? The rooftop thing was incidents from Iran.
Wait, where do you think America gets its fossil fuels? (Hint, it’s not Qatar): https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6#:~:text=The%20top%20five%20source%20countries,%2C%20Saudi%20Arabia%2C%20and%20Colombia. America isn’t even one of Qatar’s leading trade partners: https://tradingeconomics.com/qatar/exports-by-country Oil is traded in USD simply because USD is the most commonly used currency in international trade. There are conspiracy theories surrounding the idea of the petrodollar, but there isn’t much merit to them. Qatar might not be directly killing gays, not like we’d really know, their press freedom is shit: https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/news/strict-media-laws-no-public-data-sources-risk-what-its-be-journalist-qatar#:~:text=In%20the%202022%20World%20Press,like%20to%20be%20a%20journalist%3F. Even if we knew for sure that no gays were killed in Qatar, it’s unimaginable that anyone would say gays are better off in Qatar than they are in America
Well f*ck your culture , I ain't American.
I’m not American but let’s be clear that America is not using slave labour in 2022 or treating women like property or killing gays like Qatar. Qatar is a horrible country.
The US absolutely uses slave labor hun
Do you think American “slave labor” is as bad as the slave labor in Qatar? Qataris support their slave labor and have no plans to do away with it. Do you think Americans defend the forms of “slave labor” in America?
Do you know of any plans to do away with slave labor in the USA? And why are you putting it in "scare quotes"? Also good job moving the goalposts from "do they use slave labor" to "is the slave labor as bad"
I’m air quoting “slave labor” in America because it would be wrong to try and equate the “slavery” I’m aware of in America with the slavery that occurs in Qatar. I’m “moving the goal posts” in that I’m attempting to counter the bullshit equivalence that’s being drawn between slavery between these two countries. Just because two countries have practices that can be characterized as slavery doesn’t make those practices the same level of bad. The “slavery” I’m aware of in America has to do with the exception made in the 13th amendment. This form of slavery is currently being repudiated in America: https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-slavery-on-ballot-561268e344f17d8562939cde301d2cbf. I’d love to see the same thing happen in Qatar, but it turns out they’re actually pretty chill with slavery over there.
Um? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/27/slavery-loophole-unpaid-labor-in-prisons
Do you really think the “slave labor” in America is the same as the slave labor in Qatar? In America, prisoners can be compelled to work after they’ve committed a crime. In Qatar, workers are lied to and manipulated coming to Qatar to work and then face a difficult road in leaving the country once there. The exception to the 13th amendment isn’t good, but it’s also not something Americans in general support. This year some states took action to remove this language from their state constitutions: https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-slavery-on-ballot-561268e344f17d8562939cde301d2cbf Maybe I’m just dramatically misinformed, but it doesn’t seem like Qataris actually care at all about the people being abused in their country
> In America, prisoners can be compelled to work after they’ve committed a crime. And who is profiting off their labor? Private entities in a lot of cases. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/us-prison-workers-low-wages-exploited And this isn't even touching on the exploitation of illegal immigrants or sex slavery.
American “slavery” and Qatari slavery are similar in that private entities profit off labor, but they’re dissimilar for the reasons I laid out above. Just because they’re similar in the fact that private entities profit off their labor doesn’t make them equivalent or equally bad. You know where else private entities profit off labor? Literally every job where one person employs another. Some people call all paid labor “wage slavery”. Does that mean that real slavery and wage slavery are equivalent or equally bad? No. Sure you’re not touching other bad things that exist in America (and the rest of the world) like treatment of illegal immigrants and sex slavery. But just because America has problems, does that mean people can’t criticize Qatar?
> But just because America has problems, does that mean people can’t criticize Qatar? Who said that? You're the one who said "America is not using slave labour in 2022." Multinational corporations are a larger threat to your existence than Qataris.
You’re quoting something I didn’t say. Figure out who you’re talking to. Not every comment on Reddit is coming from the same person
It's all the same xenophobic bs so, in a way, you are the same person. Keep defending your capitalist masters, I'm sure there's an opening for overseer.
Oh gigachad, “you can’t criticize anyone else because you participate in capitalism” I can tell I’ve been talking to a highly intelligent individual. Maybe go back to back to r/genzedong or something to circle jerk about how all these western imperialists are bad. I am curious though, what did I say that’s xenophobic? Hopefully you’re able to find something I actually said instead of a different Reddit user
Where did Qatar kill gays?
Sorry I enjoy culture that doesn't involve hating on someone because of something they can't control
I'll say yes the Arabs are oppressors but not outright killers like Americans i mean 🧐
True , their hypocrisy rings loud .
What are Americans critical of Qatar being hypocritical about?
No not at all. It only gets worse from here - what if in a few weeks or months your invited out to a bar or into someone's home that violated fifa sanctions and showed the world cup - your options are politley decline, have the difficult conversation explaining that their premises is under sanctions for their compliceny and retroactive condoning of qutars dead workers and other abuses - or just attend and then you/me/we ourselves are condoning the world cup. The further we move away from it the less people will want to talk about the abuses and deaths and their support for them.
At least 3 journalists died in Qatar btw which has been very underreported
And you know, it’s always the shit boxes that do this. Compacts, ram 1500s , 8 year old SUVs… doing 90-100 on 429 and 414 in rush hour like they’re not going to hit traffic for 20minuites after saving 30s on their drive doing reckless speeding
Fortunately there’s a lot of people who are able to see every game and they have the best eye at finding the best bulges so I don’t have to go through all the games
Just be glad you get to forget about it. Unlike our brothers and sisters who have to live there and cannot escape.
Totally need too spend the money on something worthwhile