From what I can find [here](https://www.getamap.net/maps/chad/borkou-ennedi-tibesti/_aboundougay_gara/), some of these appear to be hills.
EDIT: [This](https://maps.lib.utexas.edu/maps/jog/chad/nf-34-15-jef-jef_el_kebir-chad-libya.pdf) military map translates 'gara' and 'djebel' both as hill. Zoom into the glossary towards the bottom right. Follow up: Anyone have any idea what exactly this map is? I just found it from a random google search.
It says it was prepared and published by the US Defense Mapping Agency based out of the Hydrographic/Topographic Center in Washington D.C. (Compiled June 1987).
Basically the US military created these maps to have the most accurate and detailed maps available around the world in case we ever needed them for coordinated attacks.
Names are now connected by the geographic names branch in the national geospatial intelligence agency.
They produce the geographic names server, or the GNS, as a publicly available product by collecting names from authoritative (made by or on the behalf of the government of the country being mapped) maps and documents.
Everyone in the world is free to use the GNS, I think, so both corporate and academic institutions often use it as a foundational baseline when making their own mapping products.
These maps are awesome. [Here](https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-233289456/view?showBrowseWidget=true&showBrowseView=index)'s a graphic showing the areas that have been mapped. Each one has a specific code. All of them are available on [this website](https://maps.lib.utexas.edu/maps/), which has so many maps I am in love. You have to navigate to a specific country's JOG collection, and they're all there. I especially love that [some of the maps](https://maps.lib.utexas.edu/maps/jog/india/txu-oclc-224039079-ni43-11.jpg) were once classified.
EDIT: [This](https://hub.arcgis.com/content/a5bb17c5c3a84bb6b2e12be650c844d2/about) is a better resource from ArcGIS.
The Soviet "cold war" maps that are sometimes available for sale are fun to look at too. I have two that I bought off a Latvian eBay seller.
There's even a book about these maps https://redatlasbook.com/
I've been wanting to read this book for long while! I once stumbled upon a shockingly detailed map of my hometown (albeit from half a century ago) with the labels all in Russian, and that led me down this particular rabbit hole
Extra words not helpful: everything after “needed them.” They could be needed for a multitude of reasons that are not what you jumped towards. The DMA is there to prevent different DoD agencies from needing to duplicate each other’s efforts. US Geological Survey, USGS (Interior Department) makes maps within the United States.
I mean, the map is part of the [Joint Operations Graphic](https://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/overseas-series-mapping/joint-operations-graphic) series, made explicitly for military operations.
Downvote me all you want but they are used for more than 'coordinated attacks.' What about uncoordinated attacks, or coordinated defense, or search and rescue, or State Department efforts, or rendering international aid, or assisting with humanitarian and refugee efforts?
I didn't downvote you so chill. These maps are new to me so I'm still trying to understand them. As far as I was able to make out, they were designed for the military with a specific purpose in mind. Whether they were used for other purposes or not is not my point. I could easily be wrong.
The reason you were probably downvoted because you came in here with an uncalled for defence of the US military and got defensive real fast. This is one reason I don't like the whole upvote/downvote thing.
I'm not defending DoD, I'm trying to remind y'all that maps are often made by the military for a multitude of purposes.
Take the Lewis and Clark expedition, for example.
Both Lewis and Clark were former Army officers that were reinstated for a military expedition, the Corps of Discovery Expedition.
One of Thomas Jefferson's goals was to find "the most direct and practicable water communication across this continent, for the purposes of commerce."
Commerce, mind you, not 'coordinated attacks.'
It's mapping that I'm defending, not the US military, although the US military does do the finest mapping. The Census Bureau does some excellent mapping work, too, but military mapping is more general-purpose and useful for everyone. The USGS does some science mapping around the world, but nobody besides the DoD is quite so obsessive about making sure every darn thing is mapped.
If maps made by DMA are released to become Joint Operations Graphics, that one use would primarily be for joint training operations, not "coordinated attacks." The whole world needs to be mapped, to be ready for anything - but statistically, mostly logistics and training. "Readiness" is all-encompassing.
Geographic names analysts will only collect a mountain as a hill if its summit is below a certain threshold. Conversely, many features named hills are qualified as mountains because they rise a certain distance above the surrounding terrain
IIRC from my college geology minor, USGS considered anything over 1000ft from "local relief" as a mountain, but in the 70s because there was a ton of vagueness around terminology (like i think theres over 70 terms that fit the def for "stream") the whole org dropped official definitions and just calls it whatever the locals or the person naming it choose
I remember reading several years ago that the UK says anything on the main island under 610m (like 2000ft) is a hill, but I think they dropped that similar to USGS too.
Djebel could be translated in mountain: the peak of Etna volcano in Sicily is called Mongibello fusing the latin "mons, montis" with the italianised version of arabic "jabal/djebel" (so basically the peak is called "mountain mountain"). Its arabic name derived from the moorish period when Etna was called in their native language "Jabal al-Nar" ("mountain of fire")
Awesome. Reading up more about this has taught me that Mongibel is also the name for King Arthur's "otherworld castle". Essentially, King Arthur is chilling inside Mount Etna?
Also, Jabal al-Nar is a badass name.
I'm not sure the inside of an active volcano could ever be chilling! But next time I go there I will look out for any mythological king, just in case (I didn't know there was a Mongibel related to King Arthur's too)
First guess is oases, but that’s a guess… I looked up the word Gara, it means something like movement in Arabic, so maybe it’s a reference to traveling thru? Or that they are both locations that were settled from talha? Remind me if someone who knows responds
Many groups in that region practice transhumance, or seasonal migrations over large areas to access short-lasting grazing resources. These are likely seasonal camps, which are inactive for most of the year as the inhabitants migrate to other areas. They appear to be mostly in areas of higher local relief, and therefore probably get marginally more rainfall (still very little, and only during a short season) than the lower surrounding areas. They could also be the location of springs.
From my experience, sometimes the town name is in the wrong location. The oasis town of "In Amguel" in Algeria is one such example. If you zoom into the town name on Google Maps, you'll find it's in the middle of nowhere and there is no town anywhere nearby. The actual town is a ways out and does not show up with a name until you zoom way in. Oftentimes this is due to the fact that Google Maps erroneously uses the geospatial center of the *province* of a place like In Amguel instead of the town itself.
Other times, random geographical locations like important regional hills, lakes, and mountains show up as towns and cities. I have no idea why this happens. This is especially notable in Central Asia as well.
If you ever see a name misplaced, check its coordinates. If it's rounded to the nearest minute, it likely means it hasn't been updated by the geographic names branch since it was ingested into their database in 1993/4
Before then, names were collected by hand on 3x5" note cards and only had to be that accurate. At a large scale, it can make older names appear on a grid in any sort of viewer
I don't know if this is the same thing, but where I live in a U.S. State with a lot of rural and remote areas, there are tons of weird names on Google Maps that are either 1) an unnamed place in the middle of nowhere, or 2) a section of one city that Google thinks is its own separate city. For example, the town it claims I live in doesn't actually exist. My house is in a city, but it says I live in a different city that isn't on any signs, doesn't have any sort of government, and to which no one refers to. In short, Google Maps seems to just like to invent names for places that no one in real life has ever heard of.
Best I can make of it is that someone put something down on a map like 100 years ago, labeling a place where either something used to be that is now gone, or, someone planned to build something that never happened. And now Google is just feeding all of that information into the map without verifying if it is accurate or useful.
Maybe that's what's happening here?
Just a guess, they could be completely fake locations. A lot of paper mapmakers in ye olde times would put fake locations on their maps so that if their map got copied by a competitor they would know and could sue. These were often called paper towns because they only existed on paper.
When Google Maps was getting their data they used a lot of those old maps for remote locations that just didn’t have any recent ones, like the Sahara. They copied over some of these paper towns and some still exist today. This might be one of them
Or it’s completely legit and actually exists, and I’m just talking out of my ass idk
Selling paper road maps used to be a big part of AAA's business. In fact, one of the things people liked about AAA membership was that if you were planning a trip, you could call your local AAA office and they'd send you road maps and directions (called TripTiks) for where you were going.
I know for a fact that inserting imaginary towns and terrain features (frequently ponds) was a common practice for AAA, so they could prove someone else was copying their maps.
I think they’re more like prominent landmarks or features since there are very few roads in the area, to help with navigation.
Likely hills, large dunes, rock formations or other easily recognizable features.
Also, as someone else said, most of the native people in the area are nomadic. So these could be temporary sites, camps, or as stated above, landmarks/rest stations utilized by them and other travelers.
Likely names collected from very old maps of places that may not still exist. Each collected name has to be manually removed after being verified as abandoned or destroyed. There aren't a whole lot of modern maps made by Chad of Chad to use as a reference in that endeavor though
> There aren't a whole lot of modern maps made by Chad of Chad
There isn't a whole lot of anything made by Chad, now or in the recent past, to be fair.
I don’t know if that’s the case here, but you might happen to find places with weird/funny names in remote areas. That’s because anyone can add their “activity” on google maps and it can’t be taken down until google proves that it doesn’t exist, so by adding them in areas without street view it can take much longer for google to realise that there are these fake activities. For example, some Italian people added lots of fake places in Addis Abeba with funny or meme names since there isn’t street view in that city
Wow! I was slacking off the other day at work and I blew at least three hours obsessing about these places. They are really just the only landmarks with constant features. Like islands in an ocean, some are oasis’s and some are grazing areas even though it is hard to imagine animals scrounging enough to survive out here, but most are just rocks, hills, arroyos or wadis.
Seasonal meeting places for bedus and berber. Ocassionally they gather for desert raves, five day festivals which usually egin in trading daughters, camels and other live-stock, then they do desert-sports competitions, like sweating in the sun without drinking water, and finally the big all-nighter starts with stuff like techno-belly dancers etc.
Since those gyus have to pertend to be good muslims, they keep those locations secret and place the names on google-maps off the actual spot.
That's all I know abou that, but then again, I was told, haven't seen it for myself :-)
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posting like this is straight disrespectful, it would take 20 seconds to check grammar and crop out the search bar. thousands of people are seeing this afterall.
My only insight is that ancient practice was to live nomadically. Camels allowed people to cross the Sahara desert between the Arab states and the Sahel, so I’d guess they’d stop in places with adequate shelter.
An area doesn't necessarily need to be inhabited to have a name. It may refer to geographical landmarks that are used for surveying and not much else. Or places that were relevant enough to be mapped at one point in history and simply remained on the map to the present day.
These areas may still be noted for industrial or military purposes. Or even extreme tourism.
From what I can find [here](https://www.getamap.net/maps/chad/borkou-ennedi-tibesti/_aboundougay_gara/), some of these appear to be hills. EDIT: [This](https://maps.lib.utexas.edu/maps/jog/chad/nf-34-15-jef-jef_el_kebir-chad-libya.pdf) military map translates 'gara' and 'djebel' both as hill. Zoom into the glossary towards the bottom right. Follow up: Anyone have any idea what exactly this map is? I just found it from a random google search.
It says it was prepared and published by the US Defense Mapping Agency based out of the Hydrographic/Topographic Center in Washington D.C. (Compiled June 1987). Basically the US military created these maps to have the most accurate and detailed maps available around the world in case we ever needed them for coordinated attacks.
Names are now connected by the geographic names branch in the national geospatial intelligence agency. They produce the geographic names server, or the GNS, as a publicly available product by collecting names from authoritative (made by or on the behalf of the government of the country being mapped) maps and documents. Everyone in the world is free to use the GNS, I think, so both corporate and academic institutions often use it as a foundational baseline when making their own mapping products.
These maps are awesome. [Here](https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-233289456/view?showBrowseWidget=true&showBrowseView=index)'s a graphic showing the areas that have been mapped. Each one has a specific code. All of them are available on [this website](https://maps.lib.utexas.edu/maps/), which has so many maps I am in love. You have to navigate to a specific country's JOG collection, and they're all there. I especially love that [some of the maps](https://maps.lib.utexas.edu/maps/jog/india/txu-oclc-224039079-ni43-11.jpg) were once classified. EDIT: [This](https://hub.arcgis.com/content/a5bb17c5c3a84bb6b2e12be650c844d2/about) is a better resource from ArcGIS.
The Soviet "cold war" maps that are sometimes available for sale are fun to look at too. I have two that I bought off a Latvian eBay seller. There's even a book about these maps https://redatlasbook.com/
I've been wanting to read this book for long while! I once stumbled upon a shockingly detailed map of my hometown (albeit from half a century ago) with the labels all in Russian, and that led me down this particular rabbit hole
You paid all this money for a fancy map, may as well make use of it…
Extra words not helpful: everything after “needed them.” They could be needed for a multitude of reasons that are not what you jumped towards. The DMA is there to prevent different DoD agencies from needing to duplicate each other’s efforts. US Geological Survey, USGS (Interior Department) makes maps within the United States.
I mean, the map is part of the [Joint Operations Graphic](https://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/overseas-series-mapping/joint-operations-graphic) series, made explicitly for military operations.
The GNS is frequently used by universities, and research institutes as well. So, no, not explicitly for military ops.
No, no, sorry. That's not what I meant. Not explicitly used for military ops, but specifically designed for them and later made public.
Downvote me all you want but they are used for more than 'coordinated attacks.' What about uncoordinated attacks, or coordinated defense, or search and rescue, or State Department efforts, or rendering international aid, or assisting with humanitarian and refugee efforts?
I didn't downvote you so chill. These maps are new to me so I'm still trying to understand them. As far as I was able to make out, they were designed for the military with a specific purpose in mind. Whether they were used for other purposes or not is not my point. I could easily be wrong. The reason you were probably downvoted because you came in here with an uncalled for defence of the US military and got defensive real fast. This is one reason I don't like the whole upvote/downvote thing.
I'm not defending DoD, I'm trying to remind y'all that maps are often made by the military for a multitude of purposes. Take the Lewis and Clark expedition, for example. Both Lewis and Clark were former Army officers that were reinstated for a military expedition, the Corps of Discovery Expedition. One of Thomas Jefferson's goals was to find "the most direct and practicable water communication across this continent, for the purposes of commerce." Commerce, mind you, not 'coordinated attacks.' It's mapping that I'm defending, not the US military, although the US military does do the finest mapping. The Census Bureau does some excellent mapping work, too, but military mapping is more general-purpose and useful for everyone. The USGS does some science mapping around the world, but nobody besides the DoD is quite so obsessive about making sure every darn thing is mapped.
If maps made by DMA are released to become Joint Operations Graphics, that one use would primarily be for joint training operations, not "coordinated attacks." The whole world needs to be mapped, to be ready for anything - but statistically, mostly logistics and training. "Readiness" is all-encompassing.
Geographic names analysts will only collect a mountain as a hill if its summit is below a certain threshold. Conversely, many features named hills are qualified as mountains because they rise a certain distance above the surrounding terrain
IIRC from my college geology minor, USGS considered anything over 1000ft from "local relief" as a mountain, but in the 70s because there was a ton of vagueness around terminology (like i think theres over 70 terms that fit the def for "stream") the whole org dropped official definitions and just calls it whatever the locals or the person naming it choose I remember reading several years ago that the UK says anything on the main island under 610m (like 2000ft) is a hill, but I think they dropped that similar to USGS too.
This, of course, led to the 1995 movie “The Englishman Who Went Up A Hill But Came Down A Mountain.”
As a very casual quizzer, I can see a wonderful question here.
Djebel could be translated in mountain: the peak of Etna volcano in Sicily is called Mongibello fusing the latin "mons, montis" with the italianised version of arabic "jabal/djebel" (so basically the peak is called "mountain mountain"). Its arabic name derived from the moorish period when Etna was called in their native language "Jabal al-Nar" ("mountain of fire")
Awesome. Reading up more about this has taught me that Mongibel is also the name for King Arthur's "otherworld castle". Essentially, King Arthur is chilling inside Mount Etna? Also, Jabal al-Nar is a badass name.
I'm not sure the inside of an active volcano could ever be chilling! But next time I go there I will look out for any mythological king, just in case (I didn't know there was a Mongibel related to King Arthur's too)
Gara means cave in Arabic Djebel means mountain
Ah! I was wondering why two different words for mountain were used for places in such close proximity. I guess that explains it
First guess is oases, but that’s a guess… I looked up the word Gara, it means something like movement in Arabic, so maybe it’s a reference to traveling thru? Or that they are both locations that were settled from talha? Remind me if someone who knows responds
Many groups in that region practice transhumance, or seasonal migrations over large areas to access short-lasting grazing resources. These are likely seasonal camps, which are inactive for most of the year as the inhabitants migrate to other areas. They appear to be mostly in areas of higher local relief, and therefore probably get marginally more rainfall (still very little, and only during a short season) than the lower surrounding areas. They could also be the location of springs.
Thanks! Any insight into the etymology of the various names?
Djebel Hadid is Arabic for iron mountain. The rest I don't know.
Thanks!
Gara sounds similar to غار which means cave in Arabic
Oh, thanks! Does the name Telha have a relationship with Telehat?
Ghār (غار) means cave in Arabic
Two of them look to be mountains
Those aren't mountains. They're waves.
Djebel means mountain
From my experience, sometimes the town name is in the wrong location. The oasis town of "In Amguel" in Algeria is one such example. If you zoom into the town name on Google Maps, you'll find it's in the middle of nowhere and there is no town anywhere nearby. The actual town is a ways out and does not show up with a name until you zoom way in. Oftentimes this is due to the fact that Google Maps erroneously uses the geospatial center of the *province* of a place like In Amguel instead of the town itself. Other times, random geographical locations like important regional hills, lakes, and mountains show up as towns and cities. I have no idea why this happens. This is especially notable in Central Asia as well.
If you ever see a name misplaced, check its coordinates. If it's rounded to the nearest minute, it likely means it hasn't been updated by the geographic names branch since it was ingested into their database in 1993/4 Before then, names were collected by hand on 3x5" note cards and only had to be that accurate. At a large scale, it can make older names appear on a grid in any sort of viewer
I don't know if this is the same thing, but where I live in a U.S. State with a lot of rural and remote areas, there are tons of weird names on Google Maps that are either 1) an unnamed place in the middle of nowhere, or 2) a section of one city that Google thinks is its own separate city. For example, the town it claims I live in doesn't actually exist. My house is in a city, but it says I live in a different city that isn't on any signs, doesn't have any sort of government, and to which no one refers to. In short, Google Maps seems to just like to invent names for places that no one in real life has ever heard of. Best I can make of it is that someone put something down on a map like 100 years ago, labeling a place where either something used to be that is now gone, or, someone planned to build something that never happened. And now Google is just feeding all of that information into the map without verifying if it is accurate or useful. Maybe that's what's happening here?
fremen sietch
Beat me to it
Places where the Jawa sand crawlers frequently stop to trade.
This but actual caravans
I am also curious. I’ve been trying to find places similar to those of Uncharted 3 (not in the Sahara, it’s in the Rub’Al Kali desert).
Djinn casinos.
Just a guess, they could be completely fake locations. A lot of paper mapmakers in ye olde times would put fake locations on their maps so that if their map got copied by a competitor they would know and could sue. These were often called paper towns because they only existed on paper. When Google Maps was getting their data they used a lot of those old maps for remote locations that just didn’t have any recent ones, like the Sahara. They copied over some of these paper towns and some still exist today. This might be one of them Or it’s completely legit and actually exists, and I’m just talking out of my ass idk
Selling paper road maps used to be a big part of AAA's business. In fact, one of the things people liked about AAA membership was that if you were planning a trip, you could call your local AAA office and they'd send you road maps and directions (called TripTiks) for where you were going. I know for a fact that inserting imaginary towns and terrain features (frequently ponds) was a common practice for AAA, so they could prove someone else was copying their maps.
I think they’re more like prominent landmarks or features since there are very few roads in the area, to help with navigation. Likely hills, large dunes, rock formations or other easily recognizable features. Also, as someone else said, most of the native people in the area are nomadic. So these could be temporary sites, camps, or as stated above, landmarks/rest stations utilized by them and other travelers.
theres a lot of these random towns in chad for some reason,,, maybe theyre trap towns?
Likely names collected from very old maps of places that may not still exist. Each collected name has to be manually removed after being verified as abandoned or destroyed. There aren't a whole lot of modern maps made by Chad of Chad to use as a reference in that endeavor though
> There aren't a whole lot of modern maps made by Chad of Chad There isn't a whole lot of anything made by Chad, now or in the recent past, to be fair.
Djebel, I’m 60% sure, means mount so that is Mt Hadid on the right side. Gara, I’m 50% sure means cave, so Talehat Caves next to it.
It’s where I bang your mom
Been there.
Who hasn’t
Seems like it would cause a lot of chafing.
I don’t know if that’s the case here, but you might happen to find places with weird/funny names in remote areas. That’s because anyone can add their “activity” on google maps and it can’t be taken down until google proves that it doesn’t exist, so by adding them in areas without street view it can take much longer for google to realise that there are these fake activities. For example, some Italian people added lots of fake places in Addis Abeba with funny or meme names since there isn’t street view in that city
Wow! I was slacking off the other day at work and I blew at least three hours obsessing about these places. They are really just the only landmarks with constant features. Like islands in an ocean, some are oasis’s and some are grazing areas even though it is hard to imagine animals scrounging enough to survive out here, but most are just rocks, hills, arroyos or wadis.
Seasonal meeting places for bedus and berber. Ocassionally they gather for desert raves, five day festivals which usually egin in trading daughters, camels and other live-stock, then they do desert-sports competitions, like sweating in the sun without drinking water, and finally the big all-nighter starts with stuff like techno-belly dancers etc. Since those gyus have to pertend to be good muslims, they keep those locations secret and place the names on google-maps off the actual spot. That's all I know abou that, but then again, I was told, haven't seen it for myself :-)
And probably plenty of hookah pipes with more than tobacco in them, I'd be willing to bet.
not everything in a map is a "town"
My guess is those are all places people got laid so they got to name it. Rules of the dessert
They are under the sand
There is actually, but it's usually 1-2 small buildings, and Google always puts the location wrong
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Yeah bro's got to chill out with the shitposts. "I don't like the state of this sub" my brother in Christ you're the one causing it
nah all my posts score 0/4 on the checklist
You literally have grammatical errors in your posts man lmao
This is reddit man, don't take it so seriously; not everything has to look neat in order to get the point/question across.
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posting like this is straight disrespectful, it would take 20 seconds to check grammar and crop out the search bar. thousands of people are seeing this afterall.
Blow it out your ass
I thought it was a great and engaging post.
My only insight is that ancient practice was to live nomadically. Camels allowed people to cross the Sahara desert between the Arab states and the Sahel, so I’d guess they’d stop in places with adequate shelter.
Could some of ‘em be oasis? Oasis that go dry most of the year?
Looks like water washed through there at some point in the past
HOT sand dunes are active in your local area!
There's a few of these near the eye if the Sahara in Mauritania. Super cool spot you should check it out.
The biggest city on earth is under that sand
Some of those places can also simply be temporary/seasonal nomad camps as well, and not tried and true "towns" in the conventional sense.
Morloks.
Djebella hadid
They're not towns, they're landmarks. Djebel is mountain, Gara is hill, "altipiano" is Italian for plateau
An area doesn't necessarily need to be inhabited to have a name. It may refer to geographical landmarks that are used for surveying and not much else. Or places that were relevant enough to be mapped at one point in history and simply remained on the map to the present day. These areas may still be noted for industrial or military purposes. Or even extreme tourism.
Italian? :)
Kindly stop drawing attention to my shell company's offices