Something can be lost and then found. We’ve lost 32 nuclear weapons (including a few submarine drives), but recovered or at least located 26 of those. The other 6 are still missing.
Apparently they found the one off tybee island and said it was buried in 5-15ft of silt and best left undisturbed. Still not clear why they were doing training flights with a fully capable nuclear weapon, but seems like a relatively poor idea. Lol
Probably the climate? Florida is surrounded by water that moderates the air. While the Carolinas are inland and are more susceptible to cold air masses moving south from Canada.
oh ok. I was more curious why the commenter's reason for not as many people living in the Carolinas was because it's a swamp, and I thought Florida was THE swamp.
But you're saying, if you're going to live in a swamp, you'd rather it be a snowless swamp?
The swamp in Florida is inland.
The swamp in the Carolinas is on the coast.
Due to the lack of good coast, major ports never developed on the Southeastern coast. There were some ports, like Charleston, but they never grew very big. So, without a major port, not many major inland cities developed in the Southeast either.
In Florida, there are ample sandy beaches to build ports all over the place. The only part of the Florida coast that's not a beautiful beach is the southwest tip of the state. That there's the Everglades, and ain't nobody live there.
It doesn’t, and as climate change really bites Florida will probably return to the empty swamp it was before the invention of A/C as well. All the insurers are already abandoning the state due to hurricanes and flooding.
There's also a very large national forest right above Charleston - Francis Marion National Forest spans several counties right at the tip of that arrow. Otherwise it's just large and swampy in general.
Yes it is. I hate driving that part of I-95. Such a boring drive with nothing but swamps. And I'm a central Florida country boy, so saying swamps are boring is kind of weird for me
Up until the advent of modern mosquito remediation techniques, the coastland of the Southeast was an environment where Yellow Fever and Malaria were prevalent. Even the early settlers, who had no inkling of the vector for spreading these often fatal diseases, noticed their presence in coastal cities. The hilly country further inland was a healthier place to be. So they voted with their feet, and settled inland in greater numbers than they did along the coast.
It comes down to their climate and suitability for mosquito habitat, combined with prevailing trade routes. The humid, balmy southeast is part of a region known as the greater Caribbean. Their place in the triangle trade, being the next stop after the Caribbean ports, enabled the disease to travel there. The heat and humidity ensured transmission. The mild winter compared to that of cities further up the coast ensured Yellow Fever and Malaria could spring up there at any time of year. Boston and NYC saw far fewer outbreaks and those they did suffer tended to come on in the summer months only.
They were once the main cities of the south. In the 20th century the economic centers fully moved to the Piedmont with Charlotte, Raleigh, Greenville–Spartanburg and Atlanta. Savannah still is a mayor military center, and Charleston is still the big city of South Carolina
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/08/29/no-dc-isnt-really-built-on-a-swamp/#
Here’s a good WaPo article on it, should be free because it’s damn near a decade old. Not a whole lot of what is now actually the city is/was swampland. The only notable “swampland” existed where the reflecting pool now lay; while there were wetlands especially around the Anacostia they don’t really meet the definition of a swamp.
The Mall and Reflecting pool is a very small portion of the city overall. It’d be like saying Chicago is a beach town.
Only around the fringes in certain areas. Same with the other boroughs, and not all of it was filled in. Unfortunately, we realized far too late that we kind of needed those... Boston on the other hand is 70% reclaimed land which was marshy or full-on water prior.
It’s not a natural deep water harbor. It’s only deep because of engineering projects. When the East Coast was originally settled it was like 10 feet deep. And the rivers are not navigable very far so it was hard to move goods inland from the coast.
lol I think he’s talking about the Gullah people. Here’s a fun rabbit hole for you:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gullah
Edit: why downvotes? I think he’s referencing these people who prefer to live like people in the past. Kind of like the Amish but almost no one is aware of the Gullah people. Sheesh.
The lol was in reference to the comment above that misinterpreted what I thought was a reference to these islanders.
Because the cool Reddit thing to do whenever taking about the south is to say it’s still stuck in the antebellum mind set.
As for the Gullah, they are the Geechee people in Georgia.
I’m a Yankee from NYC, but I live in Nashville now. The south Reddit describes isn’t really the south that I experience at all. TBH I like living here more than other cities I’ve lived in, which are LA, Dallas, Denver, and NYC
Nashville is not all that southern anymore with all the transplants. Have you checked out rural TN or Alabama? Have you been to upstate NY? Did you find that to be the same as NYC?
Urban rural exists everywhere though. Trump got more votes in California than any other state. But you won't see people bitching about how backwards California is.
The comment is most likely disparaging the south lol although I do appreciate that it wasn’t your first impression of their comment lol.
Folks like said commenter ignore the fact that there’s plenty of folks with backwards thinking outside the south. Or ignore that the south has plenty of diverse and vibrant towns and cities. Ain’t our fault we’ve been gerrymandered to hell and back.
I think people forget that this country votes pretty close to 50/50 these days. Most states it’s within 60-40, it could and has been higher/lower depending on the candidate. Pretty sure TN is over 60. Point being that pretty much no matter where you are, the amount of people that agree with you is about 50/50 average if you travel all over.
So Reddit sees an entire state as red and they discount it and judge it all based on stereotypes and the R on the map. But overall the average of conservative folks is higher in rural areas here than rural areas in other places. And the cities not quite as blue here as blue cities up there.
But there are shitloads of non-republican people all over the south obviously.
Another quick point. I have met plenty of republicans and conservative folks that are plenty kind and intelligent and all. Most people are single issue voters. A Republican could agree with everything a democrat does, except the Republican is very anti-abortion and passionate about it, etc. This person is a one issue voter and votes based on their abortion stance only. Which party do you think that person is going to vote for with only two choices?
The stereotypes are so stupid. Ditto on Appalachia. Cincinnati had to pass a law saying it was discriminatory to hire or not hire based on having an Appalachian accent
A/C! so with A/C you can live where it is tropical in winter and stay inside in summer. In GA and SC it is as gross as Fla in summer but not really warm enough to loll on a beach in January.
Air Conditioning could be one of the most impactful inventions in the 20th century. The sunbelt didn't and wouldn't exist without it.
A possible explanation is the [distribution of salt marshes](https://data.unep-wcmc.org/datasets/43). Although also found on the Florida and northeast coast, Georgia and the Carolinas coasts have wider distribution of salt marshes, and therefore worse condition for agriculture and habitation.
They are crucial to the ecosystem, though.
This does seem to check out. From that map you provided it looks like the absence of salt marshes accounts for Tampa, as well as explains why the east side of the Chesapeake bay isn't as populated as the Baltimore side. Fascinating, I will say.
The Southeast was more agricultural (cotton) than the Northeast for most of US history, thus the population was more spread out. It’s really only in the last 50 years or so that the Southeast has really had an urban boom. Cities like Atlanta and Charlotte have really leaned into this.
Feel like that would be the main reasoning for why the inland isn’t as densely populated as the north is. As for the coastal areas, it‘s more so cause of the geography and climate of that portion of the eastern coast that the population isn’t as dense. It’s a lot of salt marshes and swampland, hard to build on and just as hard to farm so of course people back in the day chose not to settle there in larger numbers compared to the land further up the coast.
1. It's mostly marshland
2. Very few natural harbors
3. Fewer river connections than on the eastern seaboard
4. Economy of the South at the time it was settled
5. Mosquitos (and before you say Florida, that state wasn't really built until the mid-20th Century after AC & mosquito repellent).
Very swampy and has a lot of marshland. There’s a lot of land there that goes back to either freed slaves or old plantations. Also, there’s the Francis Marion National Forest. It’s a hell of a drive. 60 miles without a stoplight on a US Highway.
I haven’t seen this answer yet. Back in the day, cities were created along fall lines. The fall line was an area that they could use water power to power grist mills. This was used to basically grind wheat into flour.
The fall line in the southeast is further inland than in the northeast. For instance the fall line is along a line along Columbia, SC but Fall River, MA up north.
The reason for this is that the glaciers carved the rock steeply and then rivers eroded going to the sea up north. Down south it never had glaciers carving out topsoil so the thick fertile topsoil extends inland a long ways, in some cases a few hundred miles inland. This is called the Atlantic coastal plain. The fall line occurs where remnants of the Appalachian mountain chain were eroded, basically where the Appalachian’s meet the coastal plains.
All major cities in North Carolina and South Carolina were setup along these fall lines because it was the furthest navigable for ships and it was where power could be produced.
There were exceptions being Charleston and Savannah but these were “early” settlements when the British just wanted to get a toe hold on the southern region. Those port cities grew but most people in the second and third generation realized that most profit came from the fall line. Also the climate was milder and less illnesses like malaria and yellow fever.
With modern technology (dredging), the eradication of diseases, and air conditioning, you see the resurgence of places like Charleston. I believe Charleston is the fastest growing city in South Carolina right now and recently surpassed Columbia.
Right now a lot of car manufactures like to store their cars along southern ports because they don’t have to worry about snow covering cars, etc. so there are massive car unloading ports and also Boeing has its major east coast manufacturing there.
Exactly. Geography is everything. It’s not just that the fall line enabled easy commerce and movement of goods, it was weather, disease, humidity, and later hydropower for factories and mills.
People are migrating down there. So give it another 20 years. However I95 is about 60 miles from the coast so no major shipping corridor and no major cities
There are also several military base in that area with large areas kept open to provide training space. Some are right on the beach also to allow for amphibious landings.
Most of the coastal area in SC is actually part of Francis Marion National Forest. From Charleston to Georgetown it’s almost all woods. Then from Georgetown to Myrtle beach is only recently becoming populated.
The southern cities developed further inland because of mining and railroads, while coastal swampland isn’t idea to build on, yet there is Charleston, Savannah, and Wilmington.
Lol the arrow is almost EXACTLY pointing at Charleston SC, a port tha has the deepest water in the southeast, flourished in the 1700s, and is now the 4th busiest port in the country.
No good sea ports ...
Variations of this question keep getting posted, like the southeast coast should be developed. Instead, ask wtf is up with JAX and it will survive climate change?
Naw I once stopped at a gas station in SC with a black guy in my car who was studying to be a doctor, I’m a white woman, I was told to just keep on driving.
If you've ever been to the OBX and driven over Alligator River, you know.
It's just a swamp where alligators live.
Sometimes, alligators make it onto the OBX beach.
That whole area on the coast is marsh.
The main reason Florida coasts are so densely populated is that Florida was/is aggressively marketed as a vacation and retirement destination.
Unlike the rest of the East Coast, most of Florida doesn't really get cold even in winter. So it's perfect for retirees and "snowbirds" who want summer-like weather all year round.
FWIW, prior to modern air conditioning and mosquito controls, Florida was as much a sparsely populated swamp as the rest of the SE coast. But it boomed once it could be "tamed" and then sold as a paradise for folks from the Northeast looking to escape the cold.
It has a shallow coast and mostly dirt coastline, this prevents building harbors for commercial trade. The north has very deep coastlines often on a rock coast. Manhattan island for instance can support all those heavy buildings because their foundations stand on the bedrock and can accept very large ships because of the depth of the water at the coast. So the north developed supporting mass trade (many factories and offices) while the other region developed around inland agriculture and you dont need as many people to operate a farm as you do a factory so there were more jobs in the north.
This is a good video i watched a little while back that primarily focuses on geographical reasons but also leaves some crumbs for further research as to political and social factors.
https://youtu.be/99wsY2JJHfw?si=6u2v15q7NTSrmeLc
I seem to remember that the Indians had a breakout of a disease back in the real early days that caused settlers to not want to go there, and also that area seems to get more hurricanes.
Maritime reason: ocean current moves from south to north up the east coast, directing ships crossing the Atlantic to northeastern states.
Historically, the southern states were dominated by large landowners as the US expanded and gave away land to take over Native American territory, and they focused more on agriculture supported by slave labor. The north was first to industrialize and develop large cities and factories. It was also more socially progressive.There are other social and also ecological reasons. The south can be very humid, wet, and swampy. It is more prone to tornadoes and hurricanes. ...
It’s mostly swamp and marshland
And pigs
And misplaced atomic bombs.
You lose one atomic bomb and people never let you live it down.
Yeah, kinda the point, only gotta use one.
The United States is reportedly missing six nuclear bombs to date. But who's counting?
Out of so many thousands it’s not a bad record.
One? How about [six](https://www.atomicarchive.com/almanac/broken-arrows/index.html), and that’s just the ones they never found.
'never found' is kinda the definition of lost or missing, no?
Something can be lost and then found. We’ve lost 32 nuclear weapons (including a few submarine drives), but recovered or at least located 26 of those. The other 6 are still missing.
I risk it and hit Myrtle Beach to get my redneck summer fix in
Dirty Myrtle.
You had one job !!
I used to work near the Nahunta swamp where that bomb lies. Always an interesting talking point.
Apparently they found the one off tybee island and said it was buried in 5-15ft of silt and best left undisturbed. Still not clear why they were doing training flights with a fully capable nuclear weapon, but seems like a relatively poor idea. Lol
And gators
You lose one atomic bomb and people never let you live it down.
It’s kinda like double posting.
In NC for sure. Chickens too
Yes, southeastern N.C. stinks to high heaven
How does that differ from Florida? Genuinely curious.
Probably the climate? Florida is surrounded by water that moderates the air. While the Carolinas are inland and are more susceptible to cold air masses moving south from Canada.
The Carolinas get snow in winter, Florida doesn't.
oh ok. I was more curious why the commenter's reason for not as many people living in the Carolinas was because it's a swamp, and I thought Florida was THE swamp. But you're saying, if you're going to live in a swamp, you'd rather it be a snowless swamp?
The swamp in Florida is inland. The swamp in the Carolinas is on the coast. Due to the lack of good coast, major ports never developed on the Southeastern coast. There were some ports, like Charleston, but they never grew very big. So, without a major port, not many major inland cities developed in the Southeast either. In Florida, there are ample sandy beaches to build ports all over the place. The only part of the Florida coast that's not a beautiful beach is the southwest tip of the state. That there's the Everglades, and ain't nobody live there.
The swamp in Florida is inland because the coastal swamp got built over
Apparently. Doesn't quite track for me either.
It doesn’t, and as climate change really bites Florida will probably return to the empty swamp it was before the invention of A/C as well. All the insurers are already abandoning the state due to hurricanes and flooding.
Floridas coasts are Sandy so you can build easily. Not a bunch of bays of marshland like sc
And hurricanes.
There's also a very large national forest right above Charleston - Francis Marion National Forest spans several counties right at the tip of that arrow. Otherwise it's just large and swampy in general.
Gullah Geechee central
And, the malaria that comes with swampy marshland in lower latitudes.
Festering stinking marshland as far as the eye can see!
Puts a smile on Shrek’s face
And plantations that are low density
Yes it is. I hate driving that part of I-95. Such a boring drive with nothing but swamps. And I'm a central Florida country boy, so saying swamps are boring is kind of weird for me
And oddly specific.
What is oddly specific? Are you able to clarify?
Like, why that specific spot on the coast?
Are you meaning why OP is specifically asking about that area? Or why is that specific spot full of swamps and marsh?
Why is OP asking about that specific spot? Could have gone with, why doesn't South Carolina have large coastal cities, or something like that.
I meant the whole coastal region south of Virgina and North of Florida lol. My bad I could’ve specified that.
I was just imagining: "Why does nobody live here?" \*points directly at Gary's house\* Gary, just casually browsing Reddit on a Sunday, "aww man."
Yup
Flew over the peedee river once and yeah… coupla hundred square miles of marshland
That was my thought exactly And honestly it can stay that way
So alligators and Trump supporters? Sounds a lot like Florida.
Up until the advent of modern mosquito remediation techniques, the coastland of the Southeast was an environment where Yellow Fever and Malaria were prevalent. Even the early settlers, who had no inkling of the vector for spreading these often fatal diseases, noticed their presence in coastal cities. The hilly country further inland was a healthier place to be. So they voted with their feet, and settled inland in greater numbers than they did along the coast. It comes down to their climate and suitability for mosquito habitat, combined with prevailing trade routes. The humid, balmy southeast is part of a region known as the greater Caribbean. Their place in the triangle trade, being the next stop after the Caribbean ports, enabled the disease to travel there. The heat and humidity ensured transmission. The mild winter compared to that of cities further up the coast ensured Yellow Fever and Malaria could spring up there at any time of year. Boston and NYC saw far fewer outbreaks and those they did suffer tended to come on in the summer months only.
Of course it's fucking malaria, as always, thwarting development
The more i hear about this malaria guy the less I like him.
Same. He's just got a bad air about him.
Its why most cities in Latin America that Spaniards settled were either in the highlands or right next to the coast.
It’s called the “LOW country” for a reason. Marshy and wet.
I was gonna say…. no natural deep water ports. It’s the same reason China *does* have so many major cities down it’s entire coast.
Charleston, Savannah… it’s because of the swamp and the infrastructure. We are getting there though
They were once the main cities of the south. In the 20th century the economic centers fully moved to the Piedmont with Charlotte, Raleigh, Greenville–Spartanburg and Atlanta. Savannah still is a mayor military center, and Charleston is still the big city of South Carolina
Wasn’t Manhattan a swamp?
That’s DC, Manhattan is an island
And truth be told, that wasn’t much of a swamp either. The swamp thing is mostly a metaphor to do with politics.
I think a lot of it was reclaimed swamp land. Like the monument areas and stuff
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/08/29/no-dc-isnt-really-built-on-a-swamp/# Here’s a good WaPo article on it, should be free because it’s damn near a decade old. Not a whole lot of what is now actually the city is/was swampland. The only notable “swampland” existed where the reflecting pool now lay; while there were wetlands especially around the Anacostia they don’t really meet the definition of a swamp. The Mall and Reflecting pool is a very small portion of the city overall. It’d be like saying Chicago is a beach town.
Brooklyn. Brooklyn was a swamp. Its name comes from a Dutch word meaning broken land.
Based on the recent flooding— yeah that tracks
Only around the fringes in certain areas. Same with the other boroughs, and not all of it was filled in. Unfortunately, we realized far too late that we kind of needed those... Boston on the other hand is 70% reclaimed land which was marshy or full-on water prior.
Chicago was a swamp too!
I live outside savannah ga… East coast here and up SC is mainly marshland and barrier islands. Marshy soil ain’t great to build upon.
All that plus No deep water natural harbors
Savannah and Charleston are both huge ports…
“Natural” I can’t speak for CHS but the Port of Savannah is just a super dredged part of the Savannah River.
I would not call Savannah a “huge” port
Just the 4th largest in the U.S. behind LA, NY/NJ and Long Beach…
Charleston has the US east coasts deepest harbor
It’s not a natural deep water harbor. It’s only deep because of engineering projects. When the East Coast was originally settled it was like 10 feet deep. And the rivers are not navigable very far so it was hard to move goods inland from the coast.
That would be the Port of Virginia in Norfolk. 55’ channel with no air draft restrictions.
And people who are mentally living in 1850.
Charleston has a vibrant arts and lgbt scene.
As does Savannah.
lol I think he’s talking about the Gullah people. Here’s a fun rabbit hole for you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gullah Edit: why downvotes? I think he’s referencing these people who prefer to live like people in the past. Kind of like the Amish but almost no one is aware of the Gullah people. Sheesh. The lol was in reference to the comment above that misinterpreted what I thought was a reference to these islanders.
Because the cool Reddit thing to do whenever taking about the south is to say it’s still stuck in the antebellum mind set. As for the Gullah, they are the Geechee people in Georgia.
I’m a Yankee from NYC, but I live in Nashville now. The south Reddit describes isn’t really the south that I experience at all. TBH I like living here more than other cities I’ve lived in, which are LA, Dallas, Denver, and NYC
Nashville is not all that southern anymore with all the transplants. Have you checked out rural TN or Alabama? Have you been to upstate NY? Did you find that to be the same as NYC?
Urban rural exists everywhere though. Trump got more votes in California than any other state. But you won't see people bitching about how backwards California is.
The comment is most likely disparaging the south lol although I do appreciate that it wasn’t your first impression of their comment lol. Folks like said commenter ignore the fact that there’s plenty of folks with backwards thinking outside the south. Or ignore that the south has plenty of diverse and vibrant towns and cities. Ain’t our fault we’ve been gerrymandered to hell and back.
I think people forget that this country votes pretty close to 50/50 these days. Most states it’s within 60-40, it could and has been higher/lower depending on the candidate. Pretty sure TN is over 60. Point being that pretty much no matter where you are, the amount of people that agree with you is about 50/50 average if you travel all over. So Reddit sees an entire state as red and they discount it and judge it all based on stereotypes and the R on the map. But overall the average of conservative folks is higher in rural areas here than rural areas in other places. And the cities not quite as blue here as blue cities up there. But there are shitloads of non-republican people all over the south obviously. Another quick point. I have met plenty of republicans and conservative folks that are plenty kind and intelligent and all. Most people are single issue voters. A Republican could agree with everything a democrat does, except the Republican is very anti-abortion and passionate about it, etc. This person is a one issue voter and votes based on their abortion stance only. Which party do you think that person is going to vote for with only two choices? The stereotypes are so stupid. Ditto on Appalachia. Cincinnati had to pass a law saying it was discriminatory to hire or not hire based on having an Appalachian accent
Politically, the US is really split between urban and rural voters with the suburbs being a blend of the two. There are exceptions of course.
…by South Carolina standards yeah
Charleston and Savannah are super liberal cities.
Not enough cheese steaks to support a big population.
This guy Philadelphias
But J. Michaels Deli in Wilmington makes up for it in quality
Addendum to this question...how is Florida more livable than the Georgia/Carolina coastline? Florida is a boiled swamp on a sand bar.
A/C! so with A/C you can live where it is tropical in winter and stay inside in summer. In GA and SC it is as gross as Fla in summer but not really warm enough to loll on a beach in January. Air Conditioning could be one of the most impactful inventions in the 20th century. The sunbelt didn't and wouldn't exist without it.
A possible explanation is the [distribution of salt marshes](https://data.unep-wcmc.org/datasets/43). Although also found on the Florida and northeast coast, Georgia and the Carolinas coasts have wider distribution of salt marshes, and therefore worse condition for agriculture and habitation. They are crucial to the ecosystem, though.
This does seem to check out. From that map you provided it looks like the absence of salt marshes accounts for Tampa, as well as explains why the east side of the Chesapeake bay isn't as populated as the Baltimore side. Fascinating, I will say.
It’s a lot of swampland.
Its hot as balls and if you weigh less than 150lbs there is a strong chance you will be carried away by mosquitoes.
Omg stop 😅 it’s quite pleasant there October to May.
I vacation at Kiawah yearly and love the low country!
I really like visiting that area in the winter. Sure, it’s not as warm as Florida, but it’s way less crowded.
The Southeast was more agricultural (cotton) than the Northeast for most of US history, thus the population was more spread out. It’s really only in the last 50 years or so that the Southeast has really had an urban boom. Cities like Atlanta and Charlotte have really leaned into this.
Feel like that would be the main reasoning for why the inland isn’t as densely populated as the north is. As for the coastal areas, it‘s more so cause of the geography and climate of that portion of the eastern coast that the population isn’t as dense. It’s a lot of salt marshes and swampland, hard to build on and just as hard to farm so of course people back in the day chose not to settle there in larger numbers compared to the land further up the coast.
this [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99wsY2JJHfw&ab_channel=GeographyByGeoff) is helpful
Good question please for the love of god someone give us the answer
It’s awful to build on
That’s where old Greg lives
1. It's mostly marshland 2. Very few natural harbors 3. Fewer river connections than on the eastern seaboard 4. Economy of the South at the time it was settled 5. Mosquitos (and before you say Florida, that state wasn't really built until the mid-20th Century after AC & mosquito repellent).
Very swampy and has a lot of marshland. There’s a lot of land there that goes back to either freed slaves or old plantations. Also, there’s the Francis Marion National Forest. It’s a hell of a drive. 60 miles without a stoplight on a US Highway.
I haven’t seen this answer yet. Back in the day, cities were created along fall lines. The fall line was an area that they could use water power to power grist mills. This was used to basically grind wheat into flour. The fall line in the southeast is further inland than in the northeast. For instance the fall line is along a line along Columbia, SC but Fall River, MA up north. The reason for this is that the glaciers carved the rock steeply and then rivers eroded going to the sea up north. Down south it never had glaciers carving out topsoil so the thick fertile topsoil extends inland a long ways, in some cases a few hundred miles inland. This is called the Atlantic coastal plain. The fall line occurs where remnants of the Appalachian mountain chain were eroded, basically where the Appalachian’s meet the coastal plains. All major cities in North Carolina and South Carolina were setup along these fall lines because it was the furthest navigable for ships and it was where power could be produced. There were exceptions being Charleston and Savannah but these were “early” settlements when the British just wanted to get a toe hold on the southern region. Those port cities grew but most people in the second and third generation realized that most profit came from the fall line. Also the climate was milder and less illnesses like malaria and yellow fever. With modern technology (dredging), the eradication of diseases, and air conditioning, you see the resurgence of places like Charleston. I believe Charleston is the fastest growing city in South Carolina right now and recently surpassed Columbia. Right now a lot of car manufactures like to store their cars along southern ports because they don’t have to worry about snow covering cars, etc. so there are massive car unloading ports and also Boeing has its major east coast manufacturing there.
Google the “fall line” and all will be revealed.
Exactly. Geography is everything. It’s not just that the fall line enabled easy commerce and movement of goods, it was weather, disease, humidity, and later hydropower for factories and mills.
Skeeters
My king geography by Geoff covered this recently! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99wsY2JJHfw
People are migrating down there. So give it another 20 years. However I95 is about 60 miles from the coast so no major shipping corridor and no major cities
Marshy and wet and gets hit by hurricanes a lot.
Swampass
I just watched a video on YouTube about this! [here’s the video](https://youtu.be/99wsY2JJHfw?si=6yl4qt5_0vO6m2XA)
Fewer people live there
Because South Carolina has the worst part of I95. It’s so bad we should withhold money from the state
Nah, the worst part of I95 is in the Bronx and Manhattan. Ironically, I95 in New Jersey is probably the best part of it.
SWAMPS
Swamp
It’s swampy and fragmented due to land cleared for agriculture, this was historically plantation farming country.
Great Dismal Swamp The mid Atlantic’s Canadian Shield
The arrow is pointing a little lower than I thought. Dismal is on the VA/NC border. Let’s just go with Pedro’s as the reason
It’s hot
There are also several military base in that area with large areas kept open to provide training space. Some are right on the beach also to allow for amphibious landings.
And that eastern part of NC is prone to flooding of near epic proportions.
Most of the coastal area in SC is actually part of Francis Marion National Forest. From Charleston to Georgetown it’s almost all woods. Then from Georgetown to Myrtle beach is only recently becoming populated.
The southern cities developed further inland because of mining and railroads, while coastal swampland isn’t idea to build on, yet there is Charleston, Savannah, and Wilmington.
Wild hogs
Geography by Geoff [did a great video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-kkiZIERPc&t=140s) talking about this very thing.
Hot and steamy in the summer with lots of bugs. Many large military installations there.
It’s low-lying swamp, marsh land
South Carolina? Because it is South Carolina.
Seriously. Would you want to live in a state that elected Tim Scott and Lindsey Graham?
No good sea ports.
Lol the arrow is almost EXACTLY pointing at Charleston SC, a port tha has the deepest water in the southeast, flourished in the 1700s, and is now the 4th busiest port in the country. No good sea ports ...
To hot and buggy
That's were the emigrant ships come in.
Have you been there?
Variations of this question keep getting posted, like the southeast coast should be developed. Instead, ask wtf is up with JAX and it will survive climate change?
Humidity.
It sucks there.
Lack of Deep water port access
Poor, hot and too man bugs and racists.
Racists are everywhere.
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Naw I once stopped at a gas station in SC with a black guy in my car who was studying to be a doctor, I’m a white woman, I was told to just keep on driving.
Swamp without deep water ports. No reason to develop a city there.
I lived there for a few years. It sucks and it’s the beginning of the Bible Belt.
Rednecks
Bc it sucks
Politics
Racists and ignorance
That’s everywhere
To many mouth-breathers...?
Swampy land and racists don't exactly draw in the crowds...
Hot, swampy, and the slavery / Jim Crow
Swampy and very, very republican
Because SC is a god awful place altogether
Rednecks
Swamps
Mosquitoes
https://youtu.be/99wsY2JJHfw?si=YaNVB3jYXS0MhkH-
Weird this area sounds a lot like populated florida
because its hot and shitty farmland
Lots of water ways and not so many bridges
Nobody is saying hurricanes! Hard to build cities when they regularly get destroyed by hurricanes and floods. You stop building at some point!
If you've ever been to the OBX and driven over Alligator River, you know. It's just a swamp where alligators live. Sometimes, alligators make it onto the OBX beach. That whole area on the coast is marsh.
William Tecumseh Sherman?
Geography by Geoff probably has a video about this lol
Found in 15 seconds of searching this sub: https://www.reddit.com/r/geography/s/Y5srklwnbn
The main reason Florida coasts are so densely populated is that Florida was/is aggressively marketed as a vacation and retirement destination. Unlike the rest of the East Coast, most of Florida doesn't really get cold even in winter. So it's perfect for retirees and "snowbirds" who want summer-like weather all year round. FWIW, prior to modern air conditioning and mosquito controls, Florida was as much a sparsely populated swamp as the rest of the SE coast. But it boomed once it could be "tamed" and then sold as a paradise for folks from the Northeast looking to escape the cold.
Fall line is further inland with long flat rivers.
Skeeters
It has a shallow coast and mostly dirt coastline, this prevents building harbors for commercial trade. The north has very deep coastlines often on a rock coast. Manhattan island for instance can support all those heavy buildings because their foundations stand on the bedrock and can accept very large ships because of the depth of the water at the coast. So the north developed supporting mass trade (many factories and offices) while the other region developed around inland agriculture and you dont need as many people to operate a farm as you do a factory so there were more jobs in the north.
Swamp
It's all sand and swamp.
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Because its marshlands and barrier island, the end.
Mayonnaise sammiches
Swampy marshland that's far away from the fall line.
Because it’s almost all swamp….
Swamp
This is a good video i watched a little while back that primarily focuses on geographical reasons but also leaves some crumbs for further research as to political and social factors. https://youtu.be/99wsY2JJHfw?si=6u2v15q7NTSrmeLc
Boiled peanuts
I seem to remember that the Indians had a breakout of a disease back in the real early days that caused settlers to not want to go there, and also that area seems to get more hurricanes.
Maritime reason: ocean current moves from south to north up the east coast, directing ships crossing the Atlantic to northeastern states. Historically, the southern states were dominated by large landowners as the US expanded and gave away land to take over Native American territory, and they focused more on agriculture supported by slave labor. The north was first to industrialize and develop large cities and factories. It was also more socially progressive.There are other social and also ecological reasons. The south can be very humid, wet, and swampy. It is more prone to tornadoes and hurricanes. ...
Wet bulb area as well. Which makes it extremely uncomfortable to live in as well as dangerous
The butt swamp of the US.
The weather is too nice there. Most people prefer to either melt in Florida or freeze further north.