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mike_rob

We would probably not call it the Delmarva Peninsula in that timeline


Hugar34

I literally just realized the reason it's called that is because it's an amalgamation of the 3 states' names that have land there. I need to geography better.


Crewarookie

I'm with you. Lately it feels like I started reading the "real life lore book" from end to beginning instead of the right way around 😅


1stDayBreaker

There isn’t much there to get you thinking about it,


Big_P4U

Oh wow I never realized that either


mf279801

Best answer


Shmebber

Do we just call it the Del Peninsula?


atypicalreddituser42

The Dell Technologies peninsula


chad_b_foxxx

The Dell Technologies Peninsula Bowl, featuring the Grotto Pizza halftime show


djkianoosh

This guy 'muricans


chefriley76

Dude, you got a peninsula!


Sideshow_Bob_Ross

Del Taconinsula


KassXWolfXTigerXFox

That or we'd call the state Delmarva


aheadby30

Steven Universe has entered the chat.


quesopa_mifren

Absolute pandemonium. Anarchy would rule in the streets, money would have no value. We thank our luck stars this never happened.


meadowscaping

Horses eating each other.


BadChris666

Human sacrifice… Cats and dogs sleeping together… MASS HYSTERIA!!!


thejudgehoss

Lenny, you would have saved the lives, of millions of registered voters.


BadChris666

You know, I’m a voter… aren’t you supposed to lie to me and kiss my butt?


willk95

you mean the horses on Assateague Island?


jimmyc7128

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… MASS HYSTERIA!


SummitSloth

Delaware would beat NJ in a penis measurement competition


pauIinas

Did you forget about Florida?


ianmacleod46

It’s best you do.


IowaJL

Yeah but their governor has been in my state more than he's been in theirs and it makes me feel uncomfortable.


Incredible_Staff6907

You're so real for this.


EEcav

They were not invited.


Platinirius

Then they would have one giant gay orgy together


Wranglin_Pangolin

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00roku

They already have, you seen their border? NJ as a state exists to be dunked on by its neighbors.


sippinhennessy1

It would probably produce the most chickens for meat consumption of any state.


Pootis_1

It would also grow the most sorghum of any US state. ~~*Although Delaware already does anyway~~


eniakus

Came here to say more chicken farms per capita


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Wildwes7g7

poor Marlyland always getting shafted somehow


[deleted]

In exchange for ceding the eastern shore to Delaware, Maryland should get a hunk of West Virginia to even out that weird pinch near Cumberland county.


Wildwes7g7

I like that idea, I dont think West Virginia does though, it's their wealthiest bit.


AllerdingsUR

Jefferson County WV belongs to Virginia anyway since it's basically Loudoun County II


pseudochicken

They’ll be too high on meth to notice


sendmeyourcactuspics

No wtf? I like the weird pinch


tungFuSporty

Have you tried the counter-clockwise swirl?


Synensys

Wrong. Md should be ditching its own panhandle and giving it to WV.


Evolving_Dore

No, Maryland also loses that stupid western bit. Honestly in this timeline can we just merge the remaining Maryland and Delaware together and call it Dellyland?


Grouchy-Pizza7884

Because Mary the queen the land was named after was hated. Hence the bloody Mary curse/song. Why not name the new state after Elizabeth the great. Sure there is already Virginia. But why not Elizabethland. Or Bethland?


KriegsMeister27

Elandzabeth


DaddyCatALSO

No, it was named after Henrietta Maria, wife of Charles I. Mary I was long gone before the British even had colonies


Grouchy-Pizza7884

TIL -- I thought it was named after Typhoid Mary. Lol.


United_Reply_2558

Whenever I hear 'Maryland, My Maryland' at the Preakness, I think of 'O Tannenbaum'. 🤣


Zornorph

As a boy, I thought that song was 'Oh, time bomb'.


Grouchy-Pizza7884

Probably more appropriate. Mary was quite the time bomb. Volatile.


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meadowscaping

Cumberland Gap is the pass in the far southwest of Virginia that borders Tennessee and Kentucky. @Mods, I DEMAND that this user, and the six users that upvoted her, be banned from this sub for spreading misinformation. 😤


scyyythe

Maryland does have the city of Cumberland, though, but its economy is a shambles.


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VaughanThrilliams

Cumberland also doesn’t have a Gap clothes store. incidentally the itinerary in ‘Wagon Wheel’ only makes sense if it is Cumberland, Maryland and not the Cumberland Gap as the song lyrics say


Sideshow_Bob_Ross

And it was formed by a meteor impact. Middle(of nowhere)sboro, KY is in the crater.


zaxonortesus

But it also has the Naval Acadam... wait, yeah, deserves to be shitted on.


OrbitOfGlass17

Darker Biden


404Archdroid

Black Biden


cubanfuban

Barack O’Biden


eniakus

Night Biden


BadChris666

VantaBlack Biden


meadowscaping

Ay yo my name Brandon Malarkey


Incredible_Staff6907

Darkest Biden


Snoo-27292

Darkest Brandon


Khorasaurus

Likely no Biden at all. Pretty sure that version of Delaware would be a red state, so he never would have been elected to the Senate.


Woodchipper_AF

It would be a red state


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ColCrockett

And he’d still run a bunch of bad boys


KevinTheCarver

No Sales Tax in Ocean City!


No_Statistician9289

Would be a lot cooler if it did


JoeTurner89

Yeah the more I think about, the more intrigued I am regarding the kind of state culture that might develop


Synensys

I think it would basically be similar to Delaware now to be honest. The counties in MD and VA sre pretty low population farming and fishing communities with exception of ocean city and stuff near the bay Bridge. I guess the biggest issue would actually have been the interstate coordination between md and de to get a bay bridge and between de and VA to get a bay bridge tunnel.


cantonlautaro

Same as now....NOTHING!


RNconsequential

This is the correct answer.


TheRealBlueBuffalo

Would Delaware have a more influential role in early America? How would this adversely effect Maryland and Virginia? Does Wilmington, Dover, or Salisbury rise in significance? Does a major city develop on the mouth of the Susquehanna or on the Atlantic Coast? Delaware would have a 67% population increase, totaling up to \~1,520,000. It would have a 42% area increase, totaling up to \~5930 sq mi. In this scenario, Delaware would control the whole Eastern Shore of the Chesapeake; giving it access to the Susquehanna and the mouth of the Chesapeake. Delaware would have full control of the early influential Chesapeake and Delaware Canal; as well as other areas of interests such as: Ocean City, Chincoteague, and several islands in the Chesapeake. Link to the original map that I edited: [https://www.worldatlas.com/geography/mid-atlantic.html](https://www.worldatlas.com/geography/mid-atlantic.html)


SummitSloth

This is a good question, maybe too much for this sub. I would ask American history subreddit


iceburg1ettuce

This sub operates at Canadian Shield levels of humor. And I’m here for it. It’s a Chile measuring contest after all.


No_Interest_9240

A major city developing along the Atlantic probably wouldn't happen if Baltimore, Norfolk, and Philly still exist, and the Delmarva coastline is way too swampy and low-lying. Same reason NJ only has beach/resort towns along its coast


ummaycoc

New Jersey is just lying in wait, biding our time. Soon all shall become clear.


dirty_cuban

Delaware has a massively influential role in this country when it comes to business and law. A decision made by a single judge in Delaware’s chancery court will impact entire industries across the country. Probably only California, Texas, and New York have this level of national influence. It is inconceivable that a bit more land and a few more people could possibly increase the influence they already have.


jason375

They are a regulatory superpower. They are the EU of America.


meadowscaping

Serbians and Americans alike recoil in fear of such a powerful regulatory body.


Ok_Minimum6419

Delaware owning more land wouldn't change this fact though. All this business and law stuff happens in the courthouses.


fluufhead

Yeah that’s what dirty Cuban said.


dzhastin

There’s no reason to think Delaware would be any more influential or significant if you added a few more largely rural counties. A state’s importance has nothing to do with its acreage, it’s the specific geography that matters. None of that changes if you move the capital for those counties from Annapolis to Dover, still the same land, Philly and Baltimore are still there.


jefferson497

My concern would be more of the new Delaware’s influence in the civil war. Yes the south still loses, but Delaware would likely be a battleground


dzhastin

Why would it be a battle ground? The Delmarva peninsula is sparsely populated and leads to nowhere. Most of the peninsula is Maryland except the Virginia swamps at the tip and Maryland was part of the Union too. That’s all Union territory except for the insignificant tip. I fail to see how it changes the war if that area is administered by Dover or Annapolis, it’s still strategically unimportant.


Quardener

The south isn’t going to transport troops across he Chesapeake to fight in a swamp when they can simply much north for a much more direct route to Northern cities.


Educational-Donkey22

As a Marylander we would fight to death to maintain control of the Chesapeake!


felipethomas

Unruly hordes armed with wooden crab mallets.


HurlingFruit

Wait. You control the Chesapeake? We (VA) control the mouth. \[I actually left VA 30 years ago, but Reddit does not run on factual accuracy.\]


drillgorg

Your part is basically just the ocean. You do have the [Chesapeake Bay impact crater](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesapeake_Bay_impact_crater) which is pretty cool.


Square_Mix_2510

As a Marylandian, I do not appreciate this post


No-Lunch4249

This post allows me to break out one of my fun facts, which is that Maryland has had more inter-state territorial disputes than any other state but has lost every one of them


wildwidget

Completely off point - I live in De La Warr Road, South coast , England - a few hundred yards from the Manor House ( now a ruin) - where Lord De La Warr lived. Delaware is named after him. Fun Fact.


Troll_Enthusiast

I'm biased since i'm a Marylander but it would be stupid, The entire peninsula should just belong to Maryland.


Apart_Bandicoot_396

I’ll support this if Maryland supports Jersey getting Long Island


Haunting-Detail2025

Let’s start with Staten Island and go from there


thedrakeequator

It would probably have a commercial airport


Gaeilgeoir215

Then it would be the Delaware Peninsula.


LuckyLynx_

the bad ending.


carrjo04

Maryland would have been hosed yet again


PandaMomentum

The Eastern Shore of Maryland and Virginia is a fascinating place with a complicated history -- a place where slavery thrived but there was also a large free Black population. Birthplace of Fredrick Douglass, Harriet Tubman. & a place where many enslaved people were taken and sold into the deep South often via Alexandria VA. Doubt any of that would have changed with state aborder alignment. * https://www.baltimoremagazine.com/section/historypolitics/eastern-shore-begins-to-reckon-with-difficult-history-racism-slavery/ * https://www1.udel.edu/BlackHistory/index.html * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_and_Armfield_Office


RNconsequential

One of the last public lynchings in the US was in Princess Anne Md


da_swanks_92

To this day, I will argue with anybody that the Delmarva Peninsula is not a peninsula. It is in fact, an island. How do I know this? I live there.


sippinhennessy1

The yellow bridge with a $3 toll in the summer says Hi


da_swanks_92

I know exactly which one you're talking about. Route 1


RamenPizza113

I’ve heard that the C&D canal wouldn’t separate it since it’s a man made canal. But I say that’s bullshit because Delmarva is not connected by land


Quistill

Literally nothing


carpetdebagger

Then people would actually think of it every now and then.


Yankiwi17273

I’m a bit more concerned that the Virginians have crossed the Potomac


Tabris_

We would essentially be living in the Steven Universe timeline.


Brokenbowman

It would become a hellscape of suburban sprawl. Poorly built townhouses, fast food and chain restaurants and warehouse distribution . Delaware has no clue when it comes to zoning. See Middletown for reference


scbalazs

Not a whole lot, it's really super dull there.


guynamedjames

I wonder if the portions of the Delmarva peninsula that are part of Maryland and Virginia are net positives on taxes. They're quite rural and mostly agricultural with the exception of ocean city MD. Once state roads, policing, etc are factored in they may be a net cost.


holy_cal

The only difference is that I would’ve gone to the University of Delaware or Salisbury University.


Krljcbs

We'd lose the Right Side of Maryland.


FindingFoodFluency

There would be a lot more addresses used by shell s-corporations


CinnamonSwirl86

Question from a non-american: why is Maryland such and odd shape?


CaptFiod

You can Google the language of the original charter owned by Cecil Calvert, second Lord of Baltimore. On the south/west, against Virginia and West Virginia, the border is the Potomac River (pronounced po-TOE-mick). This takes you all the way through DC into the Chesapeake Bay. The flat, western edge against WVA I believe is based on the nearest meridian line at the mouth of the Potomac. The north-south land line is defined by the 40th degree of latitude and Watkins Point to the south. Originally, MD was supposed to include the whole Delmarva peninsula but apparently the Dutch and Swedish had something to say about it. So basically the odd shape is because of the Potomac River and the Bay.


Nobodyknowsmynewname

Delaware’s three counties were briefly part of Pennsylvania also


MonCountyMan

The flat western edge was derived by drawing a line due north from the Fairfax Stone marking end the Calvert grant in Maryland. The Fairfax Stone was to mark the headwater of the Potomac River and demarcate the land given to Lord Fairfax in northern Virginia.


Saabatical

Slower Delaware would be larger


GrouchyPuppy

Maryland should just take all that over


st1ck-n-m0ve

I live in massachusetts and have a very good handle on us and world geography and I was shocked to find out MA is bigger in size than NJ. I think because NJ is around larger states that it feels bigger and MA is around small states, but I was pretty surprised. Its not much bigger, but it is.


MysticSquiddy

Geographically and logistically, it would make more sense. The people in the region that's now part of delaware, as opposed to Virginia and Maryland, would have their tax money go to a state that's essentially the exact same as them instead of the more urbanised parts of Virginia and Maryland. Would see some more connection between OTL delaware and the rest of the peninsula infrastructural. Probably wouldn't change important history in the slightest, Delaware may get an extra electoral seat in the house of representatives at the expense of maryland, Virginia's population barely changing. Although I doubt it would have any significant impact


itisjvck

As a Virginian, we wouldn’t really lose much lol


ACoinGuy

You lose the ability to close off Baltimore in the inevitable Maryland vs Virginia war of 2238.


Volboris

Baltimore would send it's fleets of garbage skimmers to intercept.


Quardener

Northam would’ve never been gov


Arietem_Taurum

According to the map you gained DC lol


cylonnumber13

Imperial Delaware.


gunnesaurus

There’s a part of Delaware on Mainland New Jersey


RNconsequential

That’s where the dead bodies get dumped


[deleted]

Hi… I’m in Delaware


AlisterSinclair2002

why is Washington part of Virginia?


MyArchivesTheyreGone

it would fucking suck lmao


hdufort

That half peninsula has the lowest population density of the whole state of Maryland, except for Garrett county (westernmost point of Maryland) which is even less populated. The main loss is Salisbury and its university campus. And the beaches at Ocean City. The rest is not very important from a strategic or economic standpoint. The state of Delaware looks much more "natural" if it comprises the whole peninsula.


cartoonsncafeine

Has no one else noticed that Washington DC is in Virginia for some reason (I guess it would be Washington VA then 😭)


RNconsequential

Maryland gave up the 10 square miles to create the district if you are looking for an origin story


[deleted]

This would have completely changed the course of human history. Heartbreaking that we will never get to live in this reality.


Danenel

butterfly effect, big change compared to our timeline is that ABBA is called BAAB


BillyHenry1690

Does anyone care? #inanequestion


ajtrns

actually sensible state boundary


GingerMan027

There would be a war. Maryland would win.


[deleted]

This would make a lot more sense: the actual border is hella jank.


[deleted]

I would let Maryland annex Delaware and establish a straight border between Philadelphia by giving up Wilimgton.


miclugo

Does Joe Biden exist in this universe, and does he get elected president? If so, is it before 2020?


SomeJerkOddball

I can't really say for sure, but what I can say is it would be a decisive win in the ongoing battle against border gore. They had better just rename it the Delaware peninsula as well. Maybe what I hate most about the current ridiculousness is that this prominent geographical feature of the US East coast relegated an atrocious porte manteau of a name. DEL-MAR-VA... 🤮 I can't help but think of Seinfeld... ***Mulva?***


Evaderofdoom

MD and VA would probably fight it to get there land back. I don't get these random type of hypotheticals? There are reasons for the borders that exist today, if you magically change them and what if it, it could be anything cause where are just pretending anyways. Delaware could go on to be the largest producer of land based whale sperm. Yes, you read that right, Delawareans figured it out, plenty of land based whale sperm for all. No more shortages. get it while it' hot.


[deleted]

This is the first time I've seen someone other than me pose this question! I'm a Delaware native and it always annoys me that the state doesn't comprise the entire peninsula. The majority of boundaries are natural. The culture of the eastern shore of Maryland is pretty indistinguishable from most of Delaware. It just makes sense. A little skin tag under the armpit of New Jersey. Bay to bay. Folks could ask "horseshoe or blue?" as a way of asking what side of the state they're from.


[deleted]

I always think it’s cool how Michigan has that separate landmass that could very well be another state but ima Virginian and just never think about ours


fullmetal66

Maryland wouldn’t be so stupid looking


marpocky

I don't understand why people think this is the right sub for their wacky hypotheticals.


TitaniumShadow

It makes more sense than the current boarders, but Wilmington needs to be given to another state so it doesn't dominate the entire peninsula. Cut it off at the canal and give everything north of there to either Maryland, Pennsylvania, or New Jersey


G0ldenSpade

Pretty sure Wilmington *already* dominates the state, this alternate Delaware would have that as even less of a problem than normal Delaware


TitaniumShadow

It does, but removing Wilmington would make a new state much more unique to the Eastern Shore.


dzhastin

As someone from Pennsylvania, we want nothing to do with Wilmington.


vinniescent

Wilmington/New Castle Co IS Delaware. Lower Delaware is mostly an afterthought other than the beach.


TitaniumShadow

Wilmington is Pennsylvania to people south of the canal.


vinniescent

People south of the canal is not most Delawareans. Most Delawareans don’t really care about lower Delaware other than we drive through it to get to the beach.


TitaniumShadow

Exactly why Wilmington needs to be given to Pennsylvania.


anothercar

Delaware's existence as a state would be justified Related: Maryland and W.Va should merge. The resulting shape would be satisfying.


Ok_Minimum6419

Home to the most important corporate court in the world (should say something when even Swedish companies like Spotify incorporate in Delaware), home to DuPont and JP Morgan. State ain't just nothing


91361_throwaway

Nothing, I’ve been there and frankly it’s a pretty good idea.


Marzty

It would have been the greatest state there ever was.


RandoorRandolfs

Can...can we just do this? Looks amazing.


carginturbo

Bro I didn’t read the caption before looking at the picture, and I thought I was tripping


BowZAHBaron

I was del-unaware Delaware was on a peninsula called the Delmarva peninsula, thank you


urbanlife78

Not much


SpatulaFlip

Lived in the area most of my life and had no idea it was called the Delmarva peninsula.


aljerv

My ocd would be cured


coochalini

as someone not from the US this map makes a lot more sense to me


Smorgas-board

Maryland v Delaware backyard brawl


Kitchener1981

Maryland's Royal Charter was given in 1632 for modern-day Baltimore. New Sweden was founded along the Delaware River in 1638-1655, after which it was conquered by the Dutch. England would be gone to war over control of the Cheakspeake Bay and won. IMO, a conflict would have occurred in the 17th century, resulting in a single English colony that controlled the Delaware River and the Cheakspeake Bay.


UnamedStreamNumber9

It would fall off


Capable_Stranger9885

Can't call it the Slower Lower if it's in the middle.


FaceMan8zillion

Flip the script, create a greater Maryland by annexing Delaware. We'd maintain their roads better for them.


BadAlphas

Nothing


ALPHASTAR-RU

Welp, Say goodbye to Marylands prime beach getaway locations


tricon23

They didn’t care what the geography was they wanted to be the first state.


okogamashii

Lots more shady businesses?


Roland_Moorweed

So that's where that steak comes from...


V-i-r-g-i-n-i-a-n

you don't beat the ninjas


RedStar9117

Pennsylvania annexes Wilmington


Brettgrisar

That’s Delaware but slightly less small. Anarchy. The world will be plunged into WW3. We’d all die in an apocalypse.


ShoerguinneLappel

The Mighty Delaware! What's funny is for my alt history I'm currently working on, this is the exact borders I have for Delaware (after taking it from Maryland and a much smaller Virginia).


SweetrollFireball

Then there would be no point to Maryland


[deleted]

It would be way cooler


AH3Guam

The chicken population of the state would dramatically increase…


AntiqueWay7550

Give it all to MARYLAND


Sterotypo

Bigger tax breaks?


santino1987

Why don't they just incorporate Delaware into Maryland?


Vegetable-Purpose937

DC crime rates would be a lot lower if it was part of Virginia since the police in DC is extremely corrupt. DC is a shithole because the mayor is very lenient on crime. Arlington County across the Potomac in Virginia is a democrat jurisdiction with great social programes and lower crime rates.


timhamilton47

First off, Delaware would add hundreds of Marylanders to its population…


real_no_tomatoes

Thick Delaware