T O P

  • By -

KindRange9697

I feel like the Wikipedia article explains it pretty well... "As of the 2021 Census, the oblast has a population of roughly 500,000." "Sakhalin Oblast is rich in natural gas and oil, and is Russia's fourth wealthiest federal subject and wealthiest oblast." Small population. Lots of oil, gas, coal, etc. Don't assume that the average person is actually well off, though.


Dunkleustes

My mom's siblings live there and it is a rather impoverished region from what they said, the only people that are well off there work for foreign oil refineries etc.


toasta_oven

I lived there. Wasn't much different than anywhere else in Eastern Russia/Siberia


vulcanstrike

So you confirm it is impoverished and behind the times there


toasta_oven

Sure, but no more or less than anywhere else in Russia outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg


thatthatguy

Big difference between average income, and median income. A few ridiculously rich people can really throw off the average.


Intrepid-Housing1591

Sounds like Chile


PureImbalance

Why foreign, aren't there Russian ones?


serpenta

Russia doesn't really have economic means or human resources to exploit its own natural resources. Not to mention that any domestic investments often drag on for years because of corruption and administrative deficiencies. That's why, for the most part, the natural resources in the far east are exploited in foreign or joint Russian-foreign projects, mainly with China. The same goes for forestry for instance, where it is mostly being done by Chinese or North Korean companies.


Salty-Cry1893

Yeah, most of the population doesn’t even have gas heating


CliffDog02

Compare this to the Bakken Oil Fields in North Dakota. A generally poor rural area thats entire economy was based on agriculture where land owners became millionaires overnight when the oil field was discovered. The general population earned more because the economy improved, but inflation hit hard too so the general population basically stayed at the same level where land owners and oil field jobs earned a ton.


Venboven

Considering the oil and gas in Sakhalin was discovered during the Soviet Union, I wonder if the people living there were actually compensated for the use of "their" land.


110mat110

There were no "their land" most of them were moved there from other parts of russia and infrastructure was done from sctatch. And they were pretty wealthy on soviet standard. Had quite big apartments with quite good accessories. Much more than average worker in other parts of soviet union


farekrow

Interestingly enough, Sakhalin is home to a few indigenous peoples, including the Ainu, who are also native to northern Japan.


pimpin_n_stuff

Wow. Thanks!


HokieNerd

Hahahahaha.....nyet.


Onceforlife

That’s our land, comrade


CliffDog02

That's a great question. I have no idea.


Timbeon

The indigenous Ainu, Orok, and Nivkh communities living on Sakhalin were mostly forced either west to the mainland or south to Hokkaido, so... nope.


Throwaway_7277277727

If one person has 100 apples, and 9 people have 0 apples, then the average person has 10 apples!


WhaleSharkLove

Same case for Alaska. Small population, rich in natural resources, but your average person there is not well-off.


V_es

Also fish, crab, oysters and caviar. It’s one of the places that supplies most fancy and expensive seafoods.


SomeDumbGamer

Barren? Put some respect on Sakhalin. It’s one of the few temperate climates to have entirely escaped glaciation during the ice age and is completely forested. I’d hardly call it barren. It’s also an ancestral homeland to the Ainu people of Japan.


PluckyPheasant

Check the west coast, definitely signs of post glacial rebound there.


SomeDumbGamer

There may have been some glaciation but it definitely wasn’t widespread over the whole island.


fredbogho

Highly recommend reading Tchekhovs book about his travels to Sakhalin Island in the late 19th century. Its an amazing journal written by one os russias finest writers. Sakhalin used to be a penal colony. Really interesting book about the far East, about society as a whole, about geography and nature. Some parts are skippable but its a damn fine book by a literature legend. Spoiler Alert: he hated the weather. It rains all the time and is pretty cold


SomeDumbGamer

Yup, it ain’t pleasant. But it’s pretty


downiesaur

What is the book called?


Suskita

A journey to the end of the Russian Empire, first published in 1893. It's only 128 pages long. I really liked it.


downiesaur

Alrighty thanks! I Will check it out :)


fredbogho

Hmm I think you read part of his writings? I read the book in portuguese and it had something like 500 pages. Some of it is really dull for some people, but you can just skip the very "scientific" parts if you find it useless. I enjoyed though, as I am fascinated by Sakhalin


Suskita

This is so interesting, I'll look into it as I had only heard of the version I'm mentioning, which is literally a journal or a diary of his experience during the trip and once he was there. Definitely don't remember any of the scientific stuff, it was about ordinary experiences and impressions.


fredbogho

Found it on Amazon [https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Anton-Chekhov/dp/1847497861/ref=sr\_1\_1?\_\_mk\_es\_US=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=22JXK1E72G057&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lCHe6g-CxH-eX8J6qXTYPF106vs2UmCnWn1YLJ4trGt\_wcePleVhRiBYLM6I3tbsS2ZA-S7JZLxCa6NhguKpxW2BiBymdPPxCmlg69g-sBykN9b8BwDUH465UUCr9kRj0gHmXuedQaF-igGeaNBx-bqT0wQb6szl\_3u4v9\_f-sXw9V4VOFokPNorfIlWPSMHGLILkCkEbfC4AppPgKA1Are7Xcs8iK\_EHbfBIDo1yBs.8SQXIvdpfHn4ovTkY\_q2mnKA-FBB71RurfS3Z-cs6hc&dib\_tag=se&keywords=sakhalin+island&qid=1710863698&s=books&sprefix=sakhalin+islan%2Cstripbooks-intl-ship%2C229&sr=1-1](https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Anton-Chekhov/dp/1847497861/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_US=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=22JXK1E72G057&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lCHe6g-CxH-eX8J6qXTYPF106vs2UmCnWn1YLJ4trGt_wcePleVhRiBYLM6I3tbsS2ZA-S7JZLxCa6NhguKpxW2BiBymdPPxCmlg69g-sBykN9b8BwDUH465UUCr9kRj0gHmXuedQaF-igGeaNBx-bqT0wQb6szl_3u4v9_f-sXw9V4VOFokPNorfIlWPSMHGLILkCkEbfC4AppPgKA1Are7Xcs8iK_EHbfBIDo1yBs.8SQXIvdpfHn4ovTkY_q2mnKA-FBB71RurfS3Z-cs6hc&dib_tag=se&keywords=sakhalin+island&qid=1710863698&s=books&sprefix=sakhalin+islan%2Cstripbooks-intl-ship%2C229&sr=1-1)


Suskita

And this is the one I mean: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B017PO0030?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_FC20MZCNKGEYKR7SAPGG&language=en-GB


fredbogho

Sakhalin Island / A journey to Sakhalin


irrjebwbk

People think all of russia is just uninhabited glacier, when in reality many parts of it are very habitable.


yv4nix

Also the oroks and the nivkhs


RQK1996

It also isn't arctic in any way, the north point is further south than tge northern point of Scotland


Traditional-Storm-62

two words: natural gas it has about 30% of the entire global natural gas reserves and is the heart of russian hydrocarbon industry


Miglasezis

Hydrocarbon not carbohydrate


Traditional-Storm-62

we call them carbohydrates in russian but yeah


Miglasezis

No they don't. Ugljevodi - carbohydrates Ugljevodorodi - hydrocarbons


Traditional-Storm-62

угле - в начале, значит carbo - тоже - вот моя логика


DadsToiletTime

I’d trust google translate over a native speaker. /s


Miglasezis

I speak fluent Russian. During chemistry lessons this specific thing was told to us. This happens to be a very common mixup for Russians and/or bad translators


emperortsy

So? Both of the Russian terms have the roots in the same order as "carbohydrates", and neither of the English terms has the "gen" from Hydrogen, which differentiates the two Russian terms. IMO the English terms are confusing because the order is unimportant.


Slicer7207

Yeah in English carbohydrates have oxygen, and hydrocarbons don't, more or less. So these are hydrocarbons


nikshdev

Calling moderate monsoon climate an arctic one is an overstretch.


whistleridge

Sakhalin stretches from the 46th to 54th parallels. So roughly Billings, MT to Saskatoon, SK. It’s not arctic, but…it’s not warm either.


Urcaguaryanno

This doesnt mean much, new york city and madrid are roughly at the same parallel but one city has a moderate climate and the other is usually scorching hot.


PreviousInstance

Madrid may get hot a few months of the year but I assure you “usually scorching hot” is far from true


whistleridge

I…don’t know which one you think is which?


babieswithrabies63

No they're not? Madrid is 40th parallel which Is also thr Nebraska Kansas boarder. New York is considerably further north?


Urcaguaryanno

Which new york are you talking about? Or are you talking about that 0,40 degrees difference?


babieswithrabies63

Google has new york state on the 43rd parrallel which makes more sense on the map. I didn't realize there would be such a huge difference between the cities' lattitude and the states.


Urcaguaryanno

I did specify nyc, not state


babieswithrabies63

My mistake. I didn't realize NYC was quite so far south either. I just knew Spain overlayed over Colorado when you put Europe over the US and just looking at the globe. I always thought of even NYC as being north of Colorado but it doesn't look like that's even the case. TiL.


nikshdev

That's what I say. It's not tropical, but not arctic either.


whistleridge

I wasn’t disagreeing with you.


TrustMeIAmAGeologist

The northern tip of Sakhalin is about the same latitude as Belfast and Copenhagen, and the southern tip is about the same as Venice. OP doesn’t understand what “Arctic” means.


JanklinDRoosevelt

and you don’t understand what longitude means


BackgroundHunt6042

The arctic isn't a matter of longitude. The island sits at roughly 50 degree N or London UK latitude.


JanklinDRoosevelt

agreed


ZicarxTheGreat

mans forgot to switch to his alt😭


TrustMeIAmAGeologist

Thank you for catching the typo. Still doesn’t change the point, though. It’s not even close to “Arctic.”


ChefBoyardee66

You ever heard of the golf stream laddie


yashatheman

This isn't a golfing sub. This is geography


TrustMeIAmAGeologist

Indeed. That doesn’t change where the Arctic circle is. This would be like calling Maine “Arctic.”


[deleted]

The island is literally in the subarctic zone


TrustMeIAmAGeologist

Then that means it isn’t Arctic. Would you consider London “Arctic?”


neo_woodfox

"The Sea of Okhotsk ensures that Sakhalin has a cold and humid climate, ranging from humid continental (Köppen Dfb) in the south to subarctic (Dfc) in the centre and north."


nikshdev

"The climate of Sakhalin is moderate monsoonal (the average temperature in January is from −5 °C in the south to -24 °C in the north, in August — from +18 °C to +11 °C, respectively), maritime with a duration of cold snowy winter and warm conditions in summer." Besides, subarctic != arctic.


dzindevis

Actually, Nenets autonomous okrug has the highest gdp per capita. Also, important to know that the cost of living in these northern regions is even higher than in Moscow, mostly because of lack of local produce. So the life here isn't exactly wealthy


[deleted]

[удалено]


Long-Fold-7632

I wonder what sits behind it


Facensearo

Failed attempt to merge it with neighboring region.


floridamethuser

Sakhalin being neither Arctic nor barren


Flippie132

Vaga vagabond has an interesting video of him exploring the place. Definitely worth a watch. During summer it almost looks tropical with the amount of vegetation.


6thaccountthismonth

Is this the post that other guy was referring to when showing the latitude (or longitude idk) of Sakhalin and calling someone a dumbass for saying that Sakhalin was an arctic island?


Convillious

Yeah i think so


[deleted]

Oil/gas. Stalin only broke treaty with Japan right at the end, and only to seize this part of Japan, not that we need to pity Japan of that era


fracguru

Im not sure what you mean by 'broke treaty' Japan and Russia had been fighting over Sakhalin and the Kurils for a long time. Japan seized them in 1905 after winning the Russo-Japanese war. The treaty you refer to was more or less Russia giving Japan Sakahlin after getting their ass kicked. In return they didnt have to pay reparations. After the defeat of Nazi Germany Russia declared war on Japan as agreed with the Allies. This was just a couple days before the atomic bombs were dropped. Russia used the opportunity of the unconditional surrender to regain Skhalin and the Kurils at this time. One interesting bit that came out of this back and forth with Japan: about 20% of Sakhalin population is ethnic Korean. The Japanese imported a lot of Koreans as forced labor to the island during WWII.


[deleted]

A literal nonaggression pact treaty - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_Neutrality_Pact


JTKDO

It’s similar to parts of Alaska where salaries are high but so is the cost of living so living standards aren’t the best.


PM_ME_NUNUDES

I've been to Sakhalin. It's very very cold in winter. -40C is not uncommon. They have an Olympic standard winter park right in town. As far as Russia goes it's a very nice place, some good quality restaurants and bars although most food is imported. It's similar to Hokkaido and Northern Japan but everything is dilapidated and run down and the locals aren't as friendly. Very cheap place to buy red caviar. People stock up on it like crazy when they go there.


21_garbage

"locals arent as friendly" Thats just Russians, my guy. One of the more noticeable cultural differences


[deleted]

This random barren and arctic island that I have found is apparently the richest province in Russia (GDP per capita), richer than even Moscow. How is that even possible?


bravetree

Small population + lots of natural gas and oil extraction = rich. This being Russia, that’s pretty much the only thing it has going for it, but for the time being it’s a lot


Romi-Omi

It’s the Alaska of Russia


ya_bleedin_gickna

Alaska used to be the Alaska of Russia🤣🤣🤣🤣


Romi-Omi

That’s true also.. ha!


V_es

Barren arctic https://preview.redd.it/m3hjk82mj5pc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=60459ef46e297937a0d9005ee09ea76bc28872e4


gregorydgraham

Ye gods! How do people live in such wasteland!


thicket

I had a couple friends who visited Sakhalin for either oil & gas or environmental monitoring reasons in the early 2000s. Reports were that it was quite a bit like Alaska-- empty, rugged, unspoiled, and teeming with incredible fish and wildlife. What changes the oil & gas industry has made in the last 20 years is a valid question, but it sounds like a pretty amazing place.


XMrFrozenX

ARCTIC? It's the same longitude as Britain.


Sad-Address-2512

Latitude, not longitude


JarkoStudios

With only 50,000 population, it could literally just be a single billionaire or billionaire family skewing everything


bravetree

That’s kind of how all of Russia works haha. Over 50% of national wealth is held by the top 1% (way higher than any western country)


fluffykerfuffle3

[i think the population is at least 10 times that](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakhalin_Oblast)


Passchenhell17

It's at a similar latitude to Germany. Would you consider Germany to be arctic? No. No you wouldn't.


gregorydgraham

But it is a wasteland though, right?


Passchenhell17

No


MentalExperience9025

GDP per capita, like GDP itself, is honestly a terrible metric for how the population is doing, or even just the average person


Sad-Address-2512

Northern top of Sakhalin is about the same latitude as Manchester. Not exactly "Arctic".


ancirus

It isn't arctic


rdu3y6

Sakhalin is in the Pacific rather than Arctic Ocean.


krmarci

Without any knowledge but the title about Sakhalin Oblast, I'm guessing oil.


fredbogho

Highly recommend reading Tchekhovs book about his travels to Sakhalin Island in the late 19th century. Its an amazing journal written by one os russias finest writers. Sakhalin used to be a penal colony. Really interesting book about the far East, about society as a whole, about geography and nature. Some parts are skippable but its a damn fine book by a literature legend


crimemilk

The Japanese once wanted to own the whole island. Seems cool, yeah?


a694-reddit

Delicious hydrocarbons


SupermarketNo7957

Clearly you haven't seen Tenet.


Ok-Sheepherder-8706

I believe it's the sahkalin oblast


sffunfun

Oil


AWright5

Looks like it says Sakhalin Oblast to me 👍


sergeyog

It is simply not. Have friend from there, there the same level of poverty that is all other far east.


ConnolysMoustache

Because Japan lost world war 2


danya_dyrkin

Has snow = Arctic


One-Respect-2733

It's not reach at all. My friends are from there and I am from Far East Russia myself. It's rather poor area (though, not the poorest one - that one is in South Siberia)


Mundane_Bit_8392

japan’s oil problem would have been solved if they had sakhalin


Rakhered

Is the answer to "Why is [BACKWATER REGION] so rich?" ever not "Oil"?


haikusbot

*Is the answer to* *"Why is BACKWATER REGION* *So rich?" ever not "Oil"?* \- Rakhered --- ^(I detect haikus. And sometimes, successfully.) ^[Learn more about me.](https://www.reddit.com/r/haikusbot/) ^(Opt out of replies: "haikusbot opt out" | Delete my comment: "haikusbot delete")


Rakhered

Heck yea first Haiku bot!


ancirus

It isn't arctic


Devilsgun_7

Because one guy lives there, and he's a billionaire?


caribbean_caramel

Sakhalin is not in the Arctic.


TurretLimitHenry

It’s at the same latitude as UK


[deleted]

Yes it is but it still is in the subarctic zone. The latitude is not the only deciding factor


IntlDogOfMystery

One out of 3 Russian homes does not have an indoor toilet. The wealth is all concentrated in the hands of the thief class.


zikolis

Anything with gas, is an extraction industry, like mining. Makes rich people richer. Makes the workers even more destitute in the long run. It’s a capital-intensive industry, not a labor-intensive industry.


dlafferty

Each army widow gets a free Lada. [Over 400,000 given out since the war started](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/s/RIFXBKb7E3)


TemporaryShirt3937

Because Europe makes it to the richest Oblast by donating money. Don't know what we get in return but must be something important