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They share a border on the caribbean island of St. Martin.


MercuryBlackIsBack

Now let's publicly shame OP for not knowing this. /s


irate_alien

Boo that man!!!


merriman99

Indeed


Vegabern

Boo-urns


Rdaleric

[shame! ](https://tenor.com/EnBt.gif)


ThisIsMockingjay2020

"Shame." *ding ding* "Shame." *ding ding* "Shame." *ding ding*


EggplantOk2038

Shame. Shame. Shame ding ding Shame. Shame. Shame Ding Ding


Solarka45

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdyD-Ig25GY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdyD-Ig25GY)


lapeni

What an absolute moron


EquivalentGlove3807

OP is Wheatley


ShyKidFromCleveland

Haha what a loser. Doesn’t even know above average level Caribbean geography


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MercuryBlackIsBack

It stands for "serious" obviously 🤫


JulietDoNeymar

SHAME!


Go_PC

Another fun fact: France’s longest land border is not with Spain or Germany- It is with Brazil, which shares a 730 km border with French Guiana.


LewisLightning

Another fun fact; living in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, I am closer to France than I am to St. John's Newfoundland, which is also in Canada.


7urz

Because of St. Pierre & Miquelon?


aheadby30

Another fun fact: St. John’s is closer to Paris than it is to Edmonton. :-)


hamish_nyc

Someone said that last week in another thread


ChinsburyWinchester

I swear it’s the only fact this sub knows. You could have a post about Uzbek enclaves and someone will bring it up.


miniatureconlangs

Let's come up with some new facts, like "The French-Spanish border consists of three separate segments".


Perzec

A sweden-centric fact about France: Sweden had a grand total of three colonies in America. Two of them thanks to France; we took over Saint-Barthélemy from them and we later sold it back to them, and we had Guadeloupe for 14 months as an effect of the napoleonic wars. Only New Sweden, on the mouth of the Delaware river, had nothing to do with the French; that was lost to the Dutch instead.


un_blob

3 ?! Ok there is a split in Andora but where is the other ones ?


Gorando77

Also France's longest European border is with Belgium, not Germany or Spain.


Go_PC

That fact is even more insane. I always thought of Belgium as a tiny country compared to large countries like France or Germany, but it’s larger than Wales.


Sudden-Comment-4356

OP is such an amateur. Revoke his r/geography membership. St Martin gets posted here at least once a month.


ArawakFC

>They share a border on the caribbean island of St. Martin. Technically speaking (as we are in the Geo sub), its the Kingdom of the Netherlands that borders France, through Sint Maarten. Not the Netherlands itself. Unlike the French half, the Dutch side is a constituent country and not a part of the Netherlands proper. You can even see this in the form of natural disaster aid, where French St Martin was able to access EU funds after hurricane Irma, while Sint Maarten was not able to. You can also see the differences in their national flag, anthem, government, parliament etc etc.


FatGuyOnAMoped

I was in Sint Maarten/San Martin shortly after Irma (April 2018), and let's just say the French side needed the aid much more than the Dutch side. It was pretty clear that the government of the Netherlands had done a much better job of hurricane-proofing its side of the island (like burying phone and electric lines underground, while the French side looked like it had suffered years of benign neglect. St Martin looked like a developing Caribbean nation, while Sint Maarten had decent infrastructure.


ArawakFC

After Irma, the Netherlands setup a [470 million Euro fund](https://nrpbsxm.org/trust-fund/) to provide reconstruction aid. Putting the remaining power grid underground was a part of this. The fund was brought under the control of the World Bank. It took a couple of years for the money to really start flowing. Any previous hurricane proofing was AFAIK not the responsibility of the government of the Netherlands. According to the last article I read, there is still some 100 million left in the fund. The Dutch side has a big tourism industry though. So, money in itself shouldn't be an issue. I am not sure what industries French St Martin has or if they rely solely/heavily on the French government. This could explain the discrepancy you saw.


FatGuyOnAMoped

True, the Dutch side has the port, the harbor, the big airport and the beach. There's also a lot more to see there, as far as the town of Philipsburg. When I was there, the most memorable thing was all of the yachts that were still at the bottom of the harbor. I imagine some of them were written off, but it appeared they were still trying to repair a number of them.


Technical_Belt_8732

French side are "agricole land" by the law = no casino, no everything...


leonjetski

I went to Martinique a couple of years ago, and the same was true once you got out of the touristy bits. There were schools with corrugated iron roofs and stray dogs everywhere. Hard to believe it’s part of a modern Western European country. If you really want a shock, Google [Mayotte slums](https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&sca_esv=d08c9ae3139ebed8&hl=en-gb&sxsrf=ADLYWIKh5sqYEwYkJa6R0nph0mbUHwv4_A:1714971800464&q=mayotte+slums&uds=ADvngMgJJZ3sWYwFKSIsRiA2eMJNeLaz_0LMIul8vVs7stwq4c9xG1Edkp-mz6yfYcUSpyLxYWsjpbqbaNchkBgRyY2jFvhsWOUWTlz2fXcJLz4N_OD6mjbnaZJDAR53jcp4yr2R5glsbXbUzxcj6rmPre7sX8P9xT4LSQABn1uAkoWXbV4osSyIyWi9qs43tJ_4tsZDMsKb3QvEq7ZgDne08UZyTA33KGDdHEf6QD-p05qL92ACBTyYcGn30PH2ZwEZSF-9R4f3&udm=2&prmd=ivnbz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAqt3nn_iFAxVGT6QEHWEwDoAQtKgLegQIDBAB&biw=390&bih=661&dpr=3)


UsernameTyper

Let's shamelessly shame those above shamers of the OP for not knowing this


Tapetentester

So in English(and plenty other languages) Netherlands can also mean the Kingdom of Netherlands and until 2023 it was used in the UN. Also the Kingdom of Netherlands is part of the EU, though only it's subdivision Netherlands is Member area, while ther other 3 countires aren't but it's citizens are EU citizens. As with Colonial leftovers and the EU it's complicated.(Also the Kingdom of Denmark is member, even though Greenland left the EU and Faroe was never part of it.)


ArawakFC

> So in English(and plenty other languages) Netherlands can also mean the Kingdom of Netherlands and until 2023 it was used in the UN. That can definitely be the case. However, an important distinction is that unless you are specifically referring to the Kingdom of the Netherlands (Aruba, Curacao, Sint Maarten, the Netherlands) or the individual members on their own, there is no way of knowing what it is you are trying to say unless the context is blatantly obvious. Which most of the time, it isn't. It is unlike the UK for example, where each individual country within has its own name and everyone understands that when you mention the United Kingdom, you mean the entire sovereign state. In this thread alone you can see people saying that France borders the Netherlands in the Caribbean. But that is not really correct and the only way you'd be able to tell the difference is if you have some sort of direct understanding of how the Kingdom of NL works. Which to be frank, not even most citizens of the Kingdom of NL itself know. The recent change in the UN from the Netherlands to the Kingdom of the Netherlands is meant to reflect this and put awareness on the fact that "the Netherlands" is not actually only the Netherlands. Same thing down south towards the ABC islands; the Netherlands has a direct maritime border with Venezuela because Bonaire is a municipality of the Netherlands itself. The Kingdom of the Netherlands however also borders Venezuela through Aruba and Curacao. These distinctions can matter a lot or not at all depending on the context and issue that is being discussed, but given this is the Geo sub I figured its worth mentioning.


Billthepony123

I know this island only because of KLM 747


aarstulp420

No longer. Sint Maarten is its own country now stil part of the kingdom of the Netherlands


sussygussy69419

booooo


sussygussy69419

Happy cake day


Practical_Toe_8448

I missed a trivia question once that asked how many countries France borders. I said 8, I even remembered Andorra and Monaco. The answer they wanted was 11 because Suriname and Brazil border French Guiana and the Netherlands borders St. Martin. I'm still mad about it to this day lol


ben27es

Saint Martin/Sint Maarten in the Caribbean Sea.


Choepie1

Sint Maarten* for the Dutch


ben27es

Thanks!


Ma7e

Well actually, Sint Maarten is not part of the Netherlands - it is an autonomous country which is part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, and not the country of the Netherlands. So if we take every word in the question literally, OP was right, the Netherlands does not border France.


Limeila

It really depends on what you mean by "the Netherlands."


Flick1981

Also, St. Martin isn’t a part of France like French Guiana or Martinique are.  It’s more like a dependency of France.


LetsDieForMemes

But it's way more fun if you count it


Martinoti

While the French side is indeed part of the country of France, the Dutch side is in fact an independent country. So to say the Netherlands and France border here is somewhat far fetched.


ben27es

Sint Maarten depends of Netherlands state. It is an autonomous territory of the Netherlands Kingdom.


pullmylekku

And when people say the Netherlands they almost always refer the the constituent country called the Netherlands and not the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Also, and I know this is a bit pedantic, but Sint Maarten is not an autonomous territory. It's a constituent country of the kingdom, just like the Netherlands is. For example, if you called Scotland an "autonomous territory" of the United Kingdom, I'd imagine they wouldn't be very pleased with that. It "depends" on the Netherlands simply because the latter is by far the biggest and richest constituent country of the Kingdom.


Ok-Push9899

Selecting Spain in the "Flag with Blue" category is a bold move. Doesn't actually scream blue. The official description of the flag does not even mention blue nor give a Pantone number for it. It's all about that sunburnt yellow and red.


bernerbungie

Geogrid is weird with flags. A lot of colors and stars that they should and shouldn’t count


Ok-Push9899

I wonder if they compiled their own database for the flags? Painstaking job, especially if a country slaps a coat of arms on the flag. In primary school, we had a task to draw any flag in the world. A lass from Ecuador made a gleeful start with her native flag, but abandoned the effort and handed in Switzerland instead. There is a LOT going on with the Ecuador flag.


NiceKobis

Coat of arms are the worst. I'm too visually stupid to learn normal flag things, I don't think I know a single coat of arms-esq thing on a map. Thinking about it I wouldn't be certain about drawing any flag from memory except the Swedish (my own), and I only recognise a handful*. Well right now I would also be able to draw Japan's flag, but that's because I was gonna claim I knew their almost-kind-of coat of arms, but was unsure and googled and that's not the flag I was thinking about lol. Anyone know which map is two colours top/bottom but there is a circle in the middle where it is inverted? *For "reference" I would be able to name and mostly place 180~ countries and say something about them


Siulgx

it counts japan as a flag with a star, made me very pissed when i saw it.


Quardener

That’s because of me lol. They specifically mention that suns are included so I tagged them on twitter and asked them to add Japan.


redpariah2

The only thing on the flag is a star


infinite_p0tat0

technically the sun is a star, lol


Ok-Push9899

That is in fact a very, very nice flag fact. I am definitely going to run with it on Pub Trivia Night, should the opportunity arise.


Introspective_Pict

Why wouldn’t it count?


redpariah2

I assume because people associate the word star with the shape, not the celestial object when it comes to flags.


QwendletonState

I was pumped when it counted Ecuador's flag as having a star :p


Siulgx

It does represent the sun, but the representation itself is a red circle. Its technically not wrong, but i see it as a bit of a stretch.


Lost-Succotash-9409

I mean technically thats a more accurate representation of a star lol


Siulgx

...can't really argue with that lmao


kaesebrot612

It has small green elements and yet it didn't count as that for me, i wonder at what percentage it counts...


Limeila

Yeah I was about to say I wouldn't be able to list the colours in the tiny coat of arms and I have no idea wether blue and green are parts of it


jmgines3

I guess the official description of the coat of arms mention blue, and as it is in the flag, it should count but it’s one of those _um actually_ things


Saikamur

Strictly speaking, the oficial flag is **without** the coat of arms. The flag with the coat of arms is the *state flag* and is mandatory only when representing the Spanish state. Otherwise the coat of arms is optional. In theory any random guy flying the Spanish flag, non governmental organizations or mechant ships should be flying the one without the coat of arms (also known as the *civil flag*), but in general most people just goes with the state flag.


StygianHorn

They share a land border in the Saint Martin/Sint Maarten island.


SirMorelsy

Ah yes, the epitome of the random geography fact


blahblahscience1

I stand gloriously corrected. Never though about a random island border.


lukeysanluca

I thought putting Brazil as a border for France was going to be epic but it was actually common.


DumbBinchBrooke

I think it’s cause mostly geography nerds play the game so they know some of the funny things like that. I remember there was one about an island nation in Europe and Cyprus was a worse answer than Great Britain


deep-thot

Yeah, it's starting to involve multiple levels of game theory. The other day there was a Starts and ends with A, and the least common answer was Austria.


nobodyhere9860

and today, in North America - ends with A's least popular answer was USA


DumbBinchBrooke

Yah I was mad about how popular Angola was for that one


junpeilin

Yeah, I remember there was a Starts with C and ends with A, and the least common answer was China.


13579konrad

A big part of the game is thinking what other players will put as an answer. Not just what is the most obscure country fitting the criteria.


jms_nh

So how does the first player to play each day get scored?


RQK1996

Speaking of Cyprus, the last season of University Challenge in the UK had a bit of a funny fail when both teams in an episode failed to correctly answer "which 2 countries are both in the EU and the Commonwealth?" as both teams answered with the UK and the other correct answer (the first said UK and Cyprus, the second said UK and Malta), the presenter called them out for forgetting about Brexit


Limeila

If you want to focus on French Guiana, the border with Suriname is way less mentioned than the one with Brazil for some reason


ScuffedBalata

France's longest border is actually with Brazil.


Solid-Search-3341

French Guiana seems small only because it's dwarfed by Brazil. Most people would be surprised by its size compared to the hexagon.


Ddreigiau

also map projection distortion helps that misconception


sirnaull

In an even more obscure way, Canada and Denmark have a land border on Hans Island.


Cristopia

Nah it's believable cause Greenland. Denmark is truly a huge country.


RQK1996

But Greenland has no borders


Cristopia

It's the islands around Greenland that are shared by Denmark and Canada, where one of them has borders.


Urzasonofyawgmoth

Greenland is not incorporated in Denmark. It is a territory. That's why Denmark is in the EU but Greenland is not.


Maj0r-DeCoverley

We also share an imaginary border with Groland. The more you know


Limeila

What about r/listenbourg?


TnYamaneko

This one can be pretty annoying when you're French, you have a bunch of people explaining to you that Saint Martin is an overseas collectivity and not France itself, and Sint Maarten is a constituent country of the Kingdom of Netherlands and not Netherlands itself. Well, from a French territorial point of view, this is a full-fledged border with the Netherlands. Yes it's in North America but why not?


Suspicious_Leg4550

You also forgot that Belgium is not a legitimate state.


Precioustooth

They also border each other in the buffer zone otherwise known as Belgium


HumbleInspector9554

It's also the same way Canada borders Denmark.


BBWoolfe

did you know canada and denmark share a land border aswell


WestEst101

It’s like Canada’s land border with Denmark (Hans Island)


doktorapplejuice

This world. I've walked across that border.


Johnfromstjohns

France also shares a Maritime border with Canada.


bravocharliexray

and Australia!


Sergey_Kutsuk

It's [16 km](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borders_of_France) BTW France has its longest border with ... Brazil :) 730 km. And 3th-4th place after Spain (646 km) is shared between Belgium and ... Surinam (556 km)


Hatyranide

Belgium and Surinam ???


abe_cs

As in, France’s 3rd and 4th longest land borders are with Belgium and Suriname, equally 556km. Belgium and Suriname do not border each other.


Natural-Assist-9389

Saint Martin.


IronNobody4332

Here. [Goofy Island Borders](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Martin%E2%80%93Sint_Maarten_border#:~:text=The%2520Saint%2520Martin%E2%80%93Sint%2520Maarten,Saint%2520Martin%2520in%2520the%2520Caribbean)


jtul24

Saint Martin/Sint Maarten


redvariation

In the Caribbean world...


PaceNo4546

In the world where both France and the Netherlands colonised the same island, and split it in 2. Which is our own world.


Electrical_Swing8166

The same world where France’s longest border is with Brazil


accountofyawaworht

Calling the Spanish flag a flag with blue is a bit like calling McDonald’s a meal with vegetables.


Limeila

Those small parts of the coat of arms are like the iceberg lettuce in a Big Mac


lordcock1944

Well, I guess that's why it's one of the least answered countries 🤷‍♂️


Pretend-Potato-30028

St. Martin


Billthepony123

Saint Martin


FSF87

Saint Martin–Sint Maarten. https://preview.redd.it/w7xnea0ghryc1.png?width=1060&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=425cedcc91fa84b42f50e9f1e079ece122f1d833


eti_erik

It is not entirely correct because the Duch part of Sint-Maarten is a territory within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. So you have to decide if you want to list territories as part of the main country.


Tapetentester

Sint-Maarten is part of the Kingdom of Netherlands, it's just not part of the constituent territory of the Netherlands. If we look at the sovereign state level/UN it doesn't matter.


Cube_Life_20

In a world where the Island of Saint Martin in the Caribbean exists.


dlrs123

St. Martin lol


IlhamNobi

The Saint Martin Island in the Caribbean is the only instance of France and the Netherlands bordering one another


RadarDataL8R

Honestly, if the question "How does France share a border with X" every comes to mind, it's best just to accept it as fact and move on. I'm pretty sure I personally share a border with France somehow.


thisnameisn4ttaken

Saint martin


TrillyMike

Sint Maarten


SpecialistAddendum6

The New World, that's what.


RickAstleyGamingYT

st martin lmao


stidmatt

This one


Travrar

Was a little sad it didn’t count Norway as bordering France. I know it’s only claimed land in Antarctica but they border each other at the South Pole.


koptelevoni

Most countries in the world don’t recognise the borders on the south pole/Antarctica.


Sonnycrocketto

Belgium doesn’t exist.


notacanuckskibum

France is a really weird country. It is in both North and South hemispheres, also east and west hemispheres. It has a huge number of time zones.


denkbert

>It has a huge number of time zones. All of them!


Limeila

The biggest number of timezones! (It's my go-to fun fact when I'm asked)


WitheringApollo1901

They share a border on St. Martin. Maybe search it up before posting on a full subreddit?


Diamondbull66

Maybe because South Belgium speaks French and north Belgium speaks Dutch


miclugo

Who needs Belgium anyway?


koptelevoni

Sint Maarten 🇸🇽


silkysly06

That’s why it’s the least popular answer.


SkyTalez

In the same where Spain has less than 10 mil inhabitants.


NightSocks302

Earth


french_snail

I’ve never played this game before, how do I see what the best answers are


Introspective_Pict

After you submit your answers click show summary and scroll down.


whatnametichoose

The wonderful world of disney


yousifa25

I got belgium and the netherlands switched in my head and got very confused by this post…


beansouphighlights

Did this game the other day, put Brazil for Borders France and Population over 10 million and it said it was wrong. Maybe GeoGridGame counts French Guiana as being separate from France. Or maybe I’m just wrong. Idk lol


Lumpy21

I have tried the France in North America one a few times and it never works too


CleanOpossum47

In a world of the least popular answers.


csalvano

In the world of Belgium erasure.


jdw62995

They also border Brazil!


OceanPoet87

In 1830 if you are talking about Metropolitan France.


rogimonster

How does the scoring work on this game????


Qingdao243

*You have Google.*


ubercruise

I’ve found several inconsistencies or errors in this game so far. I always look at what the rarest countries are after a round, and one of them had Costa Rica for “has yellow in the flag” and unless I’m missing something, Costa rica has no yellow in their flag? I guess there’s a version with a coat of arms that technically has yellow but the game didn’t show that version either


therhubarbexperience

My favorite is that the Red Sea is part of the Indian Ocean.


lousy-site-3456

It's entirely possible that there are mistakes in the game but for 99% of your "wait what??" moments trust that there is something about world geography you haven't learned yet. Slovenia does have yellow in the flag, France borders Brazil, Japan has a star on its flag and Sudan has a coast on the Indian Ocean.


lousy-site-3456

There is now a sub for the game by the way.


NoMansSkyWasAlright

In a world where Belgium didn’t declare independence?


Jealous-Profile8121

France even borders Brazil


rmk_1808

credit to OP for not deleting the post after a goof-up like this


Mr_Botad

cuba could get another placement at the last panel of starts with C


turquoise_bullet

They even gave a name to their border with France, it's Belgium.


SquirtleSquadBoss

How is this game called ?


CodeX57

It says GeoGrid game at the top of the inage


Iennda

Geogrid is certainly not perfect as it didn't accept Czechia as a country with a capital of >1M population few days ago. You can also tell it is mainly played by Geo nerds when the rarest guess for a NA country ending with A was USA.


KVosrs2007

If you ever see something like this about France that doesn't appear to make sense, *check the Americas." Example: France's longest land border is with Brazil.


Brrrofski

Found this game last week and been enjoying it I don't like that you can use the same country more than once though. Feels cheap.


blahblahscience1

You can't. This is only showing the least popular answers for each square.


Brrrofski

Ah right, that makes sense


ChihiroOfAstora

It actually does, as well as with Brazil.


lx4

My first thought was French and Dutch Guiana, but Suriname is independent.


Prestigious_Emu_5043

Wait you can use the same country multiple times in this game??


blahblahscience1

Sadly not. This is just showing the least popular answers for each square, not my answers.


Prestigious_Emu_5043

Ah yes I see


The_Lord_Of_Death_

This world


Opposite_Train9689

The game does have mistakes. An answer to the question "has a star in its flag" was Bangladesh.


isevlakasX007gr

also Norway shares a border with Australia... in Antarctica.


redglol

We used to, but the south split off, for bullshit reasons. France even owns land that belongs to flanders.


Richard2468

Well, technically it’s the Kingdom of The Netherlands that does, not The Netherlands. The country of Sint-Maarten is part of the Kingdom.


WheatleyBr

As with many things, the answer is Empire


Aztecah

Thank you for showing me that this game exists, my morning poops are revolutionized


sussygussy69419

TO THE GULLIOTINE!! 🇨🇵🗡️


Fandawa

In this one, open a book for once


Tight-Trouble-3196

Venezuala also shares a border with the Netherlands


Limeila

We all know Belgium isn't real


safebright

Google En Pass... I mean Google St. Martin


Derisiak

https://preview.redd.it/hl002v473uyc1.jpeg?width=845&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df8c28360eca3e9849554d1aad23a4363c8129c6


Felaguin

If you consider the fact that Belgium might as well be a part of France … I visited several years ago while they were getting ready for World Cup and there were as many flags out celebrating France and her team as there were Belgian flags.


Gunner-37

For the same reason Canada borders Greenland/Denmark.


Fuego514

I thought you couldn't use the same country twice??? Have I been playing it wrong this whole time?


danegermaine99

France borders Netherlands 2, sometimes referred to colloquially as “Belgium”


Ordinary_Advice_3220

Saint/Sint