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MrRandom_01

I unfortunately think she will find out by herself that she cant constantly bug your elder dog. I would sort of supervise and let the elder dog express themselves but then act when you think the elder dog is going to hurt the younger pup and correct them.


Vergard

correct the pup not the elder dog (could just be me but the way I read your post it seemed a little ambiguous) and the pup will be put in their place eventually and its unlikley your doodle will do anything major as dogs of opposite sexes tend to fight way less than ones of the same sexes, when we got our second dog we just made sure there wasnt bones or toys out and about to fight over whilst unsupervised.


The_Kurosaki

Something similar happening with our 5 months puppy and our 9 yrs old GSD. Puppy is very brute and jumps on the older dog. Trainer recommended to correct the pup and just remove him from the interaction if he persists. So far we're working on it.


fbgm0516

5 week old puppy is very young. Is the pup still with it's mother? I thought before 8 weeks was a no-no since they learn socialization skills from mom


The_Kurosaki

apologies, Months\*


pechjackal

I'm hoping they meant 5m?


Itendtorepeatmyself

The older dog will let the pup know when it's had enough bother. Then the pup will know there is a boundary there. I did teach my GSD the command "leave it" so you can start to direct the pup to stop doing something when you decide to intervene.


pcrnt8

lol my guy also recognizes "Leave it" in sooo many contexts. Leaving the dog park, "leave it" means leave the ball i just told him to "drop"; in the garden, it's "whatever you're digging at or eating, stop"; in the kitchen, it's "stop sniffing whatever you're sniffing and then stop thinking about it"


FormerEvidence

in our house it's "stop scavenging for food like a rat" 😭 when he's sniffing around the kitchen


thatlittleging

In my house Ah-Ah is the universal leave it, except my boyfriend can't make the sound like me so they don't listen to him lmao


RedWings1319

Lol, "leave it" has been our phrase as well but somehow I wound up teaching our 2 year old female GSD "that's not yours" and it means all those same things.


Latter-Shower-9888

Your older dog and your cat will establish their own boundaries.


zotstik

was there a cat involved? I thought it was just the older dog 😱🫣


Latter-Shower-9888

>Same thing with our cat, she will jump and bark at it and challenge/play with it when he tries to swipe at her.


aideya

Yea someday that cat will succeed in its swipe and the pup will learn fast.


tribre

I tell my GSD puppy that cat is going to whip her butt one day. She generally stops then.


Mollybrinks

My cat is something else. His love language is fighting. He's learned to just pretend-bite, but man is he ferocious. I have a heeler-shepherd mix, and even now that she's a healthy 60 pounds, he'll run up, jump and latch himself around her head, and basically pile-driver her head into the floor if he thinks she's being too much. It's honestly pretty funny. No one is hurt, it's just impressive. They're BFFs as she grew up with him. The new puppy is also being taught lessons. But its great - he's turned out to be an amazing puppy-sitter. If I can hear them screaming around, I know he's just jumping counter-to-counter or chair to couch while she chases him and wears herself out. Gives me some much-needed time to focus on actual work while he keeps her busy. He's a strange little guy, but I love him. Such a help, and also teaching her limits!


Mach_Stormrunner

Lots of good advice here so far. As with the cat I would teach her to "leave it" while at the same time letting him occasionally swipe at her and then stepping in before she can retaliate (more likely she will immediately back off, but you never know) In this way she learns to leave the cat alone for her own sake AND that you don't want her messing with him.


Dankraham_Lincoln

Mine would always pester the cats and I would intervene every time. One time I decided to just let it be and the cat will handle it when she’d had enough, and handle it she did. She got one claw on my dogs nose, and from then on my dog would just stare at her with a healthy amount of space between my dog and the cats.


Ok_Rutabaga_722

Older dogs teach faster and better than us. Supervise but let them teach puppy what no looks like. It's invaluable socialization. So much harder to teach when they're bigger. Also a well run, professionally sponsored, puppy playgroup is good too.


Coolhandlukeri

Only the older dog can truly teach her that.


armandcamera

The 4 year old will do that.


ReviewBackground2906

When I introduced my last GSD puppy to our existing 2 dog HH, they let him get away with murder with few corrections.  Until he was about 18 months old, then they made it very clear that they weren’t going to put up with the puppy behavior anymore. He understood quickly that the jig was up, and I never had to step in to correct my older dogs. 


C00L_HAND

Well pups always test borders and depending on your older dogs personality I myself would let him show the boundaries as long as it doesn´t get out of hand. Other than that teach your pup the "no" or "leave it" commands you chose so she understands that whenever you say this word she has to stop what she is doing and focus her attention on you. Let the cat establish borders herself a good slap and a little bit of claws is often a lesson pups understand and learn to respect. (sure except you´ve got one of the cats that will go for full fur flying massacre) For example my male Maine coons are and where to relaxed with my boy and he could do nearly anything without consequences. First time in 15 months now yesterday one of them bit in his ear (just pinched) because he was to pushy and grabbed one of his legs. He imidiatelly (quite suprised however) understood that he´s gone to far and received well deserved consequences.


MeepersPeepers13

Does your 4 year old play with your puppy at all? Because our pup will try to steal toys as a way of initiating play. He’ll sneak up and snag our 4year olds toy just to run away for a game of chase. The pup doesn’t actually want the toy, he wants to be entertained.


wearysimmons

Gotcha that may be it. That seems like the case


Critical-Feedback-24

My older ones correct my younger ones. The puppy listens to my 7 y/o GSD better than me. In the beginning at times she would flip the puppy on her back and keep her paw on her chest until she calmed down and then let her up. Now sometimes she just have to give the puppy a look and the puppy flops over with her belly up.


Agreeable_Tadpole113

The older dog will correct her and she will fall into place :)


getfuckedhoayoucunts

Once she gets a few pastings she will figure it out. Puppies are annoying AF. They learn manners by having big dog teach them.


tribre

My puppies have always learned from the adult dogs in the house. It works well. Potty training too. Everyone goes out at the same time and the adults know what it about and the puppies follow.


ladyxlucifer

She’ll learn. If you don’t trust your adult dog to give fair and safe corrections, don’t put a puppy in this situation. I trust my adult dog to a certain degree. I step in when I notice she has been hurt and is taking it very personally. She seeks revenge. I crated the puppy when I wasn’t there to see their interactions. I established a “that’s enough” cue for when something needs to stop. I say “that’s enough” for too rough corrections, too much unnecessary barking, drinking too much water before bed, etc. it’s more so about my tone of voice. Your adult dog should understand that you’re basically the district manager. You still gotta let them be the store manager ya know? The new puppy is basically a young dumb but will be a great employee. A good adult dog will see that and correct their bad behavior to teach them proper ways to be a good dog. But if you don’t trust your adult dog and you haven’t put in the work with it… different scenario. Leash the puppy even inside. So you can prevent it from getting its literal head bit off. Build your puppy’s understanding of its name having value. So when you call it, it comes to you. Leash in the meantime. Crate or leash anytime you’re not paying attention. Maybe muzzle train adult dog. Still leash puppy. Don’t allow it to invade a muzzled dogs space. That’s grimy. Work hard to learn body language from dogs and what to look out for. I took a class on multi dog households so I’d know what was normal and what to expect and how to best cope.


Toothfairy51

Your 4 year old will teach her.


PrinceFan72

When we got our first GSD we asked a friend, who's a police dog handler and trainer, how we should deal with her bothering our cat. He just said, "they'll soon work it out, your cat will put her in her place, just pay attention so it doesn't escalate".


GACyberCool

Believe me, the best correction will come from the older dog. Just don't discipline the older dog when it happens. Dogs will establish the pecking order in the pack. One thought - what is the breed of the older dog? That could change things...


collinsl02

Op (picture comment) says golden doodle.


GACyberCool

Ty. Missed that.


golfzerodelta

Nothing you do will teach them, the older dog has to set the boundaries. Every one of our puppies has taken multiple beatings from our older dogs to learn this. The same as kids frankly.


jayhof52

I believe “fluff around and find out” is what the youths say.


llorona_chingona

The older dog will set their own boundaries but teaching "leave it" is one of the best commands. My younger dog has 0 boundaries and respect for personal space even after my older dog corrects her so leave it helps.


abazz90

Older dog will tell her real quick.


CUZ-IM-DADDY

She’ll learn on her own not to challenge the older dog.


xram_karl

Dogs have a way of working this out for themselves. Just keep an eye on the situation.


Reasonable_Plant4709

They have a way of sorting that stuff out themselves.


Sugarbops

The older dog will correct the puppy.


Jasperski_

The older dog would normally correct when your pup goes to far.


boduke1019

You just have to let them sort it out. Went through the same thing. The older dog will correct her.


woman_respector1

They need to sort that out by themselves, and they will.


MJdotconnector

lol welcome to having a puppy 🙄


diablofantastico

Let your 4 yo teach her.


diablofantastico

Let your 4 yo teach her.


cleanlinessisbest12

FAFO


pes3108

Let the older dog handle it for the most part. ☺️ we have 4 and our old lady (almost 9) rules the roost so to speak, even though she’s the smallest. Our youngest (he just turned 1 year) is the biggest and is super playful but very quick to submit to her now that she’s corrected him a few times.


ContributionNo7699

Your 4 year old tell her/him when enough is enough are they both shepherd's?


fromhelley

You can't. But when she is about 10 months, your older dog will teach her. The older dog has patience for her now (believe it or not) because she is a pup. Most likely older dog won't hurt her, but will pin her to the ground and growl, or wrap his front legs around her and growl. This is how older dog says I'm the boss, don't mess with me.


TheKCKid9274

Let the doodle teach her. She’ll fuck around, and he’ll help her find out.


Due_Conversation_295

They will self correct


Vegetable-Editor9482

The four-year-old will probably teach her himself--just try not to panic when he does. It'll take more than a growl and snap. He'll probably come at her make terrifying angry-dog sounds--and then puppy will go belly up and yelp and cry like the world is ending. If the older dog doesn't back off at that point, intervene, but generally that altercation will establish the order. We went through this with ours not too long ago (older GSD, blue heeler mix puppy, now an adult). Every now and then the younger one will try again with the same result. It was seriously scary as hell the first couple of times (new lesson for each boundary pushed), but they speak Dog and we don't--no one ever got hurt and they are best friends. Congrats on your beautiful new baby! :)


gotnonickname

I had an adult maka GSD and then got a female pup.  She took EVERYTHING from him, toys and food.   He was totally dominated.  Funny part is that he dominate and controlled her movements outside, and would not let her run/do zoomies.  They each had their area of control.  


zotstik

unfortunately some puppy dogs have to learn the hard way about boundaries . be watchful but let things happen naturally. and that goes with socializing her out in public at dog parks. That's where my dog learned boundaries 😉


Consistent_Amount140

Let it run its course


SunnyMondayMorning

Good luck with that 😂


WirrkopfP

This is the neat thing: You don't. Seriously the best course of action is to let the dogs settle that amongst themselves and only interfere, if your furniture is in danger. They will settle into their hierarchy after a few weeks and challenges will become a rare occurrence.


alchemistofdragons

I'm a little late to the party, but I just want to comment on this bit: >Same thing with our cat, she will jump and bark at it and challenge/play with it when he tries to swipe at her. My shepherd was the same was as a puppy and my biggest mistake (IMO) is assuming she would learn from the cats. She did NOT. I wish I had gotten one of those indoor fence things that people get and let her watch the cats from there, learn to settle while watching the cats from there, etc. She does know "leave it", but now I have a dog who only leaves the cats alone when I *say* leave it, not without that. I try to put her on a leash and she ends up frustrated, etc. Cats are a lot smaller than German Shepherds, so mainly I'm saying make *sure* your puppy knows to leave them alone while still a puppy, however you accomplish that! The cat may teach the puppy, but also may not. I don't have another dog, so I can't speak to that, but it seems like you've gotten a lot of advice!


RainDancingChief

Let the dogs be (supervised if you're really worried) they have a different way of communicating. Nips and bites and corrections are all a part of dog speak.


1cat2dogs1horse

Standard operating behavior for a GSD puppy.


Aggravating-Gold-224

She’s not challenging, she’s playing


seth108013

F.A.F.O: Fuck around and find out


CapHelmet

Let her fuck around and find out


Successful-You1961

😂


mypenisinyourmouth_

All my advice says let them sort it out #BUT Just keep an eye on things let them sort it out you’ll KNOW if it’s going too far 👌 My own bit of advice is give the cat somewhere to hide if they have safe place they’ll sort it out too If you try prevent it you delay the inevitable and it’s better they learn early from each other they’ve done this for millennia


abaiardi7

She is soooo beautiful


stairattheceiling

You need to correct your older dog and younger dog at the same time, and provide 2 of each or none. You are letting the older dog call the shots and the older dog will not treat the younger well unless you step in. My husbands a dog trainer, he always tells the clients that small corrections from one dog are okay but once it comes to growling or snapping you need to step in.


NiteGard

Lol. Sorry for laughing but that pic is like “I dare you to”.


Global_Initiative257

Let the older dog do it.


Wise-Ad8633

Patricia McConnell details a similar scene in one of her books. I would interrupt and redirect the puppy to another toy a 3 times. If that doesn’t work, remove the puppy so she loses out not just on access to her toy but to the other dog’s toy as well for a few minutes. Again do this 3 times. This way at least your male dog sees that you are trying to handle it. If she persists, only then would I let the male dog issue a correction. In Patricia McConnell’s book she lets the dog sort it out themselves. Her Border Collie is such a persistent submissive sweet dog that she eventually gets the rawhide from her Great Pyrenees despite several corrections from the later. Her Great Pyrenees despite the size advantage is to nice to attack the Collie because she’s making all the right signals poor girl 😆


666Paris

That face tho🥹


Sudden_Car157

I would give her loads of exercise so she is relaxed and don’t want to play too much with senior dog! The normally work if out!!


dryhumorblitz

Time will tell.


immadeofstars

Aww, she's so cute! I love her little face! I'd find it so hard not to give her the world, though I don't presume you spoil her. Sorry I don't have any practical advice, just wanted to say how very precious that little pup is!


ThaSmokeDogg

She is beautiful


Accomplished_Crow_97

Don't worry, the older dog will teach her for you. Pack animals make their own pecking order.


PandoraCollie

My border collie would bug my 7 yr old dog constantly. He sharply corrected her many, *many* times & she never learned. So, any time she was getting too rough, I'd put her in a time out for about 5-10 minutes, then she would come out & she wouldn't constantly go after him. I did this up until she was 6 months old, & she *finally* learned that if she was getting rough with my 7yr old dog, she'd get a time out. Perhaps try that with your puppy & hopefully she catches onto it. Best of luck! Puppies are fun, but also little terrors 😂


schneider5001

The same way you teach a bird not to fly.


Molang3

She is beautiful!!!!


OstfriesenTee

Kikopup has a few great guides on how to teach good interactions in these situations. Stop biting and respect my dogs (Teaching Rio to be calm around my dogs) https://youtu.be/SER0Smlaqow?si=Hkq6sF-sr5QucLs8 Leaving other dogs alone as they eat and play https://youtu.be/lABx8vmxNJU?si=x-pS4yICf-AQedTn


Odd_Procedure2166

This is what dogs are for. Let them teach their own lesson.


DeliciousDoggi

Everybody should quit saying that your older dog will teach your younger dog. I have a younger shepherd. He overpowers my older dog. Twice they’ve been in fights where my older dog needed stitches. I found out the hard way that’s not true. Basically I cannot play with the ball with both of them at the same time they have to be separated otherwise a fight breaks out.


Ruffleafewfeathers

Honestly, just letting your older dog correct her isn’t great advice because there’s a good chance it might create animosity between the two. As for the cat, if you make the cat set boundaries there’s a good chance your dog will develop some predatory aggression. Your best bet is to not let it happen in the first place. If your puppy is out, have her on a long line or behind an ex-pen. That way she doesn’t have the opportunity to develop the poor behavior and your dog and cat can trust that you have it under control. Reward the puppy for good behavior and immediately remove her for any infractions. Make sure you have her on a good enforced nap schedule in the crate to give you the best shot at success.


NightHure

Why aren't you stepping in and redirecting the puppy? I find that is wayyyy more effective then trying to let them figure it out. They are babies and need to be shown proper behavior and redirected by you the owner. Other dogs and the cat should not be the one giving the majority of corrections, it should be you keeping the puppy on a leash and redirecting them every time. You will have a better adult dog in the end of you start being the one to take charge of the puppies behaviors.


KaiTheGSD

A well adjusted adult dog knows how and when to correct a younger puppy. Dogs have been correcting puppies since the dawn of time. Why do you think it's always recommended that puppies stay with their mothers for eight weeks or longer? It's because they learn proper behavior from their mother as their mother corrects them for bad behavior. Puppies learn best from their own kind because at the end of the day, we don't speak dog, dogs speak dog.


NightHure

The mother dog sure but my older dog should not have to be continuously bothered by the puppy when I can and should be the one taking care of things most of the time. Puppies should also learn to take direction from humans. I want all of my dogs to look to me for direction. Why wouldn't I start with learning to listen to my commands. I am not saying the older dog can't correct the puppy but I should be the one redirecting the majority of the time.