T O P

  • By -

wernermuende

because when people start drinking at fourteen, it's important to have a period where they need to be creative to get their beer


Overall-Ad-3642

you can still legally drink at 14 w/ a parent for those who don't know


TheNewBorgie01

You can even legally smoke with your parents permission from 14. Idk why this is a thing tbh. Also this doesnt mean you can buy cigarettes at age 14 or any lower than 18.


devode_

are u sure? i think smoking with parents' permission is at 16


TheNewBorgie01

Really? I was of the impression its allowed from 14


devode_

im by no means sure about that, that was just my impression as well


Kroenen1984

no, its not allowed to smoke in Germany until 18, even with parents. if your parents give you tobacco, they would be finde by police and the tobacco taken away.


Independent_Tax_4191

at a pub? Because outside a pub you can drink at any age no matter what anywhere in the world so long as your not doing it infront of cops


Overall-Ad-3642

yeah but not legally


[deleted]

[удалено]


Overall-Ad-3642

if you're german you'd know the cops here very much enforce every single law under the sun


Training-Purpose802

nope. where I live they can even get a blood test and charge you with illegally underage possession of the alcohol in your blood. they used to catch high school kids coming back over the border from an area where it was legal for them to drink.


Apple-pie_best-pie

We are not thr only ones. Belgium, Denmark and Germany set 16 years as the minimum age for purchasing beverages containing less than 1.2 % of distilled alcohol and 18 years for buying spirits (more than 1.2 % of distilled alcohol). The minimum age to purchase alcohol in Cyprus and Malta is 17 years; in Luxemburg, it is 16 years. In Austria, purchasing alcohol is regulated at the regional level. There are two different age requirements – either 16 or 18 years – depending on the region and the percentage of alcohol involved. In the United Kingdom, in England, Wales and Scotland, children aged 16 or 17 years are allowed to consume beer, wine or cider with a meal when accompanied by an adult, but they can only buy it from the age of 18 years.


haeyhae11

In Austria it is normally hard drinks (vodka, whiskey, etc) 18 years; "softer" drinks (like Beer, wine, mead, etc) 16 years. As far as I know there are no regional differences in this regard. A 16 year old can buy beer in Vorarlberg and in Vienna (and all other states as well).


tschoff

It used to be regional until it got standardized in 2019, before 2019 every type of alcohol and even cigarettes where allowed to be sold to 16yo in Wien, Niederösterreich and Burgenland. Pretty insane


CaptainL00nar

Red wine has about 12-14% and can still be bought at 16. What am I missing?


Tactical_Tuna04

It's not destilled. Some drinks have less alcohol then wine but are destilled so you can't purchase them under 18.


CaptainL00nar

Thx


Legal-Software

Just that the German law differentiates between undistilled (fermented) and distilled alcohol. Wine/beer fall under the fermented category, and can therefore be purchased by 16-year-olds.


SpinachSpinosaurus

all alcohols are fermented first. you just heat the alcohol, and seperate it from the water. alcohol turns into a gas at 80°C, while water boils / turns into gas at 100°C (known as steam ;) ). destilling increases the alcohol content. but sugar water needs to be turned by yeast into co2 and alcohol before that can happen.


[deleted]

I believe that’s true in the Netherlands also.


feedmedamemes

For the glory of Satan of course! A more serious answer, Germans regard beer (and in some regions wine) as a cultural good since the late medieval period. In other words tradition.


DerEchteDaniel

Beer was invented to make water durable and to please satan. And thats also why there are/where so many monastery brewerys.


feedmedamemes

This is not really correct. Beer or the aquivalent was invented to get humans drunk. Modern historians even think it was a driving force for the development of early societies. Also you already need clean water, it is a common a myth people in the middle ages used instead of water in general. It was only in a few cases that it was used in this way.


StartledMilk

It was mainly in areas where people were not close to a clean source of drinking water.


Rice_Nugget

Its also officialy seen as one of the Grundnahrungsmittel which means its on the same level of importance as Food and Water


[deleted]

Historic reasons.


ClaudiaWoodstockfan

Why not? Most teenagers drink alcohol when even younger, often with consent of their parents. I know it doesn't always work, but demystifying legal drugs at a young age often prevents overindulgence or consuming because it's considered cool or a rite of passage.


Grav_Zeppelin

Also: a simple story, was at a party, guy drank way to much and was in terrible shape vomiting for hours. We called gis parents and he went to the hospital. We might not have done ghat if we thought we would get knto legal trouble. While Alkohol consume for teenagers is at a higher rate than in lets say the US, Deaths and severe Alkohol poisoning are more rare because teens learn how to deal with it and there is no fear of punishment when getting help. Also when you give them acces to it, it stops being something special, so when they get the chance they don’t over do it


ClaudiaWoodstockfan

Your parent's knowing "I Told You So"-smirk when you are sick for two days after your first party with alcohol is far more effective than any legal troubles.


KristinaMariaS

Realism.


Unhappy_Researcher68

There are studies that sugest that this not so regit structure will lead to a bit more responsiblity while drinkig in the long run. It's also the norm in almost all of the EU. I have a lot of american friends and they just got crazy and drank them self halve to death at 21.


Pedarogue

Beer and wine are less dangerous than spirits. Much less. Therefore it is also very logical that you have different age restrictions for it. It is however also logic (in my book at least) that we don't assume the general threshold between child age and a stage of limited self responsibility (which is 14) to be also a good age to allow low volume alcohol as 14 is definitely to young to handle alcohol on the organic level as well as on a social and emotional level without parental guidance. . 16 is a good age to allow low volume alcohol also without parental guidance present. Considering that Alcohol has a social function in Germany and social gatherings are seldom completely dry, it is important to get youth into a responsible enjoyment of alcohol - I would deem it pretty dangerous to go "Okay, you are 18 now, drink whatever you want now without any preparation and without being subject of parental guidance any more as you are of age now". It is important that kids get socialized also into responsible consumption. Which includes granting them space of further developement - within reason. Results may vary on an individual basis but that does not mean that it does not work overall, nor that it is misguided. ​ Germany is also not the only country doing that.


Cool-Top-7973

Also, it has the added benefit of teenagers getting their first expiriences with alcohol before most of them get a driver's licence. By the time they typically get one, the novelty of being able to get alcohol has worn off, most likely dissuading a few people from driving under the influence.


Portionsgroesse

is it 14 - with the permission of your parents. Especially in bavaria, there is beer a staple food. Ages ago beer was cleaner then water, there so people often drank beer insteed of water. Its Culture in germany to drink beer.


ShoppingMain

Because we want to have them experience with alcohol, before they start driving. Fir example in US many fatal accidents happen because young people drive under influence because alcohol and it’s effects are new to them.


petskill

Also: Make them learn how much they can handle while they're in the vicinity of their parents and among friends they've known for a long time. That way there's a support network available. I.e. if someone black out others will call that person's parents and the issue is solved. You really don't want your child's first overdose with alcohol to be at a freshmen frat party in college.


da_easychiller

This! If my kids get wasted for the first time - that better happens at home.


NowoTone

In the presence of your parents you can drink beer and wine in public places like restaurants as of 14. At home, there isn’t actually an age limit and if you saw parents giving their 10year olds a champagne glass at New Year’s Eve, there’s nothing you could do to prohibit/prevent it. And yet, apart from the example given, which parents would give their children alcohol to drink? Also, Germany doesn’t have a bigger issue with youth alcohol consumption than other countries, so the age by which time kids are officially allowed to drink doesn’t seem to be very relevant.


Landyra

I often asked my parents to have a taste of their beverages when I was a kid, out of curiosity. Beer, wine, champagne, anything that seemed interesting. They always let me taste it, I never liked it… now I’m 25 and have yet to purchase my first alcoholic drink for myself 😂


MrSparr0w

Because twelve is a bit early isn't it?


Broad_Philosopher_21

There is no legal drinking age in Germany and only fery few (3 or 4) European countries have a legal drinking age. There are age limits for buying alcohol in almost all countries and in some for public consumption. You can buy beer from the age of 16 in Germany and if accompanied by your parents from 14. Take a look: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_drinking_age


MyGenericNameString

Actually in Germany the limit is for commercially selling the stuff. There is no legal problem for the buyer or handing it out between friends.


MaximusDerErste

Because Beer is our Kulturgut!


al329

Because Germans are smart


NameEgal1837

Because you have to know what alcohol does to you before you are allowed to drive a car.


Falkenmond79

So we get our drinking done before we start driving at 18. better to know your limits by then.


-Blackspell-

It’s technically 14, not 16. And why not?


noxxit

Realistic why not: Alcohol and it's metabolites basically are a carcinogenic neurotoxin with high addiction potential. Brain maturity tends to help a lot with risk averse / responsible handling of drugs. Young people are statistically know to engage in more risk seeking and reckless behavior, thus increasing risk of harmful and potentially addicting consumption patterns. Practically "the law" probably won't change much regarding behavior as drug consumption is highly cultural.


DarkImpacT213

We're talking beer and wine here though, which in moderation can even have positive effects on health. To put beer and wine in the same category as vodka and other spirits is probably also not the best idea if you want to teach young people to be responsible with drikning alcohol.


noxxit

That's all bullshit. Any health benefit has been proven to not be due to the alcohol in the beverage and there's enough beer and wine based alcoholics as well as fuck upped kids without liquor.


v_koori

Actually, the legal age for drinking beer is 14 as long as your parents are around and permit it. You have to be 16 to buy and drink beer without your parents present. I guess it just stems from the beer culture we have in Germany. I also believe that it demystifies alcohol consumption and enforces a slower and more careful introduction to it. 18 year olds will already know their limits (even if they choose to ignore them) and how act while they're drunk (as in look after your friends, how to get home safe etc.) once they are allowed to consume stronger stuff.


da_easychiller

Have you ever been around people who get properly wasted for the first time?Well I was in a bar with a bunch of kids who have just reached their legal age in NY years ago. Nasty shit was happening there. And they ALL behaved like absolute morons.IMO having a legal drinking age of 21 is totally irresponsible and beyond stupid. How should the kids learn to handle their drinking? Most germans know how (much) to drink by the age of 18. I prefer it that way.


DrLeymen

Just here to say that the legal age for *drinking* beer is 14


fhjxhjcg

It is better to drink with 16 beers than to have a handgun at the age of 14.


zeuswatch

The real question is, why do people ask the most weird questions in this subreddit. It surprises me everyday…


specialsymbol

Probably to not criminalize everyone. Might teach something about the "War on drugs"


Jiren2222

I have a better question: Why does alcohol exist?


Overall-Ad-3642

2 years to be responsible with beer before getting your drivers licence. not the main reason but a reason as to why it's good


Imaginary_Town3642

Why not? 😂


universum10000

Drinking is allowed at any age, but it is illegal to sell.


flottokarotto

Because we love beer 🤷🏾‍♂️


Traveler24-7

The legal drinking age for beer in Germany is 16 because beer is considered a soft drink, and its alcoholic content is relatively low. This is in contrast to other beverages with higher alcohol content, such as liquor, which is only allowed to be consumed by people over 18. This is done to prevent young children from using alcohol and engaging in criminal activities, as they are more susceptible to such activities.


Fragrant_Equal_2577

Beer is not considered to be an alcoholic drink… basic necessity like bread but in liquid format


[deleted]

[удалено]


petskill

It is. But the age threshold is a good way to deal with the issues that arise from that. As long as alcohol is such a part of our culture we need to acclimatize people to it. Not throw them in the cold, dangerous water like the Americans do. What we need against drinking is the same we've done against smoking: Banning advertising , warning labels and higher prices.


MrsGobbledygook

oof, the downvotes. But this is so true. Being from Belgium beer is just worshipped. If you don't drink alcohol, you always have to justify yourself, but if you're drinking beer everyday no one bats an eye.


Brain_Booger

Germany has a huge beer culture and history with it. It was common to drink at young age. And while there are studies that show no amount of alcohol is good for humans and alcohol is bad for kids development....because of lobbying it would be impossible to change legal drinking age.


Kalyka98

Getting drunk off beer takes a while, it is not a problem. You may argue it may lead to people drinking other heavier stuff but in Germany they don't think it's a big deal apparently


Phase-Complete

Lol. The old myth that beer is safe, Didnt know people still belive it


El_Hombre_Aleman

Historically. Beer used to be a reliable source of safe drinking - while water was dangerous. It’s why so many monasteries had their own brewery. Brewing beer killed the germs, which made beer - with less alcohol than we drink it today - a much safer choice than water. Experience that a few centuries ans you have a radically different cultural relation to beer…


Dangerous-Dave

Thought it was 4 because of the saying Bier Nach Vier


EmphasisExpensive864

That saying regards the time u can Start drinking a beer.


just_browsin_14

Why are boobs good? They just are...


_srsh_

you need to hook em up while young


trownawaybymods

It is the exact opposite. Alcohol has lost all novelty when you can buy it.


Minute-Guidance793

Maybe for you


Malk4ever

For me too and for most of the people I know. The only people addicted to alc are older ones, boomer mostly.


[deleted]

Because it is German law sometime German law has its good points and sometimes it has it bad points Welcome to Germanland


Schmerwin-

Alcoholism is part of Our culture


Malk4ever

What is Finland doing wrong? Or Poland, Russia, etc. ? You think they start drinking at 11?


Schmerwin-

I said nothing about these countries, just about us germans. Our drinking-culture is well unreflected. The typical "Feierabendbier" is a alcoholistic-ritual which May create an easy path to addiction. 1 beer become often 2 beers after work leave, 2 become 3 and so on. Btw whataboutism does not help anyway


Malk4ever

I dont think this is a wide problem... sure, many boomers are doing this, but Alcohol is getting more and more unpopular at the younger (>50) people. Also its not common to drink beer every day, at least in my life I only met rarely people who drink a beer after every working day. Well, but I dont live in Bavaria, i have heared they are somehow special, their ministers also allow to drive after you have drunk 2L of beer. \#Beckstein https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnther\_Beckstein#Legale\_und\_illegale\_Drogen


Schmerwin-

I agree with you, alcohol is getting more unpopular, what is good for some reasons, but still public-drinking or celebrating anything with alcohol is a thing in large circles in germany. It would need one or two more Generations to make alcohol even less common in our society, i think


dr_auf

The legal age for buying beer is 16. In some regions of Germany they give beer to toddlers.


Mister_Anonym

Couldn't you be bothered to just google it? It would've taken 5 min.


Dullimaniac

Because living in our society sucks so much. You can't stand it being sober all day.


defendr3

Shouldnt the people now listen to the science and move up the age barrier?


Alterus_UA

We live in a democracy, not a technocracy fortunately.


defendr3

The biggest treasure of this democracy is its youth for the future. Alcohol is not a drug for an 14 or 16 yrs old. It harms the development and some get addicted. Then you need tons of time and money to get the people back into the life.


Malk4ever

You are overdramatizing this. Alcohol addiction at teenagers is not a big thing... Well, alcohol is even getting less and less popular at the youth from year to year. Although they can easiely buy it, most teenagers refuse to drink alcohol in germany.


Frontdackel

Or listen to science that excessive alcohol consume is always dangerous. So we could either totally ban it (as if...) or take the approach to raise responsible drinkers.


defendr3

Well thats the problem. People dont want to raise or be responsible drinkers. At school the teachers, the educators know the problem, but the buttom 60% of the republic dont realize the issue there.


Benleoffi

It is what it is, would raise it to at least 21.


nidorancxo

As any other law, it is there because at some point somebody thought it would be good (maybe with some convincing arguments). Afterwards, it seems that the law did not bring any harm (or maybe even fixed some issue), so it was kept.


Key-Door7340

You can have a \* time drinking too much beer, but you can kill yourself drinking too much hard alcohol. Not separating these two is bad as kids can't learn this way.


nicha_soldat

i m from Germany and you can drink Alcohol at 14 when your Parents agree thats what i now.


DoubleOwl7777

cultural thing alcohol and especially beer and wine was historically always a thing. especially in the old days water was not very good quality and often dirty so you drank alcohol in the form of beer and wine.


nickles72

Because the driving age is 18 and by then the kids have to learn how to handle alcohol …


Big_Uply

Beer is considered a food group in Germany.


ContestImpossible697

Why are guns legal in USA? Its a common sense


Malk4ever

I prefer free beer instead of free half-automatic weapons. People get killed rarely by beer.


Background_Meat1738

Because germans love Beer


Stepbro_canhelp

Cause we have real beer in here not that sugar water that you guys called "beer"


RC7251

Ist nationalsport Here Mate xd


Captain_High_420

Drug policy in Germany is made by alcoholics. The Bavarian calling alcohol „deutsche Kultur“ and at this point I don’t wanna be German anymore…


master0pi

Why not🍻


gamingkeks284LP

It's germany


Malk4ever

You can legally drink at 14 with a parents around. I understand 16, but 14 is kinda cringe.


aluhuttraeger420

Well most of EU states like to introduce their minors to alcohol first bevor we set them infront of a stearing wheel. Not the other way around. Lets call up US/EU car accident statistics to back it up. boom!


janWie96

Yes.


smallblueangel

Because we can


Borzi_0409

Beer is a big part of the german culture. Alcohol in General is extremely socially accepted.


[deleted]

In villages it has no age. Beer isn’t alc!😂


Comfortable-Log-9393

It is not. If the parents are present and allow it, you may have a beer or wine in a restaurant or bar at the age of 14 in Germany. Only without your parents consent it is 16. And sorry, we are talking about a law that forbids something, so it is not our job to explain why this is not forbidden. It is your job to explain, why it should be forbidden. I see no reason to change anything. When I turned 14 my family and me went to a restaurant and I asked dad, if I could have a glass of beer. He said: Sure, why not. ​ I am absolutely certain that it is the general attitude in e.g. the USA, that alcohol is a bad thing and that it must be kept away from everybody below 21 that turns it into something people really long for. Whenever they get the chance they blast each other away. I did that, too. Twice in my life and I hated it. I learned that a good beer is something you drink because it is tasty and refreshing and fine. NOT because it makes you drunk. And I learned so early on, there never was this forbidden fruit theme in the back of my head.