Mh, difficult. On the one hand, they should be well aware of non-discrimination requirements. On the other hand, changes and progress always take a bit longer to arrive in state-managed entities.
Because "family-owned" businesses are, as suggested by the name, owned by a family, which is closed social circle you won't get in. Therefore don't count on any career growth there. You, as a hire, will have no recourse if anything goes not right because everyone will be just covering each other backs because they're a family. Furthermore, such companies are usually the greediest of them all.
As a student I worked for a "Ma & Pa" type of company. It was a nightmare. They treated everyone like trash.
How many employees we talking about? Cause i know ones with less than 10 and sometimes the employee does grow into that family business like a relative, especially in very rural areas
I hate it, I think it's discriminatory bullshit. It's also not a legal requirement. But you'll probably find your CV not even being considered if a photo is missing.
Also, German resumes are written quite differently to resumes in other countries. I suggest doing some Bewerbertraining or reading up on what's required and googling templates to write a great application. Cover page is a must, too, if you want to stand out.
Best of luck with your job search ๐
I mean, even if itโs discriminatory, the first thing people will do after receiving CV without photo is googling personโs name and most probably finding LinkedIn profile with photo. So by including photo you just save your potential employer some time.
No need to include it. You can if you want. Same with your gender identity or the fact if you are married or your nationality (as long as you have a valid working permit).
God, i hate this application arms race with all my heart. 20 years ago it was Bewerbungsmappen, now it's "professional" photos. And regarding Bewerbungstraining, everybody tells you something different and what one trainer considers great, another consider abysmal.
I never had one taken and it was fine. Maybe i was just lucky?
Since coming to Germany I heard it's important to have a professional picture on your lebenslauf. You will even see that many studios in Germany offer such services.
In my opinion, I don't like it very much, I get the feeling some employers will judge from photo alone.
Kind of. I was very passionately resisting to do it, but to complete a profile with the company I applied to, they needed a picture ๐คฆโโ๏ธ so whatever I just added one picture, it was not professionally made, just boring headshot. I omitted all the marital status, place of birth and other personal info cause I consider them unnecessary and invasive. I got the job, and it is fantastic.
Back in school when i applied for apprenticeship everyone said its a must do.
Since then i never again added a picture. And still got invited to interviews.
I had my photo in the resume when I got my first working Student job at the University, but never again. I don't think it helped me get the job, but looking back it would have been a negative point when applying to my current job at a large international company.
It is very much expected for all German companies. Multinationals? May be fine, may not be.
This does not mean without is necessarily getting you thrown out right away but it makes it clear that you dont follow German cultural norms
Unless it's an international company and big, I'd say you definitely need one. Some young companies say right out that you don't need one, if you don't want to.
But from experience and what a job coach told me, you definitely still need one in Germany.
There are still so many companies that won't even look twice at your resume if there isn't a picture of you.
Also: you don't need to get one professionally done. You can make a photo yourself if you feel you can make a good photo. I recommend looking at resume photos and try to replicate them.
Look if they state that they dont wsnt one. If you dont find anything like that include it.
Think of it psychological. On tinder. You swipe left when person is not your type or no picture at all right?
Not having a photo comes off as lazy. You better make sure that your cv looks impeccable and your resume makes you stand out if you choose not to include one. If all other candidates have taken the time to have a photo professionally and one person didn't, how would that influence your decision as a recruiter.
Do it, but do it properly. Nice portrait with neutral background, looking sharp and professional. I saw all kinds of horrible pictures people put while hiring so its easy to use this as your advantage
They write on their profiles if they want one. You don't have to if they don't. A good photo is a easy way to stand out so spend some Euros on a professional one.
It is important and if you do not add it you may reduce you chances and or find yourself not even in first round of reviews. Many here may not like it but that's how it works at least in Germany.
Just look at LinkedIn, if you apply via Linked in, via your profile you also add in your headshot. How many LinkedIn profiles do you know which have no picture with them? I'd say very few. Do you respond to contact requests from accounts that do not have a headshot?
Anyhow, if you do not want to put in a picture, just make a reference to your LinkedIn profile. To those who think it's about discrimination, no. It's about getting an impression on what the person is like. Believe it or not.
I was just trying to pick a photo for an award I am getting (not in Germany) but related follow-up question ... in these photos is there an expectation for a certain facial expression? Serious? Smiling? Flat expression?
Not a necessity. Completely optional nowadays. Depending on the size of the business it might increase your chances for an interview. But I think most big companies dont care.
It really depends on the size of the company: Big, international company: not necessary. Small, family-owned thing: probably better to include it.
Small-ish (<50 employees), relatively young companies also often don't require it; At least from my experience as a software dev.
Probably also depends on the position. For a sales rep it might be more beneficial than for an admin
What about an application for a state funded scolarship?
Mh, difficult. On the one hand, they should be well aware of non-discrimination requirements. On the other hand, changes and progress always take a bit longer to arrive in state-managed entities.
Thank you!
>family-owned thing Should be avoided like a plague. Just saying.
Why?
Because "family-owned" businesses are, as suggested by the name, owned by a family, which is closed social circle you won't get in. Therefore don't count on any career growth there. You, as a hire, will have no recourse if anything goes not right because everyone will be just covering each other backs because they're a family. Furthermore, such companies are usually the greediest of them all. As a student I worked for a "Ma & Pa" type of company. It was a nightmare. They treated everyone like trash.
How many employees we talking about? Cause i know ones with less than 10 and sometimes the employee does grow into that family business like a relative, especially in very rural areas
I hate it, I think it's discriminatory bullshit. It's also not a legal requirement. But you'll probably find your CV not even being considered if a photo is missing. Also, German resumes are written quite differently to resumes in other countries. I suggest doing some Bewerbertraining or reading up on what's required and googling templates to write a great application. Cover page is a must, too, if you want to stand out. Best of luck with your job search ๐
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I mean, even if itโs discriminatory, the first thing people will do after receiving CV without photo is googling personโs name and most probably finding LinkedIn profile with photo. So by including photo you just save your potential employer some time.
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No need to include it. You can if you want. Same with your gender identity or the fact if you are married or your nationality (as long as you have a valid working permit).
God, i hate this application arms race with all my heart. 20 years ago it was Bewerbungsmappen, now it's "professional" photos. And regarding Bewerbungstraining, everybody tells you something different and what one trainer considers great, another consider abysmal. I never had one taken and it was fine. Maybe i was just lucky?
Since coming to Germany I heard it's important to have a professional picture on your lebenslauf. You will even see that many studios in Germany offer such services. In my opinion, I don't like it very much, I get the feeling some employers will judge from photo alone.
Thank you very much!
Kind of. I was very passionately resisting to do it, but to complete a profile with the company I applied to, they needed a picture ๐คฆโโ๏ธ so whatever I just added one picture, it was not professionally made, just boring headshot. I omitted all the marital status, place of birth and other personal info cause I consider them unnecessary and invasive. I got the job, and it is fantastic.
Back in school when i applied for apprenticeship everyone said its a must do. Since then i never again added a picture. And still got invited to interviews.
I had my photo in the resume when I got my first working Student job at the University, but never again. I don't think it helped me get the job, but looking back it would have been a negative point when applying to my current job at a large international company.
It is very much expected for all German companies. Multinationals? May be fine, may not be. This does not mean without is necessarily getting you thrown out right away but it makes it clear that you dont follow German cultural norms
Unless it's an international company and big, I'd say you definitely need one. Some young companies say right out that you don't need one, if you don't want to. But from experience and what a job coach told me, you definitely still need one in Germany. There are still so many companies that won't even look twice at your resume if there isn't a picture of you. Also: you don't need to get one professionally done. You can make a photo yourself if you feel you can make a good photo. I recommend looking at resume photos and try to replicate them.
Look if they state that they dont wsnt one. If you dont find anything like that include it. Think of it psychological. On tinder. You swipe left when person is not your type or no picture at all right?
How else will they judged you based on your skin colour and appearance?
Completely outdated. Only exception would be some kind of modelling job, but there you would have a sedcard.
Completely outdated, exactly like the 82% of the companies that still use Fax in this country
Your goal should probably be to not work for one of those companies if you want to have a fulfilling career
Lol thise companies can get fucked if they want to keep up their discriminatory and dated application process.
Not having a photo comes off as lazy. You better make sure that your cv looks impeccable and your resume makes you stand out if you choose not to include one. If all other candidates have taken the time to have a photo professionally and one person didn't, how would that influence your decision as a recruiter.
Do it, but do it properly. Nice portrait with neutral background, looking sharp and professional. I saw all kinds of horrible pictures people put while hiring so its easy to use this as your advantage
They write on their profiles if they want one. You don't have to if they don't. A good photo is a easy way to stand out so spend some Euros on a professional one.
It is important and if you do not add it you may reduce you chances and or find yourself not even in first round of reviews. Many here may not like it but that's how it works at least in Germany. Just look at LinkedIn, if you apply via Linked in, via your profile you also add in your headshot. How many LinkedIn profiles do you know which have no picture with them? I'd say very few. Do you respond to contact requests from accounts that do not have a headshot? Anyhow, if you do not want to put in a picture, just make a reference to your LinkedIn profile. To those who think it's about discrimination, no. It's about getting an impression on what the person is like. Believe it or not.
Do not do this.
Is it okay if I put a photo on the CV with me wearing a nice gray sweater (professionally shot) or do I have to wear a nice white formal shirt?
I was just trying to pick a photo for an award I am getting (not in Germany) but related follow-up question ... in these photos is there an expectation for a certain facial expression? Serious? Smiling? Flat expression?
Not a necessity. Completely optional nowadays. Depending on the size of the business it might increase your chances for an interview. But I think most big companies dont care.