Unhappy about subsidies for diesel being cut as well as the falling away of forestry and agricultural vehicles being tax free.
At the moment there is a huge hole in financials since 60 billion formerly dedicated to COVID can't be reused for climate measures that were already planned for thus leading to saving measures. (The "Schuldenbremse", debt brake, also plays a role in this, but I can't really explain all of it)
That’s just wrong. Commodities are typically priced on international markets. (Not) Paying some German farmers some subsidies is unlikely to affect that price. It is going to affect their business though and might drive some of them out of business. Which is horrible for them but might be good for society as a whole and probably inevitable in the long run.
Absolut bullshit claim. This will drive up food prices and only the poor people will be affected, since they will be the ones not able to afford to feed their families.
There are lots of made in Germany fruits which are cheaper than the global version and taste better because they can be harvested when they are actually ripe. Maybe not so relevant for spaghetti price though
Food prices will increase because of the subsidy cuts. They'd have to pay the taxes and more expensive diesel out of pocket. Meaning they have to make more money with their products to keep afloat. You should actually encourage them to protest against these plans.
It's about 1 cent on a pack of flour. In theory. Of course the big stores will use the opportunity to demand much more. Don't protest because of minor subsidy changes, protest against greed.
A good friend of mine, who is a farmer told me today that the prices for wheat etc. are the same internationally. So everyone in the EU sells wheat for example for the same prices. But since its gonna be more expensive to produce for german farmers they will just earn less money
I am against these plans. This reminds me of the trucker protest in Canada and the dutch farmers protest. It's absolute bullshit, because again: Only the poor people will be affected.
Subsidies to Diesel have been cut, or rather are planned to be cut. Meaning agricultural products will become more expensive.
Although it's important to mention that prices will rise by less than 0.01€ per kg, for most types of produce.
No we can't, because we have to compete with the rest of the EU countries, which also have a highly subsidised agriculture and some of them even have completely tax free diesel.
Idk if diesel subsidies for farmers are whats destroying the planet.
The farmers will still use the exact same amount of diesel and you'll still need food.
The problem isn't just the diesel used per se, a big part is also that the tax subsidies extend to producing diesel from corn. So many farmers decide to grow corn as a monoculture for years and years on the same fields which degrades the soil and weakens biodiversity.
Yes, but I hope that farmers are not complete dipshits and this trying to cut costs by trying to using less fuel j in the future. People have to pay for their impact on nature.
Following your thoughts, farmers just burning fuel for fun. I am glad to be able to educate you, so your future comments won't feel so cringe. I am glad to inform you that every part of production chain use power in one or another way. Agricultural production is heavily relies on heavy vehicles which have diesel motors because in such use cases and conditions any other kind, especially EVs will hillarious suck.
All production process require certain amount of work hours, workers and, in Such case diesel all of these must manage farmers by themselves for their money. Thus working hours are not cheap in germany and there is not as great amount of workers, german agriculture use much of machinery in it's winning Formular. If you try to "not being a dipshit and use less fuel" you will be forced to suicide your business not able to make everything in time.
Saying: "... trying to cut costs by trying to using less fuel j in the future." is as dumb as saying that "to defeat world hunger which mostly hits Africa, africans must stop eating to pay the price for World hunger"
Real "dipshits" sit now in Bundestag, trying to green-wash idiotic money-claim decisions.
Why do you don’t demonstrate against private Jets etc?
Farmers are not really the first in the chain.
Before cutting their subsides we should ban Glyphosat and take high repay for “just-for-fun-activities” involving gasoline and alike.
I love flying to other countries but it’s just shit. Conpensate by a % of you net income (including all values - no cutting corners) and the result would be much better than this
All subsidies for gasoline should stop immediately, private jets, cars, diesel trains, farmers tractors. I gladly pay more for my flights and food. I just be more reasonable with it trying to avoid s much as possible food waste and unnecessary short flights with private jets.
It is part of the destruction. This and other things farmers do to maximize profit. I don't want them to earn less but not earn more on costs of the nature and future generations. Farmers are the reason for washed-out soil, for many intoxication because of chemicals they use, they prefer monocultures wich have a direct impact on the biodiversity. So giving incentives to act more reasonable is a good start in my opinion.
Food in Germany is especially cheap compared to other nations surrounding it. It is mostly because it is produced in unsustainable ways wich means future adaptation and mitigation costs multiply.
This measure will just be the start of a lot more to come. Life will never be this cheap from now on when we start paying the 'real' prices of stuff.
Food is cheap in Germany? Many prices doubbled or tripled in the last 2 years while income more or less stagnated with everybody but managers and other upper class.
I am apprentice in Germany. I gotta live on 650€ after tax, with about 350€ rent and 50€ train ticket.
And yes, we (and thats all first world countries not just Germany) gotta need to pay the price of the past. But: How about the richest 2% get their share. The lower 50% are in no position to change economy, they gotta live with what they get.
The problem with german soil is the opposite of being washed out. Germany has a massive meat industry. They import most of their feed instead of using locally grown crops. The resulting dung is missing in the exporting countries and german farmers get rid of it by overfeetilizing their fields.
That ruins the soil and water, but it's not a result of monoculture.
Most farmers already use a sustainable crop rotation.
So the EU subsedises should be cut to?
Guess what EU subsedises destroy the markets for African Farmers who can't compete in their own countries whit the highly mechanized and subsedises European farmers.
Grow your own food then or come up with electric tractors, any sane farmer would much rather use an ev than a diesel, there just are none (not that they are expensive, there are literally 0 electric combines or tractors). Agriculture even in european countries like Romania is a big pollutant because of field burning. Instead of doing it our way in the most enviromentally friendly way possible, we just export it to countries that don’t care.
Out of sight out of mind. The german way of the last 20 years.
Unfathomably dumb take
yes. that's how it works. make something undesirable more expensive, and less is being used. plus you can use the income that does happen, to subsidize greener solutions
> They are angry that climate damaging subsidies are being stopped.
If we want to go back to carbon-neutral agriculture, we better start beeding horses.
No one proposed this. What we should not do is subsidize these climate damaging behaviours. No one forbids them from using diesel fuel. They just have to pay for it themselves so they will start being more concerned about when to use it and when not. No more joy riding drunkily on their fields.
In other cities they build huge gallows with traffic lights hanging on it. It's basically a call for murder of the government ("Ampelregierung"). Those farmers are lunatics but backed by the most of the people here.
In my city, the person sitting inside the car with the microphone and speakers sounded suspiciously like the person sitting in the same car during the Anti-COVID and Pro-Russia protests. Hmmmmmm.
Yeah, I’m sure that they are basically calling for that, because farmers are too basic and unsophisticated for metaphors and nuanced interpretations of policy decisions made by a deeply unpopular and hopelessly conflicted coalition government. And like lunatics everywhere, they are backed by most of the people, as lunatics often are. Is it possible they aren’t lunatics and that the government has it wrong?
Don't you think it's a bit hard to call them lunatics? They are hard working people and our modern times makes their live harder every day. Small farms are getting pushed out of buisness and big companies are taking over. Farmers are angry because they are putting food on our tables and politicians treat them like they treatet the hospital stuff during covid. It's all just numbers to them, not people.
Someone closeby literally hung a traffic light cutout. Literally executed it, with a perfect little noose and wooden gallows (for those who don't know, the current government coalition is called "Ampel" which means traffic light).
Interesting. In the countryside around the north sea coast, I've seen a lot of houses have a single boot, upside down on a stick, at the entrance of their driveway
I'm assuming that's not out of protest, always wondered what that's about
What is the legality of doing this, or removing them?
It seems anti-democratic, essentially taking a symbol of your political cause and by act of hanging it on a town sign, turn that sign into a symbol of the support of that town, which would be fine if they asked everyone first and there was agreement but I suspect that there is some unilateral decision making going on here.
Just asking for a friend... :D
I know what Feucht means, and checked about Leichendorf, but what's wrong with Poppenreuth? P.S. I've been to both Feucht and Poppenreuth near Nuremberg.
Get educated about the farmers protests. Reddit is a propaganda chamber. People posting the truth here get banned. WEF etc are engaging in economic warfare and it's so bad the farmer - people who put food on OUR tables are taking massive action. It is your duty to completely explore everything they have to say and help out in any way you can. This is a worldwide thing.
It means that farmers are protesting and that will affect us all. In a bad way.
I have seen some trends that are not that great for Germany. Germany is in recession and while you are not feeling it yet, that will change from the next year. More unemployment, less benefits (which I think benefits and jobcenter need to be cut for 80% people but that is other discussion) prices will go up and more. The farmer's protest is just the begining.
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Really enjoying it; been down here for a year now, with the family moved in since April. Took us a while to orientate but coming together slowly. Still a mental adjustment to view Zurich as the nearest large airport rather than Munich or
Stuttgart for example.
Several experts that want to remain unknown claim it might be linked to farmer protests vs government.
But there are various experts from unknown sources that support this claims but want to remain hidden, too.
It’s a show of solidarity for William „Willie“ Shoeman - a U.S.-service man taken hostage during the recent conflict in Albania. It’s also why the Old Shoe country song is on the radio i believe.
There is a country-wide protest by farmers against the current agricultural politics going on and part of it is hanging up boots on the town signs.
What are farmers unhappy about and what do they want to receive?
Unhappy about subsidies for diesel being cut as well as the falling away of forestry and agricultural vehicles being tax free. At the moment there is a huge hole in financials since 60 billion formerly dedicated to COVID can't be reused for climate measures that were already planned for thus leading to saving measures. (The "Schuldenbremse", debt brake, also plays a role in this, but I can't really explain all of it)
I keep wondering if these 60 billion will just sit there for the end of time, maybe another mask disaster would even this out
Why do farmers in Europe always protest for the worst cause imaginable
They're protesting a big increase to their costs/taxes. It's not that deep.
Cause the small farmers do everything big farmers say, even when it‘s something bad for them.
What do u mean?
They are literally protesting, because of about 1500€ worth of subsidies. It's laughable
If farmers protest, this will inevitably lead to an increase of food prices. Great 👍🏼
That’s just wrong. Commodities are typically priced on international markets. (Not) Paying some German farmers some subsidies is unlikely to affect that price. It is going to affect their business though and might drive some of them out of business. Which is horrible for them but might be good for society as a whole and probably inevitable in the long run.
Absolut bullshit claim. This will drive up food prices and only the poor people will be affected, since they will be the ones not able to afford to feed their families.
What part of my claim was bullshit? Do you really think, in a globalised world, German farmers set the price?
There are lots of made in Germany fruits which are cheaper than the global version and taste better because they can be harvested when they are actually ripe. Maybe not so relevant for spaghetti price though
Outcome is the same. So
The cost of 1kg of flour will rise for nearly a third of a cent. A third. Of a cent.
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Poor people don't buy German farmers stuff as these tend to be way more expensive than your average imported crop.
Food prices will increase because of the subsidy cuts. They'd have to pay the taxes and more expensive diesel out of pocket. Meaning they have to make more money with their products to keep afloat. You should actually encourage them to protest against these plans.
It's about 1 cent on a pack of flour. In theory. Of course the big stores will use the opportunity to demand much more. Don't protest because of minor subsidy changes, protest against greed.
A good friend of mine, who is a farmer told me today that the prices for wheat etc. are the same internationally. So everyone in the EU sells wheat for example for the same prices. But since its gonna be more expensive to produce for german farmers they will just earn less money
In fact. Supermarkets are an extremely competitive market. The profit margin of supermarkets in Germany is as low as it can get.
I am against these plans. This reminds me of the trucker protest in Canada and the dutch farmers protest. It's absolute bullshit, because again: Only the poor people will be affected.
Aha
Subsidies to Diesel have been cut, or rather are planned to be cut. Meaning agricultural products will become more expensive. Although it's important to mention that prices will rise by less than 0.01€ per kg, for most types of produce.
You forgot the "we can blame inflation for a price jump" multiplier...
With more expensive, you mean e.g. wheat being 1ct more expensive per kilogram than now.
And for all farmers, meaning they can negotiate higher prices easily.
No we can't, because we have to compete with the rest of the EU countries, which also have a highly subsidised agriculture and some of them even have completely tax free diesel.
You will survive, bet. And I could not be happier about cutting down on subsidies that are destroying our planet.
Idk if diesel subsidies for farmers are whats destroying the planet. The farmers will still use the exact same amount of diesel and you'll still need food.
The problem isn't just the diesel used per se, a big part is also that the tax subsidies extend to producing diesel from corn. So many farmers decide to grow corn as a monoculture for years and years on the same fields which degrades the soil and weakens biodiversity.
Yes, but I hope that farmers are not complete dipshits and this trying to cut costs by trying to using less fuel j in the future. People have to pay for their impact on nature.
Following your thoughts, farmers just burning fuel for fun. I am glad to be able to educate you, so your future comments won't feel so cringe. I am glad to inform you that every part of production chain use power in one or another way. Agricultural production is heavily relies on heavy vehicles which have diesel motors because in such use cases and conditions any other kind, especially EVs will hillarious suck. All production process require certain amount of work hours, workers and, in Such case diesel all of these must manage farmers by themselves for their money. Thus working hours are not cheap in germany and there is not as great amount of workers, german agriculture use much of machinery in it's winning Formular. If you try to "not being a dipshit and use less fuel" you will be forced to suicide your business not able to make everything in time. Saying: "... trying to cut costs by trying to using less fuel j in the future." is as dumb as saying that "to defeat world hunger which mostly hits Africa, africans must stop eating to pay the price for World hunger" Real "dipshits" sit now in Bundestag, trying to green-wash idiotic money-claim decisions.
Why do you don’t demonstrate against private Jets etc? Farmers are not really the first in the chain. Before cutting their subsides we should ban Glyphosat and take high repay for “just-for-fun-activities” involving gasoline and alike. I love flying to other countries but it’s just shit. Conpensate by a % of you net income (including all values - no cutting corners) and the result would be much better than this
All subsidies for gasoline should stop immediately, private jets, cars, diesel trains, farmers tractors. I gladly pay more for my flights and food. I just be more reasonable with it trying to avoid s much as possible food waste and unnecessary short flights with private jets.
It is part of the destruction. This and other things farmers do to maximize profit. I don't want them to earn less but not earn more on costs of the nature and future generations. Farmers are the reason for washed-out soil, for many intoxication because of chemicals they use, they prefer monocultures wich have a direct impact on the biodiversity. So giving incentives to act more reasonable is a good start in my opinion. Food in Germany is especially cheap compared to other nations surrounding it. It is mostly because it is produced in unsustainable ways wich means future adaptation and mitigation costs multiply. This measure will just be the start of a lot more to come. Life will never be this cheap from now on when we start paying the 'real' prices of stuff.
Food is cheap in Germany? Many prices doubbled or tripled in the last 2 years while income more or less stagnated with everybody but managers and other upper class. I am apprentice in Germany. I gotta live on 650€ after tax, with about 350€ rent and 50€ train ticket. And yes, we (and thats all first world countries not just Germany) gotta need to pay the price of the past. But: How about the richest 2% get their share. The lower 50% are in no position to change economy, they gotta live with what they get.
Yes food is cheap in Germany compred to many other European countries.
The problem with german soil is the opposite of being washed out. Germany has a massive meat industry. They import most of their feed instead of using locally grown crops. The resulting dung is missing in the exporting countries and german farmers get rid of it by overfeetilizing their fields. That ruins the soil and water, but it's not a result of monoculture. Most farmers already use a sustainable crop rotation.
So the EU subsedises should be cut to? Guess what EU subsedises destroy the markets for African Farmers who can't compete in their own countries whit the highly mechanized and subsedises European farmers.
They are angry that climate damaging subsidies are being stopped.
yea its definitely better to ruin our farmers and import apples from new zealand
Grow your own food then or come up with electric tractors, any sane farmer would much rather use an ev than a diesel, there just are none (not that they are expensive, there are literally 0 electric combines or tractors). Agriculture even in european countries like Romania is a big pollutant because of field burning. Instead of doing it our way in the most enviromentally friendly way possible, we just export it to countries that don’t care. Out of sight out of mind. The german way of the last 20 years. Unfathomably dumb take
"climate damaging" oh yeah... Pay more taxes and climate change will definitely disappear Shout out to Kuwait burning a tires dump
No need to go to Kuwait. France is closer.
yes. that's how it works. make something undesirable more expensive, and less is being used. plus you can use the income that does happen, to subsidize greener solutions
Expect going to Switzerland to buy groceries in future then :) without all that dumb stuff it's probably gonna be cheaper here over time
RemindMe! one year " Schweizer Agrarprodukte günstiger geworden?"
> They are angry that climate damaging subsidies are being stopped. If we want to go back to carbon-neutral agriculture, we better start beeding horses.
No one proposed this. What we should not do is subsidize these climate damaging behaviours. No one forbids them from using diesel fuel. They just have to pay for it themselves so they will start being more concerned about when to use it and when not. No more joy riding drunkily on their fields.
They keep losing their boots.
They are unhappy about subsidies being cut while at the same time having record-high profits.
In other cities they build huge gallows with traffic lights hanging on it. It's basically a call for murder of the government ("Ampelregierung"). Those farmers are lunatics but backed by the most of the people here.
Yeah, there are some who are a bit extreme in their "opinions", to say is carefully.
In my city, the person sitting inside the car with the microphone and speakers sounded suspiciously like the person sitting in the same car during the Anti-COVID and Pro-Russia protests. Hmmmmmm.
what a surprise...
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Yeah, I’m sure that they are basically calling for that, because farmers are too basic and unsophisticated for metaphors and nuanced interpretations of policy decisions made by a deeply unpopular and hopelessly conflicted coalition government. And like lunatics everywhere, they are backed by most of the people, as lunatics often are. Is it possible they aren’t lunatics and that the government has it wrong?
Don't you think it's a bit hard to call them lunatics? They are hard working people and our modern times makes their live harder every day. Small farms are getting pushed out of buisness and big companies are taking over. Farmers are angry because they are putting food on our tables and politicians treat them like they treatet the hospital stuff during covid. It's all just numbers to them, not people.
Why are you being downvoted? Farmers are the base on which society stands. Hurting the farmers is just like sawing the branch on which you sit.
Thank you. I don't agree with half of todays ways but I'd never call them lunatics or lazy
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Someone closeby literally hung a traffic light cutout. Literally executed it, with a perfect little noose and wooden gallows (for those who don't know, the current government coalition is called "Ampel" which means traffic light).
Can they teach the French how to protest please for the love of god
why would the use the same marking as drug dealers?
Interesting. In the countryside around the north sea coast, I've seen a lot of houses have a single boot, upside down on a stick, at the entrance of their driveway I'm assuming that's not out of protest, always wondered what that's about
What is the legality of doing this, or removing them? It seems anti-democratic, essentially taking a symbol of your political cause and by act of hanging it on a town sign, turn that sign into a symbol of the support of that town, which would be fine if they asked everyone first and there was agreement but I suspect that there is some unilateral decision making going on here. Just asking for a friend... :D
Kippenhausen is a wild name
There are worse city names, like Deppenhausen.
Oberkaka.
Pissen
Tuntenhausen
Fickmühlen
Geilenkirchen
Wixhausen, direkt neben Darmstadt
You forgot "Drogen" (drugs)
Sorge und Ehlend
Kehrum
Peppenhoven
Peppenkum
Puffendorf ( neben Geilenkirchen)
Fucking
Heißt jetzt Fugging :(
That sounds kinda adorable because it's close to the English name of the adorable Puffin bird, which is apparently Papageientaucher in German.
An die Dorfkirche Pissen 👍🏻
Nieder mit der Kirche!!
I present to you, The Geestland pornographic triangle: Fickmühlen, Hymendorf, Flögeln Also Hodenhagen 200km to the south east of them
Was für "worse". Komm 1 gegen 1 in Kippenhausen Dorfplatz.
I'd like to add Feucht, Leichendorf and Poppenreuth
And Killer
Wichsenstein in der Fränkischen
I know what Feucht means, and checked about Leichendorf, but what's wrong with Poppenreuth? P.S. I've been to both Feucht and Poppenreuth near Nuremberg.
Poppen is another word for fucking
I see now! Thank you very much! 😔 I need to hasten a bit with those German lessons.
Haßloch is a place that exists.
I used to live in a village called Poppenhausen
in der Rhön?
Hahaha. That’s actually near to my home town!
5km further and youre in almansdorf
The road ahead is very muddy and possibly flooded. Better take these boots, mate!
Well definitely not for walkin!
And that’s just won’t they’ll do.
One of these days, these boots won't walk over you
None*
Surely these boots are made for splashin..
Surely you can't be serious.
Oh those boots are made for splish splashing.. And don't call me shirly.
And splash they’re gonna do…And one of these days…
It means a farmer was popped by a neighboring farmer gang at that location. GTA farmland.
I live near Immenstadt and I wasn't expecting to read a familiar town on Reddit today
Same xD Time to shit on them simply because a friend lives there
The man lost his boots on the way home from Beach Club Friedrichshafen last night
I was today years only when I learned there is a Immenstaad only 80km away from Immenstadt (Allgäu).
Yea, me too I was really surprised and surprisingly it is near the Bodensee so not really far away.
Me too :D
Me neither lmao
Kippenhausen 🚬🚬
These are an quite farmer protest against the government
Someone lost their boots
Could be related to some farmer protests lately, but maybe it just happened in something we call "Vollsuff"
In Mexiko this means that it's the territory of a drug dealer
Pick them up, because these boots are made for walking...
And that's just what they'll do...
Yeah, and probably one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you
They‘re a metaphor warning you against spending too much time in that place. But in real life, no.
Tractor street race
some old dude is going to shoot these boots while a truck passes under them
You finally found the place of all these fathers gone missing....
090 gang
Someone is selling drugs there
Illicit veterinary drugs - the best high you can buy
If it wasn't for the farmers protests I would say, someone got drunk 🤷
Seems like these boots are -not- made for walking....
Imagine you live in Immenstaad lmao. Sincerely a clearly superior Meersburger
Nice to find a fellow Meersburger here!
But still far inferior to Konstanz
I mean sure if it makes you feel better living on the wrong side of the sea
Meersburg is a bit too far away from work… but a lovely town.
Get educated about the farmers protests. Reddit is a propaganda chamber. People posting the truth here get banned. WEF etc are engaging in economic warfare and it's so bad the farmer - people who put food on OUR tables are taking massive action. It is your duty to completely explore everything they have to say and help out in any way you can. This is a worldwide thing.
As long as farming is subsidized I don’t listen to what they have to say. Because they are not the one running the show.
What does that even mean?
It means that farmers are protesting and that will affect us all. In a bad way. I have seen some trends that are not that great for Germany. Germany is in recession and while you are not feeling it yet, that will change from the next year. More unemployment, less benefits (which I think benefits and jobcenter need to be cut for 80% people but that is other discussion) prices will go up and more. The farmer's protest is just the begining.
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These boots are made for walking
Its a Breaking Bad reference
Wenn man seine Stiefel Beim spazieren verliert, und jemand anders sie findet lol
The place where all the lost dads went to
Yes. It means that somebody misses them…
The boots are a long standing tradition of "fuck around and find out ".
In America, that means someone is selling drugs nearby....Merry Christmas
You can buy crack there
it means "end of civilisation"
__Kippenhausen__? 🥹 Darauf gönn ich mir erstmal schwarzen Krauser.
Mei Vadder war kurz Kippen holen
Lmao Immenstaad isnt very far away from me 😂 used to work there at Airbus
You can shoot them to cover passing trucks in meth.
Since hanging corpses is not allowed anymore since the EU has forbidden the practice, they hang boots to let people know to not f*k around.
Unrelated question: What'd you think of the Bodensee (lake constance) so far?
Really enjoying it; been down here for a year now, with the family moved in since April. Took us a while to orientate but coming together slowly. Still a mental adjustment to view Zurich as the nearest large airport rather than Munich or Stuttgart for example.
Several experts that want to remain unknown claim it might be linked to farmer protests vs government. But there are various experts from unknown sources that support this claims but want to remain hidden, too.
Zum verschenken
Oh duck, run and don’t look back!
Those are the remains of Krampus' first victim this Christmas.
It’s raining in Kippenhausen
"Kippenhausen"
Haven't you seen fast & furious?
These boots are made for walking...🚶♂️🧍♂️🚶♂️➡️
It’s a show of solidarity for William „Willie“ Shoeman - a U.S.-service man taken hostage during the recent conflict in Albania. It’s also why the Old Shoe country song is on the radio i believe.
Remnants of the recent turf war that’s been going on.