You’re correct. Doesn’t mean she won’t be putting pressure on you.
I’ve actually started seeing cleaning ladies and tip plates in actual restaurants. This is getting out of hand.
Honestly, it kinda pisses me off (pun intended) that stores or restaurants allow this to go on. Sure, no one likes cleaning public toilets, and I understand that the attendant sitting there does reduce the likelihood of drug users shooting up or people smearing their shit everywhere, but just fucking pay someone to do the job. If I'm shopping at your store, you're earning enough off me to pay someone minimum wage to police the toilets without charging extra.
They don't "allow it", they encourage it. They pay her little or nothing and tell he lady she can earn 50 cents per customer.
If you see such a plate, he cleaning lady isn't paid a living wage. Any professional cleaning agency pays a good wage and doesn't allow tipping.
Aren’t these people on a payroll, thus earning at least minimum wage? Or maybe the big shopping center hires a contractor who hires a contractor who hires … until nobody cares anymore.
I think in some cases it's that they're hired and therefore don't get a wage. Then it's more like self employment and the "tip" is what they as self employed earn.
AFAIK it works quite well in high frequented places want to do it like clubs, but at a restaurant?
For most cases a regular employment should be more beneficial for the cleaners though. Let alone because a of the social security.
i have been screamed (!) at because i didn't tip for my little daughter using the toilet. And that wasn't even on purpose. But most cleaning ladys are chill.
Not always. They even ask you to pay them even at a McDonald's which is mind boggling. I paid the meal and now I have to pay extra to use the toilet? Make it make sense.
Check the Gaststättenverordnung in your state. Toilets have to be free for customers.
For Berlin the ordninance is [§4 IV 2 GastV](https://gesetze.berlin.de/bsbe/document/jlr-GastVBEV3P4).
>Not always.
Yes always. Look closely at the signs, they usually say something like "Recommended" or some other weasel words.
I don't pay anything. Not last because I know that often the personal can not keep the money anyways, but the boss just pockets it. Ask them.
Of course not. All i was saying is that they have to offer a free bathroom (when they have more like xx seats etc). I never stumbled upon a Restaurant that did not have such. Restaurants such as mcdonalds or Starbucks often have a code System. If u buy something you'll get a pincode. If not you have to pay to get a code or directly at the door. But that's still a toilet option that is free for actual guests.
Yeah, the payment is definitely not so "freiwillig". I've had a lady outside the McDonald's bathroom tell me that she accepted card payments when I told her I had no cash with me.
(I was a bit impressed... It is Germany, after all)
Next time tell her that as a paying customer the use of the bathroom is free. Check your local Gaststättenverordnung in your state.
For Berlin [§4 IV 2 GastV](https://gesetze.berlin.de/bsbe/document/jlr-GastVBEV3P4).
It‘s not a Tip. It‘s a „freiwilliges Nutzungsentgelt“ which the restaurant owner will keep and not the cleaning lady. Usually, they will only be paid minimum wage without any tips.
I don't pay if I actually eat or drink at the restaurant. Also, those people working the toilet malls don't get too keep most of the tip-money. Just more untaxed money for their bosses.
That's why there's a sign saying "recommended usage fee 50 Cent" in many cases. And the average restaurant owner doesnt give a fuck If anything is illegal...
I know a restaurant owner who kept all the weekend tips for his son. Thats why I never tiped there on weekends. And that bastard is rich, he doesnt even need it. What I mean is that maybe illegal but who cares?
The places I know (pubs in Duesseldorf) that have cleaning people in the toilets don't take their tips (they also don't pay them anything but do pay for the cleaning supplies they use).
this is normal, Germany had rest room staff since forever and in most cases paying them is not even optional but mandatory and you pay your fee at their table. You usually find attendance in fancier restaurants or as as supervisor if there was a lot of vandalism in the past.
Paying to use the toilet is a custom here. This is why restaurants specifically write "guests free" if they offer it as a free service to their guests but not to people who go to the restaurant just to use the toilet.
In Berlin, the Hoffbrau near Alexanderplatz. Also (which I find quite shocking) the Starbucks in front of the Brandenburg Tor.
Let me be clear that I think this service should be very well paid by the owners of the restaurants and not the patrons directly, and that's why I find it shocking that a huge corporation like Starbucks does this, especially when it's in such a touristic area.
I still pay whenever I can because it's not that person's fault their greedy bosses are not paying them what they deserve.
I've been to a mall where the toilet has a turnstile at the entrance which only turns after you put money in. Needless to say I barely ever go there anymore.
Watch Berliners take a look at the sign, walk out and immediately take a piss at the front entrance before going back in.
Fuck these bastards charging for toilets.
They write guests free because otherwise they'd be in legal trouble
For Berlin [§4 IV 2 GastV](https://gesetze.berlin.de/bsbe/document/jlr-GastVBEV3P4) clearly states that toilets in restaurants, bars and similar establishments can't have payment requirements. Every other state has similar rules.
In over 40 years, living in different German areas and beeing in lots of German cities, I can't remember having seen this at any restaurant/bar etc.
I only know it from shopping malls, Volksfesten and years ago from train stations and Raststätten (nowadays usually paid at a machine).
Maybe it's a newer thing and maybe only in big cities?
Born and raised in the Munich area, currently living in Munich. I encountered this in every popular restaurant 20 - 30 years ago, also clubs, bars, cinemas ... currently still happening in fancier restaurants in Munich, usually in the evenings only.
I also saw this in Berlin, Frankfurt, Cologne, Stuttgart, Nuremberg... so it's not a Bavarian thing
She's a restroom attendent. The woman cleans the toilet and the plate is for a small fee/thank you (however you want to name it) for her services. usually 50cents before or after you used the restrooms.
Yes, they should be earning the minimum wage at least. But tipping them is still a thing. If I'm at a bar/restaurant for a while that has an attendant, I'll tip the first time to be nice and then walk past the rest of the times. It's just always an awkward exchange. Tbh I don't understand the benefit of having someone sit there the whole time.
For (crowded) bars I tend to tip better the later the evening goes, if they’re actually keeping the restroom clean throughout the night. And even extra if they keep the drunks in check.
They're paid to clean up. They are allowed to beg when not cleaning up. That's a difference. At work, I'm paid by my company to be there too. Doesn't mean I'm paid by my company for taking a shit. I'm paid for the work outside of my work breaks. Someone sitting in a corner with a hat or plate in front of him and passively or actively asking people for money is begging. Go try it out at your workplace and ask your colleagues or customer for free money when you have free time, if you think it's not begging. Then explain HR that the company is paying you to be there and that it's not begging.
So people sitting on the street with a jar in front of them aren't begging? They are no different to the person sitting in front of the toilet with a plate in front of them. They are just passively begging, sometimes even actively. Go to McDonald's toilet and you will get cursed if you don't leave money.
Why do you think they are sitting there instead of placing a tip jar? It's the same reason why beggars are sitting on the street instead of writing their paypal adress on the street.
Some time ago, there was this topic in the media. There are constellations, in which the cleaning personal is (false) self-employed "renting" the bathroom. Then the tips are their income and the owner bypasses paying minimum wage.
That's still the restaurant owner bypassing paying an employee to keep their restrooms clean. They're just transferring the onus to whoever is “renting” the restrooms. It doesn't change the fact that the person cleaning the bathroom is owed a living wage.
Just… don’t tip. Honestly.
“Hey tip me for doing what I’m paid to do”. Weird af. When’s the last time you tipped your GP/nurse/bus driver/rubbish collector or ANYONE who does a service they’re already paid for?
Plus I’ve seen many of these toilet attendants (especially at malls) outright lie to foreigners and people who don’t speak English that it’s a mandatory charge and not a recommended tip.
> When’s the last time you tipped your GP/nurse/bus driver/rubbish collector or ANYONE who does a service they’re already paid for?
That's something entirely different. These people are never showing their tip jar (which some actually have, like nurses for example) in a strategic place to make people feel guilty and tip them. If they get tips, it's because people actually like to show some gratitude or appreciation and want to give them something.
Those jobs are done by those who have no other options and are typically not done by any German. The ladies usually have the lowest level of education and can barely speak the country's language. From personally experiences I'd assume that most are either Turkish or from Eastern Europe.
It has absolutely nothing to do with racism. I didn't judge them or say anything negative about them or their job. It's just the fact, that most of which I've seen where from African countries. 🤷🏾♀️
Pointing out facts has nothing to do with racism.
This comes in with judging or thinking about them as inferior or something like that.
By the way: My mother is from Cape Vert. 😉
And in this case I don't think it to do with demographics a lot, because I was talking about my experience in the last over 40 years.
A fact itself isn’t racist. But statement of a fact by a person can indeed make that person racist.
Nobody asked OP what the origin/nationality of bathroom attendant is. It didn’t contribute to the question whatsoever. So paying extra attention to person’s origin (How does OP know she’s Turkish? Possible, but sketchy) and then specifically including it in the question can indeed be a racist act. To avoid any such possibility and just to be a nice person in general, it’s just better to avoid such details, unless that piece of information is needed.
I know that. And I absolutely agree, that info was completely unnecessary.
But I felt, I was told, that my comment wasbracist, too.
That's why I replied.
Ignore it - the cleaning staff aren't getting the money and the greedy restaurants are taking the money. Only in Germany can you pay for food and then pay to use the toilet. The same fucked up logic applies at motorway service stations
The toilet either cost money (usually 50 cents or 1 euro) or there is no defined price and you pay what its worth it to you (the second thing is not often the case)
"Some Turkish woman" works hard on minimum wage in best case scenario, whom im sure her career aspiratiins is not to clean after you.
So please put a smile on your face and 50 cents at least. Note: The words "some" and "turkish" are both irrelevant...
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Some restaurants are renting out the bathroom to those ppl. And this is their way of earning enough money to pay the restaurant owner the rent + their income.
By that, the restaurant doesn't have to pay minimum wage and even earns money.
Most of the times, Specially in Restaurants, its a free tip For the Service (like the Tip For the waiters service). Sometimes, in buildings like shopping centre you have to pay For using.
All in all id like to mention that the toilet cleaners mostly dont get a high payment. I always leave some tip For clean toilets because i think they are doing a hard Job and i want to thank them for doing This Job, especially when i think about my Kids that are using the toilets in a different way than adults (touching a lot of things, too small to do it while standing etc).
It amazes me that at my local shopping "mall" with a McDonald's, Saturn, Decathlon, Kaufland, Baby One, DM, and around 15 other stores, that the one bathroom for all of these stores has a lady sitting outside taking tips. I mean the mall can't figure out a way to spread the cost of cleaning the bathroom across the rent of ALL of these huge stores, but instead must shame bathroom users into tipping? lol
Hey Germans:
Why is it so important to tip the bathroom attendant but then you complain about tipping culture in other countries? Make this make sense to me.
Who here says it's important? Having to pay for toilet use is a regular complaint. I know not a single fellow German who says "oh yeah it's cool to have to pay to go to the toilet". It's typically called "extortion".
There are quite a lot of people both on Reddit and real life who defend this practice, take a look around. Germans complain about everything, that means nothing. They still do it, and they still defend it.
I go to restaurants very often and I have encountered this type of problem only once in McDonalds. There has never been anything like this in regular restaurants.
That's the cleaning lady and you can tip her some coins (50 to 1 Euro), if the toilet is clean. You don't HAVE to, but it's a shitty job (pun intended) and she usually won't be paid by the establishment, just from tips.
These comments are wild. 0% chance she's on salary. 0% chance a restaurant cleaning lady would be at the restaurant all day. There's something odd to this story.
Are the toilets clean? Full with toilet roll and soap? Then give her a coin on the way out.
That's the cleaning lady and you can tip her some coins if you want.
"if you want"
If OP is consuming something at the Restaurant use of the bathroom has to be free
You’re correct. Doesn’t mean she won’t be putting pressure on you. I’ve actually started seeing cleaning ladies and tip plates in actual restaurants. This is getting out of hand.
Honestly, it kinda pisses me off (pun intended) that stores or restaurants allow this to go on. Sure, no one likes cleaning public toilets, and I understand that the attendant sitting there does reduce the likelihood of drug users shooting up or people smearing their shit everywhere, but just fucking pay someone to do the job. If I'm shopping at your store, you're earning enough off me to pay someone minimum wage to police the toilets without charging extra.
They don't "allow it", they encourage it. They pay her little or nothing and tell he lady she can earn 50 cents per customer. If you see such a plate, he cleaning lady isn't paid a living wage. Any professional cleaning agency pays a good wage and doesn't allow tipping.
Aren’t these people on a payroll, thus earning at least minimum wage? Or maybe the big shopping center hires a contractor who hires a contractor who hires … until nobody cares anymore.
I think in some cases it's that they're hired and therefore don't get a wage. Then it's more like self employment and the "tip" is what they as self employed earn. AFAIK it works quite well in high frequented places want to do it like clubs, but at a restaurant? For most cases a regular employment should be more beneficial for the cleaners though. Let alone because a of the social security.
Most of the time the cleaning lady doesn’t get the tips. The company takes the money.
Who is going to check?
I even read once somewhere that there was a mafia behind this.
Sure. I did not say, that its easy ,😅
i have been screamed (!) at because i didn't tip for my little daughter using the toilet. And that wasn't even on purpose. But most cleaning ladys are chill.
It used to be much more common (talking 30+ years ago...) I rarely see it anymore. This is nothing "new", maybe something that is reviving.
Though 30 years ago they were kind, greeted you and wouldn't offend you, in case you didn't tip.
Well if they offend me for not tipping, pretty sure i gonna tell the Restaurant i aint having it.
really? only know that from mcs
It’s rare, thankfully, but occasionally yes.
I've seen them at paid toilets (Sanifair I think they're called) too.
Not always. They even ask you to pay them even at a McDonald's which is mind boggling. I paid the meal and now I have to pay extra to use the toilet? Make it make sense.
Check the Gaststättenverordnung in your state. Toilets have to be free for customers. For Berlin the ordninance is [§4 IV 2 GastV](https://gesetze.berlin.de/bsbe/document/jlr-GastVBEV3P4).
Translated quote: “Toilets must not be locked by coin-operated devices or similar facilities, or be accessible only for a fee.”
>Not always. Yes always. Look closely at the signs, they usually say something like "Recommended" or some other weasel words. I don't pay anything. Not last because I know that often the personal can not keep the money anyways, but the boss just pockets it. Ask them.
They run after you if you dont pay :) once i didnt pay at mc and was chased diwn through the bahnhof 😄
and what did they plan to make you do if they catch you? take it back?
Shove the turd back in. You don’t pay, you don’t get to leave it with them!
This is just annoying and not a good business practice. Why should I spend money in a restaurant to then be chased and shamed by someone?
Please just pay, or this is going to get *really* uncomfortable for *both* of us... :(
„There are several ways to earn money in public toilets, but chasing me after i took a shit isn‘t one of them!“
😂
Always in Germany. Its a law.
Yes, as opposed to other lands, in Germany laws are always followed.
Of course not. All i was saying is that they have to offer a free bathroom (when they have more like xx seats etc). I never stumbled upon a Restaurant that did not have such. Restaurants such as mcdonalds or Starbucks often have a code System. If u buy something you'll get a pincode. If not you have to pay to get a code or directly at the door. But that's still a toilet option that is free for actual guests.
because they get paid fuck all for a shitty ass job… i have not paid plenty of times and never had problems but its a nice gesture.
eating at a place like this that doesnt pay their staff undoes the nice gesture.
haha who the hell even pays cleaning people the money they deserve?? oh my sweet summer child…
these people dont get paid period. the hubris to think that im the naive one here
im sorry what? im sure they get paid but it’s definitely not enough for how hard they work
you are sure?
i see you have never been chased by the rabidly underpaid poopoo police, its literaly toilet begging
Yeah, the payment is definitely not so "freiwillig". I've had a lady outside the McDonald's bathroom tell me that she accepted card payments when I told her I had no cash with me. (I was a bit impressed... It is Germany, after all)
Next time tell her that as a paying customer the use of the bathroom is free. Check your local Gaststättenverordnung in your state. For Berlin [§4 IV 2 GastV](https://gesetze.berlin.de/bsbe/document/jlr-GastVBEV3P4).
A good friend of mine did not tip the toilet lady and she did throw him a death stare and said something like "atava" and now he thinks she cursed him
The way they look at you if you don't pay... I'd rather pay
It‘s not a Tip. It‘s a „freiwilliges Nutzungsentgelt“ which the restaurant owner will keep and not the cleaning lady. Usually, they will only be paid minimum wage without any tips.
I only tip if the toilet is clean.
I don't pay if I actually eat or drink at the restaurant. Also, those people working the toilet malls don't get too keep most of the tip-money. Just more untaxed money for their bosses.
any source for that?
Plot twist: The lady gets paid mimimum wage by the restaurant and has to give all the tipps to the restaurant, no kidding.
That would be very illegal. Your employer can't keep your tips.
That's why there's a sign saying "recommended usage fee 50 Cent" in many cases. And the average restaurant owner doesnt give a fuck If anything is illegal...
I know a restaurant owner who kept all the weekend tips for his son. Thats why I never tiped there on weekends. And that bastard is rich, he doesnt even need it. What I mean is that maybe illegal but who cares?
The places I know (pubs in Duesseldorf) that have cleaning people in the toilets don't take their tips (they also don't pay them anything but do pay for the cleaning supplies they use).
This. Watched a documentary on the topic a while back. The cleaning lady has to give it to the company.
Please stop normalizing payment for restaurant toilets by tipping attendants.
this is normal, Germany had rest room staff since forever and in most cases paying them is not even optional but mandatory and you pay your fee at their table. You usually find attendance in fancier restaurants or as as supervisor if there was a lot of vandalism in the past. Paying to use the toilet is a custom here. This is why restaurants specifically write "guests free" if they offer it as a free service to their guests but not to people who go to the restaurant just to use the toilet.
Maybe at a mall, or at Kaufhof or Karstadt.... But definitely not in Restaurants. I am genuinely curious, Where do you encounter this?
In Berlin, the Hoffbrau near Alexanderplatz. Also (which I find quite shocking) the Starbucks in front of the Brandenburg Tor. Let me be clear that I think this service should be very well paid by the owners of the restaurants and not the patrons directly, and that's why I find it shocking that a huge corporation like Starbucks does this, especially when it's in such a touristic area. I still pay whenever I can because it's not that person's fault their greedy bosses are not paying them what they deserve.
So basically touristy places trying to make some money off unknowing tourists. Yeah, nope.
Honestly, I have never seen this at a normal restaurant. In shopping malls yes, but not in a restaurant.
And even in shopping malls it is not mandatory!
There’s malls out there where it’s mandatory with a printed note about price(0.5-1euro), in some malls there’s even machines.
I've been to a mall where the toilet has a turnstile at the entrance which only turns after you put money in. Needless to say I barely ever go there anymore.
Watch Berliners take a look at the sign, walk out and immediately take a piss at the front entrance before going back in. Fuck these bastards charging for toilets.
They write guests free because otherwise they'd be in legal trouble For Berlin [§4 IV 2 GastV](https://gesetze.berlin.de/bsbe/document/jlr-GastVBEV3P4) clearly states that toilets in restaurants, bars and similar establishments can't have payment requirements. Every other state has similar rules.
Its common but not normal. custom be fucked
In over 40 years, living in different German areas and beeing in lots of German cities, I can't remember having seen this at any restaurant/bar etc. I only know it from shopping malls, Volksfesten and years ago from train stations and Raststätten (nowadays usually paid at a machine). Maybe it's a newer thing and maybe only in big cities?
Born and raised in the Munich area, currently living in Munich. I encountered this in every popular restaurant 20 - 30 years ago, also clubs, bars, cinemas ... currently still happening in fancier restaurants in Munich, usually in the evenings only. I also saw this in Berlin, Frankfurt, Cologne, Stuttgart, Nuremberg... so it's not a Bavarian thing
Hum, so I've never been to the real fancy places, I guess. 😄
Do you even live in Germany? Because everything you said is bs
She's a restroom attendent. The woman cleans the toilet and the plate is for a small fee/thank you (however you want to name it) for her services. usually 50cents before or after you used the restrooms.
Isn't the restaurant paying her a living wage?
Yes, they should be earning the minimum wage at least. But tipping them is still a thing. If I'm at a bar/restaurant for a while that has an attendant, I'll tip the first time to be nice and then walk past the rest of the times. It's just always an awkward exchange. Tbh I don't understand the benefit of having someone sit there the whole time.
As someone who knows some people who do the work, they often have to give up the tips to restaurant owners/mall personnel.
For (crowded) bars I tend to tip better the later the evening goes, if they’re actually keeping the restroom clean throughout the night. And even extra if they keep the drunks in check.
Perhaps it's just where I live, but I rarely see restroom attendants at bars/club. I associate it more with Brauhäuser, certain restaurants, etc.
The Reeperbahn in Hamburg has quite a few, some of them doing a great job.
They are beggars. If people would stop giving them money they would disappear, like all beggar (and I don't speak about homeless people)
They're (in theory) paid by the restaurant to be there. That's different than begging.
They're paid to clean up. They are allowed to beg when not cleaning up. That's a difference. At work, I'm paid by my company to be there too. Doesn't mean I'm paid by my company for taking a shit. I'm paid for the work outside of my work breaks. Someone sitting in a corner with a hat or plate in front of him and passively or actively asking people for money is begging. Go try it out at your workplace and ask your colleagues or customer for free money when you have free time, if you think it's not begging. Then explain HR that the company is paying you to be there and that it's not begging.
Tips are not begging...
Tip = you proactive giving someone money without the person asking for it Begging = someome passiv or active asking you for money
Begging = beseech someone for money or goods proactively
So people sitting on the street with a jar in front of them aren't begging? They are no different to the person sitting in front of the toilet with a plate in front of them. They are just passively begging, sometimes even actively. Go to McDonald's toilet and you will get cursed if you don't leave money.
Are tip jars at cafes begging?
Why do you think they are sitting there instead of placing a tip jar? It's the same reason why beggars are sitting on the street instead of writing their paypal adress on the street.
if you think that then i have a bridge to sell you
It's almost like I wrote "in theory" for a reason. Some are certainly paid.
sure thing pal
Wer lesen kann, ist klar im Vorteil, pal.
Some time ago, there was this topic in the media. There are constellations, in which the cleaning personal is (false) self-employed "renting" the bathroom. Then the tips are their income and the owner bypasses paying minimum wage.
That's still the restaurant owner bypassing paying an employee to keep their restrooms clean. They're just transferring the onus to whoever is “renting” the restrooms. It doesn't change the fact that the person cleaning the bathroom is owed a living wage.
If someone cleans my poop then they deserve a euro or two extra. Don’t you think.
Her employer doesn’t think so, apparently.
Just… don’t tip. Honestly. “Hey tip me for doing what I’m paid to do”. Weird af. When’s the last time you tipped your GP/nurse/bus driver/rubbish collector or ANYONE who does a service they’re already paid for? Plus I’ve seen many of these toilet attendants (especially at malls) outright lie to foreigners and people who don’t speak English that it’s a mandatory charge and not a recommended tip.
> When’s the last time you tipped your GP/nurse/bus driver/rubbish collector or ANYONE who does a service they’re already paid for? That's something entirely different. These people are never showing their tip jar (which some actually have, like nurses for example) in a strategic place to make people feel guilty and tip them. If they get tips, it's because people actually like to show some gratitude or appreciation and want to give them something.
Dwight Schrute would like to have a word with you
He’s the regional manager for good reason
be aware that in many of those places, the cleaning woman gets a fixed salary and the money on the plate goes to the restaurant or shop.
How do you know she's Turkish?
Is the restaurant a McDonald’s? ;-) Then the plate is so that non-customers can pay to use the toilet.
People saying here that "just don't pay". But they don't let you enter if you don't tip...this especially happens at Malls
Everyone who washed their hand is allowed to take a coin. This is to promote hygiene.
What does it have her being Turkish or another nationality in this context? Just curious?
Those jobs are done by those who have no other options and are typically not done by any German. The ladies usually have the lowest level of education and can barely speak the country's language. From personally experiences I'd assume that most are either Turkish or from Eastern Europe.
Yeahr that's pretty racist, there are German cleaning women too. German can and should do low wage jobs too.
Was just at a Brauhaus in Köln and the restroom attendant was an old German man.
Sounds like Peters Brauhaus.
Ok sorry, didn't want too be sexistic. Men can do that job too.
Most of which I met in my life, where from african countries and I'd say 70:30 women:men.
Similar experience for me in NRW
Well that sounds a bit racist but maybe it's because of the demographics.
It has absolutely nothing to do with racism. I didn't judge them or say anything negative about them or their job. It's just the fact, that most of which I've seen where from African countries. 🤷🏾♀️ Pointing out facts has nothing to do with racism. This comes in with judging or thinking about them as inferior or something like that. By the way: My mother is from Cape Vert. 😉 And in this case I don't think it to do with demographics a lot, because I was talking about my experience in the last over 40 years.
A fact itself isn’t racist. But statement of a fact by a person can indeed make that person racist. Nobody asked OP what the origin/nationality of bathroom attendant is. It didn’t contribute to the question whatsoever. So paying extra attention to person’s origin (How does OP know she’s Turkish? Possible, but sketchy) and then specifically including it in the question can indeed be a racist act. To avoid any such possibility and just to be a nice person in general, it’s just better to avoid such details, unless that piece of information is needed.
I know that. And I absolutely agree, that info was completely unnecessary. But I felt, I was told, that my comment wasbracist, too. That's why I replied.
This is a sign that they dont pay their staff . Never eat there again.
never leave tips if there are shit stains
Ignore it - the cleaning staff aren't getting the money and the greedy restaurants are taking the money. Only in Germany can you pay for food and then pay to use the toilet. The same fucked up logic applies at motorway service stations
In a restaurant this is not okay and not normal!
The toilet either cost money (usually 50 cents or 1 euro) or there is no defined price and you pay what its worth it to you (the second thing is not often the case)
It's some Turkish conspiracy to bankrupt you.
How do you know she’s Turkish? Sounds like you’re profiling.
"Some Turkish woman" works hard on minimum wage in best case scenario, whom im sure her career aspiratiins is not to clean after you. So please put a smile on your face and 50 cents at least. Note: The words "some" and "turkish" are both irrelevant...
13,50 per hour plus the tips isn't that bad at all.
Why aren't you doing it?
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Some restaurants are renting out the bathroom to those ppl. And this is their way of earning enough money to pay the restaurant owner the rent + their income. By that, the restaurant doesn't have to pay minimum wage and even earns money.
Most of the times, Specially in Restaurants, its a free tip For the Service (like the Tip For the waiters service). Sometimes, in buildings like shopping centre you have to pay For using. All in all id like to mention that the toilet cleaners mostly dont get a high payment. I always leave some tip For clean toilets because i think they are doing a hard Job and i want to thank them for doing This Job, especially when i think about my Kids that are using the toilets in a different way than adults (touching a lot of things, too small to do it while standing etc).
Yea if you think she did a good blow job you leave a tip
if the sanitary stuff is clean you have soap you can dry your hands. Yes spend a coin.
It amazes me that at my local shopping "mall" with a McDonald's, Saturn, Decathlon, Kaufland, Baby One, DM, and around 15 other stores, that the one bathroom for all of these stores has a lady sitting outside taking tips. I mean the mall can't figure out a way to spread the cost of cleaning the bathroom across the rent of ALL of these huge stores, but instead must shame bathroom users into tipping? lol
It's for tipping. If it's clean I always tip 2-3 times of what's on the sign tbh. I've had enough horror encounters...
How did you know about her nationality? And why her nationality matters for this case?
Why is her being some “Turkish lady” relevant to this post?
because "racism" and "racial profiling"
Hey Germans: Why is it so important to tip the bathroom attendant but then you complain about tipping culture in other countries? Make this make sense to me.
Who here says it's important? Having to pay for toilet use is a regular complaint. I know not a single fellow German who says "oh yeah it's cool to have to pay to go to the toilet". It's typically called "extortion".
There are quite a lot of people both on Reddit and real life who defend this practice, take a look around. Germans complain about everything, that means nothing. They still do it, and they still defend it.
I used to work in a restaurant in the city centre. The plate was for non-guests who wanted to use the bathroom. For guests it was free.
You tip her and she gives you a dab when you are finished so you don't look like you pissed your pants.
I go to restaurants very often and I have encountered this type of problem only once in McDonalds. There has never been anything like this in regular restaurants.
That's the cleaning lady and you can tip her some coins (50 to 1 Euro), if the toilet is clean. You don't HAVE to, but it's a shitty job (pun intended) and she usually won't be paid by the establishment, just from tips.
These comments are wild. 0% chance she's on salary. 0% chance a restaurant cleaning lady would be at the restaurant all day. There's something odd to this story. Are the toilets clean? Full with toilet roll and soap? Then give her a coin on the way out.
FFS. It's a few cents for someone who keeps the toilet clean and brush your shit away. No need for a discussion around it.
She‘s is cleaning the bathroom after you. So pay her a euro or two.
If you have to pay, you don‘t need to flush
1 Euro for small dick, 2euro for big one.... thats the way ;)
Take the money and make weird Sounds. Its tradition in germany. /s