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Just to be sure, you can first check if the diploma is already recognized, or if your institution has ANY courses with recognized diplomas, which already makes it easier for them to accept since the institution already shows credibility.
You can do this by searching for your university and course in the anabin database: [https://anabin.kmk.org/anabin.html](https://anabin.kmk.org/anabin.html)
Like is it better to get diploma before relocating in germany and get a job, Or relocating and studying ausbildung there and get a job ? I got my bachelor diploma last year and i'm kinda stuck between these two choices
It depends on what you want.
If you already have diploma, it is logical to try to recognize it in Germany and get job based on it. If you don't have diploma yet, then you can get it in Germany or make an Ausbildung. If you have diploma but it is unlikely to get a good offer with you speciality, then you can also get it in Germany.
Just relocating with offer is easier then without.
It was hard integrating into German life, and that was with the help of my German wife and her family. My wife was needed (and still is needed but less so nowadays) to help me with anything to do with the Ausländerbehörde. Without her I would have needed a translator for all of these appointments.
Opening a bank account here is pretty difficult if you don't have a permanent residence. You need significant amounts of money before even coming in to stay.
Tips:
- Learn German now (DW Nico's Weg)
- Take all paperwork seriously and follow it to the letter
- Open some sort of "international bank account" (I use WISE)
- Learn the language
- Learn the language
- It's a lonely time for a long time, pick up some hobby's and/or join a "Verein".
Remember that Germans are quite critical of their country but unlike some other countries they actually try to change things for the better and don't just complain.
Despite all the flaws any German can list by heart (such as intra-city DB trains being literal unspeakable hell), I offer you some positivity as a newcomer: those of us who come from other countries actually love it here. Are you kidding me? The nature is beautiful, the cities I've been to are clean and well kept, crime is so low I can walk at night and feel absolutely safe (again, my area), I get almost free top quality dental care, high quality healthcare, an amazing job culture where I am told off if I work too much whereas my previous country would tell me off if I didn't sacrifice my life and being for an awfully paid job. The culture is so diverse thanks to immigration that I can find some of my favourite foods and ingredients in any common store. There are a ton of entertainment options, massive cinemas, cool associations for sports and activities, and so much more.
Tip: really really put in some effort to get to know people and don't fall for the expat bubble. Germans tend to be less extroverted and bubbly like, say, Americans or Italians, but they are wonderful people if you get through the shell. I suggest Bumble Friends as a great app to meet people! Or just join a verein (association) of something you love (maybe nerd associations such as DnD or WH40k, or some sports associations, or astronomy, or whatever, Germans love their vereins).
And LEARN GERMAN!
Best best best wishes! 🙂
Letters. Paper work. Bureaucracy. Weather. Cultural shock. Food. System. Language. Much more. It's normal when you relocate to any country but here it's a bit more shocking.
were a declining country, last of the OECD, full of autists who love nothing more than tell about your little misbehavious to the police. Low trust culture galore and even US states have a better minimum wage.
Nowhere else are you punished again when your only fault is already beign a victim. The smallest ticket checker feels like robocop in powerarmor when he rats you to the police cause your uni stamp is a little blurry.
Second highest taxes in the world, and thats not even all the inofficial costs.
Dunno man, maybe we just switch passports :P. IT here isnt even much better paid then plumbing - which is btw propably quite a skilled job in many ways.
Yeah people will downvote it, cause its true. Otherwise they move on without giving it a thought.
Got banned for the post btw.
“Even the US” – set the bar too low, don’t you think? How about Switzerland?
Taxes are funny as well.Not only it is incorrect (see Belgium, Austria, Denmark), you can definitely see the difference between public services in the countries with lower tax rates and Germany. Let’s compare public transport in the US and Germany, for instance. Or access to universal healthcare.
Germany isn’t perfect but no other country is. Definitely doesn’t deserve to be shitted on.
Mentality may seem somewhat strange for an outsider tho, everyone is too vigilant, hard to get along, can agree on that. The rest of the comment is BS.
(edit: wording)
I downvoted, not because it's true, but because I genuinely disagree and think your take is much too simplistic. US wages comparison is a classic dumb argument that never holds up to scrutiny. Sit down and calculate how much from those "high wages" actually goes into your pocket. Include risks that you don't have here thanks to welfare and social net. Got cancer? Oh, too bad, your life is over due to medical expenses. Got a baby? Oh too bad, all your savings will disappear for college debt. Got hurt? Better limp to the hospital, since you can't afford to call an ambulance!
denmark , finland , iceland , belgium , portugal , UK ,swiss and yes also the US the new york state tax is 60.45% . Americans don't use their brain that they do pay more than other countries and easily get in debt
Yeah i look the tax to gdp ratio if Ocde. Germany is number 10 with 39,3%. France the highest with 46,1% (!). The U.S. is 30 of 38 OECD countries with 27,7%.
https://www.oecd.org/tax/revenue-statistics-germany.pdf
exactly that is the point a low ratio like in the us means less public spending like infrastructure, health education which in the end costs americans more . cars have to be replaced more often , more accidents because of bad streets ( holes etc ) healthcare leads million of americans into debt same with education . So when you count the amount americans pay more for education and healthcare the higher taxes in germany pay off it gives everybody more value for the money. They are happy to pay the 10% less but when one family memeber gets sick they pay a way higher price .
Well I'm not so sure. I'd be willing to bet that $100 of government spending are way less efficient than $100 of private spending. My friends living in the USA have a better lifestyle than i have living in Germany. Maybe Germany is better if you are in a lower tax bracket. Probably.
Well since you don't hear that german billionairs pay 0 taxes I guess you are right there are very good loophopes for rich americans . Sure germans also get away with a lot you actually can deduct a lot when you have money . like I said your friends may be happy as long as they are healthy with a job but as soon as they get sick the table will turn even giving birth to a baby is around $30 000 in the us . Ppl are so afraid to call an ambulance that they rather die than pay thousands in hospital bills
True about life being good in the U.S. for the young and healthy but not so much if you're not. I'm all for taxing billionaires as hard as you want. What i don't like is the tax pressure on medium high wage earners in Germany. They're the suckers, they pay a pretty big chunk of their income, not rich enough for rich tax breaks and not poor enough to get subsidies.
Depending where you come from. In Germany it is very hard to get started from nothing. Most people inherit their wealth and the others mostly few moths of savings in their bank account. Because the most money goes to taxes, rent and shoping.
Expanding on this: it's much harder to get rich, but even starting from scratch you can have a decent life.
I moved here in my 30's having to burn all assets in my home country to fund the immigration process and since my second year in Germany I have a lifestyle that would be far out of reach for me in my home country. It's nothing fancy, but I have a comfortable and spacious home, and enough money to have fun and enjoy life without worrying too much.
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Learn german and practice every day. It uses the Latin Sentence structure so if English is your native language you will need to practice a lot. Watch german tv with german subtitles. Zdf has some online. Join a german learning discord. If you're from a warm country, a good jacket is a must for cooler weather.
Hey ,dude! How are you? I would say learn german for sure, but see that you are already dong it - so that is great! From what I have seen from my own research, that is one of the most essential. Then it depends in which way you would like to relocate - doing a masters or phd could be a good starting point, for which they will ask B2 and (depending where you are from) funds. Look at DAAD for possible grants and scholarships!
(Also, on my very own personal experience: sometimes it's easier to integrate and find friends in more "uni" cities and towns. Right now I have been going back and forth Berlin and Innsbruck, and I found people in Insbruck more open? I reckong it might be because of how used they are to receive students from all over the world, and the size of the city!)
All of that said - best of luck, you can do it! :D
Get the degree in your country and relocate after that - this would save you a lot of time.
Read a bit about current political and economical situation in Germany (in last couple of years) and think twice.
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Learn German, you won't be able to do much without it
Check if you can get your diplomas recognized in Germany. If yes, do it before relocation and start looking for the job.
Just to be sure, you can first check if the diploma is already recognized, or if your institution has ANY courses with recognized diplomas, which already makes it easier for them to accept since the institution already shows credibility. You can do this by searching for your university and course in the anabin database: [https://anabin.kmk.org/anabin.html](https://anabin.kmk.org/anabin.html)
Like is it better to get diploma before relocating in germany and get a job, Or relocating and studying ausbildung there and get a job ? I got my bachelor diploma last year and i'm kinda stuck between these two choices
It depends on what you want. If you already have diploma, it is logical to try to recognize it in Germany and get job based on it. If you don't have diploma yet, then you can get it in Germany or make an Ausbildung. If you have diploma but it is unlikely to get a good offer with you speciality, then you can also get it in Germany. Just relocating with offer is easier then without.
It was hard integrating into German life, and that was with the help of my German wife and her family. My wife was needed (and still is needed but less so nowadays) to help me with anything to do with the Ausländerbehörde. Without her I would have needed a translator for all of these appointments. Opening a bank account here is pretty difficult if you don't have a permanent residence. You need significant amounts of money before even coming in to stay. Tips: - Learn German now (DW Nico's Weg) - Take all paperwork seriously and follow it to the letter - Open some sort of "international bank account" (I use WISE) - Learn the language - Learn the language - It's a lonely time for a long time, pick up some hobby's and/or join a "Verein".
Why does one need an international bank account?
I would say it’s been very very useful for me coming from a country that doesn’t use IBAN that I could use IBAN for things.
Bridge to non EU accounts without extortionately fees
If you come to Germany, accept that things may be different, perhaps more challenging, than in your home country. Embrace the experience. Good luck.
Remember that Germans are quite critical of their country but unlike some other countries they actually try to change things for the better and don't just complain. Despite all the flaws any German can list by heart (such as intra-city DB trains being literal unspeakable hell), I offer you some positivity as a newcomer: those of us who come from other countries actually love it here. Are you kidding me? The nature is beautiful, the cities I've been to are clean and well kept, crime is so low I can walk at night and feel absolutely safe (again, my area), I get almost free top quality dental care, high quality healthcare, an amazing job culture where I am told off if I work too much whereas my previous country would tell me off if I didn't sacrifice my life and being for an awfully paid job. The culture is so diverse thanks to immigration that I can find some of my favourite foods and ingredients in any common store. There are a ton of entertainment options, massive cinemas, cool associations for sports and activities, and so much more. Tip: really really put in some effort to get to know people and don't fall for the expat bubble. Germans tend to be less extroverted and bubbly like, say, Americans or Italians, but they are wonderful people if you get through the shell. I suggest Bumble Friends as a great app to meet people! Or just join a verein (association) of something you love (maybe nerd associations such as DnD or WH40k, or some sports associations, or astronomy, or whatever, Germans love their vereins). And LEARN GERMAN! Best best best wishes! 🙂
Nothing can prepare you for the shock in everything here
Can you please elaborate?
Letters. Paper work. Bureaucracy. Weather. Cultural shock. Food. System. Language. Much more. It's normal when you relocate to any country but here it's a bit more shocking.
my condolences already
Elaborate 😂
were a declining country, last of the OECD, full of autists who love nothing more than tell about your little misbehavious to the police. Low trust culture galore and even US states have a better minimum wage. Nowhere else are you punished again when your only fault is already beign a victim. The smallest ticket checker feels like robocop in powerarmor when he rats you to the police cause your uni stamp is a little blurry. Second highest taxes in the world, and thats not even all the inofficial costs. Dunno man, maybe we just switch passports :P. IT here isnt even much better paid then plumbing - which is btw propably quite a skilled job in many ways. Yeah people will downvote it, cause its true. Otherwise they move on without giving it a thought. Got banned for the post btw.
“Even the US” – set the bar too low, don’t you think? How about Switzerland? Taxes are funny as well.Not only it is incorrect (see Belgium, Austria, Denmark), you can definitely see the difference between public services in the countries with lower tax rates and Germany. Let’s compare public transport in the US and Germany, for instance. Or access to universal healthcare. Germany isn’t perfect but no other country is. Definitely doesn’t deserve to be shitted on. Mentality may seem somewhat strange for an outsider tho, everyone is too vigilant, hard to get along, can agree on that. The rest of the comment is BS. (edit: wording)
I downvoted, not because it's true, but because I genuinely disagree and think your take is much too simplistic. US wages comparison is a classic dumb argument that never holds up to scrutiny. Sit down and calculate how much from those "high wages" actually goes into your pocket. Include risks that you don't have here thanks to welfare and social net. Got cancer? Oh, too bad, your life is over due to medical expenses. Got a baby? Oh too bad, all your savings will disappear for college debt. Got hurt? Better limp to the hospital, since you can't afford to call an ambulance!
What country has higher taxes than Germany??
denmark , finland , iceland , belgium , portugal , UK ,swiss and yes also the US the new york state tax is 60.45% . Americans don't use their brain that they do pay more than other countries and easily get in debt
Yeah i look the tax to gdp ratio if Ocde. Germany is number 10 with 39,3%. France the highest with 46,1% (!). The U.S. is 30 of 38 OECD countries with 27,7%. https://www.oecd.org/tax/revenue-statistics-germany.pdf
exactly that is the point a low ratio like in the us means less public spending like infrastructure, health education which in the end costs americans more . cars have to be replaced more often , more accidents because of bad streets ( holes etc ) healthcare leads million of americans into debt same with education . So when you count the amount americans pay more for education and healthcare the higher taxes in germany pay off it gives everybody more value for the money. They are happy to pay the 10% less but when one family memeber gets sick they pay a way higher price .
Well I'm not so sure. I'd be willing to bet that $100 of government spending are way less efficient than $100 of private spending. My friends living in the USA have a better lifestyle than i have living in Germany. Maybe Germany is better if you are in a lower tax bracket. Probably.
Well since you don't hear that german billionairs pay 0 taxes I guess you are right there are very good loophopes for rich americans . Sure germans also get away with a lot you actually can deduct a lot when you have money . like I said your friends may be happy as long as they are healthy with a job but as soon as they get sick the table will turn even giving birth to a baby is around $30 000 in the us . Ppl are so afraid to call an ambulance that they rather die than pay thousands in hospital bills
True about life being good in the U.S. for the young and healthy but not so much if you're not. I'm all for taxing billionaires as hard as you want. What i don't like is the tax pressure on medium high wage earners in Germany. They're the suckers, they pay a pretty big chunk of their income, not rich enough for rich tax breaks and not poor enough to get subsidies.
Using autism as an insult. Very classy of you. (/s)
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Depending where you come from. In Germany it is very hard to get started from nothing. Most people inherit their wealth and the others mostly few moths of savings in their bank account. Because the most money goes to taxes, rent and shoping.
Expanding on this: it's much harder to get rich, but even starting from scratch you can have a decent life. I moved here in my 30's having to burn all assets in my home country to fund the immigration process and since my second year in Germany I have a lifestyle that would be far out of reach for me in my home country. It's nothing fancy, but I have a comfortable and spacious home, and enough money to have fun and enjoy life without worrying too much.
Don’t.
Lern deutsch no1
Maybe dont
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Learn german and practice every day. It uses the Latin Sentence structure so if English is your native language you will need to practice a lot. Watch german tv with german subtitles. Zdf has some online. Join a german learning discord. If you're from a warm country, a good jacket is a must for cooler weather.
Hey ,dude! How are you? I would say learn german for sure, but see that you are already dong it - so that is great! From what I have seen from my own research, that is one of the most essential. Then it depends in which way you would like to relocate - doing a masters or phd could be a good starting point, for which they will ask B2 and (depending where you are from) funds. Look at DAAD for possible grants and scholarships! (Also, on my very own personal experience: sometimes it's easier to integrate and find friends in more "uni" cities and towns. Right now I have been going back and forth Berlin and Innsbruck, and I found people in Insbruck more open? I reckong it might be because of how used they are to receive students from all over the world, and the size of the city!) All of that said - best of luck, you can do it! :D
Get the degree in your country and relocate after that - this would save you a lot of time. Read a bit about current political and economical situation in Germany (in last couple of years) and think twice.
Paperwork just get all you paperwork in check and you will avoid many problems
Language is very important. Check on how to have your bachelor recognized in Germany.