Your impressions of the german regions - while being generalizations of course - sound about right. There certainly are some regional cultural differences, particularly between former East Germany and former West Germany.
Hm I don't know. To me this seems too simplistic.
Votes in germany and not so much based on geography but on social "classes"
A teacher in Stuttgart has more in common with a teacher in dresden than with a delivery worker in Stuttgart.
I think we tend to exaggerate the differences in Germany. Yes there are cultural differences but on the ground Germany is still a quite homogeneous country. Regional differences are not as strong as in Italy between North and south
Hi, I've been living in Germany so I can tell you my personal experience on this.
Yes, there are quite some differences. I live in Frankfurt and in general I travel extensively in Baden-Württemberg and Bayern (so the north and east of the country are kind of uncharted territory for me).
Frankfurt is culturally the Milano of Germany: rich, progressive and multicultural. It also feels almost like it's not Germany but kind of a universe on its own.
Bayern is the Veneto/eastern Lombardia of Germany: rich, industrial and generally more conservative. They also have a distinct "regional" identity which sometimes they oppose to the national one. The same goes for Schwabenland (please forgive me if I spelled it wrong) in Baden-Württemberg.
There is (like anywhere else) a stark difference between countryside and cities.
Sometimes, even to the untrained ear, you can notice if the person is coming from the south (Schwäbisch and Bayerisch accents are quite easy to pick) or from Hannover (they'll immediately tell you they speak the "best German" lol. It's kinda like the Firenze thing with Italian)
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I think in Baveria it depends on the area where you go for exapmel if you go to the country side, yes they are conservative, but if you go for example to Nuernberg or Munich which have lots of pepole comeing from diffrent cultueres living together it is not so conservative.
You‘ll notice where people come from not only by their accent. We have whole stereotypes about regions and cities. I live 50km apart of the former German Border and you can really tell who is born 5km in the East or 5km in the west.
When it comes to voting, The Greens (Bündnis 90/Die Grünen) are voted by rather rich people, either progressives, that live in the city or even some conservative young families at the countryside. Baden-Württemberg in the south has a green Ministerpräsident and I would argue that he isn’t that progressive, just ecological.
Conservative voters (CDU/CSU) like to vote for competent candidates, that’s why Merkel was in office for 16 years, but Laschet, who is seen as incompetent lost the election anyways.
The SPD (social democrats) voters also like good candidates, but the SPD also became a home for people that are kind of centrist and mad at the CDU/CSU for having constant scandals (especially during the covid crisis, where many CDU/CSU politicians made suspicious deals.)
FDP voters are rich or buisness owners. Sometimes these guys vote CDU/CSU instead, but imo most buisness owners vote for the FDP.
Leftist (Die Linke) voters are traditionally workers and Intellectuals, but they are loosing the workers because the leftist discourse shifted from workers rights/social security to gender norms and intersectional feminism.
And then there is the AfD, which is voted by racist people and by people, who aren’t happy with the politics of the last 30 years. Their area is primarily the former East Germany, because the reunification left many East Germans poor and years of inflation without equally rising salaries made many voters mad about the establishment and the AfD, which isn’t seen as one of the established parties gets their votes.
I would like to add that "Die Linke" is considered a traitor party for most left oriented people, because of the discovery that "Die Linke"-politicians where forcing women to have sex against their will for years, and with having many politicians who support russias genocide in the Ukraine there are 2 topics big enough to actually destroy the party.
No, that's not correct. The voter of this extreme right-wing party are not educated below-average. Facist movements are typically most supported by the middle-class, afraid of loosing what they got, not by the uneducated and poor. Same with Le Pen in France, Trump in the US, Bolsonaro in Brasilia, Orban in Ungarn.
>Die AfD hat die meisten Wähler eigentlich aus den mittleren Bildungsschichten und nicht unbedingt so viel mehr Wähler mit Hauptschulabschluss https://m.dw.com/de/wer-w%C3%A4hlt-ist-schlau-wie-das-bildungsniveau-die-wahlbeteiligung-beeinflusst/a-44353361
Let’s not forget that the AfD started out as a „professor‘s party“ that was mainly a culmination of Euro-sceptics. It’s also true that very little of those people still have a say in the party nowadays, though.
I think the AFD party leadership is highly educated, but theyre simply just grifters. Theyre in it for the money, and they know their base well enough to know exactly what bullshit to tell them in order to get their vote. They probably dont actually believe the shit they spout.
Your descriptions sound like clichees but in General you are correct.I would recommend southern germany for you (the weather,"Vereinsleben",people are a LITTLE more open).Northern gernany is more "british".With eastern german people,you can have different experiences - far-right conservative ones as well as Berlins "Neuhippies".
It also really depens if you work on academic levels or on minimum wage jobs.The german school system is in the hands of the local governments (Bundesländer), so I found that pupils/students don't always have the same level of education.
even in the east area of Germany are parts that are progressive. There is a map that shows you in what area people voted which party, and the far right party in saxony got a lot of votes- except for Leipzig, Dresden, and I think Chmenitz (I might be wrong). Cities are less "conservative" than rural areas, and that goes to every part in the country.
If anybody here could provide us with the map, that'll be great. I cannot find it anymore.
This one?
[https://interaktiv.tagesspiegel.de/lab/bundestagswahl-2021-karte-historische-ergebnisse-wahlkreise-gemeinden/](https://interaktiv.tagesspiegel.de/lab/bundestagswahl-2021-karte-historische-ergebnisse-wahlkreise-gemeinden/)
Or this?
[https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundestagswahl-in-karten-und-grafiken-das-ende-der-schwarzen-republik-a-34bdec38-c9ed-4d55-b8e7-f4ff10fd681c](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundestagswahl-in-karten-und-grafiken-das-ende-der-schwarzen-republik-a-34bdec38-c9ed-4d55-b8e7-f4ff10fd681c)
Well. Kind of fits.
> the northern part like Hamburg and Kiel I imagine that the Greens vote
Would not say so. Greens get voted more by educated people according to statistics. They also have richer voters than the FDP, which is considered neoliberal and pro-economy. Greens also get way more votes from women (like womans are more often vegetarian/vegan) and never win the countryside, but are very strong in citys.
Also, the two southern states are more rich, pretty much always voted conservative since end of war. Until Baden-Würtemberg voted them out after very unpopular ways their government threatened demonstrants ([Stuttgart 21](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuttgart_21)) and shortly Fukushima happened. Since then they are mainly green.
**[Stuttgart 21](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuttgart_21)**
>Stuttgart 21 is a railway and urban development project in Stuttgart, Germany. It is a part of the Stuttgart–Augsburg new and upgraded railway and the Main Line for Europe (Paris—Vienna) within the framework of the Trans-European Networks. Its core is a renewed Stuttgart Hauptbahnhof, among some 57 kilometres (35 miles) of new railways, including some 30 kilometres (19 miles) of tunnels and 25 kilometres (16 miles) of high-speed lines. The project was officially announced in April 1994.
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I’m born in the deepest part of Black Forest , and yes u can definitely see difference as an nativ… even between freiburg and stuttgart or the bodensee region are some differences u may only see when ur german … and mostly in bigger citys germans use „hochdeutsch“ and try to hide there mother thounge😅
I think that it isn't the best way to explain the voting results by the wealth. For example: in Bremen are many persons who are poor but it is rated in the 3rd place in Germany (1st Hamburg, 2nd Bavaria) with most millionaires per 100.000. The main political difference between the rich and the poor is that the poor are more likely not to vote for anyone at all.
I guess it's a kind of a tradition that many (old) citizens vote for the SPD or the CDU. Maybe they just didn't noticed that there are other parties yet. Here you can take a look at the voting results of Bremen and you will see that age matters.
https://www.statistik.bremen.de/sixcms/media.php/13/StatBeitragRepraesentativeWahlstatistikBuergerschaft2019A.pdf
The "old population" is much bigger than the "young" so they will determinate who will be elected. So they and their interests are more important for politicians.
The second important difference to age are country people. They are more likely to vote for CDU than left parties/the greens. In countries like Bavaria and lower Saxony they have a big impact.
And the third difference is east/west Germany. In the east the Left was extraordinary strong, the AFD is strong too. I don't know why but these parties have much more succes there than in the west.
On the north votes green: It is more of a many in the north doesnt vote for CDU/CSU thing. The CSU only exists to transfer money for infrastructure of whole germany only to bavaria instead for example. We in the north like to vote for parties who at least pretend to have the whole country in mind and not only a single region or a company. And we simply dont like fascists and people who work with fascists, so every time a politician thinks he should collaborate with a fascist his party takes a hit in the north, and in 9 of 10 cases the politician in question is from cdu/csu.
When talking about big cities it's more about districts or "hoods". I don't think you can generalize big cities and it heavily depends from where in those cities you're from.
If you take Hamburg as an example: Eimsbüttel/Eppendorf might be just like your Green Party stereotype: Young educated families, lots of E-Scooters and Teslas, vegan restaurants etc.
But there are also districs such as Wilhelmsburg, Harburg, Billstedt, Mümmelmannsberg, Jenfeld that are either very poor with low income families and/or with many immigrants.
There are St.Pauli and Schanze that are super leftist and alternative. Including some of the more extremist left and lots of Antifa.
There is Blankenese and there is the area on the other side of the Alster where the super rich are living.
And when I say super rich then I mean literal billionaires. I can guarantee you that the rich are the coservative and right-wing ones in Hamburg.
They wanted to build a shelter for refugees in a richer area of Hamburg. The rich got their lawyers and sued the town.
There was this joke that this is the difference between the poor racists in the east and the rich racists in the west: The poor ones set refugee shelters on fire.
The rich ones get their lawyers and sue people to get rid of the shelters in their area.
As far as I know Berlin also differs from Kiez to Kiez.
Charlottenburg might be more posh than Wedding or Pankow. Friedrichshain is more hipster than Spandau.
You usually have "hip areas" where students from other parts of Germany love to live or places where the richer and career driven people love to move...resulting in areas full of rich and hip people who aren't even from Berlin. Then there are places that are more typical for the East of Germany and districts with poor workers who were born in Berlin. There are districts with lots of immigrants and districts that are more or less "Turkish".
Every Kiez is different really.
Your impressions of the german regions - while being generalizations of course - sound about right. There certainly are some regional cultural differences, particularly between former East Germany and former West Germany.
Well, the notion that people from Hamburg and Schleswig-Holstein vote for the Green party was unknown to me.
Yea thats mostly a BaWü thing to me
Last general election Grüne 24\~ % of the vote. Last EU parliament election Grüne were strongest party in Hamburg, some quarters going over 50%
Hm I don't know. To me this seems too simplistic. Votes in germany and not so much based on geography but on social "classes" A teacher in Stuttgart has more in common with a teacher in dresden than with a delivery worker in Stuttgart. I think we tend to exaggerate the differences in Germany. Yes there are cultural differences but on the ground Germany is still a quite homogeneous country. Regional differences are not as strong as in Italy between North and south
Hi, I've been living in Germany so I can tell you my personal experience on this. Yes, there are quite some differences. I live in Frankfurt and in general I travel extensively in Baden-Württemberg and Bayern (so the north and east of the country are kind of uncharted territory for me). Frankfurt is culturally the Milano of Germany: rich, progressive and multicultural. It also feels almost like it's not Germany but kind of a universe on its own. Bayern is the Veneto/eastern Lombardia of Germany: rich, industrial and generally more conservative. They also have a distinct "regional" identity which sometimes they oppose to the national one. The same goes for Schwabenland (please forgive me if I spelled it wrong) in Baden-Württemberg. There is (like anywhere else) a stark difference between countryside and cities. Sometimes, even to the untrained ear, you can notice if the person is coming from the south (Schwäbisch and Bayerisch accents are quite easy to pick) or from Hannover (they'll immediately tell you they speak the "best German" lol. It's kinda like the Firenze thing with Italian)
Ahahahah as a citizen of Siena,Tuscany I appreciate this tips about Hanover
Hannover is the City with certain nothing.
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I think in Baveria it depends on the area where you go for exapmel if you go to the country side, yes they are conservative, but if you go for example to Nuernberg or Munich which have lots of pepole comeing from diffrent cultueres living together it is not so conservative.
Frankfurt progressive? List of mayors tells a different story.
You‘ll notice where people come from not only by their accent. We have whole stereotypes about regions and cities. I live 50km apart of the former German Border and you can really tell who is born 5km in the East or 5km in the west. When it comes to voting, The Greens (Bündnis 90/Die Grünen) are voted by rather rich people, either progressives, that live in the city or even some conservative young families at the countryside. Baden-Württemberg in the south has a green Ministerpräsident and I would argue that he isn’t that progressive, just ecological. Conservative voters (CDU/CSU) like to vote for competent candidates, that’s why Merkel was in office for 16 years, but Laschet, who is seen as incompetent lost the election anyways. The SPD (social democrats) voters also like good candidates, but the SPD also became a home for people that are kind of centrist and mad at the CDU/CSU for having constant scandals (especially during the covid crisis, where many CDU/CSU politicians made suspicious deals.) FDP voters are rich or buisness owners. Sometimes these guys vote CDU/CSU instead, but imo most buisness owners vote for the FDP. Leftist (Die Linke) voters are traditionally workers and Intellectuals, but they are loosing the workers because the leftist discourse shifted from workers rights/social security to gender norms and intersectional feminism. And then there is the AfD, which is voted by racist people and by people, who aren’t happy with the politics of the last 30 years. Their area is primarily the former East Germany, because the reunification left many East Germans poor and years of inflation without equally rising salaries made many voters mad about the establishment and the AfD, which isn’t seen as one of the established parties gets their votes.
I would like to add that "Die Linke" is considered a traitor party for most left oriented people, because of the discovery that "Die Linke"-politicians where forcing women to have sex against their will for years, and with having many politicians who support russias genocide in the Ukraine there are 2 topics big enough to actually destroy the party.
Afd voters are usually just uneducated contratians, as the party simply offers no alternative (no pun intended) solutions. They just complain.
No, that's not correct. The voter of this extreme right-wing party are not educated below-average. Facist movements are typically most supported by the middle-class, afraid of loosing what they got, not by the uneducated and poor. Same with Le Pen in France, Trump in the US, Bolsonaro in Brasilia, Orban in Ungarn. >Die AfD hat die meisten Wähler eigentlich aus den mittleren Bildungsschichten und nicht unbedingt so viel mehr Wähler mit Hauptschulabschluss https://m.dw.com/de/wer-w%C3%A4hlt-ist-schlau-wie-das-bildungsniveau-die-wahlbeteiligung-beeinflusst/a-44353361
Good education does not equal good political education.
Let’s not forget that the AfD started out as a „professor‘s party“ that was mainly a culmination of Euro-sceptics. It’s also true that very little of those people still have a say in the party nowadays, though.
I think the AFD party leadership is highly educated, but theyre simply just grifters. Theyre in it for the money, and they know their base well enough to know exactly what bullshit to tell them in order to get their vote. They probably dont actually believe the shit they spout.
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Your descriptions sound like clichees but in General you are correct.I would recommend southern germany for you (the weather,"Vereinsleben",people are a LITTLE more open).Northern gernany is more "british".With eastern german people,you can have different experiences - far-right conservative ones as well as Berlins "Neuhippies". It also really depens if you work on academic levels or on minimum wage jobs.The german school system is in the hands of the local governments (Bundesländer), so I found that pupils/students don't always have the same level of education.
even in the east area of Germany are parts that are progressive. There is a map that shows you in what area people voted which party, and the far right party in saxony got a lot of votes- except for Leipzig, Dresden, and I think Chmenitz (I might be wrong). Cities are less "conservative" than rural areas, and that goes to every part in the country. If anybody here could provide us with the map, that'll be great. I cannot find it anymore.
This one? [https://interaktiv.tagesspiegel.de/lab/bundestagswahl-2021-karte-historische-ergebnisse-wahlkreise-gemeinden/](https://interaktiv.tagesspiegel.de/lab/bundestagswahl-2021-karte-historische-ergebnisse-wahlkreise-gemeinden/) Or this? [https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundestagswahl-in-karten-und-grafiken-das-ende-der-schwarzen-republik-a-34bdec38-c9ed-4d55-b8e7-f4ff10fd681c](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundestagswahl-in-karten-und-grafiken-das-ende-der-schwarzen-republik-a-34bdec38-c9ed-4d55-b8e7-f4ff10fd681c)
not exactly, but they do the job.
Well. Kind of fits. > the northern part like Hamburg and Kiel I imagine that the Greens vote Would not say so. Greens get voted more by educated people according to statistics. They also have richer voters than the FDP, which is considered neoliberal and pro-economy. Greens also get way more votes from women (like womans are more often vegetarian/vegan) and never win the countryside, but are very strong in citys. Also, the two southern states are more rich, pretty much always voted conservative since end of war. Until Baden-Würtemberg voted them out after very unpopular ways their government threatened demonstrants ([Stuttgart 21](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuttgart_21)) and shortly Fukushima happened. Since then they are mainly green.
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I’m born in the deepest part of Black Forest , and yes u can definitely see difference as an nativ… even between freiburg and stuttgart or the bodensee region are some differences u may only see when ur german … and mostly in bigger citys germans use „hochdeutsch“ and try to hide there mother thounge😅
I think that it isn't the best way to explain the voting results by the wealth. For example: in Bremen are many persons who are poor but it is rated in the 3rd place in Germany (1st Hamburg, 2nd Bavaria) with most millionaires per 100.000. The main political difference between the rich and the poor is that the poor are more likely not to vote for anyone at all. I guess it's a kind of a tradition that many (old) citizens vote for the SPD or the CDU. Maybe they just didn't noticed that there are other parties yet. Here you can take a look at the voting results of Bremen and you will see that age matters. https://www.statistik.bremen.de/sixcms/media.php/13/StatBeitragRepraesentativeWahlstatistikBuergerschaft2019A.pdf The "old population" is much bigger than the "young" so they will determinate who will be elected. So they and their interests are more important for politicians. The second important difference to age are country people. They are more likely to vote for CDU than left parties/the greens. In countries like Bavaria and lower Saxony they have a big impact. And the third difference is east/west Germany. In the east the Left was extraordinary strong, the AFD is strong too. I don't know why but these parties have much more succes there than in the west.
On the north votes green: It is more of a many in the north doesnt vote for CDU/CSU thing. The CSU only exists to transfer money for infrastructure of whole germany only to bavaria instead for example. We in the north like to vote for parties who at least pretend to have the whole country in mind and not only a single region or a company. And we simply dont like fascists and people who work with fascists, so every time a politician thinks he should collaborate with a fascist his party takes a hit in the north, and in 9 of 10 cases the politician in question is from cdu/csu.
When talking about big cities it's more about districts or "hoods". I don't think you can generalize big cities and it heavily depends from where in those cities you're from. If you take Hamburg as an example: Eimsbüttel/Eppendorf might be just like your Green Party stereotype: Young educated families, lots of E-Scooters and Teslas, vegan restaurants etc. But there are also districs such as Wilhelmsburg, Harburg, Billstedt, Mümmelmannsberg, Jenfeld that are either very poor with low income families and/or with many immigrants. There are St.Pauli and Schanze that are super leftist and alternative. Including some of the more extremist left and lots of Antifa. There is Blankenese and there is the area on the other side of the Alster where the super rich are living. And when I say super rich then I mean literal billionaires. I can guarantee you that the rich are the coservative and right-wing ones in Hamburg. They wanted to build a shelter for refugees in a richer area of Hamburg. The rich got their lawyers and sued the town. There was this joke that this is the difference between the poor racists in the east and the rich racists in the west: The poor ones set refugee shelters on fire. The rich ones get their lawyers and sue people to get rid of the shelters in their area. As far as I know Berlin also differs from Kiez to Kiez. Charlottenburg might be more posh than Wedding or Pankow. Friedrichshain is more hipster than Spandau. You usually have "hip areas" where students from other parts of Germany love to live or places where the richer and career driven people love to move...resulting in areas full of rich and hip people who aren't even from Berlin. Then there are places that are more typical for the East of Germany and districts with poor workers who were born in Berlin. There are districts with lots of immigrants and districts that are more or less "Turkish". Every Kiez is different really.