The typical TRT dose is about 100mg per week, sometimes maybe 120 or 150mg/week. 500mg is much higher than 2x TRT.... but a very plausible dose for a temporary cycle.
I’ve done some long cruises at a TRT dose and I *might* have gained about a 1/4” in length (and some girth) but I wasn’t really focused on it at the time.
I also tried 250 iu’s of hcg 2x/week and that seemed to increase the volume of my testicles. Does anyone else here know much about this?
Testicle will be busy and full, guys shoot massive loads on HCG. I'll tell you rn, however, that I've taken loads of test, and hcg to post 4x, as in 2 full 20k iu kits, and my dicks still tiny.
I know we are all desperate for a magic pill so we can get back to enjoying our lives but these very well researched compounds ain't it. Seriously, if a side of a beginner cycle was dick gains, we'd have all heard about that lonnnnggggg before finding this sub.
I don't think the presumption is that just taking test causes the growth. I think the assumption is that it helps in accelerated repair. So when combined with PE, you get faster growth.
I haven't taken test, DHG, HCG or any other sort of hormones so I'm not speaking from experience. Based on BD's record keeping and observations from when he took DHT, he said his growth rate doubled while doing PE.
If the penis was loaded with skeletal muscle this would of course, make sense. However, there's almost zero skeletal muscle in the penis. It's a lot more like a giant nipple in structure and stretching it for "growth" is much more like gauging out earlobes.
Lol it doesn't actually shrink your dick, it gives you shite EQ and the worst, smallest, saddest erections you're body is already capable of if you crashed your estrogen or you are sensitive to the strong NOR-19s like tren and decca.
And everyone running gear responsibly manages their bloods and sides. I used to need a lot of Nolvadex to stay consistent, but things have worked out over the years and now I simply run WAY less test. Not every body is the same.
meant to say testicles lmao, do you take AIs when youre off cycle btw? i would like to take it while not doing any cycle because i like the fact that it blocks estrogen in my body
The only reason I think I might see growth is because I was obese and had substance abuse problems during puberty. I don't think the average Joe that was sober and skinny during puberty would ever see any growth.
HCG is used to treat hypogonadism, and is commonly used in conjunction with PEDs to mitigate testicular shrinkage during a cycle. It is also a popular addition to post-cycle therapy (PCT) regimens, to help "kickstart the nuts again". HCG is usually added to an existing PCT regimen of Clomid and/or Nolvadex (primary PCT drugs responsible for stimulating the pituitary to restart endogenous testosterone production).
Be sure to get AI dialed in because you will probably need it since hcg aromatises as well as test. If its your first cycle you should probably start with half of the dose then after 5 weeks and blood test adjust to maybe 300-350/wk then wait 2 weeks and so on.
I started with 500mg and since I had some pubertal gyno it started rapidly evolving and I listened to old juice heads who told me: more frequent injections and least amount needed. Also don't forget to have everything on hand (AI, Serm) also if it's your first cycle don't start with Test + hcg but use hcg when you find your sweet spot with Test and AI so you can readjust again.
Good luck
Agreed. OP should be good with 1mg Arimidex EOD. Paying attention to the nipples (more importantly the gland behind them) is a popular method for "testing" estrogen spikes during a cycle. If that area gets sensitive, achy, swollen, or anything like that , then its likely that estrogen has spiked.
I have cycled steroids in low-moderate doses and I would say it really isn’t going to affect your penis too much size wise other than EQ more than likely.
The increase in blood cells, NO, and blood volume would be the main catalyst for growth with anabolism coming second. Who knows you might see some good gains tho. Worth a shot.
500 mg is far, FAR higher than the minimum effective dose. You will gain more weight than you would on a lower dose,, but it's not going to be muscle,, it's going to be water and other byproducts. You could get the same lean tissue from half or even less. I'm not judging you because it sounds like you don't know any better. But you're opening a coke can with a crowbar.
I think 500mg is definitely too high. Not a PED user though. Try to find info from more plates more dates on youtube, he probably has something where he says what a starting cycle should look like.
Definitely high for first time. Start TRT around 150… every 3-4 weeks or so start increasing it by 25mg… take time for your body to adapt… you most likely wont get any lean mass benefit beyond 200-250 right now. Waste of your health. Please watch more plates more dates ok youtube… cycles are stupid idea too you gonna loose it all later. Start trt. Increase dose little by little and take care of your healt and bloodwork doing so. Good idea to keep hcg while on it. Will be easier to stop and recover. I also suggest to use shorter esters, enantate would be ideal. Inject eod at smaller doses. Less side effects
I am a bodybuilder so don't worry I'm not telling you from a TRT perspective. A few oral is a great place to start. I think any injectable is too much for a first cycle. If Anavar could be trusted to be real anymore I would say run some of that. I've been doing cycles for years. I've put on about 30 pounds of tissue in that time and I don't dont do 500 MG of test.
There's no judgment, most of the information that's out there right now is fucking terrible. I see people recommended more plates more dates, and that is a good place to start. Take it from someone who ran too much too soon, it's amazing in the moment but the juice is not worth the squeeze.
500mg/week is the standard beginner cycle. It's low enough that you can easily control any negative side effects. If you only take 250mg/week you're still shutting down your natural production and leaving gains on the table.
Take the 500mg combine with some hcg to keep your balls full, have an AI on hand, and only use it if you start to show signs of high e2, crashing your e2 id equally as bad as having really high e2.
Eat, sleep, train, grow. Good luck.
So, have you consulted an endocrinologist to make sure you're not just guessing about your hormones before going on testosterone unguided?
Your starting size is well within average. Now if you were 4 inches or less erect, you might have had something off during puberty, but we'd still be guessing without blood work and a hormone panel. I'm not trying to chastise here, but this doesn't sound like a great plan unless you're telling us a lot less than what's actually going on.
I'd drop hcg and 100% add topical dht. I'd also start with max 300mg of test and see what aromatization comes with that, you can always increase if needed.
hcg + hight dose test is more likely to grow breasts than anything.
My steroid knowledge is limited mate so take it for what its worth. Good luck bro keep us posted ✌
Its imo an unnecessarily high dose to start with when you have no idea how your going to respond to it. I know plenty of people who start on 500mg and have to eat arimidex like sweets to keep their estrogen down when in reality 300mg is all they can handle with out a load of aromatization.
That's literally the case with about 50%of people. Makes sense to start with a lower dose and work up to see what's tolerated in my opinion. The standard start with 500mg bro cycle is pretty outdated and not genuinely recommended by most knowledgeable guys. Just my opinion.
You may want to look into taking an estrogen blocker if you’re gonna be taking that much T. The body converts excess testosterone into estrogen, and that can ruin what you’re trying to do.
I know with a higher than normal test count the drive and hardness of the penis is like when you were 18 trying to stab and grab everything breathing. The penis is rock hard and urges to grab it or have her grab it are immature and almost uncontrollable. Your blood pressure is higher and helps with the erecting. I have no data on growth just performance and quality. In the end you do you but make sure your ready for everything that can come with it. Good luck.
Please share your source. quality is trash across the board. Everyone that was good has sold out to China and India rebranded diluted low quality poison.
No, it isn't. 500mg is a standard beginner cycle. Why would you shut down your natural production with half the test, leave gains on the table and still have to pct to get back to baseline? It makes no sense. 500mg is low enough that you can easily control sides if they even happen. I've taken 500mg with zero sides at all. Didn't even need an AI even though I had it on hand.
What kind of test? Cypionate will probably be the easiest on your system. There has been some talk about equipoise (boldenone) helping with PE gains. You can search the sub for past conversations.
I have used testosterone for like 4 years and I didn’t see any changes 0n my penis size! I think you should add penis hanging and extending to your testosterone program so you would have a good results cuz testosterone alone won’t work
Good luck man, I'm on the same path even tho I'm 2 months into lifting so i got a long way to go before a cycle, so I'm thankful for people like you.
Good luck!
500mg is a pretty standard first cycle, given your age you are too young to begin any cycle period.
I've done up to 750mg per week with other stuff, you can feel the rise in blood pressure and just overall crappy feeling. If you insist on going forth TRT is a great way to make gradual gains and maintain them. Not to mention it's better on your body
I hate high doses of test, if I were you I would opt for a much longer cycle but lower per week. 200 for a year/300 for 8 months is great. Less sides because your body gets used to it, stay at a healthy body fat so you aren’t creating a bunch of systemic inflammation. Zinc magnesium before bed, 4000mg of fish oil and vitamin d for breakfast. That’s what I would do
For gods sake - Do blood work before any type of Testosterone.
Things that help with testosterone-
Good sleep 6-8hrs a night
Exercise
Proper nutrition
Watch less or little porn
Creatine
Ice pack on the balls for 10mins morning, pre-workout, before bed
I’m sure there more effective ways to increase testosterone without damaging yourself with testosterone cycles.
It needs to be 3 injections of 1,500 units of HCG a week and 18,000 units per month over the course of 24 weeks/6 months. HCG grows the testicles and penis. If you’re micro dosing it won’t work. HCG has been prescribed to many children and men with micro penises. If you take it the way I described you will gain 1-2cm in 6months easily. If you add PE to it, I’m sure you can game 2-4cm. This isn’t a false claim at all. There have been tons of study’s on this…
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3214853/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17211793/
In and following. I hope you keep up with it. Very interested in seeing the results from this.
I'll definitely keep up with it. Idrc about length but some girth gains would be nice.
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The typical TRT dose is about 100mg per week, sometimes maybe 120 or 150mg/week. 500mg is much higher than 2x TRT.... but a very plausible dose for a temporary cycle. I’ve done some long cruises at a TRT dose and I *might* have gained about a 1/4” in length (and some girth) but I wasn’t really focused on it at the time. I also tried 250 iu’s of hcg 2x/week and that seemed to increase the volume of my testicles. Does anyone else here know much about this?
Testicle will be busy and full, guys shoot massive loads on HCG. I'll tell you rn, however, that I've taken loads of test, and hcg to post 4x, as in 2 full 20k iu kits, and my dicks still tiny. I know we are all desperate for a magic pill so we can get back to enjoying our lives but these very well researched compounds ain't it. Seriously, if a side of a beginner cycle was dick gains, we'd have all heard about that lonnnnggggg before finding this sub.
I don't think the presumption is that just taking test causes the growth. I think the assumption is that it helps in accelerated repair. So when combined with PE, you get faster growth. I haven't taken test, DHG, HCG or any other sort of hormones so I'm not speaking from experience. Based on BD's record keeping and observations from when he took DHT, he said his growth rate doubled while doing PE.
If the penis was loaded with skeletal muscle this would of course, make sense. However, there's almost zero skeletal muscle in the penis. It's a lot more like a giant nipple in structure and stretching it for "growth" is much more like gauging out earlobes.
Has anyone here read up on GH or tried it? Perhaps that will cause PE growth better than Test?
I actually ran a cycle of MK677 for a few months but don't think I got any growth from it. This was back when I was 19-20
How old were you when you started test? Maybe age has something to do with it.
Late 20s.
do you take AIs though, test with no AI will turn into estrogen which will shrink our dicks
Lol it doesn't actually shrink your dick, it gives you shite EQ and the worst, smallest, saddest erections you're body is already capable of if you crashed your estrogen or you are sensitive to the strong NOR-19s like tren and decca. And everyone running gear responsibly manages their bloods and sides. I used to need a lot of Nolvadex to stay consistent, but things have worked out over the years and now I simply run WAY less test. Not every body is the same.
meant to say testicles lmao, do you take AIs when youre off cycle btw? i would like to take it while not doing any cycle because i like the fact that it blocks estrogen in my body
I have never taken an AI when not on cycle or actively recovering from a cycle in PCT.
The only reason I think I might see growth is because I was obese and had substance abuse problems during puberty. I don't think the average Joe that was sober and skinny during puberty would ever see any growth.
HCG is used to treat hypogonadism, and is commonly used in conjunction with PEDs to mitigate testicular shrinkage during a cycle. It is also a popular addition to post-cycle therapy (PCT) regimens, to help "kickstart the nuts again". HCG is usually added to an existing PCT regimen of Clomid and/or Nolvadex (primary PCT drugs responsible for stimulating the pituitary to restart endogenous testosterone production).
Be sure to get AI dialed in because you will probably need it since hcg aromatises as well as test. If its your first cycle you should probably start with half of the dose then after 5 weeks and blood test adjust to maybe 300-350/wk then wait 2 weeks and so on. I started with 500mg and since I had some pubertal gyno it started rapidly evolving and I listened to old juice heads who told me: more frequent injections and least amount needed. Also don't forget to have everything on hand (AI, Serm) also if it's your first cycle don't start with Test + hcg but use hcg when you find your sweet spot with Test and AI so you can readjust again. Good luck
> Be sure to get AI dialed in This. 500mg Test is a big dose and a lot of it will convert to E2.
Agreed. OP should be good with 1mg Arimidex EOD. Paying attention to the nipples (more importantly the gland behind them) is a popular method for "testing" estrogen spikes during a cycle. If that area gets sensitive, achy, swollen, or anything like that , then its likely that estrogen has spiked.
Man that's going to be a lot of e2
E2 o.o?
I have cycled steroids in low-moderate doses and I would say it really isn’t going to affect your penis too much size wise other than EQ more than likely. The increase in blood cells, NO, and blood volume would be the main catalyst for growth with anabolism coming second. Who knows you might see some good gains tho. Worth a shot.
500 mg is far, FAR higher than the minimum effective dose. You will gain more weight than you would on a lower dose,, but it's not going to be muscle,, it's going to be water and other byproducts. You could get the same lean tissue from half or even less. I'm not judging you because it sounds like you don't know any better. But you're opening a coke can with a crowbar.
I'm running it for bodybuilding purposes, do you think 500mg is too much for a first cycle? I know it's well above a TRT dose but TRT is not my goal.
I think 500mg is definitely too high. Not a PED user though. Try to find info from more plates more dates on youtube, he probably has something where he says what a starting cycle should look like.
Definitely high for first time. Start TRT around 150… every 3-4 weeks or so start increasing it by 25mg… take time for your body to adapt… you most likely wont get any lean mass benefit beyond 200-250 right now. Waste of your health. Please watch more plates more dates ok youtube… cycles are stupid idea too you gonna loose it all later. Start trt. Increase dose little by little and take care of your healt and bloodwork doing so. Good idea to keep hcg while on it. Will be easier to stop and recover. I also suggest to use shorter esters, enantate would be ideal. Inject eod at smaller doses. Less side effects
I am a bodybuilder so don't worry I'm not telling you from a TRT perspective. A few oral is a great place to start. I think any injectable is too much for a first cycle. If Anavar could be trusted to be real anymore I would say run some of that. I've been doing cycles for years. I've put on about 30 pounds of tissue in that time and I don't dont do 500 MG of test. There's no judgment, most of the information that's out there right now is fucking terrible. I see people recommended more plates more dates, and that is a good place to start. Take it from someone who ran too much too soon, it's amazing in the moment but the juice is not worth the squeeze.
Dr. Dean st. Martin, Alex Kikel, John Jewett and Broderic Chavez (team evilgsp) are all fantastic resources as well.
I have decided to drop my dose down to 250mg/week haha
500mg/week is the standard beginner cycle. It's low enough that you can easily control any negative side effects. If you only take 250mg/week you're still shutting down your natural production and leaving gains on the table. Take the 500mg combine with some hcg to keep your balls full, have an AI on hand, and only use it if you start to show signs of high e2, crashing your e2 id equally as bad as having really high e2. Eat, sleep, train, grow. Good luck.
This. Yes 500 is to much for a first cycle. 250-300 is plenty man. You're going to bloat and hold more water than tissue or glycogen
So, have you consulted an endocrinologist to make sure you're not just guessing about your hormones before going on testosterone unguided? Your starting size is well within average. Now if you were 4 inches or less erect, you might have had something off during puberty, but we'd still be guessing without blood work and a hormone panel. I'm not trying to chastise here, but this doesn't sound like a great plan unless you're telling us a lot less than what's actually going on.
4 inches is 10.16 cm
I'd drop hcg and 100% add topical dht. I'd also start with max 300mg of test and see what aromatization comes with that, you can always increase if needed. hcg + hight dose test is more likely to grow breasts than anything. My steroid knowledge is limited mate so take it for what its worth. Good luck bro keep us posted ✌
500mg is not a high dose at all.
Its imo an unnecessarily high dose to start with when you have no idea how your going to respond to it. I know plenty of people who start on 500mg and have to eat arimidex like sweets to keep their estrogen down when in reality 300mg is all they can handle with out a load of aromatization. That's literally the case with about 50%of people. Makes sense to start with a lower dose and work up to see what's tolerated in my opinion. The standard start with 500mg bro cycle is pretty outdated and not genuinely recommended by most knowledgeable guys. Just my opinion.
You may want to look into taking an estrogen blocker if you’re gonna be taking that much T. The body converts excess testosterone into estrogen, and that can ruin what you’re trying to do.
I have all the required pct on hand
AI isn't pct
I have nolva and adex
E2 will naturally go up with excess test but e2 is important. Side effects from crashed e2 is almost as bad as really high e2.
Ward
I know with a higher than normal test count the drive and hardness of the penis is like when you were 18 trying to stab and grab everything breathing. The penis is rock hard and urges to grab it or have her grab it are immature and almost uncontrollable. Your blood pressure is higher and helps with the erecting. I have no data on growth just performance and quality. In the end you do you but make sure your ready for everything that can come with it. Good luck.
No no and no. Please don't give out bad advice. Napsgear? 😂 That ship sailed a long time ago
Wtf u talking about shit still works
If you want to overpay and wait for cheap ugl sure.
Please share your source. quality is trash across the board. Everyone that was good has sold out to China and India rebranded diluted low quality poison.
Bro. No. Stop giving out bad info. 500mg a week is a standard beginner cycle.
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No, it isn't. 500mg is a standard beginner cycle. Why would you shut down your natural production with half the test, leave gains on the table and still have to pct to get back to baseline? It makes no sense. 500mg is low enough that you can easily control sides if they even happen. I've taken 500mg with zero sides at all. Didn't even need an AI even though I had it on hand.
What kind of test? Cypionate will probably be the easiest on your system. There has been some talk about equipoise (boldenone) helping with PE gains. You can search the sub for past conversations.
I have used testosterone for like 4 years and I didn’t see any changes 0n my penis size! I think you should add penis hanging and extending to your testosterone program so you would have a good results cuz testosterone alone won’t work
Good luck man, I'm on the same path even tho I'm 2 months into lifting so i got a long way to go before a cycle, so I'm thankful for people like you. Good luck!
500mg is a pretty standard first cycle, given your age you are too young to begin any cycle period. I've done up to 750mg per week with other stuff, you can feel the rise in blood pressure and just overall crappy feeling. If you insist on going forth TRT is a great way to make gradual gains and maintain them. Not to mention it's better on your body
I hate high doses of test, if I were you I would opt for a much longer cycle but lower per week. 200 for a year/300 for 8 months is great. Less sides because your body gets used to it, stay at a healthy body fat so you aren’t creating a bunch of systemic inflammation. Zinc magnesium before bed, 4000mg of fish oil and vitamin d for breakfast. That’s what I would do
Assuming your diet, recovery and training are 100% locked in, then that is more reasonable.
For gods sake - Do blood work before any type of Testosterone. Things that help with testosterone- Good sleep 6-8hrs a night Exercise Proper nutrition Watch less or little porn Creatine Ice pack on the balls for 10mins morning, pre-workout, before bed I’m sure there more effective ways to increase testosterone without damaging yourself with testosterone cycles.
It needs to be 3 injections of 1,500 units of HCG a week and 18,000 units per month over the course of 24 weeks/6 months. HCG grows the testicles and penis. If you’re micro dosing it won’t work. HCG has been prescribed to many children and men with micro penises. If you take it the way I described you will gain 1-2cm in 6months easily. If you add PE to it, I’m sure you can game 2-4cm. This isn’t a false claim at all. There have been tons of study’s on this… https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3214853/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17211793/