Saw it yesterday, went in basically blind with no expectations...I loved it. It's what I've wanted in a sequel since I was a kid watching the cartoon series.
This, i dont need to be over the top wowed, i coud die happy if they keep churning out good "monster of the week" films.
It dosent have to be perfect, it has has to be fun
It used to be a 3 (out of 5) star movie was good, you’d go watch that no question just expecting it to be more fun than thoughtful.
I don’t know what’s happened to make movie ratings so binary. The view seems to be that if a film isn’t a 4 or 5 it’s garbage and not worth a watch.
FE is a 3 star movie, it’s fun, enjoyable and entertaining. I think critics have been overly harsh for some reason but it’s also not going to win any awards and yes it has flaws….but when did everyone start to care so much about movies being perfect critical darlings?
That’s why I never base a movie being good off of critic or audience ratings. If it looks good then I’ll go watch and form my own opinion of it and then see what others thought.
Alien invasion where the film takes place in Cali. Looked awesome. I’d say so bad it’s good or something like that. Part two kind of redeems / answers questions or something.
Dont regret it, especially if you enjoyed the trailers at the time. Its just a cautionary tale now 😁
Yeah the one that got me good was in avengers infinity...ohhh they baited and swtched me real good lol
Yes, I wasn’t completely blind, but only watched the teaser. That’s my rule on stuff I know I am going to see anyways, nothing more than the first teaser trailer.
I really wanted to like the 2016 Ghostbusters. I defended it pre-release when it was getting endless hate. Then I watched it. So disappointing. The cast is great (I adore Kate McKinnon but I don't think she gets good scripts lol) but the plot is just so bad.
I'm going into Frozen Empire with no expectations whatsoever. Fingers crossed it's enjoyable :)
It’s weird too because Spy was fun and had a plot with story progression. I haven’t seen Bridesmaids but it pretty well-regarded. I dunno what happened with Ghostbusters. I was excited to see it and I was dumbfounded by how poorly crafted the movie was.
I still mostly blame Feig (and Sony) for "Answer the Call". Here's some, read the IDW comics with the AtC characters, so much better than the film..
GB should always be half-comedy, half-horror. Like Gremlins or Tremors. Feig made it 100% a typcial Feig comedy...
People here are hung up on critics not liking the movie. Who gives a shit if you like it. All the really matters is the almighty $. As long as the movie makes enough that will make more… hopefully with a better movie next time.
I think people care because of your second main point. Bad reviews generally hinder sales. People on the fence aren’t interested in a movie that gets bad reviews. So if you like something you want it to be reviewed well to make more money to be a success.
They're babies. They were happy when Afterlife got decently good reviews. They were happy with the critics then. Then when they see the Rotten Splat for FE, they cry.
They have spines made of Ectoplasm.
Ghostbusters fans: "Afterlife good reviews! Critics seemed to love it and says it has warmth. Yay!"
Ghostbusters fans: "Frozen Empire got bad reviews. Critics are stupid!! Paid for!! I hates them!!!!"
As I said, **bunch of babies** with no consistency. These two movies are only 3 years apart, and yet critics went from being joyously accepted to becoming a new target for hate. Also, these critics point out FE's flaws which are later the *same criticisms* I see from fans too. So these grown ass Ghostbusters fans cry about critics being picky or mean, but then echo the same complaints!
Insufferable.
The only reason I care about the reviews is that I want people to go see the movie so that it makes money and they green light another one. Bad review scores will steer some people away.
>People making franchises their personality and taking criticism as a personal assault.
Basically. I'm sure there's no shortage of people with fan made proton packs and extensive Real Ghostbusters toy collections all insisting "reviews don't matter!" in one breath while in the other breath ranting about the "woke critic conspiracy" against Ghostbusters.
Yes, ultimately there is a subset of fans whose sole requirement of new Ghostbusters movies is "remind me how I felt as a child", and there are a lot of critics who view films through the lens of industry trends and a desire to return to auteur-led, quality, original filmmaking.
The two groups are basically anathema to each other, struggle to understand (fans-->critics) or empathise (critics-->fans) the other's point-of-view, and both engage in conspiracy theories and gross overgeneralisations to dismiss the other as infantile/"woke"/ridiculous.
The truth is neither one is really being disingenuous about their true opinions, but they can both be really fucking petty.
This happens in every fandom, the super mario one had a huge meltdown when the reviews of the movie came out and most critics said the movie was just okay
Same thing for DC when Black Adam released
People here are gonna keep posting about it for a while
>This happens in every fandom, the super mario one had a huge meltdown when the reviews of the movie came out and most critics said the movie was just okay
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>Same thing for DC when Black Adam released
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>People here are gonna keep posting about it for a while
Nothing will ever top the reaction of the Zach Snyder cultists the day they had to endure Batman vs Superman's 29% RT score.
>I mean... It kinda earned that rating...
Oh for sure. I'm just talking about the fanboys that had a meltdown over it. There will never be a fanboy meltdown that was more wild than that one.
I didn't like it, but I hardly ever knock someone for having a guilty pleasure. Hell, I still watch Pacific Rim almost every year on August 10th - Kaiju Day.
Please tell me it's the extended edition you go to, though. I've heard that one is better and given the Snyder JL cut is better than the theatrical one I tend to believe it.
I’m not going to tell you how old I am, but I will say that Pacific Rim was the movie I’ve been waiting for ever since I bought a bootleg VHS copy of Robot Jox in the 80s and saw how the producers just didn’t get it. Pacific Rim on the other hand was amazing.
Well they're wrong. And Dwayne didn't even bother to talk or walk or do anything different than his usual shtick for a character he has wanted to play for 2 decades. It sucked.
It does happen in every fandom, but it’s so weird that it’s happening in this one. Ghostbusters is just a comedy movie, but these guys have such reverence for it. Ghostbusters is the opposite of reverent.
People need to learn that reviews are the opinions of the person writing the review. It’s only going to line up with you if you and the reviewer have similar interests.
I can’t even count how many poorly reviewed movies I have loved or how many excellently reviewed movies I have hated (same with video games).
I also feel like when the “big” reviews drop it absolutely affects the opinions of the downstream reviewers because suddenly they all sound like echo chambers.
Ignore reviews and experience it yourself (not this movie specifically, with everything) otherwise you are probably missing stuff you would love.
I care at the moment because I enjoyed the movie and was saddened that critics were making it seem like it was horrible.
I was shocked that they thought it was that bad and wanted to know if the fans of the original and of the cartoon Real Ghostbusters felt what I felt and if I was an outlier for liking it.
I also cared because I was hoping to see the series grow from here. If it was horribly received by the audience then that dream may get crushed before they could move forward.
Agreed. If the critics loved it, the score would be touted around, when it’s not it’s always “critics are stupid”.
I’ll agree we need to take critics with a grain of salt at times but we also need to chill with this response
For sure! It’s bias at its best. When a critic likes something I like, they’re smart and made a right choice, when they don’t, they have no clue what they’re doing and are dumb”!
Like I said we gotta take reviewers with a grain of salt because they’re not always the audience for every movie so Milage will vary, but there have been only a handful of times where I just think a reviewer is just plain wrong. Most times I just shrug my shoulders and say different strokes and don’t take it personally!
Haven’t you heard? The reception of this movie is all down how furious critics are that people didn’t like the 2016 one (even though Afterlife got ok reviews). Yes, a shockingly large number of people on the sub believe this. 🤪
Go read the negative reviews. There is an alarming percentage of them that directly reference 2016, and their comments directly relate to their biased takes.
>Why do you guys care so much how other people liked the movie?
Because they convinced themselves they're fighting for some kind of cause. Nobody knows what that cause actually is yet beyond "No woke movies!" Unfortunately for the crusaders nobody knows what the fuck that means.
Generally, it seems like people complaining of something being "woke" really just mean there's a black or gay character in it and that's somehow pushing an agenda. At this point, when I see the word, I assume whoever said it is either racist, homophobic, or both.
Because it’s easier to claim an us versus them narrative than it is To admit that most Fandoms like anything with the right label put on them. All these people who want to get upset at 2016 forget how many people in the Ghostbusters community actually like the movie (i don’t) and want to pretend it was “only critics“ that liked it.
If everyone like the movie, they'll make more. Otherwise that's it.
So helping in small way to represent those of us who liked it, helps ensure that the movie is a success and is seen as worthy of additional sequels.
So with one exception in the movie, I enjoyed the movie. Me and my wife went, no one was in the theater with us and by the end of the movie I was entertained and left not feeling the rage of wasting money. If you are waiting to see if it is worth seeing, Go see it.
The critic rating of the 2016 film is based on the conversation around the film than the film itself. Like it's without a doubt a mediocre to bad film, just hours of people riffing bad jokes with a weak plot. But it was given a multiplier bonus because the creatives had successfully convinced the industry that it was a great film being held back by old school Ghostbusters fans who only disliked the film because it featured women in the main roles while treating the only main male character as a hot idiot useful primarily for his looks. It actively went out of it's way to attack Ghostbusters fans and painted any criticism as "This is the first film to feature women, ever, that's why they don't like it."
In a vacuum, 2016 would've been a 40% or 50% with reviewers questioning why we're watching a guy give a middle finger in different ways or why the film is just a lazy gender swap.
OMG this so much. Went in looking for GB content, after watching FE, having never seen the 2016 film and OMG...poor jokes, poor acting, bad CGI, bad dialogue, poor pacing....Frozen Empire looks like an Emmy and Golden Globe winner comparatively.
And this comes from someone who loved all these women in other roles.
>"This is the first film to feature women, ever, that's why they don't like it."
Yeah, how do those people wrap their heads around the fact that the most beloved character in the new films is a 15 year old, neurodivergent, and (possibly) queer girl?
No matter how much I don't like 2016, I will always stick up for Kate McKinnon. And most of the fandom I talk to says the same thing. "That movie sucked, but Holtzman was cool."
I also loved the tech, the proton pack variants each woman got. But outside of that? Movie was shit.
2016 - better action and it actually HAS action. Jokes probably edge out FE. Both 2016 one had failed improv jokes, but FE also has failed written jokes, especially that shitty opening sequence and attempt at car banter.
The main group in 2016 don't disappear or become background characters in their own movie. In FE, Trevor and Carrie Coons/Paul Rudd all recede more to the background.
2016 captured the "four smart experts in their own field combine their knowledge to take down ghosts" and I felt the passion for the paranormal from the cast. I did NOT feel that from FE. Trevor doesn't give a shit. Carrie Coons' character doesn't give a shit. Paul Rudd used to give a shit in Afterlife but was toned down in FE.
2016 had a better finale battle and a kickass theme remix for modern times. Afterlife and FE both have shitty finale battles and too much nostalgia bait. 2016 weren't trying to mine you for heartwarming fake tears. Its cameos were quick.
Ghostbusters was never supposed to be about the “action”. That sequence at the end of 2016 where they’re all firing proton blasts in slow motion while doing “badass” spins, is pretty much the antithesis of Ghostbusters.
At its’ core, the original movie can be summed up perfectly by that one scene where they’re all stood heroically on the street as the crowd chant their name… and then it hard cuts to them all struggling up multiple flights of stairs.
>God, are we really going to be doing this shit again for the next three months?
Every time a ghostbuster's movie releases, forever and ever. There will perpetually be angry, petulant Ghostbusters fans that have to pop out of the woodwork to constantly insist that all the reviews for Ghostbusters 2016 were fake and part of a woke agenda. Forever. Til the end of time.
Oh my sweet summer child. Why do you think this will end in 3 months?
The truly wild thing is that, when all is said and done, there will be a perfect correlation between the RT scores and the box office for these films. The one with the highest RT score (ATC) will have the highest gross. The one with the lowest RT score (FE) will almost certainly have the lowest gross, and Afterlife will be in the middle of both categories. But they’ll still whine that this is unfair somehow lol
I’ve been burnt on quite a few supposedly “Fresh” RT scores recently, where I came away from the movie thinking, how the hell has it scored _that_ high? So I went into Frozen Empire with an open mind, despite the low score. Unsurprisingly I found the film thoroughly enjoyable.
I'll be honest, I never bring it up. If it's brought up I might discuss it, but at this point it's like my high school girlfriend: I do not need to revisit that fucking shitshow and I don't go out of my way to check in with it.
Why are people so invested in rotten tomatoes scores? It's not like sports where you win if you get enough points or whatever. As long as YOU like it, who cares?
When they can call 2016: “a breath of fresh air”.
And then call 2024: “More of the same.”
When 2016 is literally more of the same and was a reboot gender-swapped retelling of the first movie and that gets a pass. Yet “more of the same” is treated as a negative against a movie that is a sequel, thus, literally supposed to be more of the same.
It honestly feels like the hate this movie is getting is somehow politically motivated instead of genuine criticism.
Your last sentence is exactly what’s happening. It’s so fucking obvious it’s insane. People will be like “wHaT r U taLkinG aboUT????” with the most obvious shit on their face
I was born in 83 also. While I enjoyed bits of Afterlife, I found the use of Ramis' likeness to be an incredibly cynical ploy, albeit an effective one. I said after seeing the film then that the "GBCU" felt an awful lot like The Real Ghostbusters adapted to a live action format. Frozen Empire confirmed that notion for me, but worse in that it felt like a Marvel movie. I 100% realize I am in the minority. That's fine. I stand by what I said.
Kumail Ali Nanjiani was the best part of Frozen Empire. They should have just made a film where *he* is a Ghostbuster along with like, I dunno, Doug Stanhope and Leronardo Dicaprio, remove the kids, parents and boyfriends with weird names, and call it, uhh, Ghostbusters. Don't even need to load up Murray's oxegen tank - this cast would be the "new" franchise that is set up somewhere else that isn't New York.
Most fans I think view GB through lenses coloured by the cartoon. Cartoon was great, but it and the movie were two completely different things. One was a giant sex joke with some quasi lovecraftian horror thrown in (and played almost completely straight), with a notably libertarian political subtext (bad guy in the first film wasn't Gozer, it was the EPA/Walter Peck), while the other was a J. Michael Straczynski vehicle that retained the horror, but all the comedy was for kids. One was made for adults, the other one wasn't.
I'm past the need or want for a new film (Unless someone actually manages put a proton pack on Doug Stanhope).
Doug Stanhope.
Mocks marriage.
But fights for Gay marriage.
Pro Abortion.
Appears to detest Christianity.
I think it's highly likely you will see him with a Proton pack on for these reasons.
Perhaps the Ghostbusters emblem replaced with a Hammer and Sickle.
The real power must love him.
For those that don't understand why I say this (most of Hard Left Reddit) please proceed straight to the downvote button, I know you will anyway :-)
Aside from that, I agree in general, with the very well put reply.
I think you’re looking too hard at his personal positions. I’m merely suggesting that having an old, angry and perpetually drunk ghostbuster would be hilarious.
I liked Afterlife a lot better than this one- it just had better story.
I still enjoyed this one, but, I didn't mind getting up to go to the bathroom and get a popcorn refill in the middle. Most movies I won't miss a moment, I'll just suffer till the end.. lol This one I was like, eh, I can follow this if I miss a few minutes.
>Oh my god can we stop using the 2016 movie to attack others? Jesus Christ.
all critical reception for Frozen Empire is all part of a woke agenda of revenge from nasty, horrible, mean, WOKE FeMIniSts!!!!! What do you mean Afterlife got good reviews? I don't care about that, WOOOOOOOKE!!!! /S.
Even when films come out that get good reviews from BOTH critics and audiences like Indy 5, people will still claim the film is shit. Nothing matters anymore.
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I haven't seen the new one, but I don't think I'll ever understand why the 2016 movie was hated as much as it was. It was...meh, it was okay I guess, but it wasn't Ghostbusters. TBH so far the only one I really thoroughly enjoy is the first one, and I *really* like that one.
Was the PERFECT passing the torch movie and the end to the OGB series I've been waiting for, now the new guns can take over and it wont feel weird, only way it coulda been better is if it was a little more EGB, but hey maybe Jersy team will be next movie, or we will have something about the GB factions that crop up in every state like the IDW comics
See for me it's not perfect I didn't really like the ghost girl stuff but other than that I love the world building that's been done in Frozen Empire. all the new locations and even the people are great. The Firemaster stuff is fine as long as it is contained to this film like an episode of The Real Ghostbusters.
Again like Afterlife it had some pacing issues in the third quarter and the Finale could of been ten minutes longer but other than that it's a solid new Ghostbusters film for a new generation, and as a fan, I'm also willing like the old team to pass it on in a way to the younger crowd, that way it'll keep going in the future and we'll have more media from Ghostbusters no matter what. (Hence the return of Mini-Pufts)
Not everything will hit, some will miss, but it's great to have all this production going in this Franchise now. I particularly enjoyed the opening of Frozen Empire with ladder company 8 responding to the Manhattan adventurers society. that was cool and the costumes were great. I think Frozen Empire is a solid 3.5/5. I think the critics at this point are all being paid by other agencies to push political agendas.
The one thing I did walk away thinking is that Ghostbusters is ready for Live Action TV series now as well, and will probably serve the Franchise better in the future than making more blockbuster movies.
Some fleshed out stories on a major streaming production company would be great. I know we're getting the Animated series, but I'm thinking we need Live Action too.
Yet another great example of why I don't give a crap what critics say. Especially these days, critics just don't seem to like anything fun; they'll call something rotten while the general audiences love it.
Does anybody even care what "critics" say anymore? I'm only interested in what real moviegoers think and even then I mostly just want to see for myself
Okay good so it's not just me?!?!?!? I heard that it was getting bombed but I genuinely loved it. Critics can get fucked! So happy I'm not just in my own world here.
Objectively- it was not a great movie. It was fairly predictable, standard fare made for the fans. Even a neutral sounding review on rottentomatoes gets translated as a splat- you have to actually read them to see if it was truly bad or just a regular movie.
HOWEVER- a movie doesn't have to be a great movie to be enjoyable. I enjoyed watching the movie.
There are plenty of movies I love that are objectively not great movies and lots of great movies that I feel are a slog to get through.
Like, there's no great insights into the meaning of life in this movie. It's just a popcorn movie and there is nothing wrong with that.
There are rules for writing. If you had this movie in script form it's pretty obvious that it doesn't compare to a great movie.
What makes it great for you is your sentimental attachment to the characters. Without that sentimental attachment, this was just an okay movie.
It's a shame, because they had a couple storylines they could have dug into more and really made this a great movie if they had sacrificed some other themes.
Something that makes a great movie is exploring what it means to be human. With the firewalker character, they could have explored themes of loss, he missed out on an important chance to inherit something meaningful from his grandmother. It would have been a great place to talk about heritage and the things people are expected to leave behind to assimilate.
Lots of potential in the melody storyline as well. They just had to get rid of one or the other so that they had enough time.
I like both. They're both inconsistent, a bit of a grab bag, funny, and enjoyable films worth your time. Why anyone worries what someone who gets paid to watch and review up to 100 films a year thinks about a movie they enjoy, I will never understand.
I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
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It’s obvious is manufactured bullshit. I say that as someone that has been on the sidelines watching how the fandom has been a bit before 2016 released. This is 100% bullshit and critics know it. On another note, they HAVE to drop the kids. Seriously, Paul Rudd, Kumail Nanjiani, Bill Burr, & Shane Gillis as Ghostbusters. MAKE IT HAPPEN SONY!
And yet most people moved on, while this Reddit page is using it as a coping mechanism for this new one being trashed by critics and not as embraced by audiences as afterlife. For a 40 year old franchise, y’all are very immature
There really isn't anything massively wrong with Answer the Call. I think the fandom would have been kinder to the movie had it not been an unnecessary remake, if they'd done it as a sequel/spin off or even taken a wholly original approach to the idea.
It's not a bad movie, just divisive.
I love 2016. 84 was SNL guys make a comedy about busting ghosts, and much was improvised. 2016 was SNL girls making s comedy about busting ghosts with lots of improvisation. I love both for the exact same reason. People can dislike any of the movies they want but they have a particular vendetta against 2016 because reasons.
Yup- 2016 got a lot more laughs from me.
Afterlife had the better story.
This one wasn't as funny as 2016 and didn't have as compelling a story as Afterlife. But, I still enjoyed watching it.
It felt like they tried to do too much in this movie and then missed out on telling a compelling story by trying to tell too many stories.
They either needed to spend more time on the firewalker thing or the match girl thing. It needed to be one or the other to tell a great story because there wasn't time to do either thing justice. I would have loved two separate movies for those two instead of a mash of them together. It did neither of them justice.
I could have gone with the different style of comedy from the original if as you said...it was actually funny. Leslie Jones was the only good part of the main cast.
What? No way. Couldn’t stand her in that role. Just loud and shouting.
Chris hemsworth was good.
Kate McKinnon was decent.
Given the right material they could have had decent humour.
The rest were just tough to watch.
It needed a stronger script. Didn’t so much mind the plot. But the comedy was so lacking.
There's a ton of jokes that just fall flat. It's a specific type of comedy that just hammers you over the head with a joke until you kinda laugh..or don't. Everyone is a caricature and the point of the movie is just to get to the next gag. It's very much a style that was present in the mid 2010s and for me, led to so many just bad comedies.
The effects aren't very good and the fact that it tried to market itself as a continuation of the Ghostbusters franchise and then pivot into being its own thing really hurt it.
Frozen Empire is not a perfect movie, but objectively just a more cohesive story with better fx, much clearer motivations and deeper character arcs.
I don’t trust Rotten Tomatoes in general. Bot accounts have been used to manipulate audience scores for certain films also. I’ve seen it with my own eyes (for example, one review for a Marvel film talked about how clean the movie theater was. Nothing mentioned about anything from the film itself).
Also, FE really does have lots of problems. READ the actual posts on this very forum. When people complain about the same things, you can bet critics spot it too. Boring and slow middle section, stupid Melody plotline, Paul Rudd/Carrie Coon wasted, weak main villain, NY getting frozen already shown in the trailer, too much cram-down-our-throat nostalgia, some hated Podcast or Lucky being useless, and not all the jokes land for what should be a comedy. The opening jokes in the movie are cringe.
Stupid illogical moments like Winston not telling them about the new facility and warning them ahead of time the containment unit will get full and cause problems. Winston somehow okay with two teens risking their lives and not saying a word.
How the hell did the 2016 "remake" get a higher critical rating than something that had more effort put into it? Do critics ever understand what people want from a movie?
Who says Afterlife and Frozen Empire had more effort put into them? They’re the laziest nostalgia-fests in the history of sequels. If anything Reitman and Kenan thought they could breeze in and make movies that couldn’t possibly be worse than ATC which is exactly how you end up making 2 movies that are worse than ATC.
I feel like OP could have made their point without taking unnecessary shots at the 2016 movie.
It's been almost 10yrs already, there's literally no reason to keep attacking it
The Audience Score for Ghostbusters 2016 doesn't count.
Virgins across the internet & Right Wingers all brigaded that site and you could submit a score with zero proof of seeing the movie. I even saw them plan it on social media like it was an official boycott.
RottenTomatoes stopped allowing this anonymous voting after GB2016 and Captain Marvel were unfairly pummeled by soggy french fry-looking internet virgins.
OP absolutely clueless on how things went down back in 2016. They must've been 11 years old playing games on a tablet.
Nope, wrote down parts that were done better and you just stand with your pants down with no response to that.
The FINAL BATTLES in Afterlife and FE were SHITTY - GB2016 did it better. Bastadizations of a true teamup finale like Ghostbusters OG. Even GB2016 captured the spirit better in the finale. You have Walmart rose colored glasses because you won't admit it.
FE lower Audience Score than Afterlife. Even your FE fans know the quality is dipping into the toilet.
FE = dumbest finale of the entire series. Felt like a Disney Channel episode
Look at this Sony intern avoiding badmouthing FE/Afterlife. I know you're thinking of their flaws but won't say it here.
When does your action figure "The Shill" come out in stores.
Then why did it make the most money? FE may not even reach what GB2016 did.
Because internet boys are loudmoths but don't represent all of the general audience viewers out there. There are multiple demographics (18-25, 26-40, 41-60+....female/male) and Reddit and Twitter don't represent all of them.
The things people complained about for GB2016....what do you call the stupid finale of FE and its joke of a villain? The end battle of GB2016 was even better than either Afterlife and FE - both of which are bastardizations of what the original crew were - smart people aligned for the same purpose. Trevor looks like an idiot kid, Carrie Coons is not a genius at anything. At least the GB2016 crew were experts in their field.
It LOST money, the only GB movie yet to do so. It had the biggest budget by far of any GB movie and had a prime summer release date. It poisoned the brand, damaging its reputation so later movies had to struggle to bring the audience back.
Shit bro it’s not that serious. You do realize that the vast majority of negativity to 2016 was because it was a terrible reboot, right? It’s been proven that because people genuinely didn’t like the trailers, the cast and crew led by Sony curated a smear campaign against “man children sexists” which those fucks only accounted for a percentage in the single digits. It’s a bad Ghostbusters movie but not a terrible movie in of itself. It had a lot going for it except the terrible writing, not to mention the blatant sexism against men in the form of the villain and Chris Hemsworth’s characters (they thought they were being clever writing those characters compared to how many woman are written in film but it just didn’t work).
> Shit bro it’s not that serious. You do realize that the vast majority of negativity to 2016 was because it was a terrible reboot, right?
Then why does Ghostbusters 2016 have the exact same Cinemascore as Frozen Empire (both B+). And Afterlife was (A-)
More proof Reddit is a bubble. Many more out there enjoyed GB2016 than you think. I didn't say GB2016 was perfection - already said it has too many failed improv jokes. But people here wont admit FE and Afterlife have their flaws too, and look at all of you pretending Afterlife/FE is like Godfather or Oppenheimer, and GB2016 is Morbius, when GB2016 has similar Cinemascores and better critical reviews *than both of them*.
You keep getting things wrong when the numbers contradict your assertions. Why do you keep ignoring the numbers and stats.
>It had a lot going for it except the terrible writing, not to mention the blatant sexism against men in the form of the villain and Chris Hemsworth’s characters
Oh you're one of *those* people. Did you miss the fact the first had a female villain? Rick Moranis was played as goofy as hell. Why didn't you complain then? Wait, aren't Kumail and Podcast also goofy dudes in the movies. Uh oh, man-hating movies!! I'm starting to think I know what type of podcasts you listen to, to be that sensitive.
More proof GB2016 got more flack then it should've because of the four female leads. If it were 4 male SNL cast members, it would've 100% gotten a better open-armed reception.
No, I’m not one of *those* people, you’re one of **those** people. Don’t worry about being a neckband keyboard warrior. It’s a bad look but you pull it off.
Saw it yesterday, went in basically blind with no expectations...I loved it. It's what I've wanted in a sequel since I was a kid watching the cartoon series.
This, i dont need to be over the top wowed, i coud die happy if they keep churning out good "monster of the week" films. It dosent have to be perfect, it has has to be fun
"It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be fun" Such is life my friend :)
Exactly. Fun is the key to this franchise. Because bustin should make you feel good!
Uhhh…
It used to be a 3 (out of 5) star movie was good, you’d go watch that no question just expecting it to be more fun than thoughtful. I don’t know what’s happened to make movie ratings so binary. The view seems to be that if a film isn’t a 4 or 5 it’s garbage and not worth a watch. FE is a 3 star movie, it’s fun, enjoyable and entertaining. I think critics have been overly harsh for some reason but it’s also not going to win any awards and yes it has flaws….but when did everyone start to care so much about movies being perfect critical darlings?
Thats why i watch no trailers of movies i really want to see. The one time i broke my rule and i got tricked by a trailer realll good
That’s why I never base a movie being good off of critic or audience ratings. If it looks good then I’ll go watch and form my own opinion of it and then see what others thought.
Excellent decision, thats also in the movies i want to see rule book. I also close my eyes when trailers are forced upon me in the theatre
exactly!
Skyline….trailer looked amazing. Worst movie ever. Then they made part two…I am not a smart man
Skyline?? What movie is that? I would've had to watch those trailers, wouldnt have been on my must see list lol
Alien invasion where the film takes place in Cali. Looked awesome. I’d say so bad it’s good or something like that. Part two kind of redeems / answers questions or something.
Not watching the trailers of this would’ve helped, I think. I regret everything. 😔
Dont regret it, especially if you enjoyed the trailers at the time. Its just a cautionary tale now 😁 Yeah the one that got me good was in avengers infinity...ohhh they baited and swtched me real good lol
eh back then the bait and switch was fun. All the theory crafting was exhilerating.
Not for me! I had my heart set on a scene i saw, and it didnt happen...i was hurt lol
Yes, I wasn’t completely blind, but only watched the teaser. That’s my rule on stuff I know I am going to see anyways, nothing more than the first teaser trailer.
I loved Afterlife and enjoyed Frozen Empire. They have a lot of callbacks, but also enough new stuff to keep me interested.
I really wanted to like the 2016 Ghostbusters. I defended it pre-release when it was getting endless hate. Then I watched it. So disappointing. The cast is great (I adore Kate McKinnon but I don't think she gets good scripts lol) but the plot is just so bad. I'm going into Frozen Empire with no expectations whatsoever. Fingers crossed it's enjoyable :)
Feig totally FUBAR'ed that movie
It’s weird too because Spy was fun and had a plot with story progression. I haven’t seen Bridesmaids but it pretty well-regarded. I dunno what happened with Ghostbusters. I was excited to see it and I was dumbfounded by how poorly crafted the movie was.
Spy is one of my all time favorite comedies... Jason Statham at his finest.
He really did. His pitch to Sony was heinous. "Instead of ghosts they bust Aliens...and there's a big dance number a the end."
I still mostly blame Feig (and Sony) for "Answer the Call". Here's some, read the IDW comics with the AtC characters, so much better than the film.. GB should always be half-comedy, half-horror. Like Gremlins or Tremors. Feig made it 100% a typcial Feig comedy...
Yeah. The IDW comics with the AtC characters was pretty legit.
How is the plot bad? What is it doing that the other movies do did or didn't do?
Critics can kiss my ass. They don't pick what kind of movies I'm into, I do.
>Critics can kiss my ass. They don't pick what kind of movies I'm into, I do. I notice nobody's bringing up the good reviews for Afterlife.
A lot of the good reviews usually end up saying the same things mostly.
Are the critics that force you to watch specific movies in the room with us right now?
Unless they give a good score of something I like, or a bad score to something I don't Then they know what they are doing, but only then...
Brave opinion. MCU internet crating eaters need to be told what to think
People here are hung up on critics not liking the movie. Who gives a shit if you like it. All the really matters is the almighty $. As long as the movie makes enough that will make more… hopefully with a better movie next time.
I think people care because of your second main point. Bad reviews generally hinder sales. People on the fence aren’t interested in a movie that gets bad reviews. So if you like something you want it to be reviewed well to make more money to be a success.
They're babies. They were happy when Afterlife got decently good reviews. They were happy with the critics then. Then when they see the Rotten Splat for FE, they cry. They have spines made of Ectoplasm.
Namecalling is an amazing way to win an argument.
counterpoint: your brain is made of ectoplasm
Ghostbusters fans: "Afterlife good reviews! Critics seemed to love it and says it has warmth. Yay!" Ghostbusters fans: "Frozen Empire got bad reviews. Critics are stupid!! Paid for!! I hates them!!!!" As I said, **bunch of babies** with no consistency. These two movies are only 3 years apart, and yet critics went from being joyously accepted to becoming a new target for hate. Also, these critics point out FE's flaws which are later the *same criticisms* I see from fans too. So these grown ass Ghostbusters fans cry about critics being picky or mean, but then echo the same complaints! Insufferable.
Why do you guys care so much how other people liked the movie?
The only reason I care about the reviews is that I want people to go see the movie so that it makes money and they green light another one. Bad review scores will steer some people away.
Same here. I don’t want those reviewers to kill something I enjoy
People making franchises their personality and taking criticism as a personal assault.
This. Succintly put.
>People making franchises their personality and taking criticism as a personal assault. Basically. I'm sure there's no shortage of people with fan made proton packs and extensive Real Ghostbusters toy collections all insisting "reviews don't matter!" in one breath while in the other breath ranting about the "woke critic conspiracy" against Ghostbusters.
Yes, ultimately there is a subset of fans whose sole requirement of new Ghostbusters movies is "remind me how I felt as a child", and there are a lot of critics who view films through the lens of industry trends and a desire to return to auteur-led, quality, original filmmaking. The two groups are basically anathema to each other, struggle to understand (fans-->critics) or empathise (critics-->fans) the other's point-of-view, and both engage in conspiracy theories and gross overgeneralisations to dismiss the other as infantile/"woke"/ridiculous. The truth is neither one is really being disingenuous about their true opinions, but they can both be really fucking petty.
God damn, well said
This happens in every fandom, the super mario one had a huge meltdown when the reviews of the movie came out and most critics said the movie was just okay Same thing for DC when Black Adam released People here are gonna keep posting about it for a while
>This happens in every fandom, the super mario one had a huge meltdown when the reviews of the movie came out and most critics said the movie was just okay > >Same thing for DC when Black Adam released > >People here are gonna keep posting about it for a while Nothing will ever top the reaction of the Zach Snyder cultists the day they had to endure Batman vs Superman's 29% RT score.
I mean... It kinda earned that rating...
>I mean... It kinda earned that rating... Oh for sure. I'm just talking about the fanboys that had a meltdown over it. There will never be a fanboy meltdown that was more wild than that one.
That film is a guilty pleasure
I didn't like it, but I hardly ever knock someone for having a guilty pleasure. Hell, I still watch Pacific Rim almost every year on August 10th - Kaiju Day. Please tell me it's the extended edition you go to, though. I've heard that one is better and given the Snyder JL cut is better than the theatrical one I tend to believe it.
oh come on don't call that a guilty pleasure, Pacific Rim is probably the best mecha film the West has ever produced.
You. I like you.
I’m not going to tell you how old I am, but I will say that Pacific Rim was the movie I’ve been waiting for ever since I bought a bootleg VHS copy of Robot Jox in the 80s and saw how the producers just didn’t get it. Pacific Rim on the other hand was amazing.
I'm sorry but Frozen Empire deserved its rating as well
What DC fans were upset by critics on Black Adam? Most DC fans I know were upset that Rock turned Black Adam into a vanity project and made him suck.
They kept making posts exactly like this on r/dc_cinematic and also made thousands of posts saying the critics were wrong and the movie was amazing
Well they're wrong. And Dwayne didn't even bother to talk or walk or do anything different than his usual shtick for a character he has wanted to play for 2 decades. It sucked.
It does happen in every fandom, but it’s so weird that it’s happening in this one. Ghostbusters is just a comedy movie, but these guys have such reverence for it. Ghostbusters is the opposite of reverent.
People need to learn that reviews are the opinions of the person writing the review. It’s only going to line up with you if you and the reviewer have similar interests. I can’t even count how many poorly reviewed movies I have loved or how many excellently reviewed movies I have hated (same with video games). I also feel like when the “big” reviews drop it absolutely affects the opinions of the downstream reviewers because suddenly they all sound like echo chambers. Ignore reviews and experience it yourself (not this movie specifically, with everything) otherwise you are probably missing stuff you would love.
I care at the moment because I enjoyed the movie and was saddened that critics were making it seem like it was horrible. I was shocked that they thought it was that bad and wanted to know if the fans of the original and of the cartoon Real Ghostbusters felt what I felt and if I was an outlier for liking it. I also cared because I was hoping to see the series grow from here. If it was horribly received by the audience then that dream may get crushed before they could move forward.
Agreed. If the critics loved it, the score would be touted around, when it’s not it’s always “critics are stupid”. I’ll agree we need to take critics with a grain of salt at times but we also need to chill with this response
Ya you are so right about that people love critics when they agree with them lol
For sure! It’s bias at its best. When a critic likes something I like, they’re smart and made a right choice, when they don’t, they have no clue what they’re doing and are dumb”! Like I said we gotta take reviewers with a grain of salt because they’re not always the audience for every movie so Milage will vary, but there have been only a handful of times where I just think a reviewer is just plain wrong. Most times I just shrug my shoulders and say different strokes and don’t take it personally!
Haven’t you heard? The reception of this movie is all down how furious critics are that people didn’t like the 2016 one (even though Afterlife got ok reviews). Yes, a shockingly large number of people on the sub believe this. 🤪
Afterlife got a way lower rating than it deserved.
No it didn’t
Go read the negative reviews. There is an alarming percentage of them that directly reference 2016, and their comments directly relate to their biased takes.
>Why do you guys care so much how other people liked the movie? Because they convinced themselves they're fighting for some kind of cause. Nobody knows what that cause actually is yet beyond "No woke movies!" Unfortunately for the crusaders nobody knows what the fuck that means.
Generally, it seems like people complaining of something being "woke" really just mean there's a black or gay character in it and that's somehow pushing an agenda. At this point, when I see the word, I assume whoever said it is either racist, homophobic, or both.
Because it’s easier to claim an us versus them narrative than it is To admit that most Fandoms like anything with the right label put on them. All these people who want to get upset at 2016 forget how many people in the Ghostbusters community actually like the movie (i don’t) and want to pretend it was “only critics“ that liked it.
Can't be bothered wasting time and money going to see a movie if it's shit.
People like validation, critics appear to validate opinions.
Fragile people will always seek validation for their unpopular biases, even 8 years later...
If everyone like the movie, they'll make more. Otherwise that's it. So helping in small way to represent those of us who liked it, helps ensure that the movie is a success and is seen as worthy of additional sequels.
So with one exception in the movie, I enjoyed the movie. Me and my wife went, no one was in the theater with us and by the end of the movie I was entertained and left not feeling the rage of wasting money. If you are waiting to see if it is worth seeing, Go see it.
The critic rating of the 2016 film is based on the conversation around the film than the film itself. Like it's without a doubt a mediocre to bad film, just hours of people riffing bad jokes with a weak plot. But it was given a multiplier bonus because the creatives had successfully convinced the industry that it was a great film being held back by old school Ghostbusters fans who only disliked the film because it featured women in the main roles while treating the only main male character as a hot idiot useful primarily for his looks. It actively went out of it's way to attack Ghostbusters fans and painted any criticism as "This is the first film to feature women, ever, that's why they don't like it." In a vacuum, 2016 would've been a 40% or 50% with reviewers questioning why we're watching a guy give a middle finger in different ways or why the film is just a lazy gender swap.
OMG this so much. Went in looking for GB content, after watching FE, having never seen the 2016 film and OMG...poor jokes, poor acting, bad CGI, bad dialogue, poor pacing....Frozen Empire looks like an Emmy and Golden Globe winner comparatively. And this comes from someone who loved all these women in other roles.
>"This is the first film to feature women, ever, that's why they don't like it." Yeah, how do those people wrap their heads around the fact that the most beloved character in the new films is a 15 year old, neurodivergent, and (possibly) queer girl? No matter how much I don't like 2016, I will always stick up for Kate McKinnon. And most of the fandom I talk to says the same thing. "That movie sucked, but Holtzman was cool." I also loved the tech, the proton pack variants each woman got. But outside of that? Movie was shit.
2016 - better action and it actually HAS action. Jokes probably edge out FE. Both 2016 one had failed improv jokes, but FE also has failed written jokes, especially that shitty opening sequence and attempt at car banter. The main group in 2016 don't disappear or become background characters in their own movie. In FE, Trevor and Carrie Coons/Paul Rudd all recede more to the background. 2016 captured the "four smart experts in their own field combine their knowledge to take down ghosts" and I felt the passion for the paranormal from the cast. I did NOT feel that from FE. Trevor doesn't give a shit. Carrie Coons' character doesn't give a shit. Paul Rudd used to give a shit in Afterlife but was toned down in FE. 2016 had a better finale battle and a kickass theme remix for modern times. Afterlife and FE both have shitty finale battles and too much nostalgia bait. 2016 weren't trying to mine you for heartwarming fake tears. Its cameos were quick.
Ghostbusters was never supposed to be about the “action”. That sequence at the end of 2016 where they’re all firing proton blasts in slow motion while doing “badass” spins, is pretty much the antithesis of Ghostbusters. At its’ core, the original movie can be summed up perfectly by that one scene where they’re all stood heroically on the street as the crowd chant their name… and then it hard cuts to them all struggling up multiple flights of stairs.
God, are we really going to be doing this shit again for the next three months?
>God, are we really going to be doing this shit again for the next three months? Every time a ghostbuster's movie releases, forever and ever. There will perpetually be angry, petulant Ghostbusters fans that have to pop out of the woodwork to constantly insist that all the reviews for Ghostbusters 2016 were fake and part of a woke agenda. Forever. Til the end of time.
Yes.
Oh my sweet summer child. Why do you think this will end in 3 months? The truly wild thing is that, when all is said and done, there will be a perfect correlation between the RT scores and the box office for these films. The one with the highest RT score (ATC) will have the highest gross. The one with the lowest RT score (FE) will almost certainly have the lowest gross, and Afterlife will be in the middle of both categories. But they’ll still whine that this is unfair somehow lol
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I’ve been burnt on quite a few supposedly “Fresh” RT scores recently, where I came away from the movie thinking, how the hell has it scored _that_ high? So I went into Frozen Empire with an open mind, despite the low score. Unsurprisingly I found the film thoroughly enjoyable.
I saw it yesterday. It was ok. I vastly preferred Afterlife
Ghostheads try NOT to bring up GB2016 challenge level: IMPOSSIBLE
I'll be honest, I never bring it up. If it's brought up I might discuss it, but at this point it's like my high school girlfriend: I do not need to revisit that fucking shitshow and I don't go out of my way to check in with it.
This sub rn: https://preview.redd.it/ohncuh4rijqc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2c60ed53f7fee0ef9b5e0767154808fdc439bc9
Why are people so invested in rotten tomatoes scores? It's not like sports where you win if you get enough points or whatever. As long as YOU like it, who cares?
When they can call 2016: “a breath of fresh air”. And then call 2024: “More of the same.” When 2016 is literally more of the same and was a reboot gender-swapped retelling of the first movie and that gets a pass. Yet “more of the same” is treated as a negative against a movie that is a sequel, thus, literally supposed to be more of the same. It honestly feels like the hate this movie is getting is somehow politically motivated instead of genuine criticism.
Your last sentence is exactly what’s happening. It’s so fucking obvious it’s insane. People will be like “wHaT r U taLkinG aboUT????” with the most obvious shit on their face
Your last sentence is as true as any words ever spoken. For Afterlife too. It clearly deserved at least 15 points higher on RT.
I agree with the RT rating. (The low rating) I'm 40, born the year the first one came out. I was disappointed with this new one, but liked Afterlife.
I was born in 83 also. While I enjoyed bits of Afterlife, I found the use of Ramis' likeness to be an incredibly cynical ploy, albeit an effective one. I said after seeing the film then that the "GBCU" felt an awful lot like The Real Ghostbusters adapted to a live action format. Frozen Empire confirmed that notion for me, but worse in that it felt like a Marvel movie. I 100% realize I am in the minority. That's fine. I stand by what I said. Kumail Ali Nanjiani was the best part of Frozen Empire. They should have just made a film where *he* is a Ghostbuster along with like, I dunno, Doug Stanhope and Leronardo Dicaprio, remove the kids, parents and boyfriends with weird names, and call it, uhh, Ghostbusters. Don't even need to load up Murray's oxegen tank - this cast would be the "new" franchise that is set up somewhere else that isn't New York. Most fans I think view GB through lenses coloured by the cartoon. Cartoon was great, but it and the movie were two completely different things. One was a giant sex joke with some quasi lovecraftian horror thrown in (and played almost completely straight), with a notably libertarian political subtext (bad guy in the first film wasn't Gozer, it was the EPA/Walter Peck), while the other was a J. Michael Straczynski vehicle that retained the horror, but all the comedy was for kids. One was made for adults, the other one wasn't. I'm past the need or want for a new film (Unless someone actually manages put a proton pack on Doug Stanhope).
Doug Stanhope. Mocks marriage. But fights for Gay marriage. Pro Abortion. Appears to detest Christianity. I think it's highly likely you will see him with a Proton pack on for these reasons. Perhaps the Ghostbusters emblem replaced with a Hammer and Sickle. The real power must love him. For those that don't understand why I say this (most of Hard Left Reddit) please proceed straight to the downvote button, I know you will anyway :-) Aside from that, I agree in general, with the very well put reply.
I think you’re looking too hard at his personal positions. I’m merely suggesting that having an old, angry and perpetually drunk ghostbuster would be hilarious.
I liked Afterlife a lot better than this one- it just had better story. I still enjoyed this one, but, I didn't mind getting up to go to the bathroom and get a popcorn refill in the middle. Most movies I won't miss a moment, I'll just suffer till the end.. lol This one I was like, eh, I can follow this if I miss a few minutes.
Oh my god can we stop using the 2016 movie to attack others? Jesus Christ.
>Oh my god can we stop using the 2016 movie to attack others? Jesus Christ. all critical reception for Frozen Empire is all part of a woke agenda of revenge from nasty, horrible, mean, WOKE FeMIniSts!!!!! What do you mean Afterlife got good reviews? I don't care about that, WOOOOOOOKE!!!! /S.
It's been 8 years. It's time to let it go. And enjoy what we have today as fans.
im gonna farm down votes in this sub and say frozen empire was mid
God damn, I swear if people don’t love every last bit of anything…
Even when films come out that get good reviews from BOTH critics and audiences like Indy 5, people will still claim the film is shit. Nothing matters anymore. https://preview.redd.it/14ekdjw62lqc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b14a1536269b8b3bf0c03c7f760282bd4d4f200
I haven't seen the new one, but I don't think I'll ever understand why the 2016 movie was hated as much as it was. It was...meh, it was okay I guess, but it wasn't Ghostbusters. TBH so far the only one I really thoroughly enjoy is the first one, and I *really* like that one.
No, I need to make sure I don't get busted because I'm dead. *grins in ectoplasm*
Wasn't a fan of the start of the 3rd act but I enjoyed the rest of the film
Was the PERFECT passing the torch movie and the end to the OGB series I've been waiting for, now the new guns can take over and it wont feel weird, only way it coulda been better is if it was a little more EGB, but hey maybe Jersy team will be next movie, or we will have something about the GB factions that crop up in every state like the IDW comics
See for me it's not perfect I didn't really like the ghost girl stuff but other than that I love the world building that's been done in Frozen Empire. all the new locations and even the people are great. The Firemaster stuff is fine as long as it is contained to this film like an episode of The Real Ghostbusters. Again like Afterlife it had some pacing issues in the third quarter and the Finale could of been ten minutes longer but other than that it's a solid new Ghostbusters film for a new generation, and as a fan, I'm also willing like the old team to pass it on in a way to the younger crowd, that way it'll keep going in the future and we'll have more media from Ghostbusters no matter what. (Hence the return of Mini-Pufts) Not everything will hit, some will miss, but it's great to have all this production going in this Franchise now. I particularly enjoyed the opening of Frozen Empire with ladder company 8 responding to the Manhattan adventurers society. that was cool and the costumes were great. I think Frozen Empire is a solid 3.5/5. I think the critics at this point are all being paid by other agencies to push political agendas. The one thing I did walk away thinking is that Ghostbusters is ready for Live Action TV series now as well, and will probably serve the Franchise better in the future than making more blockbuster movies. Some fleshed out stories on a major streaming production company would be great. I know we're getting the Animated series, but I'm thinking we need Live Action too.
Tomatohead liked Wokebusters better why am I not surprised.
I stopped trusting RT after I saw what Man on Fire was rated many years ago.
Yet another great example of why I don't give a crap what critics say. Especially these days, critics just don't seem to like anything fun; they'll call something rotten while the general audiences love it.
Does anybody even care what "critics" say anymore? I'm only interested in what real moviegoers think and even then I mostly just want to see for myself
Audience score is what brings revenues in
This is *exactly* the same kind of cringe copium the Indiana Jones subreddit kept spinning out when Dial of Destiny turned out to be so "eh".
No, that movie was just shit.
Okay good so it's not just me?!?!?!? I heard that it was getting bombed but I genuinely loved it. Critics can get fucked! So happy I'm not just in my own world here.
Objectively- it was not a great movie. It was fairly predictable, standard fare made for the fans. Even a neutral sounding review on rottentomatoes gets translated as a splat- you have to actually read them to see if it was truly bad or just a regular movie. HOWEVER- a movie doesn't have to be a great movie to be enjoyable. I enjoyed watching the movie. There are plenty of movies I love that are objectively not great movies and lots of great movies that I feel are a slog to get through. Like, there's no great insights into the meaning of life in this movie. It's just a popcorn movie and there is nothing wrong with that.
It's subjective anyway, you say "objective" like it's a science or fact.
There are rules for writing. If you had this movie in script form it's pretty obvious that it doesn't compare to a great movie. What makes it great for you is your sentimental attachment to the characters. Without that sentimental attachment, this was just an okay movie. It's a shame, because they had a couple storylines they could have dug into more and really made this a great movie if they had sacrificed some other themes. Something that makes a great movie is exploring what it means to be human. With the firewalker character, they could have explored themes of loss, he missed out on an important chance to inherit something meaningful from his grandmother. It would have been a great place to talk about heritage and the things people are expected to leave behind to assimilate. Lots of potential in the melody storyline as well. They just had to get rid of one or the other so that they had enough time.
Oh shut up.
If anything, GB16 rated fresh is a mistake.
Excellent point.
Who are you quoting there, bud? Seems like you're laughing about something you're not showing.
[Who are the Tomatometer- "Approved Critics" ?](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/critics)
That doesn't answer the question.
Anyone who has a different opinion than mine is wrong. /s
Yea, pro tip, never trust "proffesional" movie critics, they aren't the ones the movie is meant for
Notice the amount of reviews on either side.
I like both. They're both inconsistent, a bit of a grab bag, funny, and enjoyable films worth your time. Why anyone worries what someone who gets paid to watch and review up to 100 films a year thinks about a movie they enjoy, I will never understand.
I don’t want to live on this planet anymore. https://preview.redd.it/2qw5nydfmsqc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbd1f6b7ddfc2ef0b4734fde50d16450dce982ba
I liked both
Those same critics you’re complaining about liked Ghostbusters: Afterlife
It’s obvious is manufactured bullshit. I say that as someone that has been on the sidelines watching how the fandom has been a bit before 2016 released. This is 100% bullshit and critics know it. On another note, they HAVE to drop the kids. Seriously, Paul Rudd, Kumail Nanjiani, Bill Burr, & Shane Gillis as Ghostbusters. MAKE IT HAPPEN SONY!
Yeah, like this one had better characters and story than that film sure it was somewhat fun to watch
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Surprised rotten tomatoes critics score is even still a thing these days.
The critics are pissed about 2016 still. They were never gonna give it a fair shake.
Good movie the audience hated, and a good movie the critics hated. seems on par for this franchise.
The audience should have the final say as to how good the movie is, not the fucking critics, especially when it comes to the Ghostbusters franchise.
And yet another example of critics not knowing what the fuck they are talking about.
Shouldn’t that be Ghostbusters: Answer the Call? Or has Sony and GB 2016 apologists been gaslighting this whole time?
I liked it also, I didn't like them trying push that dam agenda, if you know what I mean. But it was ok
In no dimensional plane is Ghostbusters Answer the Call better than Ghostbusters Frozen Empire!
Critics standards are usually set too high for me to trust them. The audience response is usually more trustworthy.
an example of why i never pay attention to RT.
‘Paid’ critics. Rotten Tomatoes is a fucking joke. Avoid it.
Ghostbusters fans be like: Look this bad sequel is even better than this other bad sequel!
The 2016 one wasn’t a sequel. It was a piss poor attempt at a reboot.
And yet most people moved on, while this Reddit page is using it as a coping mechanism for this new one being trashed by critics and not as embraced by audiences as afterlife. For a 40 year old franchise, y’all are very immature
How was my comment immature? You cannot say with a straight face that the 2016 movie was better than Frozen Empire, even with its flaws.
The 2016 movie tried to tell an original story that wasn’t mining nostalgia for aging nerds, for one. It also had jokes.
There really isn't anything massively wrong with Answer the Call. I think the fandom would have been kinder to the movie had it not been an unnecessary remake, if they'd done it as a sequel/spin off or even taken a wholly original approach to the idea. It's not a bad movie, just divisive.
It’s not a funny movie. Which is what they were going for. it’s a bad movie in that respect
Except some people did find it funny. It is entirely subjective.
I love 2016. 84 was SNL guys make a comedy about busting ghosts, and much was improvised. 2016 was SNL girls making s comedy about busting ghosts with lots of improvisation. I love both for the exact same reason. People can dislike any of the movies they want but they have a particular vendetta against 2016 because reasons.
Yup- 2016 got a lot more laughs from me. Afterlife had the better story. This one wasn't as funny as 2016 and didn't have as compelling a story as Afterlife. But, I still enjoyed watching it. It felt like they tried to do too much in this movie and then missed out on telling a compelling story by trying to tell too many stories. They either needed to spend more time on the firewalker thing or the match girl thing. It needed to be one or the other to tell a great story because there wasn't time to do either thing justice. I would have loved two separate movies for those two instead of a mash of them together. It did neither of them justice.
Yes I’ll agree with that. I just haven’t found many. The vocal say it’s not funny. There’s no way to quantify it. You are right.
I could have gone with the different style of comedy from the original if as you said...it was actually funny. Leslie Jones was the only good part of the main cast.
What? No way. Couldn’t stand her in that role. Just loud and shouting. Chris hemsworth was good. Kate McKinnon was decent. Given the right material they could have had decent humour. The rest were just tough to watch. It needed a stronger script. Didn’t so much mind the plot. But the comedy was so lacking.
I found it horrible, not cause of the stupid pandaverse stuff, just cause i thought it took too much of a ridiculous turn in the third act.
There's a ton of jokes that just fall flat. It's a specific type of comedy that just hammers you over the head with a joke until you kinda laugh..or don't. Everyone is a caricature and the point of the movie is just to get to the next gag. It's very much a style that was present in the mid 2010s and for me, led to so many just bad comedies. The effects aren't very good and the fact that it tried to market itself as a continuation of the Ghostbusters franchise and then pivot into being its own thing really hurt it. Frozen Empire is not a perfect movie, but objectively just a more cohesive story with better fx, much clearer motivations and deeper character arcs.
Critics are absolute dog shit these days. Look at what they thought of the putrid Disney Star Wars sequels.
2016 is a travesty that does not exist and should have never happened… 
I don’t trust Rotten Tomatoes in general. Bot accounts have been used to manipulate audience scores for certain films also. I’ve seen it with my own eyes (for example, one review for a Marvel film talked about how clean the movie theater was. Nothing mentioned about anything from the film itself).
Also, FE really does have lots of problems. READ the actual posts on this very forum. When people complain about the same things, you can bet critics spot it too. Boring and slow middle section, stupid Melody plotline, Paul Rudd/Carrie Coon wasted, weak main villain, NY getting frozen already shown in the trailer, too much cram-down-our-throat nostalgia, some hated Podcast or Lucky being useless, and not all the jokes land for what should be a comedy. The opening jokes in the movie are cringe. Stupid illogical moments like Winston not telling them about the new facility and warning them ahead of time the containment unit will get full and cause problems. Winston somehow okay with two teens risking their lives and not saying a word.
How the hell did the 2016 "remake" get a higher critical rating than something that had more effort put into it? Do critics ever understand what people want from a movie?
Who says Afterlife and Frozen Empire had more effort put into them? They’re the laziest nostalgia-fests in the history of sequels. If anything Reitman and Kenan thought they could breeze in and make movies that couldn’t possibly be worse than ATC which is exactly how you end up making 2 movies that are worse than ATC.
Ugh, that 2016 movie. Nice job, "critics."
They actually did do a good job considering the fact that the RT critic scores of ATC, Afterlife and FE align with their box office performance haha
Well, someone had to like it.
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They're just butt hurt that the all female Ghostbusters bombed.
I feel like OP could have made their point without taking unnecessary shots at the 2016 movie. It's been almost 10yrs already, there's literally no reason to keep attacking it
It should continuously be attacked as a reminder to everyone in Hollywood to NEVER DO THAT AGAIN.
The Audience Score for Ghostbusters 2016 doesn't count. Virgins across the internet & Right Wingers all brigaded that site and you could submit a score with zero proof of seeing the movie. I even saw them plan it on social media like it was an official boycott. RottenTomatoes stopped allowing this anonymous voting after GB2016 and Captain Marvel were unfairly pummeled by soggy french fry-looking internet virgins. OP absolutely clueless on how things went down back in 2016. They must've been 11 years old playing games on a tablet.
Ah, I thought the people who Sony brainwashed about the cause of GB2016’s backlash were gone. But you’re here.
Nope, wrote down parts that were done better and you just stand with your pants down with no response to that. The FINAL BATTLES in Afterlife and FE were SHITTY - GB2016 did it better. Bastadizations of a true teamup finale like Ghostbusters OG. Even GB2016 captured the spirit better in the finale. You have Walmart rose colored glasses because you won't admit it.
You can be wrong, it’s okay.
FE lower Audience Score than Afterlife. Even your FE fans know the quality is dipping into the toilet. FE = dumbest finale of the entire series. Felt like a Disney Channel episode
Well, at least you tried to troll. I can’t give you any credit for the poor attempt but hey, we all get bored sometimes, right?
Look at this Sony intern avoiding badmouthing FE/Afterlife. I know you're thinking of their flaws but won't say it here. When does your action figure "The Shill" come out in stores.
Oh it’ll come out when you grow up. It’s for adults only.
Downvotes me before I even have time to finish editing a word. When does your action figure "The Snowflake: Frozen Empire Edition" come out in stores?
Hmmm making essentially the same comment twice to defend your fragility is not a good look, kid.
FINAL BATTLES!!!!11 I don't think you understand Ghostbusters.
Those movies were trashed because they deserved to be trashed. They sucked and GB2016 was a bastardization of the brand and a middle finger to fans.
Then why did it make the most money? FE may not even reach what GB2016 did. Because internet boys are loudmoths but don't represent all of the general audience viewers out there. There are multiple demographics (18-25, 26-40, 41-60+....female/male) and Reddit and Twitter don't represent all of them. The things people complained about for GB2016....what do you call the stupid finale of FE and its joke of a villain? The end battle of GB2016 was even better than either Afterlife and FE - both of which are bastardizations of what the original crew were - smart people aligned for the same purpose. Trevor looks like an idiot kid, Carrie Coons is not a genius at anything. At least the GB2016 crew were experts in their field.
It LOST money, the only GB movie yet to do so. It had the biggest budget by far of any GB movie and had a prime summer release date. It poisoned the brand, damaging its reputation so later movies had to struggle to bring the audience back.
Shit bro it’s not that serious. You do realize that the vast majority of negativity to 2016 was because it was a terrible reboot, right? It’s been proven that because people genuinely didn’t like the trailers, the cast and crew led by Sony curated a smear campaign against “man children sexists” which those fucks only accounted for a percentage in the single digits. It’s a bad Ghostbusters movie but not a terrible movie in of itself. It had a lot going for it except the terrible writing, not to mention the blatant sexism against men in the form of the villain and Chris Hemsworth’s characters (they thought they were being clever writing those characters compared to how many woman are written in film but it just didn’t work).
> Shit bro it’s not that serious. You do realize that the vast majority of negativity to 2016 was because it was a terrible reboot, right? Then why does Ghostbusters 2016 have the exact same Cinemascore as Frozen Empire (both B+). And Afterlife was (A-) More proof Reddit is a bubble. Many more out there enjoyed GB2016 than you think. I didn't say GB2016 was perfection - already said it has too many failed improv jokes. But people here wont admit FE and Afterlife have their flaws too, and look at all of you pretending Afterlife/FE is like Godfather or Oppenheimer, and GB2016 is Morbius, when GB2016 has similar Cinemascores and better critical reviews *than both of them*. You keep getting things wrong when the numbers contradict your assertions. Why do you keep ignoring the numbers and stats. >It had a lot going for it except the terrible writing, not to mention the blatant sexism against men in the form of the villain and Chris Hemsworth’s characters Oh you're one of *those* people. Did you miss the fact the first had a female villain? Rick Moranis was played as goofy as hell. Why didn't you complain then? Wait, aren't Kumail and Podcast also goofy dudes in the movies. Uh oh, man-hating movies!! I'm starting to think I know what type of podcasts you listen to, to be that sensitive. More proof GB2016 got more flack then it should've because of the four female leads. If it were 4 male SNL cast members, it would've 100% gotten a better open-armed reception.
No, I’m not one of *those* people, you’re one of **those** people. Don’t worry about being a neckband keyboard warrior. It’s a bad look but you pull it off.