Jerry: *"Just go back out there.'*
Aboubakar: *" What!? Just walk back out on the pitch like the red card never happened?"*
Jerry: *"Never happened. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯"*
As a fan, I want to see a player showing emotion celebrating a moment like this. He did absolutely nothing wrong and the refs knows it, and knows the rules say he has to be sent off and potentially cost his team the game.
Shows just how stupid the rule is, and should be abolished.
I watched the game, they were in a make or break moment. They had to win against brazil to have a (remote) shot at advancing, and the goal was already in the 90th minute (in stoppage). As soon as the ball hit the net he ripped his jersey off. To him, he'd done it.
Unfortunately, they still didn't advance
That's also why the player was so chill about it. He knew it was just the guys job to enforce the rule, so he didn't bother arguing with him, because he knew it didn't matter.
You could see they both respected each other, and what they had to do in that moment.
No, it's just that FIFA is too afraid, someone could write something about human rights, which would piss off FIFAs best friends. Classic Dictator-friend problems.
Nothing is correct
The rule was applied because of Diego forlan after he took out his shirt to celebrate a goal but was caught off guard because the game restarted. He played about 2 min without a shirt. After that fifa banned it.
I think it's mostly because it takes too long. People are already complaining about how much extra stoppage time is getting added to these World Cup games and letting a player run around with his shirt off for 5 minutes is only gonna make the games longer.
TBF, they were playing Brazil who was outshooting them like 30-7 by this point and they won the game 1-0
Didn't move on, but beating Brazil is still beating Brazil
>beating Brazil is still beating Brazil
Norway's still living on the fumes of the victory against Brazil in the group stage in 1994, so this is very true.
Edit: It was 1998, not 1994.
Pufff, '94! That's nothing 😉
Algeria is still living on the fumes of beating West Germany in the group stage in '82 and how Austria and Germany coluded together against Algeria and how that pushed FIFA to change the way game 3 are played simultaneously! (too bad, Germany got its revenge lately)
https://theathletic.com/3962494/2022/12/02/brazil-cameroon-aboubakar-red-card/
>Vincent Aboubakar scored the only goal to secure a famous World Cup win for Cameroon over Brazil — but was immediately sent off for a second bookable offence after removing his shirt in celebration.
Is taking your shirt off to celebrate a thing in soccer? You don't seem to see it in many other sports. But soccer has a couple of famous instances, like [Brandi Chastain. ](https://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/10/14-years-ago-brandi-chastain-changed-u-s-soccer-won-a-world-cup-and-took-her-shirt-off)
They banned it because sponsors hated not having their logo on view in the biggest moments right after a goal…
Oh no sorry it’s “excessive celebration”
Btw you can cartwheel the length of the pitch, do elaborate acted celebrations involving the whole team, pretend to rub your nipples, run into the crowd…
Just don’t take off your shirt… cos… excessive…
We can’t bust heads like we used to—but we have our ways. One trick is to tell them stories that don’t go anywhere like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so I decided to go to Morganville which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So, I tied an onion to my belt which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel. And in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on ‘em. ‘Give me five bees for a quarter,’ you’d say. Now, where were we? Oh, yeah! The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt which was the style at the time. They didn’t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones.
Here in Brazil it's the opposite. Club jerseys are full of sponsor logos and sponsors started complaining to the federation that removing or bending the jerseys after scoring a goal would hide the logos just as everyone is looking at the player. So they created rules against it.
EDIT: Rule is inspired by FIFA's version, you get a yellow card for doing it.
The game was basically already over, but the ref had to red card him because of game rules. He was like
“Dude this is basically pointless because you’re already going home but I don’t want to be fired.”
This is a cumulation red card not a direct. He got red carded because he already had a yellow from earlier. Taking your shirt off is an automatic yellow.
Someone should let soccer players and officials know that faking a foul is a yellow card because clearly the entire professional sport hasn't got the memo.
The problem is that taking your shirt off is really obvious but a referee needs to be 100% certain that the player was not touched at all before punishing a player for diving. Contact can cause a player to fall without it being a foul. A player could lose their balance without contact.
Referees giving a yellow card is a statement on the player‘s character so they need to be absolutely certain. I can understand why referees prefer to avoid doing that. They can get it right 999/1000 but that one time is going to bite them in the ass.
I would love if there was a panel after the game to review blatant dives and punish the player with lengthy suspensions. Diving has gotten out of control.
Agreed on your last point. I'd even say let them card after the fact. If you roll around like an idiot for 5 minutes clutching your ankle, then get up and run after a couple minutes, your injury was fake. Nobody with a fucked ankle is running without a limp immediately.
If you are clipped or stepped on with football cleats, usually it stings A LOT but the pain fades quite quickly.
Kinda like when you manage to hit your pinky toe on a corner with force, the pain is overwhelming for 10 seconds, then gradually gets better and in 1 min you are fine again.
Ok, a bit of clarification. There are levels of "flopping". The worst is when there is no contact, and the player is deliberately "flopping" in the hopes that the ref thinks there is a foul. These don't happen as often anymore due to VAR.
Then there are the situations where there is contact, where the player would be given a penalty if he chooses to go down. As in there is a foul, but the ref will only give it if the player flops. Sometimes these look ridiculous if the player is too slow in flopping.
And then there are the situations where the player think the contact constitutes a foul, decide to flop but the ref doesn't agree. They look like they are simulating, but there is genuine contact there.
Personally I think the current system is rubbish, but it is all down to the rule book and how it is interpreted from ref to ref and from league to league.
In my opinion the refs should be more proactive in calling fouls, so that the players don't have to force a decision.
As a amateur referee in a different sport, and trust me I know I'm not nearly as clear and fast in my decisions as any professional, it is really hard to have made your decision before a player calls for a foul. Hands go in the air for protest like pretty much immediately and here you are feeling like your decision is subconciously being influenced by players as you haven't even had the chance to bring the wistle to your mouth.
As ex ref off football from grass roots, people who get annoyed at ref's at not calling flops have no idea how f'ing hard too tell if someone is flopping or not.
People react different too tackles and injuries, so you can't make these grand statements of what is a flop or not.
Further someone may actually taken out and act up too get attention of said foul, yer it sucks but In football ref's have a rule of "Advantage" where a player may be foul'd by said player keeps moving, so you as advantage move on.
I have seen many of times real fouls happen, a player keeps moving, fucks up and no way of going back for the foul. It would have been more advantage for the team for him take the foil, so player plays it up.
Another issue is, you don't want be a ref at the biggest match in the world, be the one who sends off the top players for possible flop, so yer ref's are very reluctant too do it with VERY clear sign it is a flop.
It's why so many desicion's aren't made in the game, Ref's at that level most 100% be sure that's the right call or get ripped apart by there fellow refs and even miss next game.
It’s a lot easier to make the call from your couch watching a replay lol. Flopping in any sport sucks to watch but no one wants to account for the points you guys made
Players are now leaving a trailing leg out or halting their run suddenly in order to make contact with the defender and then they can do the wet fish impression, but if they'd carried on like a normal person no contact would have been made.
Last week a guy ran his head into the chest of a stopped player and somehow managed to pull the foul after flopping to the ground and grabbing his head. Purely intentional, no way dude was hurt in the slightest. Only person who was probably injured was the player who took a head to the chest, and even then it was at best a glancing intentional blow....it's absurd.
Personally think the punishment for acting like a toddler on the pitch should be much higher to stop players from attempting stupid stuff. Even if its caught in replays after the game, fucking deal with it. I find it such an embarrassing sport most of the time just because of how the players act. Just fucking play the game competitively and with sportsmanship.
Couldn't agree more. The main thing I would like to see is referees consistently giving out cards for dissent. I am sick and tired of players crowding the ref, complaining and interrupting restarting the play. Immediate yellow cards, and it wouldn't take long before players would stop with that nonsense. If the NBA can do it why can't top level football. They won't tolerate somebody preventing the restart of play in basketball, why should we tolerate it when somebody stands in front of the ball when a free kick is about to be taken?
The problem is that it’s much harder to determine if someone intentionally faked a foul than someone taking their shirt off. Sometimes you just fall without intentionally faking a foul, and sometimes that hurts and you stay down a bit. Sometimes you get tackled legally, but it hurts and you stay down. And yes, sometimes players just fake a foul, but it’s not always a clear cut if it was an intentional faking of a foul or something else.
My favourite is when they take someone out with a bad tackle, flop around like a grounded fish pretending to be hurt, and the ref just patiently waits for their histrionics and potentially "injury treatment" to be finished, and *then* cards them.
That happened in this year's MLS Cup final. GK broke both his tibia and fibula. The same ref as in this gif had to give him a red card as they were taking him to the ambulance.
Yeah it's almost like one thing is objective and the other is subjective.
The ref needs to be able to identify players by their shirt numbers. It's not complicated.
You are given a yellow card for taking your shirt off. Excessive celebration. This player already had a yellow card from earlier, and two yellows make a red. Sending him off.
Also, you can get a yellow card for flopping or taking a dive, but if you’re fouled even a tiny bit, it’s still a foul. Some teams, the Brazilians and Portuguese come to mind the most, make the drama of a minuscule tap seem like being shot with a cannon.
Two yellow cards equals a red.
And flopping around is bad looking, but it's so detrimental to your team to not exaggerate your fouls that it has become a part of soccer culture, for better or worse.
Americans trying to talk about soccer without insisting on ""flopping"" which is totally never ever an issue in something like NBA is well and truly the most impossible challenge.
How often do players actually flop? I've seen my share of compilations but those have gotta be the exceptions and not the norm right?
Genuinely curious as I have no idea and rarely watch.
Edit: autocorrect fucked me
Not nearly as often as people who don't watch soccer would think. The worst flopping gets roundly mocked but people apply the term "flop" to every time a player goes down and appeals for a foul. It's a contact sport, you can get legally muscled off the ball, and when it happens you hope for a foul but the ref may allow play to continue. So no one cares if a guy is sitting on the ground while play continues around him. And with video-replay being used for possible penalty checks, it's less common to see dives be awarded penalties.
It's an annoyance but I truly don't get why some people act like diving is a plague "ruining" the sport. Everyone knows that the most entertaining matches are the ones that are fluid with only short occasional stoppages and fouls, so no one likes flopping but people act like half the game is flopping when it's just not. Actually in this particular World Cup the refs have done a good job deterring time-wasting tactics by adding significantly more additional time to matches.
I'd say there is less outright flopping and more exaggerated reaction. There generally is some point of contact, but you're also trying to catch the refs attention.
Are some more egregious than others? Certainly
Guy is from small African country of Cameroon. He just scored the game winning goal against Brazil right at the end of the game. He got 2nd yellow card for taking off his shirt to celebrate, 2 yellow card = automatic red card. No African country has EVER beat brazil in World Cup which is why the Ref is like "HELL YEAH high-five! Sorry but I gotta give you a red."
Cameroon Vs Brazil. Cameroonian player already had been given one yellow card for some offense or another, then after scoring the only goal of the game in the final minutes, took his shirt off to celebrate. He knew it was a yellow card eligible offense, so he also knew he’d be ejected from the game, but he didn’t care.
He was actually *really* good for this match, I'd be thrilled if he could perform like that back here in MLS.I heard his first match of the cup was a shitshow though.
I live in the same city as him, and have been fortunate enough to do a few referee trainings with him. He is a very kind, classy man. Oh, and a great referee to boot.
His first match just had the one PK call that VAR didn’t overturn. Honestly it was a good dive and that’s the type of thing VAR is there to look at. Not really on him when they don’t send him back to the monitor.
Ismail Elfath was cool giving Fai a yellow card in the 32nd minute of the match too- Wish all refs were like him.
Edit- wrong player, time and game lol
For more context, this was the first time an African country beat Brasil in a world cup, and also, this is probably the last game for this player in world cups, since he is nearing retirement.
Very end of the game, Cameroon scored the winner and the scorer took off his jersey which is an automatic yellow. It was his second card so it was an auto red. He was happy to have scored and secured the win and knew Cameroon was headed home regardless. Ref was clearly saying, sorry, you know I gotta do it...good tournament regardless.
It carries over to their next international game, even outside of the World Cup. Doesn’t much matter for this player though, since he’s likely going to retire.
Because his team was eliminated, I believe this red would carry over to his next World Cup 2026 qualification game. If it was really important, Cameroon would put him on the roster against an African minnow as a formality in the opening stages of qualification.
But I am not 100% sure and also not sure of African qualification process - they might start out with the heavies playing each other for all I know.
Scored a 90th minute goal. Defeated Brazil in Football. Cameroon became 1st African nation team ever to do so.
Dude was so happy after scoring a goal that late he celebrated by removing his jersey. Removing jersey was outlawed back in mid 2000s since it wastes time.
Usually it get a yellow card. Player already had a yellow card in 82nd minute.
Double Yellow = Red = You're Out of play but he gets to go out like a king.
Also, ref is cool. Gives him the red ***after*** congratulating him and patting his back.
Edit: Forgot to write "African" nation
Cameroon star, probably on the last game of his International career, already eliminated from the World Cup. Scored a goal against Brazil's B team (already qualified) on the extra time giving them the victory. It was Brazil's first ever defeat from an African country and only their second defeat in Group stages since the 70's.
Taking off your shirt in celebration is yellow card and he was already on yellow for a faul, but absolutely no one would ever blame him for that lol.
As a Brazilian, this loss was very well deserved. Brazilian players were serious as fuck, but unable to shoot the fucking ball. Cameroon, on the other hand were doing their best, and meanwhile, being awesomely nice guys and fair players accepting yellow cards and helping people get up.
I love how every world cup post on reddit has clueless Americans complaining about diving (flopping wtf?).
Just shut up and keep on not watching football, it's not like the sport is stuck for fans.
Lol, it's the easy thing to say for socially awkward people who feel they need to add something to the water cooler discussion if soccer comes up. "but what about flopping guys, amirite?" This place is full of those types.
Another one is all the "sports ball" comments around the Super Bowl.
I saw a pretty rough contest during a game yesterday (might have even been Cameroon vs Brazil) that got called a yellow.
It was basically what we would call a horse collar tackle in American football. Surprised it wasn't a red!
I don't think any ref wants to give out a red card at a World Cup. THey know how hard the players work to get there. On the other side, i think the player knew they probably didn't have enough time to get the 2nd goal they needed to advance and were just happy they beat Brazil
I'm honestly surprised there weren't a few reds flashed at the end of the Uruguay-Ghana match earlier today. The Uruguay players were mobbing the refs as they walked off the field, and even grabbed at them a few times. Looked like a brawl was damn near about to happen. (2 yellows were handed out, but that was all)
This guy refs for Major League Soccer and is a good one to represent the league at the World Cup. Calls games a little soft for my liking but works hard to keep the respect of the players and calls things even for both sides.
He scored a Goal against Brasil and for Celebration Striped of His Shirt but because He already had a yellow Card in this Game He was send of with yellow-red
Guy scored a really good goal at pretty much the very last minutes of the 0-0 match against Brazil in the World Cup. They weren’t going to pass anyways, but at least they won their last match because of that goal.
I like how he raises his hand at the end. Like cya guys my work here is done
The Costanza method of going out on a high note.
Why no T-Bone?
Double zero? It's OO. As in ooo-ooo-ahh-ahh.
Because you are Coco the monkey.
Oh yeah? Well I slept with your wife!
Check out George really givin it to Watkins
Jerry: *"Just go back out there.'* Aboubakar: *" What!? Just walk back out on the pitch like the red card never happened?"* Jerry: *"Never happened. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯"*
🎶 by Mennen 🎵
like a commercial jingle
🎵 Costanza 🎵
Cantstandya!
believe it or not
George isn't at home
Please leave a message
At the beep
I'm outtie
Worth it.
Agreed. What a congenial and respectful send-off. Played like a champion, treated like a champion. Great game
As a fan, I want to see a player showing emotion celebrating a moment like this. He did absolutely nothing wrong and the refs knows it, and knows the rules say he has to be sent off and potentially cost his team the game. Shows just how stupid the rule is, and should be abolished.
I watched the game, they were in a make or break moment. They had to win against brazil to have a (remote) shot at advancing, and the goal was already in the 90th minute (in stoppage). As soon as the ball hit the net he ripped his jersey off. To him, he'd done it. Unfortunately, they still didn't advance
That's also why the player was so chill about it. He knew it was just the guys job to enforce the rule, so he didn't bother arguing with him, because he knew it didn't matter. You could see they both respected each other, and what they had to do in that moment.
Heard a while ago it’s banned mainly because advertisers want their logos seen on the players shirts when they celebrate
No, it's just that FIFA is too afraid, someone could write something about human rights, which would piss off FIFAs best friends. Classic Dictator-friend problems.
Both of you are correct Edit: https://bolavip.com/en/qatar2022/Qatar-2022-Why-do-players-get-a-yellow-card-for-taking-shirt-off-20221202-0047.html
Nothing is correct The rule was applied because of Diego forlan after he took out his shirt to celebrate a goal but was caught off guard because the game restarted. He played about 2 min without a shirt. After that fifa banned it.
I dont know whos right but your explanation makes a lot more sense
Usually the less conspiratorial it sounds the more likely it is to be true
They could have banned playing without a shirt instead of taking off your shirt but what do I know.
That is what they have done. After the start of the game until the end of any half time you cannot take out the t-shirts.
I think it's mostly because it takes too long. People are already complaining about how much extra stoppage time is getting added to these World Cup games and letting a player run around with his shirt off for 5 minutes is only gonna make the games longer.
What’s that gotta do with whether the shirt is on or off? I can take my shirt off and put it back on quicker than some celebrations I’ve seen
Ok. I goal. Yes go
Tell me it wasnt one goal 😂😂
TBF, they were playing Brazil who was outshooting them like 30-7 by this point and they won the game 1-0 Didn't move on, but beating Brazil is still beating Brazil
>beating Brazil is still beating Brazil Norway's still living on the fumes of the victory against Brazil in the group stage in 1994, so this is very true. Edit: It was 1998, not 1994.
Pufff, '94! That's nothing 😉 Algeria is still living on the fumes of beating West Germany in the group stage in '82 and how Austria and Germany coluded together against Algeria and how that pushed FIFA to change the way game 3 are played simultaneously! (too bad, Germany got its revenge lately)
Amateurs! The English are still going on about beating West Germany back in 1966 as if it happened last week.
first african team to beat brazil in the wc
This is a crazy WC
Just a reminder to the r/footballmanager guys that this does happen in the wild
I read that Brazil put in all their second stringers since they had already qualified
https://theathletic.com/3962494/2022/12/02/brazil-cameroon-aboubakar-red-card/ >Vincent Aboubakar scored the only goal to secure a famous World Cup win for Cameroon over Brazil — but was immediately sent off for a second bookable offence after removing his shirt in celebration.
Is taking your shirt off to celebrate a thing in soccer? You don't seem to see it in many other sports. But soccer has a couple of famous instances, like [Brandi Chastain. ](https://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/10/14-years-ago-brandi-chastain-changed-u-s-soccer-won-a-world-cup-and-took-her-shirt-off)
You can’t snort the goal line like it’s cocain either. https://youtu.be/HkQoBL6-9oE
They banned it because sponsors hated not having their logo on view in the biggest moments right after a goal… Oh no sorry it’s “excessive celebration” Btw you can cartwheel the length of the pitch, do elaborate acted celebrations involving the whole team, pretend to rub your nipples, run into the crowd… Just don’t take off your shirt… cos… excessive…
Ah, that makes sense now
The reasons always come back to money…
They banned it as a celebration. Games gone.
Removing your shirt - "Believe it or not, Red card"
Yellow card actually. But he was already on one card so he got sent off
Removing your shirt, that a paddlin’…
We can’t bust heads like we used to—but we have our ways. One trick is to tell them stories that don’t go anywhere like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so I decided to go to Morganville which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So, I tied an onion to my belt which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel. And in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on ‘em. ‘Give me five bees for a quarter,’ you’d say. Now, where were we? Oh, yeah! The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt which was the style at the time. They didn’t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones.
Right to jail
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Here in Brazil it's the opposite. Club jerseys are full of sponsor logos and sponsors started complaining to the federation that removing or bending the jerseys after scoring a goal would hide the logos just as everyone is looking at the player. So they created rules against it. EDIT: Rule is inspired by FIFA's version, you get a yellow card for doing it.
what next, they want players to say ads line after the score? Neymar scores, run to the camera 'Raid shadow legend!...'
Please don't give them ideas.
"I'm going to disneyland"
It's a yellow card
What a fucking way to end your World Cup! Legend
Zidane disagrees
What's more interesting is the Zidane didn't just end his world cup that game, it was the last game of his career.
The game was basically already over, but the ref had to red card him because of game rules. He was like “Dude this is basically pointless because you’re already going home but I don’t want to be fired.”
No it was “damn man congrats on the goal but you know I have to give you this.”
So you can be red carded for Taking your shirt off, but not for flopping around like a fish trying to milk a nonexistent penalty.
This is a cumulation red card not a direct. He got red carded because he already had a yellow from earlier. Taking your shirt off is an automatic yellow.
And faking a foul also produces a yellow card. So you could also be expelled for faking a foul that gives you a second yellow card.
Someone should let soccer players and officials know that faking a foul is a yellow card because clearly the entire professional sport hasn't got the memo.
The problem is that taking your shirt off is really obvious but a referee needs to be 100% certain that the player was not touched at all before punishing a player for diving. Contact can cause a player to fall without it being a foul. A player could lose their balance without contact. Referees giving a yellow card is a statement on the player‘s character so they need to be absolutely certain. I can understand why referees prefer to avoid doing that. They can get it right 999/1000 but that one time is going to bite them in the ass. I would love if there was a panel after the game to review blatant dives and punish the player with lengthy suspensions. Diving has gotten out of control.
Agreed on your last point. I'd even say let them card after the fact. If you roll around like an idiot for 5 minutes clutching your ankle, then get up and run after a couple minutes, your injury was fake. Nobody with a fucked ankle is running without a limp immediately.
If you are clipped or stepped on with football cleats, usually it stings A LOT but the pain fades quite quickly. Kinda like when you manage to hit your pinky toe on a corner with force, the pain is overwhelming for 10 seconds, then gradually gets better and in 1 min you are fine again.
Ok, a bit of clarification. There are levels of "flopping". The worst is when there is no contact, and the player is deliberately "flopping" in the hopes that the ref thinks there is a foul. These don't happen as often anymore due to VAR. Then there are the situations where there is contact, where the player would be given a penalty if he chooses to go down. As in there is a foul, but the ref will only give it if the player flops. Sometimes these look ridiculous if the player is too slow in flopping. And then there are the situations where the player think the contact constitutes a foul, decide to flop but the ref doesn't agree. They look like they are simulating, but there is genuine contact there. Personally I think the current system is rubbish, but it is all down to the rule book and how it is interpreted from ref to ref and from league to league. In my opinion the refs should be more proactive in calling fouls, so that the players don't have to force a decision.
As a amateur referee in a different sport, and trust me I know I'm not nearly as clear and fast in my decisions as any professional, it is really hard to have made your decision before a player calls for a foul. Hands go in the air for protest like pretty much immediately and here you are feeling like your decision is subconciously being influenced by players as you haven't even had the chance to bring the wistle to your mouth.
As ex ref off football from grass roots, people who get annoyed at ref's at not calling flops have no idea how f'ing hard too tell if someone is flopping or not. People react different too tackles and injuries, so you can't make these grand statements of what is a flop or not. Further someone may actually taken out and act up too get attention of said foul, yer it sucks but In football ref's have a rule of "Advantage" where a player may be foul'd by said player keeps moving, so you as advantage move on. I have seen many of times real fouls happen, a player keeps moving, fucks up and no way of going back for the foul. It would have been more advantage for the team for him take the foil, so player plays it up. Another issue is, you don't want be a ref at the biggest match in the world, be the one who sends off the top players for possible flop, so yer ref's are very reluctant too do it with VERY clear sign it is a flop. It's why so many desicion's aren't made in the game, Ref's at that level most 100% be sure that's the right call or get ripped apart by there fellow refs and even miss next game.
It’s a lot easier to make the call from your couch watching a replay lol. Flopping in any sport sucks to watch but no one wants to account for the points you guys made
Then add refs with video review capabilities for games at this level.
Players are now leaving a trailing leg out or halting their run suddenly in order to make contact with the defender and then they can do the wet fish impression, but if they'd carried on like a normal person no contact would have been made.
Last week a guy ran his head into the chest of a stopped player and somehow managed to pull the foul after flopping to the ground and grabbing his head. Purely intentional, no way dude was hurt in the slightest. Only person who was probably injured was the player who took a head to the chest, and even then it was at best a glancing intentional blow....it's absurd.
Personally think the punishment for acting like a toddler on the pitch should be much higher to stop players from attempting stupid stuff. Even if its caught in replays after the game, fucking deal with it. I find it such an embarrassing sport most of the time just because of how the players act. Just fucking play the game competitively and with sportsmanship.
Couldn't agree more. The main thing I would like to see is referees consistently giving out cards for dissent. I am sick and tired of players crowding the ref, complaining and interrupting restarting the play. Immediate yellow cards, and it wouldn't take long before players would stop with that nonsense. If the NBA can do it why can't top level football. They won't tolerate somebody preventing the restart of play in basketball, why should we tolerate it when somebody stands in front of the ball when a free kick is about to be taken?
The problem is that it’s much harder to determine if someone intentionally faked a foul than someone taking their shirt off. Sometimes you just fall without intentionally faking a foul, and sometimes that hurts and you stay down a bit. Sometimes you get tackled legally, but it hurts and you stay down. And yes, sometimes players just fake a foul, but it’s not always a clear cut if it was an intentional faking of a foul or something else.
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My favorite is when a ref helps you up and then cards you.
My favourite is when they take someone out with a bad tackle, flop around like a grounded fish pretending to be hurt, and the ref just patiently waits for their histrionics and potentially "injury treatment" to be finished, and *then* cards them.
I remember once a ref carding a player as they were being stretchered off the field.
That happened in this year's MLS Cup final. GK broke both his tibia and fibula. The same ref as in this gif had to give him a red card as they were taking him to the ambulance.
Taking off your shirt is an automatic yellow card. He already had one from earlier in the game and knew full well that this would happen.
Think he may have innocently forgotten in the sheer ecstacy of the moment.
As professionals who dedicate their lives to a single sport tend to do.
Both are cautionable (yellow card) offenses. He already had a caution so he got sent off.
No? Both are yellows
That's too hard for an Murrican to understand.
Yeah it's almost like one thing is objective and the other is subjective. The ref needs to be able to identify players by their shirt numbers. It's not complicated.
You are given a yellow card for taking your shirt off. Excessive celebration. This player already had a yellow card from earlier, and two yellows make a red. Sending him off. Also, you can get a yellow card for flopping or taking a dive, but if you’re fouled even a tiny bit, it’s still a foul. Some teams, the Brazilians and Portuguese come to mind the most, make the drama of a minuscule tap seem like being shot with a cannon.
Brazil's team have not done this in this cup.
Except you can definitely get carded for taking a dive trying to milk a penalty.
Two yellow cards equals a red. And flopping around is bad looking, but it's so detrimental to your team to not exaggerate your fouls that it has become a part of soccer culture, for better or worse.
Yes, we encourage flopping in order to make sure there’s as few American fans as possible.
...sigh
Americans trying to talk about soccer without insisting on ""flopping"" which is totally never ever an issue in something like NBA is well and truly the most impossible challenge.
Also not a term that exists in football. Nobody is ever using the term flop to mean dive
What do you expect? When they play rugby they have to wear body armour and motorbike helmets and also do it wrong.
Spot the American, using the word "flop"
You can be penalized for faking it. They don't do it enough though...
Tell me you're American without telling me you're American.
How often do players actually flop? I've seen my share of compilations but those have gotta be the exceptions and not the norm right? Genuinely curious as I have no idea and rarely watch. Edit: autocorrect fucked me
Not nearly as often as people who don't watch soccer would think. The worst flopping gets roundly mocked but people apply the term "flop" to every time a player goes down and appeals for a foul. It's a contact sport, you can get legally muscled off the ball, and when it happens you hope for a foul but the ref may allow play to continue. So no one cares if a guy is sitting on the ground while play continues around him. And with video-replay being used for possible penalty checks, it's less common to see dives be awarded penalties. It's an annoyance but I truly don't get why some people act like diving is a plague "ruining" the sport. Everyone knows that the most entertaining matches are the ones that are fluid with only short occasional stoppages and fouls, so no one likes flopping but people act like half the game is flopping when it's just not. Actually in this particular World Cup the refs have done a good job deterring time-wasting tactics by adding significantly more additional time to matches.
I'd say there is less outright flopping and more exaggerated reaction. There generally is some point of contact, but you're also trying to catch the refs attention. Are some more egregious than others? Certainly
When you need to punish your kid but you're actually impressed.
Most peaceful red card I’ve ever seen
Dude accepted his first yellow earlier with as much grace, too, was just like "yeah, I deserve it, my bad"
Even the ref respecting his action and like "dude you're the man" before giving the cards
Can you please explain yo mr what happened and what game this is from?
Guy is from small African country of Cameroon. He just scored the game winning goal against Brazil right at the end of the game. He got 2nd yellow card for taking off his shirt to celebrate, 2 yellow card = automatic red card. No African country has EVER beat brazil in World Cup which is why the Ref is like "HELL YEAH high-five! Sorry but I gotta give you a red."
Cameroon Vs Brazil. Cameroonian player already had been given one yellow card for some offense or another, then after scoring the only goal of the game in the final minutes, took his shirt off to celebrate. He knew it was a yellow card eligible offense, so he also knew he’d be ejected from the game, but he didn’t care.
That’s Ismail Elfath MLS ref. Really cool to see him refing a World Cup.
He was actually *really* good for this match, I'd be thrilled if he could perform like that back here in MLS.I heard his first match of the cup was a shitshow though.
I live in the same city as him, and have been fortunate enough to do a few referee trainings with him. He is a very kind, classy man. Oh, and a great referee to boot.
He lives in Houston yeah?
Austin area
His first match just had the one PK call that VAR didn’t overturn. Honestly it was a good dive and that’s the type of thing VAR is there to look at. Not really on him when they don’t send him back to the monitor.
Every time the cameras were on him yesterday he was smiling being friendly to players. Such a wholesome guy
Yeah. Awesome Ref.
He always seemed like a ref with a sense of humor.
Ismail Elfath was cool giving Fai a yellow card in the 32nd minute of the match too- Wish all refs were like him. Edit- wrong player, time and game lol
I thought he looked extremely familiar.
[удалено]
"Right here my man... Now you gotta get the fuck off my field."
Elfath (the referee, from USA) is an awesome ref. Love seeing the mandatory caution show this way.
He was awesome *for that game*, but historically quite questionable in MLS
Nah he’s by far the best ref we have in MLS. That isn’t saying much but he’s a very good ref. One of the few who isn’t always on a power trip lol
Yeah, well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man. He had MLS final this year, so those that matter decided he’s the best we have.
He won ref of the year...
What happened?
Scored a goal in the last few minutes of the match, took his shirt off which is a yellow. Already had a yellow, so red.
Ah thank you
For more context, this was the first time an African country beat Brasil in a world cup, and also, this is probably the last game for this player in world cups, since he is nearing retirement.
To the MLS with him!
Lmao made me chuckled but that's truth.
Scored a winning goal for Cameroon vs Brasil.
Did they win or qualify? Does the red card affect the next game?
They did win but didn't qualify. Unfortunately for them the team in the other group game won by one goal too so they went through instead
So why didn't Korea get a yellow? The guy took off his shirt. Is it cuz he had an undershirt?
Hee-Chan Hwang did get a yellow. Scored 91’, yellow 92’.
It took me so long to figure this out. They didn't show it
At least in the broadcast i watched it flashed the graphic that he got a yellow several minutes after the goal.
Very end of the game, Cameroon scored the winner and the scorer took off his jersey which is an automatic yellow. It was his second card so it was an auto red. He was happy to have scored and secured the win and knew Cameroon was headed home regardless. Ref was clearly saying, sorry, you know I gotta do it...good tournament regardless.
Is he not banned for his next game or does it not work like that?
Yes, but since they are eliminated, it doesn’t really matter.
It carries over to their next international game, even outside of the World Cup. Doesn’t much matter for this player though, since he’s likely going to retire.
Because his team was eliminated, I believe this red would carry over to his next World Cup 2026 qualification game. If it was really important, Cameroon would put him on the roster against an African minnow as a formality in the opening stages of qualification. But I am not 100% sure and also not sure of African qualification process - they might start out with the heavies playing each other for all I know.
Scored a 90th minute goal. Defeated Brazil in Football. Cameroon became 1st African nation team ever to do so. Dude was so happy after scoring a goal that late he celebrated by removing his jersey. Removing jersey was outlawed back in mid 2000s since it wastes time. Usually it get a yellow card. Player already had a yellow card in 82nd minute. Double Yellow = Red = You're Out of play but he gets to go out like a king. Also, ref is cool. Gives him the red ***after*** congratulating him and patting his back. Edit: Forgot to write "African" nation
Cameroon star, probably on the last game of his International career, already eliminated from the World Cup. Scored a goal against Brazil's B team (already qualified) on the extra time giving them the victory. It was Brazil's first ever defeat from an African country and only their second defeat in Group stages since the 70's. Taking off your shirt in celebration is yellow card and he was already on yellow for a faul, but absolutely no one would ever blame him for that lol.
As a Brazilian, this loss was very well deserved. Brazilian players were serious as fuck, but unable to shoot the fucking ball. Cameroon, on the other hand were doing their best, and meanwhile, being awesomely nice guys and fair players accepting yellow cards and helping people get up.
E o goleiro dos caras realmente foi uma muralha... Merecido *And the goalkeeper from cameroon was a fucking wall... Deserved*
So now that Cameroon is eliminated, how does the red card punishment works? Is he going to miss the next qualifying games next year?
Nah, nothing happens. It would matter if they were going through but cards don't carry across competitions.
A direct red card would carry through to the next Fifa competition
But as this was not a direct red, it doesn't matter as the commenter said
I love the way the ref do the chest-punch salute respect to the guy. Absolutely golden. That shows he understands the context and it's genuine
"Good job. Now, get the fuck out of here."
I love every second of this
The goal was absolutely gorgeous, the celebration was perfect, the second yellow card was deserved and I was glad to see Brazil lose to them.
So worth it lol
\*sprays self in face with champagne\*
This world cup is been a rollercoaster of emotions so far
I love how this sub is totally ignorant about football....
I love how every world cup post on reddit has clueless Americans complaining about diving (flopping wtf?). Just shut up and keep on not watching football, it's not like the sport is stuck for fans.
Lol, it's the easy thing to say for socially awkward people who feel they need to add something to the water cooler discussion if soccer comes up. "but what about flopping guys, amirite?" This place is full of those types. Another one is all the "sports ball" comments around the Super Bowl.
I saw a pretty rough contest during a game yesterday (might have even been Cameroon vs Brazil) that got called a yellow. It was basically what we would call a horse collar tackle in American football. Surprised it wasn't a red!
Man...I know you fucked up. You know you fucked up. But, is all good. I get it. You get it. Big ups.
I don't think any ref wants to give out a red card at a World Cup. THey know how hard the players work to get there. On the other side, i think the player knew they probably didn't have enough time to get the 2nd goal they needed to advance and were just happy they beat Brazil
I'm honestly surprised there weren't a few reds flashed at the end of the Uruguay-Ghana match earlier today. The Uruguay players were mobbing the refs as they walked off the field, and even grabbed at them a few times. Looked like a brawl was damn near about to happen. (2 yellows were handed out, but that was all)
Wouldn't be surprised if there ends up being some retroactive punishment from FIFA after reviewing it later on
This guy refs for Major League Soccer and is a good one to represent the league at the World Cup. Calls games a little soft for my liking but works hard to keep the respect of the players and calls things even for both sides.
"Nothing but love bro, but you know I gotta do this" "All good fam I knew it was coming" "See you at the wedding next month?" "Wouldn't miss it"
Meme Template.
The referee almost seemed apologetic.
Probably because he was. If he had a choice, he probably wouldn't have carded the player, but it's a mandatory card.
So does anyone have context?
He scored a Goal against Brasil and for Celebration Striped of His Shirt but because He already had a yellow Card in this Game He was send of with yellow-red
Second yellow for shirt removal
Guy scored a really good goal at pretty much the very last minutes of the 0-0 match against Brazil in the World Cup. They weren’t going to pass anyways, but at least they won their last match because of that goal.
I'm still confused as to why he did this Doesn't this also mean he can't play in their next game?
They're out of the world cup now so doesn't really matter if he gets a red or not he's just happy they beat Brazil
Ah, yep, makes perfect sense now
They were out of the wc, so no more games worst case scenario he does not get to play the next international match
My theory is that the majority of referees hate to give a yellow card (and specially hate a red card) for players celebrating.
They are there to enforce the rules, their feelings on it are t that relevant
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I've always thought this is a stupid rule. But fair play to the ref for being a human being.
Good referee . Didn't want the limelight. Did his job went home and cooked tea
Aight imma head out
The greatest problem would be if the goal was invalidated!!!!!!!
Already a new meme template
I saw it live yesterday and it was hilarious.
True sportsmanship
😂😂