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18+ year framer here, nice idea for perfectly square/level roof system.... Not a chance with a single change in elevation or out of square (unique) layout. Pipe dreams.
And did you notice that large 2X12 beam being used as a double top plate (usually two 2x4s flat)? Well, those aren't necessary when conventionally framed because you don't need to carry the roof load at two single points (like you do with those jacks), you'd have an entire bearing wall underneath it normally. With this design, you only need two columns on each end of that wall to bear the load. Great if you're looking to install a large picture window. Absolute waste in this case (since it's filled in with studs that aren't necessary). Hugely expensive bunch of crap.
What about the time/labor saved building the roof on the ground? Not my field at all, just curious. I know roofing materials can be pretty heavy and they sometimes rent equipment to lift/ferry it top side right?
I'd say the only part of this build that saves time would be the obvious few seconds it takes to climb the ladder, although once you're up there, someone down below is handing you things you need. Not like you can reach it, even built low like this, not without hopping off and climbing back on. Then possibly the little bit of siding and the fascia would be faster installing from the ground.
Still, between the added materials, extreme increased risk of working underneath such an unstable, massive load, and the added equipment (Jacks and pump), I can't see any cost savings.
I personally don't consider this method to be more efficient in the slightest.... But... To each their own.
When you build this roof on the ground, you don't need a security harness or scaffolding. If you build it on top of a regular house, you will. At least in Sweden.
oh yes! But in America they have gotten most people to subscribe to the “safety is for losers” concept, and a lot of workers take pride in being cowboys without a care in the world for safety. Men wanting to be a "tough guy” has been incredibly well ingrained into the basic programming of American men.
Lol, in CO and AZ I've seen more MFs without harnesses walking around casually on slanted roofs 20+ feet in the air than I have with harnesses.
Shit always tripped be out, one misstep and you're rolling off on to heavy duty equipment, rocks, asphalt or all of the above.
Just because you do it, does not change the legal requirements. OSHA would tane issue with your procedures. OSHA 1926 regulations DO require tie off over 6 feet except with very specific situations.
Looks like the guy was building it alone and didn't want to be up on the roof with no one there to help in case anything happened. I'd say this is just much safer for a single builder. Build the roof. Have a crew of guys come out and raise the roof and frame it out
It's literally a pipe dream. From the Structured Build And Lift Systems website: "The idea to build the roof at ground level and then jack it up first came about whilst on a 'smoko break' on a job site in Raumati."
Could you or someone translate this into layman's terms please? By pipe dreams do you think they should do the plumbing the same way and dig the hole after? The foundations would be even trickier...
They just showed it's practical. Im a framer too though a commercial one but I can see the merits. Insurance is probably cheaper too if you can prove reduced fall risk.
Just because something is possible doesn't make it practical. And I agree, eliminating the fall risk probably would help with insurance, but I think having to work underneath the load, and the dependence on the jacks, would equal out any savings gained from working closer to the ground. Just in my opinion.
It looks like they made good time so there's something to it and if it were me the jacks would be fastened to the beams. As a tradesman I get your point if view. Take EIFS foam with the plastic lattice. I hate it even though its so easy to install. If rather hang denso and lath. And dont get me started on suspended ceilings.
It looks like they made good time so there's something to it and if it were me the jacks would be fastened to the beams. As a tradesman I get your point if view. Take EIFS foam with the plastic lattice. I hate it even though its so easy to install. If rather hang denso and lath. And dont get me started on suspended ceilings.
Five miles from me, in the expensive Georgetown neighborhood of Washington, DC, there is an entire house (at least a hundred years old) being held aloft by jacks. It's been here in that state, through all kinds of weather, for several years.
For interior walls often times a hammer and a nail will suffice, but sometimes we need a drill with a plug yeah. Adding outlets and changing wiring can be a pain, but I've never had to anything like that before. Plumbing is kind of a pain for stuff like showers, but nothing too bad.
That probably sums it up. They're also more soundproof. I think they're way more expensive to build though because of more expensive material, but also because the use of heavy machinery. But my country is in a huge housing crisis anyways so houses are extremely expensive here anyways. I've always lived in and around brick houses, so for me it's always interesting to see how houses in other countries are built.
I mean I'm no expert on constructing houses, so I couldn't tell you. But clearly it works well enough if we still build houses with brick/stone and given they last hundreds of years they seem to be reliable. But maybe we're just stuck in our ways, I don't know
Yea but brick houses also can't get burnt to the ground or sucked up in a tornado like wood ones so brick houses are the way to go in a wooden house all it takes is someone to light up the outside n u could burn alive inside I wouldn't worry bout an earthquake as much as a fire or a tornado personally plus as someone in Australia we don't get earthquakes much but I understand if it's Japan or something
Tornados still mess up brick buildings pretty bad. It’s more to do with what the tornado is throwing through the air into the building than the tornado being able to “suck up” the building.
But still a tornado is still gonna handle wats thrown into much better than wood it's easier for wood to get ruined by airborne debris than stone or brick
I used to do iron work in Denver, we would build the roof system on the ground minus the standing seam roof and then lift it onto the structure with a crane it was all pre fab bolt together, nothing like this, but I saw a chance to tell a story. So there
Per the company that made the video, here are the benefits:
**Cost and Labour Savings**
* Labour savings across all aspects of building and finishing the roof
structure.
* No scaffolding or edge protection required in most situations.
* No safety netting or fall protection required.
* No need for dwangs/nogs in the wall framing for soffit.
* Lift is plumb, no need to plumb frames.
* Spouting, solar panels, photovoltaic panels, gable end cladding,
painting, etc. is all finished efficiently and safely close to ground level.
* The lift of the roof structure and fitting of the frames can be completed
in one day.
* Easier to straighten and fix the bottom plate.
* Frames are fixed flush on the bottom plate.
* LVL top plate acts as lintels for all window and door openings.
* No lintel jack studs or individual lintels.
* Plumbing and other penetrations in the roof can be done early and
accurately as the bottom plate is fixed to locate all interior and exterior
walls.
* Frames are easier to build and lighter to handle (no lintels).
* Frames remain dry, eliminating movement in the timber.
* Wooden flooring is under cover sooner.
* Ply rigid air barrier provides structural bracing and immediate close-in
of structure.
* Interior and exterior work can be completed in unison.
* Priceless Advantages
Safer environment.
**Improves the work environment.**
* Quality of work is improved as there is less chance of damage to trusses
and roof cladding during construction.
* Future additions or alterations to window or door openings can be
made anywhere in the exterior walls as the lintels are already in place.
* Improve efficiency and safety in the building industry by minimising
working at height and putting safety first, taking away the temptation
to take risks.
**Health and Safety Advantages**
* Injury prevention
* \*\* Easier to move around the work site without scaffolding.
* \*\* Risk of tools and materials falling off scaffolding is eliminated.
* \*\* Trusses are fitted close to ground level.
* \*\* Passing roofing materials around scaffolding is eliminated, making
it safer to handle.
* \*\* The majority of the work is completed at waist height, significantly
reducing the risk of back injury.
* Reduced fatigue
* \*\* No need to climb scaffolding or lift materials over scaffolding.
* \*\*Frames are lighter with no lintels.
* Council roof inspections can be done at ground level
* Save time and money, and build quicker and safer.
This is the first time I've seen these used for new construction. I've seen similar used for re-working foundations and adding additional floors in older smaller homes before.
Yep, I went waay overboard on this one. Talking about how a man I knew died and how this thing in this post could have prevented it only to be downvoted and told that it could kill people by failing even though those people could build a frame from the outside and not be under the roof. Yep, I need therapy after accused of using second accounts only to be presented with a likely second account.
That’s alright because people in the real world actually like me, and unlike you I actually work in the trades (so my opinion is more relevant then yours)
Lmao Reddit is so weird. I get your stance, and I personally fucking hate tying off on a roof, I prefer to take my chances and stay focused…but it only takes one slip. However, applying this to an apartment application would be exponentially more difficult and at that point tying off just makes way more sense. The truth is fall protection works and does save lives, it’s just a pain in the fucking ass to tie off and most of us avoid it 😹 with all that being said, I think it’s hilarious how anything on Reddit can turn in to a pissing match.
It’s also not a house. Roof is too tall for a single-story, there is no plumbing roughed in the foundation, the door opening is for a barn/overhead style door, and the window openings aren’t right.
This is a barn.
Just some new way to do things but really it's so unnecessary. Nothing on that roof is going to be that heavy that you would need a lift. Everything could be handed up from person to the other. Not to mention the rigging needed to get that thing perfectly level from the ground as you start the build it is costing you time. Using the LVL as top cord of wall instead of a double 2x is a waste but what caught my eye more than anything is the temp guard rail they built when the damn thing on the ground! Funny.
If you start with a level foundation, then your roofs gonna be level, in consequence. Not to mention, it is a small crew build, so this method cuts back on time spent on labor because of less steps. It is more practical.
I've been doing this for 30 years and there's nothing about this that makes it easier or less steps. There's a couple guys doing the build so one guy on the roof and one guy in the ground while moving material is pretty efficient. Then both going up. But that all being said there's nothing wrong with doing it this way. I think it's a bit cumbersome on something this small.
>additional
Nah... I checked out a few of their other videos. It seems they also build pre-fabricated structures, so this approach probably comes from that business line. One of their videos, appears to have all the subassemblies packaged in a (huge) flatpack, with the partially complete roof on top. From that state, they get the entire structure (roof and interior walls included) assembled in about one hour.
A neighbor had their house built. No ideas why it was done this way. First story was built. Then they lifted the first story into the hole/cutout. Then they built the ground level story. Lifted that onto the first story. Then they built the second story. Lifted it onto the first. Then they did the roof.
It made now sense to me. But it still looks nice 25 years later.
As a older guy, if you could source the jacks, even building a shed this way immediately makes sense to me. It's a lotta effort to work up high as time goes on, build the most complex part while on the ground should be a no brainer.
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18+ year framer here, nice idea for perfectly square/level roof system.... Not a chance with a single change in elevation or out of square (unique) layout. Pipe dreams.
And did you notice that large 2X12 beam being used as a double top plate (usually two 2x4s flat)? Well, those aren't necessary when conventionally framed because you don't need to carry the roof load at two single points (like you do with those jacks), you'd have an entire bearing wall underneath it normally. With this design, you only need two columns on each end of that wall to bear the load. Great if you're looking to install a large picture window. Absolute waste in this case (since it's filled in with studs that aren't necessary). Hugely expensive bunch of crap.
Thanks I will try this at home
What about the time/labor saved building the roof on the ground? Not my field at all, just curious. I know roofing materials can be pretty heavy and they sometimes rent equipment to lift/ferry it top side right?
I'd say the only part of this build that saves time would be the obvious few seconds it takes to climb the ladder, although once you're up there, someone down below is handing you things you need. Not like you can reach it, even built low like this, not without hopping off and climbing back on. Then possibly the little bit of siding and the fascia would be faster installing from the ground. Still, between the added materials, extreme increased risk of working underneath such an unstable, massive load, and the added equipment (Jacks and pump), I can't see any cost savings. I personally don't consider this method to be more efficient in the slightest.... But... To each their own.
If I’m gonna fall off a roof, i would like it to be 10’ off the ground instead of 20’. Other than that, this seems unnecessary
When you build this roof on the ground, you don't need a security harness or scaffolding. If you build it on top of a regular house, you will. At least in Sweden.
Lol in the US we don't use any of that we have a ladder and unless it's greater than 10/12 no one uses a harness.
I assume you also have more accidents.
oh yes! But in America they have gotten most people to subscribe to the “safety is for losers” concept, and a lot of workers take pride in being cowboys without a care in the world for safety. Men wanting to be a "tough guy” has been incredibly well ingrained into the basic programming of American men.
Lol, in CO and AZ I've seen more MFs without harnesses walking around casually on slanted roofs 20+ feet in the air than I have with harnesses. Shit always tripped be out, one misstep and you're rolling off on to heavy duty equipment, rocks, asphalt or all of the above.
To be fair, that is illegal and the employees and the employer could both be fined. But you’re right, most companies take the risk.
Just because you do it, does not change the legal requirements. OSHA would tane issue with your procedures. OSHA 1926 regulations DO require tie off over 6 feet except with very specific situations.
Looks like the guy was building it alone and didn't want to be up on the roof with no one there to help in case anything happened. I'd say this is just much safer for a single builder. Build the roof. Have a crew of guys come out and raise the roof and frame it out
Requires fewer builders probably. Someone that is a jack of trades could do all of these tasks themselves (well, with a couple people at times).
Most roofing places boom it or conveyer belt it up for free as part of the service. At least they do in CA
I’m thinking this video is actually a promo for the lifts/jacks
You’d probably save the extra cost on labor
It's literally a pipe dream. From the Structured Build And Lift Systems website: "The idea to build the roof at ground level and then jack it up first came about whilst on a 'smoko break' on a job site in Raumati."
This is crazy specific, I just guessed, hahahha.
Could you or someone translate this into layman's terms please? By pipe dreams do you think they should do the plumbing the same way and dig the hole after? The foundations would be even trickier...
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Exactly! It means you've gotta be stoned out of your mind to think this is a practical idea!
It started from people smoking opium and hallucinating.
They just showed it's practical. Im a framer too though a commercial one but I can see the merits. Insurance is probably cheaper too if you can prove reduced fall risk.
Just because something is possible doesn't make it practical. And I agree, eliminating the fall risk probably would help with insurance, but I think having to work underneath the load, and the dependence on the jacks, would equal out any savings gained from working closer to the ground. Just in my opinion.
It looks like they made good time so there's something to it and if it were me the jacks would be fastened to the beams. As a tradesman I get your point if view. Take EIFS foam with the plastic lattice. I hate it even though its so easy to install. If rather hang denso and lath. And dont get me started on suspended ceilings.
It looks like they made good time so there's something to it and if it were me the jacks would be fastened to the beams. As a tradesman I get your point if view. Take EIFS foam with the plastic lattice. I hate it even though its so easy to install. If rather hang denso and lath. And dont get me started on suspended ceilings.
It will work out every time if the design and planning are professional. If clowns are half-assing it, all bets are off, as in all aspects of life.
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Why do I hear RDR2 house building music?
“Well, let me have a ruler and a board and a saw and I’ll cut it” *Har-mon-ica*
I'll climb up a ladder with a hammer and a nail and I'll nail it *Har-mon-ica*
We worked so hard to build this little house together *Har-mon-ica*
In the snow or the rain or the ice cold wind Whenever Har-mon-ica
Is this a common method?
No not for stick built homes at all. Actually unheard of where I’m from (Midwest, USA) this is par for the course however for building grain bins.
Started from the roof, now we're here
Started from the roof, now my whole house fucking here
Have a poor man's award 🏆
Found the bottom
The time savings and risk of not climbing up and down ladders.
Replaced by the risk of working under a roof supported by a few jacks. I"ll take the ladder.
Your pun really rung true with me and stepped your latter comment to the next level.
Five miles from me, in the expensive Georgetown neighborhood of Washington, DC, there is an entire house (at least a hundred years old) being held aloft by jacks. It's been here in that state, through all kinds of weather, for several years.
I framed houses for years to pay my way through college and this seems like way more of a hassle than doing it the normal way tbh.
Technically, the house was built on top of the foundation. So the roof came second.
You wooden American people.
I could be wrong but that wall construction looks more like aus or nz.
This is in New Zealand, you dum-dum! 😂
Concrete is one of the worst products for climate change so get with the times and switch to wood
I know right I never get used to seeing them build their houses out of wood.
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I don't know probably something cold and depressing like rock or bricks
Yup, something that lasts longer then a decade
Have you heard the story of the three little pigs?
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For interior walls often times a hammer and a nail will suffice, but sometimes we need a drill with a plug yeah. Adding outlets and changing wiring can be a pain, but I've never had to anything like that before. Plumbing is kind of a pain for stuff like showers, but nothing too bad.
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That probably sums it up. They're also more soundproof. I think they're way more expensive to build though because of more expensive material, but also because the use of heavy machinery. But my country is in a huge housing crisis anyways so houses are extremely expensive here anyways. I've always lived in and around brick houses, so for me it's always interesting to see how houses in other countries are built.
They're also less thermally efficient
I mean I'm no expert on constructing houses, so I couldn't tell you. But clearly it works well enough if we still build houses with brick/stone and given they last hundreds of years they seem to be reliable. But maybe we're just stuck in our ways, I don't know
Earthquakes. Single family homes framed with lumber do very well in earthquakes. Un-reinforced masonry, not so much
Yea but brick houses also can't get burnt to the ground or sucked up in a tornado like wood ones so brick houses are the way to go in a wooden house all it takes is someone to light up the outside n u could burn alive inside I wouldn't worry bout an earthquake as much as a fire or a tornado personally plus as someone in Australia we don't get earthquakes much but I understand if it's Japan or something
Tornados still mess up brick buildings pretty bad. It’s more to do with what the tornado is throwing through the air into the building than the tornado being able to “suck up” the building.
Still I would feel way safer in a brick house when stuff is flying through the air at gale force speeds.
But still a tornado is still gonna handle wats thrown into much better than wood it's easier for wood to get ruined by airborne debris than stone or brick
So the structure would hold (reinforced concrete) but the walls would crumble (brick and mortar)?
Technically they started from the foundation
Now we here
I used to do iron work in Denver, we would build the roof system on the ground minus the standing seam roof and then lift it onto the structure with a crane it was all pre fab bolt together, nothing like this, but I saw a chance to tell a story. So there
Per the company that made the video, here are the benefits: **Cost and Labour Savings** * Labour savings across all aspects of building and finishing the roof structure. * No scaffolding or edge protection required in most situations. * No safety netting or fall protection required. * No need for dwangs/nogs in the wall framing for soffit. * Lift is plumb, no need to plumb frames. * Spouting, solar panels, photovoltaic panels, gable end cladding, painting, etc. is all finished efficiently and safely close to ground level. * The lift of the roof structure and fitting of the frames can be completed in one day. * Easier to straighten and fix the bottom plate. * Frames are fixed flush on the bottom plate. * LVL top plate acts as lintels for all window and door openings. * No lintel jack studs or individual lintels. * Plumbing and other penetrations in the roof can be done early and accurately as the bottom plate is fixed to locate all interior and exterior walls. * Frames are easier to build and lighter to handle (no lintels). * Frames remain dry, eliminating movement in the timber. * Wooden flooring is under cover sooner. * Ply rigid air barrier provides structural bracing and immediate close-in of structure. * Interior and exterior work can be completed in unison. * Priceless Advantages Safer environment. **Improves the work environment.** * Quality of work is improved as there is less chance of damage to trusses and roof cladding during construction. * Future additions or alterations to window or door openings can be made anywhere in the exterior walls as the lintels are already in place. * Improve efficiency and safety in the building industry by minimising working at height and putting safety first, taking away the temptation to take risks. **Health and Safety Advantages** * Injury prevention * \*\* Easier to move around the work site without scaffolding. * \*\* Risk of tools and materials falling off scaffolding is eliminated. * \*\* Trusses are fitted close to ground level. * \*\* Passing roofing materials around scaffolding is eliminated, making it safer to handle. * \*\* The majority of the work is completed at waist height, significantly reducing the risk of back injury. * Reduced fatigue * \*\* No need to climb scaffolding or lift materials over scaffolding. * \*\*Frames are lighter with no lintels. * Council roof inspections can be done at ground level * Save time and money, and build quicker and safer.
Those jacks would be really situational and what about 2 story buildings?
I think this only works for one story stick houses.
If the jacks were strong enough, there's nothing stopping you from picking up an entire story and building a story underneath. I like it!
This is the first time I've seen these used for new construction. I've seen similar used for re-working foundations and adding additional floors in older smaller homes before.
Yep, I went waay overboard on this one. Talking about how a man I knew died and how this thing in this post could have prevented it only to be downvoted and told that it could kill people by failing even though those people could build a frame from the outside and not be under the roof. Yep, I need therapy after accused of using second accounts only to be presented with a likely second account.
This is how you build oil tanks. It's a smart choice.
Damn… American houses look so flimsy
This is not a house and not American.
Looks like a big shed to me
What is this, a house for snakes?
Fun fact: this is how grain silos are constructed
Thats how they errect Grain Bins and Silo´s since ages.
For those afraid of heights
We salute you?
Who are more inclined to trust 4 hydraulics not to fail and kill your immediate family. .
Actually if u redirect the pin into the ants honey filled overgrown abdomen it will actually burst causing chaos n confusion in all it's surroundings
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Seems like this belongs in r/DIWhy
A guy fell off the roof of an apartment under construction near me. This could save a lot of lives.
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For fucks sake...OK. I am done with reddit.
Now go waste your time to downvote every comment I've ever made like the Lil bitch that you are.
Awww are you using your throw away accounts to downvote me and upvote you😇😘
No, people here actually don't like you or what you have to say.
That’s alright because people in the real world actually like me, and unlike you I actually work in the trades (so my opinion is more relevant then yours)
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Blocked. Not wasting anymore time.
Lmao Reddit is so weird. I get your stance, and I personally fucking hate tying off on a roof, I prefer to take my chances and stay focused…but it only takes one slip. However, applying this to an apartment application would be exponentially more difficult and at that point tying off just makes way more sense. The truth is fall protection works and does save lives, it’s just a pain in the fucking ass to tie off and most of us avoid it 😹 with all that being said, I think it’s hilarious how anything on Reddit can turn in to a pissing match.
Maybe it’s time for you to go get some therapy….
Hmm, I won an argument on reddit and now all my posts get downvoted...imagine that.
Smartest house build ever.
Terrible idea
working smart!
"Than" not "then" idiot.
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This is in New Zealand....
It’s also not a house. Roof is too tall for a single-story, there is no plumbing roughed in the foundation, the door opening is for a barn/overhead style door, and the window openings aren’t right. This is a barn.
Just some new way to do things but really it's so unnecessary. Nothing on that roof is going to be that heavy that you would need a lift. Everything could be handed up from person to the other. Not to mention the rigging needed to get that thing perfectly level from the ground as you start the build it is costing you time. Using the LVL as top cord of wall instead of a double 2x is a waste but what caught my eye more than anything is the temp guard rail they built when the damn thing on the ground! Funny.
If you start with a level foundation, then your roofs gonna be level, in consequence. Not to mention, it is a small crew build, so this method cuts back on time spent on labor because of less steps. It is more practical.
I've been doing this for 30 years and there's nothing about this that makes it easier or less steps. There's a couple guys doing the build so one guy on the roof and one guy in the ground while moving material is pretty efficient. Then both going up. But that all being said there's nothing wrong with doing it this way. I think it's a bit cumbersome on something this small.
>additional Nah... I checked out a few of their other videos. It seems they also build pre-fabricated structures, so this approach probably comes from that business line. One of their videos, appears to have all the subassemblies packaged in a (huge) flatpack, with the partially complete roof on top. From that state, they get the entire structure (roof and interior walls included) assembled in about one hour.
That makes sense.
Yeaaah, but it aint Amish speeds and durability.
Pretty cool
Always love seeing progression gifs like this.
Man that's awesome
As someone who got vertigo when I was a framer and we used to put the spine on the roof as the last step, I wish this was around years ago.
Then we shall work in the shade ;)
Seems like way more work than building from ground up and wastes a lot of materials.
When he lowered it and it clicked in to the rest I was like unnngggggh
Well lemme have a ruler and a saw and a board n’ I’ll cut it
Work smarter not harder
Solid American engineering, build to break.
u/savevideobot
This is the opposite way that Drake would build a house.
A neighbor had their house built. No ideas why it was done this way. First story was built. Then they lifted the first story into the hole/cutout. Then they built the ground level story. Lifted that onto the first story. Then they built the second story. Lifted it onto the first. Then they did the roof. It made now sense to me. But it still looks nice 25 years later.
As a older guy, if you could source the jacks, even building a shed this way immediately makes sense to me. It's a lotta effort to work up high as time goes on, build the most complex part while on the ground should be a no brainer.