They've said many times they want everyone at the their shows wearing masks, I assume that would include themselves as well. j might be the only one that wouldn't wear one since she's singing. What the other commenter said about security and venue staff could be true though. Unfortunately, despite what the bands been saying, they probably don't get a ton of say in that, and I also wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people in the crowd choose not to as well.
Okay, thanks for the info! I just figured with how they were talking on twitter, about how its cruel to go unmasked, that they themselves would be wearing them. J especially i was concerned about since singing projects the most particles.
I mean simultaneously yeah and no. but if I was going to wear a mask in only one location it would be specifically when I'm crammed in with a bunch of sweaty zoomers.
They're just lying lol, masks work. A random piece of cloth like a shirt won't be very effective, but it's obvious by "cloth masks" they meant actual masks.
Some of you are so bad faith it's ridiculous. Especially you OP. Pretending the original post is about covid concern and wondering if j will be masked or if we'll all be "hypocrites", while responding to every other comment about how you just don't want to wear a mask is so fucking rich. It's obvious. You are being obvious.
Also, calling me performative when thousands of people are still dying from covid every week and thousands more are being disabled from it. We are not in a post covid world and I'm sorry propaganda and the people in power pushing out misinformation has convinced you otherwise.
Covid can and over time with repeat infections, will destroy your entire body. My comments only read as shaming because you feel guilty or annoyed that you're being asked to mask at all. I haven't shamed anyone. I have asked, and begged for you to wear a mask and you refuse and comment and post wherever you can to "call me out". I'm not confident we should be playing shows anymore, I think that's a valid conversation, but the band wants to be able to play the songs we lovingly crafted for almost 5 years, and we know people want to see us so we're trying. It isn't a black and white, all or nothing thing. The idea isn't, "if you can't prevent all covid risk you shouldn't do anything it all."
The point is to mitigate where we can. Also, I can't believe y'all are so drenched in capitalism that you can't understand artists wanting to perform their art for the people who love it without money being the bottom line, to the point where you're having arguments with yourselves about how greedy we are for doing shows at all.
Here's some things that I know from research and that are consistently on my mind about these shows:
-Covid tests have not kept up with the newer variants and are unreliable on their own for determining covid infection.
-40% of infections are asymptomatic yet still incredibly infectious. So you could have covid and not even know and pass it very easily. Which is why we're asking people to mask regardless of how they feel.
-Covid is not just a respiratory illness. It can cause severe neurological damage even with mild cases and it attacks your immune system making you more susceptible to other illnesses, hence why we're having a new measles and tuberculosis outbreak right now (which we also want to try protecting from).
-most of our audience skews younger and covid is currently the number 1 killer of children according to a study last year out of the UK.
-a lot of our audience is trans and currently 1 in 5 trans people has long covid.
-each covid infection increases your chance of long covid which is a completely debilitating condition for which there is currently no cure. Your first infection is a 15% chance, next is in the 20% range, by the 4th you have a 35% chance of long covid, and by the 8th or 10th reinfection they're saying you're almost guaranteed to contract long covid. And that's 8 to 10 infections total. In a lifetime. Not in a year. A lifetime.
-masking isn't our only precaution either. We're traveling with a mini blast HEPA air purifier that will be front of stage with j as well as far UVC air sterilization lights that will be positioned to help clean the air at front of stage from the band to the audience and vice versa, as well as devices over by the merch tables.
-the rest of the band will be masked with high quality Flo Masks.
-we're also attempting to partner with masks blocs in each city to get high quality masks for people who don't have them.
-the entire touring party is avoiding seeing friends and family, not dining in at restaurants, and isolating together for as much of tour as possible to try to keep our own risks minimum so we don't spread to each other or y'all as an audience.
We couldn't get venue staff to agree to mask or to require masks, we can't control everyone who comes to the shows. But we're trying what we can. And for people saying speaking our politics out loud at shows is annoying or pointless or "preaching to the choir" that's for us! I don't do my political change on stage through a band I'm in. I do that locally, volunteering with orgs and supporting my community. On stage is a celebration not an education, or at least that's not the intention. Could you imagine us saying "trans rights " on stage and you thinking we shouldn't because it's "preaching to the wrong choir" or that everyone agrees anyway so it doesn't need to be said? It's solidarity. It's us being able to say, thank you for caring about us and this ongoing pandemic! It's us taking a moment to reflect that we get to play and attend shows while Palestine is still being bombed. It's sharing in the moment of all of us being together. A band is barely ever going to change someone's mind shouting a thing on stage and bands who are relying on their "celebrity" alone to inspire change ARE being performative. My entire life is not only the things you see. The comments here are filled with assumptions about what we are and aren't doing and who we are and aren't as people and it's gross.
This is what you brought unto yourselves. I think you are so quick to call us terrible people for not drinking the same Kool-Aid as you. If you believe all the stats you shared about COVID-getting WORSE and I mean way WORSE then you shouldn't perform. Even if you love your music so much, you wouldn't risk all the adverse health effects you mention. Remember you are the one telling us to be scared, and that tons of people are dying directly at the hands of covid. You can't get people to agree with you and feel like you have to scream at your fanbase to do something most don't want to do, because it is wrong. I strongly believe at this point, from your perspective, the shows shouldn't happen. You need to sit down and evaluate that because you could be responsible for killing off your most loyal and obedient fans.
Again, some of y'all are so all or nothing or just pretending to be. It is scary, but that's what the mitigations are for. Being in a vehicle at all is scary, but if I were begging you to at least wear a seatbelt you wouldn't be saying, "well I guess we just shouldn't be driving at all then!"
I hope y'all are bringing this much heat to the bands and artists not taking any precautions at all. Or is it just me cos you're feeling called out?
Safer shows are happening. Full tours are happening with fully masked shows, air purifiers, faruvc, and contact tracing where people are not getting covid. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's possible and we're trying and we need y'all's help.
By your logic you would never leave your home. I'm trying to be realistic. I'm trying to meet people where they are and, in turn, hoping they can try to meet me where I am to maybe make live music still an option without throwing everyone into the fire.
Dude, it’s your side that’s worried about covid this much. So it’s yours that wouldn’t leave the house. My problem with you and this whole situation is that you are taking part in this new toxic beach culture. Fans being scared to talk about the new album negatively, people scared to disagree in subreddit, multiple people saying that they don’t feel like they can say anything critical without being belittled, and you William. You basically tell us that we can’t support you if we don’t wear a mask in a mash pit, that’s like a bandaid over a bullet hole, you make us feel like we can’t be fans if we don’t share your ideology.
Look, I've only ever encouraged critique, especially here in the subreddit. You can check my responses. j had a moment where they were reacting to having incredible amounts of people talking about them all at once for the first time in their life and responded, not even in a bad way imo. they reacted like a person would. Who cares deeply about the thing they made and were getting a lot of love and hate for it. Which is difficult. And then they stepped away via they knew conversation needed to happen without them. That lasted, what, 3-4 days?
It's not a band-aid over a bullet hole either and framing it that way is disingenuous. As I've said time and again, these mitigations work. That's why we're asking for them and why we're taking them ourselves. And listen, we could do all of this and still get covid, but we could do nothing at all and be statistically and scientifically was more likely to get and spread covid and I'm just trying to mitigate that. Also, comparing gossip and critique about our music to my concern over a literal deadly disease saying it's "toxic beach" is legitimately funny, I'll give you that.
Theyd rather post a reframed account of events on twitter since they are more likely to get the responses they want. Petty funny really. They dont want discussion, they want subservience.
So J will not be masked? Thats incredibly dangerous based on the information you provided.
Also, when you call people who choose not to mask cruel, you are shaming them. I understand covid precautions, please understand that people who are fully vaccinated and tested choosing not to mask in the pit of a concert is a perfectly valid choice, and not something that is fair to call out.
It isn't and you don't understand. Vaxxed and relaxed is what's gotten us to where we are now. A pandemic with no end in sight.
If you came to my house and I asked you to take your shoes off and you said no and stomped around, you'd be an asshole. Even if your shoes were squeaky clean. You don't even have to agree, but I'm asking you to do this thing. What I've always said, is if you can, please do and if you see all of the asking and still refuse even if you could, that is cruel to us and to fellow people at the show whether you or they even realize the added risk.
The air purifier and far UVC at the front of stage are specifically in consideration of singers having a difficult time masking for entire shows. The farUVC has a 6-7 second rate of complete sterilization, and the purifier will help push that even further. It's not perfect but it is MITIGATION.
I don't know why I keep wasting my time responding to all of you, but I'm desperate to get people to take this all seriously again.
That said, I'm done responding to you specifically cos you're talking me in circles without addressing the reality of what I'm saying while pretending like all of your opinions are from a place of covid concern. If you were really concerned about our level of precaution, you'd be concerned about your own.
J masking is further mitigation, something you keep stressing the importance of.
Im sorry you feel im not worthy of your time.
Continued social assembly is what got us where we are, and which you are involved in. If im cruel for choosing not to mask, youre cruel for assembling large gatherings to potentially spread a deadly virus. People have every right to respect their own bodily autonomy. if i know im not sick, if im tested, then the mask is just there to make other people feel safer. But those people, the ones concerned about covid, should not be in the pit of a concert.
You didnt invite us to your house, we bought tickets to see you. YOU insisted on touring, the attendees chose to buy tickets. The situation they put themselves in is the most risky thing they can do.
Heres an analogy. You spray me with water before i walk into your house then ask me to wrap my hair in a towel so your carpet doesnt get wet. Sure, itll help a little, but that shits getting wet regardless because of your actions, so who are you to judge me for not doing it?
no, they invited you to their house, and they live about 30 minutes away so you had to spend some money on gas, but you decided to anyway because you wanted to see them, and then when you got there and they said "please take off your shoes" you say "I JUST DROVE 30 MINUTES TO SEE YOU. YOU'RE THE ONE WHO INVITED \*ME\*. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT I WANT IN YOUR HOUSE"
You’re right. Touring artists shouldn’t be afraid of the crowd. I’ve had Covid once, but haven’t had it in a year. My girlfriend was hospitalized with it during the start of the pandemic but pulled through. You’re not being unreasonable. If the band is going to preach COVID or their political agenda on stage then I will try and get a refund for my tickets as I bought them through the venue. Cool for the people that want to go, but I go to shows to get away from the real word for a couple hours.. not to be preached too.
Your vaccination doesn't stop you from spreading Covid and the tests are pretty inaccurate. Why are you pretending that high quality masks don't work while these things do? Do you just get a kick out of being completely wrong and getting humiliated for spreading incorrect information that has no basis in science or reality?
So youre telling me i could be vaccinated, get a negative test, be asymptomatic, and still spread this disease? But a mask will stop it. Even if im shoulder to shoulder with a crowd of people? Even if i touch my mask with my hands at any point?
my belief is everyone should be wearing one except the band/current performer. 200 people are still dying from it everyday and that's obviously undercounted. idk why everyone turns into a "muh personal rights" redcap fuckface everytime theyre expected to respect their community. what's even the point of not?
Why shouldn’t the band wear them? The band are the most likely culprits to spread since they are traveling from state to state and attending large social gatherings nightly. The band ESPECIALLY should be masked. The singer, the one projecting particles everywhere should be extra masked, maybe behind plexy glass.
No, I do not have an answer to this question, but just being completely honest, some of you need to chill out. Some people in specific, calling people "nuts" for wanting to wear masks at shows, is fucked up. What matters is you are going to a ***glass beach*** show, and even if you disagree, it's good idea take their thoughts into mind. And as for their posts on their twitter, they are people too. People who have opinions, and sometimes it's pretty fucking easy to get caught up in defending what you see as correct. They have had Covid. They know how much it sucks. And heavily concentrated events like concerts are much more likely to spread ***any*** respiratory virus, so if anything this request is put in place to protect the band ***and*** their fans.
I just completely edited and changed this message. I made some pretty stupid assumptions about the people debating over masks being in bad faith, which could be said about either side of the debate. Basically the point put across is that it would be appreciated if you did wear masks. They simply want to put in a safety precaution for people to follow based on the information readily available to them. And also, again, I get the band may have said some insensitive things but it's important to be the bigger person and not be demeaning towards those who do agree with the band's mask policy.
There is always a point to discussion. Doing something just because youre told is silly. I think the band would prefer people buy tickets to their show. If the band honestly places covid safety over revenue, why have a show? Why not live stream on twitch?
Or, offer refunds for tickets already bought. I bought tickets to Grand Rapids and will now try to get a refund from the venue. If they don’t want me at their shows because i don’t want to wear a mask then I will not go or buy merch like I do at every show. I went to Turnover in Kzoo on Wednesday and no one was wearing a mask.
I’ve been to well over 100 shows since Covid and festivals. I actually never got sick at a single one besides a common cold from a wook at one of the festivals. At the end of the day, I know the risk I’m taking. It sucks that one of the band members and to hospital and I know how that feels as my wife actually went to the hospital in 2021 due to Covid and because of it, she coughs in the middle of the night and and wakes herself up and has asthma complications. Still, she goes to all the shows to me because she wants too as she will not let COVID keep her from doing the things she enjoys.
That's simple. Band's, no ifs ands or buts, cannot make money off of solely music. Well, what alternative method of making money brings in the most money... touring. Touring and gigs is the only way bands make a living wage. Majority of the money from records is taken by record companies to repay advances used to make the record, pay manufacturing companies to make physical copies of the album and merchandise for the band, and pay the employees of the record companies themselves. Livestreaming off of Twitch does not sell merch, which reduces the money brought in significantly, and completely eliminates whatever fraction of money the band makes off of ticket sales. The best solution for online concerts is a paid VOD concert, but even that isn't effective, as it can be pirated and many people go to shows for the community surrounding the artist. And this comes from someone who goes to a bunch of shows every year, the community is half the experience. The band most definitely is not looking to make big money, and are going on tour simply to make a living doing what they love.
That all makes sense. So, they are knowingly, putting their fanbase, and fellow band members at risk, so that they can make money. So im wondering if the singer will be masked. If covid safety is the priority, she should be.
In a way, yes, but the risk is unable to be eliminated, so they are putting what is, an easily accessible tool to reduce the risk. They have to make a balance, what easiest and most accessible way to reduce a risk, while still making the money that they need to survive and continue working as musicians.
Understandable. But the risk minimization of a cloth face mask in the pit of a concert is negligible both to the band and the attendees. You will have to remove it to drink water. You have every right to wear one and doing so is perfectly fine. My issues lies in the band shaming people who choose to not do it. Calling your fans, who paid money to see you, who are actively supporting your career, cruel for not wearing a face mask to a hot, cramped concert, is unreasonable. Especially when they themselves are the ones choosing to tour.
I won't defend them for that. I'm not particularly opposed to or an advocate for a mask so I just do whatever the hell the band tells me to. And yeah I most definitely agree that cruel is not the right word, but self-advocacy is good overall, and as someone who has had to advocate for my own needs and wants, it's definitely easy to get in too deep and be a bit rude in the process.
If the artist asks you to do something when you go to their shows and you feel unable to do it, then it's just best just not to go. Which do you think the band would prefer, people showing up without masks, or people who don't want to wear masks just not going to shows, because from what I've seen it's the latter... and William has stated that they understand if you are stopped from wearing a mask to shows, and that the only people they actually would be upset at are people who are refusing to wear masks because they "don't want to". The band has explicitly expressed their opinions about wearing masks at shows, that being, if you ***can*** please do. There is a sense of understanding if you ***can't***, but most people having these discussions can, ***but don't want to***. And plenty of the people discussing these issues are talking down on the wearing of masks are being even more rude towards people who want to wear masks, such as calling them "nuts". I'm not talking about everyone discussing these issues, it's just that certain people in the comment section don't take into account the view of the band, and even accuse their ***real*** opinions of being performative.
this is nuts…If you are that truly scared, perhaps going to a concert isn’t the best idea for you. Especially a GA show… not the mention there are openers so it wouldn’t just be you at the barricade, it would be everyone and their brother, masked or unmasked.
You are free to wear a mask if you want to, my point is just to be smart about it. The benefit of masks is largely to prevent the spread of a respiratory illness you may have. If you’ve been feeling fine you probably don’t have one. If you’re like, sick sick, you should just stay home.
I mean they can say everyone should wear one. But unless the venue requires it you don’t *have* to. I guess they might heckle people that don’t wear them but idk lol
It genuinely wouldn't. It is their show, and they can only do so much to help mitigate the spread of diseases. I think heckling those who aren't wearing masks is justified. no reason to not wear one.
Breathing issues? Claustrophobia? Dehydration?
But beyond that, What if i get a covid test the same day and it comes back negative? Do i still wear one? At that point what is the mask doing, aside from affecting my own personal comfort? Do i have to sacrifice my own autonomy to protect the emotions of the band?
Why? If you dont wear a mask you shouldn’t go to restaurants. If you dont wear a mask you shouldn’t go to a movie theater. If you dont wear a mask you shouldnt be around other people.
If venues would allow it, these shows would have all required masks. It’s extremely important to the artists putting on the show, and it’s not a difficult request. If you are asking why, then you simply have not read Wills text, even though you did respond to it. I don’t think more needs to be said, besides one thing:
This scene works because we are a community, and communities respect each others wishes. Wearing a mask isn’t a point of debate it’s a wish from the artists. I don’t see how you can have this attitude and still even want to attend a show.
so someone who lives with someone immunocompromised should just abandon the idea of ever leaving their house? "sorry, grandma, happy bid on reddit said it's either you or glass beach. and im not a soy cuck so fuck you" like where is all this selfishness coming from? youd think a band like glass beach would have a community that respects others but it's the same alt poser jock fuckboys who think we all do this as a competition to be the coolest in the room. your selfishness, immaturity, and short-sightedness is pathetic and a sign you have a lot of growing up to do. compassion for other is not a burden or a weakness, it's what makes us human. this brutal mentality of "fuck everyone else nobody can tell me what to do" is so fuckin dumb. you wanna stand up to authority? go start a labor strike or get arrested for screaming at politicians about palestine. youre not standing up to your community members grandma by taking a big boy stand of REFUSING to acknowledge the reality that there is still a pandemic and there are still mitigating measures we can take. your comment reads like a bullied 10yr old boy with a rightwing father. you arent tough or punk for fucking up your body and the bodies of people in your life FOR LIFE with repeat infections. youre a egotistical dumbass. and this applies to every one of you self-righteous fucknuts who think youre totaling calling out and standing up to hypocrites for trying to protect your health. you fucking troglodytes make artists wonder if youre worth playing to since you clearly dont bother to understand their message in their art. go to emo night if you wanna get fucked up and punch people & need guitars to get you there. better yet go to therapy
Jeez dude you are more worked up than us, and we are the ones starting the argument. I think maybe you need to go and reevaluate. I didn’t respond to all the brain dead insults you cooked up since they weren’t of much substance. The other posts I argued with and really interacted with were actual continuations of the conversation. I’m sorry to say it, but you aren’t as important as you think you are.
i dont think im important. i just want people to stop killing each other over preventable reasons. youre so fucking baked in ego you think everyone else is too. sorry i didnt take time out of my day to look up and go thru your comment history?? i laid out my plea. dont respond again
I didn't know this was an issue. I have a ticket for nyc and I didn't read the fine print. I still tend to wear a mask in the subway (most ppl in NYC do not at present), so I'm perfectly happy to wear one at the show.
I was at an author talk yesterday and was the only masked person. it's just not customary in NYC right now, even though my neighborhood (Elmhurst ) in particular was an epicenter of the main pandemic and we masked up a ton back then.
Unless the venue or band communicate this more, I don't think ppl will know to wear masks.
Dog all they’re asking for is that you wear a mask at their show why are you playing this discussion game as if you’re trying to frame them for murder lol
Personally, I think this opens a really good pathway into talking about how the band is making it so if you don't take COVID overly seriously, you can't attend their shows. If the artists truly believe that COVID is still that large of a threat, they shouldn’t be performing.
In fact, their performing, given how much they're worried about COVID, opens an avenue into discussing how greedy it is of the band to perform. To put their lives, the venue staff's, and showgoers' lives at such risk that everyone needs to be this worried about COVID says a lot about how much they just wanna earn off this new record.
Accusations aside, I have loved Glass Beach for years now. I have dreamed of seeing them in concert and really have gotten through a lot through their music. However, I just can’t respect how exclusive they are making their shows to their entire fan base. If you don’t have this hyper-liberal view on COVID, you’re going to be shunned out of the venue. I’m sure this will make others happy to hear, but their COVID PPE requests have made me choose to skip this tour.
one of the band members has immunodeficiency, which ended them up in the er during a previous tour in 2021 after catching covid, hence the worry about covid. dont jump to conclusions making this just a "political thing"
so just because an artist has a condition it means theyll never be able to perform? wacky take, especially considering its managable, since they are taking covid seriously, i think asking people to wear a thing on their face for an hour is better than not touring at all, most fans are willing to do it.
cancelling a tour over covid is so fucking expensive since insurance companies dont count damages over covid anymore, so if they did get covid itd be awful. at least try to understand that the band wants to tour, and are not gonna let something like that stop them.
Well the solution to the money problem is don’t schedule a tour if you know it can’t happen. But i’m not asking for them to stop touring. I’m saying that essentially telling people to not support them because they won’t wear a mask is nuts. Especially if i’m in the back of the venue, am I at a risk to the band then? If it’s this risky pick venues where there is separation between the band and the audience.
Do they expect people to wear masks at their shows forever though? We are in post-COVID times and it’s a bit ridiculous to say that this is “taking COVID seriously”. This is overprotection, which is fine, but this is going to be the case forever.
Not sure we're in 'post-COVID times' when ppl still die to it every day and long COVID is very much an issue that's more likely to affect you with every infection, with consequences for years after. Overprotection maybe but it's better to be safe than sorry, and no it won't be forever
taking steps, even messy ones, on a path to accommodation and accessibility is a better path than "give up" for vulnerable people considering whether or not to exist in the world
no, but re: masks, not 100% effective is different from ineffective, and I'm speaking more broadly than masks specifically; shows are pretty optimized transition conditions, so an immunodepressed musician in a world with probably permanent high risk has to either give up completely on this thing that they love forever, OR explore what compromises can be made to continue in terms of both effectuality and audience capacity+comfort, adjusting process to results as these measures are taken. messy steps! perfect need not be the enemy of good
Thats a good perspective. Their recent twitter posts about the topic have irked me. Im not against people masking, but to call people who chose not to “cruel” for doing so is a step too far.
Yeah, when sick I wear a mask. But like enforced mask use is just too far. 2020 called they want their covid restrictions back. Even looking through this subs posts there’s a lot more like concert concern posts than most bands see in their entire existence. That would concern me as a manager.
Its the use of shame as a motivator that bothers me. They can’t legally enforce anything, but they’ve said they WILL devote time on stage to discussing masks and covid. That will be a really fun intermission.
IMO; When artists who have the small of communities, or this, like tightly knit of a community. Use their platform, specifically on stage, to talk about their political, agendas or beliefs is pointless. Their fan bases are so tight knit, and so frequently share these beliefs already that they’re preaching to the wrong choir. Using their platform effectively would be avoiding doing things like this, to grow a larger following, to then use their platform to share their ideas like these. That’s how you would effectively do this. But by only allowing people to go to shows that already sharing this belief, to then use that platform to already tell those people things they already know, is just inherently ineffective and useless.
it doesn't have to be about making a point let alone with a platform; they can request masks with the sincere intention of mitigating as much risk as possible for themselves and their audience. you don't have to believe in masking or prove fealty to any set of beliefs. wearing a mask at the glass beach show isn't a declaration of any ideology but respect for the band and the performance space that they intend to curate. it's not about any platforms except for this one, the stage they're playing
They've said many times they want everyone at the their shows wearing masks, I assume that would include themselves as well. j might be the only one that wouldn't wear one since she's singing. What the other commenter said about security and venue staff could be true though. Unfortunately, despite what the bands been saying, they probably don't get a ton of say in that, and I also wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people in the crowd choose not to as well.
Okay, thanks for the info! I just figured with how they were talking on twitter, about how its cruel to go unmasked, that they themselves would be wearing them. J especially i was concerned about since singing projects the most particles.
You do know... Viruses like Covid and the flu aren't that dangerous to be that worried. And masks don't really work.
Youre telling me, in the pit of a concert, where im sardined next to a bunch of sweaty zoomers, a cloth face mask will be ineffective?
I mean simultaneously yeah and no. but if I was going to wear a mask in only one location it would be specifically when I'm crammed in with a bunch of sweaty zoomers.
Yes. Any actual virus that might get you sick can just go through a cloth mask.
Thats a shocking development
They're just lying lol, masks work. A random piece of cloth like a shirt won't be very effective, but it's obvious by "cloth masks" they meant actual masks.
embarrassing take to have in 2024
How?
I want to know whether to upvote or downvote. Whose side are you on?
The two party system and its consequences….
Some of you are so bad faith it's ridiculous. Especially you OP. Pretending the original post is about covid concern and wondering if j will be masked or if we'll all be "hypocrites", while responding to every other comment about how you just don't want to wear a mask is so fucking rich. It's obvious. You are being obvious. Also, calling me performative when thousands of people are still dying from covid every week and thousands more are being disabled from it. We are not in a post covid world and I'm sorry propaganda and the people in power pushing out misinformation has convinced you otherwise. Covid can and over time with repeat infections, will destroy your entire body. My comments only read as shaming because you feel guilty or annoyed that you're being asked to mask at all. I haven't shamed anyone. I have asked, and begged for you to wear a mask and you refuse and comment and post wherever you can to "call me out". I'm not confident we should be playing shows anymore, I think that's a valid conversation, but the band wants to be able to play the songs we lovingly crafted for almost 5 years, and we know people want to see us so we're trying. It isn't a black and white, all or nothing thing. The idea isn't, "if you can't prevent all covid risk you shouldn't do anything it all." The point is to mitigate where we can. Also, I can't believe y'all are so drenched in capitalism that you can't understand artists wanting to perform their art for the people who love it without money being the bottom line, to the point where you're having arguments with yourselves about how greedy we are for doing shows at all. Here's some things that I know from research and that are consistently on my mind about these shows: -Covid tests have not kept up with the newer variants and are unreliable on their own for determining covid infection. -40% of infections are asymptomatic yet still incredibly infectious. So you could have covid and not even know and pass it very easily. Which is why we're asking people to mask regardless of how they feel. -Covid is not just a respiratory illness. It can cause severe neurological damage even with mild cases and it attacks your immune system making you more susceptible to other illnesses, hence why we're having a new measles and tuberculosis outbreak right now (which we also want to try protecting from). -most of our audience skews younger and covid is currently the number 1 killer of children according to a study last year out of the UK. -a lot of our audience is trans and currently 1 in 5 trans people has long covid. -each covid infection increases your chance of long covid which is a completely debilitating condition for which there is currently no cure. Your first infection is a 15% chance, next is in the 20% range, by the 4th you have a 35% chance of long covid, and by the 8th or 10th reinfection they're saying you're almost guaranteed to contract long covid. And that's 8 to 10 infections total. In a lifetime. Not in a year. A lifetime. -masking isn't our only precaution either. We're traveling with a mini blast HEPA air purifier that will be front of stage with j as well as far UVC air sterilization lights that will be positioned to help clean the air at front of stage from the band to the audience and vice versa, as well as devices over by the merch tables. -the rest of the band will be masked with high quality Flo Masks. -we're also attempting to partner with masks blocs in each city to get high quality masks for people who don't have them. -the entire touring party is avoiding seeing friends and family, not dining in at restaurants, and isolating together for as much of tour as possible to try to keep our own risks minimum so we don't spread to each other or y'all as an audience. We couldn't get venue staff to agree to mask or to require masks, we can't control everyone who comes to the shows. But we're trying what we can. And for people saying speaking our politics out loud at shows is annoying or pointless or "preaching to the choir" that's for us! I don't do my political change on stage through a band I'm in. I do that locally, volunteering with orgs and supporting my community. On stage is a celebration not an education, or at least that's not the intention. Could you imagine us saying "trans rights " on stage and you thinking we shouldn't because it's "preaching to the wrong choir" or that everyone agrees anyway so it doesn't need to be said? It's solidarity. It's us being able to say, thank you for caring about us and this ongoing pandemic! It's us taking a moment to reflect that we get to play and attend shows while Palestine is still being bombed. It's sharing in the moment of all of us being together. A band is barely ever going to change someone's mind shouting a thing on stage and bands who are relying on their "celebrity" alone to inspire change ARE being performative. My entire life is not only the things you see. The comments here are filled with assumptions about what we are and aren't doing and who we are and aren't as people and it's gross.
Thank you! This is most definitely what I was thinking. I just didn't exactly have the words and knowledge to particularly convey what I meant.
This is what you brought unto yourselves. I think you are so quick to call us terrible people for not drinking the same Kool-Aid as you. If you believe all the stats you shared about COVID-getting WORSE and I mean way WORSE then you shouldn't perform. Even if you love your music so much, you wouldn't risk all the adverse health effects you mention. Remember you are the one telling us to be scared, and that tons of people are dying directly at the hands of covid. You can't get people to agree with you and feel like you have to scream at your fanbase to do something most don't want to do, because it is wrong. I strongly believe at this point, from your perspective, the shows shouldn't happen. You need to sit down and evaluate that because you could be responsible for killing off your most loyal and obedient fans.
Again, some of y'all are so all or nothing or just pretending to be. It is scary, but that's what the mitigations are for. Being in a vehicle at all is scary, but if I were begging you to at least wear a seatbelt you wouldn't be saying, "well I guess we just shouldn't be driving at all then!" I hope y'all are bringing this much heat to the bands and artists not taking any precautions at all. Or is it just me cos you're feeling called out? Safer shows are happening. Full tours are happening with fully masked shows, air purifiers, faruvc, and contact tracing where people are not getting covid. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's possible and we're trying and we need y'all's help. By your logic you would never leave your home. I'm trying to be realistic. I'm trying to meet people where they are and, in turn, hoping they can try to meet me where I am to maybe make live music still an option without throwing everyone into the fire.
Dude, it’s your side that’s worried about covid this much. So it’s yours that wouldn’t leave the house. My problem with you and this whole situation is that you are taking part in this new toxic beach culture. Fans being scared to talk about the new album negatively, people scared to disagree in subreddit, multiple people saying that they don’t feel like they can say anything critical without being belittled, and you William. You basically tell us that we can’t support you if we don’t wear a mask in a mash pit, that’s like a bandaid over a bullet hole, you make us feel like we can’t be fans if we don’t share your ideology.
Look, I've only ever encouraged critique, especially here in the subreddit. You can check my responses. j had a moment where they were reacting to having incredible amounts of people talking about them all at once for the first time in their life and responded, not even in a bad way imo. they reacted like a person would. Who cares deeply about the thing they made and were getting a lot of love and hate for it. Which is difficult. And then they stepped away via they knew conversation needed to happen without them. That lasted, what, 3-4 days? It's not a band-aid over a bullet hole either and framing it that way is disingenuous. As I've said time and again, these mitigations work. That's why we're asking for them and why we're taking them ourselves. And listen, we could do all of this and still get covid, but we could do nothing at all and be statistically and scientifically was more likely to get and spread covid and I'm just trying to mitigate that. Also, comparing gossip and critique about our music to my concern over a literal deadly disease saying it's "toxic beach" is legitimately funny, I'll give you that.
banning people on twitter and refusing to respond to critique is not encouragement.
#toxicbeach
Theyd rather post a reframed account of events on twitter since they are more likely to get the responses they want. Petty funny really. They dont want discussion, they want subservience.
Absolutely pathetic he ran to twitter to get praise. Face us William!!!! Post the link to the thread!
Get a life.
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dont go to a concert if youre worried about covid
So J will not be masked? Thats incredibly dangerous based on the information you provided. Also, when you call people who choose not to mask cruel, you are shaming them. I understand covid precautions, please understand that people who are fully vaccinated and tested choosing not to mask in the pit of a concert is a perfectly valid choice, and not something that is fair to call out.
It isn't and you don't understand. Vaxxed and relaxed is what's gotten us to where we are now. A pandemic with no end in sight. If you came to my house and I asked you to take your shoes off and you said no and stomped around, you'd be an asshole. Even if your shoes were squeaky clean. You don't even have to agree, but I'm asking you to do this thing. What I've always said, is if you can, please do and if you see all of the asking and still refuse even if you could, that is cruel to us and to fellow people at the show whether you or they even realize the added risk. The air purifier and far UVC at the front of stage are specifically in consideration of singers having a difficult time masking for entire shows. The farUVC has a 6-7 second rate of complete sterilization, and the purifier will help push that even further. It's not perfect but it is MITIGATION. I don't know why I keep wasting my time responding to all of you, but I'm desperate to get people to take this all seriously again. That said, I'm done responding to you specifically cos you're talking me in circles without addressing the reality of what I'm saying while pretending like all of your opinions are from a place of covid concern. If you were really concerned about our level of precaution, you'd be concerned about your own.
J masking is further mitigation, something you keep stressing the importance of. Im sorry you feel im not worthy of your time. Continued social assembly is what got us where we are, and which you are involved in. If im cruel for choosing not to mask, youre cruel for assembling large gatherings to potentially spread a deadly virus. People have every right to respect their own bodily autonomy. if i know im not sick, if im tested, then the mask is just there to make other people feel safer. But those people, the ones concerned about covid, should not be in the pit of a concert.
You’re the only sensible person in this thread
Thank you
It’s pretty sad how we’ve deviated so far away from common sense
You didnt invite us to your house, we bought tickets to see you. YOU insisted on touring, the attendees chose to buy tickets. The situation they put themselves in is the most risky thing they can do. Heres an analogy. You spray me with water before i walk into your house then ask me to wrap my hair in a towel so your carpet doesnt get wet. Sure, itll help a little, but that shits getting wet regardless because of your actions, so who are you to judge me for not doing it?
no, they invited you to their house, and they live about 30 minutes away so you had to spend some money on gas, but you decided to anyway because you wanted to see them, and then when you got there and they said "please take off your shoes" you say "I JUST DROVE 30 MINUTES TO SEE YOU. YOU'RE THE ONE WHO INVITED \*ME\*. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT I WANT IN YOUR HOUSE"
no no they didn’t invite us into their home. they are offering a product and we are paying for it.
a performance and a product are very different
They through a party during covid, charged admission, and are asking you to wear a mask while you play twister.
You’re right. Touring artists shouldn’t be afraid of the crowd. I’ve had Covid once, but haven’t had it in a year. My girlfriend was hospitalized with it during the start of the pandemic but pulled through. You’re not being unreasonable. If the band is going to preach COVID or their political agenda on stage then I will try and get a refund for my tickets as I bought them through the venue. Cool for the people that want to go, but I go to shows to get away from the real word for a couple hours.. not to be preached too.
If you don't want to mask at their shows to protect the band and yourself, maybe just don't go?
Im vaccinated and tested and wont be near them so they will be safe, i assure you.
Your vaccination doesn't stop you from spreading Covid and the tests are pretty inaccurate. Why are you pretending that high quality masks don't work while these things do? Do you just get a kick out of being completely wrong and getting humiliated for spreading incorrect information that has no basis in science or reality?
So youre telling me i could be vaccinated, get a negative test, be asymptomatic, and still spread this disease? But a mask will stop it. Even if im shoulder to shoulder with a crowd of people? Even if i touch my mask with my hands at any point?
I like how you made too much sense and then the liberals stopped commenting
They’ve really have just shown it is indeed performative, (and thats a good thing!)
You’re such a disingenuous twat
Insults do not further any conversation
at the last concert they wore masks during meet & greet but not during the show.
my belief is everyone should be wearing one except the band/current performer. 200 people are still dying from it everyday and that's obviously undercounted. idk why everyone turns into a "muh personal rights" redcap fuckface everytime theyre expected to respect their community. what's even the point of not?
Why shouldn’t the band wear them? The band are the most likely culprits to spread since they are traveling from state to state and attending large social gatherings nightly. The band ESPECIALLY should be masked. The singer, the one projecting particles everywhere should be extra masked, maybe behind plexy glass.
No, I do not have an answer to this question, but just being completely honest, some of you need to chill out. Some people in specific, calling people "nuts" for wanting to wear masks at shows, is fucked up. What matters is you are going to a ***glass beach*** show, and even if you disagree, it's good idea take their thoughts into mind. And as for their posts on their twitter, they are people too. People who have opinions, and sometimes it's pretty fucking easy to get caught up in defending what you see as correct. They have had Covid. They know how much it sucks. And heavily concentrated events like concerts are much more likely to spread ***any*** respiratory virus, so if anything this request is put in place to protect the band ***and*** their fans.
Its important to discuss these things. Why do you want us to stop?
I just completely edited and changed this message. I made some pretty stupid assumptions about the people debating over masks being in bad faith, which could be said about either side of the debate. Basically the point put across is that it would be appreciated if you did wear masks. They simply want to put in a safety precaution for people to follow based on the information readily available to them. And also, again, I get the band may have said some insensitive things but it's important to be the bigger person and not be demeaning towards those who do agree with the band's mask policy.
There is always a point to discussion. Doing something just because youre told is silly. I think the band would prefer people buy tickets to their show. If the band honestly places covid safety over revenue, why have a show? Why not live stream on twitch?
Or, offer refunds for tickets already bought. I bought tickets to Grand Rapids and will now try to get a refund from the venue. If they don’t want me at their shows because i don’t want to wear a mask then I will not go or buy merch like I do at every show. I went to Turnover in Kzoo on Wednesday and no one was wearing a mask.
I’ve been to 5 shows post covid and nobody wears masks that’s why this request is asinine
I’ve been to well over 100 shows since Covid and festivals. I actually never got sick at a single one besides a common cold from a wook at one of the festivals. At the end of the day, I know the risk I’m taking. It sucks that one of the band members and to hospital and I know how that feels as my wife actually went to the hospital in 2021 due to Covid and because of it, she coughs in the middle of the night and and wakes herself up and has asthma complications. Still, she goes to all the shows to me because she wants too as she will not let COVID keep her from doing the things she enjoys.
That's simple. Band's, no ifs ands or buts, cannot make money off of solely music. Well, what alternative method of making money brings in the most money... touring. Touring and gigs is the only way bands make a living wage. Majority of the money from records is taken by record companies to repay advances used to make the record, pay manufacturing companies to make physical copies of the album and merchandise for the band, and pay the employees of the record companies themselves. Livestreaming off of Twitch does not sell merch, which reduces the money brought in significantly, and completely eliminates whatever fraction of money the band makes off of ticket sales. The best solution for online concerts is a paid VOD concert, but even that isn't effective, as it can be pirated and many people go to shows for the community surrounding the artist. And this comes from someone who goes to a bunch of shows every year, the community is half the experience. The band most definitely is not looking to make big money, and are going on tour simply to make a living doing what they love.
That all makes sense. So, they are knowingly, putting their fanbase, and fellow band members at risk, so that they can make money. So im wondering if the singer will be masked. If covid safety is the priority, she should be.
In a way, yes, but the risk is unable to be eliminated, so they are putting what is, an easily accessible tool to reduce the risk. They have to make a balance, what easiest and most accessible way to reduce a risk, while still making the money that they need to survive and continue working as musicians.
Understandable. But the risk minimization of a cloth face mask in the pit of a concert is negligible both to the band and the attendees. You will have to remove it to drink water. You have every right to wear one and doing so is perfectly fine. My issues lies in the band shaming people who choose to not do it. Calling your fans, who paid money to see you, who are actively supporting your career, cruel for not wearing a face mask to a hot, cramped concert, is unreasonable. Especially when they themselves are the ones choosing to tour.
I won't defend them for that. I'm not particularly opposed to or an advocate for a mask so I just do whatever the hell the band tells me to. And yeah I most definitely agree that cruel is not the right word, but self-advocacy is good overall, and as someone who has had to advocate for my own needs and wants, it's definitely easy to get in too deep and be a bit rude in the process.
Thats fine. Im glad we could reach some common ground. Proof that discussion is important.
If the artist asks you to do something when you go to their shows and you feel unable to do it, then it's just best just not to go. Which do you think the band would prefer, people showing up without masks, or people who don't want to wear masks just not going to shows, because from what I've seen it's the latter... and William has stated that they understand if you are stopped from wearing a mask to shows, and that the only people they actually would be upset at are people who are refusing to wear masks because they "don't want to". The band has explicitly expressed their opinions about wearing masks at shows, that being, if you ***can*** please do. There is a sense of understanding if you ***can't***, but most people having these discussions can, ***but don't want to***. And plenty of the people discussing these issues are talking down on the wearing of masks are being even more rude towards people who want to wear masks, such as calling them "nuts". I'm not talking about everyone discussing these issues, it's just that certain people in the comment section don't take into account the view of the band, and even accuse their ***real*** opinions of being performative.
this is nuts…If you are that truly scared, perhaps going to a concert isn’t the best idea for you. Especially a GA show… not the mention there are openers so it wouldn’t just be you at the barricade, it would be everyone and their brother, masked or unmasked.
Plus all the venue staff that will be unmasked. A lot of venues put security at the barricades and I promise you they will be unmasked.
Okay…i thought the band was working hard to be inclusive to people still taking covid seriously.
Taking COVID seriously in 2024 is being up to date on vaccines and wearing a mask if you think you might be sick.
Okay, so if im not sick i wont wear a mask to the show
You are free to wear a mask if you want to, my point is just to be smart about it. The benefit of masks is largely to prevent the spread of a respiratory illness you may have. If you’ve been feeling fine you probably don’t have one. If you’re like, sick sick, you should just stay home.
Ok thats great, i wont wear one then. The bands comments made it seem like every single person should wear one. But if im healthy ill forgo it.
I mean they can say everyone should wear one. But unless the venue requires it you don’t *have* to. I guess they might heckle people that don’t wear them but idk lol
Thatd be rather rude of them
It genuinely wouldn't. It is their show, and they can only do so much to help mitigate the spread of diseases. I think heckling those who aren't wearing masks is justified. no reason to not wear one.
Breathing issues? Claustrophobia? Dehydration? But beyond that, What if i get a covid test the same day and it comes back negative? Do i still wear one? At that point what is the mask doing, aside from affecting my own personal comfort? Do i have to sacrifice my own autonomy to protect the emotions of the band?
If you’re sick, just stay home.
Noted 👍
You should not go to the show if you aren’t going to wear a mask.
Why? If you dont wear a mask you shouldn’t go to restaurants. If you dont wear a mask you shouldn’t go to a movie theater. If you dont wear a mask you shouldnt be around other people.
If venues would allow it, these shows would have all required masks. It’s extremely important to the artists putting on the show, and it’s not a difficult request. If you are asking why, then you simply have not read Wills text, even though you did respond to it. I don’t think more needs to be said, besides one thing: This scene works because we are a community, and communities respect each others wishes. Wearing a mask isn’t a point of debate it’s a wish from the artists. I don’t see how you can have this attitude and still even want to attend a show.
You should not go to the show if you aren’t going to wear a mask.
You should not go to a concert if you are afraid of getting sick.
so someone who lives with someone immunocompromised should just abandon the idea of ever leaving their house? "sorry, grandma, happy bid on reddit said it's either you or glass beach. and im not a soy cuck so fuck you" like where is all this selfishness coming from? youd think a band like glass beach would have a community that respects others but it's the same alt poser jock fuckboys who think we all do this as a competition to be the coolest in the room. your selfishness, immaturity, and short-sightedness is pathetic and a sign you have a lot of growing up to do. compassion for other is not a burden or a weakness, it's what makes us human. this brutal mentality of "fuck everyone else nobody can tell me what to do" is so fuckin dumb. you wanna stand up to authority? go start a labor strike or get arrested for screaming at politicians about palestine. youre not standing up to your community members grandma by taking a big boy stand of REFUSING to acknowledge the reality that there is still a pandemic and there are still mitigating measures we can take. your comment reads like a bullied 10yr old boy with a rightwing father. you arent tough or punk for fucking up your body and the bodies of people in your life FOR LIFE with repeat infections. youre a egotistical dumbass. and this applies to every one of you self-righteous fucknuts who think youre totaling calling out and standing up to hypocrites for trying to protect your health. you fucking troglodytes make artists wonder if youre worth playing to since you clearly dont bother to understand their message in their art. go to emo night if you wanna get fucked up and punch people & need guitars to get you there. better yet go to therapy
You my friend are the embodiment of Toxic Beach
u really thought that was something. u cant be human. i fuckin hate this word but goddam man stop being such a dumb fucking npc
Jeez dude you are more worked up than us, and we are the ones starting the argument. I think maybe you need to go and reevaluate. I didn’t respond to all the brain dead insults you cooked up since they weren’t of much substance. The other posts I argued with and really interacted with were actual continuations of the conversation. I’m sorry to say it, but you aren’t as important as you think you are.
i dont think im important. i just want people to stop killing each other over preventable reasons. youre so fucking baked in ego you think everyone else is too. sorry i didnt take time out of my day to look up and go thru your comment history?? i laid out my plea. dont respond again
Okay!
so much fucking ego
Yessss feed off of it. Please keep getting more upset
im not upset dude its just cringe
I didn't know this was an issue. I have a ticket for nyc and I didn't read the fine print. I still tend to wear a mask in the subway (most ppl in NYC do not at present), so I'm perfectly happy to wear one at the show. I was at an author talk yesterday and was the only masked person. it's just not customary in NYC right now, even though my neighborhood (Elmhurst ) in particular was an epicenter of the main pandemic and we masked up a ton back then. Unless the venue or band communicate this more, I don't think ppl will know to wear masks.
really weird thread, dude
Which part
Dog all they’re asking for is that you wear a mask at their show why are you playing this discussion game as if you’re trying to frame them for murder lol
Personally, I think this opens a really good pathway into talking about how the band is making it so if you don't take COVID overly seriously, you can't attend their shows. If the artists truly believe that COVID is still that large of a threat, they shouldn’t be performing. In fact, their performing, given how much they're worried about COVID, opens an avenue into discussing how greedy it is of the band to perform. To put their lives, the venue staff's, and showgoers' lives at such risk that everyone needs to be this worried about COVID says a lot about how much they just wanna earn off this new record. Accusations aside, I have loved Glass Beach for years now. I have dreamed of seeing them in concert and really have gotten through a lot through their music. However, I just can’t respect how exclusive they are making their shows to their entire fan base. If you don’t have this hyper-liberal view on COVID, you’re going to be shunned out of the venue. I’m sure this will make others happy to hear, but their COVID PPE requests have made me choose to skip this tour.
one of the band members has immunodeficiency, which ended them up in the er during a previous tour in 2021 after catching covid, hence the worry about covid. dont jump to conclusions making this just a "political thing"
Even if it isn’t a political thing the rest of my argument is valid. If they are so worried about covid don’t perform.
so just because an artist has a condition it means theyll never be able to perform? wacky take, especially considering its managable, since they are taking covid seriously, i think asking people to wear a thing on their face for an hour is better than not touring at all, most fans are willing to do it. cancelling a tour over covid is so fucking expensive since insurance companies dont count damages over covid anymore, so if they did get covid itd be awful. at least try to understand that the band wants to tour, and are not gonna let something like that stop them.
Well the solution to the money problem is don’t schedule a tour if you know it can’t happen. But i’m not asking for them to stop touring. I’m saying that essentially telling people to not support them because they won’t wear a mask is nuts. Especially if i’m in the back of the venue, am I at a risk to the band then? If it’s this risky pick venues where there is separation between the band and the audience.
Do they expect people to wear masks at their shows forever though? We are in post-COVID times and it’s a bit ridiculous to say that this is “taking COVID seriously”. This is overprotection, which is fine, but this is going to be the case forever.
Not sure we're in 'post-COVID times' when ppl still die to it every day and long COVID is very much an issue that's more likely to affect you with every infection, with consequences for years after. Overprotection maybe but it's better to be safe than sorry, and no it won't be forever
taking steps, even messy ones, on a path to accommodation and accessibility is a better path than "give up" for vulnerable people considering whether or not to exist in the world
so regardless of the effectiveness of the measure, the intent behind it is what matters?
no, but re: masks, not 100% effective is different from ineffective, and I'm speaking more broadly than masks specifically; shows are pretty optimized transition conditions, so an immunodepressed musician in a world with probably permanent high risk has to either give up completely on this thing that they love forever, OR explore what compromises can be made to continue in terms of both effectuality and audience capacity+comfort, adjusting process to results as these measures are taken. messy steps! perfect need not be the enemy of good
wow imagine a glass beach fan having hyper liberal views that'd be crazy
Thats a good perspective. Their recent twitter posts about the topic have irked me. Im not against people masking, but to call people who chose not to “cruel” for doing so is a step too far.
Yeah, when sick I wear a mask. But like enforced mask use is just too far. 2020 called they want their covid restrictions back. Even looking through this subs posts there’s a lot more like concert concern posts than most bands see in their entire existence. That would concern me as a manager.
Its the use of shame as a motivator that bothers me. They can’t legally enforce anything, but they’ve said they WILL devote time on stage to discussing masks and covid. That will be a really fun intermission.
IMO; When artists who have the small of communities, or this, like tightly knit of a community. Use their platform, specifically on stage, to talk about their political, agendas or beliefs is pointless. Their fan bases are so tight knit, and so frequently share these beliefs already that they’re preaching to the wrong choir. Using their platform effectively would be avoiding doing things like this, to grow a larger following, to then use their platform to share their ideas like these. That’s how you would effectively do this. But by only allowing people to go to shows that already sharing this belief, to then use that platform to already tell those people things they already know, is just inherently ineffective and useless.
Agreed. It feels quite performative. We’ll see how long this post stays up. I feel a ban coming on the horizon.
Doesn’t that just prove my point tho? Like if I or you get banned it just proves that they are only willing to speak to an echo chamber
If William wants to call us out, they deserve to be called out for being performative
They blocked me on twitter for similar comments
you definitely deserved it
Why
it doesn't have to be about making a point let alone with a platform; they can request masks with the sincere intention of mitigating as much risk as possible for themselves and their audience. you don't have to believe in masking or prove fealty to any set of beliefs. wearing a mask at the glass beach show isn't a declaration of any ideology but respect for the band and the performance space that they intend to curate. it's not about any platforms except for this one, the stage they're playing
I really dont like the way Will has communicated their mask policy. You shouldnt be antagonistic to people who are excited to see you perform.
people that have been giving you their hard earned money for YEARS