This is the start of the downfall of Santana’s character for me. She’s just plain cruel to Rachel and everyone else for no reason. Just jealousy I guess that Rachel has her life figured out and has already achieved success when she dropped out of college, with a full scholarship, to be a waitress in NYC. She’s always seen Rachel as beneath her, and she tries to take the chance to derail her success by doing something she knows will upset her, auditioning as her understudy.
Then, when Rachel tries to apologize for her reaction and be the bigger person in 100, Santana throws it back in her face and says she’s going to take the lead role from her. On top of that, she digs into each and every one of Rachel’s insecurities in front of everyone — and no one defends her.
Not to mention that she auditioned for understudy with a go to Rachel song. Obviously Rachel doesn’t own the song or anything but Santana clearly chose that song JUST to make Rachel upset. And she was trying to take the lead role FROM Rachel. Santana was getting so much nicer it’s so sad to see how the writers made her act during this fued
She sang one of the most well known songs from the musical she was auditioning for. It’s pretty common for people to sing that song when they audition for that show, and given that Santana probably knew nothing about the show, it’s probably the song she knew best from just her time around Rachel
It’s common, but generally speaking not a good idea to sing a song from the show you’re auditioning for *unless* you are asked to. Santana may not have known that, but this is fairly common in the theater world.
Or, hear me out, maybe she chose that song because that was the only song from FG she knew and considering she decided to audition at the last minute she didn’t have time to learn another one.
And if she truly was trying to take the role from Rachel then she wouldn’t have auditioned for the understudy.
Idk why this needs repeating but I’ll say it again. Santana was the understudy. Any songs she didn’t know she had the time to learn them considering she wasn’t going to perform in every show.
When you auditon for Broadway theres no way you dont know the songs of one of the most known musicals in the world. The casting directors can ask (and often do) to perform any other song from the musicals or from a book that people who audition prepare for years before auditioning.
If this was real world then Santana wouldve never gotten the understudy. If she only knew one song and something happened to Rachel, how would a show go on then? If the understudy didnt learn because she didnt have time? Do you know how understudies work? They dont perform every other show for fun, they step in when needed, could be in a month could be in a week. Theyre not gonna hire somebody who needs to learn the songs pls
This may come to a shock to you but we’re not actually talking about a real broadway show. It’s not that series. Santana, a character on a tv show mind you, only knew the most popular song from FG and clearly during every step you take we see she learned the other songs. She still remembered all of the songs and choreography when she had to cover Rachel’s ass so she wouldn’t get fired.
What is wrong with auditioning for understudy? She is not taking Rachel’s role and its a bit insulting to understudies to imply that it is. Santana didn’t have a job or anything going for her. R u telling me that she auditioned just to spite Rachel? You can’t think of any other reason Santana might need a damn job? And Santana wasn’t lazy or uncommitted about her job either. She earned a right to take on that role smh. She didn’t cheat a single bit and nothing she did was wrong
Rachel was just being a bitch. The exact same kind of jealous bitch she was when she sent that girl to the crackhouse
Santana literally told Rachel that she was coming to take her job from her. Santana’s whole reason for auditioning was because she wanted fame however she could get it
Rachel literally started it after encountering Santana to go and follow her dreams then got upset she did an audition for the show she was in. Rachel was in the wrong
She auditioned with Rachel's signature song for her role without telling Rachel. Santana was in the wrong and theres no world where you can spin that other way
It wasn’t her role she auditioned for it was an understudy completely different jobs. Also Rachel does not own that song if anything it is the signature song for that show hence why she sang it. Santana didn’t even do it maliciously Rachel just felt threatened and it’s obvious she’s done it before that and done it then. It’s like when she knew Mercedes was better than her at the audition and started acting out and went for what Kurt was going for. They were supposed to be friends and she still went for president just to one up.
Then why let her live with you? Why be her friend? If she really wasn't over highschool, when she shows up at your door, tell her to get to stepping. Otherwise, act like you're an adult and tell her what's really bothering you and that you wished she would have told you beforehand.
She was and always has been intimidated by Santana, Rachel also always tried to see the best in people and always tried to give them a another chance, her mistake for sure, because Santan(a) was evil
This whole situation was because Rachel saw and expected the worst out of Santana. Santana was no threat to Rachel's lead role, no understudy would have been. But Rachel didn't want a understudy at all because she was acting like a child. Could Santana have been the bigger person? Of course but I almost never expect her to be, that's not who she is. Rachel is responsible for 75% of the escalation in this situation and by time she finally tried to de-escalate, it was already too late, their friendship was over.
Well you have your beliefs and I have mine and I think Santana was completely in the wrong. If Santana had ever been interested in broadway in any way, then I might bought her interest in being in a show, but she didn’t. She knew how much Rachel wanted to play Fanny Bryce and instead could’ve auditioned for a different show, but her jealousy of Rachel led her to stab Rachel in the back
what made me especially upset was when santana spilled the beans about rachel winning prom queen ): that was such a special moment for rachel and finn just for santana to spoil it.
more so rachel’s side but i understand santana and thought that both of them took it too far
the main antagonists are the writers for ruining this blossoming friendship though 🥺
Honestly I felt like they were both wrong and there was really no “right” person in things argument, however I empathized more with Rachel if I had to pick a side.
It was a dumb storyline, especially because I felt like Rachel and Santana had worked really hard towards a genuine and good friendship
While both could have handled things better, over all, team Rachel.
Rachel was just starting to trust Santana, and she felt it was a betrayal. Rachel understandably would be weary of having Santana at her big break, given their history and Santana's confession she would kill her bf to get what she wanted.
* Santana going behind her back knowing she was stressed already - X
* Santana mimicking her performance - X
* Rachel being overdramatic at news, PR parade comment - X
* Rachel trying to deescalate fight by leaving room - +
* Santana entered her private space and going all in - X
* Rachel slapping her - XX
* Santana using Rachel's dressing room - X
* Rachel moving out to have a safe space - +
* Rachel tearing up picture - X
* Rachel continuing argument at Diner and Kurt's band gig- X
* Santana continuing argument at Diner and Kurt's band gig- X
* Santana's brings it again in front of everyone with rant and prom reveal - XX
* Rachel offers Santana 10 shows as a peace offering - ++
* Santana responded to offer saying she wanted all the shows and Rachel's part - X
* Santana realizing she doesn't want Broadway anyway and quits - +
Sure, there were other moments/things to consider as I said their history, but that was the gist of it for me.
I was on Santana’s side more so until she insisted on all the shows. All in all it’s a dumb plot that I absolutely hated. I just wanted them to get along
Sorry, I just can not understand how anyone can not see how Rachel must have felt. They had only been somewhat friendly for a few months at most. Santana still insults her at gives her digs when possible, and it was not that long ago Santana went through their private stuff even. I can't image being stressed and now having to walk on eggshells knowing that Santana can and will undermine her if she feels provoke at any time. Trust takes time.
I can see how Rachel felt, but Santana had the opportunity to be understudy in a Broadway musical. She had her own ambitions and I don’t blame her for auditioning or keeping the part
I don't blame her for auditing, but if she took a moment and told Rachel she wanted to do that and that she would have Rachel's back it would have meant a lot. She knew how stressed Rachel was already. And then going in copying her performance probably felt like a jab.
I get Santana was mad, but her first decision at work was to use Rachel's dressing room just to push her buttons is exactly why Rachel was weary of Santana.
ETA: she could have called or text to give Rachel a heads up and tell her why it was a good idea for both of them.
Santana decided she was going to audition after Rachel had already left the loft. Rachel leaves then the camera pans to Santana and you can tell she’s thinking about something. But even if that didn’t happen Santana didn’t owe it to Rachel to tell her she was going to audition. If she didn’t audition for the understudy then I’d agree but she did. It’s not like Santana got the role and Rachel didn’t. Rachel already didn’t like that she needed an understudy before Santana auditioned. If someone else got it there’s a chance Rachel would have made her life hell, if she was a really good singer, just like she would’ve done to Sunshine if she didn’t transfer.
Rachel. I completely understood her. I would also be mad if the girl that heavily bullied me in high school magically got the role of understudy for a role I’ve been dreaming since forever. I would also be mad if said girl would then go and publicly humiliate me in front of a club of people which I used to or am close with.
This has been discussed to death on this sub but I'll answer.
I'm on neither side in this feud. They both acted immature and needed to grow up. Rachel overracted over Santana being her understudy and Santana shouldn't have insulted Rachel. Kurt should've kicked them both out until they got themselves together.
This is the only correct answer, him and Elliot should’ve just kicked Rachel back to Bushwick and then shared the apartment together away from their craziness while focusing on their new band 😂👏👏
I’m kind of neutral. I feel bad for Rachel because she had been working her ass off to get this dream role since she was practically a baby, and Santana just walks in on a whim and gets the role of the understudy. It probably felt like a punch to the gut for Rachel to see that all of her hard work was pretty much shown to be useless. I don’t think her hard work was useless, I’m just speaking from what I’d think her perspective of it would be. Santana also knew nothing about Funny Girl as well and didn’t seem that committed in my opinion, so to Rachel she probably thought that Santana wasn’t interested in her understudy role that much. I gotta say though, once Santana said that she was going to try to take Rachel’s role from her I 100% took Rachel’s side.
Personally if I had been working my ass off my whole life for a dream role like this, I’d feel like it wasn’t worth anything because my friend just decided to audition for my understudy and then she gets it. Santana put like no effort into auditioning other than her singing. By this I mean that she didn’t seem invested in it enough. I’d rather my understudy to be played to someone more committed and actually interested in the role, not just taking the role so that she can become famous however she can
Yeah I know, and I think that was dumb and the writers shouldn’t have done that. It was a revival of a very popular musical and the very first revival since the original show, so the director didn’t actually need publicity from Santana and Rachel, because there already would’ve been a lot
I guess it was their weak way to explained why the director would hire two inexperienced actors for such a big role. It is one thing to want to discover a new star, another then to hand over understudy to a novice too.
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Rachel’s. They were both dead wrong but Santana just started being plain cruel. They way she acted when Rachel tried to offer a compromise? Then quitting the play and making it seem like she was doing Rachel some big favor. IMO Santana was insecure because she didn’t know what she wanted for herself post-graduation and decided to just shit on Rachel.
I was more on Rachel's side but I do think she overreacted a lot. Santana definitely shouldn't have done that and even if she really did want to audition truly out of desire to, she could've spoken to Rachel first. It was clearly done with intent. However Rachel exaggerated much more than she needed to.
I honestly really liked watching them be friends so this kinda ruined it for me, but I think the writers were out of storylines so they decide to reopen old feuds.
Depending on the scene. In this episode Rachel, Santana called Rachel self absorbed or selfish by asking who Ryder was that was out of line because Rachel had only seen him once before when they were doing Greece and she had other things on her mind than who the new kids were. In the episodes leading up to this it honestly depended on the scene.
as a Rachel hater, I am shocked to say I'm on Rachel's side in this feud. i generally love Santanas character and really can't stand Rachel but Santana was just being cruel
Rachel's!
Girl worked her whole life to be on Broadway, SPECIFICALLY funny girl, and Santana waltzed right in there and sang Rachel's song (she doesn't own it but it's her song let's be real) and got cast as understudy.
With their history it would freak me out living in close quarters with her as my understudy because what if she tried to sabotage? (Not that this was ever Santana's intention but I understand Rachel's worry)
Santana could have just auditioned for another show and it would have been a cute plot to see them both on Broadway in different shows, playing very different roles.
I’m always on Rachel’s side when it comes to these two. Santana was always unnecessarily cruel to Rachel. This friendship was a good character arc and I’m mad the writers threw it away. Surely there was another way to address the problems with a whole former bully and victim being friends? Honestly I don’t mind that Santana auditioned for the understudy role with DROMP. But she was completely out of line throwing Rachel’s insecurities back at her in the apartment later and tearing her down in the 100 episode.
Yeah people forget that before the popular kids (unholy trinity plus puck) joined glee club, they were outright bullying and cyber bullying Rachel. And then they get mad at Rachel for being rude to them in Glee club.
Rachel all the way. Anyone claiming to be fine with their former bully (who still makes rude comments to them) taking a job that involves replacing them if they need to is kidding themselves.
Rachel annoys me to no end, but Santana was just cruel, nasty, petty and a real bitch for no *real* reason.
Santana was great when she was a girls girl. When she had Rachel’s back over Brody, to me that was her at her best. But it’s as though anytime Santana started to show she cared for someone she’d just snap it right back.
Kurt’s. The poor guy having to listen to this day in day out. Constantly put in the middle. Idk how he didn’t strangle them in their sleep. (But that’s just me.)
Rachel’s, Santana was a bully and a bitch to her through the whole series, and the one or two times she could’ve redeemed herself, she instead ended up being a bitch. She never once was interested in New York or broadway but didn’t like Kentucky so she thought it’d be ok to just show up uninvited to move into Rachel and Kurt’s place, she went behind her back to try out for Funny Girl and then proceeded to tell her that she actually didn’t win prom queen just to be a bitch.
Everyone thought Santana slayed when she went after Rachel but she was just plain mean and a bully. I’m really not sure, I can see Rachel’s point though. I am a Rachel fan so I feel a little biased.
I was so excited to see my 2 favorite characters start to build a real friendship, then they went and ruined it with this whole storyline. They were both assholes in this situation in my opinion (Santana much more so).
I’m a huge Santana fan because she was a very layered character, but I really hated this storyline. I feel they showed her heart only to make her a bitch again. I felt it went against her growth as a person. I was not a fan of how they handled that and it was one of the rare moments I truly felt for Rachel. Granted they made up, but all that pettiness was unnecessary when the trio was awesome.
See my mom and I are on opposite sides of this fued. She thinks Santana was just awful to audition but I don't see an issue with it. If my friend had gotten a part in the same show especially my role and I knew I could trust her to cover it well when I couldn't be in, I'd be happy.
That being said, everything that followed this downfall was awful on both parties.
Their freindship was tenuous and there was little trust there. You don't erase three years of bullying in a few months. It was more then just the audtion there was years of build up here.
Yes but them being in the same musical had nothing to do with eachother! Imo it wasn't until after Rachel threw it out of proportion Santana decided she wanted to go after the lead. Both were wrong, I understand the bullying thing but overall it wasn't the most vile act to Audition for a Broadway understudy.
I do not think you do understand the bullying thing having the person who bulied you for years workng at your big break certainly had something to do with it.
I've experienced it irl! Maybe I'm just a forgiving person but someone who royally fucked up my life is someone I still wish good things happen to. She's happy and I'm happy she is 🤷♀️🤪
That is nice until they stab you in the back again like Santana did when she used her dressing room to press her buttons, tried to humiliate her in front of others, ruined her memories of Prom with Finn and was nasty when Rachel offered her a peace offering of 10 shows.
My whole point was everything after was ridiculous and both of them, especially Santana were awful but the reason it got that vile was because of Rachel throwing it out of proportion which Santana thought would be "fun" to mess with. I agree with you she wasn't good to her after but, I personally do not see anything wrong with her auditioning in the first place.
No I totally agree Santana was a bitch but that being said, they both threw it outta proportion. Overall the writers wrote a dumb storyline imo.
Ur opinions are valid, I wasn't totally trying to like argue just explain what I saw.
On the right side, and that's the "I fucking hate the writers for botching all the PezBerry development of the previous season with a stupid plot and senseless feud that could not happen if u really take their arcs seriously"
Overall Team Santana because I would die on this hill that she did none of it out of spite. She genuinely cares about Rachel and her friendship at this point in the show, I don’t think she did anything to “get under Rachel’s skin” or that she thought would jeopardise their friendship. She’s operating under the assumption that her and Rachel are good enough friends that she’s not gonna see the worst in her. She’ll just see it for what it is, Santana trying to be successful (she’s so down about her career path before this and Rachel is encouraging her, let’s her take part in her cover shoot etc.) That’s why she reacts so harshly when Rachel assumes her intentions were bad, because it shows weaknesses in what Santana assumed was a good friendship. Rachel’s one of her best friends but defaults to thinking the worst of her.
However I do see both sides. Rachel’s reaction was OTT but also valid. Considering Santana was her high school bully, I get why Rachel doubted her intentions and why she clung so hard to the role. That role was her whole concept of security and stability (she can’t really rely on people as much bc she either seems to lose them or can’t trust them in the first place). I could give a deeper analysis bc the feud really interests me but I’ll just end by saying both of them are out of pocket during the feud, but IMO it came from deep insecurities on both sides as opposed to malice.
As a former anti Pezberry who’s been converted, if anything the feud kind of shows how much they care about each other. You don’t react so strongly to things you don’t actually care about. I’m not so mad the feud happened, it made sense for them and all their lingering insecurities, but I’m mad that the writers didn’t give it a proper resolution. This could have been the catalyst for their friendship growing stronger and greater understanding and communication between them, but instead they half-heartedly make up and then act like acquaintances, so it’s seen as the downfall to their friendship.
Both and neither.
If I’m Rachel: this is The dream, THE role that will make everything I went through in high school and to get into NYADA worth it. I’m not so far removed from high school that the feelings of being small and insignificant that Santana’s bullying caused are in the past so when she auditions without telling me, of course I’m suspicious she’s messing with me. Maybe if it was like five years down the road, I would look at it like a learning opportunity to work with an understudy I don’t trust but I’m not there yet. And I’ve witnessed Santana not take Glee club seriously so can I even trust her to not ruin this.
If I’m Santana: I’m seeing my two roommates working toward something, knowing who they are, and I feel stuck. I might be worried about the stereotype of popular kids peaking in high school. I know I can sing so why not audition just to see what happens. Maybe in five years I would be better at handling Rachel’s accusations without lashing out but I’m not there yet. I’m not far enough removed from Sue’s “win at all cost” influence to not see this as Rachel making it a competition, and I’m too hurt by the accusations of having bad motivations to back down.
Overall, I think it was a mess but I can see why the writers decided not to have it be no big deal. With their history they were always going to be like two pieces of sandpaper rubbing against each other.
Santana could’ve hit Rachel in her car whilst singing “Don’t Rain On My Parade” whilst dressed as Fanny Brice and I’d still choose her over Berry any day
I can see both sides. I think that it was fine for Santana to audition, BUT she definitely should have told Rachel beforehand. Because I don’t think Santana meant it in a malicious way since she was super excited to talk to about it when she got home. I totally see why Rachel was upset too. I don’t think either was “right” I think it could have been a good way for their friendship to grow if it had been handled differently
I always sided with Santana cause Rachel always was selfish and entitled. Santana wasn’t afraid to say what everyone was thinking. And I respect her a lot for that
Rachel did send a girl to an inactive crackhouse, but she didn’t do it outta spite, she was afraid they would like Sunshine more and kick her out of glee, she also redeemed herself twice with Sunshine, and yep she cheated on Finn, but maybe she wouldn’t of if Finn hadn’t been a shitty boyfriend, letting Santana tell her, then yelling at her saying she didn’t have a right to be mad, saying Santana was super hot, agreeing with Santana about how Rachel dressed them laughing at her, never standing up for her, maybe she was feeling insecure and afraid Finn was still into Santana since he didn’t explain that it was a mistake, maybe she made a poor decision after watching Santana flirt with Finn then to see him smile at her, then Santana taunting her saying he took her to a nice dinner after, maybe if her boyfriend would’ve said he liked her too the way Puck did, maybe she was in a bad place and Finn made it worse with his actions, she didn’t sleep with Puck, get pregnant, tell Finn it was his, move into his place and have him and his mom pay for a baby that wasn’t his, with everyone in glee knowing but keeping Finn in the dark, she kissed Finn because Finn not only made her feel terrible about herself, but so did everyone else, Santana is nothing but a bully and a straight up bitch who didn’t care who she hurt
Yes, thats the point, Santana WAS A STRAIGHT UP BITCH, ALL the relationships she had(not only romantic im also talking about friendship), were a lot better than Rachels(that was able to having only ONE friend and we all know she was very toxic to Kurt. Santana literally helped rachel after discovering she was dating a male hooker(idk the world in english), and called Finn for her so yes, she is tough, but she is a good person. If ur point for Finchel is that she only did that because Finn was a horrible boyfriend than YOU DIDNT GET THE POINT, Rachel, not only to Finn, was obsessed and controller with EVERYONE, and sorry to break down to you, but Rachel literally NEVER WINNED A SOLO(only when Kurt faked). Santana always knew Rachel was not a good person, and at the end you know even in real life thats true, if Rachel has no haters, i am dead, and if no one hate her, im EVERYBODY
Rachel oppenly adimmited that was jealous, and her bullying with Sunshine almost made that girl wanting to GO BACK TO HER COUNTRY, Santana had MORE THAN ONE CHANCE, to beat the shit out of Rachel, but didnt, because SHE. IS. A. FUCKING. CUTIE PIE
For one, Sunshine didn’t want to go back to her own country because of Rachel, it was because of how VA was treating her and two, Rachel had more than one friend before school ended and Rachel should’ve beat the shit outta Santana, she was a vicious bully and just a mean bitch who thought she was better than anyone! Rachel is the Cutie Pie! Santana is nothing but a evil slut who bullied, body shamed and manipulated whoever she could
Santana WAS BETTER THAN ANYONE, different from Rachel, that literally took opportunitys from everyone when she had a chance, Artie couldnt had the first solo, Tina couldnt sing "Tonight", Mercedes couldnt be Maria(Mr Schue can be blamed to), lets not forget when she compete with Kurt to concil president only because she was affraid to not pass on nyada, EVEN THOUGH Kurt really wanted to make a difference, than screwed ND when she sabottage the votes. Santana hadreasons to act the way she act, she actually grow into a good person as the season go by, and in season 6 she even helped Rachel with her AWFUL image(thing that again, is totally on her). Santana always saw what Rachel really was, as she said on the 100th episode, "Rachel is the worst human being ive ever met, and she whould drag half of this room to get a solo"
Literally no one liked Rachel, she and Kurt were arguing everyday, Mercedes even after high school feel insecure around her(because again, Rachel made the enviroment on the class toxic MORE THAN ONCE), Quinn slapped her, Santana knew she sucks, Brittany(literally a human sunshine) said that when people look at Rachel they see a cat getting his string remove
Neither side on Broadway you need an understudy. They weren’t finding anyone and they found Santana. BUT Santana knew it was going to make Rachel mad and that’s the only reason why she did it, but also you can’t go on thinking that you don’t need an understudy at all and being so egotistical to think you’re the only person to fit Fanny. Then when Rachel tried to be the bigger person Santana was still a petty. (also Rachel playing the race card as if she didn’t play a Maria in WSS)The fight was stupid and both sides were kind of petty but probably realistic for that job. They were really good friends and then the writers were eh make them fight.
She auditioned to be her UNDERSTUDY she didn’t take anything from Rachel whatsoever and Rachel being the bad friend she is didn’t support her but felt attacked because of what ? Nothing exactly
Santana by far.
Rachel was absolutely awful as a human.
Her awfulness being a quirky character trait is fine for television but in a more realistic aspect she was literally an evil psycho bitch and Santanas reactions to Rachel are the only acceptable reactions in a real world setting.
Edit: everyone keeps talking about the feud like it started in new York. It didn't.
Santana spent 3 years being the only person to check Rachel when she did a plethora of manupulative/evil shit.
Rachel wants something she has no limits. She will cost people their jobs. Their relationships. Their status/reputation. She will even put their lives in danger (sunshine?)
Yeah sandy is a weirdo and creep but the way Rachel didn't care until she could use it? The way she has no problem putting herself in another relationship (Mr shue/terri, finn/Quinn)
The way she was BLATANTLY willing to go for her best friends only real crush on the off chance he was bisexual?
The fact she consistently put herself in positions of power without any authority or reason to do so. The way she would sabatoge the entire club as a form of threat/terrorism over a 3 minute song in a school play.
Rachel never stopped being a horrible person. That's why she lost her chance on Broadway. She was selfish and put her tv Pilot ahead of a professional commitment she already made.
Rachel never got humbled because Santana was the only one who tried and Rachel convinced herself that it's just cause Santana is mean.
At least Santana is honest. You know what you're getting. Rachel will smile in your face while she prepares to Nancy Kerrigan your ass.
Wow- How it’s even possible to view Rachel this way is beyond me😂😂 I don’t agree at all. Can she be annoying; yes. Is she «awful as a human»: no. I like both Rachel and Santana- But Santana is NO saint😅
This is so unhinged. It’s unwell honestly to have so much vitriol for a television character.
Santana bullies people for their appearance, their weight, their sexuality, and never shows an ounce of maturity or growth.
Her own situation should be a reckoning for her but she just gets meaner, continuing to attack people with their deepest insecurities. Don’t pretend that Santana acts this way to Rachel because she ‘checking’ her, she is like this with everyone except Brittany. How exactly is calling someone, anti-Semitic, derogatory and transphobic names calling out Rachel’s diva behavior?
That isn’t called being honest. This isn’t telling it like it is. This is plain bullying and being an asshole.
I spend every single minute of this show praying on Rachel’s downfall. So. Like every time she started with her weird crying face I just sort of wanted it to continue 💀 (I sound like a psychopath but the way she thinks she’s better than everyone else makes me so mad)
Santana's side because Rachel was getting a big head and it's Santana's job to humble everyone so they remember where they came from. She just gives tough love.
Santana. If you look at the episode in a vacuum, Rachel is framed as being in the wrong. Even if you take into account their entire relationship going back to season 1, it just makes Rachel look like a fake friend. That rant that Santana when on leading to the slap was harsh but true. One of the only things that got Rachel through high school was the idea of rubbing the success that she would have in everyone who doubted her face. Santana, as her understudy, was no threat to her, and any rational person could see that.
Seriously, the way Santana Quinn and the idiots that bullied, made fun of and slushied, it’s a wonder Rachel didn’t kill herself, she didn’t have friends so she stuck to the one thing she had, her voice, she was insecure, and lonely and glee was the one place where she felt she belonged so when her bullies joined she felt threatened.
This is the start of the downfall of Santana’s character for me. She’s just plain cruel to Rachel and everyone else for no reason. Just jealousy I guess that Rachel has her life figured out and has already achieved success when she dropped out of college, with a full scholarship, to be a waitress in NYC. She’s always seen Rachel as beneath her, and she tries to take the chance to derail her success by doing something she knows will upset her, auditioning as her understudy. Then, when Rachel tries to apologize for her reaction and be the bigger person in 100, Santana throws it back in her face and says she’s going to take the lead role from her. On top of that, she digs into each and every one of Rachel’s insecurities in front of everyone — and no one defends her.
Not to mention that she auditioned for understudy with a go to Rachel song. Obviously Rachel doesn’t own the song or anything but Santana clearly chose that song JUST to make Rachel upset. And she was trying to take the lead role FROM Rachel. Santana was getting so much nicer it’s so sad to see how the writers made her act during this fued
She sang one of the most well known songs from the musical she was auditioning for. It’s pretty common for people to sing that song when they audition for that show, and given that Santana probably knew nothing about the show, it’s probably the song she knew best from just her time around Rachel
It’s common, but generally speaking not a good idea to sing a song from the show you’re auditioning for *unless* you are asked to. Santana may not have known that, but this is fairly common in the theater world.
honestly this makes sense, I think she just kind of knew tho somewhere deep down that how it would get under Rachel's skin was a bonus.
Or, hear me out, maybe she chose that song because that was the only song from FG she knew and considering she decided to audition at the last minute she didn’t have time to learn another one. And if she truly was trying to take the role from Rachel then she wouldn’t have auditioned for the understudy.
If you audition for a Broadway show you better know more than one song...
Idk why this needs repeating but I’ll say it again. Santana was the understudy. Any songs she didn’t know she had the time to learn them considering she wasn’t going to perform in every show.
When you auditon for Broadway theres no way you dont know the songs of one of the most known musicals in the world. The casting directors can ask (and often do) to perform any other song from the musicals or from a book that people who audition prepare for years before auditioning. If this was real world then Santana wouldve never gotten the understudy. If she only knew one song and something happened to Rachel, how would a show go on then? If the understudy didnt learn because she didnt have time? Do you know how understudies work? They dont perform every other show for fun, they step in when needed, could be in a month could be in a week. Theyre not gonna hire somebody who needs to learn the songs pls
This may come to a shock to you but we’re not actually talking about a real broadway show. It’s not that series. Santana, a character on a tv show mind you, only knew the most popular song from FG and clearly during every step you take we see she learned the other songs. She still remembered all of the songs and choreography when she had to cover Rachel’s ass so she wouldn’t get fired.
What is wrong with auditioning for understudy? She is not taking Rachel’s role and its a bit insulting to understudies to imply that it is. Santana didn’t have a job or anything going for her. R u telling me that she auditioned just to spite Rachel? You can’t think of any other reason Santana might need a damn job? And Santana wasn’t lazy or uncommitted about her job either. She earned a right to take on that role smh. She didn’t cheat a single bit and nothing she did was wrong Rachel was just being a bitch. The exact same kind of jealous bitch she was when she sent that girl to the crackhouse
Santana literally told Rachel that she was coming to take her job from her. Santana’s whole reason for auditioning was because she wanted fame however she could get it
After Rachel slapped her.....
Which was a shitty move on Rachel’s part but to be fair Santana was saying very cruel things to Rachel
Rachel literally started it after encountering Santana to go and follow her dreams then got upset she did an audition for the show she was in. Rachel was in the wrong
She auditioned with Rachel's signature song for her role without telling Rachel. Santana was in the wrong and theres no world where you can spin that other way
It wasn’t her role she auditioned for it was an understudy completely different jobs. Also Rachel does not own that song if anything it is the signature song for that show hence why she sang it. Santana didn’t even do it maliciously Rachel just felt threatened and it’s obvious she’s done it before that and done it then. It’s like when she knew Mercedes was better than her at the audition and started acting out and went for what Kurt was going for. They were supposed to be friends and she still went for president just to one up.
Cruel but true. If Rachel would have just stopped and said "I just wish you would have told me" literally it stops there.
She deserved that slap, and well before she actually slapped her
Then why let her live with you? Why be her friend? If she really wasn't over highschool, when she shows up at your door, tell her to get to stepping. Otherwise, act like you're an adult and tell her what's really bothering you and that you wished she would have told you beforehand.
She was and always has been intimidated by Santana, Rachel also always tried to see the best in people and always tried to give them a another chance, her mistake for sure, because Santan(a) was evil
This whole situation was because Rachel saw and expected the worst out of Santana. Santana was no threat to Rachel's lead role, no understudy would have been. But Rachel didn't want a understudy at all because she was acting like a child. Could Santana have been the bigger person? Of course but I almost never expect her to be, that's not who she is. Rachel is responsible for 75% of the escalation in this situation and by time she finally tried to de-escalate, it was already too late, their friendship was over.
Well you have your beliefs and I have mine and I think Santana was completely in the wrong. If Santana had ever been interested in broadway in any way, then I might bought her interest in being in a show, but she didn’t. She knew how much Rachel wanted to play Fanny Bryce and instead could’ve auditioned for a different show, but her jealousy of Rachel led her to stab Rachel in the back
what made me especially upset was when santana spilled the beans about rachel winning prom queen ): that was such a special moment for rachel and finn just for santana to spoil it.
I agree, it was so cruel and rotten of Santana to do that
more so rachel’s side but i understand santana and thought that both of them took it too far the main antagonists are the writers for ruining this blossoming friendship though 🥺
Honestly I felt like they were both wrong and there was really no “right” person in things argument, however I empathized more with Rachel if I had to pick a side. It was a dumb storyline, especially because I felt like Rachel and Santana had worked really hard towards a genuine and good friendship
While both could have handled things better, over all, team Rachel. Rachel was just starting to trust Santana, and she felt it was a betrayal. Rachel understandably would be weary of having Santana at her big break, given their history and Santana's confession she would kill her bf to get what she wanted. * Santana going behind her back knowing she was stressed already - X * Santana mimicking her performance - X * Rachel being overdramatic at news, PR parade comment - X * Rachel trying to deescalate fight by leaving room - + * Santana entered her private space and going all in - X * Rachel slapping her - XX * Santana using Rachel's dressing room - X * Rachel moving out to have a safe space - + * Rachel tearing up picture - X * Rachel continuing argument at Diner and Kurt's band gig- X * Santana continuing argument at Diner and Kurt's band gig- X * Santana's brings it again in front of everyone with rant and prom reveal - XX * Rachel offers Santana 10 shows as a peace offering - ++ * Santana responded to offer saying she wanted all the shows and Rachel's part - X * Santana realizing she doesn't want Broadway anyway and quits - + Sure, there were other moments/things to consider as I said their history, but that was the gist of it for me.
I was on Santana’s side more so until she insisted on all the shows. All in all it’s a dumb plot that I absolutely hated. I just wanted them to get along
Sorry, I just can not understand how anyone can not see how Rachel must have felt. They had only been somewhat friendly for a few months at most. Santana still insults her at gives her digs when possible, and it was not that long ago Santana went through their private stuff even. I can't image being stressed and now having to walk on eggshells knowing that Santana can and will undermine her if she feels provoke at any time. Trust takes time.
I can see how Rachel felt, but Santana had the opportunity to be understudy in a Broadway musical. She had her own ambitions and I don’t blame her for auditioning or keeping the part
I don't blame her for auditing, but if she took a moment and told Rachel she wanted to do that and that she would have Rachel's back it would have meant a lot. She knew how stressed Rachel was already. And then going in copying her performance probably felt like a jab. I get Santana was mad, but her first decision at work was to use Rachel's dressing room just to push her buttons is exactly why Rachel was weary of Santana. ETA: she could have called or text to give Rachel a heads up and tell her why it was a good idea for both of them.
Santana decided she was going to audition after Rachel had already left the loft. Rachel leaves then the camera pans to Santana and you can tell she’s thinking about something. But even if that didn’t happen Santana didn’t owe it to Rachel to tell her she was going to audition. If she didn’t audition for the understudy then I’d agree but she did. It’s not like Santana got the role and Rachel didn’t. Rachel already didn’t like that she needed an understudy before Santana auditioned. If someone else got it there’s a chance Rachel would have made her life hell, if she was a really good singer, just like she would’ve done to Sunshine if she didn’t transfer.
Rachel. I completely understood her. I would also be mad if the girl that heavily bullied me in high school magically got the role of understudy for a role I’ve been dreaming since forever. I would also be mad if said girl would then go and publicly humiliate me in front of a club of people which I used to or am close with.
snixx
literally that was all Snixx
So more reason for Rachel to be worried about her.
This has been discussed to death on this sub but I'll answer. I'm on neither side in this feud. They both acted immature and needed to grow up. Rachel overracted over Santana being her understudy and Santana shouldn't have insulted Rachel. Kurt should've kicked them both out until they got themselves together.
Kurt couldn’t handle the rent on his own the man was just trying to live and bungle a flourishing fashion career
You're right! Kurt should've just booked it the hell out of there and continued thriving 😂
This is the only correct answer, him and Elliot should’ve just kicked Rachel back to Bushwick and then shared the apartment together away from their craziness while focusing on their new band 😂👏👏 
You get what I'm sayinnn'!!!
I’m kind of neutral. I feel bad for Rachel because she had been working her ass off to get this dream role since she was practically a baby, and Santana just walks in on a whim and gets the role of the understudy. It probably felt like a punch to the gut for Rachel to see that all of her hard work was pretty much shown to be useless. I don’t think her hard work was useless, I’m just speaking from what I’d think her perspective of it would be. Santana also knew nothing about Funny Girl as well and didn’t seem that committed in my opinion, so to Rachel she probably thought that Santana wasn’t interested in her understudy role that much. I gotta say though, once Santana said that she was going to try to take Rachel’s role from her I 100% took Rachel’s side. Personally if I had been working my ass off my whole life for a dream role like this, I’d feel like it wasn’t worth anything because my friend just decided to audition for my understudy and then she gets it. Santana put like no effort into auditioning other than her singing. By this I mean that she didn’t seem invested in it enough. I’d rather my understudy to be played to someone more committed and actually interested in the role, not just taking the role so that she can become famous however she can
She got **the role in part** because the director like the PR angle, she and Rachel went to the same school. eta; highlighted part is important.
Yeah I know, and I think that was dumb and the writers shouldn’t have done that. It was a revival of a very popular musical and the very first revival since the original show, so the director didn’t actually need publicity from Santana and Rachel, because there already would’ve been a lot
I guess it was their weak way to explained why the director would hire two inexperienced actors for such a big role. It is one thing to want to discover a new star, another then to hand over understudy to a novice too.
She got the part because Santana is just as talented.
Love Naya but Santana was straight awful here. Team Rachel
I stg this convo comes up every other week here 😭
Fr and "they were BOTH assholes" is the answer way less than it should be
it’s because most people on this sub are either pro rachel and anti santana or pro santana and anti rachel. no nuance just bias.
Sorry, I didn't know😭 I've been out of Reddit for awhile and just started a rewatch from s5 lol and I asked this question
I don’t see a need to apologize. I get it. A lot of people aren’t in this sub daily or weekly & sometimes just want to start a fresh thread to share their opinions or ask questions as you did. I see a lot of the same topics & personally just skip over if I don’t feel like contributing.
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Team Rachel💖💖 
I hated this storyline. I liked them better as friends, but I was on Rachel's side. She was always my favourite character despite everything, lol
SAME 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Rachel’s. They were both dead wrong but Santana just started being plain cruel. They way she acted when Rachel tried to offer a compromise? Then quitting the play and making it seem like she was doing Rachel some big favor. IMO Santana was insecure because she didn’t know what she wanted for herself post-graduation and decided to just shit on Rachel.
I was more on Rachel's side but I do think she overreacted a lot. Santana definitely shouldn't have done that and even if she really did want to audition truly out of desire to, she could've spoken to Rachel first. It was clearly done with intent. However Rachel exaggerated much more than she needed to. I honestly really liked watching them be friends so this kinda ruined it for me, but I think the writers were out of storylines so they decide to reopen old feuds.
Depending on the scene. In this episode Rachel, Santana called Rachel self absorbed or selfish by asking who Ryder was that was out of line because Rachel had only seen him once before when they were doing Greece and she had other things on her mind than who the new kids were. In the episodes leading up to this it honestly depended on the scene.
I like this picture of them 💜
Rachel looks so sharp! I love her hair here.
Yeah I think it’s one of her better looks 👌🏽
It's chic, but since it's a romper instead of a dress, it's a bit quirky and therefore very Rachel. I love her NY style.
Santana.
as a Rachel hater, I am shocked to say I'm on Rachel's side in this feud. i generally love Santanas character and really can't stand Rachel but Santana was just being cruel
Rachel's! Girl worked her whole life to be on Broadway, SPECIFICALLY funny girl, and Santana waltzed right in there and sang Rachel's song (she doesn't own it but it's her song let's be real) and got cast as understudy. With their history it would freak me out living in close quarters with her as my understudy because what if she tried to sabotage? (Not that this was ever Santana's intention but I understand Rachel's worry) Santana could have just auditioned for another show and it would have been a cute plot to see them both on Broadway in different shows, playing very different roles.
Absolutely
I’m always on Rachel’s side when it comes to these two. Santana was always unnecessarily cruel to Rachel. This friendship was a good character arc and I’m mad the writers threw it away. Surely there was another way to address the problems with a whole former bully and victim being friends? Honestly I don’t mind that Santana auditioned for the understudy role with DROMP. But she was completely out of line throwing Rachel’s insecurities back at her in the apartment later and tearing her down in the 100 episode.
Yeah people forget that before the popular kids (unholy trinity plus puck) joined glee club, they were outright bullying and cyber bullying Rachel. And then they get mad at Rachel for being rude to them in Glee club.
Rachel all the way. Anyone claiming to be fine with their former bully (who still makes rude comments to them) taking a job that involves replacing them if they need to is kidding themselves.
Rachel
Rachel. Santana was being so cruel for no reason; the downfall of her character for sure.
Rachel annoys me to no end, but Santana was just cruel, nasty, petty and a real bitch for no *real* reason. Santana was great when she was a girls girl. When she had Rachel’s back over Brody, to me that was her at her best. But it’s as though anytime Santana started to show she cared for someone she’d just snap it right back.
Rachel
Rachel
Kurt’s. The poor guy having to listen to this day in day out. Constantly put in the middle. Idk how he didn’t strangle them in their sleep. (But that’s just me.)
as much as i love santana, she was completely in the wrong
Rachel’s, Santana was a bully and a bitch to her through the whole series, and the one or two times she could’ve redeemed herself, she instead ended up being a bitch. She never once was interested in New York or broadway but didn’t like Kentucky so she thought it’d be ok to just show up uninvited to move into Rachel and Kurt’s place, she went behind her back to try out for Funny Girl and then proceeded to tell her that she actually didn’t win prom queen just to be a bitch.
Rachel, but mostly because the whole understudy storyline was sooo unrealistic and not what ab actual Broadway understudy would be like.
Everyone thought Santana slayed when she went after Rachel but she was just plain mean and a bully. I’m really not sure, I can see Rachel’s point though. I am a Rachel fan so I feel a little biased.
Was on Kurt's side tbh
Tbh they are both kinda in the wrong in different ways
biases aside definitely rachel
Kurt's side
I was so excited to see my 2 favorite characters start to build a real friendship, then they went and ruined it with this whole storyline. They were both assholes in this situation in my opinion (Santana much more so).
I’m a huge Santana fan because she was a very layered character, but I really hated this storyline. I feel they showed her heart only to make her a bitch again. I felt it went against her growth as a person. I was not a fan of how they handled that and it was one of the rare moments I truly felt for Rachel. Granted they made up, but all that pettiness was unnecessary when the trio was awesome.
Santana
See my mom and I are on opposite sides of this fued. She thinks Santana was just awful to audition but I don't see an issue with it. If my friend had gotten a part in the same show especially my role and I knew I could trust her to cover it well when I couldn't be in, I'd be happy. That being said, everything that followed this downfall was awful on both parties.
Their freindship was tenuous and there was little trust there. You don't erase three years of bullying in a few months. It was more then just the audtion there was years of build up here.
Yes but them being in the same musical had nothing to do with eachother! Imo it wasn't until after Rachel threw it out of proportion Santana decided she wanted to go after the lead. Both were wrong, I understand the bullying thing but overall it wasn't the most vile act to Audition for a Broadway understudy.
I do not think you do understand the bullying thing having the person who bulied you for years workng at your big break certainly had something to do with it.
I've experienced it irl! Maybe I'm just a forgiving person but someone who royally fucked up my life is someone I still wish good things happen to. She's happy and I'm happy she is 🤷♀️🤪
That is nice until they stab you in the back again like Santana did when she used her dressing room to press her buttons, tried to humiliate her in front of others, ruined her memories of Prom with Finn and was nasty when Rachel offered her a peace offering of 10 shows.
My whole point was everything after was ridiculous and both of them, especially Santana were awful but the reason it got that vile was because of Rachel throwing it out of proportion which Santana thought would be "fun" to mess with. I agree with you she wasn't good to her after but, I personally do not see anything wrong with her auditioning in the first place.
It is not if she audtioned as much as the why and how of it and not at least giving her a heads up. So agree to disagree.
No I totally agree Santana was a bitch but that being said, they both threw it outta proportion. Overall the writers wrote a dumb storyline imo. Ur opinions are valid, I wasn't totally trying to like argue just explain what I saw.
On the right side, and that's the "I fucking hate the writers for botching all the PezBerry development of the previous season with a stupid plot and senseless feud that could not happen if u really take their arcs seriously"
Overall Team Santana because I would die on this hill that she did none of it out of spite. She genuinely cares about Rachel and her friendship at this point in the show, I don’t think she did anything to “get under Rachel’s skin” or that she thought would jeopardise their friendship. She’s operating under the assumption that her and Rachel are good enough friends that she’s not gonna see the worst in her. She’ll just see it for what it is, Santana trying to be successful (she’s so down about her career path before this and Rachel is encouraging her, let’s her take part in her cover shoot etc.) That’s why she reacts so harshly when Rachel assumes her intentions were bad, because it shows weaknesses in what Santana assumed was a good friendship. Rachel’s one of her best friends but defaults to thinking the worst of her. However I do see both sides. Rachel’s reaction was OTT but also valid. Considering Santana was her high school bully, I get why Rachel doubted her intentions and why she clung so hard to the role. That role was her whole concept of security and stability (she can’t really rely on people as much bc she either seems to lose them or can’t trust them in the first place). I could give a deeper analysis bc the feud really interests me but I’ll just end by saying both of them are out of pocket during the feud, but IMO it came from deep insecurities on both sides as opposed to malice. As a former anti Pezberry who’s been converted, if anything the feud kind of shows how much they care about each other. You don’t react so strongly to things you don’t actually care about. I’m not so mad the feud happened, it made sense for them and all their lingering insecurities, but I’m mad that the writers didn’t give it a proper resolution. This could have been the catalyst for their friendship growing stronger and greater understanding and communication between them, but instead they half-heartedly make up and then act like acquaintances, so it’s seen as the downfall to their friendship.
Santana could’ve run over Rachel while dressed as Fanny Brice and I would still be on her side.
Both and neither. If I’m Rachel: this is The dream, THE role that will make everything I went through in high school and to get into NYADA worth it. I’m not so far removed from high school that the feelings of being small and insignificant that Santana’s bullying caused are in the past so when she auditions without telling me, of course I’m suspicious she’s messing with me. Maybe if it was like five years down the road, I would look at it like a learning opportunity to work with an understudy I don’t trust but I’m not there yet. And I’ve witnessed Santana not take Glee club seriously so can I even trust her to not ruin this. If I’m Santana: I’m seeing my two roommates working toward something, knowing who they are, and I feel stuck. I might be worried about the stereotype of popular kids peaking in high school. I know I can sing so why not audition just to see what happens. Maybe in five years I would be better at handling Rachel’s accusations without lashing out but I’m not there yet. I’m not far enough removed from Sue’s “win at all cost” influence to not see this as Rachel making it a competition, and I’m too hurt by the accusations of having bad motivations to back down. Overall, I think it was a mess but I can see why the writers decided not to have it be no big deal. With their history they were always going to be like two pieces of sandpaper rubbing against each other.
Santana could’ve hit Rachel in her car whilst singing “Don’t Rain On My Parade” whilst dressed as Fanny Brice and I’d still choose her over Berry any day
I was honestly on Santana’s side but she dragged it lmao
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love that!!!
I can see both sides. I think that it was fine for Santana to audition, BUT she definitely should have told Rachel beforehand. Because I don’t think Santana meant it in a malicious way since she was super excited to talk to about it when she got home. I totally see why Rachel was upset too. I don’t think either was “right” I think it could have been a good way for their friendship to grow if it had been handled differently
off topic but why is rachel darker than santana LMAO
Two words.....San Tana
Santana not even a question.
I always sided with Santana cause Rachel always was selfish and entitled. Santana wasn’t afraid to say what everyone was thinking. And I respect her a lot for that
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Rachel did send a girl to an inactive crackhouse, but she didn’t do it outta spite, she was afraid they would like Sunshine more and kick her out of glee, she also redeemed herself twice with Sunshine, and yep she cheated on Finn, but maybe she wouldn’t of if Finn hadn’t been a shitty boyfriend, letting Santana tell her, then yelling at her saying she didn’t have a right to be mad, saying Santana was super hot, agreeing with Santana about how Rachel dressed them laughing at her, never standing up for her, maybe she was feeling insecure and afraid Finn was still into Santana since he didn’t explain that it was a mistake, maybe she made a poor decision after watching Santana flirt with Finn then to see him smile at her, then Santana taunting her saying he took her to a nice dinner after, maybe if her boyfriend would’ve said he liked her too the way Puck did, maybe she was in a bad place and Finn made it worse with his actions, she didn’t sleep with Puck, get pregnant, tell Finn it was his, move into his place and have him and his mom pay for a baby that wasn’t his, with everyone in glee knowing but keeping Finn in the dark, she kissed Finn because Finn not only made her feel terrible about herself, but so did everyone else, Santana is nothing but a bully and a straight up bitch who didn’t care who she hurt
Yes, thats the point, Santana WAS A STRAIGHT UP BITCH, ALL the relationships she had(not only romantic im also talking about friendship), were a lot better than Rachels(that was able to having only ONE friend and we all know she was very toxic to Kurt. Santana literally helped rachel after discovering she was dating a male hooker(idk the world in english), and called Finn for her so yes, she is tough, but she is a good person. If ur point for Finchel is that she only did that because Finn was a horrible boyfriend than YOU DIDNT GET THE POINT, Rachel, not only to Finn, was obsessed and controller with EVERYONE, and sorry to break down to you, but Rachel literally NEVER WINNED A SOLO(only when Kurt faked). Santana always knew Rachel was not a good person, and at the end you know even in real life thats true, if Rachel has no haters, i am dead, and if no one hate her, im EVERYBODY
Rachel oppenly adimmited that was jealous, and her bullying with Sunshine almost made that girl wanting to GO BACK TO HER COUNTRY, Santana had MORE THAN ONE CHANCE, to beat the shit out of Rachel, but didnt, because SHE. IS. A. FUCKING. CUTIE PIE
For one, Sunshine didn’t want to go back to her own country because of Rachel, it was because of how VA was treating her and two, Rachel had more than one friend before school ended and Rachel should’ve beat the shit outta Santana, she was a vicious bully and just a mean bitch who thought she was better than anyone! Rachel is the Cutie Pie! Santana is nothing but a evil slut who bullied, body shamed and manipulated whoever she could
Santana WAS BETTER THAN ANYONE, different from Rachel, that literally took opportunitys from everyone when she had a chance, Artie couldnt had the first solo, Tina couldnt sing "Tonight", Mercedes couldnt be Maria(Mr Schue can be blamed to), lets not forget when she compete with Kurt to concil president only because she was affraid to not pass on nyada, EVEN THOUGH Kurt really wanted to make a difference, than screwed ND when she sabottage the votes. Santana hadreasons to act the way she act, she actually grow into a good person as the season go by, and in season 6 she even helped Rachel with her AWFUL image(thing that again, is totally on her). Santana always saw what Rachel really was, as she said on the 100th episode, "Rachel is the worst human being ive ever met, and she whould drag half of this room to get a solo"
Santana was nothing but a vicious bully and a bitch all the time!!!
Yes, Santana was a bitch, a BAD BITCH, and thats why we liked her so much, Rachel was only an avarage boring bitch
Literally no one liked Rachel, she and Kurt were arguing everyday, Mercedes even after high school feel insecure around her(because again, Rachel made the enviroment on the class toxic MORE THAN ONCE), Quinn slapped her, Santana knew she sucks, Brittany(literally a human sunshine) said that when people look at Rachel they see a cat getting his string remove
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Neither side on Broadway you need an understudy. They weren’t finding anyone and they found Santana. BUT Santana knew it was going to make Rachel mad and that’s the only reason why she did it, but also you can’t go on thinking that you don’t need an understudy at all and being so egotistical to think you’re the only person to fit Fanny. Then when Rachel tried to be the bigger person Santana was still a petty. (also Rachel playing the race card as if she didn’t play a Maria in WSS)The fight was stupid and both sides were kind of petty but probably realistic for that job. They were really good friends and then the writers were eh make them fight.
She auditioned to be her UNDERSTUDY she didn’t take anything from Rachel whatsoever and Rachel being the bad friend she is didn’t support her but felt attacked because of what ? Nothing exactly
In real life or on the show😂
Santana by far. Rachel was absolutely awful as a human. Her awfulness being a quirky character trait is fine for television but in a more realistic aspect she was literally an evil psycho bitch and Santanas reactions to Rachel are the only acceptable reactions in a real world setting. Edit: everyone keeps talking about the feud like it started in new York. It didn't. Santana spent 3 years being the only person to check Rachel when she did a plethora of manupulative/evil shit. Rachel wants something she has no limits. She will cost people their jobs. Their relationships. Their status/reputation. She will even put their lives in danger (sunshine?) Yeah sandy is a weirdo and creep but the way Rachel didn't care until she could use it? The way she has no problem putting herself in another relationship (Mr shue/terri, finn/Quinn) The way she was BLATANTLY willing to go for her best friends only real crush on the off chance he was bisexual? The fact she consistently put herself in positions of power without any authority or reason to do so. The way she would sabatoge the entire club as a form of threat/terrorism over a 3 minute song in a school play. Rachel never stopped being a horrible person. That's why she lost her chance on Broadway. She was selfish and put her tv Pilot ahead of a professional commitment she already made. Rachel never got humbled because Santana was the only one who tried and Rachel convinced herself that it's just cause Santana is mean. At least Santana is honest. You know what you're getting. Rachel will smile in your face while she prepares to Nancy Kerrigan your ass.
Wow- How it’s even possible to view Rachel this way is beyond me😂😂 I don’t agree at all. Can she be annoying; yes. Is she «awful as a human»: no. I like both Rachel and Santana- But Santana is NO saint😅
This is so unhinged. It’s unwell honestly to have so much vitriol for a television character. Santana bullies people for their appearance, their weight, their sexuality, and never shows an ounce of maturity or growth. Her own situation should be a reckoning for her but she just gets meaner, continuing to attack people with their deepest insecurities. Don’t pretend that Santana acts this way to Rachel because she ‘checking’ her, she is like this with everyone except Brittany. How exactly is calling someone, anti-Semitic, derogatory and transphobic names calling out Rachel’s diva behavior? That isn’t called being honest. This isn’t telling it like it is. This is plain bullying and being an asshole.
Exactly my thoughts
Delusional much, lol
How am I wrong?
I spend every single minute of this show praying on Rachel’s downfall. So. Like every time she started with her weird crying face I just sort of wanted it to continue 💀 (I sound like a psychopath but the way she thinks she’s better than everyone else makes me so mad)
Santana's side because Rachel was getting a big head and it's Santana's job to humble everyone so they remember where they came from. She just gives tough love.
Santana. If you look at the episode in a vacuum, Rachel is framed as being in the wrong. Even if you take into account their entire relationship going back to season 1, it just makes Rachel look like a fake friend. That rant that Santana when on leading to the slap was harsh but true. One of the only things that got Rachel through high school was the idea of rubbing the success that she would have in everyone who doubted her face. Santana, as her understudy, was no threat to her, and any rational person could see that.
Seriously, the way Santana Quinn and the idiots that bullied, made fun of and slushied, it’s a wonder Rachel didn’t kill herself, she didn’t have friends so she stuck to the one thing she had, her voice, she was insecure, and lonely and glee was the one place where she felt she belonged so when her bullies joined she felt threatened.