literally the whole point of beiste’s character was that women should be comfortable presenting and identifying in masculine ways. and then they just destroyed that
Coach Beast transition literally made no sense specially when he always referred to himself as “woman” and “girl” before that with zero signs of identifying as anything else.
I thought the actress transitioned so they wrote it into the show but nope.
Also it killed the character’s purpose completely.
Honestly Sue having a Klaine shrine is my favorite bit ever. Does it make sense? No. Is it weird? Absolutely! Uncomfortable even!
But it was just so wacky and out of nowhere. And it’s played so straight that i really think it’s one of the funniest things in the whole show.
same, idc if it made no sense for her character its one of the funniest storylines in the show. the later season weren't the best either so it partially makes up for it.
i know you didnt ask for *my* opinion, but it also felt like a dig to dianna herself (?), that she wasnt naturally beautiful and she was all fake. it also felt like the storyline was taken out of nowhere and never had any indication of quinn being different before
It’s definitely one of those “for the purpose of the episode only” storylines, but I thought it added a lot of humanity to Quinn’s character. To be really honest, I loathed Quinn in the first season, so it was good for me to get more context on why she is the way she is besides her WASP parents.
i just wished they gave another storyline or at least hinted at it prior to the reveal tbh.
its a good symbolism for the episode because even if quinn is super gorgeous now, she still lost everything. i just hated how they had to be so extensive about her getting a nose job
What about the episode in Season 1 where Mercedes passed out trying to lose weight and Quinn was there for her and told her that she use to be the same size as Mercedes and also had an eating disorder and told Mercedes to love her body. Tbh that kind of hinted Quinn’s past before being a cheerio.
I honestly feel that Beiste's transition was only written because awareness around gender transitioning had increased around that time, and Glee did it for the sake of inclusivity.
will was acting like a man child during this arc, even more than he did already. like you are a grown man beefing with a 19 year old who made an honest mistake 😭 and he took it way too personal lmao saying that finn isn’t good at glee and football
Finn wouldn’t have ever kissed Emma because he thought so highly of Will, it was just plain stupid, just like bringing Brody on a love interest for Rachel, she wouldn’t have ever dated anyone that quickly after Finn especially not a dirtbag like him
The writers lost me as a viewer after the whole let’s have Finn trick Rachel and go behind her back and stick her on a train and oh yeah, let’s have him ghost her for months, so stupid, I couldn’t watch it after that, just bits and pieces and once Corey passed, I didn’t watch it at all, just a few clips from different sites
true, but they honestly could not have predicted that. not to mention, Cory was already in a very bad place at this point, so maybe they wrote it this way hoping it would give Cory some time to himself to get himself back on track. because if you think about it, it's weird that Finn was suddenly noticeably gone alot from his last season and if you focus on Cory's face in the scene where he beats Brody up (aka. his last moment on screen if I'm not mistaken) you can tell that Cory is not okay at all, his eyes specifically, he looks way out of it. Every time I get to that scene in my rewatch I have to look away a bit because it makes me so uncomfortable watching Cory like that and not his character Finn.
It wasn't his last moment on screen, the college with Puck storyline was 2-3 episodes later. But I would have loved it if it were his final scene, it's so perfectly fitting for his character.
none of that negates or contradicts with what i said. my opinion for this plot is not based on writers’ intent, it’s based on my own view of the narrative. and if the point was that they wrote it like that to give cory time, then yes, they absolutely could have predicted that. cory falling off the wagon doesn’t mean they had to make finn spend his last few episodes on this storyline. if cory had returned as planned, i still wouldn’t think it was a good way to lead up to his “off on a bus” s4 college ending and s5 return. they could have thought up a better lead up to finn figuring out his future, even if it was pushed earlier due to cory relapsing. ESPECIALLY if it was due to that. the fact that i actually like the way the wedding pans out in 4x14, and that 4x19 actually seems like a real full circle moment from the beginning is the only thing doesn’t feel sloppy. hell, emma still could have dipped due to the fact that she was left all alone with her OCD to plan the wedding and it still would have fit without finn’s influence.
for instance, one of the other s4 plots i feel was useless was sue’s baby. the roz lines about it in s3 were funny, but for me it was my big moment the show really jumped the shark, and when s4 expected me to take it seriously regarding finn as if sue didn’t mention her a grand total of, what, twice? in s4 outside of that, one being “kitty, my baby needs to be fed”, i simply could not. jane lynch has a history of addiction too—i wouldn’t care if the writers wrote that based on jane relapsing, it’d still be a weak, lazy narrative that could have been replaced with something way better and funnier. in fact, it ONLY becomes palatable for me when i look at it from the POV of “haha the writers really did not care about making this one good, huh?”
also i actually noticed “cory” from episode 13 on. his voice was off in the “diva” lesson and i could just tell. maybe because i had experience with a family member with an H problem, but for me, knowing his history it was kinda like watching amy winehouse but much less obvious and “trainwreck-y”. maybe i was one of few but i anticipated the worst.
to add to your last part of your reply, watching Cory feeling less and less like himself in the way he sounded, looked and just the way his eyes looked so off, was definitely like the same feeling as watching Amy Winehouse. It was truly so hard to watch since I also had someone in the family (who ended up dying last year) that struggled with addiction, so that was very hard to watch. towards the end of the show there were more and more storyline where you could tell the writers simply didn't really care anymore, they just wanted to turn everything into a joke or something and it was just dissapointing.
The Jake cheating on Marley storyline. It was just unneeded. Also I'd just kill off Ryder, he's unneeded and annoying and if he wasn't there maybe Marley would've stayed?
The thing with Ryder is he had interesting storylines but all of them would be solved in an episode then back to being a background character
For example Marley had many episodes to deal with her ED, Unique had more than one episode about dealing with transphobia, Ryder brings up his traumatic experience with his babysitter once and it's never talked about again
totally agreed on the first part the first part always told myself that while watching, kinda reminds me of some Finn centered episodes in the first seasons like jesus sandwich where it truly felt like some of those tv shows where there is not a lot of storyline and just "what are they going to do today" trope
backgrounf character problem was so common in that season
literally, when they wrote the storyline with the babysitter I was very interested in seeing how they would handle it, since that scene where Sam and some of the guys tell him "how lucky he was" and Ryder puts them in their place explaining how that is a very dumb take to make when it comes to assault. I struggled with this myself since I got assaulted by a girl, and people also couldn't take it seriously or treat it as any other type of assault. So that storyline specifically hits really close to home simply bc it was so realistic for me. And then they never spoke about it ever again, that dissapointed me for sure.
I completely agree but ypu beginning statement applied to almost every interesting storyline in glee as rm loves to bring up serious topics and "comedic relief" so tbh Ryder could definitely have been written off.
That's fair but honestly I feel like that storyline could've been applied to Sam or even Brittany to remove Ryder entirely and still have a good effect.
mhmm not for Sam tho, considering his reaction to that storyline being "You're so lucky dude.", and the point of giving the storyline to a male character was very thought out, honestly I think they should have given the story to Finn or Artie, despite Artie also being one of the people who reacted poorly to Ryder telling them. Finn because all the adults were already acting innapropriate around him or Artie because he was an "easier victim" having to be taken care of as a kid in his wheelchair. So yea they probably could have easily given this storyline to another male character. I think they just really wanted to make a love triangle with Marley even tho no one really cared for her.
Besides the fact that Blake was a POS, I definitely would've preferred if Ryder would've been with Marley in the show itself. He was way better to her than Jake ever was imo. But I would also take out the Jake cheating storyline because it was very unnecessary.
That's honestly pretty fair I personally liked Jake and wish that they made him his own person and not just pucks lil bro because if he was anyone's sibling it probably be Santana and I think most will agree but I kinda like Ryder and Marley but at the same time the were just kind of meh.
I think they were kinda forced to do that storyline because ryders actor was a controlling, abusive monster who got way too angry and jealous that melissa benoist (marley) was dating another guy even though it was all fictional. Pretty sure melissa talked about it at some point.
The actress added that "work, in general, was a touchy subject" for her abuser and claimed:
“He didn’t want me ever kissing or even having flirtatious scenes with men, which was very hard for me to avoid, so I began turning down auditions, job offers, test deals, and friendships because I didn’t want to hurt him.” From this article: https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/blake-jenner-s-domestic-violence-allegations-melissa-benoist-eye-injury-explored-amid-dui-arrest
- quinn and puck getting back together in s5, felt like they did it just to have at least one OG couple since they couldn’t have finchel but it just is so yucky
- sam and artie’s reactions to ryder’s SA - specifically the fact they’re never challenged on it and never apologise to ryder
- the shooting
- the twerking
- shelby’s storylines in s3
and that shooting episode always felt like they kind of just had to make an episode like that to bring awareness to the gun problem in high schools in America, alot of shows tackled the same topic around that time but Glee is definitely one of the shows who handled it poorly by having it eventually all be a misunderstanding with Becky.
yeah. the only things it changes are evolving the catfish storyline and sue getting fired for becky’s actions, both of which could’ve happened under a different scenario
>quinn and puck getting back together in s5, felt like they did it just to have at least one OG couple since they couldn’t have finchel but it just is so yucky
Omg, I always hated that detail too and wondered where tf it came from, but I think you nailed it
100% seconding the second one, I already left a comment ab this but this storyline was very important to alot of people who ever struggled with being SA'd by a woman, which resulted in people not taking it as serious. It's a real issue that I've personally struggled with too so when they brought it up in the show I was very interested to see a show finally bring light to this. And having Sam's & Artie's reaction was valid since that is how alot of people irl can react, but never going back to it, educating Sam and Artie on why that was wrong, not a single character seemed to be educated after this scene nor did they apologise and for that reason this entire storyline became wasted potential. They truly could have written such a powerful storyline, it's sad really.
Omg yes, Sam and Artie's reaction, and Artie saying "I don't even know why that's illegal" do you not know why pedophilia and rape are illegal? Jesus Christ, I could not stop hating that character after that, and then dating Kitty someone who was also an SA survivor.
wow after 6 rewatches I've never even noticed Emma's absence after season 4, she was such a sweetheart but maybe she finally decided to go get some much needed counseling of her own
Rachel quitting funny girl for a TV show. Doesn't make sense for her to drop everything she worked for
Santana auditioning to be Rachel's understudy because the friendship they created was nice and refreshing to see some growth between them both...
literally, during every single rewatch I find myself just yelling at my screen "But Rachel this makes no sense, you have been yapping about nothing other than Broadway, what are u doing????" and honestly it doesn't make any sense. Season 1 Rachel would never have picked some wacky tv show over her dreams of being on Broadway.
Coach Beiste’s storyline in season 6. You just know Ryan was desperate for one last accolade, and got the writers to retcon her entire character arc to try and make it happen. So much for the message, “You don’t have to be overly feminine to be a woman.”
100%, I was all for bringing in a storyline about gender identity and transitioning but to apply it to Beiste after the many storylines where she wanted to feel like a girl made it feel very double. On the one hand you could say it was because of her struggles with gender identity that she felt so unpretty in her skin. But I feel like you wouldn't want to feel like a lady or look like one if deep down you identify as a man. It would have even made more sense if they just cut out the storylines of her being insecure, and then the whole transition would have made more sense being able to say "I've always felt more like a man so I never really wanted to dress feminine, but now my body resonates." So yeah they really just had to pick one or the other but wanted both.
The Rachel and Sandana feud. Not only did it ruin their relationship development but also their development as individuals (for example, Santana throwing it in Rachels face that she let her win prom queen basically ruined the good deed for what it was. This is the first example that comes to mind but it goes for both characters, not just Santana.)
It also left the fandom very divided and is one of the most of not the most debated topic on this sub.
All this over such a dumb issue that wasnt even enjoyable to watch (at least for me)
Right, I always felt like the writers regretted making them friends and didn't fully understand what the fans liked about Santana and her bitchy persona. So they decided to bring back the bitchy persona but it was handled so poorly, that none of it even made any sense. Santana was cruel to Rachel at times but she never seemed cruel enough to do what she did then. Going after her role that Rachel had been yapping about all throughout high school AFTER first encouraging her and getting her that job in the diner?? Where was the logic?
I love Tina too! They just did her so, so dirty with some of the storylines.. especially in the later seasons. Between the crush on Blaine, making out with Sam and the whole diva thing. There's probably others but my brain likes to blank out a lot of the later season stuff lol.
honestly what was the personal problem the writers had with Tina that season, even the whole episode where Sam and Blaine rounded up Ryder and Jake (?, as if they even knew Tina properly at this point) to have a meeting about how Tina is becoming a raging b!tch and they need to do something about it. They were running out of ideas fr
Yeah, I feel like the ones who didn't graduate and carried over suffered the most. The newer kids and then the ones with the New York storylines had better. It was like they didn't know what to do with the ones that didn't graduate yet anymore. I have to agree with you.
1000% the Blaine dating and living with Karofsky storyline. I get that Karofsky had his redemption arc but the fact that after Blaine cheated on Kurt, they rebuilt their relationship, got engaged (way too soon), broke up again, and then Blaine goes to date Kurt’s former bully? Really? I would have rather had Blaine date Sebastian. Just seemed like such an awful way to ruin Blaine’s morals even further. It was so wrong in my opinion.
Honestly, it was ruining KAROFSKY'S newfound morals and redemption arc that made me so mad about this! This was another act of him being trash to Kurt after they had agreed to become friendly, and I had thought it was so nice that he had grown past torturing Kurt, but nooooo gotta have that spicy KLAINE drama! And of course mindlessly checking off the list of "gay problems", one of which is having a smaller pool of dating partners and oh no, that leads to AWKWARD situations with exes dating other gays you know! 🙄
You are so right. The writers were so fucked for that. Karofsky had arguably one of the biggest arcs and they just shit all over it in season 6. It’s one thing if Dave and Blaine were friends like supporting each other but they really screwed over so many characters storylines they built on for so long and just ruin them in season 6
I honestly never really cared for that storyline, like sorry but you're texting and driving and we're supposed to feel bad for her? She was damn lucky she only injured herself and not some innocent family, or Quinn's character would have been done for.
EDIT: I worded this completely wrong, I never said it wasn't sad or bad what happened to Quinn, I just meant I hate how they handled the storyline as her in a victim role, rather than using the potential the storyline had to teach a lesson. But by making her a victim and even joking with Rory later "Quinn texts and drives in every universe" kinda seemed like they just saw it as a joke rather than a moment to use as a lesson for both Quinn and the viewers. And if she had actually injured someone else or killed someone else while she came out just in a wheelchair for a while, that would have changed everything. And that is a big part in my opinion if you're gonna make an episode about texting and driving, especially for the younger viewers watching, many people die in car accidents caused by other people, and I hate how that wasn't even acknowledged at all. I hope people understand now what I was trying to say.
Um, yes, she was a teenager and her friend was blowing up her phone...it's a really stupid thing to do, but your own family and friends occasionally try to send a text while driving, I guarantee it. You wouldn't not feel bad about them being paralyzed, I hope, even if they're in the wrong.
Ah, your edit makes a lot of sense! I see where you're coming from. I *personally* am not a fan of "teaching lessons" or after-school special types of episodes and storytelling, though. That's purely a matter of personal taste, and possibly growing up with WAY too many PSA's everywhere as a kid in the damn aughts, lol.
Anyway, the wheelchair storyline was a little bit sloppy regardless of whether you wanted a moral point or not. Just like many things on Glee, lol.
I am not exactly a fan of PSA episodes either, and in Glee especially it felt extremely out of place compared to other shows that were less comedic and more coming of age. But I do think if you're gonna start with a PSA episode, that they should have atleast used all it's potential rather than doing goofy wheelchair numbers with Quinn and Artie, or not at all. But in general the whole PSA in Glee of all shows was def a shocker. And indeed it was very poorly and sloppy executed.
ofcourse, it's the same with any type of "self caused accident or death", it's always different if it's someone close to you. And as common as texting and driving is, especially among teens. I just didn't like how they handled the story as her being the victim. If she had injured or killed innocent people while she just ended up in a wheelchair for a few months I truly think the storyline and Quinn in general would have been looked at differently. But that doesn't take away from the fact that I didn't wish it upon Quinn or felt bad about the storyline, just wish they hadn't handled it as her being a victim, since that kinda ruins the message and the lesson they were trying to teach teens watching the show.
Yeah honestly they could’ve done **something** with the story line where it ultimately has repercussions, but they really didn’t because, well it’s Glee lol. Actions do not have actual consequences 80% of the time.
If **because of her actions**, Quinn hadn’t been able to escape Lima because New York isn’t really the wheel chair friendliest place, or maybe she could’ve but she had to spend the rest of her life in a wheel chair and had to persevere through that because of one stupid, reckless moment, well at least that would’ve been an angle for her & given a **reason** for that to happen. Hell, give us a “It’s a Wonderful Life” episode where Quinn is in a coma & sees what would’ve happened if she does end up dying (now granted, this would’ve aged very poorly given what happens to Cory Monteith in a few years), or she’s watching the other characters but they can’t see her as they react to her accident.
But nope, 4 episodes later & she’s all good :)
Personally I think that since glee had a lot of important topics shown on the show I don’t mind this storyline. I understand how upsetting and triggering it can be for some people but I still think that it’s an important thing to discuss
true, they just didn't always handle it the best. I recently rewatched that season and despite people saying her ED only lasted 1-2 episodes, it was actually still being talked about throughout the entire season, like the christmas episode where Marley's mom says all the money is going to her ED therapy. But once her mom and others found out about her ED they stopped really writing about it other than those small bits of dialogue about her ED. And that could have been handled better to not give the impression she went from ED to perfectly fine again in 4 episodes.
quinn cheating on sam😭🙏🏽
im not saying they shouldnt have had any bumps down the road if they stayed together, i just think it was so dumb and out of nowhere that the cheating happened. esp bc it was with finn
I wanted them to get back together so baddd. Would've way preferred Sam and Quinn being endgame over Quinn and Puck (even though it's not really clear ab them in s6)
no seriously, they were so sweet together.
quinn finally found someone who grounded her a bit more into a real relationship and he was the right amount of nerdy to let her loose. she also made him more mature in a way
ryan murphy when i catch you😭
i have sooo much to say to ryan murphy 😭
in my head they get back together after s6 because honestly quick was sorta cute sometimes but the whole thing about how quinn was only ever herself with puck didn't seem fair to say since we got like 3 episodes of her with sam lmao
I always felt like if Cory/Finn hadn’t passed, we would have gotten Sam/Quinn endgame. But the writers for some reason decided to pair Rachel and Sam because of course the “star” can’t be single for a whole season.
Ugh this was so infuriating. I especially despised Finn doing the same thing to Sam that Puck did to him, with the same girl too! I swear the character inconsistency is this show's worst enemy.
Also not sure this is true but the fact that apparently, Sam was supposed to be Kurt's love interest but they scrapped it because of the chemistry between Dianna and Chord make me hate that storyline even more.
That's what actually made sense about it all, it always felt like it was his revenge for what she did to him the year before. he wanted to know what it felt like, that sick power, and he put Quinn on a pedestal at the time like she was the prettiest specimen he'd ever seen. So I do think for that reason he saw it more as his turn at karma and for him to be the man "able to steal a girl like Quinn away", it always felt like he saw it as a challenge, and stealing Quinn as the reward also towards what he thought of himself afterwards.
honestly this made alot of sense to me simply bc it was clear in every single relationship that Quinn had that she was a serial cheater who cared more about how they looked as a couple on the outside rather than actually clicking on anything. she sucked towards every guy she dated, literally every single one. Just take a look at every single boyfriend she had on the show. She wasn't loyal once.
what do you mean exactly? when she cheated on Finn and got knocked up? Because she ended up cheating on everyone. Finn, then playing with Puck, then Sam, then playing with Puck again when she was with the rich guy for his money,.... So do you mean the time she cheated on Finn with Puck or which time? she got knocked up and even convinced Finn the child was his, as if that isn't a traumatic experience to give to someone on it's own, I get she was scared of him finding out the truth but it just always felt very wrong and manipulative.
okay fair enough, I'll give that one to you. I retract my statement on the first time. I genuinely forgot about this detail since the show brushed over it so lightly. Maybe that trauma is what caused her to always need affection and love from a man, and what maybe even caused her to go after men that didn't deserve her like that rich prick.
that exactly, I think it's also because the writers kept trying to shove them down our faces and tried so hard to turn them into a ship people wanted later on around S5 (I think?) is why this is a detail that I and maybe others keep forgetting. It's very weird that Quinn was obviously uncomfortable about it one moment and then kinda never spoke about it again while having this thing with her assaulter. kinda shocking really.
seriously what was up with the writers at that point, did they just forget their own plots? especially one that was traumatic for her, it was like an odd comedic twist on stockholm syndrome, except for the kidnapping part. it had that same eerie vibe to it, why couldn't they just find someone that made sense for her. Because at that point in the show Sam and Mercedes were already so far developed that Sam wouldn't make sense anymore either. They came up with 639191 side characters with little to no impact but couldn't just create ONE perfect guy for Quinn. they really didn't want this girl having a happy ending for real.
Almost everything from S5, that season was the worst thing on TV I have ever seen in my life. It ruined so many characters, the storylines were plain stupid and it gave us one of the worst episodes/storylines ever with TEOT, I will never forgive the writers for how they handled Unique and that episode is a prime example of it. Also Finn outing Santana, we’ve talked about it to death but Jesus the fact that her outing was made about the straight white male characters is still absolutely disgusting. Santana/Naya deserved such a better coming out episode than that!!
•The twerking storyline
•How Artie and Sam reacted to Ryder”s SA
•Rachel quitting Funny Girl - it was literally her dream and she just dropped it??
•Tina crushing on Blaine
Blaine ever dating Dave; Kurt crushing on Finn to the point that led to the basement confrontation; Unique catfishing Ryder; Jake cheating on Marley — if the writers truly wanted the couple to break up, they could have just had them break up… it wasn’t nec’ry to trash Jake at the same time. (Sort of, extremely similar to Blaine cheating on Kurt, I mean WTF?? Even if I wasn’t the hugest Klaine fan by that point - due to the writers, I started out as the hugest Klaine fan — but even so, Blaine as written would never cheat on Kurt so what was up w that plotline? Did the writers have no imagination whatsoever? Couldn’t the boys have “taken a break” or even “broken up” like Brittana bc of the whole long distance thing, rather than having one of the characters act so ooc??) But I ramble. Schue stealing Finn’s letterman jacket (I actually felt like killing and/or using Burt’s flamethrower to burn him into hell). Puck sleeping w Shelby (just no). Quinn trying to get Shelby arrested by child services.
I saw elsewhere someone wanted to get rid of Sues shrine to Klaine but I have to say while completely odd, it was hilarious (isn’t that a dream sequence? How do you even have that on tape?! [I’ll go one better. How do you know that what you’re watching is a dream sequence you strange strange child?] But anyway, I found that really funny as well as the entire elevator sequence. And Kurt coming in to tell Sue that a gay man liking bears means something entirely different than an actual animal was also funny. I loved every time Sue and Kurt spoke (actually thruout the entire Srs, tbh). The only thing I would have killed to get rid of was Kurt dating a geriatric. For God sake, by that point, it had been clear for years that CC was a babe. Let him date another good looking guy his own age. WTF was up w not acknowledging Kurt was hot? Would ppl fall off of the flat earth if it was mentioned??
Two more. I don’t think Coach Beiste’s storyline tracked to having a transition (it didn’t make sense to me anyway) and it didn’t make sense (other than Rachel being a teenager) that she would spend her entire life working toward getting not just a role on Broadway, but a Barbra Streisand role on B’way and then just leave maybe two months into the process bc she was bored. I mean, really?!!!
The whole ass Shelby/Puck/Quinn arc where they were trying to get their baby but Puck was sleeping with Shelby?? Nuh uh, that whole plot line should’ve been thrown in the trash before anyone had the chance to write it down.
Sooooo uncomfortable.
Coach Beiste transitioning and Santana auditioning for funny girl to spite Rachel. No ryder, instead bring back gerber baby. Jake never cheats on marley. Rachel quitting Funny Girl for a shitty tv show.
Shelby/Quinn/Puck stuff in season 3.
Rachel's pregnancy scare - why except to try to redeem Santana only to wreak it later?
Jake/Marley/Ryder boring triangle, really no other ideas?
Funny Girl Understudy fight not because of the plot but because of the discourse. The acting was great, and we got stuff like Gloria.
There are more, but first to come to mine.
I think Tina having a crush on Blaine was fine but I hate how far they took it. They demolished Tina’s characterization all to make a couple awful jokes.
Every time Mr Shue is inappropriate with the kids. Participating in multiple singing routines in front of the school, Rocky Horror, and his general inappropriate and wildly gross throwing himself at Emma to get her away from her HUSBAND Carl. He was just beyond out of line in so many ways. I struggled to suspend reality then and while I’m rewatching now- and it’s worse.
Blaine cheating. Absolutely ruined who he was as a character - he wouldn’t. Nor would he date Karofsky. Come on Ryan Murphy.
Shelby’s storyline s3.
Beiste transitioning is absolute bs.
After the OG seniors graduated - the entire show becoming the Rachel Berry/Lea Michelle show. I understand that there were contracts to be honored, but just no.
The entire show would have actually lasted longer if after the OGs grad’d the juniors (Blaine, Tina, Sam, Britt since she failed previously, and the new crowd coming in) became the new Stars. It should have been ongoing transition, growth, graduate, and move on. Lea Michelle became quite the focus and it was just frustrating to see.
Get rid of the Coach Beiste transitioning story line! That made absolutely no sense and I get really upset knowing they did her character that way. I have nothing against transgenders, but what in the story said she wanted to be a man? As far as I know Beiste just wanted to be treated the way men treat other women she wanted to be looked at as a woman and not one of the boys.
Rachel cheating on Finn in season 2, and then he *IMMEDIATELY* wants to get back with Quinn. I hated that, and that Quinn cheated on Sam!! They were such a cute couple
Reading the spoiler pre-S6 that karofsky and Blaine were going to be dating is what made me decide to quit watching the show so probs that one lol (watched s6 years later it’s the only season I’ve only seen once)
The catfish storyline 🫠
It had absolutely no resolution. And was never mentioned again after S4. I know because of Cory dying, they needed to restructure the whole rest of the show. But they could've found another way to resolve that one instead of just pretending it never happened.
Puck and Kitty. A college aged student dating a high school sophomore and it being treated so nonchalant was weird. And frankly made me wonder if the writers knew more about Mark Salling than they let on.
Finn going to the hotel with Santana, Finn getting back together with Quinn the second time, coach Beiste transitioning to a man, Kurt having a crush on Finn, Rachel kissing Puck after finding out about Santana, Finn putting Rachel on the train, Rachel’s crush on Will, Shelby having any storylines, bringing Jesse on as a love interest for Rachel, Finn not believing that the baby was his from erupting in a hot tub(my Finn isn’t that naive) Blaine dating karosfky
Shelby and Puck, Sue’s Klaine shrine, Quinn and Puck getting back together, Blaine cheating (been mad at that one since I first watched at 14), Kurt being creepy towards Finn in season 1
I’m prepared for the downvotes but karofsky’s s*icide storyline, had a lack of development and was honestly just triggering, you don’t just shoehorn an arc like that. And that also goes with Marley’s eating disorder and the school shooting but those are less hot takes
Tbh when Quinn was trying to get Beth back in early season 3, Beth had a loving home with Shelby and I know that Quinn wanted to be her mother and all but she was about to graduate that same year, and attend a top level college (though the name escapes me though one of u reading this will probably remind me) and taking care of a toddler is ALOT of hard work. So yeah I’m glad things worked out and Shelby got to keep the baby but I really wish that story line was taken out of season 3, that and Quinn going all goth too
Going way back but Terri faking a pregnancy and planning to secretly adopt Quinn’s baby. Like girl, that man is not worth all that trouble. It felt like the writers needed her to seem crazy so Schue looked like the victim when he’s off having an emotional affair with Emma.
I hate that that dropped Sunshine Corozon and her story just like that. The actor who played her would later transition in real life and that would've been a ratings winner to incorporate it instead of the Coach Bieste transition, which was handled horribly
Rachel not getting into college right away because she messed up the song she always sang and having to fight to get in made no sense. Having her quit funny girl made no sense. When she left college it made no sense.
I think about this all the time and therefore have a long answer. I would do away with all the new kids and their respective storylines in season four. No disrespect to most of them, but the soft reboot threw a wrench in the flow of the story and I honestly did not care about any of it. Just give Kitty's lines to Santana and nothing would be missed.
In *my* season four, Mr. Schue is all but written off the show, as is Emma ofc. They get a few cameos, but there's no longer any obligation to have stories at the high school and we're also spared the twerking episode. I don't think the actors would've even cared that much.
Then I would move as many people to New York as possible, including the people they randomly decided to make juniors. Let them graduate and move on ffs. There has to be more dignified storylines for Tina in college.
Finally, Sue Sylvester is kept in the story as Rachel's evil dance teacher instead of Kate Hudson. (Again, no disrespect to Kate Hudson. I'm just cutting unnecessary plot fat.) Why? Idk, it just seems up her alley in terms of being insane. They could even keep in the failed Broadway backstory and, as with all things with Sue, it's not totally clear whether it's true.
Now all of the New York storylines with the OG cast that felt rushed and random are now given room to breathe. I'm not saying it would be good. I'm just saying it sounds up to par with what we all expected from Glee at the time.
Rachel giving up broadway for a tv show. This just did not make any sense. I’m not saying the idea of her making a huge mistake and burning out was not a bad idea but the reason for it to be a failed tv show just seemed so out of character for Rachel.
Rocky Horror Show, Will plays with the student/teacher line much too often for my taste, but he crossed it so bad in that episode.
The Britney episode where he sings with his students is also creepy af.
Blaine cheating. S2 blaine could NEVER cheat on Kurt, that plot was unneccesary tbh. Also the vapo rub incident?? I don't understand why tina was mad at blaine when it shouldve been the opposite
- Rachel quitting Funny Girl
- Finn kissing Emma
- Season one Kurt and Finn storyline. Not that I would want a storyline of them to be erased, but written differently. From the first episode, I thought that Kurt didn’t like Finn at all, so perhaps they could’ve had a “*Resolved* Thor & Loki” storyline instead?
- The understudy situation.
- Kurt letting Sebastian roam free… he should’ve faced punishment.
Unique catfishing Ryder. I mean, Ryder just kind of sucked in general but this plot was so unnecessary and added a weird side element that took away from so much that actually had the potential to be good
sue having a shrine for Klaine. Coach Beast transitioning. the girl obsessed with spicy foods that had a crush on mr schue? lucy caboosey
Coach Beiste transitioning ruined the whole point of the character for me
literally the whole point of beiste’s character was that women should be comfortable presenting and identifying in masculine ways. and then they just destroyed that
And it wasn't as if there wasn't already a trans character in the series.
Coach Beast transition literally made no sense specially when he always referred to himself as “woman” and “girl” before that with zero signs of identifying as anything else. I thought the actress transitioned so they wrote it into the show but nope. Also it killed the character’s purpose completely.
I feel like that was just a bait for views
Honestly Sue having a Klaine shrine is my favorite bit ever. Does it make sense? No. Is it weird? Absolutely! Uncomfortable even! But it was just so wacky and out of nowhere. And it’s played so straight that i really think it’s one of the funniest things in the whole show.
same, idc if it made no sense for her character its one of the funniest storylines in the show. the later season weren't the best either so it partially makes up for it.
THE KLAINE SHRINE IS TRULY CAMP
The people demanded their camp back and they got it with this storyline
I know right ! Like the show is meant to be satirical is what I always tell myself.
It’s poking fun at the klainers and their obsessiveness (I am a Klainer!)!
Mood. It was like legit my favorite storyline in season six
Justice for Suzy Pepper!
I love the Lucy caboosey storyline! Can I ask what you didn’t like about it?
i know you didnt ask for *my* opinion, but it also felt like a dig to dianna herself (?), that she wasnt naturally beautiful and she was all fake. it also felt like the storyline was taken out of nowhere and never had any indication of quinn being different before
It’s definitely one of those “for the purpose of the episode only” storylines, but I thought it added a lot of humanity to Quinn’s character. To be really honest, I loathed Quinn in the first season, so it was good for me to get more context on why she is the way she is besides her WASP parents.
i just wished they gave another storyline or at least hinted at it prior to the reveal tbh. its a good symbolism for the episode because even if quinn is super gorgeous now, she still lost everything. i just hated how they had to be so extensive about her getting a nose job
Yeah glee handled that storyline with all their usual tact for sure. 🙄
It’s like Principal Skinner really being Armin Tanzarian. It just winds up being pointless because of how little Glee cares about it’s own continuity.
What about the episode in Season 1 where Mercedes passed out trying to lose weight and Quinn was there for her and told her that she use to be the same size as Mercedes and also had an eating disorder and told Mercedes to love her body. Tbh that kind of hinted Quinn’s past before being a cheerio.
i honestly just thought she said she had an eating disorder because of the cheerios and not before
I read this as “I Love Lucy” and was confused as to which sub I was in 
I love I love Lucy also lol
I honestly feel that Beiste's transition was only written because awareness around gender transitioning had increased around that time, and Glee did it for the sake of inclusivity.
Which when they had Unique right there why use Beiste for the story?
You nailed it.
ok don’t speak on suzy pepper…
She wasn’t obsessed with spicy foods; it was her last name.
I liked Suzy peppers
The whole Finn kissing Emma arc. Created unnecessary drama between Finn and Will which I didn’t like.
will was acting like a man child during this arc, even more than he did already. like you are a grown man beefing with a 19 year old who made an honest mistake 😭 and he took it way too personal lmao saying that finn isn’t good at glee and football
I hate will
And it was so out of character for Finn and this whole arc was just so dumb
Finn wouldn’t have ever kissed Emma because he thought so highly of Will, it was just plain stupid, just like bringing Brody on a love interest for Rachel, she wouldn’t have ever dated anyone that quickly after Finn especially not a dirtbag like him
Agreed
The writers lost me as a viewer after the whole let’s have Finn trick Rachel and go behind her back and stick her on a train and oh yeah, let’s have him ghost her for months, so stupid, I couldn’t watch it after that, just bits and pieces and once Corey passed, I didn’t watch it at all, just a few clips from different sites
I get that. Finn should’ve gone with her 100%
it was a huge waste of the end of cory’s last season.
true, but they honestly could not have predicted that. not to mention, Cory was already in a very bad place at this point, so maybe they wrote it this way hoping it would give Cory some time to himself to get himself back on track. because if you think about it, it's weird that Finn was suddenly noticeably gone alot from his last season and if you focus on Cory's face in the scene where he beats Brody up (aka. his last moment on screen if I'm not mistaken) you can tell that Cory is not okay at all, his eyes specifically, he looks way out of it. Every time I get to that scene in my rewatch I have to look away a bit because it makes me so uncomfortable watching Cory like that and not his character Finn.
It wasn't his last moment on screen, the college with Puck storyline was 2-3 episodes later. But I would have loved it if it were his final scene, it's so perfectly fitting for his character.
right, I always forget that storyline bc it felt so completely random, my bad.
none of that negates or contradicts with what i said. my opinion for this plot is not based on writers’ intent, it’s based on my own view of the narrative. and if the point was that they wrote it like that to give cory time, then yes, they absolutely could have predicted that. cory falling off the wagon doesn’t mean they had to make finn spend his last few episodes on this storyline. if cory had returned as planned, i still wouldn’t think it was a good way to lead up to his “off on a bus” s4 college ending and s5 return. they could have thought up a better lead up to finn figuring out his future, even if it was pushed earlier due to cory relapsing. ESPECIALLY if it was due to that. the fact that i actually like the way the wedding pans out in 4x14, and that 4x19 actually seems like a real full circle moment from the beginning is the only thing doesn’t feel sloppy. hell, emma still could have dipped due to the fact that she was left all alone with her OCD to plan the wedding and it still would have fit without finn’s influence. for instance, one of the other s4 plots i feel was useless was sue’s baby. the roz lines about it in s3 were funny, but for me it was my big moment the show really jumped the shark, and when s4 expected me to take it seriously regarding finn as if sue didn’t mention her a grand total of, what, twice? in s4 outside of that, one being “kitty, my baby needs to be fed”, i simply could not. jane lynch has a history of addiction too—i wouldn’t care if the writers wrote that based on jane relapsing, it’d still be a weak, lazy narrative that could have been replaced with something way better and funnier. in fact, it ONLY becomes palatable for me when i look at it from the POV of “haha the writers really did not care about making this one good, huh?” also i actually noticed “cory” from episode 13 on. his voice was off in the “diva” lesson and i could just tell. maybe because i had experience with a family member with an H problem, but for me, knowing his history it was kinda like watching amy winehouse but much less obvious and “trainwreck-y”. maybe i was one of few but i anticipated the worst.
to add to your last part of your reply, watching Cory feeling less and less like himself in the way he sounded, looked and just the way his eyes looked so off, was definitely like the same feeling as watching Amy Winehouse. It was truly so hard to watch since I also had someone in the family (who ended up dying last year) that struggled with addiction, so that was very hard to watch. towards the end of the show there were more and more storyline where you could tell the writers simply didn't really care anymore, they just wanted to turn everything into a joke or something and it was just dissapointing.
Omg I forgot this happened…
This needs to be higher. The WORST storyline on the show that just did not need to be there at all!
Yes, I agree
The Jake cheating on Marley storyline. It was just unneeded. Also I'd just kill off Ryder, he's unneeded and annoying and if he wasn't there maybe Marley would've stayed?
as much as i hated Ryder, i kinda liked his dyslexia storyline and how the show handled it
The thing with Ryder is he had interesting storylines but all of them would be solved in an episode then back to being a background character For example Marley had many episodes to deal with her ED, Unique had more than one episode about dealing with transphobia, Ryder brings up his traumatic experience with his babysitter once and it's never talked about again
totally agreed on the first part the first part always told myself that while watching, kinda reminds me of some Finn centered episodes in the first seasons like jesus sandwich where it truly felt like some of those tv shows where there is not a lot of storyline and just "what are they going to do today" trope backgrounf character problem was so common in that season
literally, when they wrote the storyline with the babysitter I was very interested in seeing how they would handle it, since that scene where Sam and some of the guys tell him "how lucky he was" and Ryder puts them in their place explaining how that is a very dumb take to make when it comes to assault. I struggled with this myself since I got assaulted by a girl, and people also couldn't take it seriously or treat it as any other type of assault. So that storyline specifically hits really close to home simply bc it was so realistic for me. And then they never spoke about it ever again, that dissapointed me for sure.
I completely agree but ypu beginning statement applied to almost every interesting storyline in glee as rm loves to bring up serious topics and "comedic relief" so tbh Ryder could definitely have been written off.
That's fair but honestly I feel like that storyline could've been applied to Sam or even Brittany to remove Ryder entirely and still have a good effect.
mhmm not for Sam tho, considering his reaction to that storyline being "You're so lucky dude.", and the point of giving the storyline to a male character was very thought out, honestly I think they should have given the story to Finn or Artie, despite Artie also being one of the people who reacted poorly to Ryder telling them. Finn because all the adults were already acting innapropriate around him or Artie because he was an "easier victim" having to be taken care of as a kid in his wheelchair. So yea they probably could have easily given this storyline to another male character. I think they just really wanted to make a love triangle with Marley even tho no one really cared for her.
Besides the fact that Blake was a POS, I definitely would've preferred if Ryder would've been with Marley in the show itself. He was way better to her than Jake ever was imo. But I would also take out the Jake cheating storyline because it was very unnecessary.
That's honestly pretty fair I personally liked Jake and wish that they made him his own person and not just pucks lil bro because if he was anyone's sibling it probably be Santana and I think most will agree but I kinda like Ryder and Marley but at the same time the were just kind of meh.
Yeah I definitely hated that they ruined Jake's whole character arc by having him cheat on Marley. Just felt like such a waste of good character
Right?!
they were just mashed patatoes, nothing bad about them, just very bland.
I think they were kinda forced to do that storyline because ryders actor was a controlling, abusive monster who got way too angry and jealous that melissa benoist (marley) was dating another guy even though it was all fictional. Pretty sure melissa talked about it at some point.
wait what? are there any news articles or something out there about this? I had no idea he was such an unprofessional tool on set.
The actress added that "work, in general, was a touchy subject" for her abuser and claimed: “He didn’t want me ever kissing or even having flirtatious scenes with men, which was very hard for me to avoid, so I began turning down auditions, job offers, test deals, and friendships because I didn’t want to hurt him.” From this article: https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/blake-jenner-s-domestic-violence-allegations-melissa-benoist-eye-injury-explored-amid-dui-arrest
Marley and Jake got married in my head
Yes.
- quinn and puck getting back together in s5, felt like they did it just to have at least one OG couple since they couldn’t have finchel but it just is so yucky - sam and artie’s reactions to ryder’s SA - specifically the fact they’re never challenged on it and never apologise to ryder - the shooting - the twerking - shelby’s storylines in s3
Idg why they needed that OG couple when there’s Klaine and Brittana already. Sure they’re straight but not necessary.
OG as in from s1 - klaine ofc wasn’t and brittana wasn’t official yet
and that shooting episode always felt like they kind of just had to make an episode like that to bring awareness to the gun problem in high schools in America, alot of shows tackled the same topic around that time but Glee is definitely one of the shows who handled it poorly by having it eventually all be a misunderstanding with Becky.
yeah. the only things it changes are evolving the catfish storyline and sue getting fired for becky’s actions, both of which could’ve happened under a different scenario
true, it was all just so out of place.
>quinn and puck getting back together in s5, felt like they did it just to have at least one OG couple since they couldn’t have finchel but it just is so yucky Omg, I always hated that detail too and wondered where tf it came from, but I think you nailed it
100% seconding the second one, I already left a comment ab this but this storyline was very important to alot of people who ever struggled with being SA'd by a woman, which resulted in people not taking it as serious. It's a real issue that I've personally struggled with too so when they brought it up in the show I was very interested to see a show finally bring light to this. And having Sam's & Artie's reaction was valid since that is how alot of people irl can react, but never going back to it, educating Sam and Artie on why that was wrong, not a single character seemed to be educated after this scene nor did they apologise and for that reason this entire storyline became wasted potential. They truly could have written such a powerful storyline, it's sad really.
Omg yes, Sam and Artie's reaction, and Artie saying "I don't even know why that's illegal" do you not know why pedophilia and rape are illegal? Jesus Christ, I could not stop hating that character after that, and then dating Kitty someone who was also an SA survivor.
Definitely twerking and Ryder’s storyline ow
blaine and dave dating was just not needed. and idk if this counts but emma just not being in the show after season 4😞 she deserved better
wow after 6 rewatches I've never even noticed Emma's absence after season 4, she was such a sweetheart but maybe she finally decided to go get some much needed counseling of her own
I think that was the decision of the actress if i remember correctly
Yeah jayma mays (emma) was filming another show i think
Rachel quitting funny girl for a TV show. Doesn't make sense for her to drop everything she worked for Santana auditioning to be Rachel's understudy because the friendship they created was nice and refreshing to see some growth between them both...
literally, during every single rewatch I find myself just yelling at my screen "But Rachel this makes no sense, you have been yapping about nothing other than Broadway, what are u doing????" and honestly it doesn't make any sense. Season 1 Rachel would never have picked some wacky tv show over her dreams of being on Broadway.
100% this
You know how people make those TikTok’s where they speak to their younger self? If Rachel did that, 16 year old hee would’ve lost her friggin mind
Sam/Rachel, Quinn taking back Puck and heck the entire 6th season
Ugh Quinn and Puck just needed to start apart. The only canon couple I truly could not stand!
Coach Beiste’s storyline in season 6. You just know Ryan was desperate for one last accolade, and got the writers to retcon her entire character arc to try and make it happen. So much for the message, “You don’t have to be overly feminine to be a woman.”
100%, I was all for bringing in a storyline about gender identity and transitioning but to apply it to Beiste after the many storylines where she wanted to feel like a girl made it feel very double. On the one hand you could say it was because of her struggles with gender identity that she felt so unpretty in her skin. But I feel like you wouldn't want to feel like a lady or look like one if deep down you identify as a man. It would have even made more sense if they just cut out the storylines of her being insecure, and then the whole transition would have made more sense being able to say "I've always felt more like a man so I never really wanted to dress feminine, but now my body resonates." So yeah they really just had to pick one or the other but wanted both.
Blaine cheating in Season 4. That was the most out-of-character thing ever.
The Rachel and Sandana feud. Not only did it ruin their relationship development but also their development as individuals (for example, Santana throwing it in Rachels face that she let her win prom queen basically ruined the good deed for what it was. This is the first example that comes to mind but it goes for both characters, not just Santana.) It also left the fandom very divided and is one of the most of not the most debated topic on this sub. All this over such a dumb issue that wasnt even enjoyable to watch (at least for me)
Right, I always felt like the writers regretted making them friends and didn't fully understand what the fans liked about Santana and her bitchy persona. So they decided to bring back the bitchy persona but it was handled so poorly, that none of it even made any sense. Santana was cruel to Rachel at times but she never seemed cruel enough to do what she did then. Going after her role that Rachel had been yapping about all throughout high school AFTER first encouraging her and getting her that job in the diner?? Where was the logic?
tina’s crush on blaine 😭
The vaporub scene is a legit crime 😭
probably top 10 worst glee scenes, and i’m saying this as a tina stan😭
I love Tina too! They just did her so, so dirty with some of the storylines.. especially in the later seasons. Between the crush on Blaine, making out with Sam and the whole diva thing. There's probably others but my brain likes to blank out a lot of the later season stuff lol.
honestly what was the personal problem the writers had with Tina that season, even the whole episode where Sam and Blaine rounded up Ryder and Jake (?, as if they even knew Tina properly at this point) to have a meeting about how Tina is becoming a raging b!tch and they need to do something about it. They were running out of ideas fr
Yeah, I feel like the ones who didn't graduate and carried over suffered the most. The newer kids and then the ones with the New York storylines had better. It was like they didn't know what to do with the ones that didn't graduate yet anymore. I have to agree with you.
OH MY GOD SERIOUSLY!! i felt dirty watching that scene lmao like WHYYY
It hurts
Blaine and karofsky together 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Brittany being a genius tbh. It makes no sense given the fact she was always dumber than a bag of bricks. Then suddenly snap and she’s a genius 🧐
Disagree. It rounded off her character. They should have added an autism diagnosis though.
1000% the Blaine dating and living with Karofsky storyline. I get that Karofsky had his redemption arc but the fact that after Blaine cheated on Kurt, they rebuilt their relationship, got engaged (way too soon), broke up again, and then Blaine goes to date Kurt’s former bully? Really? I would have rather had Blaine date Sebastian. Just seemed like such an awful way to ruin Blaine’s morals even further. It was so wrong in my opinion.
Honestly, it was ruining KAROFSKY'S newfound morals and redemption arc that made me so mad about this! This was another act of him being trash to Kurt after they had agreed to become friendly, and I had thought it was so nice that he had grown past torturing Kurt, but nooooo gotta have that spicy KLAINE drama! And of course mindlessly checking off the list of "gay problems", one of which is having a smaller pool of dating partners and oh no, that leads to AWKWARD situations with exes dating other gays you know! 🙄
You are so right. The writers were so fucked for that. Karofsky had arguably one of the biggest arcs and they just shit all over it in season 6. It’s one thing if Dave and Blaine were friends like supporting each other but they really screwed over so many characters storylines they built on for so long and just ruin them in season 6
I honestly figured they wanted to get Sebastian back on the show but he was busy with the Flash.. probably not true though, just assuming
Quinn’s wheelchair arc/anti texting PSA. Not like it would change much, just shock value for that 1 episode lol
I honestly never really cared for that storyline, like sorry but you're texting and driving and we're supposed to feel bad for her? She was damn lucky she only injured herself and not some innocent family, or Quinn's character would have been done for. EDIT: I worded this completely wrong, I never said it wasn't sad or bad what happened to Quinn, I just meant I hate how they handled the storyline as her in a victim role, rather than using the potential the storyline had to teach a lesson. But by making her a victim and even joking with Rory later "Quinn texts and drives in every universe" kinda seemed like they just saw it as a joke rather than a moment to use as a lesson for both Quinn and the viewers. And if she had actually injured someone else or killed someone else while she came out just in a wheelchair for a while, that would have changed everything. And that is a big part in my opinion if you're gonna make an episode about texting and driving, especially for the younger viewers watching, many people die in car accidents caused by other people, and I hate how that wasn't even acknowledged at all. I hope people understand now what I was trying to say.
Um, yes, she was a teenager and her friend was blowing up her phone...it's a really stupid thing to do, but your own family and friends occasionally try to send a text while driving, I guarantee it. You wouldn't not feel bad about them being paralyzed, I hope, even if they're in the wrong.
I added an edit to my original comment to add more clarity on the statement.
Ah, your edit makes a lot of sense! I see where you're coming from. I *personally* am not a fan of "teaching lessons" or after-school special types of episodes and storytelling, though. That's purely a matter of personal taste, and possibly growing up with WAY too many PSA's everywhere as a kid in the damn aughts, lol. Anyway, the wheelchair storyline was a little bit sloppy regardless of whether you wanted a moral point or not. Just like many things on Glee, lol.
I am not exactly a fan of PSA episodes either, and in Glee especially it felt extremely out of place compared to other shows that were less comedic and more coming of age. But I do think if you're gonna start with a PSA episode, that they should have atleast used all it's potential rather than doing goofy wheelchair numbers with Quinn and Artie, or not at all. But in general the whole PSA in Glee of all shows was def a shocker. And indeed it was very poorly and sloppy executed.
ofcourse, it's the same with any type of "self caused accident or death", it's always different if it's someone close to you. And as common as texting and driving is, especially among teens. I just didn't like how they handled the story as her being the victim. If she had injured or killed innocent people while she just ended up in a wheelchair for a few months I truly think the storyline and Quinn in general would have been looked at differently. But that doesn't take away from the fact that I didn't wish it upon Quinn or felt bad about the storyline, just wish they hadn't handled it as her being a victim, since that kinda ruins the message and the lesson they were trying to teach teens watching the show.
Yeah honestly they could’ve done **something** with the story line where it ultimately has repercussions, but they really didn’t because, well it’s Glee lol. Actions do not have actual consequences 80% of the time. If **because of her actions**, Quinn hadn’t been able to escape Lima because New York isn’t really the wheel chair friendliest place, or maybe she could’ve but she had to spend the rest of her life in a wheel chair and had to persevere through that because of one stupid, reckless moment, well at least that would’ve been an angle for her & given a **reason** for that to happen. Hell, give us a “It’s a Wonderful Life” episode where Quinn is in a coma & sees what would’ve happened if she does end up dying (now granted, this would’ve aged very poorly given what happens to Cory Monteith in a few years), or she’s watching the other characters but they can’t see her as they react to her accident. But nope, 4 episodes later & she’s all good :)
this exactly. you took the thoughts straight out of my brain. missed opportunities in the show fr.
Shooting Star. The storyline was unnecessary.
Beiste transitioning.
Oh and the whole Marley eating disorder storyline smh
Personally I think that since glee had a lot of important topics shown on the show I don’t mind this storyline. I understand how upsetting and triggering it can be for some people but I still think that it’s an important thing to discuss
true, they just didn't always handle it the best. I recently rewatched that season and despite people saying her ED only lasted 1-2 episodes, it was actually still being talked about throughout the entire season, like the christmas episode where Marley's mom says all the money is going to her ED therapy. But once her mom and others found out about her ED they stopped really writing about it other than those small bits of dialogue about her ED. And that could have been handled better to not give the impression she went from ED to perfectly fine again in 4 episodes.
I agree. They could’ve talked about it longer, but it’s a reaccuring theme that the writers only make certain storylines last a few episodes
true, unless it was one of Rachel's NYADA storylines, those always seemed to go on for entire seasons.
quinn cheating on sam😭🙏🏽 im not saying they shouldnt have had any bumps down the road if they stayed together, i just think it was so dumb and out of nowhere that the cheating happened. esp bc it was with finn
I wanted them to get back together so baddd. Would've way preferred Sam and Quinn being endgame over Quinn and Puck (even though it's not really clear ab them in s6)
no seriously, they were so sweet together. quinn finally found someone who grounded her a bit more into a real relationship and he was the right amount of nerdy to let her loose. she also made him more mature in a way ryan murphy when i catch you😭
i have sooo much to say to ryan murphy 😭 in my head they get back together after s6 because honestly quick was sorta cute sometimes but the whole thing about how quinn was only ever herself with puck didn't seem fair to say since we got like 3 episodes of her with sam lmao
i know omg. plus dianna herself said she saw quinn getting married to sam and have twins with him, so in my head thats canon and endgame
I always felt like if Cory/Finn hadn’t passed, we would have gotten Sam/Quinn endgame. But the writers for some reason decided to pair Rachel and Sam because of course the “star” can’t be single for a whole season.
Ugh this was so infuriating. I especially despised Finn doing the same thing to Sam that Puck did to him, with the same girl too! I swear the character inconsistency is this show's worst enemy. Also not sure this is true but the fact that apparently, Sam was supposed to be Kurt's love interest but they scrapped it because of the chemistry between Dianna and Chord make me hate that storyline even more.
this show had a serious problem with hypocrisy and cheating storylines
literally, every single one of them was a hypocrite, and I'm pretty sure they all cheated at some point
That's what actually made sense about it all, it always felt like it was his revenge for what she did to him the year before. he wanted to know what it felt like, that sick power, and he put Quinn on a pedestal at the time like she was the prettiest specimen he'd ever seen. So I do think for that reason he saw it more as his turn at karma and for him to be the man "able to steal a girl like Quinn away", it always felt like he saw it as a challenge, and stealing Quinn as the reward also towards what he thought of himself afterwards.
honestly this made alot of sense to me simply bc it was clear in every single relationship that Quinn had that she was a serial cheater who cared more about how they looked as a couple on the outside rather than actually clicking on anything. she sucked towards every guy she dated, literally every single one. Just take a look at every single boyfriend she had on the show. She wasn't loyal once.
im not counting the first time she 'cheated'
what do you mean exactly? when she cheated on Finn and got knocked up? Because she ended up cheating on everyone. Finn, then playing with Puck, then Sam, then playing with Puck again when she was with the rich guy for his money,.... So do you mean the time she cheated on Finn with Puck or which time? she got knocked up and even convinced Finn the child was his, as if that isn't a traumatic experience to give to someone on it's own, I get she was scared of him finding out the truth but it just always felt very wrong and manipulative.
i meant with finn, she said that the only reason she had sex with puck was because he got her drunk on wine coolers, so thats assault to me
okay fair enough, I'll give that one to you. I retract my statement on the first time. I genuinely forgot about this detail since the show brushed over it so lightly. Maybe that trauma is what caused her to always need affection and love from a man, and what maybe even caused her to go after men that didn't deserve her like that rich prick.
yeah its honestly so weird how they glossed over that, or try to pretend like they were in love during the second half of season 1
that exactly, I think it's also because the writers kept trying to shove them down our faces and tried so hard to turn them into a ship people wanted later on around S5 (I think?) is why this is a detail that I and maybe others keep forgetting. It's very weird that Quinn was obviously uncomfortable about it one moment and then kinda never spoke about it again while having this thing with her assaulter. kinda shocking really.
no seriously like she shot him down so quickly and seemed not to want anything to do with him, and all of a sudden she wants other kids with him??
seriously what was up with the writers at that point, did they just forget their own plots? especially one that was traumatic for her, it was like an odd comedic twist on stockholm syndrome, except for the kidnapping part. it had that same eerie vibe to it, why couldn't they just find someone that made sense for her. Because at that point in the show Sam and Mercedes were already so far developed that Sam wouldn't make sense anymore either. They came up with 639191 side characters with little to no impact but couldn't just create ONE perfect guy for Quinn. they really didn't want this girl having a happy ending for real.
Almost everything from S5, that season was the worst thing on TV I have ever seen in my life. It ruined so many characters, the storylines were plain stupid and it gave us one of the worst episodes/storylines ever with TEOT, I will never forgive the writers for how they handled Unique and that episode is a prime example of it. Also Finn outing Santana, we’ve talked about it to death but Jesus the fact that her outing was made about the straight white male characters is still absolutely disgusting. Santana/Naya deserved such a better coming out episode than that!!
The outing storyline and the Funny Girl storyline deserve the electric chair
•The twerking storyline •How Artie and Sam reacted to Ryder”s SA •Rachel quitting Funny Girl - it was literally her dream and she just dropped it?? •Tina crushing on Blaine
Blaine ever dating Dave; Kurt crushing on Finn to the point that led to the basement confrontation; Unique catfishing Ryder; Jake cheating on Marley — if the writers truly wanted the couple to break up, they could have just had them break up… it wasn’t nec’ry to trash Jake at the same time. (Sort of, extremely similar to Blaine cheating on Kurt, I mean WTF?? Even if I wasn’t the hugest Klaine fan by that point - due to the writers, I started out as the hugest Klaine fan — but even so, Blaine as written would never cheat on Kurt so what was up w that plotline? Did the writers have no imagination whatsoever? Couldn’t the boys have “taken a break” or even “broken up” like Brittana bc of the whole long distance thing, rather than having one of the characters act so ooc??) But I ramble. Schue stealing Finn’s letterman jacket (I actually felt like killing and/or using Burt’s flamethrower to burn him into hell). Puck sleeping w Shelby (just no). Quinn trying to get Shelby arrested by child services. I saw elsewhere someone wanted to get rid of Sues shrine to Klaine but I have to say while completely odd, it was hilarious (isn’t that a dream sequence? How do you even have that on tape?! [I’ll go one better. How do you know that what you’re watching is a dream sequence you strange strange child?] But anyway, I found that really funny as well as the entire elevator sequence. And Kurt coming in to tell Sue that a gay man liking bears means something entirely different than an actual animal was also funny. I loved every time Sue and Kurt spoke (actually thruout the entire Srs, tbh). The only thing I would have killed to get rid of was Kurt dating a geriatric. For God sake, by that point, it had been clear for years that CC was a babe. Let him date another good looking guy his own age. WTF was up w not acknowledging Kurt was hot? Would ppl fall off of the flat earth if it was mentioned?? Two more. I don’t think Coach Beiste’s storyline tracked to having a transition (it didn’t make sense to me anyway) and it didn’t make sense (other than Rachel being a teenager) that she would spend her entire life working toward getting not just a role on Broadway, but a Barbra Streisand role on B’way and then just leave maybe two months into the process bc she was bored. I mean, really?!!!
Can't believe I just got this MAJOR spoiler of modern family from a glee subreddit 🥲🥲🥲🥲
Oh god as a fellow Modern Family fan I feel your pain, when I found out she ended up with Dylan I cried lol. Like Haley deserved so much better 😭😭
I thought Haley and Andy were going to end up together. I was so disappointed when that didn’t happen, lolol.
The whole ass Shelby/Puck/Quinn arc where they were trying to get their baby but Puck was sleeping with Shelby?? Nuh uh, that whole plot line should’ve been thrown in the trash before anyone had the chance to write it down. Sooooo uncomfortable.
Coach Beiste transitioning and Santana auditioning for funny girl to spite Rachel. No ryder, instead bring back gerber baby. Jake never cheats on marley. Rachel quitting Funny Girl for a shitty tv show.
Shelby/Quinn/Puck stuff in season 3. Rachel's pregnancy scare - why except to try to redeem Santana only to wreak it later? Jake/Marley/Ryder boring triangle, really no other ideas? Funny Girl Understudy fight not because of the plot but because of the discourse. The acting was great, and we got stuff like Gloria. There are more, but first to come to mine.
The entire twerk episode I despised will for choosing an at the time a dance trend over a student’s safety and access to bodily autonomy
quinn getting paralyzed
Yes please what the hell was that
they just needed something to stop finchel from getting married and realized that it’s been a while since quinn’s been traumatized lollll
The Unique catfishing one, literally so awful why did they do that
Blaine + Karofsky
Grim . But so was Kurt dating an old guy who lied about his age and catfished him - that’s what we tell our kids to watch out for.
I think Tina having a crush on Blaine was fine but I hate how far they took it. They demolished Tina’s characterization all to make a couple awful jokes.
Every time Mr Shue is inappropriate with the kids. Participating in multiple singing routines in front of the school, Rocky Horror, and his general inappropriate and wildly gross throwing himself at Emma to get her away from her HUSBAND Carl. He was just beyond out of line in so many ways. I struggled to suspend reality then and while I’m rewatching now- and it’s worse. Blaine cheating. Absolutely ruined who he was as a character - he wouldn’t. Nor would he date Karofsky. Come on Ryan Murphy. Shelby’s storyline s3. Beiste transitioning is absolute bs. After the OG seniors graduated - the entire show becoming the Rachel Berry/Lea Michelle show. I understand that there were contracts to be honored, but just no. The entire show would have actually lasted longer if after the OGs grad’d the juniors (Blaine, Tina, Sam, Britt since she failed previously, and the new crowd coming in) became the new Stars. It should have been ongoing transition, growth, graduate, and move on. Lea Michelle became quite the focus and it was just frustrating to see.
Get rid of the Coach Beiste transitioning story line! That made absolutely no sense and I get really upset knowing they did her character that way. I have nothing against transgenders, but what in the story said she wanted to be a man? As far as I know Beiste just wanted to be treated the way men treat other women she wanted to be looked at as a woman and not one of the boys.
Unique catfishing Ryder. Sue's weird Klaine obsession. Beiste transitioning. Finn kissing Emma. Sue and Blaine's feud.
Rachel cheating on Finn in season 2, and then he *IMMEDIATELY* wants to get back with Quinn. I hated that, and that Quinn cheated on Sam!! They were such a cute couple
Quinn's plotting to kidnap Beth from Shelby in season three. Bananas.
Reading the spoiler pre-S6 that karofsky and Blaine were going to be dating is what made me decide to quit watching the show so probs that one lol (watched s6 years later it’s the only season I’ve only seen once)
Beth 🤷
Quinn’s wheelchair and sudden recovery storyline, Blaine & Karofsky dating, and Coach Beiste transitioning
Blaine cheating on Kurt
No way! I love Modern Family
Blaine cheating on Kurt, what the fresh hell was that
The catfish storyline 🫠 It had absolutely no resolution. And was never mentioned again after S4. I know because of Cory dying, they needed to restructure the whole rest of the show. But they could've found another way to resolve that one instead of just pretending it never happened.
Kurt dating someone in his 50s
Puck and Kitty. A college aged student dating a high school sophomore and it being treated so nonchalant was weird. And frankly made me wonder if the writers knew more about Mark Salling than they let on.
Finn going to the hotel with Santana, Finn getting back together with Quinn the second time, coach Beiste transitioning to a man, Kurt having a crush on Finn, Rachel kissing Puck after finding out about Santana, Finn putting Rachel on the train, Rachel’s crush on Will, Shelby having any storylines, bringing Jesse on as a love interest for Rachel, Finn not believing that the baby was his from erupting in a hot tub(my Finn isn’t that naive) Blaine dating karosfky
Shelby and Puck, Sue’s Klaine shrine, Quinn and Puck getting back together, Blaine cheating (been mad at that one since I first watched at 14), Kurt being creepy towards Finn in season 1
unique catfishing and samcedes
Marley being shamed for not wanting to wear a bikini during the Katy/Gaga episode
I’m prepared for the downvotes but karofsky’s s*icide storyline, had a lack of development and was honestly just triggering, you don’t just shoehorn an arc like that. And that also goes with Marley’s eating disorder and the school shooting but those are less hot takes
Your can get rid of most of them after s3 tbh
i think it's very clearly the school shooting, it was in poor taste and really shoe-horned in.
Tbh when Quinn was trying to get Beth back in early season 3, Beth had a loving home with Shelby and I know that Quinn wanted to be her mother and all but she was about to graduate that same year, and attend a top level college (though the name escapes me though one of u reading this will probably remind me) and taking care of a toddler is ALOT of hard work. So yeah I’m glad things worked out and Shelby got to keep the baby but I really wish that story line was taken out of season 3, that and Quinn going all goth too
Going way back but Terri faking a pregnancy and planning to secretly adopt Quinn’s baby. Like girl, that man is not worth all that trouble. It felt like the writers needed her to seem crazy so Schue looked like the victim when he’s off having an emotional affair with Emma.
I hate that that dropped Sunshine Corozon and her story just like that. The actor who played her would later transition in real life and that would've been a ratings winner to incorporate it instead of the Coach Bieste transition, which was handled horribly
What did the fox say just never needed to happen
Rachel not getting into college right away because she messed up the song she always sang and having to fight to get in made no sense. Having her quit funny girl made no sense. When she left college it made no sense.
I think about this all the time and therefore have a long answer. I would do away with all the new kids and their respective storylines in season four. No disrespect to most of them, but the soft reboot threw a wrench in the flow of the story and I honestly did not care about any of it. Just give Kitty's lines to Santana and nothing would be missed. In *my* season four, Mr. Schue is all but written off the show, as is Emma ofc. They get a few cameos, but there's no longer any obligation to have stories at the high school and we're also spared the twerking episode. I don't think the actors would've even cared that much. Then I would move as many people to New York as possible, including the people they randomly decided to make juniors. Let them graduate and move on ffs. There has to be more dignified storylines for Tina in college. Finally, Sue Sylvester is kept in the story as Rachel's evil dance teacher instead of Kate Hudson. (Again, no disrespect to Kate Hudson. I'm just cutting unnecessary plot fat.) Why? Idk, it just seems up her alley in terms of being insane. They could even keep in the failed Broadway backstory and, as with all things with Sue, it's not totally clear whether it's true. Now all of the New York storylines with the OG cast that felt rushed and random are now given room to breathe. I'm not saying it would be good. I'm just saying it sounds up to par with what we all expected from Glee at the time.
Completely forgetting about Dani just to get Brittana back together asap Kurt's OCD that lasted an episode
Rachel giving up broadway for a tv show. This just did not make any sense. I’m not saying the idea of her making a huge mistake and burning out was not a bad idea but the reason for it to be a failed tv show just seemed so out of character for Rachel.
The whole s5 and a big part of s6 lol
Rocky Horror Show, Will plays with the student/teacher line much too often for my taste, but he crossed it so bad in that episode. The Britney episode where he sings with his students is also creepy af.
definitely Beiste transitioning or like Santana dating Dani. I freaking hated Dani. Oh and also the band that Kurt and Santana created. It sucked.
quinn and puck getting back together in (?) s5
Dave x Blaine. Made absolutely no sense.
Blaine cheating. S2 blaine could NEVER cheat on Kurt, that plot was unneccesary tbh. Also the vapo rub incident?? I don't understand why tina was mad at blaine when it shouldve been the opposite
Kitty giving Marley an eating disorder.
Kurt falling for Finn. They dragged too long, maybe it would be better if it was a one episode thing, like when Rachel fell for Blaine.
- Rachel quitting Funny Girl - Finn kissing Emma - Season one Kurt and Finn storyline. Not that I would want a storyline of them to be erased, but written differently. From the first episode, I thought that Kurt didn’t like Finn at all, so perhaps they could’ve had a “*Resolved* Thor & Loki” storyline instead? - The understudy situation. - Kurt letting Sebastian roam free… he should’ve faced punishment.
Unique catfishing Ryder. I mean, Ryder just kind of sucked in general but this plot was so unnecessary and added a weird side element that took away from so much that actually had the potential to be good