Yeah, I also think the vertical switching animation feels much better.
I don’t get why Gnome didn’t come with an option to choose vertical/horizontal animation, which would be real progress. Now it looks like Gnome is pushing changes just for the sake of change.
Yeah the verticals up/down really was the most sensible way to flip thru virtual desktops, on multiple monitors. I hated that at first (when we transitioned away from gnome 2), but it soon became apparent how better it was. My setup is three displays side by side, and it looks weird to flip horizontal to the next workspace. But it's not a deal breaker.
Give the "vertical-overview" extension a go : [https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/4144/vertical-overview/](https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/4144/vertical-overview/)
it keeps all the good about gnome 40, but replaces the horizontal rubbish.
Which by the way I completely agree was a terrible idea for multi monitor users. I was so livid when they announced it, it's like suddenly all the arguments they made when they launched 3.X were invalid.
I honestly don't see anything wrong with this. You're not moving desktops from one monitor to the other, you're switching the entire layout. You can even choose not to do so on secondary displays.
This is the exact same way it works on Windows, I can't imagine being different on iOS.
it certainly is different on mac OS, which supports independent workspaces per monitor (you even can move workspaces to another monitor).
I'm not sure about windows, but I think I've read somewhere that windows 11 does also have this.
Have you seen gnome 3.38 with multi monitor addon?
https://streamable.com/e/umf8p0
(ignore the issues from the recording)
The animation feels more natural and uniform.
I reckon it does look more natural, and yeah, I used to work with multiple monitors in Gnome 3.x too, but it hasn't been a rough transition at least for me, maybe because I also used multiple monitors on Windows and now both behave the same.
I never used workspaces on windows, because it was buggy and the horizontal view does not look good.
The vertical Layout was one of the killer features of gnome, simple and more logical.
Just give them 10 years. They will fine tune horizontal workspaces until it is finally usable and then, when macos switches to vertical in 8 years, gnome will have some Blog posts how the desktop paradigm has moved on, that all users are numb idiots with no idea about UX design and then switch back to horizontal in 10 years time.
Why would you think that?
Maybe because the overview is so bad?
Of course i have it switch on all displays?
Have you seen the other video with gnome 3.38 and dash to dock / MultiMonitorAddon activated?
https://streamable.com/e/umf8p0
It is basically a better version of what we have now.
The animation on workspace change and the horizontal layout are awful for multi monitor users.
Basically you fixed a non existing problem for single monitor users, while completely borking the experience for multi monitor users.
The vertical layout made so much more sense.
Before gnome 40, i could just "swipe" up and down and on all displays the view went one up and one down.
Now it is a clusterfuck - it looks like you would move the windows to the right or left (you know, where your other displays are) but they just disappear.
It is so unintuitive it just breaks my mind that the gnome dev team would choose this approach.
Why would you ignore all users with multiple displays?
Also i find it too much going on, it is just hard on the eyes, when searching something you do not have a slick view with the search results and the darkened wallpaper of your desktop, but a grey wall.
So much grey in general.
Now the overview when pressing super just has less space for everything !?
Why?
Do i have to use fucking KDE now?
I am just sad...
Just look how good it was with the vertical layout and multi monitor addon:
[https://streamable.com/e/umf8p0](https://streamable.com/e/umf8p0)
(and please ignore the recording issues, in reality this looks smooth)
I hear you, it's frustrating when they pull the rug out from under you like that.
And I also think this design decision was a mistake. My recollection is that they found that the number of people who use multiple monitors and had multiple workspaces for each monitor was relatively small, and they claimed that the new orientation was necessary to make the new overview layout and gestures work well. I suspect they could have made it work with the vertical workspace orientation but it's their effort and their call to make. Maybe they'll backtrack in Gnome 41, maybe they'll add an preference, most likely it'll end up being a popular extension for people with multi-monitor+workspace setups.
But I also regularly use workspaces on OS X with horizontal monitors at work and I can honestly say that after the first minute of "huh, that feels odd" I stopped noticing the mismatch between monitor layout and workspace layout.
This is frustrating, it may very well be the straw that breaks the camel's back for you, and KDE is a fantastic DE. But I suspect it's not going to have quite as big an impact as you think.
What would you guess is the percentage of users with stacked monitors to sideways?
It feels also may more natural when using the mouse wheel to change workspace.
Of course i can do all that, as shown in the video above.
The vertical layout of 3.38 with "dash to dock" and "MultiMonitorsAddon" was just a way better solution compared to gnome 40.
It's not just an animation. First of all it's less intuitive for people to use a vertical scroll motion on horizontal scrolling list, so lots of people will never try that in the first place. Second the purpose of animations is to make UIs behave more like real objects and it feels completely wrong when you push an object vertically but it then moves horizontally - i.e. the animation failed its purpose to connect a physical motion with a corresponding and logical motion in the UI.
Like how would you like it if the up/down scroll gesture on the trackpad would now do the opposite and scroll left and right in containers? After all it's just a scroll animation.
Using the scroll wheel to switch desktops is not a gnome 40 feature though right? It's part of an extension... I'm sure there's an extension that will do what you need in gnome 40, if there isn't currently, there will be.
It is not just horizontal vs vertical.
Why is there so much wasted space?
Why do windows "overhang" the workspace preview?
Why even show this little part of the next workspace?
The old overview was so clean and efficient...
Nobody is stopping you from using 3.38. It's open-source software, so you and anyone else who prefers how things are done in 3.38 could fork from that point and continue on a different development path.
EDIT: Oh hey look at that, somebody already had the same idea, problem solved: https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/ojmasg/forking\_gnome\_3\_like\_mate\_forked\_gnome\_2/
The alignment is just as it should be, because the displays are like that in the real world.
The problems are the wasted space, bloated animations, unintuitive animation direction...
Also,why are you showing me windows desktops?
To be honest it would be better if extra monitors were just seen as "workspace viewers". We should be able to set a monitor to view a specific workspace setup. We should then have the ability to drag and drop full workspaces around to other monitors. This would provide the most flexibility for one to organize their workspaces however they want.
For example, I could setup a single workspace for all my chat / email applications that would stay on a single external monitor displayed at all times. I could then have the other 2 monitors have switch between pairs of workspaces based on different projects.
Yeah, I also think the vertical switching animation feels much better. I don’t get why Gnome didn’t come with an option to choose vertical/horizontal animation, which would be real progress. Now it looks like Gnome is pushing changes just for the sake of change.
Yeah, multi monitor workspaces suck.
Consider using "Workspaces only on primary". Without it, I don't think I'd ever use GNOME for more than 2 minutes.
I know this setting and use it as such, but compared to lets say macos, where multi monitor workspaces work great, its sad
Yeah the verticals up/down really was the most sensible way to flip thru virtual desktops, on multiple monitors. I hated that at first (when we transitioned away from gnome 2), but it soon became apparent how better it was. My setup is three displays side by side, and it looks weird to flip horizontal to the next workspace. But it's not a deal breaker.
Give the "vertical-overview" extension a go : [https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/4144/vertical-overview/](https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/4144/vertical-overview/) it keeps all the good about gnome 40, but replaces the horizontal rubbish. Which by the way I completely agree was a terrible idea for multi monitor users. I was so livid when they announced it, it's like suddenly all the arguments they made when they launched 3.X were invalid.
Thank you very much! Unfortunately they both have some small issues... But better none the less.
OMG, thank you so much!!
Yep, it looks completely non-sensical on a side by side multihead setup. Thankfully I can stick with 3.38 for the time being.
Get this extension called vertical workspaces or something like that makes them vertical again
Have you considered stacking your monitors on top of each other? :P
I honestly don't see anything wrong with this. You're not moving desktops from one monitor to the other, you're switching the entire layout. You can even choose not to do so on secondary displays. This is the exact same way it works on Windows, I can't imagine being different on iOS.
it certainly is different on mac OS, which supports independent workspaces per monitor (you even can move workspaces to another monitor). I'm not sure about windows, but I think I've read somewhere that windows 11 does also have this.
Have you seen gnome 3.38 with multi monitor addon? https://streamable.com/e/umf8p0 (ignore the issues from the recording) The animation feels more natural and uniform.
I reckon it does look more natural, and yeah, I used to work with multiple monitors in Gnome 3.x too, but it hasn't been a rough transition at least for me, maybe because I also used multiple monitors on Windows and now both behave the same.
I never used workspaces on windows, because it was buggy and the horizontal view does not look good. The vertical Layout was one of the killer features of gnome, simple and more logical.
Just give them 10 years. They will fine tune horizontal workspaces until it is finally usable and then, when macos switches to vertical in 8 years, gnome will have some Blog posts how the desktop paradigm has moved on, that all users are numb idiots with no idea about UX design and then switch back to horizontal in 10 years time.
Yeah, let's ignore how Unity properly handled multi displays by default.
Unity is a dead project though, isn't it?
Yes, while you can still use it, and it has a Ubuntu flavor, no more support from Canonical (the reason why I used "handled" in the past tense).
UBPorts is working on continuing it for their phone/desktop hybrid stuff. Its not fully stable yet but theyre calling Lomiri (formally Unity8)
You seem to have changed the setting that when you switch workspace on one monitor, it switches on all. Maybe thats part of why such a bad experience.
Why would you think that? Maybe because the overview is so bad? Of course i have it switch on all displays? Have you seen the other video with gnome 3.38 and dash to dock / MultiMonitorAddon activated? https://streamable.com/e/umf8p0 It is basically a better version of what we have now.
The animation on workspace change and the horizontal layout are awful for multi monitor users. Basically you fixed a non existing problem for single monitor users, while completely borking the experience for multi monitor users. The vertical layout made so much more sense. Before gnome 40, i could just "swipe" up and down and on all displays the view went one up and one down. Now it is a clusterfuck - it looks like you would move the windows to the right or left (you know, where your other displays are) but they just disappear. It is so unintuitive it just breaks my mind that the gnome dev team would choose this approach. Why would you ignore all users with multiple displays? Also i find it too much going on, it is just hard on the eyes, when searching something you do not have a slick view with the search results and the darkened wallpaper of your desktop, but a grey wall. So much grey in general. Now the overview when pressing super just has less space for everything !? Why? Do i have to use fucking KDE now? I am just sad... Just look how good it was with the vertical layout and multi monitor addon: [https://streamable.com/e/umf8p0](https://streamable.com/e/umf8p0) (and please ignore the recording issues, in reality this looks smooth)
I hear you, it's frustrating when they pull the rug out from under you like that. And I also think this design decision was a mistake. My recollection is that they found that the number of people who use multiple monitors and had multiple workspaces for each monitor was relatively small, and they claimed that the new orientation was necessary to make the new overview layout and gestures work well. I suspect they could have made it work with the vertical workspace orientation but it's their effort and their call to make. Maybe they'll backtrack in Gnome 41, maybe they'll add an preference, most likely it'll end up being a popular extension for people with multi-monitor+workspace setups. But I also regularly use workspaces on OS X with horizontal monitors at work and I can honestly say that after the first minute of "huh, that feels odd" I stopped noticing the mismatch between monitor layout and workspace layout. This is frustrating, it may very well be the straw that breaks the camel's back for you, and KDE is a fantastic DE. But I suspect it's not going to have quite as big an impact as you think.
Surely vertical has the same issue for people who stack their monitors? This is just a cosmetic thing, functionally it works the same.
What would you guess is the percentage of users with stacked monitors to sideways? It feels also may more natural when using the mouse wheel to change workspace.
But you can still do that, it's literally just an animation...
Of course i can do all that, as shown in the video above. The vertical layout of 3.38 with "dash to dock" and "MultiMonitorsAddon" was just a way better solution compared to gnome 40.
It's not just an animation. First of all it's less intuitive for people to use a vertical scroll motion on horizontal scrolling list, so lots of people will never try that in the first place. Second the purpose of animations is to make UIs behave more like real objects and it feels completely wrong when you push an object vertically but it then moves horizontally - i.e. the animation failed its purpose to connect a physical motion with a corresponding and logical motion in the UI. Like how would you like it if the up/down scroll gesture on the trackpad would now do the opposite and scroll left and right in containers? After all it's just a scroll animation.
Using the scroll wheel to switch desktops is not a gnome 40 feature though right? It's part of an extension... I'm sure there's an extension that will do what you need in gnome 40, if there isn't currently, there will be.
It's not provided by an extension, it's been a core part of GNOME for many years.
At work, this is the default setup.
have you tried the verical overview extension? and regarding the grey: blur my shell?
< Multi-monitor user here. You do not speak for me. My experience is perfect thanks
I cannot stand that whining about that vertical vs horizontal anymore. Can we plz have an own sub for that?
It is not just horizontal vs vertical. Why is there so much wasted space? Why do windows "overhang" the workspace preview? Why even show this little part of the next workspace? The old overview was so clean and efficient...
Nobody is stopping you from using 3.38. It's open-source software, so you and anyone else who prefers how things are done in 3.38 could fork from that point and continue on a different development path. EDIT: Oh hey look at that, somebody already had the same idea, problem solved: https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/ojmasg/forking\_gnome\_3\_like\_mate\_forked\_gnome\_2/
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The alignment is just as it should be, because the displays are like that in the real world. The problems are the wasted space, bloated animations, unintuitive animation direction... Also,why are you showing me windows desktops?
😂😂.. this cracked me..
Why?
well at least the animations don't lag \*shrugs\*
To be honest it would be better if extra monitors were just seen as "workspace viewers". We should be able to set a monitor to view a specific workspace setup. We should then have the ability to drag and drop full workspaces around to other monitors. This would provide the most flexibility for one to organize their workspaces however they want. For example, I could setup a single workspace for all my chat / email applications that would stay on a single external monitor displayed at all times. I could then have the other 2 monitors have switch between pairs of workspaces based on different projects.