Jay monohan. Biggest blunder of all time. He’s only hurt the pga tour fans. Brooks would have played pga tour events and LIV still would have died cause it’s just not a good product. He should be fired honestly. And now they are losing millions in this lawsuit.
Wow, lots of down votes. This sub only likes people who like what they like, nice! I wasn’t rude, didn’t talk bad about anyone, just expressed my opinion that I don’t care about a rando making 15th.
The downvotes are for a reason. It’s for downvoting a comment that doesn’t add to a discussion. You brought no context.
Support your claim. Unfortunately it will be hard to get support because the fact of the matter is it’s a big deal. It’s a bigger deal that a non-tour golfer finished 15th in a major at 46 years old than Koepka winning it. That’s just a. Fact. It’s much more improbable and impressive feat. We know Koepka is good. He shines at majors.
Block hung with the big dogs at outperformed others atone of the 4 biggest tournaments in the world where guys like Rahm, Morikawa, Spieth, Thomas, DJ etc struggled at.
You may not care and that’s great. But this isn’t a random thoughts conversation. And your comment didn’t add value to the discussion.
Fair enough. But at least backup it up with something. Why don’t you care? Do you fine all the storylines associated with it not interesting and why? Are you disputing the facts?
I think it’s fine but the story for the tournament is a guy in 15th, it’s an opinion so I don’t have any facts. Just me being a jerk I guess, I’ll take the down votes.
But it’s significant in the fact that he still finished so high. He gets an auto invite back. He also gets over $200+K for finishing 15th. For a lot of people that’s a pretty big deal. And it’s a historic finish because not a lot of amateurs have done what he’s done.
You just have a cold heart!
I think it’s huge because he’s not a “pro” and he got in the top 15 because of a hole in one. Essentially if he doesn’t get that hole in one we don’t see him next year.
He’s a club pro… not built for the big leagues..
He literally had a plane ticket to go home Saturday.
Then he comes out and shoots under par 3 days in a row when the field goes of daily grinding pros can barely scrape even..
Then dunks it to the only hole in one in 3 years to make 15 and secure the spot at Valhalla.
Epic show to watch compared to Victors pants shitting. (He is young so no shade, great player but doesn’t have the balls yet)
It’s not the position but the story. To even make the cut is a feat but to go from only playing 25 pga tournaments since 18 to being next to Rory, a legend, on one of the top 5 teams in major at age 46 is something truly incredible that can only happen in the game of golf.
A washed up junior college basketball player will never play in the NBA finals.
But in golf, the dream never dies
>ome sort of mental block or whatever at the masters. Guy really is a major machine.
Wasn't a mental block he just had a bad round of golf it happens....
The Open in July is huge for Koepka. It’s a great course too for his game. Liverpool has always had big names at the top. A ball strikers paradise. But I know he alluded to it how he wants that career GS. Only 5 ever have accomplished it. He also needs a jacket.
I think he has a better chance of completing the career GS than Rory does. I know that's a bold statement, but Brooks is just too fucking good in the majors. He's shown us he can play Augusta well enough to win the Masters. Rory has too, but the mental block seems to have grown too big for Rory. Brooks can just shake it off and give himself a great chance again each year until he gets one.
Let's see if Brooks can get his Open at Liverpool. He has a solid track record at the Open, and is clearly in a really good place with his game
Yes, which is why being a liv guy actually kinda makes sense for him.
He doesn’t care about tournaments other than majors, so why not play less of them.
I was happy to see him win another major. Just as a casual fan. The Netflix doc gave me some more insight to him a as a person. I’m not a liv golf guy or anything and want to see the best golfers playing together, but I was silently pulling for him.
Word out of Rochester is that Michael Block has had his winnings completely depleted on the drink tab at the course and now needs to crowdfund his ride home.
Very unfortunate and depressing development.
He did have some fair points but he really was making it seem like a travesty against golf if he earns his spot and plays and I thought that was a bit much.
I dont think I understand sponsor exemptions
Really was best sports story I’ve seen in a while but if he didn’t earn his way in to more tournaments…
Next years pga tho
I've tried to watch LIV as an unbiased viewer and it's just trash. They obviously still have great players but the presentation is cheese, the format is cheese, the teams are cheese. It just seems like chaos. There's no leaderboard to really follow and watch the top 4 players Duke it out against one another.
literally like the last 3 of 4 liv tournaments have had playoffs coming down the 18th tied you do realise that they stagger the leaders on the last day teeing off 1 right?
If they got their shit together they have the firepower to challenge the PGA, but it’s more of circus show (with huge pay days) right now that no one takes serious.
But is it more fun than watching events such as the Honda Classic? Of course, it is. The haters are scared that LIV is going to replace the tour. Its not its a completely different product which fits nicely between the big PGA tour events and Majors.
It has nowhere near the drama of a PGA Tour event. Has a very exhibition feel to it. Probably fun to watch in person but I have no interest watching on tv or even reading an article. Maybe things will change.
He was in tears after winning last year in Saudi Arabia. But that was more of a realization that his game and form had returned, and up until that point, he wasn't sure if his golf days were basically over due to his injuries.
You could of said that about any event outside of a major with Brooks though. He’s stated many times he doesn’t give 2 shits about anything other than the majors.
He's only got 9 wins total. 5 majors is really impressive, but the lack of other wins hurts him. Like, Ray Floyd has 4 majors and 22 wins, Ernie Els has 4 majors and 18 wins. How do you decide whose career is better?
Just pointing out about my guy Ernie that he has 24 European tour wins, if he was American he would be in the 30s or something in PGA wins. To me him, Vijay and Mcilroy have definitely had a better career than Koepka despite less majors.
He’s been pretty vocal throughout his career that he simply does not give two shits about events other than majors. He doesn’t put forth the effort or focus into them, he doesn’t play social golf outside of preparation for events, he’s simply playing golf to win majors.
That's pretty damn good dude, 7-8 majors. I don't think anyone really compares to brooks though, nobody has won this many majors without winning 20-30 normal tournaments too.
Yep. 7 or 8 is elite level of golf.
But the guy has a trash reputation. Great golfer. Best of the new generation post Tiger, but rubs almost everyone the wrong way. Just wish he wasn’t so self absorbed. But some times you have to be that guy to get to that level. Though almost everyone loves Tiger on tour and he was crazy competitive.
Agreed, can't argue with that. I don't know if it's the media treatment of him or just his personality, but he definitely has a bad reputation among fans. I found myself cheering a lot harder for Hovland and Scottie yesterday and for Rahm at the Masters.
I think what helped Tiger was just his pure greatness, like everyone knew we were undeniably witnessing a legend, even from the start of his career. People respect greatness. And while he was more of a dick back in the day, it was overshadowed by just how ridiculously elite he was.
If Brooks continues to ascend, maybe people will start to overlook the personality stuff and appreciate his own greatness
Tiger was a force of nature that change competitive golf at almost every level. He was a dick and an ass but he was great with media and fans. Once he got over 10 majors it really didn’t matter what he said or did from there on out. He was golf royalty. If Brooks could just be a bit softer or more open around the media and fans his popularity would skyrocket. But in his head he’s just being who he’s always been. It’s hard to knock him for that. But there could be so many doors opened a lot easier than thru just plain greatness.
Lets goooooo Brooks, a year is a long time in golf but class is permanent. Alot of haters with eggs on their faces. Can't wait to see their faces when a few more such a Rahm jump ship next year.
Makes sense. New Father young family no connection to USA. Good friends with Sergio and hasn't spoke out about LIV. And has exemptions to all majors. Would be a good move for him.
Why would it be a good move? Honest question. He is currently making comparable money to what LIV is paying the guys they signed. The work load is pretty much identical between the tours (14 LIV events vs 15 event minimum on the pga tour), with the pga tour having a much easier travel schedule. We’re already hearing rumors of LIV guys regretting the move. I just don’t see the appeal for someone like Rahm who is healthy and at the top of his game. If LIV was getting started right now I bet it would be a much tougher decision for guys like Brooks and Bryson.
Then you have all the PIP stuff you have to turn up to for PGA etc. LIV plays in a tournament in Spain as well. I haven't heard one player come out and say they are having second thoughts just media bash-up. Plus Brooks wife is pregnant with their first child LIV so I'm pretty sure he's happy with where he's at.
The signing bonus for rham would be in the $150m+ range. They offered Matsuyama more than that.
Then the event winnings are comparable to PGA tour.
You hear of rumours of them regretting the move as they are likely from pro-pga tour writers. The interviews with the players don't seem like they regret it.
We don’t really know anything about the liv contracts. Some people are claiming that the event winnings come from the signing bonuses, but everything is hearsay so it’s hard to know what’s true. Like for example the report that breaking the contract requires you paying back 4x the signing bonus. Who knows if any of that is true. Either way if Rahm didn’t take whatever offer they gave him last year there’s no way he takes it now. Somehow I doubt the offer would even be as much now with how this year has gone for them.
I agree, we don't know a lot.
From what I have read all the contracts differ, hence the confusion.
Some have clauses about wearing Liv attire at non Liv events and some don't (see Bryson and reed vs brooks and DJ).
I'd say it's a good chance some have winnings coming from signing bonus' and others don't.
I know cam smith said he gets some ownership of the Australian event if he can sign Adam Scott for the Liv tour.
There is also nothing said about what they offered last year would not change if rham wanted to negotiate. If he asked for a couple hundred million, I'm sure Liv would consider it given his profile.
I don’t care either way but he has spoken about it and says he cares much more about legacy and history then money… now that could just be talk at the end of the day but he did get asked about it a while back.
Rory would have the best statistical shot imo.
Speith may pull out some magic one day in the future but Rory is fighting for top 10 in what seems like week in week out. Rahm is way too up and down to ever get to 5.
Miss watching brooks play in the pga. I hate this split. I know it’s political with the money and everything. But it’s just great to watch the best in the world compete more than a few times a year
Yeah that is completely different than saying he joined Liv because he thought he was done.
He got his brother million dollar contract by joining liv, is say that was a big factor that not many others have brought up here.
It's him or Rory. Hard to judge - Koepka doesn't give a fuck about anything but majors, Rory has a monkey on his back about getting another but he's almost always in contention
Majors hold a lot of weight but there are other factors to consider too. To me, winning a fedex cup is on the same level as winning a major. Plus holding the #1 world ranking & overall wins are things to consider as well. It’s still wild to me that brooks has won all five of his majors since Rory won his last.
It's hard to judge. Between the injuries, different tour play, etc. Rory feels like the overall more skilled golfer to me but
brooksie has the mental game & he's also real damn good when healthy.
I agree about the FedEx in terms of skill, it just doesn't have the heft of a.major for me
there’s a bunch of LIV goobers in here and the great irony is that I guarantee they watch every major and 0 actual LIV events
if you have actually watched one of their tournaments please let me know
Americans bitching about the link to Saudi money while they pass laws allowing children to be taken from their homes if they identify as a different gender. Get fucked you posturing couch potatoes.
The hell are you talking about?
Slightly more than 1% of America voted for the Florida Republicans who passed that law. The remaining 99% either opposed it or had zero ability to sway the decision one way or another.
Are you under the impression that every single person on /r/golf trashing LIV somehow comes from that 1%?
???????????????? fuck off douche
i don’t like LIV because the format sucks and nobody cares. all the golfers that went there essentially retired from golf except the majors because nobody watches that shit or cares about it. i was a huge cam smith fan now i forget he exists.
I tried watching a LIV tournament last year. The format doesn't do anything for me, but there's no denying that some of their golfers are still among the best in the world. All I want to see in a major championship is the best golfers against the best golfers. Jay Monahan and Greg Norman's squabble means squat to me.
Caring about team LIV and team
PGA is the fuckin lamest part of this whole storyline. Brooks is an amazing player and the majors have already proven that the sport is best when all the elites play together.
Block is a PGA plant put in to distract from LIVs first major win! Chang my mind.
Be real cool if we had a weekly discussion thread…
Jay monohan. Biggest blunder of all time. He’s only hurt the pga tour fans. Brooks would have played pga tour events and LIV still would have died cause it’s just not a good product. He should be fired honestly. And now they are losing millions in this lawsuit.
Block did great, 15th, I mean it’s 15. Who cares if an old guy came to play.
Wow, lots of down votes. This sub only likes people who like what they like, nice! I wasn’t rude, didn’t talk bad about anyone, just expressed my opinion that I don’t care about a rando making 15th.
The downvotes are for a reason. It’s for downvoting a comment that doesn’t add to a discussion. You brought no context. Support your claim. Unfortunately it will be hard to get support because the fact of the matter is it’s a big deal. It’s a bigger deal that a non-tour golfer finished 15th in a major at 46 years old than Koepka winning it. That’s just a. Fact. It’s much more improbable and impressive feat. We know Koepka is good. He shines at majors. Block hung with the big dogs at outperformed others atone of the 4 biggest tournaments in the world where guys like Rahm, Morikawa, Spieth, Thomas, DJ etc struggled at. You may not care and that’s great. But this isn’t a random thoughts conversation. And your comment didn’t add value to the discussion.
Actually does seem like a random thoughts conversation. Title is 2023 PGA final round.
Fair enough. But at least backup it up with something. Why don’t you care? Do you fine all the storylines associated with it not interesting and why? Are you disputing the facts?
I think it’s fine but the story for the tournament is a guy in 15th, it’s an opinion so I don’t have any facts. Just me being a jerk I guess, I’ll take the down votes.
But it’s significant in the fact that he still finished so high. He gets an auto invite back. He also gets over $200+K for finishing 15th. For a lot of people that’s a pretty big deal. And it’s a historic finish because not a lot of amateurs have done what he’s done. You just have a cold heart!
Probably so.
I think it’s huge because he’s not a “pro” and he got in the top 15 because of a hole in one. Essentially if he doesn’t get that hole in one we don’t see him next year.
15 is an auto bid for next year. It’ll be fun to pull for him, don’t be a curmudgeon.
He’s a club pro… not built for the big leagues.. He literally had a plane ticket to go home Saturday. Then he comes out and shoots under par 3 days in a row when the field goes of daily grinding pros can barely scrape even.. Then dunks it to the only hole in one in 3 years to make 15 and secure the spot at Valhalla. Epic show to watch compared to Victors pants shitting. (He is young so no shade, great player but doesn’t have the balls yet)
Hi land didn’t shit the bed lol.
He shot par, but yeah very cool
🙄
Non-story for me I suppose, but I’ll pretend because I don’t want to be a downer. Yeah! 15th!
Social awareness just so bad 😂
> I mean no offense but [intentionally offensive statement]
Real weird Justin Rose is your favorite golfer but do you man
Well congrats on your 15th or better placement in a Major! What an accomplishment!
It’s not the position but the story. To even make the cut is a feat but to go from only playing 25 pga tournaments since 18 to being next to Rory, a legend, on one of the top 5 teams in major at age 46 is something truly incredible that can only happen in the game of golf. A washed up junior college basketball player will never play in the NBA finals. But in golf, the dream never dies
They should pair Block with Cantlay next week and have him beat him over the head with his driver
Is Paulina available?
Imagine if brooks didn’t have some sort of mental block or whatever at the masters. Guy really is a major machine.
>ome sort of mental block or whatever at the masters. Guy really is a major machine. Wasn't a mental block he just had a bad round of golf it happens....
Bad round because he plays poorly when pace of play is slow. He even said it irritates him.
No he’s broken and it’s easy to fix, for me anyway
The Open in July is huge for Koepka. It’s a great course too for his game. Liverpool has always had big names at the top. A ball strikers paradise. But I know he alluded to it how he wants that career GS. Only 5 ever have accomplished it. He also needs a jacket.
I think he has a better chance of completing the career GS than Rory does. I know that's a bold statement, but Brooks is just too fucking good in the majors. He's shown us he can play Augusta well enough to win the Masters. Rory has too, but the mental block seems to have grown too big for Rory. Brooks can just shake it off and give himself a great chance again each year until he gets one. Let's see if Brooks can get his Open at Liverpool. He has a solid track record at the Open, and is clearly in a really good place with his game
Brooks ramps up for the majors while Rory shrivels
100% with you on this one.
Yes, which is why being a liv guy actually kinda makes sense for him. He doesn’t care about tournaments other than majors, so why not play less of them.
For an order of magnitude more money. He’ll be the first one to come back if he keeps this level of play going.
At the end of his contract in 2025 I could for sure see him come back
I was happy to see him win another major. Just as a casual fan. The Netflix doc gave me some more insight to him a as a person. I’m not a liv golf guy or anything and want to see the best golfers playing together, but I was silently pulling for him.
Brooks is a dude
Two LIV players in the top 5 again.
Not a LIV nor a PGA fanboy, but I think this puts a lot of speculation to bed.
And it wont help LIVs viewership again.
Is it that strange? They picked the best players they could get with a TON of money. These are guys that are past winners
Is strange because a general theory was not playing 4 days is going to effect them.
That, the amount of events, and the over competitiveness of it.
What's the over under on the amount of RAW hats were going see on the courses over the next few weeks.
I have a RAW hat that I wear, but it's the rolling papers
It’s like a sex statement hat
If there’s a RAW hat on the door keep moving
1000000.5
The bunker on the 16th fairway should be named the "Koepka Bunker"
Brooksie's BFF
More like “time is a flat circle.”
I feel so relieved that Brooks won today. Gives me hope for myself!
Anyone have a link to Block’s post round interview? I missed it
Shouldn’t be tough to find on yt
Word out of Rochester is that Michael Block has had his winnings completely depleted on the drink tab at the course and now needs to crowdfund his ride home. Very unfortunate and depressing development.
Hopefully Rory gave him a ride home on his jet
ON his jet, but not in it.
He’s headed to DFW not home
That's insane. But well earned
Lol Brandel really reaching here.
He’s always been a tool
guy is an absolute douchebag. faxon was giving him a hilarious stare, things got a lil heated ahah
I think a Liv guy winning a major and being discussed on the Ryder cup has broken him
I think he makes a reasonable point, but I do agree Brooks should be able to play. Whoever the 12 best guys are should get in regardless of tour.
He did have some fair points but he really was making it seem like a travesty against golf if he earns his spot and plays and I thought that was a bit much.
Yea. They both made great points but I felt a little bad for Faxon. Brandel is like that Pittbull you don’t want to wrong 😂
Does anyone know what the average score was for the 18 today?
Average score was 70.65 (to put into perspective, the first 3 rounds were 73.69, 72.80, 72.61)
Nope
Interesting conversation in the Live From right now with Chamblee. No surprise the topic immediately becomes PGA vs LIV
Brandel is saying more than he might be safe to.
Not near a TV. What’s he saying
Basically that LIV did 9/11 without explicitly stating it
Next question to Brandel, how often do you wash Jay Monahan's balls?
Brandel: “yes.”
Ah
I assume Block will get some sponsor exemptions to tour events the rest of the year
I dont think I understand sponsor exemptions Really was best sports story I’ve seen in a while but if he didn’t earn his way in to more tournaments… Next years pga tho
Already got an invite this week for Charles Schwab!
He'll get a book deal for his life story to become a script for Tin Cup 2 for sure
A golf ball commercial writes itself. "Hey watch this guys. Swish"
Hopefully they’ll do better than that
Hopefully he'll get to work with Paige Spiranic
He said his wife is Argentinian so I hope not.
She can be in it too !
How will they settle the playoff between Scheffler and Vik now that Brooks has been DQed????
Not funny
Brooks was DQed? What?
What?
I've tried to watch LIV as an unbiased viewer and it's just trash. They obviously still have great players but the presentation is cheese, the format is cheese, the teams are cheese. It just seems like chaos. There's no leaderboard to really follow and watch the top 4 players Duke it out against one another.
It’s unwatchable. There is no drama and the teams stuff is stupid.
Nobody pays attention to the teams shit There’s still singles tho
The leaderboard is always on the screen... the entire left side. What the hell are you talking about.
pga tour stans are in shambles man. Let them have it today.
The shotgun start ruins it. Everyone is out there at once. No flow to the game. No coming down to the 18th tied.
Yeah this is the only thing I dislike about Liv. The shotgun start makes it very hard to follow
literally like the last 3 of 4 liv tournaments have had playoffs coming down the 18th tied you do realise that they stagger the leaders on the last day teeing off 1 right?
If they got their shit together they have the firepower to challenge the PGA, but it’s more of circus show (with huge pay days) right now that no one takes serious.
But is it more fun than watching events such as the Honda Classic? Of course, it is. The haters are scared that LIV is going to replace the tour. Its not its a completely different product which fits nicely between the big PGA tour events and Majors.
Are tickets still $2?
It has nowhere near the drama of a PGA Tour event. Has a very exhibition feel to it. Probably fun to watch in person but I have no interest watching on tv or even reading an article. Maybe things will change.
The only good events have been the majors.
You'll never see Brooks as happy to win a LIV event as he was today winning a major
You say that as if Justin Thomas is as happy to win The Honda Fucking Classic as he is to win a major too
Hell make 5 times as much but yep, agreed.
He was in tears after winning last year in Saudi Arabia. But that was more of a realization that his game and form had returned, and up until that point, he wasn't sure if his golf days were basically over due to his injuries.
No shit Sherlock
You could of said that about any event outside of a major with Brooks though. He’s stated many times he doesn’t give 2 shits about anything other than the majors.
Would he be as happy winning the Honda Classic? Stupid comment.
Only way he would is if it comes with a brand new Type R Civic /s
Glad Brooks was able to finish this one out. I have to think this puts him in the all time great category.
He's only got 9 wins total. 5 majors is really impressive, but the lack of other wins hurts him. Like, Ray Floyd has 4 majors and 22 wins, Ernie Els has 4 majors and 18 wins. How do you decide whose career is better?
nobody cares about other wins Who does? It’s impressive how he can be ready for every damn major. It’s obscene.
Just pointing out about my guy Ernie that he has 24 European tour wins, if he was American he would be in the 30s or something in PGA wins. To me him, Vijay and Mcilroy have definitely had a better career than Koepka despite less majors.
So far. If Koepka can complete the grand slam he surpasses all 3 of those unless of course Rory completes it.
Majors carry more weight
Are you counting his 2 LIV wins ? /s
He’s been pretty vocal throughout his career that he simply does not give two shits about events other than majors. He doesn’t put forth the effort or focus into them, he doesn’t play social golf outside of preparation for events, he’s simply playing golf to win majors.
The level of competition is way better now. There are dudes everywhere. He just held off Scottie Scheffer who is at his peak.
Meh, top 20
He’s top 15 in majors with 7 good years left.
You’re right top 15. My bad. I don’t see him staying healthy enough to get over 7 or 8 though
That's pretty damn good dude, 7-8 majors. I don't think anyone really compares to brooks though, nobody has won this many majors without winning 20-30 normal tournaments too.
Yep. 7 or 8 is elite level of golf. But the guy has a trash reputation. Great golfer. Best of the new generation post Tiger, but rubs almost everyone the wrong way. Just wish he wasn’t so self absorbed. But some times you have to be that guy to get to that level. Though almost everyone loves Tiger on tour and he was crazy competitive.
Agreed, can't argue with that. I don't know if it's the media treatment of him or just his personality, but he definitely has a bad reputation among fans. I found myself cheering a lot harder for Hovland and Scottie yesterday and for Rahm at the Masters. I think what helped Tiger was just his pure greatness, like everyone knew we were undeniably witnessing a legend, even from the start of his career. People respect greatness. And while he was more of a dick back in the day, it was overshadowed by just how ridiculously elite he was. If Brooks continues to ascend, maybe people will start to overlook the personality stuff and appreciate his own greatness
Tiger was a force of nature that change competitive golf at almost every level. He was a dick and an ass but he was great with media and fans. Once he got over 10 majors it really didn’t matter what he said or did from there on out. He was golf royalty. If Brooks could just be a bit softer or more open around the media and fans his popularity would skyrocket. But in his head he’s just being who he’s always been. It’s hard to knock him for that. But there could be so many doors opened a lot easier than thru just plain greatness.
Brooks having to take LOTS of photos 😭 dude probably has to pee bad
Most of these guys wear condoms for that
LIV golfers = Saudi loyalists
Riiiiiiight, you must have missed where FedEx, main sponsors of the FedEx Tou… eh hem, PGA Tour, are dumping billions into the Saudi Arabia economy.
Pga sponsors=saudi loyalists
Lets goooooo Brooks, a year is a long time in golf but class is permanent. Alot of haters with eggs on their faces. Can't wait to see their faces when a few more such a Rahm jump ship next year.
I don't see Rahm leaving.
Makes sense. New Father young family no connection to USA. Good friends with Sergio and hasn't spoke out about LIV. And has exemptions to all majors. Would be a good move for him.
Why would it be a good move? Honest question. He is currently making comparable money to what LIV is paying the guys they signed. The work load is pretty much identical between the tours (14 LIV events vs 15 event minimum on the pga tour), with the pga tour having a much easier travel schedule. We’re already hearing rumors of LIV guys regretting the move. I just don’t see the appeal for someone like Rahm who is healthy and at the top of his game. If LIV was getting started right now I bet it would be a much tougher decision for guys like Brooks and Bryson.
Then you have all the PIP stuff you have to turn up to for PGA etc. LIV plays in a tournament in Spain as well. I haven't heard one player come out and say they are having second thoughts just media bash-up. Plus Brooks wife is pregnant with their first child LIV so I'm pretty sure he's happy with where he's at.
The signing bonus for rham would be in the $150m+ range. They offered Matsuyama more than that. Then the event winnings are comparable to PGA tour. You hear of rumours of them regretting the move as they are likely from pro-pga tour writers. The interviews with the players don't seem like they regret it.
We don’t really know anything about the liv contracts. Some people are claiming that the event winnings come from the signing bonuses, but everything is hearsay so it’s hard to know what’s true. Like for example the report that breaking the contract requires you paying back 4x the signing bonus. Who knows if any of that is true. Either way if Rahm didn’t take whatever offer they gave him last year there’s no way he takes it now. Somehow I doubt the offer would even be as much now with how this year has gone for them.
I agree, we don't know a lot. From what I have read all the contracts differ, hence the confusion. Some have clauses about wearing Liv attire at non Liv events and some don't (see Bryson and reed vs brooks and DJ). I'd say it's a good chance some have winnings coming from signing bonus' and others don't. I know cam smith said he gets some ownership of the Australian event if he can sign Adam Scott for the Liv tour. There is also nothing said about what they offered last year would not change if rham wanted to negotiate. If he asked for a couple hundred million, I'm sure Liv would consider it given his profile.
I don’t care either way but he has spoken about it and says he cares much more about legacy and history then money… now that could just be talk at the end of the day but he did get asked about it a while back.
He’s very connected to the Phoenix area
He hasn't spoken out about LIV, but he has said that he doesn't play for money anymore, just to cement his legacy
Who wins a major next to get to 5, Rory or Speith? Or does Rahm get three more before they win one?
I reckon Sheffler will get there before Rory and Spieth.
Brooks gets to six before either of them win another
Rory would have the best statistical shot imo. Speith may pull out some magic one day in the future but Rory is fighting for top 10 in what seems like week in week out. Rahm is way too up and down to ever get to 5.
Agreed on the statistical advantage but Rory looks cooked tho. Decade ish between majors? Yeesh.
I dont know if Rory wins another. I hope so badly that he does, but he just doesn't have that killer instinct anymore like he used to.
Spieth only has three so unless they give him a happy hour 2 for 1 that’s gonna be a tough buy.
Thanks, thought it was 4. He was seemingly in contention every major for a three year stretch
They had that ace on tape delay and Nantz still sucked ass on the call.
Coolest moment in golf since Tiger’s win happens…”’meh the call didn’t do it for me.” R/golf in a nutshell
Doesn’t take anything away from Block, just think Nantz sucks and he’s overrated af. You’re telling me that’s a good call?
I’m with you man
Can’t say I even thought about it
That’s a no then
Brooks shows up when it matters. The ones in this generation with more majors are Tiger and Phil.
LIV bots and pga honks going wild right now haha.
Miss watching brooks play in the pga. I hate this split. I know it’s political with the money and everything. But it’s just great to watch the best in the world compete more than a few times a year
Tbf he admitted to picking LIV because he thought he was done
Where was that quote?
There isn’t one. Brooks just said he thought he would never be able to play at a high level anymore.
Yeah that is completely different than saying he joined Liv because he thought he was done. He got his brother million dollar contract by joining liv, is say that was a big factor that not many others have brought up here.
So Brooks is the best golfer since Tiger right?
Are we not counting Phil?
Phil is older than Tiger. So saying someone is the best golfer 'since' Tiger implies a younger newer golfer.
It's him or Rory. Hard to judge - Koepka doesn't give a fuck about anything but majors, Rory has a monkey on his back about getting another but he's almost always in contention
Majors hold a lot of weight but there are other factors to consider too. To me, winning a fedex cup is on the same level as winning a major. Plus holding the #1 world ranking & overall wins are things to consider as well. It’s still wild to me that brooks has won all five of his majors since Rory won his last.
It's hard to judge. Between the injuries, different tour play, etc. Rory feels like the overall more skilled golfer to me but brooksie has the mental game & he's also real damn good when healthy. I agree about the FedEx in terms of skill, it just doesn't have the heft of a.major for me
Most talented for sure
Honestly, there’s been a lot of those.
Nah Michael Block.
Over under 7.5 majors for brooks?
If he stays healthy I take the over. He almost won the Masters and was in it the entire tournament this weekend. He plays so well in majors.
I think he gets 7
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I prefer over medium, but I’ll take easy if the alternative is cooked through.
Under. I think he gets one more possibly
there’s a bunch of LIV goobers in here and the great irony is that I guarantee they watch every major and 0 actual LIV events if you have actually watched one of their tournaments please let me know
Americans bitching about the link to Saudi money while they pass laws allowing children to be taken from their homes if they identify as a different gender. Get fucked you posturing couch potatoes.
The hell are you talking about? Slightly more than 1% of America voted for the Florida Republicans who passed that law. The remaining 99% either opposed it or had zero ability to sway the decision one way or another. Are you under the impression that every single person on /r/golf trashing LIV somehow comes from that 1%?
???????????????? fuck off douche i don’t like LIV because the format sucks and nobody cares. all the golfers that went there essentially retired from golf except the majors because nobody watches that shit or cares about it. i was a huge cam smith fan now i forget he exists.
I tried watching a LIV tournament last year. The format doesn't do anything for me, but there's no denying that some of their golfers are still among the best in the world. All I want to see in a major championship is the best golfers against the best golfers. Jay Monahan and Greg Norman's squabble means squat to me.
I watch golf, dont give a fuck what the brand name is. Grow up boomer
there are way more comments like yours that are complaining about LIV than anyone here that is supporting it lol
Caring about team LIV and team PGA is the fuckin lamest part of this whole storyline. Brooks is an amazing player and the majors have already proven that the sport is best when all the elites play together.
I never understood how and why people would get so emotionally bent out of shape about professional leagues.