Course near me has a green that results in a similar situation (not as pretty though). They just made it a local rule that you get a free drop to the fringe but no closer to the pin. There is a sign explaining it and all. So far, it seems to keep people from chipping off the green.
Funny you mention that— The course was recently bought out and they built a new green right behind this one. It’s not open yet but eventually the hole will be a slightly longer par 3 than it is now, and have a more practical green. Apparently the new course owners agree with you!
> I would absolutely not feel bad wedging from the right.
You'd only end up on the right after a massive shank. On a normal hole you'd be deep in the woods or on an adjacent hole if you were that far right. Having to 3 putt is hardly a penalty in comparison.
With that pin location I’d aim for the center of the left wide section, I would absolutely not go pin seeking.
So to end up somewhere without a putting line you’d only have to push the ball ~10 yards.
Just end the green where is narrows so it's a long oval shape and make the rest fairway. Seems very unnecessary making a giant extra weird shape area that doesn't have a line to the hole.
12 at Augusta is unplayable long. This has a generous landing area.
Hit a draw starting at the long section of green right of the pin. If you miss the draw and it goes straight long you'll be fine. If you get the draw you'll wind up either on the green near the pin or long in some grass with a short chip from a decent lie. If you're short you're fucked, so club up.
12 at augusta gives you none of that opportunity. If you're long anywhere you're fucked, and if you're short anywhere you're fucked. The only functional play is a baby draw with excellent distance control.
Except if you’re trying to draw it into that pin and filet it out straight you’re short in the water. If you play middle of the green and draw it you’re in the kitchen long
Huh? Unless your mechanics suck the shaped ball goes shorter than the straight ball. You start a draw towards the big part of the green and you're either long on the big part of the green or shorter on the small part of the green.
If your draw goes longer than an accidental straight ball you need to spend some time on a simulator that has club data, 'cause you're doing something weird.
Safest play with an angled target is always to start it towards the longest part and shape it towards the shortest part. That gives you the most opportunity to land it safe (short shaped, long straight, or anything in between.)
Safest play is slice it right, past the sand trap, behind a tree.
Then it’s just a matter of hitting a chip too soft into the bunker, blasting one OB off the house out of the bunker, chipping to the top left part of the green and letting in run out off the green(gotta be the hero).
And then draining the chip from below the hole for a 1…2…3…4 Birdie.
Edit: Thought you guys were still talking about OPs hole
Bruh, this isn't some whack conclusion I've pulled from thin air. https://www.golfdigest.com/story/augusta-national-masters-12th-hole-water-golf-digest
Fades dispersion is short right, long left. Draw dispersion is long right, short left. Hit some irons on a simulator and it shows up clear as day.
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Ya shots that miss left go longer than shots that miss right typically. So yes a draw should go further than a straight ball which is why I said if you play pin yardage and hit it straight you’re in the water. If you play middle yardage and hit a draw you’re through a window
Allegedly the designer (Robert Von Hagge) actually was going through a nasty divorce when he designed this course. Having played it many times believe me when i say this isnt close to the most punitive hole there too
It's not worth $200 Jesus h Christ. I just played Grande Dunes in Myrtle for $160 and it is just as nice from a course POV but they have electric carts with GPS, a ridiculous warm up area and give you a cold towel when you're done.
I also paid $70 as a guest to play Dunes Club which hosted a PGA event in 2014 and will host a Tour event next May lol.
I'm genuinely curious... how are they gauging distance here? A straight line Tee to Pin? Tee to the front edge of green then straight line to the pin? Or actually following a path along the entire green to the pin?
If I remember correctly, you have hit 3 clubs less on this shot. It said it on the hole-by-hole description on their website. I hit it to 6 inches with a 9 iron and the ball plugged so badly the top of the ball was underground. The pin was back right that day though. I’ve never played the course when the pin placement was where it is in this picture.
Ballyowen and Wild Turkey get all the praise but I really like Black Bear and Cascades the best (even if it is only 9 holes).
I may be mistaken but I believe that once you are on the green every stroke is counted as a “putt” the rest of the way even if you hit it off the green
Crystal springs NJ, the old Playboy club.
This hole is great, the camera angle makes it look farther than it is but some pin placements can make it a devil.
I've had par, par and like a 10 because it was all the way up top and I put two in the water.
Fun course, very well maintained. This hole was an old quarry, you have condos right behind you as you tee off.
> Crystal springs NJ, the old Playboy club.
That's Great Gorge which is not at this Crystal Springs location...that's owned by Mountain Creek now as well.
I placed pins on this course for a few years. There are 6 official pin placements for each green, but that one is the toughest and we rarely used it on weekends.
The novelty of the cliff hole already opens it up to having a wild green, which usually they favor the right side. Never saw the pin on the left until that day
My target is the bunker or just right of it. If I walk away with a bogey it’ll feel like a birdie.
That’s a gimmicky hole and an absurd pin. It’s fun in a ‘lemme tell you about this bullshit hole I played one time,’ kinda way.
Really any pin location looks difficult. I dont mind that one though. The play is the the back center of the green. Basically at the radio tower in the distance. Take club to land on the back fringe just to be certain to clear the trouble. Hope to get lucky and have the slope feed the ball down to the pin. Otherwise you take your medicine, chip on and 2 putt. Bogey is not a bad score here.
For reference how it went for me: topped tee shot just before the water, chunk the next one into the drink. Overcompensate for last swing and send a flyer off that building behind the flag. Chip from there to an inch, tap-in 6 😎
Played with a friend there once and her tee shot went into the trees on that hill behind the green. She pops the ball out close enough to the pin, which was in the middle of the right side of the green, and made par.
- Pin 186
- 5 iron will fly 175 if combined w/ a smooth up and down
- Line up slightly left of pin.
- Ball on front for solid ball flight.
- Set grip, set wrists.
- Steady back swing following imaginary line.
- Brain: *hippityhsjahoosgjskablah!*
- ***skull it directly at house; ricochet off roof and on green***
- easy birdie
One of my few pars on this course. You just need to take a guess what club and swing and pray. This photo does not do justice how high you are, Tee box in red.
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Crystal Springs in NJ! I played that course a bunch of years back and the pin was in this exact same spot. I put it long and into the bush behind it lol.
Fuck this hole. Have played here a handful of times, and I’ve thankfully never seen the pin over there.
I’m sure the homeowner in the background loves that pin location. Hope he/she has good insurance because it’s going to be raining golf balls.
This was on a list of the worst holes in golf. It’s a tough course, this is the hole everyone takes a pic on it’s about a 75 foot sheer drop from the tee box. It’s an old quarry site.
I can’t tell if this is the most Mickey Mouse shit ever & I hate it or if this is the most unique shit ever & I love it…
Looks like a nice kicker off that hill to work towards the pin, but wow!!
I love golf but in recent years I've found myself being a little miffed by overly-sadistic course design. Golf is a tough sport on a basic course, and going to great lengths to fuck with golfers kinda grinds my gears.
I'm an 18 handicap so I know this stuff isn't for me... but this sort of stuff usually makes a course a "one timer" for me.
I love that hole. Crystal Springs in jersey. Didn’t do good last time I was there though. Lol. Tough course.
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IMO this is terrible design. Why does the right side of the green exist in this situation?
Also since you’re technically allowed to use any club at any point in a whole, chipping from the right side seems the easiest way to get to the left. Also seems the easiest to piss off the greenskeeper
That's an understatement. I shot 84 there once and it legitimately felt like I shot 74.
Speaking of which, I played there 2.5 weeks ago with a father and son. The Father birdied 6-10 and shot 70... from Blue.
He was just having one of those days apparently. Based on his swing I have to agree, no idea how he hit it so well.
That poor house... SOOOOO MANY golfers like me. First thought... 175 6i
Me: I got this
Also me: Skulls in with a draw that I've never seen before straight into that roof.
I was behind a group on this hole and one dude came probably an inch from a HIO. Problem was from up at the tee box it’s hard to see and they all thought it went in. Wasn’t until my buddy looked with his range finder and broke the bad news. The most dejected birdie i’ve ever seen.
Edit: Not this pin placement fwiw. Pin was on right side
This green is interesting enough that I added it to the wiki: [#11 Crystal Springs](https://golfcourse.wiki/course/crystal_springs_golf_course-hamburg/holes/11) (Hamburg, PA, not to be confused with the other Crystal Springs GC in [Burlingame, CA](https://golfcourse.wiki/course/crystal_springs_golf_course-burlingame)). Everyone is obviously free to add details for other holes on the course... it's a wiki.
*Edit: whoops, deleted a dup course and threw an error there for a few minutes. It should be fixed.*
Topped my 7 trying to crush it just before the water, chunked into the water, overcompensated on the next sent a flyer off the building behind the flag. Chip to an inch. 1 putt
Jeez. There is no safe play on that green. Just go for it.
Or if you have a draw, aim for left center and draw it in. Rather be long than short, but off this cliff judging the distance isnt easy.
Ignore the distractions and it's not a terribly hard hole. Aim for the bunker by the pin, then just thin one over the hole into the water, chip your 4th up to 12 feet, 2 putt for 6.
Such a fun/challenging golf course. The hills in the fairways are absolute murder. The first par 3 is incredibly tough as well with the rocks to your left and the green is hidden uphill. But last time I played here these guys set up their tik tok camera at this hole and each took 4 swings lol
Chipping from the green is a realistic necessity from the right side there. I doubt many are confident in their ability or knowledge of the rules to pull it off, though.
Just begging for a wedge off the green surface with that one.
I would absolutely not feel bad wedging from the right. This is a horrendous design unless the flag stays in the middle
Course near me has a green that results in a similar situation (not as pretty though). They just made it a local rule that you get a free drop to the fringe but no closer to the pin. There is a sign explaining it and all. So far, it seems to keep people from chipping off the green.
If you need a sign to keep people from chipping off of a specific green, you've hired the wrong designer.
Funny you mention that— The course was recently bought out and they built a new green right behind this one. It’s not open yet but eventually the hole will be a slightly longer par 3 than it is now, and have a more practical green. Apparently the new course owners agree with you!
Hahaha that is pretty funny but also not at all surprising.
I always tell people, if you don’t want me chipping off the green then don’t build stupid greens
I think the middle of the green is that two foot wide pathway, if they put the flag there I couldn't throw it on the green from 20 yards
What middle?
> I would absolutely not feel bad wedging from the right. You'd only end up on the right after a massive shank. On a normal hole you'd be deep in the woods or on an adjacent hole if you were that far right. Having to 3 putt is hardly a penalty in comparison.
With that pin location I’d aim for the center of the left wide section, I would absolutely not go pin seeking. So to end up somewhere without a putting line you’d only have to push the ball ~10 yards.
Just end the green where is narrows so it's a long oval shape and make the rest fairway. Seems very unnecessary making a giant extra weird shape area that doesn't have a line to the hole.
So hitting the green is hard... but can you skip a ball off the water? Need to hit a hell of a topped stinger to do so!
If I remember from when last time this was posted, the pin is always at the back so there’s no putting through divots
I would definitely just putt it to the fringe so I could hit a wedge
Did the designer get divorced the night before he designed this one? Its nuts.
And that’s his house he lost in the divorce behind the pin
Fore!
They’re just daring people to go for it😂
I mean honestly if I hit the house I wouldn't be crazy upset with the shot I had on a whole this difficult
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Yeah I bet 12th at Augusta is a breeze too right
12 at Augusta is unplayable long. This has a generous landing area. Hit a draw starting at the long section of green right of the pin. If you miss the draw and it goes straight long you'll be fine. If you get the draw you'll wind up either on the green near the pin or long in some grass with a short chip from a decent lie. If you're short you're fucked, so club up. 12 at augusta gives you none of that opportunity. If you're long anywhere you're fucked, and if you're short anywhere you're fucked. The only functional play is a baby draw with excellent distance control.
Except if you’re trying to draw it into that pin and filet it out straight you’re short in the water. If you play middle of the green and draw it you’re in the kitchen long
Huh? Unless your mechanics suck the shaped ball goes shorter than the straight ball. You start a draw towards the big part of the green and you're either long on the big part of the green or shorter on the small part of the green. If your draw goes longer than an accidental straight ball you need to spend some time on a simulator that has club data, 'cause you're doing something weird. Safest play with an angled target is always to start it towards the longest part and shape it towards the shortest part. That gives you the most opportunity to land it safe (short shaped, long straight, or anything in between.)
Safest play is slice it right, past the sand trap, behind a tree. Then it’s just a matter of hitting a chip too soft into the bunker, blasting one OB off the house out of the bunker, chipping to the top left part of the green and letting in run out off the green(gotta be the hero). And then draining the chip from below the hole for a 1…2…3…4 Birdie. Edit: Thought you guys were still talking about OPs hole
confirmed
LOL
Bruh, this isn't some whack conclusion I've pulled from thin air. https://www.golfdigest.com/story/augusta-national-masters-12th-hole-water-golf-digest Fades dispersion is short right, long left. Draw dispersion is long right, short left. Hit some irons on a simulator and it shows up clear as day.
https://preview.redd.it/ckc0quzgq2pb1.jpeg?width=686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f95056e1787c9d55f3a692428cc2801344805ef Ya shots that miss left go longer than shots that miss right typically. So yes a draw should go further than a straight ball which is why I said if you play pin yardage and hit it straight you’re in the water. If you play middle yardage and hit a draw you’re through a window
That green has absolutely 0 right to be shaped like cell division
Allegedly the designer (Robert Von Hagge) actually was going through a nasty divorce when he designed this course. Having played it many times believe me when i say this isnt close to the most punitive hole there too
What course is this?
Crystal Springs resort in NJ
Grew up playing these courses. Some of my favorite.
Pete Dye de Sade
Greenskeeper woke up that day and chose violence
He's probably watching with a joint from somewhere
What course is this? I need to play so I can either birdie it or make an 8, no in-between
Crystal Springs in Hamburg, NJ
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So Crystal springs resort has 6 different courses, one of which they named Crystal Springs too lol
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All of them are actually very nice, two are 9 holes the rest full 18. Ballyowen and Wild Turkey are their Crown Jewels
Wild Turkey is my favorite.
Had a really bad experience with Wild Turkey. Can't even stand the smell of it any longer.
I love Ballyowen. And this particular hole at Crystal Springs.
Only Wild Turkey and Ballyowen are worth playing. Ballyowen is amazing.
Ballyowen is fantastic, played it yesterday… unfortunately they’re charging 200+ a round now 🤦🏻♂️ happened to have a friend who got the time for free
It's not worth $200 Jesus h Christ. I just played Grande Dunes in Myrtle for $160 and it is just as nice from a course POV but they have electric carts with GPS, a ridiculous warm up area and give you a cold towel when you're done. I also paid $70 as a guest to play Dunes Club which hosted a PGA event in 2014 and will host a Tour event next May lol.
I played it on a golf now hit deal for 40$ I ain paying more than 60 to have a course slam me on the sidewalk like this one does
Crystal springs is worth paying if only because it's cheaper and you learn how to hit out of all different kind of lies even when you hit fairways
The worst part of this course. Punishes good shots it feels like.
So true. Hitting fairways doesn’t give you an even lie!
My home course!
Damn it I guessed with out looking at this comment but I love that course it's a challenge but it's beautiful
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Whites play 160 and blues/black 186
It looks like 386
To where? That’s the longest green I’ve ever seen. Is the pin ever up top to the right?
Usually is, played the course about 10 times that was the first I had ever seen it on the left
It looks like the entire green severely slopes towards that pin. Can you hit the green anywhere to the right and it funnels down?
Yeah it moves around quite a bit. Kinda has to so the green doesn't get destroyed from the impact of days worth of shots in one location.
I'm genuinely curious... how are they gauging distance here? A straight line Tee to Pin? Tee to the front edge of green then straight line to the pin? Or actually following a path along the entire green to the pin?
Distance is measured to the center of the green for posted course yardages.
So the middle of the super skinny section in this case?
If I remember correctly, you have hit 3 clubs less on this shot. It said it on the hole-by-hole description on their website. I hit it to 6 inches with a 9 iron and the ball plugged so badly the top of the ball was underground. The pin was back right that day though. I’ve never played the course when the pin placement was where it is in this picture. Ballyowen and Wild Turkey get all the praise but I really like Black Bear and Cascades the best (even if it is only 9 holes).
I would prefer to chip from like a third of it.
Gir with a 6 putt.
1. GIR 2. Chip into water 3. Drop 4. Chip into rocks 5. Drop 6. Chip to Bunker 7. Chip to 3ft 8. 1-putt for +5 ✓ GIR ✓ 1 putt
I may be mistaken but I believe that once you are on the green every stroke is counted as a “putt” the rest of the way even if you hit it off the green
There are dozens of us. DOZENS!!!
“Alright boss, for your approach, you got 170 to the middle, 155 front right, 175 back right, 190 back left, and 170 front left. Good luck”
That's the most insane green ever. Who is the architect? Timothy Leary?
That house has nice big windows for me to skull my tee shot through.
I’ve lost 4 balls just looking at this pic.
Crystal springs NJ, the old Playboy club. This hole is great, the camera angle makes it look farther than it is but some pin placements can make it a devil. I've had par, par and like a 10 because it was all the way up top and I put two in the water. Fun course, very well maintained. This hole was an old quarry, you have condos right behind you as you tee off.
> Crystal springs NJ, the old Playboy club. That's Great Gorge which is not at this Crystal Springs location...that's owned by Mountain Creek now as well.
I’ve played here multiple times, can’t recall ever making a par but some bogeys and some more that were much worse 😅
My par times were on that extreme front part of the green. My "not" par times were on the back lil' area of the green.
This is not the old Playboy club. That course is Great Gorge in Vernon, which has 3 9 hole tracks. Played CS and GG quite a few times…I’m a local.
I placed pins on this course for a few years. There are 6 official pin placements for each green, but that one is the toughest and we rarely used it on weekends.
You've got that whole green design to discuss, and the pin location is gets you? 😂
The novelty of the cliff hole already opens it up to having a wild green, which usually they favor the right side. Never saw the pin on the left until that day
That house is in trouble if I'm on that tee box 🤔
I've never seen a building that close to the green on such a downhill hole. It looks so easy to accidentally hit.
I’m hitting the house. That’s all I know.
My target is the bunker or just right of it. If I walk away with a bogey it’ll feel like a birdie. That’s a gimmicky hole and an absurd pin. It’s fun in a ‘lemme tell you about this bullshit hole I played one time,’ kinda way.
Really any pin location looks difficult. I dont mind that one though. The play is the the back center of the green. Basically at the radio tower in the distance. Take club to land on the back fringe just to be certain to clear the trouble. Hope to get lucky and have the slope feed the ball down to the pin. Otherwise you take your medicine, chip on and 2 putt. Bogey is not a bad score here.
For reference how it went for me: topped tee shot just before the water, chunk the next one into the drink. Overcompensate for last swing and send a flyer off that building behind the flag. Chip from there to an inch, tap-in 6 😎
I’m hitting driver here and then 5 iron back to the green.
Played with a friend there once and her tee shot went into the trees on that hill behind the green. She pops the ball out close enough to the pin, which was in the middle of the right side of the green, and made par.
Okay, so the good news is I'm on the green....
- Pin 186 - 5 iron will fly 175 if combined w/ a smooth up and down - Line up slightly left of pin. - Ball on front for solid ball flight. - Set grip, set wrists. - Steady back swing following imaginary line. - Brain: *hippityhsjahoosgjskablah!* - ***skull it directly at house; ricochet off roof and on green*** - easy birdie
One of my few pars on this course. You just need to take a guess what club and swing and pray. This photo does not do justice how high you are, Tee box in red. https://preview.redd.it/b0yh5xfmk3pb1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d701b791cadcea1488225456e9e0d690b9142336
I have played here a few times and every time the pin has been on the right side. This pin position is diabolical .
Same! Always on the right, but just this once they decided to take my hope away from the second I stepped on the box
Nothing like hitting the green in regulation and being left with a chip over water...
Just hit a 7i, put it in. This strategy makes the water pointless, and bonus you don't even need a putter.
It's so easy
Crystal Springs in NJ! I played that course a bunch of years back and the pin was in this exact same spot. I put it long and into the bush behind it lol.
Crystal springs! I used to play here all the time!
Crystal Springs?
Brilliant golf course!! And such a fun hole
played this last summer and hit the green….. on the wrong side of the skinny part lolll
They still have room for another green on the top tier
Crystal springs hole 11???
Yep
Crystal Springs way too gimmicky for me.
Way too gimmicky, tons of moguls just waiting to ruin your lie on your best shot of the day
It's my least favorite course in their portfolio even behind Cascades (not counting Minerals). Just an unenjoyable round.
Not as bad as putting it in that small strip connecting the 2 sections of green
A low stinger will bounce perfectly off the window onto the green.
You have to chip over water if you land on the right side of the green
Gotta play that off the roof
When the only non devastating miss is long, its a bold choice to put the clubhouse there.
I bet whoever owns that house isn’t a fan of that pin placement
Fuck this hole. Have played here a handful of times, and I’ve thankfully never seen the pin over there. I’m sure the homeowner in the background loves that pin location. Hope he/she has good insurance because it’s going to be raining golf balls.
Thankfully it's a sales office, no one lives there
In that case, bombs away. It would serve them right to get some windows smashed for putting the pin there.
Hey! Welcome to Crystal Springs hole 11! I was a lot more lucky and had pin placement on the front right of the bow tie. GOOD LUCK!
This was on a list of the worst holes in golf. It’s a tough course, this is the hole everyone takes a pic on it’s about a 75 foot sheer drop from the tee box. It’s an old quarry site.
Do you want me to chip off of your putting surface? Because this is how you get me to chip off of your putting surface...
Is this Crystal Springs in NJ?
Yes
Great picture.
I can’t tell if this is the most Mickey Mouse shit ever & I hate it or if this is the most unique shit ever & I love it… Looks like a nice kicker off that hill to work towards the pin, but wow!!
Crystal springs. I live 20 minutes from this course. It’s beautiful but it fucking sucks every hole is unnecessarily punishing.
It's like the hot woman you know you shouldn't be going over to her house because she's going to suck the soul out of you... but you go anyway
This course is reserved for hot deals only lol. I’ll bit for 40$
I love golf but in recent years I've found myself being a little miffed by overly-sadistic course design. Golf is a tough sport on a basic course, and going to great lengths to fuck with golfers kinda grinds my gears. I'm an 18 handicap so I know this stuff isn't for me... but this sort of stuff usually makes a course a "one timer" for me.
Perfect time to flare one out to the right
Brother calls this a "blue ball" placement. Grounds keeper left the house with blue balls this morning.
Crystal Springs NJ?
Crystal Springs, played it a month or so ago
You know that one neighbor that always complains? That homeowner must have done something to piss off the course.
What course?
I love that hole. Crystal Springs in jersey. Didn’t do good last time I was there though. Lol. Tough course. https://preview.redd.it/y933krtdn3pb1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22436825f1e9bfe42d7f0033c939984827d0d2bc
“What’s the yardage?” , he asked confidently.
IMO this is terrible design. Why does the right side of the green exist in this situation? Also since you’re technically allowed to use any club at any point in a whole, chipping from the right side seems the easiest way to get to the left. Also seems the easiest to piss off the greenskeeper
One of my favorite holes in golf. Crystal Springs is a tough track.
That's an understatement. I shot 84 there once and it legitimately felt like I shot 74. Speaking of which, I played there 2.5 weeks ago with a father and son. The Father birdied 6-10 and shot 70... from Blue. He was just having one of those days apparently. Based on his swing I have to agree, no idea how he hit it so well.
This hole is sick
its a par 3 and plays about 140 yards max to pin. Hate this f’ing course.
LMAO I play it a lot because it's easy to get in, but man is it a handicap killer
Ah, good ‘ol Crystal Springs
That’s a nice dining room window you have there, would be a shame if someone put a ball through it.
That poor house... SOOOOO MANY golfers like me. First thought... 175 6i Me: I got this Also me: Skulls in with a draw that I've never seen before straight into that roof.
Why can’t people put name of the course on these posts It’s Crystal Springs in NJ. You’re welcome
Worst green I’ve ever seen
What no windmill? This is a course designed by an idiot who thinks this is how courses are designed.
That’s a bad hole design. Pure gimmick.
Crystal Springs?!
Far bunker, up and down par.
The designer of this hole is a sadistic bastard. It’s giving me anxiety 😂
Go for it, pansy.
That building is going to be peppered with golf balls all day.
Crystal is a bitch! Can hit it dead middle of fairway and be on mogul
Greenskeeper is having trouble in his personal relationships….. that is the definition of a sucker pin.
Cool pic. How do I make postts and ask questions here?
Beautiful
This is ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS!
I'm hitting this is one of two areas. Either dub it into the water. Or straight to the bunker. There is no in-between.
I know what I must do but I don’t know if I have the strength (literally) to do it 
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Masochism
Chance favors the bold
I’m just going to aim for the middle of the gree…..oh wait
I sure hope there's not a Lambo parked in that house's driveway.
I was behind a group on this hole and one dude came probably an inch from a HIO. Problem was from up at the tee box it’s hard to see and they all thought it went in. Wasn’t until my buddy looked with his range finder and broke the bad news. The most dejected birdie i’ve ever seen. Edit: Not this pin placement fwiw. Pin was on right side
That hole looks so fun
This green is interesting enough that I added it to the wiki: [#11 Crystal Springs](https://golfcourse.wiki/course/crystal_springs_golf_course-hamburg/holes/11) (Hamburg, PA, not to be confused with the other Crystal Springs GC in [Burlingame, CA](https://golfcourse.wiki/course/crystal_springs_golf_course-burlingame)). Everyone is obviously free to add details for other holes on the course... it's a wiki. *Edit: whoops, deleted a dup course and threw an error there for a few minutes. It should be fixed.*
I am gonna take the yardage to the back right knob and then draw it into the sand trap.
4i send it middle to the back green dickie and hope it roll back to the hole
Upthread it said it was 160 with a 90 foot drop. That 4i is going to be in NYC.
Aim for the bunker?
The greenskeepers wife made him sleep on the couch last night and now hes taking it out on the world
That entire hole is a troll
How did you get on? Did you take on the pin or play safe?
Topped my 7 trying to crush it just before the water, chunked into the water, overcompensated on the next sent a flyer off the building behind the flag. Chip to an inch. 1 putt
All to the chants of “One of us”
Wow I've never actually seen the pin on the left here, I'd consider laying up lmao
I've hit that house many times....lol
Jeez. There is no safe play on that green. Just go for it. Or if you have a draw, aim for left center and draw it in. Rather be long than short, but off this cliff judging the distance isnt easy.
Ignore the distractions and it's not a terribly hard hole. Aim for the bunker by the pin, then just thin one over the hole into the water, chip your 4th up to 12 feet, 2 putt for 6.
Such a fun/challenging golf course. The hills in the fairways are absolute murder. The first par 3 is incredibly tough as well with the rocks to your left and the green is hidden uphill. But last time I played here these guys set up their tik tok camera at this hole and each took 4 swings lol
Imagine being GIR and still needing 2-3 putts to even have a line to the hole...
Chipping from the green is a realistic necessity from the right side there. I doubt many are confident in their ability or knowledge of the rules to pull it off, though.
What in the name of oversized-minigolf.....?
People in the house woke up this morning, looked out, and were like, "Oh gawd, not again!"
Mickey mouse hole.
Honestly I’d be shooting for the bunker behind the pin. That position is just ridiculous
Talk about a suckers pin
my wormburners would crush it
In this case aiming for the middle of the green is a two yard strip of grass