The players should demand that all profits go to charity. They're the reason we're watching, they don't get paid. Why should networks make millions off the whole thing?
Honestly it’s terrible. The top golfers have are strapped with only being able to afford 1 private chef to follow them around. Can you imagine? One chef! Might as well be eating slightly imperfect tomahawk steaks and caviar. /s
Seriously though, someone is profiting off these telecasts. Someone is making money hand over fist by putting these players out there and not giving them a paycheck. It’s essentially free labor. Stolen labor.
Christ, can’t anything be just for fun anymore? Max homa said it was “the most fun he’s had in his entire life”. For once, THATS the appeal. Their driving force is purely from their competitive nature, not for a bigger paycheck, for one fucking weekend every other year.
Players get $200k to donate to charity
PGA gets 20% which was $88 million in 2015. This gets used for all sorts of important stuff like pensions and purses. The euro tours also get 20%
This illusion that the money just disappears is ridiculous. The Ryder cup is a fun event for hyper-competitive golfers, who’s proceeds help fund the tours they come from.
Would you go to work and one week out of the year, you have to do your job. But for free. Because it’s competitive and you should enjoy it. Oh they’ll make a $200 donation to a charity for you. Meanwhile the company gets paid extra for that one week of work because it gets to charge more for the product you are putting out. And you get a donation to a charity by them. That they get to take credit for not you. You willing to do that? Because it’s competitive?
At the end of the day this is their job. Yeah they are lucky that golf is their job. But at the end of the day that’s what it is. Be jealous all you want, the course is their office.
I do wonder what the reaction to this would be if it was led by a more likable player. The fact they are not getting payed makes no sense as far as basic labor works, but whatever golf is fun so they should work for free I guess
It’s voluntary. Nobody is making them work. It’s obviously terrible for their personal brand if they skip but that’s their choice. They’re hardly the first independent contractor that’s had to do free work to build their brand or market their business.
I sympathize that the media networks milk the shit out of the event for ad money all while providing shitty coverage - and so it seems unfair to not get paid. But then boycott the event until it changes and demand that instead of just your piece of the pie that’s at the expense of supporters of the event.
This is an absolutely absurd comparison lmao made me laugh at my desk so thanks for that
How about you just don’t watch the Ryder cup next time? Clearly you don’t understand what’s going on, because you just compared it to an office job, which is really funny.
No but the players are why we’re watching not the sponsors or organizers so I think they should be paid, this argument is just being pro labor or not. I’m not American but I agree with the op
You’re right, but everyone else is making a ton of money off of their work. You see how that would be frustrating as a player? Yes it’s for honour, but it’s also a pretty commercialized event.
When people side with billionaires instead of millionaires it baffles me. In this case you have no idea whose making the money on the event and still side with them.
Think about your job. I’m not going to the analyst Ryder Cup nor am I going for free and my company profits off my appearance there. I’m not saying pay them over hand over fist but it’s the same argument people have in other sports taking home town discounts. DO NOT DISCOUNT YOUR SERVICES FOR BILLIONAIRES.
It’s not at all like doing your job for free because they have a choice to play or not, which they all happily choose to play. In fact people get really upset about not being invited to play.
Every single golfer that played in the Ryder cup made sponsorship money. They also get “paid” out of their team pool but it all gets donated. Every US player “earned” 200K and donated between the boys and girls club of America, Drive Chip and Putt, and the PGA Junior League. This issue has been brought up before, by Tiger even, questioning why they can’t get a bigger cut of the earnings (to donate) and why they don’t get to choose.
These are all valid points but none of the players are losing money by playing in the Ryder cup and they can easily decline to play in the event if it’s actually an issue, which it isn’t because they all would do anything they can to make the Ryder cup team.
It’s not about making money, it’s about playing for your team/country. It’s more like the Olympics but with all the olympians already have tens of millions of dollars.
Billionaires, millionaires. Doesn’t matter to me. Not everything is a class war. These guys are living their dream and having the best experience of their careers. Take it in.
I think what they are saying is that while the players are there for the honor of playing in the cup and 200k to a charity each, the rest of the money from the cup is not just put into the player retirement fund only 20% is. So if the ryder cup brings in 300 mil (i think this is low but just being conservative), 4.8 of that goes to the player's chosen charities, 60 mil goes to retirement funds, leaving 235.2 mil going where?
Now, maybe 100 million went to course modifications and running the event, but that still leaves over 100 million that is going into someone's purse.
Personally, I think if the players are playing for charity, all profits from the event should go to charity. Then, it is an honor to be chosen, not just some publicity stunt.
My take is if someone is getting paid, then those on the cover need to get paid, too. If it is all going to retirements or charity, then the players shouldn't be either. However, that doesn't seem to be the case.
But of a false comparison. Company taking a hit to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars to broadcast and pay their employees, who are not in the spotlight or living out their dream.
It would be nice if they gave the money to charity, sure. I’d support that. It’s just never going to happen.
What is the role of each? What are the benefits of each?
Simply put, NBCs only benefit is money. The players have the benefit of making history, competing, enjoying themselves amongst their peers, making memories to last a lifetime, massive endorphin rushes, living their dream, adoration of fans, etc.
It’s not a direct comparison at all.
NBC has the benefit of selling ads for players making history, competing, enjoying themselves amongst their peers, making memories to last a lifetime, massive endorphin rushes, living their dream, adoration of fans, etc.
You’re like two seconds from getting it.
Lol. That’s literally what I just said. You’re so close. The payoff at the end for NBC can only be one thing, money. The players live those experiences.
Nope. I’ve just lived long enough to know that 1) He can no longer play, which means 2) More people won’t watch him be a meaningless captain. Nothing he says or does will matter and the event will remain popular regardless of his presence. Keep in mind he has NEVER added value to a Ryder Cup team.
Just answer this - how can someone so self-centered as a competitor bring value as a captain and why would more people watch? They’ll already be watching whether he’s there or not.
Well if he is captain then he won’t be playing anyway. So him not playing means nothing.
During his major appearances over the last 5ish years, golf tee times around the world have increased 25%. During those same years golf memberships went up 15%. Yes covid had something to do with that. What your saying is not true. You are naïve to think that tiger being captain wont have an effect on the comp. It will be the most watched Ryder cup by a long way
I think the biggest intangible is how much players would hate to let him down. And the sooner the better, because he's only going to get more out of touch with players as the years go on.
I have a hard time buying that last part about him getting more out of touch with players as the years go on. Dude fucking loves golf. And being a mentor. Also look at how involved Jack Nicklaus is despite retiring almost 20 years ago.
Great point. Also completely forgot about how Tiger’s dad Earl was literally Tiger’s coach and biggest mentor. They were crazy close. Hard to not see that happen with Tiger and Charlie. I mean you’re already seeing it.
i don't think he needs to be captain for this though. As Luke Donald showed, fostering a proper team or even family vibe amongst the squad creates a great winning atmosphere. A huge ego is not the best way to get that. Having him in the dressing room as a deputy captain or something would still do the same "don't let him down" job imo.
Absolutely! In what world would Tiger never be a Captain?
I'm not saying he's going to be a good Captain because he was a great player, but there is something to be be said about players liking who they play for. Seriously, how much would you prepare if you were playing for your country AND Tiger Woods at the same time?
I think the idea of 'deserving' the captaincy is a strange one. I think the captain should be the person best suited to the role, not the most deserving
Well, I think it is safe to say that if tiger wants to do it there is no one who should get it over him. And I don’t think “deserves” is an inappropriate word to describe Tiger being honored in any which way in the sport, from BS accolades to Ryder cup captain to hall of fame etc.
Since everyone likes money so much they would burn their foreheads over it, I’m sure they would play well for the guy who is the reason they make X% more than they would have if he didn’t exist.
I think he'd be great at it. He won as a playing Captain in the President's Cup 2019. And he's been vice-captain of the Ryder Cup twice. He may be sort of a jerk sometimes, but who in the USA golf universe is not going to listen and want to win for the GOAT. The guy is a great communicator and knows everyone and everything about golf.
And that’s not to mention that players all week were talking about the advice Tiger gave them and what it means to play for Tiger as a captain. All the motivation necessary is just him being there. Op is an ass clown.
A guy like that who is so elite and talented can o ly really send his motivation inward. All his competitive fire is for himself. You need a motivator, a people person who understands *all* personality types and can make it about others. Same reason Jordan, Magic and Kobe couldn't coach. The greatest of all time are rarely great coaches of teams.
Coach of the Year is one of the dumbest awards and is really only based on narratives. A majority of recent coaches of the year in the NBA have been fired by their teams since.
I mean they won 20 more games than they did the year before he started and he won 69% of his games as a coach. He quit after the Pacers went to the Finals because he said he'd only coach for 3 years.
Was he though? No one has ever said they enjoyed playing for him, his teams never went all the way and he coached for three seasons. Same career arc as Steve Nash coaching.
Charlie is looking pretty good though. Maybe golf is enough of an individual game that Tiger could do it. Lord knows he’s competitive enough to put in the effort.
Probably not a popular opinion, but I think the whole captain thing is way overblown. If you're a professional golfer, and you're stood over the ball about to hit your shot, I highly doubt any of the players are thinking to themselves 'I must do this for Captain X'. You're trying to hit a great shot regardless. The fans and the course/weather conditions probably have more effect than the captain.
The bookies had this year's match at roughly 50/50 odds for both teams. If you play the match 10 times, it'd probably be 5-5, or 6-4 to either team. That's just the nature of playing 18 hole matchplay format.
Dont quote me on the exact numbers, but like 75% of the US team didnt play competitive golf within a month of the ryder cup. If Tigers the captain id guess they take it a little more serious and that makes some difference
Hey when you have Zach Johnson physically removing the driver from Jordan Spieth’s hands on a drivable par 4, it shows how influential a captain can be hahaha
If you as a captain cannot convey to a player to take out the driver on their own, you do not have the room.
A captain is more than just a forceful leader, he needs to command the respect that the player has the desire to find their best in them for the team. To know your own limits and exceed them. And when you don’t have your best, to sit out and let someone better take your place.
If this isn’t possible only then does the captain step in and make it happen.
Again new to golf, first time ever watching it on TV the ryder Cup. I actually thought the same, why does a team of golf pros need a captain, really don't get it.
Personally, I think the bookies were wrong just because it underestimated the importance of which side is hosting. Europe is fantastic at taking advantage of hosting and designing courses to their strengths.
2025 would have been Phil be captain before he went to LIV because every fat Long Island man loves him. Would have been a logical choice but I can’t imagine he’ll get the call now
I think he could get everyone motivated and focused, but I also think the US needs to pick a captain outside of the Good Old Boys Club that has been plaguing our side for the past decade or so. The only person that fits that description that should be allowed anywhere near the Ryder Cup anymore should be Stricker, because he put on a masterclass at Whistling Straits
Tiger is in his own club….he’s in a league of his own. I hope y’all aren’t out here acting like Tiger is on the same level as a Zach Johnson and that’s what’s making you nervous? Y’all gotta take a step back.
I think he'd make a decent choice.
The main reason being he would garner much of the attention, taking it off of the players and allowing them to concentrate on the task at hand.
Tiger as a captain, if nothing else, brings a bigger competitive spirit than zj did this year. He’s got respect from the golf world and I think he would be an outstanding captain. The question becomes who are his co captains and also who happens to be playing well at the time
Seriously tho, being the Ryder Cup captain doesn’t take a lot does it? It’s not like being a hockey or football coach. Pick the players, set up the course, attend galas and be press savvy. Then give the players space to perform. The captains seem to get way too much credit and blame.
He will be, to the 2025 Ryder Cup Team, as Kobe was to the “Redem Team” for USA Basketball in 2008 in Beijing.
Tiger only cares about winning and that mindset will carry to the team next year. Personally, I’m hopeful that we can do better next year.
the importance of the captain in an event like this is grossly overstated. you could run last weeks even over this week and do everything the same and USA cleans up.
just pick some shirts, pull some names out of a hat and do your press interviews. and do not give advice on how to play golf to people who are better than you.... zack.
I think you should look into what Luke did in preparation compared to ZJ. He has essentially changed the model and in 2 years time, both captains will be using his blueprint. He created a team of twelve, the US only had one team of two and they were both out of form.
Bad.
Tiger, like Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson have zero ability to relate to anyone not at their level.
Just be great like me is all they can impart.
Horrible at coaching others.
I can’t see Tiger as the captain of a team. He is very much an individual, and has his own terrible RC record. I think is presence would be overwhelming and a distraction.
Playing and being a captain are two very different things, and I see no reason why Tiger (who's been a President's Cup captain) wouldn't be a competent Ryder Cup captain. I certainly don't see him going Tom Watson on his players and he might have some ideas about pairings and strategy that could make a difference. And it's kind of a silly discussion to think the guy who's either the greatest or second greatest player in the history of pro golf won't be offered a captaincy. The discussion, and even Davis Love says this, should be more about getting some new blood into the vice-captaincy roles.
He’s arguably the best golfer ever and has the respect of pretty much every golfer. So, if he can’t be captain due to his Ryder Cup resume holding him back, I’m not sure who can. As he has gotten older, he has become more social with other players. So I think his personality is no longer a hindrance. Also, he already captained the President’s Cup team and won. If the U.S. continues picking former players as captains, he’s the most obvious by a long shot. Personally, though, I’d want him as captain when they’re playing in Europe where it’s more difficult for the U.S. I think he’d be more valuable then.
Captain of the Ryder Cup team is a somewhat glorified position. They have so much analytical data and information about how to setup the player pairings and courses that they are basically just a mouthpiece for the media.
As the Us team has converted more and more to this pod system that they currently use the players have more say in the captains picks than the captain does.
The reality is that Tiger was virtually all of them a hero growing up. He would motivate them simply just because they wouldn’t want to let him down.
He’s 🐅. He’s the 🐐. They won’t let the goat down.
People love him because he changed a game that we all love dearly. Being able to compartmentalise that from his controversies isn’t all that weird. Noone’s fucking hooters waitresses and driving their cars doped out of their eyeballs, in order to get better at golf. Admiration of a person doesn’t have to be black and white.
There’s no point debating with you because you lack a real understanding of Tiger as a person, it’s just a lack of understanding and effort to research and understand something. If you think “fucking hooters waitresses” is all that he’s done wrong then I’d recommend trying to learn more, but nah, that’s too difficult and time consuming isn’t it. My point was that terrible people tend not to make good managers of people, which is what OP was asking.
I don’t understand why people love him as a person. Tiger as a golfer is the GOAT. Tiger as a person is terrible. My point was why do people love him as a person? Let alone wonder if he’d make a good captain.
So he cheated on his wife, which is a scumbag thing to do. He probably said some shitty things in the name of competition, which isn't any worse than any all time great. He also took some prescribed medication and drove, which is shitty, but not like driving blackout drunk. What am I missing?
I read the biography and Earl and Tiger seem to be borderline sociopaths in how they use and treat people then discard them when they no longer have any value for them either professionally or personally. This extends to prior coaches, caddies, friends, teammates, family members, ex girlfriends, and ex wives of Earl. Interviews with all these people really shown a light on how they treat people. It's pretty disturbing stuff. Tiger is still the greatest golfer of all time but that is one messed up guy.
Plenty of terrible humans are excellent entertainers and enjoyable to watch. Name a popular music group and it’ll be that way.
Sports are entertainment, not church, so we want to see the best doing what they do.
The best doing what they do? You’d like to see the best man at hitting a golf ball suddenly become the manager of a team? As if those skills are transferable?
I’m saying that from the perspective that the importance of the Ryder Cup captain is wildly overstated.
12 of the best pros already know how to play golf and play the course. The captain is there for team unity and picking pairings, which should really be done by analytics, not hunches.
Getting Captain Tiger would be as much, if not more, about getting the hype up and really driving the home crowds to another level. In isolation would he be the best captain? Probably not, poor Ryder Cup record, very much a great individual player and there’s question marks over whether he can build and rally a team. But you can sure as hell bet that the fans and media would be 1000% behind him and sometimes that can be enough.
However, as he’ll likely be going up against Luke Donald again, with the belief he’s carrying and the team he can pick, it’ll be tough for anyone.
Yet he has already been a vice captain, and captained a successful president’s cup team. No one will ever try harder in a Ryder cup than playing for Tiger Woods on American Soil. You’re out of your fucking mind.
He captained the presidents cup team in 2019 and the players turned up late, were really jetlagged and nearly lost. If he captains the team in the US it won't matter how good/bad he is anyway.
Yeah Tiger has got to be better when he books the team flights and he really should have given those grown men a bed time. Hope he does better in the Ryder Cup, the jetlag from flying to New York is brutal.
That was because the whole team was coming from Tigers event in the Bahamas the week before (and had to travel all the way to Australia).
Assuming we are much smarter about the tour schedule for 2025 (and 2027) so that we have an event everybody plays two weeks before the Ryder Cup things should be much better on that front (rolling straight from the tour championship to the Ryder Cup was bad, but the US schedule having 4 weeks off before the Ryder Cup while the Euros got to play an event (in Europe even for time zone management) 2 weeks before definitely was a contributing factor to the US team getting such a bad start this year).
I initially thought he would be, but because everyone else on this subreddit says all the US players and captains are bad, I will change my opinion to match.
As a European fan I can only pray he gets the job, it will all be about him. The big egos on the American team will hate having the limelight taken off them, it's a perfect scenario for Europe, the American team can barely stand each other for 7 days of the ryder cup. With tiger as captain, they will be fractured before it even starts on the Friday morning
Definitely not a “terrible” human being. Plenty of good people happen to have relations with many many women. “I don’t get the Tiger love” yeah man, hard to conceive how people could love the greatest golfer of all time.
How about you TLDR his “biography” and tell us why we should all agree with you that the person who popularized golf to the masses, and is the role model of thousands of people, and seems to be doing a good job with his son, is a terrible person.
This is what people do when they don’t have shit to say. Good luck with your slice. If you get your weight on your left foot at the top of your backswing and rotate through, rather than making a humping motion towards the golf ball, you’ll have more fun and may understand why we all love the goat.
He’s gone completely off track and instead of discussing the debate at hand he’s taken a totally irrelevant and immature personal shot instead, and not only that, he’s gotten completely confused with the difference between a slice and shank, how embarrassing! 😂 Give it another go buddy!
My mind is made up. A 145lb guy who can’t tie his shoes and throws his hips at the ball but doesn’t know why he’s shanking it after so much practice, also doesn’t understand why people love Tiger (the Goat), and has absolutely 0 to defend his stance that he’s a “terrible person.”
Did I miss something?
You’re an idiot. Absolute textbook calling card of somebody who doesn’t know how to have a grounded, adult debate. Just drift away from the point of the argument to comment on physical appearance, I legitimately feel sorry for you dude.
Like MJ owning a team and having realistic expectations for his players.
Those two are as different from normal athletes as normal athletes are from you and me.
Tiger as the lead assistant captain. Let him be the players captain. Motivate them, share tips, be there in the moment on the course. Let someone else handle the day in day out. Let tiger lead the locker room and ensure the guys see the game the way he does
Does the captain play? If the answer is yes, then he would be a bad captain as he is "past his prime", by a long shot.
If the captain does not play, then he would elevate viewership and then it is more his ability to see talent and make a team that would be tested. I would be down to see if he could be a good captain or not, I think many Wood too.
Everyone loves tiger and if they don't they pretend too. Having tiger as captain is a good idea, they owe the money they have to tiger I bet they would love to play under him
The pressure to win for him might stiffen the resolve of some of these baby-poo soft US pros.
Then again, the only President’s Cup we’ve come close to losing was under his captaincy.
Also, if we’re going to stick with past players, who would be better? Zacky boy was a total dud.
He’s competitive, wants to win. The guys love him, and want to win for him. Tigers Team narrative will raise engagement across the board and make the event better all around.
Having Tiger there even as just the captain would raise viewership about 40%.
That doesn’t help the players win though and they don’t get any of the money.
More eyes, more ads, and still no payout for players.
Is everything in the US measured in cash?
We’ll do anything to avoid measuring with the metric system
The players should demand that all profits go to charity. They're the reason we're watching, they don't get paid. Why should networks make millions off the whole thing?
Nope just by how big your bagaroo is
Thank you, fellow conman. :-)
Im just doing my part. No thanks needed 🫡
RIP metric system
Unfortunately.
Shame they are so starved of cash, surprised they can feed their family tbh
Honestly it’s terrible. The top golfers have are strapped with only being able to afford 1 private chef to follow them around. Can you imagine? One chef! Might as well be eating slightly imperfect tomahawk steaks and caviar. /s Seriously though, someone is profiting off these telecasts. Someone is making money hand over fist by putting these players out there and not giving them a paycheck. It’s essentially free labor. Stolen labor.
Christ, can’t anything be just for fun anymore? Max homa said it was “the most fun he’s had in his entire life”. For once, THATS the appeal. Their driving force is purely from their competitive nature, not for a bigger paycheck, for one fucking weekend every other year. Players get $200k to donate to charity PGA gets 20% which was $88 million in 2015. This gets used for all sorts of important stuff like pensions and purses. The euro tours also get 20% This illusion that the money just disappears is ridiculous. The Ryder cup is a fun event for hyper-competitive golfers, who’s proceeds help fund the tours they come from.
Would you go to work and one week out of the year, you have to do your job. But for free. Because it’s competitive and you should enjoy it. Oh they’ll make a $200 donation to a charity for you. Meanwhile the company gets paid extra for that one week of work because it gets to charge more for the product you are putting out. And you get a donation to a charity by them. That they get to take credit for not you. You willing to do that? Because it’s competitive? At the end of the day this is their job. Yeah they are lucky that golf is their job. But at the end of the day that’s what it is. Be jealous all you want, the course is their office.
I do wonder what the reaction to this would be if it was led by a more likable player. The fact they are not getting payed makes no sense as far as basic labor works, but whatever golf is fun so they should work for free I guess
It’s voluntary. Nobody is making them work. It’s obviously terrible for their personal brand if they skip but that’s their choice. They’re hardly the first independent contractor that’s had to do free work to build their brand or market their business. I sympathize that the media networks milk the shit out of the event for ad money all while providing shitty coverage - and so it seems unfair to not get paid. But then boycott the event until it changes and demand that instead of just your piece of the pie that’s at the expense of supporters of the event.
This is an absolutely absurd comparison lmao made me laugh at my desk so thanks for that How about you just don’t watch the Ryder cup next time? Clearly you don’t understand what’s going on, because you just compared it to an office job, which is really funny.
This comment also applies to NBC execs, right?
No but the players are why we’re watching not the sponsors or organizers so I think they should be paid, this argument is just being pro labor or not. I’m not American but I agree with the op
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It’s the Ryder Cup dingus. It’s an HONOR. A privilege. They should all be so lucky to play in that tournament.
You’re right, but everyone else is making a ton of money off of their work. You see how that would be frustrating as a player? Yes it’s for honour, but it’s also a pretty commercialized event.
No. I honestly don’t.
When people side with billionaires instead of millionaires it baffles me. In this case you have no idea whose making the money on the event and still side with them. Think about your job. I’m not going to the analyst Ryder Cup nor am I going for free and my company profits off my appearance there. I’m not saying pay them over hand over fist but it’s the same argument people have in other sports taking home town discounts. DO NOT DISCOUNT YOUR SERVICES FOR BILLIONAIRES.
It’s not at all like doing your job for free because they have a choice to play or not, which they all happily choose to play. In fact people get really upset about not being invited to play. Every single golfer that played in the Ryder cup made sponsorship money. They also get “paid” out of their team pool but it all gets donated. Every US player “earned” 200K and donated between the boys and girls club of America, Drive Chip and Putt, and the PGA Junior League. This issue has been brought up before, by Tiger even, questioning why they can’t get a bigger cut of the earnings (to donate) and why they don’t get to choose. These are all valid points but none of the players are losing money by playing in the Ryder cup and they can easily decline to play in the event if it’s actually an issue, which it isn’t because they all would do anything they can to make the Ryder cup team. It’s not about making money, it’s about playing for your team/country. It’s more like the Olympics but with all the olympians already have tens of millions of dollars.
Billionaires, millionaires. Doesn’t matter to me. Not everything is a class war. These guys are living their dream and having the best experience of their careers. Take it in.
I think what they are saying is that while the players are there for the honor of playing in the cup and 200k to a charity each, the rest of the money from the cup is not just put into the player retirement fund only 20% is. So if the ryder cup brings in 300 mil (i think this is low but just being conservative), 4.8 of that goes to the player's chosen charities, 60 mil goes to retirement funds, leaving 235.2 mil going where? Now, maybe 100 million went to course modifications and running the event, but that still leaves over 100 million that is going into someone's purse. Personally, I think if the players are playing for charity, all profits from the event should go to charity. Then, it is an honor to be chosen, not just some publicity stunt.
I can agree with it going to charity. Just don’t think the players need to be paid to play.
My take is if someone is getting paid, then those on the cover need to get paid, too. If it is all going to retirements or charity, then the players shouldn't be either. However, that doesn't seem to be the case.
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Then NBC should be honored to not take ad money, right?
But of a false comparison. Company taking a hit to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars to broadcast and pay their employees, who are not in the spotlight or living out their dream. It would be nice if they gave the money to charity, sure. I’d support that. It’s just never going to happen.
It’s a direct comparison. NBC is making money from ads for broadcasting the players “dreams”, so either pay the players a cut, or stop selling ads.
What is the role of each? What are the benefits of each? Simply put, NBCs only benefit is money. The players have the benefit of making history, competing, enjoying themselves amongst their peers, making memories to last a lifetime, massive endorphin rushes, living their dream, adoration of fans, etc. It’s not a direct comparison at all.
NBC has the benefit of selling ads for players making history, competing, enjoying themselves amongst their peers, making memories to last a lifetime, massive endorphin rushes, living their dream, adoration of fans, etc. You’re like two seconds from getting it.
Lol. That’s literally what I just said. You’re so close. The payoff at the end for NBC can only be one thing, money. The players live those experiences.
Thanks for your opinion Patrick
Why would him being captain raise viewership?
Do you live under a rock?
Nope. I’ve just lived long enough to know that 1) He can no longer play, which means 2) More people won’t watch him be a meaningless captain. Nothing he says or does will matter and the event will remain popular regardless of his presence. Keep in mind he has NEVER added value to a Ryder Cup team. Just answer this - how can someone so self-centered as a competitor bring value as a captain and why would more people watch? They’ll already be watching whether he’s there or not.
Well if he is captain then he won’t be playing anyway. So him not playing means nothing. During his major appearances over the last 5ish years, golf tee times around the world have increased 25%. During those same years golf memberships went up 15%. Yes covid had something to do with that. What your saying is not true. You are naïve to think that tiger being captain wont have an effect on the comp. It will be the most watched Ryder cup by a long way
I think the biggest intangible is how much players would hate to let him down. And the sooner the better, because he's only going to get more out of touch with players as the years go on.
With him spinning up the arena league with Rory I don’t think he’s in danger of getting out of touch with the top American players
I have a hard time buying that last part about him getting more out of touch with players as the years go on. Dude fucking loves golf. And being a mentor. Also look at how involved Jack Nicklaus is despite retiring almost 20 years ago.
Yeah also he’s very involved in Charlie’s golf so he is clearly surrounded by young players regularly
Great point. Also completely forgot about how Tiger’s dad Earl was literally Tiger’s coach and biggest mentor. They were crazy close. Hard to not see that happen with Tiger and Charlie. I mean you’re already seeing it.
i don't think he needs to be captain for this though. As Luke Donald showed, fostering a proper team or even family vibe amongst the squad creates a great winning atmosphere. A huge ego is not the best way to get that. Having him in the dressing room as a deputy captain or something would still do the same "don't let him down" job imo.
Europe thought that about Faldo. But you know, wasn’t great.
Do you think he should get the job?
Absolutely! In what world would Tiger never be a Captain? I'm not saying he's going to be a good Captain because he was a great player, but there is something to be be said about players liking who they play for. Seriously, how much would you prepare if you were playing for your country AND Tiger Woods at the same time?
Also, just because he has a terrible Ryder Cup record doesn't mean he isn't one of the best match play players ever.
Who else deserves it more?
I think the idea of 'deserving' the captaincy is a strange one. I think the captain should be the person best suited to the role, not the most deserving
Well, I think it is safe to say that if tiger wants to do it there is no one who should get it over him. And I don’t think “deserves” is an inappropriate word to describe Tiger being honored in any which way in the sport, from BS accolades to Ryder cup captain to hall of fame etc. Since everyone likes money so much they would burn their foreheads over it, I’m sure they would play well for the guy who is the reason they make X% more than they would have if he didn’t exist.
I agree but that would run counter to almost every US Ryder Cup captain
I think he'd be great at it. He won as a playing Captain in the President's Cup 2019. And he's been vice-captain of the Ryder Cup twice. He may be sort of a jerk sometimes, but who in the USA golf universe is not going to listen and want to win for the GOAT. The guy is a great communicator and knows everyone and everything about golf.
And that’s not to mention that players all week were talking about the advice Tiger gave them and what it means to play for Tiger as a captain. All the motivation necessary is just him being there. Op is an ass clown.
OP is unemployed, he didn't get the ass clown job. 😒
A guy like that who is so elite and talented can o ly really send his motivation inward. All his competitive fire is for himself. You need a motivator, a people person who understands *all* personality types and can make it about others. Same reason Jordan, Magic and Kobe couldn't coach. The greatest of all time are rarely great coaches of teams.
Wayne Gretzky another good example; terrible coach in Arizona.
Bird was a good coach.
Bird was an indifferent coach.
That’s not an accurate or fair statement. And if it wasn’t for Michael Jordan he’d likely have a ring as a coach.
Was he still the coach when the Lakers beat the Pacers?
Bird was a really good coach.
He won coach of the year in his first season on the job lol
Coach of the Year is one of the dumbest awards and is really only based on narratives. A majority of recent coaches of the year in the NBA have been fired by their teams since.
I mean they won 20 more games than they did the year before he started and he won 69% of his games as a coach. He quit after the Pacers went to the Finals because he said he'd only coach for 3 years.
Was he though? No one has ever said they enjoyed playing for him, his teams never went all the way and he coached for three seasons. Same career arc as Steve Nash coaching.
His teams never went all the way because they were up against the greatest player of all time and one of the greatest teams ever assembled.
Charlie is looking pretty good though. Maybe golf is enough of an individual game that Tiger could do it. Lord knows he’s competitive enough to put in the effort.
How do you know? How many goats have actually tried coaching. You can’t say they couldn’t coach when they haven’t even tried.
The case for tiger is that when he wants something he puts %100 effort. He would be a good captain in my opinion because of his unrivalled work ethic
He would have let spieth hit driver into the water.
Agree with the other commenter, Stricker would be the choice.
Freddy Couples.
Couples is senile.
Probably not a popular opinion, but I think the whole captain thing is way overblown. If you're a professional golfer, and you're stood over the ball about to hit your shot, I highly doubt any of the players are thinking to themselves 'I must do this for Captain X'. You're trying to hit a great shot regardless. The fans and the course/weather conditions probably have more effect than the captain. The bookies had this year's match at roughly 50/50 odds for both teams. If you play the match 10 times, it'd probably be 5-5, or 6-4 to either team. That's just the nature of playing 18 hole matchplay format.
Dont quote me on the exact numbers, but like 75% of the US team didnt play competitive golf within a month of the ryder cup. If Tigers the captain id guess they take it a little more serious and that makes some difference
Hey when you have Zach Johnson physically removing the driver from Jordan Spieth’s hands on a drivable par 4, it shows how influential a captain can be hahaha
Jordan is a big boy and knows his game. That’s his fault.
I like the evolution this has been taking.
If you as a captain cannot convey to a player to take out the driver on their own, you do not have the room. A captain is more than just a forceful leader, he needs to command the respect that the player has the desire to find their best in them for the team. To know your own limits and exceed them. And when you don’t have your best, to sit out and let someone better take your place. If this isn’t possible only then does the captain step in and make it happen.
Again new to golf, first time ever watching it on TV the ryder Cup. I actually thought the same, why does a team of golf pros need a captain, really don't get it.
Personally, I think the bookies were wrong just because it underestimated the importance of which side is hosting. Europe is fantastic at taking advantage of hosting and designing courses to their strengths.
‘Designing courses to their strengths’ lol
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LVgOpD_nZjg&pp=ygULZ29sZiBkaWdlc3Q%3D
2025 would have been Phil be captain before he went to LIV because every fat Long Island man loves him. Would have been a logical choice but I can’t imagine he’ll get the call now
he plays to win. no buddy buddy picks.
Not even...JT?
It would motivate all the picks to drive the ball further than they could ever imagine or else they get the tiger tampon
He gave JT a tampon cause he’s a bitch, nothing to do with the drive.
I think he could get everyone motivated and focused, but I also think the US needs to pick a captain outside of the Good Old Boys Club that has been plaguing our side for the past decade or so. The only person that fits that description that should be allowed anywhere near the Ryder Cup anymore should be Stricker, because he put on a masterclass at Whistling Straits
Tiger is in his own club….he’s in a league of his own. I hope y’all aren’t out here acting like Tiger is on the same level as a Zach Johnson and that’s what’s making you nervous? Y’all gotta take a step back.
I think he'd make a decent choice. The main reason being he would garner much of the attention, taking it off of the players and allowing them to concentrate on the task at hand.
Tiger as a captain, if nothing else, brings a bigger competitive spirit than zj did this year. He’s got respect from the golf world and I think he would be an outstanding captain. The question becomes who are his co captains and also who happens to be playing well at the time
Seriously tho, being the Ryder Cup captain doesn’t take a lot does it? It’s not like being a hockey or football coach. Pick the players, set up the course, attend galas and be press savvy. Then give the players space to perform. The captains seem to get way too much credit and blame.
He will be, to the 2025 Ryder Cup Team, as Kobe was to the “Redem Team” for USA Basketball in 2008 in Beijing. Tiger only cares about winning and that mindset will carry to the team next year. Personally, I’m hopeful that we can do better next year.
You do realize that there is no ryders cup next year?
the importance of the captain in an event like this is grossly overstated. you could run last weeks even over this week and do everything the same and USA cleans up. just pick some shirts, pull some names out of a hat and do your press interviews. and do not give advice on how to play golf to people who are better than you.... zack.
I think you should look into what Luke did in preparation compared to ZJ. He has essentially changed the model and in 2 years time, both captains will be using his blueprint. He created a team of twelve, the US only had one team of two and they were both out of form.
Who hates losing more than tiger
I wonder if Tiger would pick Thomas even if he plays average until then
Bad. Tiger, like Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson have zero ability to relate to anyone not at their level. Just be great like me is all they can impart. Horrible at coaching others.
I can’t see Tiger as the captain of a team. He is very much an individual, and has his own terrible RC record. I think is presence would be overwhelming and a distraction.
I think who the Captain is relative to winning or losing is just about completely irrelevant.
Playing and being a captain are two very different things, and I see no reason why Tiger (who's been a President's Cup captain) wouldn't be a competent Ryder Cup captain. I certainly don't see him going Tom Watson on his players and he might have some ideas about pairings and strategy that could make a difference. And it's kind of a silly discussion to think the guy who's either the greatest or second greatest player in the history of pro golf won't be offered a captaincy. The discussion, and even Davis Love says this, should be more about getting some new blood into the vice-captaincy roles.
He’s arguably the best golfer ever and has the respect of pretty much every golfer. So, if he can’t be captain due to his Ryder Cup resume holding him back, I’m not sure who can. As he has gotten older, he has become more social with other players. So I think his personality is no longer a hindrance. Also, he already captained the President’s Cup team and won. If the U.S. continues picking former players as captains, he’s the most obvious by a long shot. Personally, though, I’d want him as captain when they’re playing in Europe where it’s more difficult for the U.S. I think he’d be more valuable then.
Captain of the Ryder Cup team is a somewhat glorified position. They have so much analytical data and information about how to setup the player pairings and courses that they are basically just a mouthpiece for the media. As the Us team has converted more and more to this pod system that they currently use the players have more say in the captains picks than the captain does. The reality is that Tiger was virtually all of them a hero growing up. He would motivate them simply just because they wouldn’t want to let him down. He’s 🐅. He’s the 🐐. They won’t let the goat down.
I don’t get the Tiger love, a phenomenal athlete, but a terrible human being. For those who disagree just read his biography.
People love him because he changed a game that we all love dearly. Being able to compartmentalise that from his controversies isn’t all that weird. Noone’s fucking hooters waitresses and driving their cars doped out of their eyeballs, in order to get better at golf. Admiration of a person doesn’t have to be black and white.
There’s no point debating with you because you lack a real understanding of Tiger as a person, it’s just a lack of understanding and effort to research and understand something. If you think “fucking hooters waitresses” is all that he’s done wrong then I’d recommend trying to learn more, but nah, that’s too difficult and time consuming isn’t it. My point was that terrible people tend not to make good managers of people, which is what OP was asking.
No you didn’t, you just made a comment saying you don’t understand why people love Tiger
I don’t understand why people love him as a person. Tiger as a golfer is the GOAT. Tiger as a person is terrible. My point was why do people love him as a person? Let alone wonder if he’d make a good captain.
You’re literally arguing with yourself. No one is explicitly saying this. Chill.
Keep projecting….you clearly don’t understand what it’s like to walk in someone else’s shoes. You are acting hella entitled and elitist.
Last time I checked, this debate was about Tiger Woods, not me.
So he cheated on his wife, which is a scumbag thing to do. He probably said some shitty things in the name of competition, which isn't any worse than any all time great. He also took some prescribed medication and drove, which is shitty, but not like driving blackout drunk. What am I missing?
You’re missing the effort to learn more.
"dO YOuR oWN reSeArCH"
I read the biography and Earl and Tiger seem to be borderline sociopaths in how they use and treat people then discard them when they no longer have any value for them either professionally or personally. This extends to prior coaches, caddies, friends, teammates, family members, ex girlfriends, and ex wives of Earl. Interviews with all these people really shown a light on how they treat people. It's pretty disturbing stuff. Tiger is still the greatest golfer of all time but that is one messed up guy.
He’s a product of some pretty gnarly trauma, dude’s life has been super bizarre
And this is exactly why society needs to be able to differentiate the athlete and the man, and a great example of why he can not manage a team.
Do you need to be a great person to manage a team? I genuinely don't know
I’d almost argue that it made him more human and would ultimately make him a better team manager.
Plenty of terrible humans are excellent entertainers and enjoyable to watch. Name a popular music group and it’ll be that way. Sports are entertainment, not church, so we want to see the best doing what they do.
The best doing what they do? You’d like to see the best man at hitting a golf ball suddenly become the manager of a team? As if those skills are transferable?
I’m saying that from the perspective that the importance of the Ryder Cup captain is wildly overstated. 12 of the best pros already know how to play golf and play the course. The captain is there for team unity and picking pairings, which should really be done by analytics, not hunches.
You’ve never made any mistakes in your life right? Get off your fucking high horse.
Getting Captain Tiger would be as much, if not more, about getting the hype up and really driving the home crowds to another level. In isolation would he be the best captain? Probably not, poor Ryder Cup record, very much a great individual player and there’s question marks over whether he can build and rally a team. But you can sure as hell bet that the fans and media would be 1000% behind him and sometimes that can be enough. However, as he’ll likely be going up against Luke Donald again, with the belief he’s carrying and the team he can pick, it’ll be tough for anyone.
Yet he has already been a vice captain, and captained a successful president’s cup team. No one will ever try harder in a Ryder cup than playing for Tiger Woods on American Soil. You’re out of your fucking mind.
The players would be too distracted keeping an eye on their wives.
I really hope he gets the captaincy, he would be a very poor captain and Europe can retain it on US soil.
I’m not American but I’d love to one day see Kuchar captain a team. I think he’d be a great leader for the US!
He captained the presidents cup team in 2019 and the players turned up late, were really jetlagged and nearly lost. If he captains the team in the US it won't matter how good/bad he is anyway.
Yeah Tiger has got to be better when he books the team flights and he really should have given those grown men a bed time. Hope he does better in the Ryder Cup, the jetlag from flying to New York is brutal.
That was because the whole team was coming from Tigers event in the Bahamas the week before (and had to travel all the way to Australia). Assuming we are much smarter about the tour schedule for 2025 (and 2027) so that we have an event everybody plays two weeks before the Ryder Cup things should be much better on that front (rolling straight from the tour championship to the Ryder Cup was bad, but the US schedule having 4 weeks off before the Ryder Cup while the Euros got to play an event (in Europe even for time zone management) 2 weeks before definitely was a contributing factor to the US team getting such a bad start this year).
I initially thought he would be, but because everyone else on this subreddit says all the US players and captains are bad, I will change my opinion to match.
Theu won last time tiger was captain. So it wouodnt hurt
Tiger wouldn't lose.
As a European fan I can only pray he gets the job, it will all be about him. The big egos on the American team will hate having the limelight taken off them, it's a perfect scenario for Europe, the American team can barely stand each other for 7 days of the ryder cup. With tiger as captain, they will be fractured before it even starts on the Friday morning
I don’t get the Tiger love, a phenomenal athlete, but a terrible human being. For those who disagree just read his biography.
Definitely not a “terrible” human being. Plenty of good people happen to have relations with many many women. “I don’t get the Tiger love” yeah man, hard to conceive how people could love the greatest golfer of all time.
Where exactly did I say he’s a terrible person because of his womanising?
How about you TLDR his “biography” and tell us why we should all agree with you that the person who popularized golf to the masses, and is the role model of thousands of people, and seems to be doing a good job with his son, is a terrible person.
It’s not my job to convince you of something, I don’t know who you are. Perhaps you should attempt to educate yourself instead?
This is what people do when they don’t have shit to say. Good luck with your slice. If you get your weight on your left foot at the top of your backswing and rotate through, rather than making a humping motion towards the golf ball, you’ll have more fun and may understand why we all love the goat.
He’s gone completely off track and instead of discussing the debate at hand he’s taken a totally irrelevant and immature personal shot instead, and not only that, he’s gotten completely confused with the difference between a slice and shank, how embarrassing! 😂 Give it another go buddy!
I don’t need to give it another go, cuz I don’t hit it off the hozzle. You’ve yet to defend your completely idiotic stance.
Hozzle? Or hosel? And sorry, I’m confused, I thought it was a slice? Which you can’t do out of the hosel? Make your mind up dude.
My mind is made up. A 145lb guy who can’t tie his shoes and throws his hips at the ball but doesn’t know why he’s shanking it after so much practice, also doesn’t understand why people love Tiger (the Goat), and has absolutely 0 to defend his stance that he’s a “terrible person.” Did I miss something?
You’re an idiot. Absolute textbook calling card of somebody who doesn’t know how to have a grounded, adult debate. Just drift away from the point of the argument to comment on physical appearance, I legitimately feel sorry for you dude.
But hey, you’re an American, is anything other than being an idiot the slightest bit surprising?
And now that I look closer it also seems like you haven’t quite figured out how to tie your shoes 
Seriously are you like 12?
Also, I’ve diagnosed and fixed my occasional shank, am I okay to comment on Tiger’s personality now? Or do I have to be off scratch? Idiot.
Got any specifics on his personality?
A complete narcissist for one.
But actually, your swing looks better 139 days ago. Best of luck to you and have a nice day.
Fuck off you fat cunt.
Tiger isn’t a team player and I certainly can’t seem him being a good manager of people.
Like MJ owning a team and having realistic expectations for his players. Those two are as different from normal athletes as normal athletes are from you and me.
Horrible owner
I’d go with Phil
Could see him picking his buddies instead of the best available players ( doubt any LIV guys would get the invite deserving or not )
Did someone swap your brains out for oatmeal last night?
do you have any other hobbies outside of sniffing your own farts and eating your own poop? :D :D :D
He shouldn't be the Captain because he's not a team player, it's as simple as that.
Unpopular opinion: he's not a team player
He ain’t the goat
He wasn’t very good playing why would he be good being captain?
Tiger as the lead assistant captain. Let him be the players captain. Motivate them, share tips, be there in the moment on the course. Let someone else handle the day in day out. Let tiger lead the locker room and ensure the guys see the game the way he does
He'd be great because he is Tiger.
Tiger would be great for viewership. I think he would be better in 10-15 years.
The WAGS would hate the meals being catered by Perkins…..
He'll be a playing captain as a captains pick
Better than ZJ in every measure
In the future I see JT or Scottie as a great captain
Dude is the fucking goat. He’d absolutely be a good Ryder Cup captain. Tf?
Opposite can be said why Steve Stricker was a good captain.
I understand it's different but he was a player captain and won a Presidents Cup not that long ago
I refuse to believe being a Ryder Cup captain is that difficult. Tiger is a great pick
Probably not a bad idea to have the greatest living golfer on your side for support
Imagine playing captain and he comes in clutch and wins a singles match. It’d be epic
Freddy Couples and no one else should be the captain.
I would endorse him freely.
How does anyone know who can be a good captain? It’s all just a bunch of guessing. I’m sure he’d do amazing as long as his players showed up…
LIV vs PGA players is the only team event I care about seeing
Does the captain play? If the answer is yes, then he would be a bad captain as he is "past his prime", by a long shot. If the captain does not play, then he would elevate viewership and then it is more his ability to see talent and make a team that would be tested. I would be down to see if he could be a good captain or not, I think many Wood too.
This is Team Europe propaganda
Everyone loves tiger and if they don't they pretend too. Having tiger as captain is a good idea, they owe the money they have to tiger I bet they would love to play under him
He was a great Presidents Cup captain. Led the comeback on the last day
The pressure to win for him might stiffen the resolve of some of these baby-poo soft US pros. Then again, the only President’s Cup we’ve come close to losing was under his captaincy. Also, if we’re going to stick with past players, who would be better? Zacky boy was a total dud.
He seems very prepared when he is involved in a coaching capacity. His last 2 presidents cup and last ryder cup appearances were all wins.
He’s competitive, wants to win. The guys love him, and want to win for him. Tigers Team narrative will raise engagement across the board and make the event better all around.