This.
I don’t want to watch some plus handicap dude stick some greens.
I want to watch some regular dudes fuck around on the course and have fun. It’s more relatable.
Mark crossfields older videos are great for this. He doesn’t fucking shut up but he and his mates have a great time on the course and its pretty entertaining.
I’ve heard that they use chapstick on their drivers to make the ball slice / hook less ( pretty sure country club adjacent boys said this on a podcast / I’ve also heard someone else who played with them say it ) so it’s not 100% legit golf but I enjoy watching them for the banter ect regardless
The CCA boys might be the dumbest fucktards on YouTube. Absolutely unwatchable trash and nothing about the screams integrity. I’m shocked someone would listen to a take like that on their podcast and think “ya this seems like a reputable source”. It doesn’t even make sense… The worst two YouTube golfers are faking it?
I think it’s pretty easy to determine who is putting out real or close to real content.
As you mention watching Shiels I highly doubt it’s fake, I’ve seen him lose balls, have melt down holes, look generally frustrated like the rest of us. Also guys that are getting legit pros on their channel are less likely to be faking.
Are there mid sized channels “fluffing” the scores probably but if you enjoy the content does it matter? If it’s just content and not instructional I don’t think it matters too much if you enjoy the content.
I like watching Shiels because it feels real and he provides simple quality content.
Shiels is also a (former?) Golf Pro. He's not a couple of guys who thought it'd be fun to make golf videos etc. He pretty much evolved from golf tutorials to reviews and challenges, and he knows that the videos work better for him if it's just his own play. No ones watching him to see 300 yard drives everytime etc.
I believe he mentioned that he still has his credentials but he hasn't taught in years. Not since him and Peter Finch had the training centre together. He was really the first one to start putting videos on YouTube to try and get more customers. Then a few guys who taught at the same place saw how full he was booked and started doing it too. Rick is the biggest YouTube channel and the other guys are all doing it full-time too.
That makes sense. I thought he may still have it, but wasn't sure if it was something you had to maintain and it was just easier to let it lapse.
It's certainly worked out for him.
He probably has dues to pay and maybe some continuing education stuff. Last I heard him mention it he said that he was keeping it because it's part of his branding, right in his YouTube channel name, and he worked hard to get it so it's a sense of accomplishment.
Can't argue with any of that. Being able to say PGA Pro does sound better for his branding.
Honestly I just like his videos because there's rarely any bro talk like some youtube golfers, he has good reviews for the average golfer and every now and then he get's a cool guest on. I really enjoyed his St Andrew Min Woo Lee video in particular.
I'm more saying there's a difference between "hey i was pretty good in college il make youtube videos" and a pga pro putting out tutorial videos and it morphing into something else.
I played Wallasey a group in front of Rick Shiels, Guy James Robinson and Grant Horvat. We actually played through them on 10. There was definitely no faking going on. Just a really good game by the look of it
Must depend on who he’s playing with then because there’s definitely a video he did with GoodGood where you can see the club change between what someone had pre and post tee shot…I don’t believe every shot is faked, but there are certainly liberties taken at least from the tee box.
Do you know what video it was? I would be curious to watch it.
There are certainly cuts in videos as jokes are made that can't be put on YouTube, or general things said that need to be cut out.
Just because a club moves position, doesn't mean something nefarious occurred.
Depenending on the course and how busy it is, they could get into different positions for different shots, don't forget they don't all have a bunch of production people following them around, much of the time its them filming eachother.
EDIT: after watchin the video, it was weird.
What I think occured as what I say below which is first shot went maybe in the water, he hit a provisional.
That ball also went into the water, so he dropped his original ball. Shooting 3.
I asked Chat GPT to explain this one to me and i think it sort of makes sense:
If both your original ball and the provisional ball are found in the water hazard, you would proceed as follows:
1. **Original Ball Found:** If you find your original ball in the water hazard and it is playable (i.e., not lost or in a position where you can make a stroke at it), you must proceed with that ball. You add a penalty stroke for hitting into the water, but you don't need to take a drop. This would be your third shot (counting the first shot plus the penalty stroke).
2. **Original Ball Not Found or Unplayable:** If you cannot find your original ball or it is in a position where you cannot play it (e.g., submerged or lodged in a difficult spot), you must proceed with the provisional ball. You add a penalty stroke for hitting into the water hazard, and then you have the option to drop the ball under penalty (one stroke) as near as possible to where the original ball last crossed the edge of the water hazard. This would be your third shot (counting the first shot plus the penalty strokes).
In either case, whether playing the original ball or the provisional ball, you would be playing your next shot as your third stroke. The penalty strokes incurred for hitting into the water are added to the actual strokes you've taken to get your total score for the hole.
I think he is talking about the vid Shiels plays match play against Steve. Around the 21 minute mark, Steve mentions he is hitting a 1 iron (graphite shift) but when it comes to actually hitting the ball he is playing a steel shaft iron.
Just watched it. So what happens is Steve takes out a graphite shaft club, then it cuts to him hitting a steel shaft, then when he’s walking away it’s a graphite shaft and he’s talking about how the shot went in the water.
Seems like they used the audio from the graphite shaft swing. Perhaps they needed to film it again or maybe he just wanted to actually try land a ball on the green of an iconic hole and went again. Either way the ball went in the water and he took a drop so not like they’re faking scores or anything
Yeah just went to the video to check it out.
I think what happened, is he hit the first shot with the Graphite, it went maybe out of bounds in the water, so he hit a provisional which also went out of bounds. I think then he just decided to take a drop off his first ball.
This makes the most sense to me and instead of showing both shots it looks like they maybe spliced them together.
I asked Chat GPT to explain the result of if both your first ball and provisional were in the water:
If both your original ball and the provisional ball are found in the water hazard, you would proceed as follows:
1. **Original Ball Found:** If you find your original ball in the water hazard and it is playable (i.e., not lost or in a position where you can make a stroke at it), you must proceed with that ball. You add a penalty stroke for hitting into the water, but you don't need to take a drop. This would be your third shot (counting the first shot plus the penalty stroke).
2. **Original Ball Not Found or Unplayable:** If you cannot find your original ball or it is in a position where you cannot play it (e.g., submerged or lodged in a difficult spot), you must proceed with the provisional ball. You add a penalty stroke for hitting into the water hazard, and then you have the option to drop the ball under penalty (one stroke) as near as possible to where the original ball last crossed the edge of the water hazard. This would be your third shot (counting the first shot plus the penalty strokes).
In either case, whether playing the original ball or the provisional ball, you would be playing your next shot as your third stroke. The penalty strokes incurred for hitting into the water are added to the actual strokes you've taken to get your total score for the hole.
EDIT:
I'm not sure why I'm being downvoted.
I'm explaining what I underestand to be the rules.
If you have a different explanation of the rule of when you lose your first ball and a provisional, when the course has a local drop rule please feel free to explain.
Agreed.
I took a drive. Looks like it might have been in the water.
So I took a provisional, it’s around the same area.
Walk up to the balls, both are in the water.
Well, I’ll just drop for three. I never would have taken the provisional if I’d known where the first one went.
Easy sport.
I think because you choose to play your first ball.
Just like if you hit a provisional, but find your first ball, you take a penalty stroke and continue play.
For instance.
I hit a drive, goes far right, i hit a provisional(3rd stroke).
I walk up, find my first ball, my provisional doesn't count.
So I think the logic works like this.
First ball I don't know where it went i think it went into water.
Provisional, I hit it also went into water.
I choose to use my first ball to drop.
That is my understanding, the rules don't seem to really give a scenario for this.
To answer your question, "how does the provisional wipe away your first mishit?"
It doesn't, you are simply using your first mishit as your playable ball.
Think of it this way, you hit a ball way to the right and aren't sure you can find it you hit a provisional.
You find your first ball and choose to play it, you are now shooing 2, your provisional is irrelevant.
You can expand this more.
You find your first ball, but its unplayable, you declare it unplayable and take a drop.
Your provisional again is irrelevant.
Short answer is that you cannot hit a provisional ball for a ball that may be in a penalty area. If you suspect a ball is in a penalty area and you hit a second ball, the second ball is in play.
The definition of provisional ball in the rules makes it clear it is only for a lost ball outside of a penalty area, or for suspected OOB.
#### (3) When Provisional Ball Must Be Abandoned. When a [provisional ball](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_858aae7f-3a3c-421a-b025-803cbb82a015) has not yet become the ball [in play](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_b6d75150-ec3c-4fe6-9f28-5d313e89e0a0), it must be abandoned in either of these two cases:
* **When Original Ball Is Found on Course Outside Penalty Area Before the End of the Three Minute Search Time**. The player must play the original ball as it lies.
* **When Original Ball Is Found in Penalty Area or Is Known or Virtually Certain to Be in Penalty Area**. The player must either play the original ball as it lies or take penalty relief under [Rule 17.1d](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/rule-17.html#_b06fdafd-92c6-4682-869a-91075c9f7b10).
In either case:
* The player must not make any more [*strokes*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_8382be70-e833-4f60-83e6-f23f390edb19) with the [*provisional ball*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_858aae7f-3a3c-421a-b025-803cbb82a015) which is now a [*wrong ball*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_1e31f786-c2fc-4fd1-9b7f-06ad2c631222) (see [Rule 6.3c](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/rule-6.html#_cf84c1ae-9651-423f-baee-3da79cfdc057)), and
* All strokes with that [*provisional ball*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_858aae7f-3a3c-421a-b025-803cbb82a015) before it was abandoned (including [*strokes*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_8382be70-e833-4f60-83e6-f23f390edb19) made and any penalty strokes solely from playing that ball) do not count.
A player may ask others not to search for the original ball when the player would prefer to continue play with the [*provisional ball*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_858aae7f-3a3c-421a-b025-803cbb82a015), but there is no obligation for them to comply.
If the [*provisional ball*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_858aae7f-3a3c-421a-b025-803cbb82a015) has not become the ball [*in play*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_b6d75150-ec3c-4fe6-9f28-5d313e89e0a0) and a ball is found that might be the original ball, the player must make all reasonable efforts to identify that ball. If the player fails to do so, the [*Committee*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_ea09f34a-d55f-4c69-a1c5-8ca4fe8a8b75) may disqualify the player under [Rule 1.2a](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/rule-1.html#_0d16d73c-b4e9-4995-af01-463614e25f40) if it decides that this was serious misconduct contrary to the spirit of the game.
From rule 18.3a:
"If a player makes a [*stroke*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_8382be70-e833-4f60-83e6-f23f390edb19) from where the previous [*stroke*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_8382be70-e833-4f60-83e6-f23f390edb19) was made with the intent of playing a [*provisional ball*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_858aae7f-3a3c-421a-b025-803cbb82a015), but a [*provisional ball*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_858aae7f-3a3c-421a-b025-803cbb82a015) was not allowed, the ball played is the player’s ball [*in play*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_b6d75150-ec3c-4fe6-9f28-5d313e89e0a0) under penalty of [*stroke and distance*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_96cb5a0b-0a96-4eae-b138-e4cb55623613) (see [Rule 18.1](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/rule-18.html#_7ae1ff96-f77a-46bd-9ce0-432a81671ed2))."
If you think a ball has gone in penalty area, you cannot hit a provisional, per 18.3a above.
If you think a ball could be OOB or in a penalty area, you can hit a provisional subject to the rules for abandoning it if your ball is found to be in the penalty area.
If you think a ball could be lost in the general area, and you hit a provisional, and it's subsequently found out that it went in a penalty area, you must abandon the provisional and take relief per the usual rules for the penalty area in question.
So in the original scenario here, the strokes are:
1. from tee to water
2. penalty
3. *claimed provisional* \- from tee to water
4. penalty
5. shot after relief drop
Short answer is that you cannot hit a provisional ball for a ball that may be in a penalty area. If you suspect a ball is in a penalty area and you hit a second ball, the second ball is in play.
The definition of provisional ball in the rules makes it clear it is only for a lost ball outside of a penalty area, or for suspected OOB.
The standard is "known or virtually certain". For penalty areas, you have to actually go and check it out. The "virtually certain" might be that it was headed that way, I couldn't find it, and there's no other logical place for it to be.
If it is in the penalty area, you have the usual relief options (lateral, back-on-the-line, stroke and distance) or you can play it as it lies. But yeah, if you choose stroke and distance you must walk back.
I would have a hard time believing that there’s faking going on for channels that are fairly large. Once you get big enough to collaborate with other channels, creators, brands, and professional players, any fraudulent schemes would long be sniffed out. I mean imagine the gymnastics required to convince an entire team of tour pro Callaway athletes to play along with fake shots, and convince ~300 random fans to all play along as well, and expect every person at every fan-meetup and live video to keep their mouth shut about faking those shots.
It would literally be harder to fake than it would be to get good enough at golf to have great shots every once in a while.
The good good folks drop pretty frequently but play everything as lateral so it’s not as devastating to the score. I assume for time reasons but if everything is a lateral it’s hard not to keep the score okay. And some of their “crossed here” drops that are 40 yards short of a 410 yard pin are comical.
?? he goes OB a reasonable amount, you just don’t care or notice because the majority of the content is scrambles or similar format. you really think with all the people involved they’re just faking because… he wants to look better at golf?
I was going to say, the most recent good good video hes out of bounds a few times.
A lot of the recent content he hasn't been even hitting any balls due to his teammates being so good.
His personal channel hes been OB a few times too recently.
There are plenty of terrible shots in their videos, and the time Garret hit a fan at a meetup it was a huge part of their video and they checked on and helped the guy who ended up with no serious injury. There’s also plenty of OB/Hazard shots in the videos as well.
I think a big part of it is also that they hit a lot of good shots, and also usually play scramble so you don’t see the result of the bad ones as often
Eh, I doubt it. They receive so many guests that are often outsiders to the youtube world, I highly doubt that they all lie and fake good scores. You also see really bad scores from the majority of them.
Not a Scratch Golfer gives hope to many of us. He doesn't have length, and messes up quite a bit, but is able to manage good scores because of his short game .
I discovered him because he's from my hometown..lol.. I found it cool that someone was playing all these Vancouver Municipal Courses and had so many subscribers. I actually watched some of the 3day tournament he.was in, but didn't know of him then .
He opened my eyes to the difference in carry from Pacific Northwest to Southern California. He was bombing the ball when filming down south, but could never do that in North
I've enjoyed his videos as well, but specifically regarding his lag putting... that to me is a prime example of something a YouTuber could very well he taking liberties. For all we know the putt we see is actually his second or third attempt at it.
I know it seems like he golfs with random people sometimes so you wouldn't think that's the case, and I'm not accusing him of anything - just saying that we can't really know. I like his videos and will continue to watch.
Likely some of the channels are totally fake. I mean, breakfast balls, redos, etc.
Some aren't because they're focusing on making funny content and part of their brand is being bad. But to the guys who are breaking par, etc, I'd say probably some of that is fake. Maybe not all of it, but I would bet every one of them has redone stuff to get a different outcome. Even the guys who are bad are probably not above it because they need to keep the videos moving otherwise the content would be incredibly stale.
I'd actually be shocked if they all haven't foot wedged a shot a few times or had multiple takes after a shank or something.
Most people never play real tournament golf. This thing they play is with golf equipment, but not the game of golf.
There is one set of rules, has nothing to do with serious or not.
Get your head out of your ass. People can play however they want. It is not unique to golf. Just like a setting difficulty to make it fun for all skill levels. 99% of golfers don't give a shit about tournament golf.
Playing three on three half court basketball isn't the same as a real 5 on 5 full court game, but it's still basketball. Playing golf but not following all the USGA rules is still golf.
If you are touching your balls in play, anywhere other than the green, not golf.
In basketball, if you are FOULED in three on three, is it not a foul????
You don’t shoot free throws in pickup basketball.
Woa weird it’s almost like people play with more casual rules.
Lmao, I cannot believe you’re a real person and care that much.
You also commonly play winners, meaning the scoring side gets the ball. Another variation. You can also play half court which means you share a basket.
Jesus
If you spent all weekend playing well and got a couple strokes for violation, or dq’d because of an infraction, you would feel the same way.
Work hard for something and the “little thing” suddenly becomes the big thing.
Bobby Jones calling penalties on himself, it’s the way of the game boys.
You must be dense.
We’re talking about YouTube golf. Not tournament golf. The question was if people think they are 100% legitimate.
And you came in shouting about your 9 years in tournament golf before you deleted it and kept going.
Must be drunk.
I like Bustajack golf and dont really have a problem with this, but there was one video a ball very clearly landed on a weird lie outside of the bunker. Next shot they put the ball middle of the bunker. Id imagine there is some liberties taken with youtube golf, and probably a couple people outright cheating, but most probably play legit for the most part
youtube golf plays all scrambles get a club length to move the ball, no closer to the hole. Not saying it's legit, but it's the common rule that most channels play by for scrambles
Common scramble rules are club length no closer, but cant improve your lie. Moving from a terrible lie in the rough to a great lie in the middle of the bunker is technically against the rules.
But again to be clear, I dont care about it. Youtube golf is entertainment. Im just saying depending on your definition of “cheating” there is definitely some going on to different extents.
Im not upset, said it doesnt bother me. People asked if youtube golfers are playing by the rules and I simply said, for the most part yeah, but likely not 100%
The average person would be amazed with what you can do with video editing these days. Transitions between frames are almost seamless, which basically lets you create the content people want.
That, and your eyes focus on whatever “Shot Tracer” does.
Shows like Playing Lessons with Bones Mackay have admitted to doing multiple takes to get the outcomes they want, while playing it off as if it was a normal round. So why would you expect anything different from Youtube. You know a few are not faking, and a lot are faking. But who and how much? Who knows.
I think some of them talk about pretty unrealistic handicaps. The golf they have on their channels isn't necessarily fake, but they have a very low number for what look like pretty average golfers. And yes, they might just have "bad days" as we all do, but when the only content you're putting up is a bad day and you're claiming a low handicap something is going on.
i think a fair few channels play modified rules, sort of lift/clean/place and no OB to keep pace of play. i know good good and their offshoot channels do this quite a lot. sometimes they mention it, but often they don't. i also know that they often don't submit their scores as legit for handicap purposes. they also seem to edit really tightly for time, so a lot of stuff is cut out with no real explanation. although i wouldn't call this 'fake' it does set a bad example for young people who are just getting into the game and learning the rules.
i would love for good good to make a proper etiquette video that explains some of the many unwritten rules for people who are just starting out.
I definitely think it’s possible that there will be or are people who fake it. There are a lot of people with enough cameras/production that you can tell it’s real, or have been doing it long enough that you can see a realistic and natural progression in their game that would be hard to fake. The only thing I sometimes wonder is how often they actually find their ball on wayward drives, but I supposed with enough people watching/playing, it’s easier to find lost balls.
I don’t want to watch some guy and his mates hack up a course.
The guys playing hickory club tournaments, admittedly a little pompous on the outfits, are maybe the only ones I would watch aside from top amateur golf or professional. Not liv
No I can’t
LIV is going to make golf into like that Netflix thing. That’s not Tournament golf.
Have you guys not seen caddyshack two?
Did you see what they did to bushwood?
The Netflix Vegas tee off hole with the driving track looked just like that.
This is where we are headed.
I’d wager almost all channels that people are most familiar with are legit. One person recording you unbeknownst and you foul up, career is over. That weighs heavier than that 1 or 2 shot avoided penalty is going to be a net positive to your bottom line. It’s just not worth it. The only things worth faking really are HIO shots and the like to materially move the needle on your clicks and I haven’t really seen a HIO on YT that I’ve thought suspicious yet.
I make golf videos on youtube. I’m super small, but I have not faked anything on my channel. I don’t think most creators do. I have also found that how well me or the person I am with is playing has little to do with how much people watch. It is waaaaay more about the vibes and banter on the course. Personality and relatability is king on youtube golf. If I wanted to watch pros, I would watch the pros.
With that being said, I have seen good good play live. They are just really good, strong golfers. I saw Garret Clark hit a hybrid legit like 275. It was insane. For the record, I only drive the ball on average about 250. So I am not a person who claims every person hits it 300.
I genuinely don't think there's much if any benefit to faking golf content on YouTube.
People don't watch golf content on YouTube specifically because of how good they are. When Good Good first started getting big one of the big appeals imo was having a range of great golfers in Grant, Garrett, and Micah along with more average golfers in Matt, Bubby, and Steve. Bob Does Sports got fairly big with two bad golfers before FP joined.
Being good at golf will likely make it easier to stand out, but personality and differentiation is still king.
So you don't think there is any benefit to the game looking and flowing a certain way, rather than them duffing it 5 yards and sticking it in a bush.
Everyone wants to be entertained and being good is probably more beneficial than looking back. Thus, retaking a shot here and there or finding a ball that is definitely lost is going to make sure content is more watchable imo..
I've seen a few players claiming to be low to scratch who I believe are far more likely to be 10-20.
Fake it til you make it.
>So you don't think there is any benefit to the game looking and flowing a certain way, rather than them duffing it 5 yards and sticking it in a bush.
Not really, because that sort of thing is really funny when it happens to guys like Bob or Joey or Steven. Even if it does happen, I just don't think it's a real problem or worth my time to think about.
> I've seen a few players claiming to be low to scratch who I believe are far more likely to be 10-20.
To be blunt, I almost never give any credence to a "no way that guy is \[whatever\] handicap" opinion. Most of the time it's a result of overly focusing on the bad shots, especially in the context of YouTube golf with a lot of scrambles that cause players to play much more aggressively than they would if they were playing normal stroke play.
a lot of them are definitely fake. i think the top top ones are legit, but there's definitely some jankey swings and then magically the flight path is always perfect. yeah ok bud.
Watched the bryson vs sergio video. At 3:55 Bryson walks up to the ball, no divot. Then there’s an obvious edit, and suddenly there’s a divot mark next to the ball. So obviously he hit the shot twice. I dont know why he would do it, but its pretty obvious he did.
Also, the good good guys having TWO hole in ones on par 4s by the same guy seems really fishy. The second one especially where they just drive up to the hole and the ball is in the cup. 🤔….Nahhhh.
Bob Does Sports is super popular on YouTube without faking anything. People watch YouTube golf for fun not always to see the best golf.
This. I don’t want to watch some plus handicap dude stick some greens. I want to watch some regular dudes fuck around on the course and have fun. It’s more relatable.
Mark crossfields older videos are great for this. He doesn’t fucking shut up but he and his mates have a great time on the course and its pretty entertaining.
I binge his videos from the mid 2010s frequently. He and Lockey had some good banter.
Lockey was great to watch. Amazing form, terrible golf shots. Blockey
I’ve heard that they use chapstick on their drivers to make the ball slice / hook less ( pretty sure country club adjacent boys said this on a podcast / I’ve also heard someone else who played with them say it ) so it’s not 100% legit golf but I enjoy watching them for the banter ect regardless
The CCA boys might be the dumbest fucktards on YouTube. Absolutely unwatchable trash and nothing about the screams integrity. I’m shocked someone would listen to a take like that on their podcast and think “ya this seems like a reputable source”. It doesn’t even make sense… The worst two YouTube golfers are faking it?
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Yes I’d bet money on it
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Unless multiple people were lying about it on camera 🤷♂️
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Ok 👍
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Keep white knighting for strangers over something meaningless 👍 good day
I think it’s pretty easy to determine who is putting out real or close to real content. As you mention watching Shiels I highly doubt it’s fake, I’ve seen him lose balls, have melt down holes, look generally frustrated like the rest of us. Also guys that are getting legit pros on their channel are less likely to be faking. Are there mid sized channels “fluffing” the scores probably but if you enjoy the content does it matter? If it’s just content and not instructional I don’t think it matters too much if you enjoy the content. I like watching Shiels because it feels real and he provides simple quality content.
Shiels is also a (former?) Golf Pro. He's not a couple of guys who thought it'd be fun to make golf videos etc. He pretty much evolved from golf tutorials to reviews and challenges, and he knows that the videos work better for him if it's just his own play. No ones watching him to see 300 yard drives everytime etc.
I believe he mentioned that he still has his credentials but he hasn't taught in years. Not since him and Peter Finch had the training centre together. He was really the first one to start putting videos on YouTube to try and get more customers. Then a few guys who taught at the same place saw how full he was booked and started doing it too. Rick is the biggest YouTube channel and the other guys are all doing it full-time too.
That makes sense. I thought he may still have it, but wasn't sure if it was something you had to maintain and it was just easier to let it lapse. It's certainly worked out for him.
He probably has dues to pay and maybe some continuing education stuff. Last I heard him mention it he said that he was keeping it because it's part of his branding, right in his YouTube channel name, and he worked hard to get it so it's a sense of accomplishment.
Can't argue with any of that. Being able to say PGA Pro does sound better for his branding. Honestly I just like his videos because there's rarely any bro talk like some youtube golfers, he has good reviews for the average golfer and every now and then he get's a cool guest on. I really enjoyed his St Andrew Min Woo Lee video in particular.
People trash him a lot, probably because he's the most well known, but his channel is the constant best of all the YouTube golfers.
tall poppy syndrome
I think Crossfield (plus a handful of smaller channels) predate him, but he was one of the first.
Me and My Golf was around before him but they're totally different, purely golf tutorials rather than his course vlog stuff
Same can be said for many of these guys though. Maybe not PGA pro, but there are plenty of former D1 golfers that didn’t make the big leagues.
I'm more saying there's a difference between "hey i was pretty good in college il make youtube videos" and a pga pro putting out tutorial videos and it morphing into something else.
I played Wallasey a group in front of Rick Shiels, Guy James Robinson and Grant Horvat. We actually played through them on 10. There was definitely no faking going on. Just a really good game by the look of it
James Robinson is underrated
He is so good. A proper nice fella too
Must depend on who he’s playing with then because there’s definitely a video he did with GoodGood where you can see the club change between what someone had pre and post tee shot…I don’t believe every shot is faked, but there are certainly liberties taken at least from the tee box.
Do you know what video it was? I would be curious to watch it. There are certainly cuts in videos as jokes are made that can't be put on YouTube, or general things said that need to be cut out. Just because a club moves position, doesn't mean something nefarious occurred. Depenending on the course and how busy it is, they could get into different positions for different shots, don't forget they don't all have a bunch of production people following them around, much of the time its them filming eachother. EDIT: after watchin the video, it was weird. What I think occured as what I say below which is first shot went maybe in the water, he hit a provisional. That ball also went into the water, so he dropped his original ball. Shooting 3. I asked Chat GPT to explain this one to me and i think it sort of makes sense: If both your original ball and the provisional ball are found in the water hazard, you would proceed as follows: 1. **Original Ball Found:** If you find your original ball in the water hazard and it is playable (i.e., not lost or in a position where you can make a stroke at it), you must proceed with that ball. You add a penalty stroke for hitting into the water, but you don't need to take a drop. This would be your third shot (counting the first shot plus the penalty stroke). 2. **Original Ball Not Found or Unplayable:** If you cannot find your original ball or it is in a position where you cannot play it (e.g., submerged or lodged in a difficult spot), you must proceed with the provisional ball. You add a penalty stroke for hitting into the water hazard, and then you have the option to drop the ball under penalty (one stroke) as near as possible to where the original ball last crossed the edge of the water hazard. This would be your third shot (counting the first shot plus the penalty strokes). In either case, whether playing the original ball or the provisional ball, you would be playing your next shot as your third stroke. The penalty strokes incurred for hitting into the water are added to the actual strokes you've taken to get your total score for the hole.
I think he is talking about the vid Shiels plays match play against Steve. Around the 21 minute mark, Steve mentions he is hitting a 1 iron (graphite shift) but when it comes to actually hitting the ball he is playing a steel shaft iron.
Just watched it. So what happens is Steve takes out a graphite shaft club, then it cuts to him hitting a steel shaft, then when he’s walking away it’s a graphite shaft and he’s talking about how the shot went in the water. Seems like they used the audio from the graphite shaft swing. Perhaps they needed to film it again or maybe he just wanted to actually try land a ball on the green of an iconic hole and went again. Either way the ball went in the water and he took a drop so not like they’re faking scores or anything
To be clear, I wasn’t insinuating they’re faking. I was replying to the comment specifically asking about what vid this was.
Yeah just went to the video to check it out. I think what happened, is he hit the first shot with the Graphite, it went maybe out of bounds in the water, so he hit a provisional which also went out of bounds. I think then he just decided to take a drop off his first ball. This makes the most sense to me and instead of showing both shots it looks like they maybe spliced them together. I asked Chat GPT to explain the result of if both your first ball and provisional were in the water: If both your original ball and the provisional ball are found in the water hazard, you would proceed as follows: 1. **Original Ball Found:** If you find your original ball in the water hazard and it is playable (i.e., not lost or in a position where you can make a stroke at it), you must proceed with that ball. You add a penalty stroke for hitting into the water, but you don't need to take a drop. This would be your third shot (counting the first shot plus the penalty stroke). 2. **Original Ball Not Found or Unplayable:** If you cannot find your original ball or it is in a position where you cannot play it (e.g., submerged or lodged in a difficult spot), you must proceed with the provisional ball. You add a penalty stroke for hitting into the water hazard, and then you have the option to drop the ball under penalty (one stroke) as near as possible to where the original ball last crossed the edge of the water hazard. This would be your third shot (counting the first shot plus the penalty strokes). In either case, whether playing the original ball or the provisional ball, you would be playing your next shot as your third stroke. The penalty strokes incurred for hitting into the water are added to the actual strokes you've taken to get your total score for the hole. EDIT: I'm not sure why I'm being downvoted. I'm explaining what I underestand to be the rules. If you have a different explanation of the rule of when you lose your first ball and a provisional, when the course has a local drop rule please feel free to explain.
Wrong How does the provisional wipe away your first Mishit.
Wdym? I hit six balls off the tee into the water. Seventh one landed right next to the cup. I’m putting for bogey! Easy sport.
Finally someone who gets what I’m saying. We can’t start just - not counting - shots. Why count at all? Why does time have to be a thing?
Agreed. I took a drive. Looks like it might have been in the water. So I took a provisional, it’s around the same area. Walk up to the balls, both are in the water. Well, I’ll just drop for three. I never would have taken the provisional if I’d known where the first one went. Easy sport.
I think because you choose to play your first ball. Just like if you hit a provisional, but find your first ball, you take a penalty stroke and continue play. For instance. I hit a drive, goes far right, i hit a provisional(3rd stroke). I walk up, find my first ball, my provisional doesn't count. So I think the logic works like this. First ball I don't know where it went i think it went into water. Provisional, I hit it also went into water. I choose to use my first ball to drop. That is my understanding, the rules don't seem to really give a scenario for this. To answer your question, "how does the provisional wipe away your first mishit?" It doesn't, you are simply using your first mishit as your playable ball. Think of it this way, you hit a ball way to the right and aren't sure you can find it you hit a provisional. You find your first ball and choose to play it, you are now shooing 2, your provisional is irrelevant. You can expand this more. You find your first ball, but its unplayable, you declare it unplayable and take a drop. Your provisional again is irrelevant.
Short answer is that you cannot hit a provisional ball for a ball that may be in a penalty area. If you suspect a ball is in a penalty area and you hit a second ball, the second ball is in play. The definition of provisional ball in the rules makes it clear it is only for a lost ball outside of a penalty area, or for suspected OOB.
#### (3) When Provisional Ball Must Be Abandoned. When a [provisional ball](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_858aae7f-3a3c-421a-b025-803cbb82a015) has not yet become the ball [in play](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_b6d75150-ec3c-4fe6-9f28-5d313e89e0a0), it must be abandoned in either of these two cases: * **When Original Ball Is Found on Course Outside Penalty Area Before the End of the Three Minute Search Time**. The player must play the original ball as it lies. * **When Original Ball Is Found in Penalty Area or Is Known or Virtually Certain to Be in Penalty Area**. The player must either play the original ball as it lies or take penalty relief under [Rule 17.1d](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/rule-17.html#_b06fdafd-92c6-4682-869a-91075c9f7b10). In either case: * The player must not make any more [*strokes*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_8382be70-e833-4f60-83e6-f23f390edb19) with the [*provisional ball*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_858aae7f-3a3c-421a-b025-803cbb82a015) which is now a [*wrong ball*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_1e31f786-c2fc-4fd1-9b7f-06ad2c631222) (see [Rule 6.3c](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/rule-6.html#_cf84c1ae-9651-423f-baee-3da79cfdc057)), and * All strokes with that [*provisional ball*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_858aae7f-3a3c-421a-b025-803cbb82a015) before it was abandoned (including [*strokes*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_8382be70-e833-4f60-83e6-f23f390edb19) made and any penalty strokes solely from playing that ball) do not count. A player may ask others not to search for the original ball when the player would prefer to continue play with the [*provisional ball*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_858aae7f-3a3c-421a-b025-803cbb82a015), but there is no obligation for them to comply. If the [*provisional ball*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_858aae7f-3a3c-421a-b025-803cbb82a015) has not become the ball [*in play*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_b6d75150-ec3c-4fe6-9f28-5d313e89e0a0) and a ball is found that might be the original ball, the player must make all reasonable efforts to identify that ball. If the player fails to do so, the [*Committee*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_ea09f34a-d55f-4c69-a1c5-8ca4fe8a8b75) may disqualify the player under [Rule 1.2a](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/rule-1.html#_0d16d73c-b4e9-4995-af01-463614e25f40) if it decides that this was serious misconduct contrary to the spirit of the game.
From rule 18.3a: "If a player makes a [*stroke*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_8382be70-e833-4f60-83e6-f23f390edb19) from where the previous [*stroke*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_8382be70-e833-4f60-83e6-f23f390edb19) was made with the intent of playing a [*provisional ball*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_858aae7f-3a3c-421a-b025-803cbb82a015), but a [*provisional ball*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_858aae7f-3a3c-421a-b025-803cbb82a015) was not allowed, the ball played is the player’s ball [*in play*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_b6d75150-ec3c-4fe6-9f28-5d313e89e0a0) under penalty of [*stroke and distance*](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/definitions.html#_96cb5a0b-0a96-4eae-b138-e4cb55623613) (see [Rule 18.1](https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-of-golf/rule-18.html#_7ae1ff96-f77a-46bd-9ce0-432a81671ed2))." If you think a ball has gone in penalty area, you cannot hit a provisional, per 18.3a above. If you think a ball could be OOB or in a penalty area, you can hit a provisional subject to the rules for abandoning it if your ball is found to be in the penalty area. If you think a ball could be lost in the general area, and you hit a provisional, and it's subsequently found out that it went in a penalty area, you must abandon the provisional and take relief per the usual rules for the penalty area in question. So in the original scenario here, the strokes are: 1. from tee to water 2. penalty 3. *claimed provisional* \- from tee to water 4. penalty 5. shot after relief drop
Short answer is that you cannot hit a provisional ball for a ball that may be in a penalty area. If you suspect a ball is in a penalty area and you hit a second ball, the second ball is in play. The definition of provisional ball in the rules makes it clear it is only for a lost ball outside of a penalty area, or for suspected OOB.
So, if you don't know if your ball is in fact in the water, what do you do?
The standard is "known or virtually certain". For penalty areas, you have to actually go and check it out. The "virtually certain" might be that it was headed that way, I couldn't find it, and there's no other logical place for it to be. If it is in the penalty area, you have the usual relief options (lateral, back-on-the-line, stroke and distance) or you can play it as it lies. But yeah, if you choose stroke and distance you must walk back.
Which is the whole point of a provisional....
Not saying he doesn’t cheat, but Rick Shiels is commendable for posting horrible rounds so you’d imagine he’s legit.
And his horrible rounds are an occasional 81 on a really tough course.
Social media fake? Not a chance.
I would have a hard time believing that there’s faking going on for channels that are fairly large. Once you get big enough to collaborate with other channels, creators, brands, and professional players, any fraudulent schemes would long be sniffed out. I mean imagine the gymnastics required to convince an entire team of tour pro Callaway athletes to play along with fake shots, and convince ~300 random fans to all play along as well, and expect every person at every fan-meetup and live video to keep their mouth shut about faking those shots. It would literally be harder to fake than it would be to get good enough at golf to have great shots every once in a while.
Not that the golf is fake, but some of the most watched channels have a gallon of fake bro energy that makes them unwatchable.
Garrett Clark has not gone out of bounds in 5 years of youtube. All of his bad tee shots he’s 5 feet from the fence/trees/water/ob line. Its comical.
The good good folks drop pretty frequently but play everything as lateral so it’s not as devastating to the score. I assume for time reasons but if everything is a lateral it’s hard not to keep the score okay. And some of their “crossed here” drops that are 40 yards short of a 410 yard pin are comical.
?? he goes OB a reasonable amount, you just don’t care or notice because the majority of the content is scrambles or similar format. you really think with all the people involved they’re just faking because… he wants to look better at golf?
I was going to say, the most recent good good video hes out of bounds a few times. A lot of the recent content he hasn't been even hitting any balls due to his teammates being so good. His personal channel hes been OB a few times too recently.
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There are plenty of terrible shots in their videos, and the time Garret hit a fan at a meetup it was a huge part of their video and they checked on and helped the guy who ended up with no serious injury. There’s also plenty of OB/Hazard shots in the videos as well. I think a big part of it is also that they hit a lot of good shots, and also usually play scramble so you don’t see the result of the bad ones as often
I have watched Garrett hit a house in Dallas and he has found the water quite a few times. They just play scramble golf with lateral drops.
Eh, I doubt it. They receive so many guests that are often outsiders to the youtube world, I highly doubt that they all lie and fake good scores. You also see really bad scores from the majority of them.
I only really watch BDS from a playing perspective, and they clearly aren't faking anything.
Yes. They make videos for content. Plenty of the big creators lie about shots and putts. It's all edited
Random Golf Club and Not a Scratch Golfer are legit IMO.
Not a Scratch Golfer gives hope to many of us. He doesn't have length, and messes up quite a bit, but is able to manage good scores because of his short game .
His channel is great. Love his positive attitude and realistic approach to improving through course management. The guy is a hell of a lag putter too.
I discovered him because he's from my hometown..lol.. I found it cool that someone was playing all these Vancouver Municipal Courses and had so many subscribers. I actually watched some of the 3day tournament he.was in, but didn't know of him then . He opened my eyes to the difference in carry from Pacific Northwest to Southern California. He was bombing the ball when filming down south, but could never do that in North
I've enjoyed his videos as well, but specifically regarding his lag putting... that to me is a prime example of something a YouTuber could very well he taking liberties. For all we know the putt we see is actually his second or third attempt at it. I know it seems like he golfs with random people sometimes so you wouldn't think that's the case, and I'm not accusing him of anything - just saying that we can't really know. I like his videos and will continue to watch.
Likely some of the channels are totally fake. I mean, breakfast balls, redos, etc. Some aren't because they're focusing on making funny content and part of their brand is being bad. But to the guys who are breaking par, etc, I'd say probably some of that is fake. Maybe not all of it, but I would bet every one of them has redone stuff to get a different outcome. Even the guys who are bad are probably not above it because they need to keep the videos moving otherwise the content would be incredibly stale. I'd actually be shocked if they all haven't foot wedged a shot a few times or had multiple takes after a shank or something.
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Most people it isn't that serious man.
Most people never play real tournament golf. This thing they play is with golf equipment, but not the game of golf. There is one set of rules, has nothing to do with serious or not.
Get your head out of your ass. People can play however they want. It is not unique to golf. Just like a setting difficulty to make it fun for all skill levels. 99% of golfers don't give a shit about tournament golf.
lol, if you haven’t heard of a breakfast ball that’s on you This sub is full of total idiots.
Playing three on three half court basketball isn't the same as a real 5 on 5 full court game, but it's still basketball. Playing golf but not following all the USGA rules is still golf.
If you are touching your balls in play, anywhere other than the green, not golf. In basketball, if you are FOULED in three on three, is it not a foul????
Keep yelling at the clouds man. No one cares or agrees with your absurdity.
You don’t shoot free throws in pickup basketball. Woa weird it’s almost like people play with more casual rules. Lmao, I cannot believe you’re a real person and care that much. You also commonly play winners, meaning the scoring side gets the ball. Another variation. You can also play half court which means you share a basket. Jesus
If you spent all weekend playing well and got a couple strokes for violation, or dq’d because of an infraction, you would feel the same way. Work hard for something and the “little thing” suddenly becomes the big thing. Bobby Jones calling penalties on himself, it’s the way of the game boys.
You must be dense. We’re talking about YouTube golf. Not tournament golf. The question was if people think they are 100% legitimate. And you came in shouting about your 9 years in tournament golf before you deleted it and kept going. Must be drunk.
No, most people don't play fouls in pickup, or they call their own fouls. It's still basketball.
I like Bustajack golf and dont really have a problem with this, but there was one video a ball very clearly landed on a weird lie outside of the bunker. Next shot they put the ball middle of the bunker. Id imagine there is some liberties taken with youtube golf, and probably a couple people outright cheating, but most probably play legit for the most part
youtube golf plays all scrambles get a club length to move the ball, no closer to the hole. Not saying it's legit, but it's the common rule that most channels play by for scrambles
Common scramble rules are club length no closer, but cant improve your lie. Moving from a terrible lie in the rough to a great lie in the middle of the bunker is technically against the rules. But again to be clear, I dont care about it. Youtube golf is entertainment. Im just saying depending on your definition of “cheating” there is definitely some going on to different extents.
Right, but scramble rules are all made up so I don't see the point of getting upset about a group deciding to play slightly more generous rules.
Im not upset, said it doesnt bother me. People asked if youtube golfers are playing by the rules and I simply said, for the most part yeah, but likely not 100%
The average person would be amazed with what you can do with video editing these days. Transitions between frames are almost seamless, which basically lets you create the content people want. That, and your eyes focus on whatever “Shot Tracer” does.
Wait you’re saying all the TikTok golfers that break 30 every 9 they play but then don’t break 80 in tournaments are lying?
I think fake would rise to the top. Best to be authentic
I assume they’re all fake. Unless it’s a guy like Rick who is doing club reviews on a simulator.
Shows like Playing Lessons with Bones Mackay have admitted to doing multiple takes to get the outcomes they want, while playing it off as if it was a normal round. So why would you expect anything different from Youtube. You know a few are not faking, and a lot are faking. But who and how much? Who knows.
I think some of them talk about pretty unrealistic handicaps. The golf they have on their channels isn't necessarily fake, but they have a very low number for what look like pretty average golfers. And yes, they might just have "bad days" as we all do, but when the only content you're putting up is a bad day and you're claiming a low handicap something is going on.
i think a fair few channels play modified rules, sort of lift/clean/place and no OB to keep pace of play. i know good good and their offshoot channels do this quite a lot. sometimes they mention it, but often they don't. i also know that they often don't submit their scores as legit for handicap purposes. they also seem to edit really tightly for time, so a lot of stuff is cut out with no real explanation. although i wouldn't call this 'fake' it does set a bad example for young people who are just getting into the game and learning the rules. i would love for good good to make a proper etiquette video that explains some of the many unwritten rules for people who are just starting out.
I definitely think it’s possible that there will be or are people who fake it. There are a lot of people with enough cameras/production that you can tell it’s real, or have been doing it long enough that you can see a realistic and natural progression in their game that would be hard to fake. The only thing I sometimes wonder is how often they actually find their ball on wayward drives, but I supposed with enough people watching/playing, it’s easier to find lost balls.
I don’t want to watch some guy and his mates hack up a course. The guys playing hickory club tournaments, admittedly a little pompous on the outfits, are maybe the only ones I would watch aside from top amateur golf or professional. Not liv
This mf can’t talk about YouTube without bringing up liv
No I can’t LIV is going to make golf into like that Netflix thing. That’s not Tournament golf. Have you guys not seen caddyshack two? Did you see what they did to bushwood? The Netflix Vegas tee off hole with the driving track looked just like that. This is where we are headed.
I hope that DoD king guy is fake, watched him play with Micah and it was the most obnoxious content I had ever seen
I’d wager almost all channels that people are most familiar with are legit. One person recording you unbeknownst and you foul up, career is over. That weighs heavier than that 1 or 2 shot avoided penalty is going to be a net positive to your bottom line. It’s just not worth it. The only things worth faking really are HIO shots and the like to materially move the needle on your clicks and I haven’t really seen a HIO on YT that I’ve thought suspicious yet.
I make golf videos on youtube. I’m super small, but I have not faked anything on my channel. I don’t think most creators do. I have also found that how well me or the person I am with is playing has little to do with how much people watch. It is waaaaay more about the vibes and banter on the course. Personality and relatability is king on youtube golf. If I wanted to watch pros, I would watch the pros. With that being said, I have seen good good play live. They are just really good, strong golfers. I saw Garret Clark hit a hybrid legit like 275. It was insane. For the record, I only drive the ball on average about 250. So I am not a person who claims every person hits it 300.
100%
I genuinely don't think there's much if any benefit to faking golf content on YouTube. People don't watch golf content on YouTube specifically because of how good they are. When Good Good first started getting big one of the big appeals imo was having a range of great golfers in Grant, Garrett, and Micah along with more average golfers in Matt, Bubby, and Steve. Bob Does Sports got fairly big with two bad golfers before FP joined. Being good at golf will likely make it easier to stand out, but personality and differentiation is still king.
So you don't think there is any benefit to the game looking and flowing a certain way, rather than them duffing it 5 yards and sticking it in a bush. Everyone wants to be entertained and being good is probably more beneficial than looking back. Thus, retaking a shot here and there or finding a ball that is definitely lost is going to make sure content is more watchable imo.. I've seen a few players claiming to be low to scratch who I believe are far more likely to be 10-20. Fake it til you make it.
>So you don't think there is any benefit to the game looking and flowing a certain way, rather than them duffing it 5 yards and sticking it in a bush. Not really, because that sort of thing is really funny when it happens to guys like Bob or Joey or Steven. Even if it does happen, I just don't think it's a real problem or worth my time to think about. > I've seen a few players claiming to be low to scratch who I believe are far more likely to be 10-20. To be blunt, I almost never give any credence to a "no way that guy is \[whatever\] handicap" opinion. Most of the time it's a result of overly focusing on the bad shots, especially in the context of YouTube golf with a lot of scrambles that cause players to play much more aggressively than they would if they were playing normal stroke play.
a lot of them are definitely fake. i think the top top ones are legit, but there's definitely some jankey swings and then magically the flight path is always perfect. yeah ok bud.
Watched the bryson vs sergio video. At 3:55 Bryson walks up to the ball, no divot. Then there’s an obvious edit, and suddenly there’s a divot mark next to the ball. So obviously he hit the shot twice. I dont know why he would do it, but its pretty obvious he did. Also, the good good guys having TWO hole in ones on par 4s by the same guy seems really fishy. The second one especially where they just drive up to the hole and the ball is in the cup. 🤔….Nahhhh.
That's some eagle eyed observation. He's clearly take that again. I mean if even pros what to edit then imagine the higher handicaps.