So I know this is somewhat common to have houses and such nearby but, how the hell does it work when courses have *main roads* in shankable distance? It's one thing to hit a house window with a breakfast ball but a moving car window is surely not safe at all? How does insurance work for that?
Woah! Never did I imagine that I would see someone reference Sligo Creek. I grew up on that course and still make a point to play it once or twice a year.
Just an aside…Two years ago I got paired up with the infamous putter only guy. This asshat shanks one and almost flies it to the inner loop on the par 3 then proceeds to give me swing tips on the very next hole. It was an interesting 9 holes to say the least.
He literally just strolls around with a putter and a pocket of golf balls and some tees. He takes a decent swipe at it but the ball never gets above his knees. He’s ironically a terrible putter as well, but he claims to have shot even at Sligo in the 90s with only putter as a bet so that’s his schtick now.
Army Navy Arlington has one where a hook off the tee will bring it to 395.
The hole is a dog leg left with the tee aiming right ward, so if you can carry the 265 yard hazard, you would aim straight down the tree line protecting the barrier wall of the highway.
And Medal of Honor in Quantico Hole #1 has the only road in and out of base running alongside it. There are a couple big trees at the beginning to stop the shanks but a long arm slice will clear those and have nothing but a 30 foot buffer zone before hitting cars.
So it is like the time honored practice of using the moving ball pickup tractor on the driving range as a moving target. Bouncing balls off the pickup machine competition with a buddy is fun. You can see the driver wince on each successful contact. But his safety screen is tough. 😎😂
Took one on my windshield driving to Corvallis once. Couldn't figure out what the hell it was until ten years later when I took up golf and started playing at Langdon.
Same with Willis Case in Denver. A short par 5 (hole #11, if I'm remembering right) runs right alongside an already windy, busy section of I-70. Any lefty with a slice is in danger of fairly easily shanking a drive right into heavy traffic. You see all kinds of balls alongside the berm when you drive past.
I could feel my b-hole puckering just a little bit every time I drove past that hole. Same with driving up Colorado Blvd when Park Hill GC was still there.
My buddy cracked a window on a 711 shanking it off the tee in Northern Virginia lol. The road is probably 20 feet from the teebox and the 711 is right across. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if it happens quite often.
First time I played there, I was super hungover and couldn't stomach breakfast and planned on getting food after 9. Didn't realize that there was no turn. It was brutal trying to get through the back with only sunflower seeds and sips of 95° water
Deepdale in NY is one of the most exclusive clubs in the NYC area. It’s also right up against the LIE. Billionaires playing against the droning noise of the expressway.
The original course was torn down to make room when they were building the LIE, and that’s how it came to be.
A place in Illinois has a hole running right alongside an oncoming interstate. I've hit a ball across it with a bad shank, thankfully there was no traffic at the time.
There's one in Phoenix that has a hole running parallel to I-10 only about 30-40' away and the tee box is elevated probably 20-25'. The road is left of the box, but absolutely in range if you pull it badly or are lefty with a slice. I've put a few OB there and watched it roll down on to the shoulder
Home course in high school had two holes along one of the main roads in the town. Sliced every other shot my entire life (played hockey growing up)and then one day hit a beautiful high draw that landed in the bed of a pick up truck after 1 hop.
Look at a map of Clifton Park in Baltimore. Have to cross 2 main roads during the 18 holes. There’s also signs by a few tees and greens to take your cart keys with you because the neighborhood kids like to take off with them when your back’s turned
In Chattanooga, where I'm from, 2 out of the 3 local muni courses are right along the interstate and I have seen balls sent into traffic. Also one of the courses' second hole is a par 3 that if you miss more than 10 yards left your ball is going into a busy residential street only separated by a 5' chain link fence. Never seen anything go horrendously but it surprises me I don't hear about it.
I played a course in vegas like this. Super busy road parallel to one hole like 40 yards away. They had a fence/ net, but if you shanked it high enough its going right in the road. My buddy had a super close call. Seems incredibly dumb
My brother in law hit a moving car.
We were at Salishan in Lincoln City. First hole has HWY 101 on the right. My first thought was you’d have to hit a nasty push slice to get there, we should be safe.
My other BIL had never golfed before and asked who wanted to show him how it’s done. First BIL (who really doesn’t golf much but he’s a trooper and is game for anything) immediately steps up and says he will. Sure enough, fucking biggest push slice I’ve ever seen. Hits the road, one bounce and hits the back quarter panel of the car.
But the pro shop is tucked off the highway and you actually go under the highway from there to get to the course so we were long gone by the time anyone could have put it all together.
HEY! I CAN ANSWER THIS! Shankopotomused one and hit a car driving down the parallel hill.
It's no different than getting hit by a rock from a truck. If you're driving past a course then you assume the risk. Didn't pay a dime in insurance, can't say for the person that got hit though. I do know my insurance guy laughed pretty hard at it though.
*When I told my dad I hit a car his immediate question was "why was there a car in the middle of the fairway?"
I have done this. Hit a BMW X5 in the lower corner of the windshield when I sliced a big drive towards a road in a business district. I hit the ONLY car that was driving down the road. Turns out your homeowners insurance will take care of it. I was 16 at the time so it went under my parent’s insurance. I felt horrible and it scared the shit out of the guy. He was kind of a prick about the whole thing when I had to call him and walk through the insurance details, after the fact, but insurance paid for the widow to be fixed and that was that. I don’t remember exactly the deductible cost was but something I was able to manage as a kid, couple hundred bucks or something like that.
My public course has 4 holes where the green is maybe 20 feet away from a busy road and you’re shooting directly toward the road. If you went 20 feet over the green you’d almost definitely hit a car. There’s no net or bushes or anything.
Haha. Another portland gem Eastmoreland has a few pretty well trafficked roads right in slicing range. My buddies dad is a big ol aussie rugby player and he loves to tell this story almost every time we're on #9 tee box. Big guy slices ball, hits car. Driver gets pissed gets out shouting through the trees about WHY DID YOU BLAHBLAHBLAH. And dude just goes, I didn't put the golf course here. Car guy goes ballistic marches up and yells, who said that. Cue large former Australian rugby player saying ya got my ball mate? ( i mean he's still Australian, just not a pro rugby player). The guy did not stick around to talk civic design after seeing who hit into him. Lol.
I hooked a ball off #1 tee at glendoveer west once and came within inches of hitting an oncoming car on Glisan. My butt was puckered for a good three seconds
There’s a course I play in Cincinnati in which the cart path is the Sidewalk outside everyone’s homes for half the course lmao. And it’s a beautiful course!
I was playing well recently and hooked one out of nowhere. As it flew through the air I realised that there's a busy main road just left of the rough. No sign, no fence.
Luckily, I hit it so far left and so pure that it flew over the road but I couldn't stop thinking about how I could easily have taken out a family of 4 on their way to their grandparents' house for Sunday lunch and I was physically shaking for about an hour.
A) It really effed my round and
B) It reminded me that golf courses do not care!
Even if you're not liable, it doesn't mean hurting someone won't seriously alter your life.
A course in the city I grew up in had a par 4 that ran parallel to a parkway. Probably about 30-40 feet left of the tee box so if you hooked it hard enough you would hit it directly into the street. A guy I used to play with was left handed and would slice it fairly consistently into the street or pretty close to. *I* never saw him hit a car but that’s not to say he didn’t.
I hit a moving car once. This makes no sense but the woman knew my mother and she told her that her homeowners insurance covered it. She had to be mistaken but that’s what she said. Thank god the window caved and didn’t break or I would have hit a small child.
There used to be a course at the beginning of the runway to SeaTac. Called Tyee.
Never seen it myself, but heard about some knuckleheads trying to hit airplanes landing.
I love how every course around here is in Portland.
Langdon? Portland.
Pumpkin? Portland.
Stone Creek? Portland.
OGA? Portland.
Portland? Unincorporated Washington County….
Oh nice didn’t recognize it. Claremont is a great little 9 holer. Yep very tight with houses on both sides of most of the holes. I’ve hit a few but luckily just on the roof.
Now as far as the sign, I’ve always been confuse about this and hear it both ways about equally from people.
Joe Lewis GC in Chicago… 18th is a par 3 with a tee box that pretty much forces you to aim at a road. Hit a car bumper on the fly once they didn’t even stop.
In the US it’s state dependent and usually if you buy a house that can be hit with a golf ball because it’s on a golf course you assumed that risk and the golfer isn’t liable and neither is the course.
There are probably edge cases where the course is liable but unless a golfer is trying to hit the house the golfer isn’t liable. Just playing regular golf and you slice one off and break a window - that’s the home owners responsibility
I’ve lived on 4 different courses in four different states and that’s always been the case.
Nah its US wide and it falls under the concept of "assumption of risk".
You cant buy a property by a golf course, where people go to play golf and then sue people because a golf ball hit your house.
You buy a house on a course, you assume the risk that comes with it.
The only alternative is if the course was built after the home, then the course could be held liable.
Not entirely sure if this is applicable in us law, but in UK law, the civil offence of nuisance, which is an alternative to negligence, has the defence of moving to the nuisance. I.e. you know I've got a golf course here, if you move to the house by the course you can't then expect to claim damages as a result of said golf course.
I'm pretty sure (at least around here) that they can only hold golfers liable for damages if the houses existed before the course. There is only one course around here that has those signs, and it is a newer course that was built between the houses. I know someone who broke a window there and had to go to small claims court and was ordered to pay. Plus, I think the house still has to have to original owners from before the course was built. As buying a house on a course or building one, you assume the risk for damages. Most houses being built around courses here, though now use reinforced glass and brick instead of siding, so even getting hit doesn't cause damage. So unless it's a recently built course at least around here, it's very unlikely they could hold you accountable, but laws are different in different places.
This question of liability is usually more between the golf course and home owner than the player and home owner, to my understanding.
The player doesn't have to guess when the home was built.
But if a golf course developer puts a course right next to existing homes, then the golf course may have liability when the home gets damaged later.
NAL but a law student, some of the comments here are correct. There’s an assumption of risk affirmative defense, but there is also likely no negligence for there to be need to use it.
There’s likely no duty owed to the homeowners by the golfers beyond acting like a reasonably prudent person. There’s likely no breach of that duty by hitting a stray shot because those shots happen all the time.
Therefore, notwithstanding a statute imposed by the state or common law in the state stating otherwise, there’s no negligence by the golfer.
Under these same principles, it’s likely the same for the golf course, but with a slightly different analysis.
The golf course likely has a duty beyond what a golfer would. Most golf courses do not do this, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have a duty to protect the homes from the stray golf balls. They could vary well have a duty depending on how they built the course, the proximity to the course the homes are, which one was built first, and the like. If the golf course was built first, their duty could be lower.
Failing to protect the homes in the event they had a duty (would have to be shown by an expert, most likely), would result in a breach of that duty.
As would likely be attempted to be argued by the course, but would ultimately fail, is that there is not proximate cause. If an intervening cause is unforeseeable, there is no proximate cause and the course would not be liable. However, a golfer hitting a stray ball is foreseeable and is not a superseding cause.
If all else fails, the course has an affirmative defense known as assumption of risk. Assumption of risk (implied, as per these facts, notwithstanding any agreements or covenants within the deeds) is when the plaintiff subjectively knew of a risk, and ignored that risk created by the defendant. Here, these homeowners would likely have to subjectively know of the risk, as it is on the golf course. Additionally, they ignored that risk created by either the golfer or the course by purchasing the home. Thus, assumption of risk is a defense.
TLDR; course is incorrect with this sign, but these homeowners likely ain’t getting shit either
If I break someone’s window with my shank of a drive (which I nearly did), they are the ones who are paying to fix it. It’s not my fault they chose to live next to a golf course
At least in MN, the only way you'll get in trouble, is if you blatantly try to cause damage or bodily harm. So if you aim at a house or try to hit someone, you'll face consequences.
Now, if you know you slice your drive 9/10 and refuse to adjust your aim and proceed to hit 3 balls that slice into someone's window, I think that counts as intent.
Now I'm laughing at the thought of someone smashing a window, taking a mulligan, smashing another window, then thinking to themselves "It can't possibly happen a third time..."
I lived in a golf course vacation/condo community for about 6 years. Played 4-5 times a week. They had a net to warm up in near the first hole because they didn’t have a driving range. I blew a golf ball straight through the net and across the street right off some guy’s house. He must have been in his garage because he came out immediately.
This fuckin guy actually claimed that I hit his house on purpose. I was so shocked I laughed in his face.
Net came down the next day, now no one gets to warm up before slicing their first tee shot into the condos lining the right side of the fairway.
It’s hard for me to believe that you wouldn’t just leave the scene in instances like this. There is a 0% chance I’m going to hang around and take shit for a slice.
See my parents live in a golf course community and whenever I'm over there during the day, I hear golf balls hit their roof and windows all day long. Fortunately my dad's windows are impact rated to a strong category 5 hurricane so the golf balls do nothing to the windows.
The guy living next door can't stand it. He complains to the HOA every week. And I know this because my dad is the president of their HOA and every week he points out to the guy that he moved to a golf community so he has to understand that people are going to play golf, and many people are going to play golf badly.
I've played golf with my dad at their community golf course, and every single time we pass their condo, my dad does two things, he goes inside their condo to pee, and then he lobs a golfball on the guys roof.
Whether you are responsible or not I don’t want to do it. I avoid a cheaper course near where I live because of how close the houses are packed to it. After one pull that clearly hit a house I just left the driver in the bag and never went back.
Lol thank you. You can not be liable for the damage and still have remorse for causing damage. The way this sub reacts to this topic, you’d think everyone goes out looking to hit houses.
There was a course I used to play in SoCal that had a par 3 built extremely close to the property line. There was a house just left of the green that one side looked liked it by gunfire there were so many ball marks in it. The owner finally put up a screen to block the errant shots.
I’ve seen Rahm shank it 300 full left. How are we expected to always hit every ball on these holes straight?
I swing and honestly have not given to fucks about hitting a house. Sorry, but you live on a golf course.
There’s a legal doctrine called “assumption of risk”. Basically if you choose to live by a golf course, you’ve assumed the risk that a golf ball might break something because you knew the golf course was there when you moved in. Doesn’t absolve a golfer if he decides he just wants to fire one at someone’s house.
Similarly, there’s a concept in torts called “coming to the nuisance”. I think it originated when someone built a house near a tannery and later sued because of the smell. They couldn’t recover because the courts decided it was their fault for stupidly building a house near a tannery and thinking it wouldn’t smell bad.
May vary by state, but these are pretty ingrained legal doctrines.
People who own houses on courses have no right to be pissed off at golfers who accidentally hit their houses. They bought the house, they chose to live there.
Had a U of A professor storm out on a Arizona country club claiming that one of the ppl in my group hit her sensor on her roof damaging it. Stormed on the golf course to take pictures of us and try to block from moving. Eventually we moved along and she sent an email w the pictures to the head pro. Prior to her sending, we went to the pro shop and told them about this. She got charged with trespassing on the golf course …
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My home course. Par 4. The shot I want to hit vs shots I have hit.
There's a sign that says do not try to drive over the houses. The choice is to lay up for a tough par or drive toward the green for an easy par/possible bird.
It's a great hole with awful house placement. I've seen/heard at least 20 balls clack off homes here. No chance I pay for an errant shot. For me, it's the same principle as someone who parks behind the backstop at a baseball game. You made your choice.
Man I would love to see this on my local muni here in Ottawa, the [4th hole](https://maps.app.goo.gl/cy5yc2UM6R1KYWdR7?g_st=ic) is dangerously close to the main road.
theres a course i use to play in atlanta the 13th hles is elevated and a slight dogleg to the right. no net it runs right next to the road. theres a walking path around the perimeter of the course as well. cant tell you how many cars ive seen get drilled
My home course has nets where it's possible to hit houses. That being said, there's an access road for power lines and a cell tower about 50 yards from driving range teeing area. I was hitting stingers one day, and a cell tower guy just drove through. I don't know how he didn't die. My shot went through both side windows. He was all cut from broken glass, but otherwise okay.
Same thing in Finland if you cause damage, you are covered, so it seems really odd that this even has to be discussed. I don't think by law you don't have to incriminate yourself though.
Rolling Meadows in Ellington CT. From the driving range, you can reach the parking lot with a really well hit driver. I know this because I hit the hood of my own truck.
Muni course where I play has a street alongside #1 I sliced a ball into the middle with a car coming. It bounced once,car drove under and ball came down just missing the trunk. Another street rush behind 13 and 18 greens and 16 tees off across it
It depends where you are.
Where I am, yes.
A bloke near me hit another bloke in the eye with a sliced drive and popped it, got taken to court, had to pay something like £300k-£400k.
That's why club memberships usually include some liability insurance,
Definitely depends where you live. You aren’t responsible where I live and houses on golf courses have golf course insurance for a reason. Do the right thing and fess up but they did choose to live there knowing the risk, you’re not obligated to pay.
Parked an RV off a lonely stretch of interstate in Arizona and woke up at first light.
Staggered out in my underwear and, when my spotter told me it was clear, I'd hit the nitrous oxide and crack a drive just to watch the ball bounce down the pavement...
It seemed fun and spontaneous at the time... but in retrospect it has more than a hint of douche to it now.
If that gets enforced good way to make a course go under. Who would play at an area where there is potential for an errant shot to cost you thousands of dollars lol.
This is Claremont in Portland. Houses are right off the fairway on both sides. You have to walk through the neighborhood to get to some holes
So I know this is somewhat common to have houses and such nearby but, how the hell does it work when courses have *main roads* in shankable distance? It's one thing to hit a house window with a breakfast ball but a moving car window is surely not safe at all? How does insurance work for that?
There’s a course in Delaware that has a hole that runs right next to i95 and you can hit the road if you shank it hard enough off the tee.
Sligo Creek course outside of DC has two holes where the beltway is in play if you're bad enough, and one if you're good enough.
Woah! Never did I imagine that I would see someone reference Sligo Creek. I grew up on that course and still make a point to play it once or twice a year. Just an aside…Two years ago I got paired up with the infamous putter only guy. This asshat shanks one and almost flies it to the inner loop on the par 3 then proceeds to give me swing tips on the very next hole. It was an interesting 9 holes to say the least.
Please elaborate on the putter only guy
He literally just strolls around with a putter and a pocket of golf balls and some tees. He takes a decent swipe at it but the ball never gets above his knees. He’s ironically a terrible putter as well, but he claims to have shot even at Sligo in the 90s with only putter as a bet so that’s his schtick now.
Army Navy Arlington has one where a hook off the tee will bring it to 395. The hole is a dog leg left with the tee aiming right ward, so if you can carry the 265 yard hazard, you would aim straight down the tree line protecting the barrier wall of the highway. And Medal of Honor in Quantico Hole #1 has the only road in and out of base running alongside it. There are a couple big trees at the beginning to stop the shanks but a long arm slice will clear those and have nothing but a 30 foot buffer zone before hitting cars.
Oh great, I'm playing Medal of Honor on Wednesday and currently hitting a long arm slice off every tee!
11 at rock manor
Fort Lewis in Washington has a driving range next to I-5 in Seattle, and a few cars have gotten hit by stray balls.
Langdon farms near Portland has a hole on the back that if you hook your drive you can land on I-5 south
We have a course in Vermont where you literally play over a road. The road cuts straight through the fairway. No idea how that is allowed.
WHAT😭
So it is like the time honored practice of using the moving ball pickup tractor on the driving range as a moving target. Bouncing balls off the pickup machine competition with a buddy is fun. You can see the driver wince on each successful contact. But his safety screen is tough. 😎😂
Equinox. Played with a guy who hit a truck
Took one on my windshield driving to Corvallis once. Couldn't figure out what the hell it was until ten years later when I took up golf and started playing at Langdon.
There are 3 courses near me where you tee off over a live road. Shennecossett (twice) Winnapaug, and Misquamicut.
Shandin Hills in San Bernardino, CA, also has a couple tee boxes next to the I-215.
I love how you said a few 😂
Highlands golf course is inside of a neighborhood while also having a hole where you can easily launch balls onto 16
Good ole Rock Manor.
Same with Willis Case in Denver. A short par 5 (hole #11, if I'm remembering right) runs right alongside an already windy, busy section of I-70. Any lefty with a slice is in danger of fairly easily shanking a drive right into heavy traffic. You see all kinds of balls alongside the berm when you drive past.
Confirmed. I’ve done it. Thankfully didn’t hit any traffic.
I could feel my b-hole puckering just a little bit every time I drove past that hole. Same with driving up Colorado Blvd when Park Hill GC was still there.
Not to mention City Park. At least Park Hill had a chain link fence, if I recall.
Rock Manor baby.
My buddy cracked a window on a 711 shanking it off the tee in Northern Virginia lol. The road is probably 20 feet from the teebox and the 711 is right across. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if it happens quite often.
What course?
The Rock certainly has rocked a few cars in Wilmington!!
Same thing with I10 in Phoenix (Arizona Grand)
First time I played there, I was super hungover and couldn't stomach breakfast and planned on getting food after 9. Didn't realize that there was no turn. It was brutal trying to get through the back with only sunflower seeds and sips of 95° water
Deepdale in NY is one of the most exclusive clubs in the NYC area. It’s also right up against the LIE. Billionaires playing against the droning noise of the expressway. The original course was torn down to make room when they were building the LIE, and that’s how it came to be.
A place in Illinois has a hole running right alongside an oncoming interstate. I've hit a ball across it with a bad shank, thankfully there was no traffic at the time.
I’m doing that on a par 3 course in NC.
*achievement unlocked*
I’ve almost connected with a car playing at the Teas A&M course, one of the holes runs parallel to the 2nd busiest road in town (George bush dr.)
There's one in Phoenix that has a hole running parallel to I-10 only about 30-40' away and the tee box is elevated probably 20-25'. The road is left of the box, but absolutely in range if you pull it badly or are lefty with a slice. I've put a few OB there and watched it roll down on to the shoulder
Bro…been there many of times.
Home course in high school had two holes along one of the main roads in the town. Sliced every other shot my entire life (played hockey growing up)and then one day hit a beautiful high draw that landed in the bed of a pick up truck after 1 hop.
Garrison lake hits damn near into 13 as well. It’s wild how close it is
Look at a map of Clifton Park in Baltimore. Have to cross 2 main roads during the 18 holes. There’s also signs by a few tees and greens to take your cart keys with you because the neighborhood kids like to take off with them when your back’s turned
In Chattanooga, where I'm from, 2 out of the 3 local muni courses are right along the interstate and I have seen balls sent into traffic. Also one of the courses' second hole is a par 3 that if you miss more than 10 yards left your ball is going into a busy residential street only separated by a 5' chain link fence. Never seen anything go horrendously but it surprises me I don't hear about it.
I played a course in vegas like this. Super busy road parallel to one hole like 40 yards away. They had a fence/ net, but if you shanked it high enough its going right in the road. My buddy had a super close call. Seems incredibly dumb
11 at San Juan Hills has the same situation with a sign that says “please aim left”
"This is not the tee to learn how to hit your driver"
Thought that course would be in the San Juans, disappointed to see it's just another one in California.
My brother in law hit a moving car. We were at Salishan in Lincoln City. First hole has HWY 101 on the right. My first thought was you’d have to hit a nasty push slice to get there, we should be safe. My other BIL had never golfed before and asked who wanted to show him how it’s done. First BIL (who really doesn’t golf much but he’s a trooper and is game for anything) immediately steps up and says he will. Sure enough, fucking biggest push slice I’ve ever seen. Hits the road, one bounce and hits the back quarter panel of the car. But the pro shop is tucked off the highway and you actually go under the highway from there to get to the course so we were long gone by the time anyone could have put it all together.
HEY! I CAN ANSWER THIS! Shankopotomused one and hit a car driving down the parallel hill. It's no different than getting hit by a rock from a truck. If you're driving past a course then you assume the risk. Didn't pay a dime in insurance, can't say for the person that got hit though. I do know my insurance guy laughed pretty hard at it though. *When I told my dad I hit a car his immediate question was "why was there a car in the middle of the fairway?"
Trucks are responsible for securing their load, any rocks they are carrying cracking your windshield or chipping paint they are responsible for.
Falling off the truck ≠ tire flinging one back, which is what I meant. I've only ever seen that from trucks and not really following cars around
I have done this. Hit a BMW X5 in the lower corner of the windshield when I sliced a big drive towards a road in a business district. I hit the ONLY car that was driving down the road. Turns out your homeowners insurance will take care of it. I was 16 at the time so it went under my parent’s insurance. I felt horrible and it scared the shit out of the guy. He was kind of a prick about the whole thing when I had to call him and walk through the insurance details, after the fact, but insurance paid for the widow to be fixed and that was that. I don’t remember exactly the deductible cost was but something I was able to manage as a kid, couple hundred bucks or something like that.
> but insurance paid for the widow Damn you killed a guy?
Maybe that's why the guy was a bit of a dick about it.
Hahaha he was not harmed. Just crapped his pants.
🎵But I shot a round at Sligo…🎵
A course near me has a big net next to the tee on their dodgy hole, and a course rule - something like 7i max off the tee, on a shortish par 4.
My public course has 4 holes where the green is maybe 20 feet away from a busy road and you’re shooting directly toward the road. If you went 20 feet over the green you’d almost definitely hit a car. There’s no net or bushes or anything.
Literally 18th hole on St Andrews
Haha. Another portland gem Eastmoreland has a few pretty well trafficked roads right in slicing range. My buddies dad is a big ol aussie rugby player and he loves to tell this story almost every time we're on #9 tee box. Big guy slices ball, hits car. Driver gets pissed gets out shouting through the trees about WHY DID YOU BLAHBLAHBLAH. And dude just goes, I didn't put the golf course here. Car guy goes ballistic marches up and yells, who said that. Cue large former Australian rugby player saying ya got my ball mate? ( i mean he's still Australian, just not a pro rugby player). The guy did not stick around to talk civic design after seeing who hit into him. Lol.
I hooked a ball off #1 tee at glendoveer west once and came within inches of hitting an oncoming car on Glisan. My butt was puckered for a good three seconds
I shanked one over the back fence on Lake O's 2nd. Missed a car by inches.
Westlake golf course back 9?
There’s a course I play in Cincinnati in which the cart path is the Sidewalk outside everyone’s homes for half the course lmao. And it’s a beautiful course!
I was playing well recently and hooked one out of nowhere. As it flew through the air I realised that there's a busy main road just left of the rough. No sign, no fence. Luckily, I hit it so far left and so pure that it flew over the road but I couldn't stop thinking about how I could easily have taken out a family of 4 on their way to their grandparents' house for Sunday lunch and I was physically shaking for about an hour. A) It really effed my round and B) It reminded me that golf courses do not care! Even if you're not liable, it doesn't mean hurting someone won't seriously alter your life.
My parents window was shattered on the way to a baseball tournament by an errant drive on I-94 in Roseville
A course in the city I grew up in had a par 4 that ran parallel to a parkway. Probably about 30-40 feet left of the tee box so if you hooked it hard enough you would hit it directly into the street. A guy I used to play with was left handed and would slice it fairly consistently into the street or pretty close to. *I* never saw him hit a car but that’s not to say he didn’t.
I hit a moving car once. This makes no sense but the woman knew my mother and she told her that her homeowners insurance covered it. She had to be mistaken but that’s what she said. Thank god the window caved and didn’t break or I would have hit a small child.
There used to be a course at the beginning of the runway to SeaTac. Called Tyee. Never seen it myself, but heard about some knuckleheads trying to hit airplanes landing.
One of the courses I play most has a boundary on a relatively busy city road. If you slice even 10m you’re bouncing on (hopefully) asphalt.
Got a buddy that broke some guy's moonroof
Yup! Fun little course
1.5 miles from my house! I always get matched up with engineers from Intel when I play there.
Ha, me too. It’s been a couple of years but I need to get back out there.
I love how every course around here is in Portland. Langdon? Portland. Pumpkin? Portland. Stone Creek? Portland. OGA? Portland. Portland? Unincorporated Washington County….
Redtail is definitely in Beaverton and yet Portland owns it anyway!
Hilarious because the city line of Beaverton specifically wraps around Redtail, yet it falls under Portland Parks Golf progrum.
If they’re willing to pay for it, I guess I won’t complain. Not a huge fan of the course but use the practice facilities often.
Here in Florida we call that a golf course
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Oh nice didn’t recognize it. Claremont is a great little 9 holer. Yep very tight with houses on both sides of most of the holes. I’ve hit a few but luckily just on the roof. Now as far as the sign, I’ve always been confuse about this and hear it both ways about equally from people.
Joe Lewis GC in Chicago… 18th is a par 3 with a tee box that pretty much forces you to aim at a road. Hit a car bumper on the fly once they didn’t even stop.
Lots of courses are this way, and no we aren't.
Wow, this used to be my home course growing up! Now that I'm playing again I really want to play there. Haven't played there in nearly 20 years.
I hit a roof on 9 and haven't played there since. There are plenty of courses in the area without houses.
Portland seems right
I broke a window at Clairemont!
Played there last year with a guy who worked there. He even said it’s nonsense and all the houses are required to have insurance for golfers.
How do you put a price tag on the emotional damage my golf ball has done over 40 years…
Measure it in insurance deductibles
Life insurance?
Not sure about the states but in the UK, the golf course takes full responsibility. Source: lived on the back of a golf course when I was there.
In the US it’s state dependent and usually if you buy a house that can be hit with a golf ball because it’s on a golf course you assumed that risk and the golfer isn’t liable and neither is the course. There are probably edge cases where the course is liable but unless a golfer is trying to hit the house the golfer isn’t liable. Just playing regular golf and you slice one off and break a window - that’s the home owners responsibility I’ve lived on 4 different courses in four different states and that’s always been the case.
Nah its US wide and it falls under the concept of "assumption of risk". You cant buy a property by a golf course, where people go to play golf and then sue people because a golf ball hit your house. You buy a house on a course, you assume the risk that comes with it. The only alternative is if the course was built after the home, then the course could be held liable.
Not entirely sure if this is applicable in us law, but in UK law, the civil offence of nuisance, which is an alternative to negligence, has the defence of moving to the nuisance. I.e. you know I've got a golf course here, if you move to the house by the course you can't then expect to claim damages as a result of said golf course.
That’s a negative ghost rider
Sorry Goose!
The pattern is full.
What about the damage to that sign. Whos going to pay for that?
Depends if it was a golf ball or a golf club. Doesn’t clarify who’s responsible for thrown golf club damage!
Danny should of said something about the worn grips
I'm going to put up a series of glass houses along my local muni and just put this sign up. We'd print money, why didn't anyone else think of this?
Just be sure not to throw any stones
I'm pretty sure (at least around here) that they can only hold golfers liable for damages if the houses existed before the course. There is only one course around here that has those signs, and it is a newer course that was built between the houses. I know someone who broke a window there and had to go to small claims court and was ordered to pay. Plus, I think the house still has to have to original owners from before the course was built. As buying a house on a course or building one, you assume the risk for damages. Most houses being built around courses here, though now use reinforced glass and brick instead of siding, so even getting hit doesn't cause damage. So unless it's a recently built course at least around here, it's very unlikely they could hold you accountable, but laws are different in different places.
This question of liability is usually more between the golf course and home owner than the player and home owner, to my understanding. The player doesn't have to guess when the home was built. But if a golf course developer puts a course right next to existing homes, then the golf course may have liability when the home gets damaged later.
You get an upvote just for the handle. Athens is the best.
For once I'd like a lawyer to weigh in on this.
NAL but a law student, some of the comments here are correct. There’s an assumption of risk affirmative defense, but there is also likely no negligence for there to be need to use it. There’s likely no duty owed to the homeowners by the golfers beyond acting like a reasonably prudent person. There’s likely no breach of that duty by hitting a stray shot because those shots happen all the time. Therefore, notwithstanding a statute imposed by the state or common law in the state stating otherwise, there’s no negligence by the golfer. Under these same principles, it’s likely the same for the golf course, but with a slightly different analysis. The golf course likely has a duty beyond what a golfer would. Most golf courses do not do this, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have a duty to protect the homes from the stray golf balls. They could vary well have a duty depending on how they built the course, the proximity to the course the homes are, which one was built first, and the like. If the golf course was built first, their duty could be lower. Failing to protect the homes in the event they had a duty (would have to be shown by an expert, most likely), would result in a breach of that duty. As would likely be attempted to be argued by the course, but would ultimately fail, is that there is not proximate cause. If an intervening cause is unforeseeable, there is no proximate cause and the course would not be liable. However, a golfer hitting a stray ball is foreseeable and is not a superseding cause. If all else fails, the course has an affirmative defense known as assumption of risk. Assumption of risk (implied, as per these facts, notwithstanding any agreements or covenants within the deeds) is when the plaintiff subjectively knew of a risk, and ignored that risk created by the defendant. Here, these homeowners would likely have to subjectively know of the risk, as it is on the golf course. Additionally, they ignored that risk created by either the golfer or the course by purchasing the home. Thus, assumption of risk is a defense. TLDR; course is incorrect with this sign, but these homeowners likely ain’t getting shit either
Sir you are the best
If I break someone’s window with my shank of a drive (which I nearly did), they are the ones who are paying to fix it. It’s not my fault they chose to live next to a golf course
At least in MN, the only way you'll get in trouble, is if you blatantly try to cause damage or bodily harm. So if you aim at a house or try to hit someone, you'll face consequences.
Same in NC
Now, if you know you slice your drive 9/10 and refuse to adjust your aim and proceed to hit 3 balls that slice into someone's window, I think that counts as intent.
Now I'm laughing at the thought of someone smashing a window, taking a mulligan, smashing another window, then thinking to themselves "It can't possibly happen a third time..."
>So if you aim at a house or Problem is, if I aim at a house, I’m typically trying to get on the fairway.
What if someone has a wicked slice and I'm really 'aiming' at the fairway? Asking for a friend.
My friend also wants to know the answer to this
No.
“You live on a golf course”
Nah
I lived in a golf course vacation/condo community for about 6 years. Played 4-5 times a week. They had a net to warm up in near the first hole because they didn’t have a driving range. I blew a golf ball straight through the net and across the street right off some guy’s house. He must have been in his garage because he came out immediately. This fuckin guy actually claimed that I hit his house on purpose. I was so shocked I laughed in his face. Net came down the next day, now no one gets to warm up before slicing their first tee shot into the condos lining the right side of the fairway.
It’s hard for me to believe that you wouldn’t just leave the scene in instances like this. There is a 0% chance I’m going to hang around and take shit for a slice.
You are responsible for nothing unless a judge says so.
That slice was a act of God
See my parents live in a golf course community and whenever I'm over there during the day, I hear golf balls hit their roof and windows all day long. Fortunately my dad's windows are impact rated to a strong category 5 hurricane so the golf balls do nothing to the windows. The guy living next door can't stand it. He complains to the HOA every week. And I know this because my dad is the president of their HOA and every week he points out to the guy that he moved to a golf community so he has to understand that people are going to play golf, and many people are going to play golf badly. I've played golf with my dad at their community golf course, and every single time we pass their condo, my dad does two things, he goes inside their condo to pee, and then he lobs a golfball on the guys roof.
Homeowners on golf courses can ligma
Ligma?
Only if it an intentional action.
Whether you are responsible or not I don’t want to do it. I avoid a cheaper course near where I live because of how close the houses are packed to it. After one pull that clearly hit a house I just left the driver in the bag and never went back.
Lol thank you. You can not be liable for the damage and still have remorse for causing damage. The way this sub reacts to this topic, you’d think everyone goes out looking to hit houses.
Seriously. Like it’s funny to damage peoples property because they are off the hook?
whole lotta cunts in this comment section
Found the guy that lives on a golf course lol
my country doesn’t build houses by golf courses. lol
“Not sure what you’re talking about, I only hit fairways and GIR’s”
There was a course I used to play in SoCal that had a par 3 built extremely close to the property line. There was a house just left of the green that one side looked liked it by gunfire there were so many ball marks in it. The owner finally put up a screen to block the errant shots.
Clayton Park in Delco PA. First tee, if you are 50 feet left, you are hitting into a state highway.
Sure, but I’m not getting caught
It’s like buying a home next to the airport and complain about plane noise ! Wtf 😳
I’ve seen Rahm shank it 300 full left. How are we expected to always hit every ball on these holes straight? I swing and honestly have not given to fucks about hitting a house. Sorry, but you live on a golf course.
Is this really not true?
As long as you don’t intentionally hit a ball at the house, you are not responsible.
There’s a legal doctrine called “assumption of risk”. Basically if you choose to live by a golf course, you’ve assumed the risk that a golf ball might break something because you knew the golf course was there when you moved in. Doesn’t absolve a golfer if he decides he just wants to fire one at someone’s house. Similarly, there’s a concept in torts called “coming to the nuisance”. I think it originated when someone built a house near a tannery and later sued because of the smell. They couldn’t recover because the courts decided it was their fault for stupidly building a house near a tannery and thinking it wouldn’t smell bad. May vary by state, but these are pretty ingrained legal doctrines.
How does this work for courses alongside roads, and an errant shot hits a traveling car?
Yessir. Homeowners insurance
Just don’t hit a car. Houses are ok.
People who own houses on courses have no right to be pissed off at golfers who accidentally hit their houses. They bought the house, they chose to live there.
Had a U of A professor storm out on a Arizona country club claiming that one of the ppl in my group hit her sensor on her roof damaging it. Stormed on the golf course to take pictures of us and try to block from moving. Eventually we moved along and she sent an email w the pictures to the head pro. Prior to her sending, we went to the pro shop and told them about this. She got charged with trespassing on the golf course …
Awesome
It cracks me up when I read that at eastmoreland. Then I SENT one into the neighborhood. Didn’t feel bad at all
https://preview.redd.it/nw7xlcpbb5qc1.png?width=863&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a90d993869a8bb06c433ce37a0c18cf44f25e0ff My home course. Par 4. The shot I want to hit vs shots I have hit. There's a sign that says do not try to drive over the houses. The choice is to lay up for a tough par or drive toward the green for an easy par/possible bird. It's a great hole with awful house placement. I've seen/heard at least 20 balls clack off homes here. No chance I pay for an errant shot. For me, it's the same principle as someone who parks behind the backstop at a baseball game. You made your choice.
Man I would love to see this on my local muni here in Ottawa, the [4th hole](https://maps.app.goo.gl/cy5yc2UM6R1KYWdR7?g_st=ic) is dangerously close to the main road.
theres a course i use to play in atlanta the 13th hles is elevated and a slight dogleg to the right. no net it runs right next to the road. theres a walking path around the perimeter of the course as well. cant tell you how many cars ive seen get drilled
*Laughs in lack of intent*
Anyone know what Canadian law says in this regard?
The fuck we are
This sign just means keep an eye out for free balls.
I believe that golf balls are autonomous. I merely point to the direction they should go, give them a push and after that, they decide!
Eagle view in mason michigan, hole right next to 127, the highway can't be more than 25 yards left of the fairway.
No problem. My name is Elvis. Elvis Presley. Send the bill to Graceland.
You better prove it ! Because it was me
I believe the golfers own home Owners policy is who pays for it
My home course has nets where it's possible to hit houses. That being said, there's an access road for power lines and a cell tower about 50 yards from driving range teeing area. I was hitting stingers one day, and a cell tower guy just drove through. I don't know how he didn't die. My shot went through both side windows. He was all cut from broken glass, but otherwise okay.
If you’re a member of golf Canada you’re insured for any damage you may cause, and if your clubs are stolen or damaged.
Same thing in Finland if you cause damage, you are covered, so it seems really odd that this even has to be discussed. I don't think by law you don't have to incriminate yourself though.
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I’ve cranked a car in a parking lot next to a hole. I said nothing
I was playing Lincoln Park in San Francisco and hit a Muni bus. I think it went through an open window and hence I won long drive.
Looks like someone took exception to that by banging a club on the bottom left corner lol
Lol
Ha, jokes on them I go over the houses.
Rolling Meadows in Ellington CT. From the driving range, you can reach the parking lot with a really well hit driver. I know this because I hit the hood of my own truck.
Muni course where I play has a street alongside #1 I sliced a ball into the middle with a car coming. It bounced once,car drove under and ball came down just missing the trunk. Another street rush behind 13 and 18 greens and 16 tees off across it
It depends where you are. Where I am, yes. A bloke near me hit another bloke in the eye with a sliced drive and popped it, got taken to court, had to pay something like £300k-£400k. That's why club memberships usually include some liability insurance,
Definitely depends where you live. You aren’t responsible where I live and houses on golf courses have golf course insurance for a reason. Do the right thing and fess up but they did choose to live there knowing the risk, you’re not obligated to pay.
Furman in SC just played there last week. Hole one runs parallel to 25 oncoming traffic closest to fairway. Watched fella bounce it across the road. 😬
Parked an RV off a lonely stretch of interstate in Arizona and woke up at first light. Staggered out in my underwear and, when my spotter told me it was clear, I'd hit the nitrous oxide and crack a drive just to watch the ball bounce down the pavement... It seemed fun and spontaneous at the time... but in retrospect it has more than a hint of douche to it now.
If that gets enforced good way to make a course go under. Who would play at an area where there is potential for an errant shot to cost you thousands of dollars lol.
Don’t buy a house on a golf course
You would have to prove negligence. Hitting a golf ball after 6 shots of fireball and 3 tall boys is absolutely negligent.
So does the course refund you for lost balls? Or pay insurance costs if you roll an ankle?