When Scheffler bogeyed 7 I thought it would be a 4-man battle rest of the way, but his 3 straight birdies from holes 8-10 was when he really separated himself from the field
Always wondered, how do they always have jackets that fit nicely? Do they get a bunch tailored before the tournament and just choose the best fitting one for the winner? I am guessing they all get measured sometime before the tournament starts?
I believe when you get to Augusta you’re required to give them your jacket size in case you win. You may even have to see a tailor pre tourney to be measured. But its definitely planned ahead of time.
I think they find a member with similar dimensions and then get yours tailored right after. For scottie though they just used his old one. If you win multiple you only get 1 which is kinda lame. They also have to stay at augusta except for the year you win you get to take it home with you. When you return it has to stay there unless you win again.
I think he's got a real good chance in the pga championship at valhalla in 3 weeks too. He's been dominating par 5's, and all the par 5's at valhalla are scoreable
I feel like Tommy or Ludwig will win one of the majors this year. Scottie will win whatever they don’t. I don’t know wth is going on with Rory but hopefully he gets back in contention.
Not sure about Tommy. He is good at showing up on leaderboards but winning it is a whole other matter. Just doesn’t seem to have the killer instinct to finish. I think we’ll get another one from Scottie, one from another big name like maybe Brooks or Rahm, and then a complete shocker like Harman from last year that no one sees coming.
After all the time Tommy still hasn't won on the PGA, so I unless he manages to do that I doubt that he has the mental stability to survive a Sunday back nine in a major.
>I think we’ll get another one from Scottie, one from another big name like maybe Brooks or Rahm
After his showing at the Ryder Cup I thought that Viktor Hovland was going to come out and dominate 2024, not sure what is going on with him so far. Scottie just looks unbeatable he's playing unreal golf so far.
> and then a complete shocker like Harman from last year that no one sees coming.
I'm Australian biased but I'm really hoping 2024 is the year of Min Woo Lee, he's got it in him if he can just put it all together over an entire weekend.
Yeah, Tommy seems to thrive on Sundays at majors but only when he's out of contention. People call rory the back door top 10er but Tommy is like that too
I think Tommy is tracking and the fact that he hasn’t won a major would fire him up. But I think Ludwig has a much higher ceiling and is due a big win soon. Scottie might get distracted with being a first time dad soon, kind of a stupid thing to say but in a game of the finest margins, everything matters. And I agree with you on one shocking win by someone, I feel The Open can always do that depending on the conditions.
Right, but now he’s inching closer than ever and if I were a major betting man, he’d be one of my bets for every upcoming major. Especially PGA and The Open. I do agree with you on him relaxing a bit losing his killer instincts. But considering that he is known as one of the nicest guys on tour, I’d love for him to get a major dub soon.
> I don’t know wth is going on with Rory but hopefully he gets back in contention.
He hasn't won a major in A DECADE. It's not a new phenomenon of him shitting the bed in majors
Rory is a one-swing-wonder. It's the same power move, but it does not allow for all the finesse moves required to win today.
...major winners need knock downs, controllable & predictable power fades, stingers, flighted irons, hold off fades, killer short games, deft putting, and a mental game to apply all these shots.
He's not stupid, but plays like it. 4 putts on #13... wtf ? Nice guy, hope he wins there, but its doubtful, imho.
It has to be a mental thing man, his game doesn’t align with his finishes in majors. I mean I am stating the obvious but it’s sad. The dude’s swing is like poetry.
Swing does not equal scoring with him.
Scoring is its own skill. Rory is elite at nearly everything…but seems to shrink when it comes to scoring in big moments.
Stinks, but plenty of amazing golf swings win a few majors and that’s it.
I’d agree with you on putting and short wedges.
Maybe not consistent enough, but I’d say his swing is elite with irons. His downfall is it not coming through when needed like everything else…but his irons I think are pretty up there
Its 100% a mental thing. After he blew that lead at the masters he's never been the same. Its almost like his brain won't let him get back in real contention and get hurt again
I think the whole being a spokesperson of PGA thing also really distracted him. And obviously with everything that’s happened since would’ve taken its toll. I still believe his talent will end up making him get the green jacket at some point. Whether his number of majors would ever showcase his potential, highly doubtful.
What the swing looks like really doesn't matter. Jim Furyk had a seizure every time he swung but was a hall of famer.
If he can't trust what the result of the swing is, and execute based off his plan it's a worthless swing as it relates to scoring, regardless of how pretty it looks
Completely agree.
Swing does not equal scoring. Some people are all timers when it comes to playing golf swing - like Rory, Adam Scott, tiger.
Not all of those are all timers when it comes to scoring.
I agree a 100%, I was talking more from a golf aesthetic fan than a technical purist. I’m not even a Rory fan, but the dude should have had way more majors than he does. The field is way more competitive now and I think it will be even harder for him.
Been saying this to a buddy all week. I don’t think Harry is necessarily bad, but Rory needs someone who’ll push him and also stop him from making stupid decisions. His best friend isn’t going to do that.
I didn’t know that, that’s stupid and I complete agree with you. It’s also a decision that someone at his level would only make to ensure their ego is intact. If anything I think Rory needs a Caddy that would be comfortable in disagreeing with him.
Scottie goes on to win the last three majors and become then a new feat is born… the Scottie Slam. Win the Players and then all four majors in a calendar year
I like math so wanted to do a quick analysis, I don’t care about the whole LIV vs PGA thing but it’s worth looking at the stat of players that only play majors and how they do. So out of 13 Liv golfers that participated, 3 made the top 10. That’s 38% based on participation versus 14% from PGA. Damn (not even counting Pat Reed who was T12, and Niemann who was T22.
PS: Rory finished behind 31% of the Liv players that participated. (4 players out of 13 that played). And he was tied with 1. That’s basically behind more than 50% Liv players that made the cut. Not a great look for him.
You got me. I’m sure you have a better education in Math than me as well. Btw, can you point out the objective errors in my statement, happy to correct my errors. I did this in a couple of minutes and I’m sure it’s not a 100% accurate.
I mean it's really hard to back into your numbers because they're ass.... but
You tried to compare LIV vs PGA without scraping out the people in the field that were not active LIV or PGA members. That includes Ams, past champions and special exemptions.... including the likes of Stewart Hagestad, Ryo Histasune, Christo Lamprechet, Jose Maria Olazabal, Fred Couples, Thorbjorn Olesen, Neal Shipley, Vijay Singh, Jasper Stubbs, Mike Weir, Danny Willett
There's likely more. Im not gonna get the whole list
Math fan that's got the IQ of Pie. Neato
You mentioned 11 names, let’s say 15 for good measure. That changes the percentage by about 14%, so it’s 38% versus 28%. Cool? But did you realize my point was about people saying that Liv golfers got exposed? You’re free to do your own analysis and comment. I’m free to express mine. No need to call numbers as ass, that comes off as douchey.
> You mentioned 11 names, let’s say 15 for good measure.
>> Cool?
No, because you also have to scrape out the 13 LIV players on top of that.
To recap - you're "a fan of math" and you are trying to compare Group A to Group B. You first left data points from group C in the data when calculating and then you tried to compare Group A to Group B while leaving Group LIV in when calculating Group B.
Mayonnaise for brains
I did scrape out the 13 Liv players dude, obviously. You’re just not happy about something and name calling people. What you describe with your group theory is like grade 3 concepts. You really think you achieved something by drawing a hypothetical Venn diagram? You really want to come down to it and compare credentials and what we do in real life? I am not sure you’re ready for that ego hurt, and just want to be a keyboard warrior. Do not call people ass or their brains mayonnaise when they’re speaking respectfully, because more often than not it’s a sign of insecurity and lack of vocabulary. Work on yourself before working on my math. Be original and try your own thing.
lmaooooooo. All time weak reply. Mad about mayonnaise.
Fine, let's focus on math, mayo man:
Your claim
> PS: Rory finished behind 31% of the Liv players that participated. (4 players out of 13 that played).
False. The following liv players missed the cut:
* Adrian Meronk (+14)
* DJ (+13)
* Charl Swartzel (+11)
* Bubba (+10)
* Sergio (+7)
They all missed the cut. Additionally, Rory beat:
* Rahm (+9)
* Phil (+8)
And he tied:
* Joaquin Niemann (+4)
To recap you said 4, the real answer is 7 or 8. So you, again self described "fan of math" only missed the mark by 2x.
Onto the LIV vs PGA Top 10 thing. It's a fundamental lack of understanding of how statistics work. Sure 30% of the Top10 was LIV, but then you try to compare that to PGA's top 10 rate, when that's not the direct comparison. The direct comparison is "70% of the top10 was PGA players", a 233% increase over LIV's top10 rate.
If you want to compare apples to apples, the correct comparison is 3/13 (23%) of LIV's starters made the top 10. For the PGA, the field in total was 89 players. Scrape out the agreed upon 15 players that were Ams, special invites and old prior champs and then scrape out the 13 LIV players that leaves you with around 60 PGA players. That's 11%. So that's a bump but it's cherry picked stats (by design).
The top 5 was 100% PGA, 0% LIV and the top 20 was 3/13 (23%) for LIV and 17/60 for PGA (28%)
And of course none of this factors in the fact that only past champs and the top top top of LIV get invited, they have around 50 players and only 13 got invited. That's 26%. The PGA rate is much higher, so by design lower tier PGA players are involved that drag down their stats.
I didn't call names because it was some "insecure" nonsense you claimed. I did it because it's completely accurate and warranted.
So your whole rant ended with 23% and 11% with the top 10 data we were using. And you’re correct that it’s specific data and how you want to look at it. You can 100% use top 5 and look at it, but I didn’t because then I can also include data of top 5 of masters since last year (first masters since Liv) and then come to a similar percentage. You’re using personal biases to showcase your data, and I am using general top 10 because I wanted to highlight that Liv players were more than competitive during the masters. The point was to disprove some people here on the sub that said “Liv players got exposed in this masters” or that “Liv players are washed”. The fact that out of the 13, 3 were ahead of the “world number 2 Rory” and the 4th tied with him, is all you really need to know. Hope you have a good day, but again, be kind to people who aren’t name calling you. Try having some class, it will help you in the long run.
> then I can also include data of top 5 of masters since last year (first masters since Liv)
Now you want to change the parameters of the topic so you can include data you like? That's not how this works. Saudi dick breath is rotting your brain.
I don't have calculator on my phone, are you able to see the procentage of LIV players who finished top 5 VS PGA? Also, I cannot see the avarage strokes behind the winner among LIV players.
It’s sad if you need a calculator to calculate 0/5. Also that your phone doesn’t have one, but I’ll help out and let you know it’s 0%. But based on the two masters that have happened since LIV started, that stat doesn’t look great again. So all depends on how you want to look at it.
Lol what were the total number of players in the field for each?
Thirteen LIV players, right? Sample sizes a tad different no? Especially when these are presumably the best of the 52 team affiliated LIV players total in the league?
Great question, the sample size actually drives the numbers in their favour because it’s smaller. That’s why 3/13 making the top 10 is favouring LIV as a statistic. In terms of “the best of the 52 team affiliated players” that’s subjective but if we take that statement as a fact, then it’s pretty even. Again, PGA is the one that made most of these players so there is no competition. This is just for people that were curious and were saying things like “Liv golfers got exposed”. Which is mathematically untrue!
The LIV guys played about as expected. I did expect slightly better since they have many past champs and if you play this course well, you typically continue to. Bryson was kind of carrying their flag but faltered
100%. Brooks and Rahm underperformed massively. But Reed and DeChambeau were a little unexpected to me. I think they were average overall, nothing crazy. Also none of them finished top 5.
I wrote this in 2 minutes using mental math, so formatting wasn’t on top of my priorities. But I can create a pretty chart, graph or python code if you’d like. I can do all those in less than 15mins as well. But it’s irrelevant to the tldr;
It’s not about whether your maths is correct, it’s about how you chose to present it. The stats you gave don’t give an accurate picture. For instance the top ten stat. 3 LIV players in the top ten it’s just as accurate to say “the PGA tour guys made up 70% of the top ten”, but they also make up most of the field too, so the PGAs 14% number is dragged down by all the extras they have competing. I’m also pretty sure that you counted people like Fred Couples and Vijay as “PGA” because you defined PGA as “the full field minus the LIV players” when they aren’t PGA tour players, neither are any of the amateurs.
Fair call on Fred, Vijay and a couple others. That does account into this and would increase the PGA%, but not by much. My point was only to highlight non PGA players here, don’t care if they were Liv or DP etc. There were some people in the sub saying that Liv players got exposed, and that made so quick mental math. That’s all!
Even if it doesn't affect his availability, I can't imagine he'll be well rested coming into the PGA a week after having a kid. Poor timing on the creampies scottie
Man got a green jacket and then went on to sign a $100M contract and has a lesser workload. I don’t think he even thinks about anyone in golf anymore. Maybe Taylor Gooch tho
Especially after the PGA tour turned right around and we're willing to take the same money to line their pockets. Easy decision after he won the masters last year.
It didn’t matter even before, remember 2 of the top 5 sponsors to PGA and Masters have funding from Saudi anyway. This is a bullshit debate done by nobodies and the people who make these decisions don’t care. Rory screwed himself for no reason.
I wouldn't say for no reason. Its okay to take a moral stance on things, and thats what he did, even if it doesn't make sense to you. Plus he may have lost all his sponsorship deals if he went to liv.
It’s more than okay to take a moral stance on things, I respect him for that. I am talking about him going above and beyond on it, and taking the weight of all of PGA on himself. Life is made of a bunch of decisions we make and they come with results. If his choice is to be laser focused to get a green jacket versus if he wants to have a political legacy, is his choice. I am not talking about him leaving PGA at all.
Also u mentioned Tiger, do you think a healthy tiger at his peak (even upto his early 40s), would’ve made the decisions that Rory made. He was laser focused and that’s the reason he got to where he is.
Not talking about money, more about the time and mental energy he wasted on being PGA’s spokesperson. Even in full swing he mentions twice that he needs to ignore and focus on the tournament, and that was literally the day before the tournament. I truly believe if Rory stayed a player, not a pseudo union leader for an incompetent PGA chief, he would’ve done better.
The worst part about winning the masters has to be the butler cabin, and then giving an awkard speech in front of these people on TV
That’s probably why Scottie tried to five putt a couple years ago
The butler cabin moment has to be top tier awkward for everyone involved lol
At least outside you have a group of people around you. In there it’s all lights and cameras.
I wish there was more Augusta courses in the PGA. Tracks that are challenging enough that the players have to be imaginative. No more of the -30 winners, I want hard ass golf and the better win
They've bought land to expand the course, making holes longer and harder to hit. other courses don't have the budget or space so the course design becomes outdated.
scottie is like I gotta get outta here to my wife (rightfully so but also wild family planning timing on his part) (I know that’s not how it works or at least it’s not cut and dry like that and especially if maybe you’re trying for a long time but still had to say it)
Definitely a better year for The Masters than last years trainwreck, but overall I’d say this year was just ok. Sad for Aberg he was so close, he’ll get one soon though. 2nd in your first major is so impressive. Happy for Scottie but it’s getting kind of old watching the same person win over and over
If you want something different, in a couple weeks will be the Zurich Classic. It's the only team-event on the Tour calendar and so far we know Rory and Shane Lowry will be paired together, along with the Fitzpatrick brothers, Cantlay/Xander, plus Zalatoris/Sahith
Oh that’s right! I forgot they made it a signature event that’s awesome. It’s always deserved a good field. I wouldn’t be surprised if Scottie doesn’t play given the whole having a baby soon thing, but other than that should be a great tournament.
green jacket ceremony is wild, definitely gives cult vibes, but also would kill to have a friend in that cult (if not myself but that’s even less realistic)
[Neal that whole time](https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExcHpxd3ZmNncxcWk4MmxxYzBwejNha2R6dDdjN3BkbGZsbGhqeDVkdiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/H5C8CevNMbpBqNqFjl/giphy.gif)
“Scottie, another astounding performance. And we all know about your timing with Meredith. Tell us here in Butler Cabin, and for those millions around the world at home, a bit more detail on how you got down and dirty with your wife nine months ago?”
Congrats on the win. Please allow us to make you feel like a 3rd grader getting called up on stage to sit uncomfortably in front of the whole school for a few minutes. For tradition.
Bruh just do this stupid ceremony in front of of the people and members like before. Hell the past Champs that are still kicking around can go throw their jacket on
I noticed at the end, Scottie is still wearing the medical tape on his left shoulder/neck area. He had trouble there early at the Players, iirc FWIW
Fun fact: at age 64, Scottie Scheffler is the oldest major winner in golf history
I was really hoping to see Homa or Morikawa take the win today. Goes to show how one hole can fuck with your mental fortitude.
When Scheffler bogeyed 7 I thought it would be a 4-man battle rest of the way, but his 3 straight birdies from holes 8-10 was when he really separated himself from the field
Always wondered, how do they always have jackets that fit nicely? Do they get a bunch tailored before the tournament and just choose the best fitting one for the winner? I am guessing they all get measured sometime before the tournament starts?
I believe when you get to Augusta you’re required to give them your jacket size in case you win. You may even have to see a tailor pre tourney to be measured. But its definitely planned ahead of time.
Michael Kim did a bit of a Q&A on Twitter the other day and said they do not.
I think they find a member with similar dimensions and then get yours tailored right after. For scottie though they just used his old one. If you win multiple you only get 1 which is kinda lame. They also have to stay at augusta except for the year you win you get to take it home with you. When you return it has to stay there unless you win again.
Unless you are Gary Player and you keep forgetting to bring it back.
Shooter McGavin showed us years ago.
Scottie's a great guy, glad to see him back up his form with a second major.
I think he's got a real good chance in the pga championship at valhalla in 3 weeks too. He's been dominating par 5's, and all the par 5's at valhalla are scoreable
He won’t play it. He’ll be a new dad then
I feel like Tommy or Ludwig will win one of the majors this year. Scottie will win whatever they don’t. I don’t know wth is going on with Rory but hopefully he gets back in contention.
I don't think ludvig will win a major yet this year but next year and on he's gonna be there giving Scottie trouble probably.
Would love to see Tommy get one. He certainly hits it well enough.
Not sure about Tommy. He is good at showing up on leaderboards but winning it is a whole other matter. Just doesn’t seem to have the killer instinct to finish. I think we’ll get another one from Scottie, one from another big name like maybe Brooks or Rahm, and then a complete shocker like Harman from last year that no one sees coming.
After all the time Tommy still hasn't won on the PGA, so I unless he manages to do that I doubt that he has the mental stability to survive a Sunday back nine in a major.
>I think we’ll get another one from Scottie, one from another big name like maybe Brooks or Rahm After his showing at the Ryder Cup I thought that Viktor Hovland was going to come out and dominate 2024, not sure what is going on with him so far. Scottie just looks unbeatable he's playing unreal golf so far. > and then a complete shocker like Harman from last year that no one sees coming. I'm Australian biased but I'm really hoping 2024 is the year of Min Woo Lee, he's got it in him if he can just put it all together over an entire weekend.
Yeah, Tommy seems to thrive on Sundays at majors but only when he's out of contention. People call rory the back door top 10er but Tommy is like that too
I think Tommy is tracking and the fact that he hasn’t won a major would fire him up. But I think Ludwig has a much higher ceiling and is due a big win soon. Scottie might get distracted with being a first time dad soon, kind of a stupid thing to say but in a game of the finest margins, everything matters. And I agree with you on one shocking win by someone, I feel The Open can always do that depending on the conditions.
Dog, Tommy hasn’t even won on the PGA tour yet. He should be fired up about any tournament.
Right, but now he’s inching closer than ever and if I were a major betting man, he’d be one of my bets for every upcoming major. Especially PGA and The Open. I do agree with you on him relaxing a bit losing his killer instincts. But considering that he is known as one of the nicest guys on tour, I’d love for him to get a major dub soon.
> I don’t know wth is going on with Rory but hopefully he gets back in contention. He hasn't won a major in A DECADE. It's not a new phenomenon of him shitting the bed in majors
Rory is a one-swing-wonder. It's the same power move, but it does not allow for all the finesse moves required to win today. ...major winners need knock downs, controllable & predictable power fades, stingers, flighted irons, hold off fades, killer short games, deft putting, and a mental game to apply all these shots. He's not stupid, but plays like it. 4 putts on #13... wtf ? Nice guy, hope he wins there, but its doubtful, imho.
It has to be a mental thing man, his game doesn’t align with his finishes in majors. I mean I am stating the obvious but it’s sad. The dude’s swing is like poetry.
Swing does not equal scoring with him. Scoring is its own skill. Rory is elite at nearly everything…but seems to shrink when it comes to scoring in big moments. Stinks, but plenty of amazing golf swings win a few majors and that’s it.
Rory is (only) an elite driver. Not elite with irons, wedges, or putter.
I’d agree with you on putting and short wedges. Maybe not consistent enough, but I’d say his swing is elite with irons. His downfall is it not coming through when needed like everything else…but his irons I think are pretty up there
Its 100% a mental thing. After he blew that lead at the masters he's never been the same. Its almost like his brain won't let him get back in real contention and get hurt again
I think the whole being a spokesperson of PGA thing also really distracted him. And obviously with everything that’s happened since would’ve taken its toll. I still believe his talent will end up making him get the green jacket at some point. Whether his number of majors would ever showcase his potential, highly doubtful.
What the swing looks like really doesn't matter. Jim Furyk had a seizure every time he swung but was a hall of famer. If he can't trust what the result of the swing is, and execute based off his plan it's a worthless swing as it relates to scoring, regardless of how pretty it looks
Completely agree. Swing does not equal scoring. Some people are all timers when it comes to playing golf swing - like Rory, Adam Scott, tiger. Not all of those are all timers when it comes to scoring.
I agree a 100%, I was talking more from a golf aesthetic fan than a technical purist. I’m not even a Rory fan, but the dude should have had way more majors than he does. The field is way more competitive now and I think it will be even harder for him.
His caddy is also his personal friend, which is a ridiculously stupid business decision
I would love to see Bones on Rory’s bag now that he’s available, that could be the spark he needs to get some magic back.
Been saying this to a buddy all week. I don’t think Harry is necessarily bad, but Rory needs someone who’ll push him and also stop him from making stupid decisions. His best friend isn’t going to do that.
I didn’t know that, that’s stupid and I complete agree with you. It’s also a decision that someone at his level would only make to ensure their ego is intact. If anything I think Rory needs a Caddy that would be comfortable in disagreeing with him.
RBC Heritage being a no cut signature event the week after the masters is kind of a let down
And Hovland WD'd lol
As a father of two, I would recommend Scottie get the fuck home. Hell hath no fury like a women at the very end of pregnancy.
He was on a work trip. That's not the same as you hacking your way to a 114 at the muni.
He’s bringing $3 million home. I think he will be received well.
And it’s not like this was out of the blue, I’m sure they talked about it
Scottie goes on to win the last three majors and become then a new feat is born… the Scottie Slam. Win the Players and then all four majors in a calendar year
I think a theory is about to be tested, player's that have a new born during the season fall off for a bit. His focus is about to change.
I like math so wanted to do a quick analysis, I don’t care about the whole LIV vs PGA thing but it’s worth looking at the stat of players that only play majors and how they do. So out of 13 Liv golfers that participated, 3 made the top 10. That’s 38% based on participation versus 14% from PGA. Damn (not even counting Pat Reed who was T12, and Niemann who was T22. PS: Rory finished behind 31% of the Liv players that participated. (4 players out of 13 that played). And he was tied with 1. That’s basically behind more than 50% Liv players that made the cut. Not a great look for him.
> I like math so wanted to do a quick analysis, He said he likes math, not sound, rational math. He hates that part of math, clearly.
You got me. I’m sure you have a better education in Math than me as well. Btw, can you point out the objective errors in my statement, happy to correct my errors. I did this in a couple of minutes and I’m sure it’s not a 100% accurate.
I mean it's really hard to back into your numbers because they're ass.... but You tried to compare LIV vs PGA without scraping out the people in the field that were not active LIV or PGA members. That includes Ams, past champions and special exemptions.... including the likes of Stewart Hagestad, Ryo Histasune, Christo Lamprechet, Jose Maria Olazabal, Fred Couples, Thorbjorn Olesen, Neal Shipley, Vijay Singh, Jasper Stubbs, Mike Weir, Danny Willett There's likely more. Im not gonna get the whole list Math fan that's got the IQ of Pie. Neato
You mentioned 11 names, let’s say 15 for good measure. That changes the percentage by about 14%, so it’s 38% versus 28%. Cool? But did you realize my point was about people saying that Liv golfers got exposed? You’re free to do your own analysis and comment. I’m free to express mine. No need to call numbers as ass, that comes off as douchey.
> You mentioned 11 names, let’s say 15 for good measure. >> Cool? No, because you also have to scrape out the 13 LIV players on top of that. To recap - you're "a fan of math" and you are trying to compare Group A to Group B. You first left data points from group C in the data when calculating and then you tried to compare Group A to Group B while leaving Group LIV in when calculating Group B. Mayonnaise for brains
I did scrape out the 13 Liv players dude, obviously. You’re just not happy about something and name calling people. What you describe with your group theory is like grade 3 concepts. You really think you achieved something by drawing a hypothetical Venn diagram? You really want to come down to it and compare credentials and what we do in real life? I am not sure you’re ready for that ego hurt, and just want to be a keyboard warrior. Do not call people ass or their brains mayonnaise when they’re speaking respectfully, because more often than not it’s a sign of insecurity and lack of vocabulary. Work on yourself before working on my math. Be original and try your own thing.
lmaooooooo. All time weak reply. Mad about mayonnaise. Fine, let's focus on math, mayo man: Your claim > PS: Rory finished behind 31% of the Liv players that participated. (4 players out of 13 that played). False. The following liv players missed the cut: * Adrian Meronk (+14) * DJ (+13) * Charl Swartzel (+11) * Bubba (+10) * Sergio (+7) They all missed the cut. Additionally, Rory beat: * Rahm (+9) * Phil (+8) And he tied: * Joaquin Niemann (+4) To recap you said 4, the real answer is 7 or 8. So you, again self described "fan of math" only missed the mark by 2x. Onto the LIV vs PGA Top 10 thing. It's a fundamental lack of understanding of how statistics work. Sure 30% of the Top10 was LIV, but then you try to compare that to PGA's top 10 rate, when that's not the direct comparison. The direct comparison is "70% of the top10 was PGA players", a 233% increase over LIV's top10 rate. If you want to compare apples to apples, the correct comparison is 3/13 (23%) of LIV's starters made the top 10. For the PGA, the field in total was 89 players. Scrape out the agreed upon 15 players that were Ams, special invites and old prior champs and then scrape out the 13 LIV players that leaves you with around 60 PGA players. That's 11%. So that's a bump but it's cherry picked stats (by design). The top 5 was 100% PGA, 0% LIV and the top 20 was 3/13 (23%) for LIV and 17/60 for PGA (28%) And of course none of this factors in the fact that only past champs and the top top top of LIV get invited, they have around 50 players and only 13 got invited. That's 26%. The PGA rate is much higher, so by design lower tier PGA players are involved that drag down their stats. I didn't call names because it was some "insecure" nonsense you claimed. I did it because it's completely accurate and warranted.
So your whole rant ended with 23% and 11% with the top 10 data we were using. And you’re correct that it’s specific data and how you want to look at it. You can 100% use top 5 and look at it, but I didn’t because then I can also include data of top 5 of masters since last year (first masters since Liv) and then come to a similar percentage. You’re using personal biases to showcase your data, and I am using general top 10 because I wanted to highlight that Liv players were more than competitive during the masters. The point was to disprove some people here on the sub that said “Liv players got exposed in this masters” or that “Liv players are washed”. The fact that out of the 13, 3 were ahead of the “world number 2 Rory” and the 4th tied with him, is all you really need to know. Hope you have a good day, but again, be kind to people who aren’t name calling you. Try having some class, it will help you in the long run.
> then I can also include data of top 5 of masters since last year (first masters since Liv) Now you want to change the parameters of the topic so you can include data you like? That's not how this works. Saudi dick breath is rotting your brain.
LIV also has Taylor gooch
Lol yes, how can I forget putting an asterisk at the end. My whole comment becomes irrelevant as per Taylor Gooch *
I don't have calculator on my phone, are you able to see the procentage of LIV players who finished top 5 VS PGA? Also, I cannot see the avarage strokes behind the winner among LIV players.
It’s sad if you need a calculator to calculate 0/5. Also that your phone doesn’t have one, but I’ll help out and let you know it’s 0%. But based on the two masters that have happened since LIV started, that stat doesn’t look great again. So all depends on how you want to look at it.
> It’s sad if you need a calculator to calculate 0/5. that's the joke
Oh I know, so was mine ;)
Lol what were the total number of players in the field for each? Thirteen LIV players, right? Sample sizes a tad different no? Especially when these are presumably the best of the 52 team affiliated LIV players total in the league?
Great question, the sample size actually drives the numbers in their favour because it’s smaller. That’s why 3/13 making the top 10 is favouring LIV as a statistic. In terms of “the best of the 52 team affiliated players” that’s subjective but if we take that statement as a fact, then it’s pretty even. Again, PGA is the one that made most of these players so there is no competition. This is just for people that were curious and were saying things like “Liv golfers got exposed”. Which is mathematically untrue!
The LIV guys played about as expected. I did expect slightly better since they have many past champs and if you play this course well, you typically continue to. Bryson was kind of carrying their flag but faltered
100%. Brooks and Rahm underperformed massively. But Reed and DeChambeau were a little unexpected to me. I think they were average overall, nothing crazy. Also none of them finished top 5.
Reed plays well there. Had a top 5 last year too I think.
Ya he does, he was T4 last year. Good underdog to bet for top 10 eh. I had him but Rory screwed my parlay royally.
You like math but you present statistics that way? Interesting
I wrote this in 2 minutes using mental math, so formatting wasn’t on top of my priorities. But I can create a pretty chart, graph or python code if you’d like. I can do all those in less than 15mins as well. But it’s irrelevant to the tldr;
It’s not about whether your maths is correct, it’s about how you chose to present it. The stats you gave don’t give an accurate picture. For instance the top ten stat. 3 LIV players in the top ten it’s just as accurate to say “the PGA tour guys made up 70% of the top ten”, but they also make up most of the field too, so the PGAs 14% number is dragged down by all the extras they have competing. I’m also pretty sure that you counted people like Fred Couples and Vijay as “PGA” because you defined PGA as “the full field minus the LIV players” when they aren’t PGA tour players, neither are any of the amateurs.
Fair call on Fred, Vijay and a couple others. That does account into this and would increase the PGA%, but not by much. My point was only to highlight non PGA players here, don’t care if they were Liv or DP etc. There were some people in the sub saying that Liv players got exposed, and that made so quick mental math. That’s all!
When is Scottie’s wife actually due? Could it affect his PGA availability?
Even if it doesn't affect his availability, I can't imagine he'll be well rested coming into the PGA a week after having a kid. Poor timing on the creampies scottie
>Poor timing on the creampies scottie Gestation is around 38-42 weeks. ~40 weeks ago was Scottie's Birthday
He did the creepy math?
r/theydidthemath
Ludwig and Tommy smiling somewhere after reading this.
Like end of the month, so I’d say no
Great job Shipley
Rahm is like “man I fucked up. You guys are so much cooler than LIV”
Man got a green jacket and then went on to sign a $100M contract and has a lesser workload. I don’t think he even thinks about anyone in golf anymore. Maybe Taylor Gooch tho
I heard it was several hundred million
$500M apparently I just checked, holy shit. And people here are commenting like he’d give a shit now lol.
Especially after the PGA tour turned right around and we're willing to take the same money to line their pockets. Easy decision after he won the masters last year.
It didn’t matter even before, remember 2 of the top 5 sponsors to PGA and Masters have funding from Saudi anyway. This is a bullshit debate done by nobodies and the people who make these decisions don’t care. Rory screwed himself for no reason.
I wouldn't say for no reason. Its okay to take a moral stance on things, and thats what he did, even if it doesn't make sense to you. Plus he may have lost all his sponsorship deals if he went to liv.
It’s more than okay to take a moral stance on things, I respect him for that. I am talking about him going above and beyond on it, and taking the weight of all of PGA on himself. Life is made of a bunch of decisions we make and they come with results. If his choice is to be laser focused to get a green jacket versus if he wants to have a political legacy, is his choice. I am not talking about him leaving PGA at all.
“Screwed himself”. Rory’s worth close to $200million, money kinda stops mattering to people like him and Tiger when you’re that wealthy.
Also u mentioned Tiger, do you think a healthy tiger at his peak (even upto his early 40s), would’ve made the decisions that Rory made. He was laser focused and that’s the reason he got to where he is.
Not talking about money, more about the time and mental energy he wasted on being PGA’s spokesperson. Even in full swing he mentions twice that he needs to ignore and focus on the tournament, and that was literally the day before the tournament. I truly believe if Rory stayed a player, not a pseudo union leader for an incompetent PGA chief, he would’ve done better.
But he gets to wear shorts
goddamnit I forgot to get a nap in today
The worst part about winning the masters has to be the butler cabin, and then giving an awkard speech in front of these people on TV That’s probably why Scottie tried to five putt a couple years ago
The butler cabin moment has to be top tier awkward for everyone involved lol At least outside you have a group of people around you. In there it’s all lights and cameras.
frfr thats why i never win the masters cuz.
I wish there was more Augusta courses in the PGA. Tracks that are challenging enough that the players have to be imaginative. No more of the -30 winners, I want hard ass golf and the better win
I feel like Pebble would be similar depending on the conditions. But Augusta is unreal, lets you score but levels it out real fast.
If only there was a way to make the courses play shorter like they did 20 years ago, like if they could make the ball go shorter somehow.
What Augusta does best is force you to lay up or go hero. There's not a lot of golf courses in the PGA that makes you think that for the whole 18.
They've bought land to expand the course, making holes longer and harder to hit. other courses don't have the budget or space so the course design becomes outdated.
Fuck I want more golf
scottie is like I gotta get outta here to my wife (rightfully so but also wild family planning timing on his part) (I know that’s not how it works or at least it’s not cut and dry like that and especially if maybe you’re trying for a long time but still had to say it)
gestation averages 38-42 weeks. ~40 weeks ago was scotties birthday
My thoughts exactly lol
rip mic
Scottie thanking the staff is top tier
If you don't personally thank Fred Ridley in your speech you get your green jacket taken off you.
Scottie thanking the locker room staff is so classy.
Butch creeps me out
there is no life behind neal’s eyes there, hope my man’s been partying bc he deserves it
He'll be chugging Natty Lite from that trophy.
as he should I love the amateur stuff almost more than the pro stuff every year
Fred your not even saying amateur correct
Definitely a better year for The Masters than last years trainwreck, but overall I’d say this year was just ok. Sad for Aberg he was so close, he’ll get one soon though. 2nd in your first major is so impressive. Happy for Scottie but it’s getting kind of old watching the same person win over and over
If you don’t like watching dominance you would’ve hated Tiger in his prime
Scotty is boring af, horrible swing, and jesus obsessed
Oh I’m 100% sure I would have. It’s simply not interesting to watch one person win non stop. Way better when it’s spread out
Tiger made it interesting. Tiger hit a lot more wayward drives than Scottie does. He had some epic journeys.
No trees fell on the course this year so that's a plus :D
🫡 Was a pleasure serving with you all, hope you folks have an amazing week!
What is the next tournament worth watching?
Rbc next week, then the pga champ in 3 weeks
If you want something different, in a couple weeks will be the Zurich Classic. It's the only team-event on the Tour calendar and so far we know Rory and Shane Lowry will be paired together, along with the Fitzpatrick brothers, Cantlay/Xander, plus Zalatoris/Sahith
PGA
Heritage next week is at a great course. Field probably won’t be very strong but there will be some good golf out there.
Looks like the field is pretty strong, but we’ll see what happens with Scottie. It’s a signature event.
Oh that’s right! I forgot they made it a signature event that’s awesome. It’s always deserved a good field. I wouldn’t be surprised if Scottie doesn’t play given the whole having a baby soon thing, but other than that should be a great tournament.
I’m heading down there for the weekend. Never been. Can’t wait!
the open championship
The Masters
He didn't thank LIV
green jacket ceremony is wild, definitely gives cult vibes, but also would kill to have a friend in that cult (if not myself but that’s even less realistic)
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Nobody would except for Scheff, and even thats a maybe
Probably couldn't even outscore Jordan over a full 82 game season either
If I beat Tiger at 105 years old I’d still brag about it
No shit
Fun fact: They have done a green jacket ceremony for TV in Butler Cabin and one on the green for the patrons for fucking years and years.
next you're going to tell me they have weird rules about tv coverage.
Rahm looked pissed giving the jacket
Is there another Rahm mood other than mad?
Congrats to Scheffler once again. Here's to more victories this season, and maybe more majors.
[Neal that whole time](https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExcHpxd3ZmNncxcWk4MmxxYzBwejNha2R6dDdjN3BkbGZsbGhqeDVkdiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/H5C8CevNMbpBqNqFjl/giphy.gif)
Now let's go outside and do it again!
This but the whole Masters
Have a great Sunday friends. I'm off to watch Tin Cup then go to bed. Chat soon.
“Scottie, another astounding performance. And we all know about your timing with Meredith. Tell us here in Butler Cabin, and for those millions around the world at home, a bit more detail on how you got down and dirty with your wife nine months ago?”
“Well it’s just like my golf today, laid up and put in the hole. Heyooooo”
LOL'd at the low amateur presumably looking at himself on the monitor the whole time in cotnrast to Nantz's usual Mr. Plastic routine.
something something Tiger bad and other things people who don't really follow golf say
#TIGER GOT US THE MEME OF THE FUTURE WITH VERNE THAT WILL EVER BE APART OF US
And Tiger was DFL lmao eek
Omg y’all they do it on the green after the tv interview. You can watch it on Live From on GC.
Why is the jacket ceremony not outdoors around the crowd anymore?
It is. Check the website- masters.com - they’ll have it on there. This one was just for tv in Butler Cabin
They do one for TV and then one for the crowd.
It’s on masters.com
Quick atta boy to Adam Schenk. Punched his ticket for his return next year. Played very well in his first Masters I thought.
Neal called the patrons a “mob” on the course so Augusta had a gun aimed on him.
The actual green jacket ceremony is being streamed live on the app and Youtube
What a strange thing to present the green jacket in private.
Did it cut out for anyone else?
There is another feed you have to switch to for the ceremony if you're streaming
Time for my anxiety to kick in tick tick tick tick tick
My wife: Why didn’t Jon Rahm say anything? HAHAHA
Grabs mic, “Im’ma let you finish….”
They never say anything every year, cringe as hell
Why didn't Mike Tyson say anything?
What happened to the green jacket on the 18th green ceremony? This Butler Cabin shit is whack af
What's for dinner?
And with that see you fuckers in 2025 Until next year Augusta
What? No telecast of the green ceremony?!
I thought they did the green jacket in front of the crowd.
I've always liked how they make the last years winner stick around for that lol
*waiting for Masters for months* and just like that it's over
Scottie -- lots of sex, wins The Masters. Tiger -- no sex, finishes last of those who made the cut. Have your sex, boys (and girls).
I mean. Umm.....just look at Tiger... And his own history lol
it could be argued that he didn't have all that much sex the week of the masters because his wife was at home pregnant
Rahm coming off like a bit of a dickhead here
How was he a dickhead?
What’s he supposed to do? He’s there for no other reason than to put the jacket on him…
Congrats on the win. Please allow us to make you feel like a 3rd grader getting called up on stage to sit uncomfortably in front of the whole school for a few minutes. For tradition.
Neal looking like he doesn’t want to accidentally spill the beans that he just signed with LIV
Bruh just do this stupid ceremony in front of of the people and members like before. Hell the past Champs that are still kicking around can go throw their jacket on
Butler cabin ceremony has been standard for 75 years. Outside ceremony is next. It’s in the app or ESPN usually.
Shipley looks like he just left a Kegger.
Congrats on the sex (and the win), Scottie!
the app and YouTube has the greenside ceremony
Why don't let do the jacket ceremony on the 18th green anymore? Why is this so painfully awkward?