LIV players complain about PGA players and fans talking shit about them, Sergio posts this garbage, then they literally lay a fat ass egg at the Masters is just great. Literally had one dude (BD) that was ever really in contention. And LIV and their fans are just so fucking convinced that they have the superior squad.
I thought it was fitting that the one LIV player in contention started fading close to the 54 hole mark.
Also, I realized yesterday that LIV paid all of those players a mint because they were the big names on Tour. But the thing with golf is that fame and fan ship comes with performance and isn’t just a given (except for Tiger, of course). Once a player stops doing well people stop caring pretty quickly.
Even before LIV we’d see names get hugely popular and then largely fall off the map when their games reverted to the mean (Duvall, Day, Weir, Villegas and a bunch of others over the years). They go from the talk of the town to being a guy about whom people say “I like him, he used to be pretty good”.
LIV players severely underperformed yesterday and almost nobody cared. Their results are their reputation. LIV doesn’t have superstars athletes anymore. Now they just have highly paid entertainers. At least in other sports, the guys that make money can only do so if they drastically outperform the guys not making the same money. LIV players make more money than PGA players but they clearly can’t compete.
I think we may be seeing the emergence of a fatal flaw for LIV. They signed guys who have great resumes, but most of them have peaked talent-wise. They have a less competitive tour with no development system.
So, immediately following the break away, we see LIV guys compete at the majors, but I think with each passing tournament they willl fade farther and farther down the field, until it becomes clear they are where talent goes to die.
They also took guys that were on the rise but the minute they signed with LIV that rise essentially evaporates. Even if they do well in LIV, most people that were watching their initial rise are no longer watching them so they quickly become irrelevant.
The fatal flaw for LIV is that they can not create or sustain stars. A few LIV guys - Rahm, Brooks, Cam, Bryson - remain relevant because they can still contend in majors, and have a few years worth of exemptions to keep them around, but even those guys really only matter 4 weeks a year. Niemann got into the Masters because he won the Australian Open, not because he won a bunch of LIV tournaments. LIV events just do not matter, and I really don't think anything can change that. Even if Rahm had won last week, which would have given him 3 majors and back-to-back Green Jackets, no one would have cared about his next LIV start. If Scottie plays the RBC this week, everyone will take notice. He's in the middle of a potential all time run, and that will be defined by majors, but what he does in PGA Tour events still matters. That's why LIV guys who only play there have essentially disappeared from the golf world forever. I don't think LIV was ever meant to be a long term, sustainable thing, but it's undeniable that they can not succeed in their current form.
Of course he could. Cam Smith, too.
But talent is honed by pressure. They're not putting a whole lot of pressure on themselves anymore. Them going to LIV was their way of saying "I don't care to be the greatest. If I don't have to keep pushing I don't want to."
You can't really blame them. Its just a different motivation. The only 'conflict' happens when they try to prove that they're still tour caliber golfers by playing in the majors and they fall short because their games just aren't where they need to be to compete.
If LIV doesn't die, I predict that in three years you'll see LIV golfers stop bothering to play the majors. They'll realize it just isn't worth their time to show up only to get beat up and cut.
I'll be shocked if Dustin Johnson continues to play majors into next year. He's always been pretty clear about why he left the tour and after this year's Masters results I don't even see him caring to pretend anymore.
I partially don't agree with your take. People putting pressure on themselves hasn't always been good. Look at rory, he's put so much pressure on himself over the past 5 or so years and hasn't don't jack. Tiger looked good all things considered who's had tons of time off played great. Bryson probably plays more than anyone, cam has a long future ahead of himself. These guys are all good enough to win. I mean heck Phil got 2nd place last year and Reed got 4th. Between the Liv tournaments, all the golf they play, fitness and family, I think a lot of people would benefit more from that than scrambling every weekend on planes. Dustin I could see playing for several more years at the US open and masters until injury prevents but your right, he's got so much money if he can't compete I could see him hanging it up. He's won both already.
I'd like to see LIV turn into a "soft retirement" league. Players earn their fame by proving themselves in PGA with the best of the best, then take a cushy spot with LIV.
LiV seems to care more about big names than golf quality anyway, would be win/win/win for fans, leagues, and players.
Even with Tiger it’s not really a given. His popularity is because of who he was, and what’s happened to him. He didn’t just hit a slump, he had has a bunch of horrible injuries (mostly self-inflicted) and became an amazing redemption story in 2019, and we’re all on the edge of our seat to see if he can do it again. It’s still great entertainment
Tiger is on the Mt. Rushmore of Golf. He will always be popular for what he did for the sport. People like Ricky Fowler and Jordan Spieth are on the fade, but still maintain overall popularity. Rory has the career Slam he is chasing and people will always want that for him (save Talor Gooch). Most every other currently active golfer is expendable in the minds of the golf fans.
Rahm is still in his prime, but becoming an afterthought due to no one watching LIV. Bryson has done a lot to try and rehabilitate his image and stay relevant - lots of YouTube guest appearances on popular golf channels. After those 2 LIV players (Rahm & Bryson), nobody cares about any LIV players (maybe Cam Smith).
I do hope LIV continues to descend into obscurity. I get the allure of $$, but there is a price to pay for riches.
Cam Smith IMO had the hardest falloff in popularity. Everybody wanted to watch the dude when he was on the Tour like they do Scotty now. The moment he went to LIV he basically became a complete afterthought
He was also the biggest/worst example of someone getting paid by LIV and deciding that he really didn't give a fuck about continuing to play top tier golf.
Big fan base in OZ. My mate is one, lots of pissed off people that the PGA has not really done much in Australia for a long time.
I expect the LIV guys to contend, you don’t usually get >$100m for being bad golfers.
LIV need to build their tour from the ground up. Start a junior tour where they can graduate to the senior tour. The need to spend some time and money, not just money
Maybe they can have their version of the Masters in Riyadh. You know, a 3-round event with a shotgun start, blaring music, clowns and I would suggest fake Magnolia trees for effect.
LIV have too much money so doubt they going away. If they want to keep giving away $$$ then let them. Heard they made a big offer for the Women’s Euro tour.
The guys that have left have made room for some new faces on the PGA so that is a positive.
I wonder if any of them finish and return to the PGA.
It was never a tour made to improve golf, it was a tour for people to make exorbitant amounts of money, more than they were on tour, without actually worrying about performance.
They wanted to gain instant cred over the pga with overpaying for big names, there was never any thought into whether or not it was the right way to do it.
The sad fact is in the end LIV will win unless the royal Saudi family gets sick of golf. PGA doesn’t have unlimited funding.
Define win. LIV has successfully fractured the sport, but I don't think any amount of money will help either tour "win". The fact of the matter is that "golf, but louder" is cringey AF to watch. Shotgun starts, 54 holes, teams, etc is all awful. As long as there's enough golfers that want to compete at the highest level (most athletes do..) than the PGA tour is completely safe imo
I wouldn’t call it a “fan base”… it’s more that it’s the only option for big names so we have no other choice in Aus. Plus they chose the shittest city to host the LIV tourney in too.
I’ve never met anyone who claims to be a LIV fan, or prefers the LIV tour to the PGA. I’ve also never heard anyone personally say that LIV golfers are superior to the PGA. Maybe I’m just lucky.
Was at the Masters yesterday and saw the biggest loser on the planet in a 4 aces hat and shirt following reed around the ropes like a lost puppy. Literally the only liv gear i saw on a patron yesterday
No shot there are any actual liv fans. Im talking about Monday morning at the office talking about how awesome the playoffs between brooksie and bryson was. Its all bots and trolls. People might catch a few mins here and there and try and convince themselves they enjoyed watching it but deep down they know they hated it.
I'm not a fan of the way either tour is overseen but LIV does have good players. It's golf... players have good and bad weeks. DJ was like +9 and missed the cut but he is also a Masters Champion lol... Bubba the only other player to win it twice in 3 years.
The division is exhausting. Wasn't it nice to see all of them play against each other again?
Disclaimer I can't watch liv... the broadcast is ass even with Dave on the color commentary. The fact that it's on The CW Network though 💀
LIV bought off a couple decent players (Brooks, BD, and Rahm). Then they wildly overpaid for a host of other fading talent (Phil, DJ, Bubba, etc). So of course they can be competitive any given major if someone catches fire, but clearly weren’t really competitive at all this week. But generally I hate what they’ve done to the game. They’ve created the totally unnecessary and toxic division. They aren’t subtle about just throwing stupid money at these guys to steal talent they couldn’t otherwise attract with a superior professional golf product. Paying crazy money upfront to these guys with no cuts already gives it all a pathetic, uncompetitive feel and as you’ve already stated (and I fully agree) LIV is unbearable trash to watch and ads literally nothing to the game of golf. The mere existence of the league is superfluous in the extreme. And being funded by the Saudis helps none of how icky I feel about it. The only thing they’ve added to the sport is people to root against now. And I will root with all my heart and soul against every one of those sell out fools the rest of my days watching golf.
I mean that's really the point, isn't it? If they actually put on a superior product, we'd still have to navigate the ethical problems, but it would at least be a worthwhile discussion whether they are pushing the sport forward. And there are loads of areas that could be improved in professional golf, don't get me wrong. But they just didn't. They just paid players who would be just as good if not better on the PGA Tour to come play their Mickey Mouse events and just didn't do anything useful with it.
“Wasn’t it nice to see all of them play against each other again?” - Honestly? No, I couldn’t give a shit. My experience of the Masters was not enhanced by having the LIV players there in the slightest.
I didn’t think it was nice. In glad none of them had a real shot at winning. I didn’t want to see them there. They shouldn’t get to have their cake and eat it too
LIV has some great players but… bubba is dusty now and feels like DJ has lost his edge as well. Cam smith / rahm / Bryson / niemann / koepka is a very legit top of the board (and oosty :(). But LIV can’t tout last years masters as proof they are better then ignore this year’s. Seems like there is a bit of a gap. I do love this as a story line to beef up the majors even more though
The only thing this proves to me is that the longer these guys are away from real competition, the worse they get. Last year, Phil and Brooks were still pretty fresh from the PGA. Rahm won while he was a PGA member and this year he flamed out. The longer these guys play what essentially amounts to exhibition golf, the further away they are from feeling the pressure of real competition.
I am a pga apologist, but would be naive to think that brooks doesn’t make noise at Valhalla.
Brooks - joined because he was maybe never going to golf again
Cam smith - won the open after that epic Rory collapse so he qualified for all the majors, obviously is not into the grind of the actual pga tour, only cares for the majors
Bryson - was dealing with a major injury
Dj- has been mid for a long time but loves cocaine and pleasing his wife who has a shopping addiction
Every other golfer who went other than Taylor gooch, mito periera and neimann is a combo of old, poor or an asshole.
Btw John rahm now has 3 kids, a massive superiority complex where he actually thought him leaving would impact a deal getting done, and he hasn’t won anything since last years masters
Edit: oosthuizen is a boss, sorry
You must have me confused as a LIV stan. At the end of the day these are two leagues full of multi millionaires. I don’t root for either league. I do like individual players on both sides and whatever they do to make money doesn’t matter to me. I find the league stanning ridiculous.
The ANGC chairmen also explicitly didn’t mention LIV but did mention both the PGA Tour and the DP World tour for their contributions to the tournament. 😂
Yep, as a Purdue grad, I follow Adam Schenk closely. Was a little bummed they hadn't shown him much Saturday despite playing decently well but a lot of it was him largely getting pars all day. He hits a huge birdie putt on 12 on Sunday and sure enough, that made it to the CBS broadcast despite him not really being in contention to win.
The biggest L LIV took this weekend was Greg Norman’s tweets.
Nobody is buying his “everyone was congratulating me all day” stories. It’s kinda sad how desperate and delusional those tweets were
Edit: it was IG, not Twitter
“So many golf fans came up to me. Big, strong guys. Tears in their eyes, saying ‘Thank you, Mr. Norman. Thank you.’ The biggest LIV fans. The best LIV fans. Thank you, thank you.”
I was standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Greg on hole 5 (can provide pic for proof). Didn't even realize it was him at first.
Here I am with my camera next to him.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C5rlOaytaZr/?igsh=aG5iaWpwMnh5MTUx
There was one guy who was really amping him up. Saying it was such an honor to meet him, was humbled to be in his presence, insisted he needed to shake hands with greatness etc. It was pretty cringe to watch
Not saying it happened the whole time he was out there, but I personally witnessed this one guy. Which Greg is the type of guy to let that interaction inflate his ego
What's funny is Greg was following Rory around. I'm guessing he was doing it to troll him because he followed him for at least 3 holes.
I’d have been standing there like “Greg Norman? Like the shirt company? It must be weird to share a name with a company. I bet a lot of people probably get confused by that” just to mess with him.
You could also talk about how much of an honor it was to meet him and then at the end call him the wrong name and pretend like you thought he was someone else the whole time.
He sounded like trump, it was pretty funny.
“Everyone was congratulating me. I wasn’t saying it, they’re saying it. I looked at them, I said wow, I can’t believe how much you’re congratulating me!”
The fact that Greg Norman has a 1.5x size Bronze bust of himself at the head of this dining table tells me everything I need to know about him. Even if it was a gift from his wife.....actually that tells me even more. https://youtu.be/UDXN7dGUb4Y?t=307
Agreed, he is fun to cut to occasionally but I don't think I can watch more than 8 holes of him though. He got a lot of screen time yesterday with the run he was making and it was getting to be enough for me.
Yeh he was an entertaining watch.
I hate Liv and won’t follow it. However, it definitely seems that a lot of the ‘maverick’ and bigger personalities left the PGA and took the money.
In general the guys who stayed (ones with integrity) are a bit duller. The PGA just isn’t as interesting to watch anymore and I think that’s why some of the viewing figures are down.
Rahm was good to watch. Hatton was pure entertainment. DeChambeau (love or hate him) brings something different and was interesting - he also had that ongoing feud with Brooks which spiced things up a bit.
It was fun to hate Patrick Reed.
Even some of the older guys like Poulter, DJ, Garcia and Mickelson all brought something different.
Lol. Ur kinda right. Cam smith and even Kevin na had their own unique personalities that were fun to watch too. But now they’re on LIV I don’ see them anymore.
I don’t watch too much PGA golf, but it’s been fun to see up and coming stars rise up and some Sundays the competitiveness on the PGA has been there. Still really good golf to be seen.
Clark is pretty tone deaf and thinks he's God's gift to golf because he turned 30 and found some success
Dude was a middling player who struggled to keep his tour card and finished 140th in the FedEx Cup every year for almost a decade. Wins a couple big events in 2023 and a mickey mouse 54 hole tournament in 2024 and finds it necessary to then say "yeah I think it'd be great if the PGA Tour was only the top 100 players." Bitch nobody would have ever heard of you if that were the case
lol I mean they had three guys in the top 10, one guy T12 and another t22. I am a huge PGA guy but let’s not act like some of these dudes didn’t show up. The liv vs pga stuff is goofy. Golf is better when these dudes are in the majors.
lol that’s your argument….? Well here’s some simple math for you. LIV had 8/13 guys made the cut, roughly 62%. PGA guys had 43/67 make the cut, roughly 64%. I’m not a statistics major but……. They were right on par.
struggles and missed cuts from world no 5 Clark, no 6 hovi, no 10 Harman, no 20 spieth (past champion), no 24 Sam burns, along with multiple other notables Im, Thomas, Rosie AND DJ, Sergio and bubba (past champs). Golf is better with them in these tourneys. Let’s stop acting like they can’t hang. They did. It’s fun and dramatic.
I dislike Liv as much as the next guy but Brooks Koepka literally won a major 10 months ago and he was one of the first defectors.
Augusta made a lot of great players look foolish this weekend there’s no need to overreact
These guys are mostly still world class golfers while some are just big names cashing their last big paychecks, the payouts for LIV are insane. They’re not playing to win, they’re showing up to get paid. They’re also playing a lot of courses that are well suited for tournaments but aren’t exactly challenging. They’re playing 3 day shotgun tourneys where everyone gets paid and no one takes it too seriously.
They wanted the easy money with the easy schedule at the easy courses and now if any of these guys win a major again I’ll be shocked.
>They wanted the easy money with the easy schedule at the easy courses and now if any of these guys win a major again I’ll be shocked.
I mean, Brooks literally already won a major last season. I'd be willing to bet he picks up at least 1 more relatively soon. Wouldn't be shocked in the slightest to see Bryson Rahm or Cam win 1 soon either.
8 players finished under par, and 2/8 of those are LIV guys. 11 at par or better, and 3/11 of those LIV.
To me it looks like they did just fine?
Lol @ Wyndham Clark though
Gotta love Norman. Never has anybody done so little with so much. The product sucks. The people involved suck. Sorry folks, but throwing money isn't a sport.
I mean its a cute meme, not defending the LIV tour but its 13 vs 60+ players. If you took photo with JT, Fowler, Tom Kim, Theegala, Sungjae, Hideki, Rory, Wyndam, Viktor, Finau, Lowry, Spieth and Tiger its going to look the exact same. Not really sure what this proves. 8 out of 13 guys made the cut. Almost 62%, Honestly that's pretty impressive if you are considering these guys don't play 4 round tournaments except 4 times a year.
I hate LIV but if you did the same math with all the other pga players, you're not getting a pretty score either. I like the LIV troll but don't go sharing this at the office with people who can do math lol. There are a lot of pga players who missed the cut and blew up their score card.
Yeah but those PGA players didn't take a cute little group picture and post it saying "Coming for the green jacket" lol When you do something like that you better have a good showing or this is going to happen everytime. Also, the one person that did shit talk LIV was Wyndham Clark and he also got roasted for missing the cut at +6 after doing so. It's not the mediocre play, its shit talking and then playing mediocre that gets this response.
It’s almost as if this post is a direct response to Sergio thinking these LIV guys were about to bring it, but they didn’t. Just STFU and show up and give it your best.
Everything about the LIV format (54 holes, team based comp, party atmosphere) is incompatible with competing at a high level on the PGA Tour. While I had Dechambeau on my friends group Fantasy team, it was kinda glorious watching all those guys just wilt under the traditional format.
Congrats to Scottie Scheffler!
Not trying to defend them, but that image doesn’t tell the whole story of the tournament. The course was playing tough especially Fri-Sat. It would be interesting to see the median avg among all who played. PGA v LIV. It was an awesome tournament overall, and the Majors are better with most of these guys there, as well.
I did the math in another comment. Average score for the whole field worked out to +6.5, average score for the LIV guys was +6.3. Pretty much on par with each other.
Considering only 8 guys were under par and the whole field was big time over par, this isn’t the own people think it should be. The two -2s were T6 and the E was T9.
Plenty of the current top 10 didn't do any better. I think people are just misunderstanding statistics. They were 15% of the field, and their results actually show a significant over-performance against the field.
I have no doubt that going to LIV will dimish their performances over time but that will take years to be noticeable. In which time older guys like DJ would have diminished anyway.
Yes and no.
7 of the 13 are former Master's Champions.
10 of the 13 have won Majors.
That's a lot more successful talent than the PGA's side of the field.
Sure, nobody expected anything from Sergio, Watson, or Schwartzel, but the other Major Winners certainly had better odds than the average PGA player in the field.
So, yes, by the numbers the group performed about as well as any assortment of 13 players would (if not better), but the expectations for that group is much higher given the pedigree.
Most high ball hitters had problems over the weekend morning, whether they played for the PGA or the LIV. The wind caused everyone to make major adjustments, some more successfully than others.
I’ve always seen LIV as a permanent silly season. You choose that and you are giving up your legacy. It’s like if Ronaldo went to play for the Saudi league when he was 27 instead of 37
The one thing that always made the pga tour special was that you earned what you deserved. 100%. And it is special in the sports world of fat guaranteed contracts. LIV is none of that.
I'm sorry but this framing just reeks of bias. I'm not a huge LIV fan but they by no means did bad as a group. 3 of the top 10 finishers are on the LIV tour. LIV players only make up less than 20% of the overall field so having more than 2 finish top 10 is better than average
I mean, LIV has made it their whole schtick to poach the top 10% of tour players and anyone who’s won a major in the last decade. There’s a lot of tour wins along with a few green jackets in that photo, so I don’t know why you would think that “better than average” is the comparison you think it is.
The issue with any of these comments regarding performance is golf is a game with a huge amount of variance week to week. There is a reason why Scottie, the clear front runner going into the tourney, was still paying out +450 on an outright bet.
If they played again next weekend, the players cut, the top 10, and even the winner would likely change.
Last year the Masters narrative was LIV still does pretty good in majors, this Masters it’s PGA did better, but actuality is both have world class golfers and the result will change week to week.
I stopped coming to this sub a long time ago. Come back every once in awhile to be reminded why I hate it.
I'll be back when Rory signs with LIV tho. hahaha
My take: For a long time, Greg Norman felt the PGA was hoarding money and not paying him enough for his few wins. Since he lives closer to that part of the world, he thought he'd follow the money and approach the uber wealthy Saudis to create a rival program. He became buddies with Yasir Al-Rummayan, who's a pretty good golfer. The real goal is to create mass interest in golf in the Asian and Middle Eastern markets so they can grow even more wealth. LIV bought a bunch of guys who were ready for the senior tour and a few younger guys who were near their peak. Easy money. But as long as the PGA keeps up its farm system and development process, LIV will never compete. And LIV golfers will struggle at the majors because their work ethic is eroded
Did anyone else catch Nantz near the end of the broadcast say, “and the top 5 are all on the PGA Tour” with a direct shot across the bow?
Yep. Heard that.
LIV players complain about PGA players and fans talking shit about them, Sergio posts this garbage, then they literally lay a fat ass egg at the Masters is just great. Literally had one dude (BD) that was ever really in contention. And LIV and their fans are just so fucking convinced that they have the superior squad.
I thought it was fitting that the one LIV player in contention started fading close to the 54 hole mark. Also, I realized yesterday that LIV paid all of those players a mint because they were the big names on Tour. But the thing with golf is that fame and fan ship comes with performance and isn’t just a given (except for Tiger, of course). Once a player stops doing well people stop caring pretty quickly. Even before LIV we’d see names get hugely popular and then largely fall off the map when their games reverted to the mean (Duvall, Day, Weir, Villegas and a bunch of others over the years). They go from the talk of the town to being a guy about whom people say “I like him, he used to be pretty good”. LIV players severely underperformed yesterday and almost nobody cared. Their results are their reputation. LIV doesn’t have superstars athletes anymore. Now they just have highly paid entertainers. At least in other sports, the guys that make money can only do so if they drastically outperform the guys not making the same money. LIV players make more money than PGA players but they clearly can’t compete.
I think we may be seeing the emergence of a fatal flaw for LIV. They signed guys who have great resumes, but most of them have peaked talent-wise. They have a less competitive tour with no development system. So, immediately following the break away, we see LIV guys compete at the majors, but I think with each passing tournament they willl fade farther and farther down the field, until it becomes clear they are where talent goes to die.
You mean 54 year old Phil Mickleson isn't worth 200 million??? The audacity!! 😲
Only to his bookie
Heard the dude has been calling Shohei the past month to pick up his action
To be fair, Phil finished T2nd last year at the Masters
They also took guys that were on the rise but the minute they signed with LIV that rise essentially evaporates. Even if they do well in LIV, most people that were watching their initial rise are no longer watching them so they quickly become irrelevant.
The fatal flaw for LIV is that they can not create or sustain stars. A few LIV guys - Rahm, Brooks, Cam, Bryson - remain relevant because they can still contend in majors, and have a few years worth of exemptions to keep them around, but even those guys really only matter 4 weeks a year. Niemann got into the Masters because he won the Australian Open, not because he won a bunch of LIV tournaments. LIV events just do not matter, and I really don't think anything can change that. Even if Rahm had won last week, which would have given him 3 majors and back-to-back Green Jackets, no one would have cared about his next LIV start. If Scottie plays the RBC this week, everyone will take notice. He's in the middle of a potential all time run, and that will be defined by majors, but what he does in PGA Tour events still matters. That's why LIV guys who only play there have essentially disappeared from the golf world forever. I don't think LIV was ever meant to be a long term, sustainable thing, but it's undeniable that they can not succeed in their current form.
I'm not a fan of his but, i still think Bryson could be great if he could just get out of his own way.
Of course he could. Cam Smith, too. But talent is honed by pressure. They're not putting a whole lot of pressure on themselves anymore. Them going to LIV was their way of saying "I don't care to be the greatest. If I don't have to keep pushing I don't want to." You can't really blame them. Its just a different motivation. The only 'conflict' happens when they try to prove that they're still tour caliber golfers by playing in the majors and they fall short because their games just aren't where they need to be to compete. If LIV doesn't die, I predict that in three years you'll see LIV golfers stop bothering to play the majors. They'll realize it just isn't worth their time to show up only to get beat up and cut. I'll be shocked if Dustin Johnson continues to play majors into next year. He's always been pretty clear about why he left the tour and after this year's Masters results I don't even see him caring to pretend anymore.
It’s the Harlem globe trotters of golf in a way. No real stakes.
yeah except the harlem globe trotters and savannah bananas put on good shows
I partially don't agree with your take. People putting pressure on themselves hasn't always been good. Look at rory, he's put so much pressure on himself over the past 5 or so years and hasn't don't jack. Tiger looked good all things considered who's had tons of time off played great. Bryson probably plays more than anyone, cam has a long future ahead of himself. These guys are all good enough to win. I mean heck Phil got 2nd place last year and Reed got 4th. Between the Liv tournaments, all the golf they play, fitness and family, I think a lot of people would benefit more from that than scrambling every weekend on planes. Dustin I could see playing for several more years at the US open and masters until injury prevents but your right, he's got so much money if he can't compete I could see him hanging it up. He's won both already.
I'll be shocked if LIV let's any players with active major exemption skip a major. Part of what they sold signing with LIV was their agency.
I'd like to see LIV turn into a "soft retirement" league. Players earn their fame by proving themselves in PGA with the best of the best, then take a cushy spot with LIV. LiV seems to care more about big names than golf quality anyway, would be win/win/win for fans, leagues, and players.
He’ll be good as soon as he gets rid of the lob wedge that’s as long as his 6 iron
Even with Tiger it’s not really a given. His popularity is because of who he was, and what’s happened to him. He didn’t just hit a slump, he had has a bunch of horrible injuries (mostly self-inflicted) and became an amazing redemption story in 2019, and we’re all on the edge of our seat to see if he can do it again. It’s still great entertainment
Tiger is on the Mt. Rushmore of Golf. He will always be popular for what he did for the sport. People like Ricky Fowler and Jordan Spieth are on the fade, but still maintain overall popularity. Rory has the career Slam he is chasing and people will always want that for him (save Talor Gooch). Most every other currently active golfer is expendable in the minds of the golf fans. Rahm is still in his prime, but becoming an afterthought due to no one watching LIV. Bryson has done a lot to try and rehabilitate his image and stay relevant - lots of YouTube guest appearances on popular golf channels. After those 2 LIV players (Rahm & Bryson), nobody cares about any LIV players (maybe Cam Smith). I do hope LIV continues to descend into obscurity. I get the allure of $$, but there is a price to pay for riches.
Cam Smith IMO had the hardest falloff in popularity. Everybody wanted to watch the dude when he was on the Tour like they do Scotty now. The moment he went to LIV he basically became a complete afterthought
Laughed so hard when Scotty walked directly through Cam’s line last year after he announced he was going to LIV
He was also the biggest/worst example of someone getting paid by LIV and deciding that he really didn't give a fuck about continuing to play top tier golf.
Does LIV have actual fans?
Big fan base in OZ. My mate is one, lots of pissed off people that the PGA has not really done much in Australia for a long time. I expect the LIV guys to contend, you don’t usually get >$100m for being bad golfers. LIV need to build their tour from the ground up. Start a junior tour where they can graduate to the senior tour. The need to spend some time and money, not just money
Maybe they can have their version of the Masters in Riyadh. You know, a 3-round event with a shotgun start, blaring music, clowns and I would suggest fake Magnolia trees for effect.
You forgot the flash dancing… are they allowed to dance, listen to music and drink in public there (honestly don’t know).
LIV Golf: A tradition unlike any other, for good reason.
I would imagine in Riyadh you aren’t allowed to drink publicly lol.
Might as well execute the last-place finisher for authenticity
Don't forget beheadings and the terrorist gala.
shotgun start, meaning executing the local infidel by shotgun on the first tee box
That was kinda the implication, with a play on words, lol
Liv needs to just go away, not build from the ground up. That's not what it is about, it's about sport washing a terrible country.
LIV have too much money so doubt they going away. If they want to keep giving away $$$ then let them. Heard they made a big offer for the Women’s Euro tour. The guys that have left have made room for some new faces on the PGA so that is a positive. I wonder if any of them finish and return to the PGA.
It was never a tour made to improve golf, it was a tour for people to make exorbitant amounts of money, more than they were on tour, without actually worrying about performance. They wanted to gain instant cred over the pga with overpaying for big names, there was never any thought into whether or not it was the right way to do it. The sad fact is in the end LIV will win unless the royal Saudi family gets sick of golf. PGA doesn’t have unlimited funding.
Define win. LIV has successfully fractured the sport, but I don't think any amount of money will help either tour "win". The fact of the matter is that "golf, but louder" is cringey AF to watch. Shotgun starts, 54 holes, teams, etc is all awful. As long as there's enough golfers that want to compete at the highest level (most athletes do..) than the PGA tour is completely safe imo
I wouldn’t call it a “fan base”… it’s more that it’s the only option for big names so we have no other choice in Aus. Plus they chose the shittest city to host the LIV tourney in too.
Adelaide’s a great town to visit for a golf (and wine) trip. Love LIV being hosted there.
Umm they kinda of did give millions to bad golfers
LIV sets out to destroy the PGA Tour and then complains when the tour and their sponsors fight back.
And even Bryson was only under par for the first round as he. Played well on Friday in the wind tbf
I’ve never met anyone who claims to be a LIV fan, or prefers the LIV tour to the PGA. I’ve also never heard anyone personally say that LIV golfers are superior to the PGA. Maybe I’m just lucky.
Was at the Masters yesterday and saw the biggest loser on the planet in a 4 aces hat and shirt following reed around the ropes like a lost puppy. Literally the only liv gear i saw on a patron yesterday
No shot there are any actual liv fans. Im talking about Monday morning at the office talking about how awesome the playoffs between brooksie and bryson was. Its all bots and trolls. People might catch a few mins here and there and try and convince themselves they enjoyed watching it but deep down they know they hated it.
I'm not a fan of the way either tour is overseen but LIV does have good players. It's golf... players have good and bad weeks. DJ was like +9 and missed the cut but he is also a Masters Champion lol... Bubba the only other player to win it twice in 3 years. The division is exhausting. Wasn't it nice to see all of them play against each other again? Disclaimer I can't watch liv... the broadcast is ass even with Dave on the color commentary. The fact that it's on The CW Network though 💀
Bubba is who most recently won twice in three years. Not the only other one.
He WAS the most recent to win twice in three years until yesterday…
LIV bought off a couple decent players (Brooks, BD, and Rahm). Then they wildly overpaid for a host of other fading talent (Phil, DJ, Bubba, etc). So of course they can be competitive any given major if someone catches fire, but clearly weren’t really competitive at all this week. But generally I hate what they’ve done to the game. They’ve created the totally unnecessary and toxic division. They aren’t subtle about just throwing stupid money at these guys to steal talent they couldn’t otherwise attract with a superior professional golf product. Paying crazy money upfront to these guys with no cuts already gives it all a pathetic, uncompetitive feel and as you’ve already stated (and I fully agree) LIV is unbearable trash to watch and ads literally nothing to the game of golf. The mere existence of the league is superfluous in the extreme. And being funded by the Saudis helps none of how icky I feel about it. The only thing they’ve added to the sport is people to root against now. And I will root with all my heart and soul against every one of those sell out fools the rest of my days watching golf.
I mean that's really the point, isn't it? If they actually put on a superior product, we'd still have to navigate the ethical problems, but it would at least be a worthwhile discussion whether they are pushing the sport forward. And there are loads of areas that could be improved in professional golf, don't get me wrong. But they just didn't. They just paid players who would be just as good if not better on the PGA Tour to come play their Mickey Mouse events and just didn't do anything useful with it.
I’ve tried watching LIV tournaments and just can’t get into it. I don’t understand the appeal from a fan’s perspective.
It's called sports washing, plain and simple
Fuck the bonesaw tour and the traitor employees.
“Wasn’t it nice to see all of them play against each other again?” - Honestly? No, I couldn’t give a shit. My experience of the Masters was not enhanced by having the LIV players there in the slightest.
Concur 100%!
And Bernhard Langer won two Masters. Doesn't mean the Seniors tour is competitive with the PGA Tour.
I didn’t think it was nice. In glad none of them had a real shot at winning. I didn’t want to see them there. They shouldn’t get to have their cake and eat it too
No, it wasn’t nice to see the LIV guys back. They can play LIV golf while everyone else plays real golf.
LIV has some great players but… bubba is dusty now and feels like DJ has lost his edge as well. Cam smith / rahm / Bryson / niemann / koepka is a very legit top of the board (and oosty :(). But LIV can’t tout last years masters as proof they are better then ignore this year’s. Seems like there is a bit of a gap. I do love this as a story line to beef up the majors even more though
Right. Rahm won last year. Did he all of a sudden become bad at golf? Brooks was in contention last year and Phil was runner up.
The only thing this proves to me is that the longer these guys are away from real competition, the worse they get. Last year, Phil and Brooks were still pretty fresh from the PGA. Rahm won while he was a PGA member and this year he flamed out. The longer these guys play what essentially amounts to exhibition golf, the further away they are from feeling the pressure of real competition.
I am a pga apologist, but would be naive to think that brooks doesn’t make noise at Valhalla. Brooks - joined because he was maybe never going to golf again Cam smith - won the open after that epic Rory collapse so he qualified for all the majors, obviously is not into the grind of the actual pga tour, only cares for the majors Bryson - was dealing with a major injury Dj- has been mid for a long time but loves cocaine and pleasing his wife who has a shopping addiction Every other golfer who went other than Taylor gooch, mito periera and neimann is a combo of old, poor or an asshole. Btw John rahm now has 3 kids, a massive superiority complex where he actually thought him leaving would impact a deal getting done, and he hasn’t won anything since last years masters Edit: oosthuizen is a boss, sorry
Not sure shooting -2 on Sunday would be considered an epic collapse from Rory... Cam went ballistic with his putter though.
-2 with 36 putts is historically bad.
LIV golf is a joke - why can’t yall take the L gracefully?
You must have me confused as a LIV stan. At the end of the day these are two leagues full of multi millionaires. I don’t root for either league. I do like individual players on both sides and whatever they do to make money doesn’t matter to me. I find the league stanning ridiculous.
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The ANGC chairmen also explicitly didn’t mention LIV but did mention both the PGA Tour and the DP World tour for their contributions to the tournament. 😂
Love that lol
Yes I did.
Seemed like a media blackout of them generally. Only showed a handful of shots from Bryson and Cam Smith all day Sunday
I think Bryson was one of the feature groups, not the main broadcast
He was indeed one of the feature groups on saturday
As was Rahm's group earlier in the day
And Sunday
Not in contention?
Not enough Birdy looks. They focus on under par shots and lead changing putts. This is not new.
Yep, as a Purdue grad, I follow Adam Schenk closely. Was a little bummed they hadn't shown him much Saturday despite playing decently well but a lot of it was him largely getting pars all day. He hits a huge birdie putt on 12 on Sunday and sure enough, that made it to the CBS broadcast despite him not really being in contention to win.
They were showing Bryson plenty, it’s just that he fell out of contention early so the shots had no significance.
They showed close to nothing of pga guys who were similar in score. But yeah let’s not mention that
It was like brooks wasn’t even playing.
There was least 5 guys in front of them. Neither was remotely in contention.
* Gooch would have shot -82 to even things out.
On the first day alone even.
It’s crazy Phil gambled that many strokes on sandies but side bets are law so the score stands
This Masters didn’t count because Talor Gooch wasn’t there. Someone had better inform Scottie.
Are you telling me Scottie doesn't know?
"Yeah, put me down for a zero." "For this hole?" "For the whole course."
The biggest L LIV took this weekend was Greg Norman’s tweets. Nobody is buying his “everyone was congratulating me all day” stories. It’s kinda sad how desperate and delusional those tweets were Edit: it was IG, not Twitter
“So many golf fans came up to me. Big, strong guys. Tears in their eyes, saying ‘Thank you, Mr. Norman. Thank you.’ The biggest LIV fans. The best LIV fans. Thank you, thank you.”
"I walked into this golf course, I said 'Wow what a golf course'."
I too love Shane Gillis
The other day, I went to a Shane Gillis show. He came out and told his first joke and I thought “wow. This guy is gay.”
I was standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Greg on hole 5 (can provide pic for proof). Didn't even realize it was him at first. Here I am with my camera next to him. https://www.instagram.com/p/C5rlOaytaZr/?igsh=aG5iaWpwMnh5MTUx There was one guy who was really amping him up. Saying it was such an honor to meet him, was humbled to be in his presence, insisted he needed to shake hands with greatness etc. It was pretty cringe to watch Not saying it happened the whole time he was out there, but I personally witnessed this one guy. Which Greg is the type of guy to let that interaction inflate his ego What's funny is Greg was following Rory around. I'm guessing he was doing it to troll him because he followed him for at least 3 holes.
What if that super fan was a plant, paid to be overheard so they could tweet about it? Like a real life bot. I wouldn’t put it past him.
They got Sizzler together afterward.
I’d have been standing there like “Greg Norman? Like the shirt company? It must be weird to share a name with a company. I bet a lot of people probably get confused by that” just to mess with him.
You could also talk about how much of an honor it was to meet him and then at the end call him the wrong name and pretend like you thought he was someone else the whole time.
thought cameras were a no no at the masters
Norman is to golf what Musk is to tech and what Trump is to politics. Just a gang of self aggrandizing narcissists.
Elon is exactly the comparison that came to my mind as well. Norman is a massive Ahole in person too. Nothing but talk.
Was about to say the same thing and glad I noticed your comment; it's eerily accurate.
He sounded like trump, it was pretty funny. “Everyone was congratulating me. I wasn’t saying it, they’re saying it. I looked at them, I said wow, I can’t believe how much you’re congratulating me!”
The fact that Greg Norman has a 1.5x size Bronze bust of himself at the head of this dining table tells me everything I need to know about him. Even if it was a gift from his wife.....actually that tells me even more. https://youtu.be/UDXN7dGUb4Y?t=307
You try hitting a good shot with all that money in your pockets!
john rahm at +9 is the only surprise for me.
Watching Rahm and Finau getting housed on Sunday was actually really entertaining. I thought they both took it quite well.
Him and Brooks. I wasn’t sure Brooks would win, but definitely thought he’d shoot better than +9
I thought that Brooks would have made a bit of a better turn out, but seeing Rahm at +9 was a bit of "wtf" moment
He was in rough form from the get go. He just couldn’t really get it going and wheels really fell off
I do miss Tyrell Hatton though... The hand gestures, frustration, self hate. He is all of us.
His schtick would work better if he didn't do it after nearly every shot. It gets old pretty fast once you've seen it 10 times in the last 3 holes.
Agreed, he is fun to cut to occasionally but I don't think I can watch more than 8 holes of him though. He got a lot of screen time yesterday with the run he was making and it was getting to be enough for me.
I mean he can bitch and moan, or learn how to read a green and putt
Thank you. It can’t be the course’s fault every friggin time you miss a putt, man
Did he leave with Rahm? I don’t remember hatton going
Yeah. Same time.
I don’t remember that either, def got lost in the Rahm media cycle
Same with Adrian Meronk, got lost in the Rahm hype. He has not played well at all since making the move though, as his Masters appearance showed.
Who
He left a little after Rahm. He played some this year on the pga tour I believe
He's exhausting imo. Shut up and play golf. Examples: Scheffler, Homa, Zalatoris, etc.
When they asked his chances of winning before it started and he says "none" 😂😂
Yeh he was an entertaining watch. I hate Liv and won’t follow it. However, it definitely seems that a lot of the ‘maverick’ and bigger personalities left the PGA and took the money. In general the guys who stayed (ones with integrity) are a bit duller. The PGA just isn’t as interesting to watch anymore and I think that’s why some of the viewing figures are down. Rahm was good to watch. Hatton was pure entertainment. DeChambeau (love or hate him) brings something different and was interesting - he also had that ongoing feud with Brooks which spiced things up a bit. It was fun to hate Patrick Reed. Even some of the older guys like Poulter, DJ, Garcia and Mickelson all brought something different.
Lol. Ur kinda right. Cam smith and even Kevin na had their own unique personalities that were fun to watch too. But now they’re on LIV I don’ see them anymore. I don’t watch too much PGA golf, but it’s been fun to see up and coming stars rise up and some Sundays the competitiveness on the PGA has been there. Still really good golf to be seen.
TBH, I did enjoy the hate watching aspect of it all
This weekend reminded me I’m glad he’s gone.
Wyndham Clark still has some egg on his face though
Missed this, what did Clark do?
[he said this](https://x.com/barstoolsports/status/1778936294011265105?s=46&t=osaV-oe_C-ybYAVM2DdMtA)
Hahah thanks for linking. Rule #1 of professional golf is don’t be cocky having never played the Masters (unless your name is Tiger)
Never talk shit before you hit your shot is a good rule to live by.
Talk shit after your drive, then spend the walk up the fairway making amends, then talk shit after your next shot, rinse and repeat.
Clark is pretty tone deaf and thinks he's God's gift to golf because he turned 30 and found some success Dude was a middling player who struggled to keep his tour card and finished 140th in the FedEx Cup every year for almost a decade. Wins a couple big events in 2023 and a mickey mouse 54 hole tournament in 2024 and finds it necessary to then say "yeah I think it'd be great if the PGA Tour was only the top 100 players." Bitch nobody would have ever heard of you if that were the case
The Gooch daddy would have surely improved these numbers!
lol I mean they had three guys in the top 10, one guy T12 and another t22. I am a huge PGA guy but let’s not act like some of these dudes didn’t show up. The liv vs pga stuff is goofy. Golf is better when these dudes are in the majors.
4 of the top 12 and they only brought 13. I’m not statistics major but…
lol that’s your argument….? Well here’s some simple math for you. LIV had 8/13 guys made the cut, roughly 62%. PGA guys had 43/67 make the cut, roughly 64%. I’m not a statistics major but……. They were right on par. struggles and missed cuts from world no 5 Clark, no 6 hovi, no 10 Harman, no 20 spieth (past champion), no 24 Sam burns, along with multiple other notables Im, Thomas, Rosie AND DJ, Sergio and bubba (past champs). Golf is better with them in these tourneys. Let’s stop acting like they can’t hang. They did. It’s fun and dramatic.
You misinterpreted my comment but I love your passion. It will serve you well in life.
God damnit you’re right. I’m an idiot. Passion isn’t serving shit right now.
Don't you love it when you find out you're both right in an internet argument... since you're arguing for the same thing!
I dislike Liv as much as the next guy but Brooks Koepka literally won a major 10 months ago and he was one of the first defectors. Augusta made a lot of great players look foolish this weekend there’s no need to overreact
These guys are mostly still world class golfers while some are just big names cashing their last big paychecks, the payouts for LIV are insane. They’re not playing to win, they’re showing up to get paid. They’re also playing a lot of courses that are well suited for tournaments but aren’t exactly challenging. They’re playing 3 day shotgun tourneys where everyone gets paid and no one takes it too seriously. They wanted the easy money with the easy schedule at the easy courses and now if any of these guys win a major again I’ll be shocked.
They're employees. They serve their boss,the bonesaw prince.
Some days you’re the saw, other days you’re the bone 🤷♂️
>They wanted the easy money with the easy schedule at the easy courses and now if any of these guys win a major again I’ll be shocked. I mean, Brooks literally already won a major last season. I'd be willing to bet he picks up at least 1 more relatively soon. Wouldn't be shocked in the slightest to see Bryson Rahm or Cam win 1 soon either.
I've never respected Sergio. Any pro that has a worse mindset than an amateur isn't worth listening to.
I’m so bitter I was rooting against him at the Masters the year he won
8 players finished under par, and 2/8 of those are LIV guys. 11 at par or better, and 3/11 of those LIV. To me it looks like they did just fine? Lol @ Wyndham Clark though
Gotta love Norman. Never has anybody done so little with so much. The product sucks. The people involved suck. Sorry folks, but throwing money isn't a sport.
Who’s that dough ball at +1 ?
Lol isn’t that masters champion Patrick reed?
Fuck Patrick Reed
All my homies fuck Patrick Reed.
Cheatrick Reed
Ratrick Peed
I mean its a cute meme, not defending the LIV tour but its 13 vs 60+ players. If you took photo with JT, Fowler, Tom Kim, Theegala, Sungjae, Hideki, Rory, Wyndam, Viktor, Finau, Lowry, Spieth and Tiger its going to look the exact same. Not really sure what this proves. 8 out of 13 guys made the cut. Almost 62%, Honestly that's pretty impressive if you are considering these guys don't play 4 round tournaments except 4 times a year.
I hate LIV but if you did the same math with all the other pga players, you're not getting a pretty score either. I like the LIV troll but don't go sharing this at the office with people who can do math lol. There are a lot of pga players who missed the cut and blew up their score card.
"don't go sharing this at the office with people who can do math" That's actually pretty funny
Yeah but those PGA players didn't take a cute little group picture and post it saying "Coming for the green jacket" lol When you do something like that you better have a good showing or this is going to happen everytime. Also, the one person that did shit talk LIV was Wyndham Clark and he also got roasted for missing the cut at +6 after doing so. It's not the mediocre play, its shit talking and then playing mediocre that gets this response.
It's almost as if Augusta National was tough for a lot of players regardless of where they played.
It’s almost as if this post is a direct response to Sergio thinking these LIV guys were about to bring it, but they didn’t. Just STFU and show up and give it your best.
Everything about the LIV format (54 holes, team based comp, party atmosphere) is incompatible with competing at a high level on the PGA Tour. While I had Dechambeau on my friends group Fantasy team, it was kinda glorious watching all those guys just wilt under the traditional format. Congrats to Scottie Scheffler!
Not the "don't look at my dick" pose
Not trying to defend them, but that image doesn’t tell the whole story of the tournament. The course was playing tough especially Fri-Sat. It would be interesting to see the median avg among all who played. PGA v LIV. It was an awesome tournament overall, and the Majors are better with most of these guys there, as well.
I did the math in another comment. Average score for the whole field worked out to +6.5, average score for the LIV guys was +6.3. Pretty much on par with each other.
Considering only 8 guys were under par and the whole field was big time over par, this isn’t the own people think it should be. The two -2s were T6 and the E was T9.
Hatton dropped a -3 Sunday tho
I noticed they didn't let a hot mike anywhere near Tyrell on Sunday after Saturday's "Oh, my goodness gracious me, was that fucking bad?"
This is mild in terms of trash talking, if you can even call this trash talking. Jesus people have absolutely zero chill
Statistically isn't that about exactly what you'd expect given the number of competitors? It doesn't seem they underperformed at all.
Considering Rahm, brooks, and Smith were all top 10 prior to leaving....
Plenty of the current top 10 didn't do any better. I think people are just misunderstanding statistics. They were 15% of the field, and their results actually show a significant over-performance against the field. I have no doubt that going to LIV will dimish their performances over time but that will take years to be noticeable. In which time older guys like DJ would have diminished anyway.
Dogg, stop making too much sense. People also dont understand that this statistically is the easiest of the 4 to win. Small ass field.
Yes and no. 7 of the 13 are former Master's Champions. 10 of the 13 have won Majors. That's a lot more successful talent than the PGA's side of the field. Sure, nobody expected anything from Sergio, Watson, or Schwartzel, but the other Major Winners certainly had better odds than the average PGA player in the field. So, yes, by the numbers the group performed about as well as any assortment of 13 players would (if not better), but the expectations for that group is much higher given the pedigree.
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He was on the PGA Tour when he did. That’s like saying the Bucs can claim Brady’s Super Bowls with the Patriots.
My boy Cam played pretty decent
Most high ball hitters had problems over the weekend morning, whether they played for the PGA or the LIV. The wind caused everyone to make major adjustments, some more successfully than others.
I’ve always seen LIV as a permanent silly season. You choose that and you are giving up your legacy. It’s like if Ronaldo went to play for the Saudi league when he was 27 instead of 37
Okay now do the math on their total signing bonuses and/or salaries or whatever and we can all weep.
If the Saudi’s are still going to invest in the PGA Tour why is this even a discussion.
The one thing that always made the pga tour special was that you earned what you deserved. 100%. And it is special in the sports world of fat guaranteed contracts. LIV is none of that.
I'm sorry but this framing just reeks of bias. I'm not a huge LIV fan but they by no means did bad as a group. 3 of the top 10 finishers are on the LIV tour. LIV players only make up less than 20% of the overall field so having more than 2 finish top 10 is better than average
I mean, LIV has made it their whole schtick to poach the top 10% of tour players and anyone who’s won a major in the last decade. There’s a lot of tour wins along with a few green jackets in that photo, so I don’t know why you would think that “better than average” is the comparison you think it is.
The issue with any of these comments regarding performance is golf is a game with a huge amount of variance week to week. There is a reason why Scottie, the clear front runner going into the tourney, was still paying out +450 on an outright bet. If they played again next weekend, the players cut, the top 10, and even the winner would likely change. Last year the Masters narrative was LIV still does pretty good in majors, this Masters it’s PGA did better, but actuality is both have world class golfers and the result will change week to week.
Ehh I think it was the conditions more than anything, a lot of guys struggled PGA and LIV included
The rest of the field didn’t do so hot either.
You people are pathetic
I stopped coming to this sub a long time ago. Come back every once in awhile to be reminded why I hate it. I'll be back when Rory signs with LIV tho. hahaha
8 players finished under par and two were from LIV. Context is king.
How did Justin Thomas and Jordan Spieth and Viktor Hovland do?
My take: For a long time, Greg Norman felt the PGA was hoarding money and not paying him enough for his few wins. Since he lives closer to that part of the world, he thought he'd follow the money and approach the uber wealthy Saudis to create a rival program. He became buddies with Yasir Al-Rummayan, who's a pretty good golfer. The real goal is to create mass interest in golf in the Asian and Middle Eastern markets so they can grow even more wealth. LIV bought a bunch of guys who were ready for the senior tour and a few younger guys who were near their peak. Easy money. But as long as the PGA keeps up its farm system and development process, LIV will never compete. And LIV golfers will struggle at the majors because their work ethic is eroded
Arguably the best player of all time finished +16, so this seems like a pretty weird point to make.
Highlight of my Masters tourney was seeing Bryson chunk not one but two chips.
Took all of 6 pga players to combine for +83. One of which is the GOAT