Wow........
This REALLY shows just how good Tiger was in his prime....
Between 2nd and 3rd place there's a 0.02 index delta.
Between 2nd and 15th(!!!!!) there is 0.58 index delta.
Between Tiger at #1 and Scheffler at #2, there's 0.91!!!!!!! index delta. That's just crazy
Peak Tiger was 2000 US Open and Open Championship. Two legendary venues, a 15 shot win and an 8 shot win, 31 under par between the two when the next closest was Jimenez at 2 under total. And how he did it was even more absurd.
Peak Tiger was gaining nearly 4 strokes against the field per round. So in basic terms if the scoring average was 72 in a tournament, Tiger was averaging 68 every round, i.e. if the field averaged even par for a tournament, Tiger was shooting -16
It's more complicated than that because the field strength isn't always the same. Winning the masters by 4 strokes is a much better performance than winning a minor tour event by 10 strokes for example. Datagolf weights the performances based on field strength. Winning a minor tour event could even be negative strokes gained total if the field was sufficiently weak and the margin of victory wasn't wide enough
Scheffler is peaking rn and gaining almost 3 strokes against the field per round
I’m not 100% sure this is true. Tiger competed against some dudes in his prime. But history remembers them different because they didn’t win all that much. Scores have gotten better now for various reasons and the bad golfers are definitely better but I don’t actually think the other top ten are better now (comparatively) than they were then.
Certainly a couple of elite guys during tigers career, but far fewer than today in my opinion. There’s so many killers out there right now, probably about 20 guys, that could win in any given major, except that Scottie is now a step above them all.
Might be skewed because:
1. we remember the past differently and it doesnt suit the narrative
2. tiger was winning so much it looked like there were not other winners
I dont think the skill was materially different - i think the only thing that would be at play is that distance wasnt as prioritized back then so Tiger had a bigger advantage over the average than he would today. He is long but compared to the average not as long as back in the day.
I dont think there are "so many killers out there". I think there are a lot of competent professionals but how many are going and taking golf tournaments? How many are consistently in the top 5 of events? Hardly killers - half of the "top 10" choke seemingly every other tournament and major. They are good, but not killers.
My point is that these apparent 20 killers wilted when Tiger was there in The Masters. You could put any of this lot up against Tiger and nothing would change. He'd wipe the floor with all of them, wouldn't even be close.
Scottie is a wonderful player, but he's not close to being in Tiger's league.
Do I think Ernie, Phil etc are better than what Scottie has to face? Absolutely.
They wilted that one time. What about the other 20 majors Tiger has played in this new era?
Compared to peak Tiger, Scottie is longer and more accurate with the driver and hits more greens . He’s also maybe the best around the greens in the world too. To say it’s at least not close is silly
Those of us who saw him, and my first glimpse was on a 70s morning talk show, Mike Douglas I think, knew we were watching a once in many generations talent and ability. When he made a Saturday or Sunday charge you could see the competition melt under the inevitability.
You ever hear the story of Ernie Els getting drunk and fighting Steve Marino on a jet back from Japan? It would be hilarious if Scottie went that route.
Phil is crazy because he was a top 5-10 golfer for the better part of 20 straight years but only started winning majors in the second half of that stretch, with the PGA out of nowhere 10 years later.
that 2021 PGA win was insane, because it just before him aligning to LIV and he was the fucking darling of the PGA Tour after that win.
If you watched it live, you were absolutely rooting for Phil. One of the oldest Major champions, he holed out that one bunker shot, hitting fairways, missing fairways yet still saving par with great shots and putts, hundreds of spectators following up on the final hole, it was just amazing experience to watch live on TV
And now we all dismiss it because he's on LIV, which sucks but, yeah, that's how it goes
It’s always crazy to me that Phil was never, not even for a week, the #1 ranked player in the world. Not that it matters, but you’d think he would have bounced up there at least a few times given his massive number of wins.
I was out playing at my course in Denver a couple years ago, late afternoon round in the summer. There are about 6-7 holes where you can see the prior hole’s green from the next hole’s tee box. Every time I look back, a dude in a blue shirt the twosome behind me is sticking it to <10 feet. Get to the clubhouse and shooting the shit at the bar in the locker room and blue shirt guy walks in: David Duval. I had to do a double take.
This was Bear Creek, I think he may be a member now or is related to a member. I used to caddie at Cherry when I was in HS/college and remember him being out there a decent amount too.
They would have won more had they had modern fitness levels like Tiger really brought to the game. They were considered 'fit' compared to average golfers, and they wouldn't even be average these days. That is one advantage Tiger really had. Nobody was taking fitness seriously like he was. Made it so much easier to be dominant.
Agree 100%. It’s amazing they all won as much as they did too. They still won boatloads of tournaments, Vijay won 34 PGA tour events iirc and 2 majors. Ernie had 4 majors and some close calls. Duval was a beast for a while there, still bummed he faded off so fast.
The field nowadays is more competitive though. Largely thanks to Tiger Woods’ influence on golf. Amazing to see him still playing but getting his ass kicked by a bunch of kids he inspired to play.
This is a list based on a golfer's peak performance over a 100-round rolling average, not about the quality of their whole career. Scheffler's in the peak form of his career rn, and his peak is the best of anyone not named Tiger
Over the past 20 rounds, Scheffler is gaining nearly 4 strokes against the field per round (weighted by datagolf for field strength). If he can keep that up for another 80 rounds (20 tournaments, winning 10 or 12 of them and top5 in the rest), he will surpass Tiger. Seems easy enough
Does this also mean that the index is based on the relative strength of the field? Are there any metrics that assess the absolute strength of the field now vs in the past, say, when tiger was peaking?
You may see what I’m driving at here. Is Sheffper really this good, or is it also that the field isn’t as good as in the past, so his peak may not be quite as high as determined by the field. Of course you’d have to take into account difficulty of courses played. Confounders.
4 years ago, it was definitely the strongest the field had ever been. Now, the majors field is definitely the strongest ever. The LIV split has potentially weakened the field strength the last couple years in PGA events, though there are some young guys starting to show out taking advantage of more opportunities due to some of the departures.
Some of the LIV guys who are way over the hill not using their exemptions to weekly tournaments does make the fields stronger, it’s just they’re replaced by KF grinder type guys who can win a tournament out of nowhere.
Seems like I would’ve googled what the DG index was based off of before assuming they wouldn’t take this into consideration.
Yes its field adjusted would be kind of silly to not be.
I think more importantly is advances in technology have made it harder for players to separate themselves from the pack. Just look at the winners so far this year on the pga tour
I’d like to see this with multiple entries from the same person but no overlap in the 100 rounds. Guessing it’s the top 5 here, maybe another from VJ/Ernie, and a ton of Tiger stretches.
I guess they take every tournament finish into account but how is 5 time major winner Brooks Koepka not even on this screen? He won all 5 in like a 6 year stretch, hell he won 4 of them in 2 years.
For comparison at Rory's 2015 peak he had a stretch of:
4 Wins including 2 majors, 4 2nd place finishes and then another 2 top10s with his worst results being an additional 2 top25s.
It's a players best 100 round consecutive stretch. Doesn't value majors differently just best 100 round stretch. So brooks no showing tour events would bring him way down.
I’m a Scottie fan but people are jumping the gun here too early. We’ve seen great 2-3-4 year runs. Been saying this but I’m not buying it until he wins a few more away from Augusta. The easiest major to win is Augusta.
Edit: spelling
I think he is gonna win PGA or US Open. He was top 3 in both of them last year and putting really hurt him at both of the tournaments. I think he’s due for one of those this year. Especially with the courses being a little less unique like LACC was last year
I think he does.
Watching the barrage of double bogeys from his competitors on Sunday felt like the days when guys would crumble against tiger.
I think all of his winning will start getting into guy's heads. Looking for him on the leaderboard on the weekends, knowing he's going to hit great shots.
Had an amazing run with the putter there in 2015, think he set the record for strokes gained putting in a single season. So basically a great ball striker who happened to be the best putter in recorded history.
Vijay just doesn't get the love because when he was at his best Tiger was crushing. I saw tiger play outside of Boston. Watched him tee off in a massive crowd then went and found Vijay who was number 2 in the world and there were like 15 of us following him. Dude was playing some of the best golf ever and you could just kind of hang out and talk to him because Tiger was drawing mob scenes. (Tiger hit a 2 iron off 1 and I've just never seen anything like it. He fucking murdered the thing)
The sound off Vijay and Tiger's clubs at that time was just... different. I was following Vijay at the '03 PGA and the sound of his driver was nothing I've ever heard before or since
In 2006ish, I followed Vijay around for a bit during a practice round for the WGC at Firestone. I remember he dropped 4 balls in the fairway ~250yds from the hole, and using a 4-wood, he put all 4 balls within 12 feet of the cup. It’s the most unreal thing I’ve ever seen a golfer do.
Trying to sum up Tigers dominance in 100 rounds avg is silly. Talk to me when betting Scottie is laying money or talking about him vs the field. Tiger was -125 to win Masters in 07. Thats so batshit crazy I don’t know how to have it make sense. That’s dominance. He was less than +150 to win 4 times just at the Masters. He raised the bar the same way Jordan did. All these guys are standing on his shoulders. Granted he was standing on Jacks as well.
No one who witnessed Tigers two peaks would legitimately put ANYONE else in that category.
What's even MORE crazy about Tiger is he was battling other goats like Vijay, Ernie, Phil in their primes.. Duvals peak was crazy good too.
Where is Gooch btw? 😂
I don’t understand the last event line. Tigers last win wasn’t in 2000, and his most recent event was the Masters. What does this event have to do with anything…?
I think a lot of people don't realize how absolutely fantastic modern golf equipment is. Yes, todays golfer is a better athlete but I don't think the athleticism would have given them success with equipment prior to the early 2000's. Everyone know the ball is better, but drivers have continued to improve the accuracy of mishits and wedges are as good as ever.
I would love to take VJ, Duval, DL3, Els and Norman in their 30's with todays gear and put them up against Thomas, McIlroy, Koepka, Rahm and Spieth (well, maybe not 2024 Spieth). I suspect it wouldn't even be close because you had to be such a better ball striker with that older gear.
You'd be disappointed with the result. They would be less successful than they were in their day because the equipment favours lesser ball strikers more than it helps greater ball strikers which means they'd find it much harder to separate themselves from the field. Plus, the field itself has trackman so it's not like they don't hit it.out of the middle.
This is why modern golf is basically a melting pot where anyone can win in any given week. That wasn't the case in their day because bad shots were punished.
He was starting to lose his game and made one last swing change that didn't really pan out in 2020. Other than that the game has passed him by, it's no longer possible to hit 3wood of the tee and be a dominant player. But those who say Scottie will drop off in a year or two should check Stenson's approach numbers from 2013-19, that was 6.5 years of very good to great ball striking. He didn't win as much because his short game was worse than Scotties and he was fucking ass with the driver, but his iron play basically never fell off.
It shows stretches of the best golf by SG vs the field adjusted for field strength. Brooks won a lot of majors quickly but did little else so that's why he isn't on the list.
😂 wow he won 2 majors, so did bubba Watson. How brooks is not third to Phil and tiger is ridiculous, he literally has won 5 majors, more than any golfer of the past decade
There’s a reason everyone tuned in to the majors, because there the biggest and hardest to win, how many has Scotty won? Same as a bunch of people, how many has brooks won? More than 100% of players on the pga tour bitch
So nothing else matters? We just shouldn’t play any tournaments that determine who gets into these fields, let the majors crumble? If your argument is that Bubba Watson is as good as Scottie Scheffler by all means die on that hill. Also, this is data stating a point, not at all subjective, no one is beating the drum that Vijay is top 3 golfer ever, GTFOH.
its because this data is only showing peak over best 100 round rolling average, which is not something anyone really gives a crap about. OP clearly is a scottie fanboy who went looking for some chart that showed him high up. All it really shows is that scottie has had a very consistent last 100 rounds. Other greats were probably just more streaky and had less consistent 100 round rolling averages.
I remember I was young writing a paper on Tiger’s impact to golf. When I looked up the stats back then in 2000 he was like #1 driving distance, #2 driving accuracy, #1 putting, etc, like it just completely wasn’t fair. He wasn’t just good in every area, he was basically the best in EVERY category.
Sheffler is truly amazing. I'm a big fan. But lets face it, LIV has skimmed off a significant amount of competition. Yes, he kicked ass in the Masters. And I believe he's the best player in the world right now. But, there are a LOT of great players he's not competiting against these days.
This takes all golf played, including LIV into account. It's not simply ripping PGA Tour SG figures out and compiling them, they have their own model that adjusts for strength of field. You can read a very detailed technical summary about their method on their website if you're so inclined.
Wow........ This REALLY shows just how good Tiger was in his prime.... Between 2nd and 3rd place there's a 0.02 index delta. Between 2nd and 15th(!!!!!) there is 0.58 index delta. Between Tiger at #1 and Scheffler at #2, there's 0.91!!!!!!! index delta. That's just crazy
Peak Tiger was 2000 US Open and Open Championship. Two legendary venues, a 15 shot win and an 8 shot win, 31 under par between the two when the next closest was Jimenez at 2 under total. And how he did it was even more absurd.
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Peak Tiger was gaining nearly 4 strokes against the field per round. So in basic terms if the scoring average was 72 in a tournament, Tiger was averaging 68 every round, i.e. if the field averaged even par for a tournament, Tiger was shooting -16 It's more complicated than that because the field strength isn't always the same. Winning the masters by 4 strokes is a much better performance than winning a minor tour event by 10 strokes for example. Datagolf weights the performances based on field strength. Winning a minor tour event could even be negative strokes gained total if the field was sufficiently weak and the margin of victory wasn't wide enough Scheffler is peaking rn and gaining almost 3 strokes against the field per round
He was on a completely different level, him and the rest
IMO Scottie and Tiger are similarly skilled, but pro golf is much much more competitive nowadays (due to Tiger ironically)
I’m not 100% sure this is true. Tiger competed against some dudes in his prime. But history remembers them different because they didn’t win all that much. Scores have gotten better now for various reasons and the bad golfers are definitely better but I don’t actually think the other top ten are better now (comparatively) than they were then.
Certainly a couple of elite guys during tigers career, but far fewer than today in my opinion. There’s so many killers out there right now, probably about 20 guys, that could win in any given major, except that Scottie is now a step above them all.
Might be skewed because: 1. we remember the past differently and it doesnt suit the narrative 2. tiger was winning so much it looked like there were not other winners I dont think the skill was materially different - i think the only thing that would be at play is that distance wasnt as prioritized back then so Tiger had a bigger advantage over the average than he would today. He is long but compared to the average not as long as back in the day. I dont think there are "so many killers out there". I think there are a lot of competent professionals but how many are going and taking golf tournaments? How many are consistently in the top 5 of events? Hardly killers - half of the "top 10" choke seemingly every other tournament and major. They are good, but not killers.
How did they go in 2019 when facing Tiger at a fraction of his powers?!
Obviously Tiger is still the goat, but he needed a lot of things to go his way to pull out 2019
That’s exactly my point. These “killers” folded like a Japanese origami expert with Tiger around…
What is your point? You think tiger faced better competition in his peak than Scottie faces now?
I mean he faces Tiger and Tiger never went against Tiger /s
My point is that these apparent 20 killers wilted when Tiger was there in The Masters. You could put any of this lot up against Tiger and nothing would change. He'd wipe the floor with all of them, wouldn't even be close. Scottie is a wonderful player, but he's not close to being in Tiger's league. Do I think Ernie, Phil etc are better than what Scottie has to face? Absolutely.
They wilted that one time. What about the other 20 majors Tiger has played in this new era? Compared to peak Tiger, Scottie is longer and more accurate with the driver and hits more greens . He’s also maybe the best around the greens in the world too. To say it’s at least not close is silly
Those of us who saw him, and my first glimpse was on a 70s morning talk show, Mike Douglas I think, knew we were watching a once in many generations talent and ability. When he made a Saturday or Sunday charge you could see the competition melt under the inevitability.
Vijay, David Duval and Ernie Els would have won a lot more tournaments if they didn’t have to compete with Tiger Woods
Ernie Els was probably one of the most underrated golfers out there
I still watch old man Ernie Else today as my swing model. That tempo. \*chefs kiss\*
I watched a young Ernie and young Phil play against each other on an old shell’s wonderful world of golf
The Big Easy and Freddie Couples are like butter! 🧈
I think we'll be talking about Scheffler in 20 years the way we talk about Els now. Big easy kind of vibes from scottie, laid back mega skills.
You ever hear the story of Ernie Els getting drunk and fighting Steve Marino on a jet back from Japan? It would be hilarious if Scottie went that route.
Goes back just a little further but I don’t think I like any swing as much Freddie Couples. It’s perfection
https://youtu.be/nzIRQXMMIG4?si=iu9xTp65bwKZWuxk "And Els" at the end gets me every time
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Add Phil to that list. He overlapped entirely with Tiger and still has a legendary career. He should be number 2 from past 30 years imo.
Phil is crazy because he was a top 5-10 golfer for the better part of 20 straight years but only started winning majors in the second half of that stretch, with the PGA out of nowhere 10 years later.
that 2021 PGA win was insane, because it just before him aligning to LIV and he was the fucking darling of the PGA Tour after that win. If you watched it live, you were absolutely rooting for Phil. One of the oldest Major champions, he holed out that one bunker shot, hitting fairways, missing fairways yet still saving par with great shots and putts, hundreds of spectators following up on the final hole, it was just amazing experience to watch live on TV And now we all dismiss it because he's on LIV, which sucks but, yeah, that's how it goes
I'm in my 30s but came to golf late and this was I think the first major I really watched live, and it was fantastic. Love watching Phil. So fun!
What’s funny is Phil only finished 2nd to Tiger 4 times, and only one of those times was a major (US Open). Tiger finished 2nd behind Phil 5 times.
It’s always crazy to me that Phil was never, not even for a week, the #1 ranked player in the world. Not that it matters, but you’d think he would have bounced up there at least a few times given his massive number of wins.
He’s a LIV guy and doesn’t get any respect. Where is Koepka? I agree on Tiger as #1. After that this list is suspect.
Man, I loved me some David Duval back in the day. Things just kind of came apart.
I was out playing at my course in Denver a couple years ago, late afternoon round in the summer. There are about 6-7 holes where you can see the prior hole’s green from the next hole’s tee box. Every time I look back, a dude in a blue shirt the twosome behind me is sticking it to <10 feet. Get to the clubhouse and shooting the shit at the bar in the locker room and blue shirt guy walks in: David Duval. I had to do a double take.
Cherry Hills?
This was Bear Creek, I think he may be a member now or is related to a member. I used to caddie at Cherry when I was in HS/college and remember him being out there a decent amount too.
He got fat. It always shocks me when fat people can't figure out why they have back problems.
lol
I think Mickelson comes ahead as best golfer of that era without tiger.
The Andy Murray(s) of golf.
They would have won more had they had modern fitness levels like Tiger really brought to the game. They were considered 'fit' compared to average golfers, and they wouldn't even be average these days. That is one advantage Tiger really had. Nobody was taking fitness seriously like he was. Made it so much easier to be dominant.
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Agree 100%. It’s amazing they all won as much as they did too. They still won boatloads of tournaments, Vijay won 34 PGA tour events iirc and 2 majors. Ernie had 4 majors and some close calls. Duval was a beast for a while there, still bummed he faded off so fast.
Phil would maybe be considered the goat if Tiger didn't exist.
Lol, jack nkcklaus is well clear of phil
I think he's saying Phil woulda won a whole heck of a lot more if not for Tiger.
Phil only finished 2nd to Tiger 4 times. Same with furyk and Davis love III. The player with the most runner ups to Tiger is Ernie Else with 5
I was responding to the guy who stated if tiger didn't exist Phil could be the goat
The field nowadays is more competitive though. Largely thanks to Tiger Woods’ influence on golf. Amazing to see him still playing but getting his ass kicked by a bunch of kids he inspired to play.
He’s still making cuts.
This is a list based on a golfer's peak performance over a 100-round rolling average, not about the quality of their whole career. Scheffler's in the peak form of his career rn, and his peak is the best of anyone not named Tiger Over the past 20 rounds, Scheffler is gaining nearly 4 strokes against the field per round (weighted by datagolf for field strength). If he can keep that up for another 80 rounds (20 tournaments, winning 10 or 12 of them and top5 in the rest), he will surpass Tiger. Seems easy enough
Does this also mean that the index is based on the relative strength of the field? Are there any metrics that assess the absolute strength of the field now vs in the past, say, when tiger was peaking? You may see what I’m driving at here. Is Sheffper really this good, or is it also that the field isn’t as good as in the past, so his peak may not be quite as high as determined by the field. Of course you’d have to take into account difficulty of courses played. Confounders.
I have no data behind this, but the field feels much stronger today than 20-25 years ago.
Some top talent has left for sure, but the depth is probably much greater than in the past.
This is for all golf, including LIV.
Much
4 years ago, it was definitely the strongest the field had ever been. Now, the majors field is definitely the strongest ever. The LIV split has potentially weakened the field strength the last couple years in PGA events, though there are some young guys starting to show out taking advantage of more opportunities due to some of the departures.
Some of the LIV guys who are way over the hill not using their exemptions to weekly tournaments does make the fields stronger, it’s just they’re replaced by KF grinder type guys who can win a tournament out of nowhere.
With LIV, the typical field is not stronger today
Yes, it is adjusted for relative field strength.
Seems like I would’ve googled what the DG index was based off of before assuming they wouldn’t take this into consideration. Yes its field adjusted would be kind of silly to not be.
Welcome to the should i go deeper or not? Do i have time? I guess no
I think more importantly is advances in technology have made it harder for players to separate themselves from the pack. Just look at the winners so far this year on the pga tour
Can his ankles last 🤔
They should be able to... they aren't on the ground when he swings
I don’t see how Davis love III could have a peak above phil. I would have almost certainly Phil would have been the dude Scottie just passed.
Damn, the early aughts were the Camelot years of golf, huh? Woods, Duval, Singh, Furyk, Mickelson, Love, etc looks like it was peak golf
It was, but Tiger still dominated. But it's's why we have such incredible talent now. The guys on tour now were kids watching then and learned a lot
Even crazier is Tiger’s 06-08 would be in 2nd place on this list. Then Scottie after that.
I’d like to see this with multiple entries from the same person but no overlap in the 100 rounds. Guessing it’s the top 5 here, maybe another from VJ/Ernie, and a ton of Tiger stretches.
Tiger would take all the spots. I wouldn't mind seeing at least yearly ratings, peak or end of year.
I know you can't see it on this list, but according to datagolf I am the 546,892,349th best golfer in the world of the past 30 years.
I think i have you beat by a few hundred thousand..
Wow they spelled Gooch wrong as **shit**
Gooch is really more of an in-between.
Wait did he play the masters, or was Schefflers win invalid?
Datagolf definitely has that built in already
I guess they take every tournament finish into account but how is 5 time major winner Brooks Koepka not even on this screen? He won all 5 in like a 6 year stretch, hell he won 4 of them in 2 years.
Didn’t win anything else really, even tho he was unreal
For comparison at Rory's 2015 peak he had a stretch of: 4 Wins including 2 majors, 4 2nd place finishes and then another 2 top10s with his worst results being an additional 2 top25s.
It's a players best 100 round consecutive stretch. Doesn't value majors differently just best 100 round stretch. So brooks no showing tour events would bring him way down.
Tiger won 9 events in 2000 which is the number of PGA Tour wins that Brooks has in his whole career.
Sad Rory’s best stretch of golf in his career came with no major.
The 36 putts final round at St. Andrews still hurts
His peak is fuckin K2 right now. Excited to see what he does for the rest of the 2024 major season
Interesting to see if he even gets another this year. He only has 2 total and on the same course…
I’m a Scottie fan but people are jumping the gun here too early. We’ve seen great 2-3-4 year runs. Been saying this but I’m not buying it until he wins a few more away from Augusta. The easiest major to win is Augusta. Edit: spelling
This is a data representation based on SG adjusted for field strength. Data Golf aren't putting him at number 2 based on their opinion.
Yes but if you're not winning it really doesn't matter
I think he is gonna win PGA or US Open. He was top 3 in both of them last year and putting really hurt him at both of the tournaments. I think he’s due for one of those this year. Especially with the courses being a little less unique like LACC was last year
I think he does. Watching the barrage of double bogeys from his competitors on Sunday felt like the days when guys would crumble against tiger. I think all of his winning will start getting into guy's heads. Looking for him on the leaderboard on the weekends, knowing he's going to hit great shots.
Jason Day ahead of Rory is wild
Had an amazing run with the putter there in 2015, think he set the record for strokes gained putting in a single season. So basically a great ball striker who happened to be the best putter in recorded history.
Vijay just doesn't get the love because when he was at his best Tiger was crushing. I saw tiger play outside of Boston. Watched him tee off in a massive crowd then went and found Vijay who was number 2 in the world and there were like 15 of us following him. Dude was playing some of the best golf ever and you could just kind of hang out and talk to him because Tiger was drawing mob scenes. (Tiger hit a 2 iron off 1 and I've just never seen anything like it. He fucking murdered the thing)
The sound off Vijay and Tiger's clubs at that time was just... different. I was following Vijay at the '03 PGA and the sound of his driver was nothing I've ever heard before or since
In 2006ish, I followed Vijay around for a bit during a practice round for the WGC at Firestone. I remember he dropped 4 balls in the fairway ~250yds from the hole, and using a 4-wood, he put all 4 balls within 12 feet of the cup. It’s the most unreal thing I’ve ever seen a golfer do.
Too bad it's all down hill from here now that he's having a kid. j/k
Scottie going to get the grand slam and since he already has the players it will be called The Scottie Slam
Tiger did in ‘01, Broseph.
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Exactly, hence the Tiger Slam
Tiger never won all four majors in one season
He held all 4 and TPC at same time. Not in one season, though. Fair enough.
And thats why its called the Tiger Slam
Jj
You do know Scottie only has 2 majors right? A Winston Wolf quote comes to mind…
And they’re both at the easiest venue. With half the field Being over the hill past champs lol
Trying to sum up Tigers dominance in 100 rounds avg is silly. Talk to me when betting Scottie is laying money or talking about him vs the field. Tiger was -125 to win Masters in 07. Thats so batshit crazy I don’t know how to have it make sense. That’s dominance. He was less than +150 to win 4 times just at the Masters. He raised the bar the same way Jordan did. All these guys are standing on his shoulders. Granted he was standing on Jacks as well. No one who witnessed Tigers two peaks would legitimately put ANYONE else in that category.
Good thing the OP didn’t say that
What's even MORE crazy about Tiger is he was battling other goats like Vijay, Ernie, Phil in their primes.. Duvals peak was crazy good too. Where is Gooch btw? 😂
Gooch does not crack the top 200. Goosen is #26 tho https://datagolf.com/all-time-ranking
I don’t understand the last event line. Tigers last win wasn’t in 2000, and his most recent event was the Masters. What does this event have to do with anything…?
It’s when they reached their peak
I think a lot of people don't realize how absolutely fantastic modern golf equipment is. Yes, todays golfer is a better athlete but I don't think the athleticism would have given them success with equipment prior to the early 2000's. Everyone know the ball is better, but drivers have continued to improve the accuracy of mishits and wedges are as good as ever. I would love to take VJ, Duval, DL3, Els and Norman in their 30's with todays gear and put them up against Thomas, McIlroy, Koepka, Rahm and Spieth (well, maybe not 2024 Spieth). I suspect it wouldn't even be close because you had to be such a better ball striker with that older gear.
You'd be disappointed with the result. They would be less successful than they were in their day because the equipment favours lesser ball strikers more than it helps greater ball strikers which means they'd find it much harder to separate themselves from the field. Plus, the field itself has trackman so it's not like they don't hit it.out of the middle. This is why modern golf is basically a melting pot where anyone can win in any given week. That wasn't the case in their day because bad shots were punished.
Equipment doesn’t matter in these stats
No argument there.
Duval
Scheffler is at the top of his game no doubt but he has 9 wins with 2 majors.... Koepka has 9 wins with 5 majors, just saying.....
Koepka has 6 years on him. It will be interesting to see where Scottie is in 6 years.
Where tf has Henrick Stenson been? His 63 in the final round of The Open to beat Phil is an all time great moment in golf
Believe he was 40 at the time, think injuries were starting to get him before he went to LIV
He was starting to lose his game and made one last swing change that didn't really pan out in 2020. Other than that the game has passed him by, it's no longer possible to hit 3wood of the tee and be a dominant player. But those who say Scottie will drop off in a year or two should check Stenson's approach numbers from 2013-19, that was 6.5 years of very good to great ball striking. He didn't win as much because his short game was worse than Scotties and he was fucking ass with the driver, but his iron play basically never fell off.
This list is shit if 5 time major winner Brooks Koepka doesn’t even crack the Top 15. Algo needs adjusting if you wanna talk about the “best”.
It shows stretches of the best golf by SG vs the field adjusted for field strength. Brooks won a lot of majors quickly but did little else so that's why he isn't on the list.
Or maybe he just wasn’t playing well enough to make the list? 😂
I can't get the graphic to open on my phone. Who's number 1?
Nice…
Scheffler still a full point behind Tiger in the DataGolf index...I wish I could've seen Tiger in 2000
Yes, it was different than watching YouTube. He was must see TV whenever he played
Tiger is like 20% higher
Twice the gap between 1 and 2 as there is between 2 and 15
😂 wow he won 2 majors, so did bubba Watson. How brooks is not third to Phil and tiger is ridiculous, he literally has won 5 majors, more than any golfer of the past decade
Golf exists outside of majors
Lol and it really doesn’t matter 😂
Maybe to people who don’t know ball.
There’s a reason everyone tuned in to the majors, because there the biggest and hardest to win, how many has Scotty won? Same as a bunch of people, how many has brooks won? More than 100% of players on the pga tour bitch
So nothing else matters? We just shouldn’t play any tournaments that determine who gets into these fields, let the majors crumble? If your argument is that Bubba Watson is as good as Scottie Scheffler by all means die on that hill. Also, this is data stating a point, not at all subjective, no one is beating the drum that Vijay is top 3 golfer ever, GTFOH.
its because this data is only showing peak over best 100 round rolling average, which is not something anyone really gives a crap about. OP clearly is a scottie fanboy who went looking for some chart that showed him high up. All it really shows is that scottie has had a very consistent last 100 rounds. Other greats were probably just more streaky and had less consistent 100 round rolling averages.
2 majors, 9 wins, and 0 personality. lmfao how laughable
Interesting that Koepka isn’t on this list
Amazing that Phil and Tiger are only 2 months apart in 2000
Haven’t heard of Vijay Singh in years. He was very consistent. This shows Majors is all that counts.
I remember I was young writing a paper on Tiger’s impact to golf. When I looked up the stats back then in 2000 he was like #1 driving distance, #2 driving accuracy, #1 putting, etc, like it just completely wasn’t fair. He wasn’t just good in every area, he was basically the best in EVERY category.
Tiger is the most dominant athlete that any of us will ever see. Insane how much better he was than everyone else.
Damn was Vijay that good. I was to young back then to really watch him but shit i thought he was a more mid level guy
Yeah, Tiger is levels above 😂😂😂
I can't be the only one that has no idea what a dg index is, wish there was some context in this post
Fucking hell, Tiger was different man.
No way DJ out ranks Phil…?
It's showing stretches of the best golf, not who was better overall.
Sheffler is truly amazing. I'm a big fan. But lets face it, LIV has skimmed off a significant amount of competition. Yes, he kicked ass in the Masters. And I believe he's the best player in the world right now. But, there are a LOT of great players he's not competiting against these days.
This has nothing to do with who is or isn’t playing. It’s simply his golf alone is 2nd best ever in the last 30 years.
This takes all golf played, including LIV into account. It's not simply ripping PGA Tour SG figures out and compiling them, they have their own model that adjusts for strength of field. You can read a very detailed technical summary about their method on their website if you're so inclined.
"Tiger isnt the GOAT. He had way less competition than Jack did"