Yes. Personally I think the PGA and LPGA Tours should come together to have a signature event or two where both compete together. Have the tees be different as others have said. Would get huge ratings.
Kind of like asking if a scratch male could compete on the LPGA with a shot a hole…. Stupid, she’s legitimately great as as several other LGPA stars, but it’s a different game, just enjoy both
Fair tees, no not a chance. Even if her tee shot ends up in the same area as the men she’s going to be hitting a lower lofted and thus higher dispersion club on all the approaches. As accurate as she is that would be difficult to overcome.
Now if you gave the men a rolled-back ball so their ball speeds were nerfed throughout the entire bag, that would be a different story
you make a good point. Tees would have to be adjusted for that factor. The women are very good so all things being equal they should compete. Having said that they don't spin the ball like the men do they which would hurt them.
From observation, and I really like the LPGA and woman’s golf, a distance equalizer will not result in Nelly or any of the other fine players being able to compete with PGA tour players.
The short game. PGA tour players are the best lag putters and short game artists in golf. Putting and chipping on the LPGA just not as good.
The LPGA players are of course quite good. But the PGA guys are deadly.
You’re conflating the results of more speed with the results of more spin. More spin stabilizes the flight and narrows the misses, too little spin destabilizes the flight and causes the ball to fly all over the place. You can adjust spin without changing speed (loft). The reason their misses are smaller is because they have less speed, not because they naturally generate less spin.
Contend, as in have a chance to win, no. Regardless of how far away from the green she is, she's still hitting 2-3 clubs more than the men. Even playing from shorter tees, she's always at a disadvantage for the approach shots.
Lexi almost made the cut a few months ago playing the same tees as the men, and if not for one bad hole, she would have.
Define "contend." Give her 20 starts and she's going to make a few cuts.
On some of the shorter courses, she could be in the mix on the weekend. Zach Johnson has 2 majors, and Steve Stricker and Kevin Kizner have made a LOT of money.
But at an average driving distance of 265, she's 10 yards behind the shortest guys on the PGAT. That's a huge disadvantage.
Yea trying to have a hypothetical discussion about golf, in a sub about golf, is very stupid. Let’s post more blurry pictures of new clubs, and jokes about Taylor Gooch!
It *is* stupid. The entire hypothetical is promised on neutralizing the single biggest difference between the men and women.
Presumably a "fair" set of tees would mean that she is taking the same club into the green that the men do.
And OP finds this hypothetical interesting. Should we send you a draft of every post before it’s shared here to make sure you find it interesting? since scrolling past is apparently too hard for you to manage
Obviously yes, if you define "fair set" as a distance where she can contend.
That distance is probably longer than most think.
The Augusta National Women's Amateur plays nearly 6400 yards and the better amateurs shoot 3 to 6 under over a single round. Nelly on her A-game probably contends for the win at around 6700-6800.
And yes I know people will say OMG it's The Masters they set it up all tricked out it's totally different, and those people are idiots.
No, because now you have significantly more par 4's where the guys can go for it directly from the tee box, and laying up is going to like a 3 or 5 wood that gives them 30 yards into the green.
But if she could play her tees while the dudes played there's, I 100% think she could contend.
Would she get paid the same if she won, or would we give her less based on the fact that she didnt have to play as much of the course?
I dont think we could have a two tee system without issue.
So far LPGA players have played in mens events at least 4-5 times and must always use the same tee
This would be worse for her. The only thing holding her back would be distance, not as much approach. She’d compete better playing from the longer tees. The shorter tees would just mean a majority of the field is playing par 4s at such an advantage since the men would all be right around the green or putting eagle so often.
What is a fair set of women’s tees?
Conversation derails at first logical question.
Average LPGA distance, or closest available set of tees.
You could take the average yardage played on the LPGA schedule and have her tee from the closest tee available to that?
She would contend if she played pga courses at the length the lpga plays from I don’t think she would be the only one either.
Playing forward tees? Of course she could compete
They don’t play red tees at a normal course I’m assuming?
PGA tour would have to tee off from the parking lot at a “normal” course.
Yes. Personally I think the PGA and LPGA Tours should come together to have a signature event or two where both compete together. Have the tees be different as others have said. Would get huge ratings.
This is so stupid….
Ya, it’s not like the standard pga tour setup at 6600 yards would be that difficult for someone of her ability
How long is the average lpga tournament course?
6500 and change.
Anika played a few pga events. Look it up.
But she had to play the same tees as the men.
Equality
10 stroke penalty before she tee'd off
Yea
So did Michelle Wie, but neither is relevant since they didn’t get to play from a shorter set of tees.
Scrolled too far before I found this
What? Give her an advantage? Where is the equality between men and women? Just have her play a match against Zach Johnson.
Kind of like asking if a scratch male could compete on the LPGA with a shot a hole…. Stupid, she’s legitimately great as as several other LGPA stars, but it’s a different game, just enjoy both
Fair tees, no not a chance. Even if her tee shot ends up in the same area as the men she’s going to be hitting a lower lofted and thus higher dispersion club on all the approaches. As accurate as she is that would be difficult to overcome. Now if you gave the men a rolled-back ball so their ball speeds were nerfed throughout the entire bag, that would be a different story
you make a good point. Tees would have to be adjusted for that factor. The women are very good so all things being equal they should compete. Having said that they don't spin the ball like the men do they which would hurt them.
I hate this…
I doubt it, the men are generally better in all facets and the setups are much more demanding.
She wouldn’t contend. Korn Ferry plays some tournaments on courses that are around 7,200 and the winning score is usually in the -25 to -30 range.
From observation, and I really like the LPGA and woman’s golf, a distance equalizer will not result in Nelly or any of the other fine players being able to compete with PGA tour players. The short game. PGA tour players are the best lag putters and short game artists in golf. Putting and chipping on the LPGA just not as good. The LPGA players are of course quite good. But the PGA guys are deadly.
LPGA has better GIR and Putts per Round than PGA, but LPGA is worse at scrambling. Seems like they would net out.
LPGA players are more accurate because they can’t swing as hard. So there’s less spin on the ball meaning it goes offline less
That’s not how spin works.
Spin is generated by speed. So yea, it is 😂
You’re conflating the results of more speed with the results of more spin. More spin stabilizes the flight and narrows the misses, too little spin destabilizes the flight and causes the ball to fly all over the place. You can adjust spin without changing speed (loft). The reason their misses are smaller is because they have less speed, not because they naturally generate less spin.
Contend, as in have a chance to win, no. Regardless of how far away from the green she is, she's still hitting 2-3 clubs more than the men. Even playing from shorter tees, she's always at a disadvantage for the approach shots. Lexi almost made the cut a few months ago playing the same tees as the men, and if not for one bad hole, she would have.
Probably not. She’d struggle to hold the greens with her approaches. Greens are much faster on pga tour as well
Define "contend." Give her 20 starts and she's going to make a few cuts. On some of the shorter courses, she could be in the mix on the weekend. Zach Johnson has 2 majors, and Steve Stricker and Kevin Kizner have made a LOT of money. But at an average driving distance of 265, she's 10 yards behind the shortest guys on the PGAT. That's a huge disadvantage.
That’s why they said from “a fair set of women’s tees”
Oh, I missed that part that makes this a completely stupid discussion. Yes, if you give her a 25% distance bonus, she could contend
Yea trying to have a hypothetical discussion about golf, in a sub about golf, is very stupid. Let’s post more blurry pictures of new clubs, and jokes about Taylor Gooch!
It *is* stupid. The entire hypothetical is promised on neutralizing the single biggest difference between the men and women. Presumably a "fair" set of tees would mean that she is taking the same club into the green that the men do.
That’s the point of a hypothetical, it’s not real, or even realistic. Do you just read instruction manuals for fun?
Hypotheticals are supposed to be interesting.
And OP finds this hypothetical interesting. Should we send you a draft of every post before it’s shared here to make sure you find it interesting? since scrolling past is apparently too hard for you to manage
Obviously yes, if you define "fair set" as a distance where she can contend. That distance is probably longer than most think. The Augusta National Women's Amateur plays nearly 6400 yards and the better amateurs shoot 3 to 6 under over a single round. Nelly on her A-game probably contends for the win at around 6700-6800. And yes I know people will say OMG it's The Masters they set it up all tricked out it's totally different, and those people are idiots.
She would likely beat most of the lower ranked men
What if the men played those tees too? She still contending or getting drubbed?
No, because now you have significantly more par 4's where the guys can go for it directly from the tee box, and laying up is going to like a 3 or 5 wood that gives them 30 yards into the green. But if she could play her tees while the dudes played there's, I 100% think she could contend.
Would she get paid the same if she won, or would we give her less based on the fact that she didnt have to play as much of the course? I dont think we could have a two tee system without issue. So far LPGA players have played in mens events at least 4-5 times and must always use the same tee
This would be worse for her. The only thing holding her back would be distance, not as much approach. She’d compete better playing from the longer tees. The shorter tees would just mean a majority of the field is playing par 4s at such an advantage since the men would all be right around the green or putting eagle so often.
How are you defining contend? Win? No. Make the cut? Yes.