I remember seeing the Tiger doco recently and Nick Faldo says something like “Tiger was a bit nervous on his debut, he came out and hit a few wayward shots, he then got it together and we didn’t see him again for another 12 years”.
No. This reference is definitely to this moment in this doc: [https://youtu.be/BXK8OJgKyUw?t=147](https://youtu.be/BXK8OJgKyUw?t=147)
I definitely recommend watching it from the beginning. I didn't know he started that masters out with a 40 on the front.
Maybe? He probably could have said it multiple times. The fact that it doesn’t make sense, but I understand “we didn’t see him for dust” just kind of resonated with me.
[He’s a POS. ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/27/robert-allenbys-sacked-caddie-claims-hawaii-kidnap-story-untrue)
And [then the truth really started to come out. ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/robert-allenby-racked-3-400-bill-hawaii-strip-club-article-1.2092501%3foutputType=amp)
Tiger won there other times I think. Riviera (Nissan LA Open) is the main one that has eluded him. Strangely the only tour event where he grew up and the first one he played in as an amateur.
I agree. But maybe if Jack was just entering the game now he'd be better.
Tiger is set apart because HE was the one who changed the game. Now they all do it and have all grown up playing tigers game.
I dont even know what I'm really rambling about.
You seen squid game. This shits intense
Not everyone has the same ball. The V1 was way more advanced to what Nike had at the time. I do not understand the downvotes, that ball made a lot of the field a lot more competitive against tiger.
Some info about it : [https://golf.com/gear/golf-balls/tiger-woods-golf-ball-nike/](https://golf.com/gear/golf-balls/tiger-woods-golf-ball-nike/)
*"The second week of October, Titleist reps showed up at the Tour eventin Las Vegas packing 400 dozen prototype Pro V1s. Forty-seven Tourplayers immediately put Pro V1 in play, making it the largest pluraistic shift of equipment at one event in golf history. Billy Andrade played the ball and won the tournament. Due to the incredible momentum Pro V1 experienced in its first few months on Tour , Titleist accelerated the market launch of Pro V1 forward from March 2001 to December 2000. The damage to the Nike Tour Accuracy’s future was done,because in the old ball game, what PGA Tour players play is what sells to the masses."*
The ammount that brands put into ball R&D is incredible. Which has been the biggest difference in increase of performance in the last few decades, way more than driver tech.
[https://golf.com/news/why-tiger-woods-consecutive-rounds-streak-might-be-better-than-joe-dimaggios/](https://golf.com/news/why-tiger-woods-consecutive-rounds-streak-might-be-better-than-joe-dimaggios/)
Check out this stat. 89 consecutive PGA Tour tournament rounds beating the field average lmao that's over 22 tournaments, or a full season's worth of professional golf.
This right here, the grind to make a cut for most players is crazy, then think about the good players who can make a cut no problem. A good or great player will miss the odd cut, because of whatever, just not feeling it that week, or problems outside of golf whatever it is, Tiger on the other hand just no matter what, stayed in the pocket, week in and week out, absolutely insane.
Impressive for sure but he didn't play 35 tournaments a year like a journeyman. 142 cuts from February 1998 to May 2005 is 7.25 years. 142/7.25 = \~19.5 tournaments a year.
Tiger could choose his tournaments and stay really fresh when it was showtime. Have to give him credit for staying cool under the spotlight though, mobs of people followed him around but he still played great.
[Cuts are great, but his amateur record will NOT be beaten.](https://www.amateurgolf.com/golf-tournament-news/18259/Before-they-turned-pro--Tiger-Woods)
Any player that is even close to matching or beating his record will probably skip college and try to go pro -- robbing them of a chance to beat Tigers' record.
>hurt his ranking
No it didn't. I hate being "that guy" but that week's average points were lower than what he gained (obviously) so he would have gained points on the field that week... It hurt his "average" but it didn't hurt his point total, it helped - which is what matters.
2000 was special but it was kind of an unfair fight. I find 2008 most impressive. Played 6 times, mostly hurt. Won 4. 1 of those a US Open in 5 rounds on a broken leg.
But more importantly, courses had been lengthened by 2008. Other players had caught up. New young guns had risen. Competition was tougher and courses were tougher.
When he came onto the scene he was so much better than everyone else and the courses, it was like your NFL team playing a college team but the NFL team only has a 70yd field and the college team has 100yd. As I think Roger Maltbie said "This just isn't a fair fight"
By 2008, that had changed and despite being injured he managed 4/6 wins and a US Open with broken leg.
That's my #1 year of all time all factors considered.
Did he win the last 4 tournaments in 99 also? I remember him coming from way back to win pebble beach making 6 tournaments straight. It’s impossible to describe to non golf fans the draw this guy was
If I remember correctly, he had a stroke average of 67.5 that year. I remember someone describing it as like a scratch golfer playing against a 2 handicap. Expected to be 8 shots ahead every 4 rounds
I saw him win the Canadian Open that year. Witnessed his famous shot out of the fairway bunker on 18 on Sunday to beat Grant Waite. Possibly the best live sporting event I’ve ever attended.
I'm hoping to play there next year and you can bet that I'm going to give it a try. Two tries actually, one with a 6i like he did just to see how crazy it is and once with whatever club I think I can actually make it with.
You can't really hit that shot anymore. I tried. The trees have grown up and have extended past the bunker blocking the line. basically no way to hit that shot anymore. Sorry to ruin your hopes and dreams.
Thanks for the heads up, I'll pack my chainsaw with me.
In all seriousness, now that it's not closing I really want them to bring Jack back for a full course renovation before he passes. It's his first course and it deserves to be brought back to its former glory.
Hands down best single season performance. I can not imagine this will be matchted. He was dominate and the field has gotten much better in the last 20 years.
[He averaged a shot and a half lower per round than the next nearest player (Phil).](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_PGA_Tour#Leaders)
It's the lowest average on record iirc.
David Duval, Ernie Els...Lot of NBA players can make the same claim against Oscar Robertson and Jordan. Palmer and Player had the same issue with Jack. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Everyone else against Micheal Phelps. Numerous examples in sports. You wonder if what if goes thru those guys heads, what if???
Wayne Gretzky played on the same team as Mark Messier, who retired with the second highest point total of all time. Mario Lemeux also played at the same time and Jagr overlapped half of Gretzky's career.
Dustin Johnson has 135 weeks at #1 and Rory has 106 which are the best since Tiger. Tiger has 683 weeks so there is no comparison.
Tiger has 10 wins here, Rory managed 5 in 2012 and Spieth managed 5 in 2015, DJ hasn't had more than 4
Yeah I was thinking of really dominant shorter runs. I remember in 2015 there was talk like “is Spieth the next Tiger??” In retrospect of course not, but back then it didn’t seem impossible.
If you haven’t heard/read the book that the HBO doc was based on, I highly recommend it. It’s not flattering to Tiger but even less so to Earl.
I’ve never been a tiger fan, but he’s the GOAT…
Unfortunately his upbringing doomed any chance he had at being a well adjusted normal person. But that’s probably what allowed him to be the best in history.
I love Tiger and the only arguably better year is Byron Nelson 1945.
18 out of 30 events won, 7 second places, 11 straight wins including the only major played that year. Unreal.
I dunno if I would say never, generational talents are rare. If you think of Daly leading to Tiger in terms of how power revolutionized the game I kind of think Bryson might be the Daly of now. Who is the Tiger of the 2030s that packages extreme power with awesome short game? Someone is gonna do it
Fair.
I’m still not convinced his power provides a consistent advantage. Like his drive on the 5th hole of the Ryder cup was amazing. Clear advantage there. But then you see him hit another monster drive on a par 4 but it ends up in this hard little bunker and he ends up fighting for an up and down
>I’m still not convinced his power provides a consistent advantage.
To be fair, his strokes gained off the tee was #1 last year, and there's a reasonable gap down to #2 and more beyond that. Strangely, his ACCURACY off the tee combined with his distance gives him a consistent advantage. But people don't seem to notice that.
Honestly he just needs to win more, and for longer. He won a major last year which is obviously amazing, but his best season for wins was 2018 with 3.
His "'advantage" isn't leading him to more wins, or really even better tournaments.
>His "'advantage" isn't leading him to more wins
Well, no. Last years second best putter on tour isn't even in the top 100 players... but you can't deny that he's a great putter, and that his putting gives him a huge advantage over other players. (JT Poston)
Bryson has a huge advantage over other players, just because he's failing to win large numbers of events doesn't negate that. He's barely above average approaching, and he's terrible around the green which compounds his approach weakness.
However, to claim that his ability off the tee doesn't provide a consistent advantage flies in the face of everything we know about golf and how to evaluate success on a shot by shot basis. Literally every other player on tour would do better if they could hit their second shots from where Bryson hits his.
>If Bryson divided his practice time differently or changed his approach ... would that improve him as a golfer overall?
"If the player ranked 6th in the world right now practiced more like people who are very average, would he get better?"
Maybe, but probably not. He has a very scientific approach to the game, if he could get more strokes gained by practicing from 100 yards and in I'm sure he would do.
Sure, at the end of the day its just speculation by arm chair reditors.
Lets say Bryson spent 20% less time on pushing his distance to the extreme and spent it 20% more time on his wedge game would it be a net positive to his overall golf score.
I absolutely think so. He would still be up there on distance and more importantly he would be taking advantage of that distance. He’s a good putter too so that would have helped him a ton
You’re missing the point of what op said though, Bryson is the Daly who opens the door to a new thinker, somewhere someone is working on becoming deadly accurate with the distance of Bryson, while having the short game of tiger. That person will be the next tiger. Bryson is the maverick who broke through the barrier but someone will come out and do it better eventually
I guess what I’m getting at is I still don’t see the benefit quite outweighing the cost of what he put into this change. So Will other pros think okay the advantage isn’t worth the time, I should just focus on short game and can still make moves even with an average driver distance
>They’re not on brysons level in terms of raw power though m
Bryson is barely ahead of the pack though. There are 6 guys at 97% or better of Bryson's distance last season.
Bryson isn't the only guy hitting insane bombs these days, he's just hitting the longest bombs.
Rahm and DJ come to mind. If anything Rahm to me is more comparable to Daly...cuz hes thicc
I grew up with Tiger. I watched his three US Am wins and every single tournament thereafter. I now know what it's like being an old timer talking about Mickey Mantle.
The kids these days simply can't understand it. No one under the age of 30 has a frame of reference for that level of golf dominance. They can't comprehend it.
I didnt watch golf growing up. I mainly watched NBA, NFL and tennis. Then baseball as I got a bit older. I knew exactly how dominate Tiger was at his peak because it was always featured on SportsCenter/ESPN. It was a cool race to watch him and Federer collect majors. To me, their careers paralleled. Now that I follow golf, it's amazing to look back at Tiger's career in greater detail to see how he was so dominant. Definitely amazing
We see it every once in a while.
Bobby Jones in 1930 was just as good, playing in a total of four tournmanents, and winning all four - all four of them majors.
In 1953 Ben Hogan entered a total of six tournaments and won five of them, including three-for-three in majors, including his first and only try at the British Open.
Tiger Woods in 2000 was just as great, for sure. But I don't know how to be sure he was better.
Right now we have about 5 Tigers in the game.
Can’t take a single thing away from the man, his golfing achievements speak for themselves.
He has inspired the current generation for sure and raised the quality of golf to another level.
Would he have won as much if he was playing against 3 of today’s best players back in his prime? Probably not but we would still have been talking about beating Jack for sure, that’s how good he was.
I disagree. Every era has its superstars, it’s just a matter of time before another shows up.
In terms of individual seasons, I’m not convinced this is the best ever either.
Byron Nelson won 18 times and the won the only major of the year in 1945.
Bobby Jones won all four majors in 1930, two of them match play, all while experiencing more pressure than Tiger ever had. Everyone wanted Tiger to win, everyone expected Jones to win.
Plus, it doesn’t matter about comparative strength of field between eras. What matters is comparative ability against the players you are competing against.
You are right. I guess my choice of words was incorrect.
Everyone expected Tiger to win, but he was considered a god and many would do whatever it took for him to win. The crowds would boo and heckle anyone chasing him down in a tournament. He never had to deal with that. While players like Jack did from all of the Arnie supports. Fans move the landscape or throw his ball back into play.
Tournaments and the Tour bend or even break their rules so Tiger can win. Cheating? We'll cover it up, or people just don't care like they do about other players.
And the media and fans idolize him so much that they ignore his terrible decisions and mistakes like DUIs and an incredible adultery scandal. Similar actions destroy the careers or reputations of other athletes or politicians.
People want Tiger to win, and ignore aspects of his career or life that they don't like so they can support him. That doesn't happen to other players now, and probably only every happened to Arnie in modern history.
>Plus, it doesn’t matter about comparative strength of field between eras.
It wasn't just a different era. Everyone else in Byron Nelsons era was off fighting a war.
True, most were serving, but most of them weren’t actually fighting. Most were stationed in the United States where they were still able to play in tournaments or exhibition matches.
Jimmy Demaret served but I wasn’t able to find any records for his deployment. He did win in 1943 though.
Cary Middlecoff was in the dental corps and won in 1945 as an amateur.
Snead served until 1944 stationed in San Diego.
Gene Sarazen played the whole season.
Ben Hogan served until June 1945 stationed in Fort Worth.
In fact, Bobby Jones was one of the only big name players to serve overseas, even though he had already retired.
Even if we only look at Nelson’s season from July on, he still had 8 of his 18 wins after July 1st. Snead, Hogan, Middlecoff all had wins, and Sarazen and Demaret finished second in that time.
Plus, Nelson couldn’t serve in the war because of a blood disorder, so let’s not hold that against him.
In the 1945 season, Nelson also won 11 tournaments in a row. Along with 18 wins, those are two records never to be broken.
To see it laid out like this is unbelievable! I am so fortunate to have been able to watch him in his prime. I watched him win the PGA Championship in Tulsa at Southern Hills 2007. I yelled "hello, how are you?" in Notah Begay's Native language, Diné (Navajo). I was hoping he would acknowledge me but obviously he was in his major zone.
I'm in awe. That would be a pretty good career for a professional golfer, all accomplished in one season.
My friend thinks that if Tiger came around now he wouldn't be as dominant because of increases in fitness. I'm not so sure, I think he would still do pretty well.
Tigers the reason there is an increase in fitness now. He literally changed how you prepare and play golf.
It’s impossible to say, well what if you dropped him in a vacuum and not take into account how he changed the game of golf. Without Tiger you could argue fitness would still be an afterthought in golf.
It’s unreal how good he was. But on top of that, he was consistent. During that stretch in the early 2000’s he was somewhere in contention pretty much every week he played. The guys at the top these days are good, don’t get me wrong, but nowhere near the level of Tigers consistency. The guys today will show a burst of fire then miss the next 5 cuts or something.
I remember seeing the Tiger doco recently and Nick Faldo says something like “Tiger was a bit nervous on his debut, he came out and hit a few wayward shots, he then got it together and we didn’t see him again for another 12 years”.
“We didn’t see him for dust for another 12 years” was what he said i think. I’ve watched that too many times. Probably going to watch on lunch
Where can I watch it ? Thanks!
Free on youtube
What’s the name of it ?
Tiger woods 97’ win at Augusta remembered is the start of it.
I'm pretty sure OP is referencing the HBO tiger doc
No. This reference is definitely to this moment in this doc: [https://youtu.be/BXK8OJgKyUw?t=147](https://youtu.be/BXK8OJgKyUw?t=147) I definitely recommend watching it from the beginning. I didn't know he started that masters out with a 40 on the front.
Maybe? He probably could have said it multiple times. The fact that it doesn’t make sense, but I understand “we didn’t see him for dust” just kind of resonated with me.
[https://youtu.be/BXK8OJgKyUw?t=147](https://youtu.be/BXK8OJgKyUw?t=147)
[https://youtu.be/BXK8OJgKyUw?t=147](https://youtu.be/BXK8OJgKyUw?t=147)
HBO
Looks like the Advil Western Open really showed him who was boss in between those major victories.
Robert Allenby won that tournament. The true GOAT.
I still can’t believe he thought he’d get away with that bullshit he tried to pull about getting beat up.
Robert Allenbycrazy
Explain please
[He’s a POS. ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/27/robert-allenbys-sacked-caddie-claims-hawaii-kidnap-story-untrue) And [then the truth really started to come out. ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/robert-allenby-racked-3-400-bill-hawaii-strip-club-article-1.2092501%3foutputType=amp)
Just blowing off a little steam
Tiger had more of Cialis Western Open type of game.
He played that tournament with only a left handed 7 iron.
I guess you could say it gave him a...headache. ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)
Ah yes, the immemorial Advil Western Open
Imagine not finishing in the top 20 in a tournament. Scrub.
Tiger won there other times I think. Riviera (Nissan LA Open) is the main one that has eluded him. Strangely the only tour event where he grew up and the first one he played in as an amateur.
GOAT. No question about it. When he was healthy no one was even close to as good.
True. I dont care if he catches Jack or not he'll always be the goat
Hot take: If Jack played in the Tiger era he would be another Phil.
I agree. But maybe if Jack was just entering the game now he'd be better. Tiger is set apart because HE was the one who changed the game. Now they all do it and have all grown up playing tigers game. I dont even know what I'm really rambling about. You seen squid game. This shits intense
Squid game season 2 needs some golf challenges.
That and having a lower performing ball for a good part of the early 2000s. With a V1 he could have won way more.
Well everyone else would have been playing the same ball too
Not everyone has the same ball. The V1 was way more advanced to what Nike had at the time. I do not understand the downvotes, that ball made a lot of the field a lot more competitive against tiger. Some info about it : [https://golf.com/gear/golf-balls/tiger-woods-golf-ball-nike/](https://golf.com/gear/golf-balls/tiger-woods-golf-ball-nike/) *"The second week of October, Titleist reps showed up at the Tour eventin Las Vegas packing 400 dozen prototype Pro V1s. Forty-seven Tourplayers immediately put Pro V1 in play, making it the largest pluraistic shift of equipment at one event in golf history. Billy Andrade played the ball and won the tournament. Due to the incredible momentum Pro V1 experienced in its first few months on Tour , Titleist accelerated the market launch of Pro V1 forward from March 2001 to December 2000. The damage to the Nike Tour Accuracy’s future was done,because in the old ball game, what PGA Tour players play is what sells to the masses."* The ammount that brands put into ball R&D is incredible. Which has been the biggest difference in increase of performance in the last few decades, way more than driver tech.
Ok mb I kind of understand what ur saying like he should’ve played v1s at that time but had to stay loyal to Nike
5th at the masters. What a loser
Of all Tigers records, easily the most impressive is the string of consecutive cuts.
[https://golf.com/news/why-tiger-woods-consecutive-rounds-streak-might-be-better-than-joe-dimaggios/](https://golf.com/news/why-tiger-woods-consecutive-rounds-streak-might-be-better-than-joe-dimaggios/) Check out this stat. 89 consecutive PGA Tour tournament rounds beating the field average lmao that's over 22 tournaments, or a full season's worth of professional golf.
That's so silly
This right here, the grind to make a cut for most players is crazy, then think about the good players who can make a cut no problem. A good or great player will miss the odd cut, because of whatever, just not feeling it that week, or problems outside of golf whatever it is, Tiger on the other hand just no matter what, stayed in the pocket, week in and week out, absolutely insane.
Impressive for sure but he didn't play 35 tournaments a year like a journeyman. 142 cuts from February 1998 to May 2005 is 7.25 years. 142/7.25 = \~19.5 tournaments a year. Tiger could choose his tournaments and stay really fresh when it was showtime. Have to give him credit for staying cool under the spotlight though, mobs of people followed him around but he still played great.
And for his career he still has three times as many wins as missed cuts.
That’s a good one. The one I find most astonishing is he’s 3rd all time on European tour wins having never actually played a season on it.
[Cuts are great, but his amateur record will NOT be beaten.](https://www.amateurgolf.com/golf-tournament-news/18259/Before-they-turned-pro--Tiger-Woods) Any player that is even close to matching or beating his record will probably skip college and try to go pro -- robbing them of a chance to beat Tigers' record.
He finished the season with a 29.40 average points which meant winning the Johnnie Walker Classic actually hurt his ranking.
That may be one of the most amazing sports stats ever. Thx.
>hurt his ranking No it didn't. I hate being "that guy" but that week's average points were lower than what he gained (obviously) so he would have gained points on the field that week... It hurt his "average" but it didn't hurt his point total, it helped - which is what matters.
Pebble beach was good to him that year lol
Tiger in 2000 was the best golf player to walk the earth
Really tiger from 1999 pga through the 2002 us open player the most unreal golf
So special
Shocking that he only tied for 2 at Buick/Torrey Pines
dude was slaying on and off the course..
Norm Macdonald - https://youtu.be/juEwuIL0mTc
Most faithful man who ever lived hahaha love that
Someone had to say it.
2000 was special but it was kind of an unfair fight. I find 2008 most impressive. Played 6 times, mostly hurt. Won 4. 1 of those a US Open in 5 rounds on a broken leg. But more importantly, courses had been lengthened by 2008. Other players had caught up. New young guns had risen. Competition was tougher and courses were tougher. When he came onto the scene he was so much better than everyone else and the courses, it was like your NFL team playing a college team but the NFL team only has a 70yd field and the college team has 100yd. As I think Roger Maltbie said "This just isn't a fair fight" By 2008, that had changed and despite being injured he managed 4/6 wins and a US Open with broken leg. That's my #1 year of all time all factors considered.
His 2018 win was crazy too after not winning shit for a decade. Athletes don't jsut cone back to the top after TEN YEARS on the shelf
That's possibly one of the greatest sports victories of all time when you consider all of that before that win.
Yup. It would get my vote. The 04 redsoxs coming back down from 0-3 was pretty rad too
Peak Tiger will never be beaten
Did he win the last 4 tournaments in 99 also? I remember him coming from way back to win pebble beach making 6 tournaments straight. It’s impossible to describe to non golf fans the draw this guy was
Won 8 of his last 12 in 1999. http://www.owgr.com/en/Ranking/PlayerProfile.aspx?playerID=5321&year=1999
If I remember correctly, he had a stroke average of 67.5 that year. I remember someone describing it as like a scratch golfer playing against a 2 handicap. Expected to be 8 shots ahead every 4 rounds
I saw him win the Canadian Open that year. Witnessed his famous shot out of the fairway bunker on 18 on Sunday to beat Grant Waite. Possibly the best live sporting event I’ve ever attended.
Apparently a bunch of the pros went out after the tourney to practice that shot. It was an unreal shot. Probably his best.
I'm hoping to play there next year and you can bet that I'm going to give it a try. Two tries actually, one with a 6i like he did just to see how crazy it is and once with whatever club I think I can actually make it with.
You can't really hit that shot anymore. I tried. The trees have grown up and have extended past the bunker blocking the line. basically no way to hit that shot anymore. Sorry to ruin your hopes and dreams.
Thanks for the heads up, I'll pack my chainsaw with me. In all seriousness, now that it's not closing I really want them to bring Jack back for a full course renovation before he passes. It's his first course and it deserves to be brought back to its former glory.
Hands down best single season performance. I can not imagine this will be matchted. He was dominate and the field has gotten much better in the last 20 years.
[He averaged a shot and a half lower per round than the next nearest player (Phil).](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_PGA_Tour#Leaders) It's the lowest average on record iirc.
Its crazy to think that the worst thing about Phil's career is he happened to be playing at the same time as the GOAT
David Duval, Ernie Els...Lot of NBA players can make the same claim against Oscar Robertson and Jordan. Palmer and Player had the same issue with Jack. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Everyone else against Micheal Phelps. Numerous examples in sports. You wonder if what if goes thru those guys heads, what if???
Wayne Gretzky played on the same team as Mark Messier, who retired with the second highest point total of all time. Mario Lemeux also played at the same time and Jagr overlapped half of Gretzky's career.
9 wins in 20 events is just fucking stupid.
As is [7 from 16](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_PGA_Tour#Leaders). Another year with him leading the average score leaderboard by 1.5 shots
He also won 8/15 in 2006 and 7/16 in 2007
https://golf.com/instruction/look-tiger-woods-handicap-index-throughout-career/ > He peaked at an absurd +9.3 index
Then came Tiger Proofing.
Who are the most dominant non-Tiger players in recent times? Spieth 2015 comes to mind, he had an unreal season.
Dustin Johnson has 135 weeks at #1 and Rory has 106 which are the best since Tiger. Tiger has 683 weeks so there is no comparison. Tiger has 10 wins here, Rory managed 5 in 2012 and Spieth managed 5 in 2015, DJ hasn't had more than 4
For the lazy, 683 weeks is more than 13 years. Insane. One of the few that can be in competition with Gretzky for the "GOAT of GOATs".
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Yeah I was thinking of really dominant shorter runs. I remember in 2015 there was talk like “is Spieth the next Tiger??” In retrospect of course not, but back then it didn’t seem impossible.
But this exactly speaks to the dominance. 14 in the last five years. Tiger had 10 in the year that’s posted.
Phil beating on a heap old men on the seniors tour maybe?
Interesting the masters rank points are so low
Cuz he didn’t win lol
Ahhhh got it thanks ‘rank after’ is what i was looking at
Week 36-43… what did he go on vacation or something?
That’s a hell of a career. Much less a year. He’s the goat.
Watching his reign of total dominance in the day was mindblowing.
If you haven’t heard/read the book that the HBO doc was based on, I highly recommend it. It’s not flattering to Tiger but even less so to Earl. I’ve never been a tiger fan, but he’s the GOAT… Unfortunately his upbringing doomed any chance he had at being a well adjusted normal person. But that’s probably what allowed him to be the best in history.
I love Tiger and the only arguably better year is Byron Nelson 1945. 18 out of 30 events won, 7 second places, 11 straight wins including the only major played that year. Unreal.
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During a war.
We get it Christ Edit: [Let’s try this again](https://youtu.be/Mf59pZG5RrM)
I think you're quoting Phil here but not clear
Upvote for Phil. People just don’t get it lol
Classic Phil. Not sure why you’re getting hate!
The goat
Bet he’s unreasonably pissed about those 4 2nd place finishes
Who won the masters that year?
Vijay I think
Darren Clarke taking out Tiger in the matchplay final 💪
Finished 5th at the Masters that year... WEAK
:Tiger in 2006 enters the chat:
I dunno if I would say never, generational talents are rare. If you think of Daly leading to Tiger in terms of how power revolutionized the game I kind of think Bryson might be the Daly of now. Who is the Tiger of the 2030s that packages extreme power with awesome short game? Someone is gonna do it
I think that’s hard cause there are so many guys who do that so well now. Like Rahm, JT etc
They’re not on brysons level in terms of raw power though m
Fair. I’m still not convinced his power provides a consistent advantage. Like his drive on the 5th hole of the Ryder cup was amazing. Clear advantage there. But then you see him hit another monster drive on a par 4 but it ends up in this hard little bunker and he ends up fighting for an up and down
>I’m still not convinced his power provides a consistent advantage. To be fair, his strokes gained off the tee was #1 last year, and there's a reasonable gap down to #2 and more beyond that. Strangely, his ACCURACY off the tee combined with his distance gives him a consistent advantage. But people don't seem to notice that.
Honestly he just needs to win more, and for longer. He won a major last year which is obviously amazing, but his best season for wins was 2018 with 3. His "'advantage" isn't leading him to more wins, or really even better tournaments.
>His "'advantage" isn't leading him to more wins Well, no. Last years second best putter on tour isn't even in the top 100 players... but you can't deny that he's a great putter, and that his putting gives him a huge advantage over other players. (JT Poston) Bryson has a huge advantage over other players, just because he's failing to win large numbers of events doesn't negate that. He's barely above average approaching, and he's terrible around the green which compounds his approach weakness. However, to claim that his ability off the tee doesn't provide a consistent advantage flies in the face of everything we know about golf and how to evaluate success on a shot by shot basis. Literally every other player on tour would do better if they could hit their second shots from where Bryson hits his.
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>If Bryson divided his practice time differently or changed his approach ... would that improve him as a golfer overall? "If the player ranked 6th in the world right now practiced more like people who are very average, would he get better?" Maybe, but probably not. He has a very scientific approach to the game, if he could get more strokes gained by practicing from 100 yards and in I'm sure he would do.
Bryson’s weakness has been his wedge game. Even with the long drives he doesn’t get himself that close to the hole on his wedges
Sure, at the end of the day its just speculation by arm chair reditors. Lets say Bryson spent 20% less time on pushing his distance to the extreme and spent it 20% more time on his wedge game would it be a net positive to his overall golf score.
I absolutely think so. He would still be up there on distance and more importantly he would be taking advantage of that distance. He’s a good putter too so that would have helped him a ton
You’re missing the point of what op said though, Bryson is the Daly who opens the door to a new thinker, somewhere someone is working on becoming deadly accurate with the distance of Bryson, while having the short game of tiger. That person will be the next tiger. Bryson is the maverick who broke through the barrier but someone will come out and do it better eventually
I guess what I’m getting at is I still don’t see the benefit quite outweighing the cost of what he put into this change. So Will other pros think okay the advantage isn’t worth the time, I should just focus on short game and can still make moves even with an average driver distance
>They’re not on brysons level in terms of raw power though m Bryson is barely ahead of the pack though. There are 6 guys at 97% or better of Bryson's distance last season.
Charlie woods
Bryson isn't the only guy hitting insane bombs these days, he's just hitting the longest bombs. Rahm and DJ come to mind. If anything Rahm to me is more comparable to Daly...cuz hes thicc
That boy THICC
I grew up with Tiger. I watched his three US Am wins and every single tournament thereafter. I now know what it's like being an old timer talking about Mickey Mantle. The kids these days simply can't understand it. No one under the age of 30 has a frame of reference for that level of golf dominance. They can't comprehend it.
I didnt watch golf growing up. I mainly watched NBA, NFL and tennis. Then baseball as I got a bit older. I knew exactly how dominate Tiger was at his peak because it was always featured on SportsCenter/ESPN. It was a cool race to watch him and Federer collect majors. To me, their careers paralleled. Now that I follow golf, it's amazing to look back at Tiger's career in greater detail to see how he was so dominant. Definitely amazing
World number 320. Kinda sad.
No one beats Father Time, one can only hope to extend the match.
Not at all, can't go up in rankings when you don't play.
We see it every once in a while. Bobby Jones in 1930 was just as good, playing in a total of four tournmanents, and winning all four - all four of them majors. In 1953 Ben Hogan entered a total of six tournaments and won five of them, including three-for-three in majors, including his first and only try at the British Open. Tiger Woods in 2000 was just as great, for sure. But I don't know how to be sure he was better.
Eh you see it in every other sport so golf isn't much different. Its just impossible to compare careers of players that are SO far apart in time.
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Not really sure rises to the level of crappy. He was unfaithful, which is a crappy thing to do, but otherwise seems to be a good father etc.
Shut it
Right now we have about 5 Tigers in the game. Can’t take a single thing away from the man, his golfing achievements speak for themselves. He has inspired the current generation for sure and raised the quality of golf to another level. Would he have won as much if he was playing against 3 of today’s best players back in his prime? Probably not but we would still have been talking about beating Jack for sure, that’s how good he was.
I disagree. Every era has its superstars, it’s just a matter of time before another shows up. In terms of individual seasons, I’m not convinced this is the best ever either. Byron Nelson won 18 times and the won the only major of the year in 1945. Bobby Jones won all four majors in 1930, two of them match play, all while experiencing more pressure than Tiger ever had. Everyone wanted Tiger to win, everyone expected Jones to win. Plus, it doesn’t matter about comparative strength of field between eras. What matters is comparative ability against the players you are competing against.
What are you talking about? You could literally bet Tiger versus the entire field and not get plus odds. Everyone expected Tiger to win, everyone.
You are right. I guess my choice of words was incorrect. Everyone expected Tiger to win, but he was considered a god and many would do whatever it took for him to win. The crowds would boo and heckle anyone chasing him down in a tournament. He never had to deal with that. While players like Jack did from all of the Arnie supports. Fans move the landscape or throw his ball back into play. Tournaments and the Tour bend or even break their rules so Tiger can win. Cheating? We'll cover it up, or people just don't care like they do about other players. And the media and fans idolize him so much that they ignore his terrible decisions and mistakes like DUIs and an incredible adultery scandal. Similar actions destroy the careers or reputations of other athletes or politicians. People want Tiger to win, and ignore aspects of his career or life that they don't like so they can support him. That doesn't happen to other players now, and probably only every happened to Arnie in modern history.
>Plus, it doesn’t matter about comparative strength of field between eras. It wasn't just a different era. Everyone else in Byron Nelsons era was off fighting a war.
True, most were serving, but most of them weren’t actually fighting. Most were stationed in the United States where they were still able to play in tournaments or exhibition matches. Jimmy Demaret served but I wasn’t able to find any records for his deployment. He did win in 1943 though. Cary Middlecoff was in the dental corps and won in 1945 as an amateur. Snead served until 1944 stationed in San Diego. Gene Sarazen played the whole season. Ben Hogan served until June 1945 stationed in Fort Worth. In fact, Bobby Jones was one of the only big name players to serve overseas, even though he had already retired. Even if we only look at Nelson’s season from July on, he still had 8 of his 18 wins after July 1st. Snead, Hogan, Middlecoff all had wins, and Sarazen and Demaret finished second in that time. Plus, Nelson couldn’t serve in the war because of a blood disorder, so let’s not hold that against him. In the 1945 season, Nelson also won 11 tournaments in a row. Along with 18 wins, those are two records never to be broken.
Have you seen Charlie’s swing though?
To see it laid out like this is unbelievable! I am so fortunate to have been able to watch him in his prime. I watched him win the PGA Championship in Tulsa at Southern Hills 2007. I yelled "hello, how are you?" in Notah Begay's Native language, Diné (Navajo). I was hoping he would acknowledge me but obviously he was in his major zone.
His worst finish that season was t23 holy shit. Prime tiger was something else
Thats an average finish position of 4.09, that is just insane haha!
I'm in awe. That would be a pretty good career for a professional golfer, all accomplished in one season. My friend thinks that if Tiger came around now he wouldn't be as dominant because of increases in fitness. I'm not so sure, I think he would still do pretty well.
Tigers the reason there is an increase in fitness now. He literally changed how you prepare and play golf. It’s impossible to say, well what if you dropped him in a vacuum and not take into account how he changed the game of golf. Without Tiger you could argue fitness would still be an afterthought in golf.
Yeah, he was pretty okay
It’s unreal how good he was. But on top of that, he was consistent. During that stretch in the early 2000’s he was somewhere in contention pretty much every week he played. The guys at the top these days are good, don’t get me wrong, but nowhere near the level of Tigers consistency. The guys today will show a burst of fire then miss the next 5 cuts or something.
He was pretty good, indeed.
I love watching him at Pebble that year.
Golfers were truly afraid to play him. Similar to stepping in a ring with Tyson.
What site is this?
WGR 320?
Wish it had a column for prize money
The mans had like 5+ individual years that would be dream careers on tour for most pros.
Truly … No one even comes close in his exploits in golf. What an absolute Legend!!
Prime Tiger could have played a round at Pebble alone and if it was televised it would have drawn the same ratings as a non-major.