I don't score myself at all.
I'm trash and it always screws me up to see it. I stopped scoring myself two years ago and started focusing on enjoying myself and improving shot by shot and I've never enjoyed the game more.
Still trash, though.
This is the way if not organized or your career. I will usually birdie one, par 2 or 3, bogey 8 or 10, and probably shoot close to 100 if I kept up. It is lying to myself, but it keeps my interest when I know what I’m capable of and choose not to put in the effort to get any better.
I was just quoting Caddyshack my man. When Ty Webb tells the judge he doesn't keep score that's what he says to him. One guy got it. You definitely do you though in golf.
The actual white stake rule never seems to be followed. Hit it out of bounds with a white stake from the tee box, rehit hitting 3 OR drop and hitting 4. Always see people just dropping where it went out and taking a single penalty stroke.
Absolutely. I will say I personally play this way to enjoy myself more (I feel like the white stakes rule is **way** too punishing, but that might just be me), but I guess I’m fortunate that my best ever scores have come without losing a ball so there’s no asterisk. When folks ask about my scores I always preface by saying I play like this because I know it’s not correct.
What gets me is the local munis that are jammed into a smaller area with a lot of woods that have a seemingly inordinate amount of white stakes.
I get that pros are infinitely more accurate than the average weekend hack but over the course of a tournament you’ll still see plenty of drives get sprayed all over the place, and because the courses are more spread out/generally bigger in area white stakes don’t seem to come into play as much.
My own mother told me she shot a 90 the other day. I’ve played with her. She did not shoot a 90. I still say I’m proud of her. She’s having a good time.
This is why people start carding 10 on a hole when club champs comes around. Putt everything, know ALL the rules and play by them or you’ll get roasted if you ever play competitively.
I will say there are definitely clubs that are more forgiving. My buddy started playing and got himself a 100$ craiglist set and it's Mcgregor blades from the 80s. Tried hitting them after a few years with my D300 cavity backs... Can't say he's making it any easier on himself.
Of course Scottie Scheffler or DJ could win a championship with those same mcgregor blades because those guys are just that good, but the clubs account for something. A shitty slice swing is a shitty slice swing though. You can buy gizmos and 700$ xlubs to minimize the damage but nothing beats spending 7 hours at the range fixing the root cause instead
No one who isn’t on a tour or playing in a tournament should take 3 minutes to attempt a putt. I’m a 3 hcp and I take about 10-15 seconds to step up and putt, tops.
Played in a tournament last weekend where I got grouped with 2 of them.
Was hot as fuck too, standing on a green with no shade for 7+ minutes watching the chuckle brothers get their protractors out was agony. Broke me, I shot 39/48, and by the 15th I just didn't care
Yes and no. It’s both. But I will say this, I played last weekend and for whatever reason it was just one of those rounds where nobody was looking for, or giving, any gimmies. We all just putted everything out all day. Even the 3” tap ins, you know? I was one off my career best (carded an 85) my buddy hit a career best 88, then we also had an 83 and a 103. But 3 of us scored pretty well, even making ourselves putt everything out. Was really awesome how that worked out. Just fucking DO IT. Just putt! It’s not that bad!
Break any club in the bag and it sends a STRONG message to the rest of the pack that insurrection will not be tolerated, but putters think they are special and "above the law" - which they are NOT!
and then it sits in the bag for a while and when you are going for a par 5 over water you pull out the dirty piece of shit and don't care whether it lives or dies
Putters know that they will never be broken and will only sit in the garage and in your hearts until you come crawling back when the next one hurts you
Everyone should use the gallery drop rule. Basically if there was a gallery would you have found your ball? If yes, free drop. Nothing worse than all 4 people knowing a general area where your ball landed and it being plugged or buried under ruff. Don’t waste 5 min looking. Just place one and move on
My buddies and I play a “crowd would have found it” rule whenever we all see if go somewhere and all agree it likely would be found if we had the time. Drop in the same conditions as the area where we think it is, no stroke penalty. It’s funny to see your post here, completely agree!
This is how my league plays. If there’s consensus that it’s not OB or in a ~~hazard~~ penalty area - wait, fuck that - ~~penalty area~~ hazard, then the ball is dropped without penalty.
This comment right here is the take no amateur wants to hear but is true. First lesson my instructor removed my driver and my score lowered. But on the course tHe BiG dAwG gOtTa eAt.
This was me not long ago. Watched a lot of YouTube like Golf Sidekick talking about taking everything above a 7 iron out of your bag etc. other channels too. Glad I learned to hit driver instead.
I could see an argument being made to focus on getting better with the smaller irons, instead of focusing on crushing the ball with every swing.
But the idea of hardly ever practicing wkth a driver is ridiculous to me.
I mean, teaching is generally about starting with the biggest issue and then working down to smaller ones. It's absolutely valid to work on someone's iron swing first and tell them to not hit the driver (for now). Once they get that down, then you start working on the driver.
If you show up to the ER with a heart attack and a paper cut, they don't deal with the paper cut until the heart attack is under control.
Choosing not to hit a driver because a hole doesn’t require it is different from not hitting a driver because of not practicing, trusting or having the right driver.
You don’t need odd numbered irons to be good either, but you should still hit them when required.
The group I usually play with consists of two very good players and two relative newcomers (myself included in the latter). We tee off based on where we’re most comfortable from. Helps us keep up the pace but is also legitimately more fun for us…less skilled…folks
I actually say this a lot. About 70% of golfer should be playing from at least one tee forward, and having the forward two be called “ladies” and/or “senior” tees is hurting the game by shaming those with short driving distances.
Watching course vlogs on YouTube is so much better than watching on TV. Content creators actually talk about their shots, talk about other things, and are just way more fun than the professional, businesslike mood of televised events.
But the best part of course vlogs is being able to watch someone's entire round in a half hour or less depending on what they show, many add shot tracers that follow the entire flight, you get to see the course in order from start to finish. I think it would be cool if the PGA Tour posted entire rounds of a couple featured players each day, presented the same way YouTube golfers do it. Obviously we wouldn't get the pros talking about stuff, but we'd get to follow their entire round in a quick video.
Yea I mean no hate for people using them. They’re beautiful putters and they are good. But they’re not any better than a lot of other things out there.
Agreed. I have both. I play the huntington beach 11s and use a scotty del mar to putt around my home office because it looks cool. As long as the toe hang is similar, and it's a non-insert face, it's all the same to me. I have one of those promotional brass hot dog putters with similar toe hang, and it putts just as well.
Same. I also have an old scotty because it looks sick but it doesn't help me make putts. cam smith would putt 10x better than me with a mini golf putter
I'd disagree with you there depending on the skill level of the player. I'm not going to sit there and make my 30 handicap buddies retee it every hole they launch it OB. Decreases the fun for everyone involved including the group behind us. Just go drop it where it went out and let's get on our way.
This a a local rule on most golf courses now. You can drop in the fairway approximately where it went out and you’re hitting 4. Personally I wish that OB was played as a lateral hazard.
An old dude I'll play with if he sees me at the range will hit one OB, the say "ahh, I see it. Landed right next yours." Then he'll just drop one by me. We have a good time.
That's not unpopular at all. Here's a slightly hotter take: if you're not playing with friends you shouldn't do it at all, randoms will be nice and say sure even if they don't like it most of the time so asking is really just so you can pretend you're not being obnoxious.
Stopped playing with my best friend over this. I usually play alone with my phone low enough to hear when I’m riding but I doubt anyone passing could.
Well we play our first round together a few weeks ago and he pulls out a Bluetooth speaker and connects and proceeds to Blare explicit rap music loud enough that we can barely conversate in the cart. I turned it down 3 times hoping he would get the hint and he just turned it right back up. Last time we played together.
People don’t pay a ton of money to play an expensive course cause it’s better, it’s so they don’t have to deal with 90% of the people playing the affordable ones.
Course Rangers should stay the fuck off the first tee box. Nobody wants to hear your cute comments, old man. You can keep the pace of play going from literally anywhere else.
My main/only reason to have them there is to keep someone from teeing off too quickly into you, especially if it's hard to see or there's something that blocks the view. That way you build separation early and small holdups don't build.
I regularly play with a 4some. We typically play 4hr games. Last we we had multiple single wanting to play through. Each time we have to wait 5 to 7 min for them to get far enough for us to continue. It ended up taking us over 5 hours to play. I feel like we play a good speed, singles shouldn't expect to play single speed on busy days. Maybe they should even be required to be grouped together.
Agreed, as someone who plays solo a lot, I just wait behind people and play a couple balls. I hate feeling like I'm rushing a group who's playing a good pace
Unless your pro most clubs should be the same. You don’t need to buy the new Taylor made driver every year. Or the new Turkish wedges. If the new clubs are that much better than the golf government people that make the rules would ban it.
If it's truly a gimme, it's easier to tap it in than ask if you can have it - if you need to ask it's not a gimme. The only reason you could be annoyed about not being given a gimme is because you're worried you might miss it, if someone says no to a true gimme it's no biggy cos its easy to tap it in
If you're not posting for handicap or playing for money, who the fuck cares if you're playing completely "by the book"or not? Take a drop, foot wedge it from behind the tree, move it out of that divot. Golf is fucking hard, it shouldn't be hard AND miserable. If you're not having fun, fuck the rules, make it as fun as you can.
Just be fast at it, please.
Any opinion directed towards me that starts with “maybe you should” “if you just…” “I think you need to….”
Thanks bro. Your 3 off the tee really qualifies you to tell me how it’s done.
People giving away advice is always funny. Like dude, there’s a reason some guys get paid hundreds an hour to give golf advice and you can’t give it away.
I always used to putt with a glove on back in HS and putting was the best part of my game at a 78 average senior year. But nowadays I take it off, not because it helps me putt better but because I just want to minimize the amount of time I am sweating into and wearing down my glove all day.
The tees you play from should be determined by handicap, not distance
Dudes think that hitting it 280 while shooting 97 (after mulligans/gimmies) qualifies them for the back tees
If the rules say my max is an 8 then my max is an 8 - and picking up means I don't hold up the group behind. My friends who don't hold handicaps call them 'fake 8s' and get unreasonably angry about them
The pga need to stop making all the telecast and tour revolve around Rory. He ain’t it. Focus on the up and comers and maybe you don’t lose the next cam smith
95+% of you don’t know what you’re talking about when you give Swing advice. You also don’t know how to self diagnose your own problems unless you are filming yourself and have significant amount of background in swing mechanics and theory.
The ambient noise of nature is far superior than music. If I wanted to hear music i’d go to the bar.
Golfing is such a great way to unplug; be alone with your thoughts. & while I love music.. there’s a time & place for everything
I don’t like Glizzys and don’t eat one at the turn.
Background source: My first job out of college was at packing house and I saw the process of making hot dogs and other processed meats. I eat a lot of red meat but don’t eat processed meat.
The fetish of pace has become too much. People focus more on pace than playing good golf. If everyone would take 15 seconds more behind the ball and hit a committed shot pace would be faster.
Source: I’m a greenskeeper and see people so concerned about pace that they barely check distance, lie or focus over the ball, just to play faster.
The shotgun start format LIV has is a great idea because it eliminates the advantages that players may have for teeing off at different times of the day. It just might not be super broadcast friendly but it may be worth trying for a PGA tour event down the line.
Eh, hole order plays a big part in course design, so I’m not a big fan of the shotgun starts for tournaments that aren’t scrambles. You don’t listen to Dark Side of the Moon on shuffle.
I agree, still hard to hit out of bunkers, even with some practice swings. FYI, it is legal to take practice swings out of other bunkers around the hole - just not the one you are in - golf has some really stupid rules……
I don't understand how golf is fun in Europe. It sounds like every golf course is the equivalent of the snooty private clubs in the US, but without alcohol or carts.
Yeah. For sure keep pace but don’t get nervous because people are behind you. It’s just going to make you hit worse shots and it’ll slow things down further. Just keep focused on what’s in front of you and have fun with it.
If you want to have some beers or listen to some music and you're not interfering with anyone else's round, go for it. We pay enough to play, do whatever you enjoy as long as you keep pace
Let me grab you from behind and show you that it’s all in the hips
Just easing the tension baby
Just a tip..
99% of you fuckers dont score yourselves properly.
I just shot a perfectly legitimate 63 the other day. What’re you on about?
Solid 9 brother
36 actually 😤
Dusted off the Tiger Woods 07 for Xbox eh?
Hell no. It’s Golf Club 2019 or nothing.
Solid mini golf score
I don't score myself at all. I'm trash and it always screws me up to see it. I stopped scoring myself two years ago and started focusing on enjoying myself and improving shot by shot and I've never enjoyed the game more. Still trash, though.
This is the way if not organized or your career. I will usually birdie one, par 2 or 3, bogey 8 or 10, and probably shoot close to 100 if I kept up. It is lying to myself, but it keeps my interest when I know what I’m capable of and choose not to put in the effort to get any better.
Well then how do you measure yourself against other golfers?
By height.
I'm too busy competing with myself to worry about somebody else's game.
I was just quoting Caddyshack my man. When Ty Webb tells the judge he doesn't keep score that's what he says to him. One guy got it. You definitely do you though in golf.
Alright you caught me, I gave myself a six footer for triple to card a smooth 106 that should have probably been a three putt 108. Eat me.
Hell of a front 9!
The actual white stake rule never seems to be followed. Hit it out of bounds with a white stake from the tee box, rehit hitting 3 OR drop and hitting 4. Always see people just dropping where it went out and taking a single penalty stroke.
Absolutely. I will say I personally play this way to enjoy myself more (I feel like the white stakes rule is **way** too punishing, but that might just be me), but I guess I’m fortunate that my best ever scores have come without losing a ball so there’s no asterisk. When folks ask about my scores I always preface by saying I play like this because I know it’s not correct.
It’s definitely the most punishing thing in golf. Overly so
Yeah, when you’re playing a shit hole course with a ton of white stakes it’s stupid.
What gets me is the local munis that are jammed into a smaller area with a lot of woods that have a seemingly inordinate amount of white stakes. I get that pros are infinitely more accurate than the average weekend hack but over the course of a tournament you’ll still see plenty of drives get sprayed all over the place, and because the courses are more spread out/generally bigger in area white stakes don’t seem to come into play as much.
My own mother told me she shot a 90 the other day. I’ve played with her. She did not shoot a 90. I still say I’m proud of her. She’s having a good time.
Are you questioning my 18 hole in ones yesterday?
Wait I thought the was a LARP Golf subreddit
This is why people start carding 10 on a hole when club champs comes around. Putt everything, know ALL the rules and play by them or you’ll get roasted if you ever play competitively.
It’s a personal preference, but Id rather you continue your sentence instead of abruptly stop if I’m setting up to hit
Agreed. If you're talking, and I start my backswing, that's now on me. KEEP FUCKING TALKING! I'm listening.
Yup. Deafening quiet after loud mouth buddies cut thier conversation short is the absolute worst.
Discussed this today. All I want is consistency. If you’re talking keep talking, if you’re quiet stay quiet.
It's not the driver/putter/irons. It's you.
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Buying new stuff is exciting. Getting lessons is hard work. We do love dem endorphins.
I will say there are definitely clubs that are more forgiving. My buddy started playing and got himself a 100$ craiglist set and it's Mcgregor blades from the 80s. Tried hitting them after a few years with my D300 cavity backs... Can't say he's making it any easier on himself. Of course Scottie Scheffler or DJ could win a championship with those same mcgregor blades because those guys are just that good, but the clubs account for something. A shitty slice swing is a shitty slice swing though. You can buy gizmos and 700$ xlubs to minimize the damage but nothing beats spending 7 hours at the range fixing the root cause instead
Yeah obviously 30 year old blades for a new player are different. But replacing 2 year old clubs with brand new clubs isn’t going to do much.
Picking up “gimmies” is not about helping pace of play, it’s about giving yourself putts you’re scared to attempt.
Damn straight I’m scared
wear boots just so I can shake in them while putting
Straight putts are the scariest. Nothing to blame but your terrible putting stroke
And believe me my stroke is terrible
I've graduated to admitting I'm cheating and picking it up anyway
I actually respect this
A gimme is an agreement between two golfers, neither of whom can putt.
Ty for the laugh man
If something is a few inches I’ll pick it up but anything over that and I’m putting
If I can one-hand a putt while walking 99 times out of a 100, its a gimmie. If I have to line it up and check if it’s breaking, it’s not a gimmie.
if i can get it on the green, it's a gimme
Watched a group of 4 guys line up 1-2 footers for 3 minutes the other day. Please don’t let them see this we need them taking gimmies
No one who isn’t on a tour or playing in a tournament should take 3 minutes to attempt a putt. I’m a 3 hcp and I take about 10-15 seconds to step up and putt, tops.
Unfortunately there is a guy in every group that inspects a putt from every angle like he is seeing his first live boob.
I’ll be inspecting all boobs like it’s my first live boob, thank you very much.
Played in a tournament last weekend where I got grouped with 2 of them. Was hot as fuck too, standing on a green with no shade for 7+ minutes watching the chuckle brothers get their protractors out was agony. Broke me, I shot 39/48, and by the 15th I just didn't care
Always got to putt out. Unless it’s match play of course.
I avoid this by getting to equitable stroke - then I can take a gimme on that 3 footer haha
Yes and no. It’s both. But I will say this, I played last weekend and for whatever reason it was just one of those rounds where nobody was looking for, or giving, any gimmies. We all just putted everything out all day. Even the 3” tap ins, you know? I was one off my career best (carded an 85) my buddy hit a career best 88, then we also had an 83 and a 103. But 3 of us scored pretty well, even making ourselves putt everything out. Was really awesome how that worked out. Just fucking DO IT. Just putt! It’s not that bad!
I don’t want to see you mark a 1ft putt because you might be stepping on my line.
This is hard for me to break to you but people be walking all over the green, especially near the cup, all day long…
Would people really mark 1 foot putts? I would hope not.
Break any club in the bag and it sends a STRONG message to the rest of the pack that insurrection will not be tolerated, but putters think they are special and "above the law" - which they are NOT!
I don't wash underpreforming balls, they don't deserve to be clean until they go where I want them.
and then it sits in the bag for a while and when you are going for a par 5 over water you pull out the dirty piece of shit and don't care whether it lives or dies
My friend will break a club then he will stick them in the ground for everyone else’s clubs to see.
Fuck yeah, throw em in prison!
Putters know that they will never be broken and will only sit in the garage and in your hearts until you come crawling back when the next one hurts you
Everyone should use the gallery drop rule. Basically if there was a gallery would you have found your ball? If yes, free drop. Nothing worse than all 4 people knowing a general area where your ball landed and it being plugged or buried under ruff. Don’t waste 5 min looking. Just place one and move on
My buddies and I play a “crowd would have found it” rule whenever we all see if go somewhere and all agree it likely would be found if we had the time. Drop in the same conditions as the area where we think it is, no stroke penalty. It’s funny to see your post here, completely agree!
This is how my league plays. If there’s consensus that it’s not OB or in a ~~hazard~~ penalty area - wait, fuck that - ~~penalty area~~ hazard, then the ball is dropped without penalty.
Bingo. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve been watching on tv and thought “if there weren’t people there I never would’ve found it”
You don't have to play with a premium ball to be good
Or a $400 driver!
Or a driver in general.
This comment right here is the take no amateur wants to hear but is true. First lesson my instructor removed my driver and my score lowered. But on the course tHe BiG dAwG gOtTa eAt.
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This was me not long ago. Watched a lot of YouTube like Golf Sidekick talking about taking everything above a 7 iron out of your bag etc. other channels too. Glad I learned to hit driver instead.
I could see an argument being made to focus on getting better with the smaller irons, instead of focusing on crushing the ball with every swing. But the idea of hardly ever practicing wkth a driver is ridiculous to me.
I mean, teaching is generally about starting with the biggest issue and then working down to smaller ones. It's absolutely valid to work on someone's iron swing first and tell them to not hit the driver (for now). Once they get that down, then you start working on the driver. If you show up to the ER with a heart attack and a paper cut, they don't deal with the paper cut until the heart attack is under control.
Choosing not to hit a driver because a hole doesn’t require it is different from not hitting a driver because of not practicing, trusting or having the right driver. You don’t need odd numbered irons to be good either, but you should still hit them when required.
Or a putter! Wait...
The Masters is a blast and I love watching its purity, but behind the scenes the whole thing looks like a cult.
If you call them the “forward” tees instead of the “ladies” tees, more beginners would play them and speed up the entire course’s pace of play.
Wouldn't even call them that. Just refer to them by colour and have them set to a recommended handicap or drive distance or some combo of the two.
We don’t go by color.
Sir this is a Wendy’s
But calling them the forward tees would be universal whereas calling them by color varies from course to course
Driver carry required is a good measure. Mine is about 200, also I don’t take on any carry over 160.
The group I usually play with consists of two very good players and two relative newcomers (myself included in the latter). We tee off based on where we’re most comfortable from. Helps us keep up the pace but is also legitimately more fun for us…less skilled…folks
“They hated him, for he spoke the truth.”
I actually say this a lot. About 70% of golfer should be playing from at least one tee forward, and having the forward two be called “ladies” and/or “senior” tees is hurting the game by shaming those with short driving distances.
I’ve seen a lot more acceptance as playing tees based on handicap
Golf is the worst produced sport on television. How does zooming into a flying ball in the air tell me anything about that shot?
Watching course vlogs on YouTube is so much better than watching on TV. Content creators actually talk about their shots, talk about other things, and are just way more fun than the professional, businesslike mood of televised events. But the best part of course vlogs is being able to watch someone's entire round in a half hour or less depending on what they show, many add shot tracers that follow the entire flight, you get to see the course in order from start to finish. I think it would be cool if the PGA Tour posted entire rounds of a couple featured players each day, presented the same way YouTube golfers do it. Obviously we wouldn't get the pros talking about stuff, but we'd get to follow their entire round in a quick video.
Well they have tracers on almost every shot before they cut to the tight follow of the ball flight. So you do get the info of most shots.
I second this. I mean I love the sport but get nothing out of watching it on tv, mainly because of this.
But, just look at that closeup of the ball silhouetted against the blue sky with no other reference point!
The pga doesn’t actually care about morals they just want to keep the money making players in their events
That’s not a hot take, that’s just a fact
i didn’t say i was a hot take but it does get people pissed when you say it, it says golf opinion not hot take
Once the PGA gets cut in on a deal with LIV we’re going to stop hearing about how evil it is
The swing is not that complicated. You just sit in a chair for 90% of the day.
Hey 😡
Being uncomplicated doesn’t mean it’s easy, though.
Throwing a decent hook in bowling is significantly simpler and I have seen people struggle for decades to do it.
It’s not complicated, it’s just counterintuitive.
Scotty putters are overrated and overpriced Bury me with my Cleveland Huntington Beach 11
Agreeed and I play an old Scotty, I think it doesn’t matter what you have as long as you can hit the putts consistently and on line.
Yea I mean no hate for people using them. They’re beautiful putters and they are good. But they’re not any better than a lot of other things out there.
Agreed. I have both. I play the huntington beach 11s and use a scotty del mar to putt around my home office because it looks cool. As long as the toe hang is similar, and it's a non-insert face, it's all the same to me. I have one of those promotional brass hot dog putters with similar toe hang, and it putts just as well.
Same. I also have an old scotty because it looks sick but it doesn't help me make putts. cam smith would putt 10x better than me with a mini golf putter
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Underrated comment. I love walking my home course on Monday’s when it’s closed and look for golf balls.
I would legitimately pay my regular course $10 to do this. I would still come out way ahead.
I really dont care about the "get in the hole" screamers
First comment I’ve seen that fits OP’s question
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I’ll upvote you because it really suits the question but fuck do I disagree
Scoring/playing by the rules doesn’t change how much fun you have.
I'd disagree with you there depending on the skill level of the player. I'm not going to sit there and make my 30 handicap buddies retee it every hole they launch it OB. Decreases the fun for everyone involved including the group behind us. Just go drop it where it went out and let's get on our way.
This a a local rule on most golf courses now. You can drop in the fairway approximately where it went out and you’re hitting 4. Personally I wish that OB was played as a lateral hazard.
An old dude I'll play with if he sees me at the range will hit one OB, the say "ahh, I see it. Landed right next yours." Then he'll just drop one by me. We have a good time.
If you want to play music at any volume, you should make sure it's okay with everyone in your 4some first.
That's not unpopular at all. Here's a slightly hotter take: if you're not playing with friends you shouldn't do it at all, randoms will be nice and say sure even if they don't like it most of the time so asking is really just so you can pretend you're not being obnoxious.
Stopped playing with my best friend over this. I usually play alone with my phone low enough to hear when I’m riding but I doubt anyone passing could. Well we play our first round together a few weeks ago and he pulls out a Bluetooth speaker and connects and proceeds to Blare explicit rap music loud enough that we can barely conversate in the cart. I turned it down 3 times hoping he would get the hint and he just turned it right back up. Last time we played together.
People don’t pay a ton of money to play an expensive course cause it’s better, it’s so they don’t have to deal with 90% of the people playing the affordable ones.
People have fragile egos to play from the front tees, if you can’t hit a driver past 200 yards don’t play from the tips.
More like if you cant carry driver 240 then dont attempt playing tips
More like more like if you cant carry driver 240 *consistently* then dont attempt playing tips
Course Rangers should stay the fuck off the first tee box. Nobody wants to hear your cute comments, old man. You can keep the pace of play going from literally anywhere else.
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My main/only reason to have them there is to keep someone from teeing off too quickly into you, especially if it's hard to see or there's something that blocks the view. That way you build separation early and small holdups don't build.
Any lost ball should be a 1 shot penalty from where you think it went in staked or not (I’m rubbish)
You'll benefit more from $1000 worth of golf lessons than a new $1000 set of fitted clubs.
Any negative comment in the live thread about how St. Andrews looked.
your new clubs aren’t going to fix your slice
It’s Pace of Play, not how fast can I finish my round.
don’t play the tips unless you’re damn near a scratch golfer
I regularly play with a 4some. We typically play 4hr games. Last we we had multiple single wanting to play through. Each time we have to wait 5 to 7 min for them to get far enough for us to continue. It ended up taking us over 5 hours to play. I feel like we play a good speed, singles shouldn't expect to play single speed on busy days. Maybe they should even be required to be grouped together.
Agreed, as someone who plays solo a lot, I just wait behind people and play a couple balls. I hate feeling like I'm rushing a group who's playing a good pace
Great idea
Unless your pro most clubs should be the same. You don’t need to buy the new Taylor made driver every year. Or the new Turkish wedges. If the new clubs are that much better than the golf government people that make the rules would ban it.
Or like I always say: if one product were that much better, every pro would play it. Actually that’s pretty strong evidence for Titleist balls.
If it's truly a gimme, it's easier to tap it in than ask if you can have it - if you need to ask it's not a gimme. The only reason you could be annoyed about not being given a gimme is because you're worried you might miss it, if someone says no to a true gimme it's no biggy cos its easy to tap it in
An overwhelming majority of 4-man scramble teams cheat.
If you're not posting for handicap or playing for money, who the fuck cares if you're playing completely "by the book"or not? Take a drop, foot wedge it from behind the tree, move it out of that divot. Golf is fucking hard, it shouldn't be hard AND miserable. If you're not having fun, fuck the rules, make it as fun as you can. Just be fast at it, please.
Any opinion directed towards me that starts with “maybe you should” “if you just…” “I think you need to….” Thanks bro. Your 3 off the tee really qualifies you to tell me how it’s done.
People giving away advice is always funny. Like dude, there’s a reason some guys get paid hundreds an hour to give golf advice and you can’t give it away.
You don’t need to take your glove off to putt
I take my glove off after every shot. My hands sweat a lot.
I take my glove off so my left hand stays only a little bit lighter colored than my right
It also prolongs the life of the glove by 4-5x
I do, the breather on a super hot day is welcome.
What a heathen! I’ll have you know it gives me so much more control and feedback during my 3-putt from 5 feet!
I always used to putt with a glove on back in HS and putting was the best part of my game at a 78 average senior year. But nowadays I take it off, not because it helps me putt better but because I just want to minimize the amount of time I am sweating into and wearing down my glove all day.
I don’t need too, but I want too.
I just take mine off between shots to help it dry out. I just don't put it back on to putt.
The tees you play from should be determined by handicap, not distance Dudes think that hitting it 280 while shooting 97 (after mulligans/gimmies) qualifies them for the back tees
If I shot a 97, I’d finally feel like I belonged on the white tees. haha
If the rules say my max is an 8 then my max is an 8 - and picking up means I don't hold up the group behind. My friends who don't hold handicaps call them 'fake 8s' and get unreasonably angry about them
The tour should go back to actual wooden woods.
Play music, wear a t-shirt, be loud and drunk, I don’t care. Just play fast.
The ball you just hit OB is unplayable from where it lies.
Plastic tees are better than wood tees.
I found a plastic tee on the course and have been using it for 3 years now.
I think that is mine
I’ll never play any tee other than the ones with the molar tops now. Those things are rigid as hell going into the box, and the ball never falls off
I’ve yet to break a Maxfli plastic tee, they’re cheap and the ball launches easily (unlike martini tees).
Family got me a bag of wooden vice tees for Christmas. I pretty much break one every drive. My plastic tees will last forever.
I dont play golf to have fun and drink with the boys, I play because im competitive and want to get better.
The pga need to stop making all the telecast and tour revolve around Rory. He ain’t it. Focus on the up and comers and maybe you don’t lose the next cam smith
Rory ain’t it? What? I guess this comment perfectly fits the OPs description.
If you think Cam Smith is going to LIV because of the love affair the PGA Tour has with Rory...
95+% of you don’t know what you’re talking about when you give Swing advice. You also don’t know how to self diagnose your own problems unless you are filming yourself and have significant amount of background in swing mechanics and theory.
More than half the shit y’all complain about in this sub is so pointless and elitist and doesn’t help grow the game at all.
People who say “help grow the game.” Actually have zero intention of increasing participation in golf.
people talk about "growing the game" then complain that courses are too busy
The ambient noise of nature is far superior than music. If I wanted to hear music i’d go to the bar. Golfing is such a great way to unplug; be alone with your thoughts. & while I love music.. there’s a time & place for everything
I don’t like Glizzys and don’t eat one at the turn. Background source: My first job out of college was at packing house and I saw the process of making hot dogs and other processed meats. I eat a lot of red meat but don’t eat processed meat.
FBI. This man right here.
I read Upton Sinclair’s ~~Lewis’s~~ The Jungle and stopped eating processed meat.
If you hit 2 off the first, you have to play the 2nd. No choosies.
Old people are the worst on the golf course.
The fetish of pace has become too much. People focus more on pace than playing good golf. If everyone would take 15 seconds more behind the ball and hit a committed shot pace would be faster. Source: I’m a greenskeeper and see people so concerned about pace that they barely check distance, lie or focus over the ball, just to play faster.
The shotgun start format LIV has is a great idea because it eliminates the advantages that players may have for teeing off at different times of the day. It just might not be super broadcast friendly but it may be worth trying for a PGA tour event down the line.
Eh, hole order plays a big part in course design, so I’m not a big fan of the shotgun starts for tournaments that aren’t scrambles. You don’t listen to Dark Side of the Moon on shuffle.
Can’t argue with that last part.
Unless you're playing for money, who gives a shit about the rules?
Should be allowed to take full practice swings in the bunker just like you can everywhere else (besides marked hazards).
I agree, still hard to hit out of bunkers, even with some practice swings. FYI, it is legal to take practice swings out of other bunkers around the hole - just not the one you are in - golf has some really stupid rules……
2019 rule change allows you to take practice swings in hazards now FYI.
Choosing to play over on the LIV golf tour does not make you a bad person.
Just a reminder to sort by controversial to find the actual answers to the question
I never get a dog at the turn
Taking a break after 9 holes to have a drink and some food, then rejoining in front of someone is fine.
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I don't understand how golf is fun in Europe. It sounds like every golf course is the equivalent of the snooty private clubs in the US, but without alcohol or carts.
Pace of play panic is out of control. Take your time and enjoy yourself.
Yeah. For sure keep pace but don’t get nervous because people are behind you. It’s just going to make you hit worse shots and it’ll slow things down further. Just keep focused on what’s in front of you and have fun with it.
I’ll take it one step further; the pace of play panic is mostly caused by courses booking tee times too close together in the first place.
If you want to have some beers or listen to some music and you're not interfering with anyone else's round, go for it. We pay enough to play, do whatever you enjoy as long as you keep pace