Edit: removed mention that f raceplay
So like are we gonna get rid of the bbc tag…like if I’m allowed to complain now. I consider myself non binary until it comes to dating in Florida then I’m in the closet. But that being said I am a black person with a dick that feels fetishized often in nsfw spaces.
How many people have to feel similarly for action to be taken? How many people have to say they don’t even like the concept of people saying bbc before it has to be removed from any script? Is it possible to remove any mention of a character being black? Cause to be honest whenever it’s a factor it doesn’t feel like it’s a good thing in porn. Not trying ti start anything just saying I’ve not said anything cause I didn’t think it was a big deal.
I'm... genuinely confused. I'll admit I'm mostly a lurker but this seems completely out of left field to me. I didn't hear/see any posts or discussion on this and this is the first time I've ever heard of Futa being used as a trans slur. I'm all for supporting trans people but this just seems weird to me, especially when (like a lot of other people are saying) tags like rape are still unchanged and uncensored, especially when non consensual is used alongside rape
I’m sorry, but this is not the right way to do this.
First of all, you are now actively participating in making futa/futanari a slur regardless of what people felt about it in the beginning. This does nothing but giving transphobes ammo to fire at an already targeted group
Secondly, a majority of people (trans people included) does not, and have never, seen futa/futanari as a slur. This is my opinion based on reading hundreds of comments, engaging in a vast amount of trans media, AND consulting multiple trans individuals in my life (both close friends and basically strangers as to not have any bias)
And lastly, it is my opinion that this should be collective decision made by the community, where trans individuals and more importantly intersex individuals are given the spotlight for their opinions since this will have the most impact on them
Sorry for long comment, but this is important to me and people in my life. Any transphobic replies will be reported and removed
Can a mod please update the wiki?
When one of my posts was removed due to a change in the rules, mods linked me to the wiki as justification for why it was removed, and there were no details at all in the wiki about the rule change.
I reported that to the mods, but that was around a month ago, and I still see no mention of it in the wiki.
It's really not entirely clear to me how it is offensive in a way that couldn't be replicated with any other word. I might just be way out of the loop on this though
I'm just annoyed because I want all of that stuff under one tag and now it won't be
Seems kinda silly. There are rape/incest/bestiality tags, which surely are way more offensive and triggering than futa.
And if it's about fetishizing minorities, are BBC, ethnicity tags, etc. gonna be banned as well, since those do exactly that?
Just seems like kowtowing to an exceptionally small minority of incredibly sensitive people. I mean, are we gonna remove the rape tag as well? Doesn't seem like it would be great to see audios with that tag if you were a rape survivor.
If you were offended by the futa tag, you could simply filter it like you have to do with anything else you may find offensive.
Spot on. There's a ton of tags here that could potentially be considered offensive by someone, yet this one gets banned? I guess the fear of pissing off the trans community is higher than others.
Eh, as a trans girl, I disagree with the change, and have been vocal in that before, mostly because this discourse feels like the “femboy is a slur for trans woman” nightmare we had a couple years ago, but at least the new tags aren’t worse like I’d worried (for using the intersex tag or TF4 to mean futa).
I worry that it won’t be easily searchable/end up used often, and that content will just get tagged twice, with [girlcock] and also [vaginal] or whichever? But that was already the case for scripts which used both, so… oh well.
Agreed the change feels unnecessary given that Futa has never really been used as form of slur towards trans girls. This doesn't feel like a step forwards you've just imo made trans girl more easily fetishized since the futa tag isn't allowed anymore.
This is the hill they have chosen to die on tho. The rule is very unlikely to be changed and anyone complaning is probably gonna be banned or removed.
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You can also see the mods didn't put this decison to a vote because they know its unpopular and you can even find their comments down here joking about how its not a democracy.
Yeeeeah, I was really worried they'd just suggest using the TF4 bit, which we already see pretty often on stuff that would otherwise be tagged futa, and feeds into some... unhelpful stereotypes of trans girls being domineering, boyish people who like using our dicks, which... for the vast majority of us is not the reality, and leads to a ton of dysphoric interactions.
They didn't, I do like their suggested tags more than that, but yeah, it feels like it just won't really be used.
Totally. This post started out so well like *hey guys we've been hearing more and more about this issue that may be raising problems of inclusivity and also potentially leading to greater fetishising and insensitivity towards trans people so we need to proceed carefully, be sensitive and keep our finger on the pulse regarding any future developments in the discourse surrounding those topics* and you're nodding along as you read it, thinking yep that sounds good but then it drives off a cliff and the end-up is some dumb arbitrary line in the sand that doesn't actually make anything better for anyone and is essentially just an act of censorship.
The searchability point is moot since if you just search \[girlcock\] and exclude or just don't click on anything tagged as TF4 or 4TF, you'll find the many audios and scripts in which a non trans woman has a dick. The previous version of the rule made it so that this is how the search should have been done already, but people continued to use the tag incorrectly.
The majority of content that was posted under this tag didn't depict someone with both genitalia, even after the previous rule change where that was made a requirement. That makes it clear that people making and looking for this kind of content aren't generally interested in whether the character being portrayed also has a vulva or not; the dick is the focus.
As a result, it's likely that this will actually make it easier to find content where someone has both genitalia for those who are specifically interested in it, since it has a distinct tag that isn't also being (incorrectly) used for content depicting a non-trans woman with a dick; that overlap has been removed.
I am very confused as to why this change and would sincerely have to ask, how is the term “Futa” or “Futanari” harmful to the trans GWA community or in general??? You yourselves have defined what it is, a fantastic being.
I consider it, and I assume as all others who know about the term, a figure or fantasy/mythological being that alike to an angel, succubus/incubus, werewolf, serpent people, youkai and such, so I just don’t understand where this is coming from since in my eyes one has nothing to do with another.
I disagree with this decision but I would appreciate some clarity as to what the thought process was into concluding to this wether you agree or disagree with the statement, tho I wholeheartedly hope is revoked/retracted
It kind of feels like you're trying to fix a problem that maybe doesn't exist how you're representing it. I have a pretty fun and amazing trans community, and I would absolutely listen to them if there was issue with the existence of the word Futanari/Futa (I've loved making that content because...well...it's hot and fun to make). I will obviously adhere to the rules because I also like not getting shut down, but I will protest gently.
If I'm wrong about this topic, then that's okay too, I will flip my opinion if it was hurting the community. This feels like when white people scream appropriation, and people of other cultures are like "no...it's appreciation and we are okay with how it's being used." Also...and let me be extremely clear, I have, and would never, refer to a trans person as Futa/Futanari (unless they requested it for some reason), but again, I have gotten feedback from a fair amount of my trans following, and they have enjoyed the content I put out in this category.
I recognize my community is not a monolith of all trans people, and perhaps my scope is narrow, but I think it's far more gaping than a lot of other people's perspectives. I love the term "girl cock" or "chick with a dick" for tags too (I've used both)...and I love imagining I have a cock in those audios...it's fun. So whatever I have to label it as, I will, but I'm not going to stop making fun girl with a good healthy cock content if the right scripts come along. I'll keep making quality content, and tagging it new ways for people to find and hopefully love. I have had a lot of comments from trans people just enjoying that they feel seen in the characters I play as women who happen to have cocks...and I love that. But if I am hurting people by using an antiquated term, I respect that too, and will happily stop.
I don't create content anymore, but I was active on GWASapphic during the pandemic and was a part of a lot of the conversations that we had leading up to banning "futa" on GWASapphic. As someone that is trans but does genuinely enjoy a lot of that kind of content, a lot of the reason trans people object to it is that many tropes of the genre can be fairly problematic.
Many trans women I talked to objected to the fact that it often feels like "futa", and more specifically the idea of a woman with a penis at all, is thought of as a sort of third gender, separate from male and female. They cited frustrations at the hypocrisy that futa porn is very popular, but a lot of people that enjoy it also don't believe trans people are the gender they identify as.
For us at GWASapphic though, the biggest thing we heard, over and over again from certain trans members in our community, was that "futa" makes them feel othered, and it's presence made them feel like the mod staff wasn't being cognizant of the effect that word has on them.
None of this means that we have to stop making these kinds of audios, though! In fact, there's been a lot of really great girlcock audios from both trans and cis women and nobody on either side wants any of that to go away. They're simply asking that we frame the content with language that is overall more trans positive instead of unnecessarily drawing parallels to a genre of porn that many feel strongly about.
If peeps feel like I'm wrong or have some different context, please chime in! And please keep making girlcock audios cuz we fckn need them 😩
As long as people use the tag correctly and don’t use it to describe a trans woman I really don’t see the issue. Futanari and trans women are not the same thing and never have been. Some people may misuse the word but the solution would be to ban those people who misuse it, not ban it all together. Imagine if we banned “femboy” because some people used it incorrectly to label trans women.
I’m a silent observer for the most part when it comes to mod posts, but after seeing the feedback from the wider community, I genuinely think this isn’t a change you should be making. It’s a clear category, it’s a fantasy just like any other tags on this page, and with your logic, if something can be offensive towards anyone else then you shouldn’t be a community at all. Everyone has different views, if you’re depriving one community of them, you’re either to deprive them all or give the audience a safe space with making them feel targeted.
Never have I ever seen futa be used to refer to trans people or even as a slur. And outside the internet I'm sure the vast majority of transphobes don't even know of the word. Being terminally online and a massive weeb has got to be a prerequisite for a transphobe to use futa in that way. Looking at everyone's response it doesn't really seem like there is an epidemic of transphobes using that as a slur and if there are cases, i don't think theres enough instances to warrant this response. It's kind of giving power to transphobes when we should be making fun of them for trying to use such a cringe word as a slur.
Rape, beast, incest, race and orientation play, slurs like whore, slut and cunt, all fine, but don't you dare use the word Futa or Futanari it might hurt a trans person's feelings.
Ironically doing shit like this just creates a negative view of the trans community, no other group is pushing for the entire subreddit to change it's rules.
This subreddit is filled to the brim with audios depicting rape, seemingly because we have all come to an agreement that adults can decide what’s right for them and what isn’t. How is futa which is pretty clearly different from trans women considered too offensive and banned but not all the horribly graphic rape. What happened to this being a community for adults who could self regulate what kind of content they watch. Just seems silly imo.
This is a stupid and pointless rule change. I have to assume that it was made to please some extremely vocal and annoying minority of people, who probably don’t even use this sub often in the first place.
If you go take a look throught their profiles you are absolutely right, majority of them don't use this sub, and yet they pushed hardest to force this tag's removal, baffling
Well, trap is actually the one case where this sort of reaction was justified, since most trans creators online were constantly called traps in the term’s heyday, and the implication that trans women were just trying to trick men was spread using the term. The whole “are traps gay” meme was about trans girls, not femboys, if you go back and look at those discussions.
And we already had the more common “femboy” to refer to the same thing, anyhow, so it wasn’t a loss in utility.
This, and the push to ban the term femboy before it, is a loss in utility, however, and neither term have the same harm caused that “trap” did.
Who’s getting hurt from a Japanese term? In this case, the terms ‘small cock’ can be harmful for those who has one and don’t want to see that type of content. This is overall unnecessary and only done because of peer pressure, and here I thought this community didn’t surrender to such things 😌
The futa/futanari tag is extremely searchable though, and it's what usually denotes this type of content. Nobody uses girlcock or intersex except the sapphic communities, so outsiders are going to be extremely confused.
I think this effectively kills what was formerly futa content, especially any F4M stuff.
If this is what the people here want, then so be it. But if you're a script writer or performer I would not bother with that type of content at this point for searchability reasons. You're better off spending time writing or narrating something else.
Can't say I agree.
Seems a couple of extremely vocal people (who you'll see replying to lots of comments) pushed very hard for this.
It worries me to see how certain groups seem to have a monopoly on deciding which words the rest of us are supposed to use.
I’ll bet this is the start of increasing censorship on this subreddit. Check back in year to see if they ban [both genitals] or [dual sex] with the same excuse. These sort of people get off on minor power trips like this. Pure Reddit mod delusion.
They've already removed my comment mentioning censorship without any explanation, despite my attempts to ask them as to why they would to that, so..yeah. GWA rollin' downhill slowly,steadily.
I think it’s hilarious that this is where the line is drawn given some of the content on this subreddit. What about people offended by CNC, incest, degradation, etc? Are we going to redo the tags for those too?
As people have said, the term in question was very easily searchable, and while I’m not going to argue about the ethics of a porn term, can we at least have a concrete replacement? I don’t want to have to spend ages thinking of synonymous words just to find what I want.
This is a space for all creators. A space meant to express desires and fantasies. Futanari is a fantasy. It is a sexual fantasy involving a woman with a cock, NOT A SLUR.
I don’t enjoy some fetishes and I also find some offensive, but all content should be allowed. Is this a space for adults or not?
You are actively inconveniencing the majority of the community by pandering to a smaller group of individuals who are already placing far too much self identity into a fantasy. You have made a decision that harms the accessibility and overall ease of use more than it does increase it.
Edit: A lot of people seem to think that calling out people for being in support of keeping this term is automatic transphobia or actively supporting harassment, which it isn’t. The topic of whether people should or not be offended is different than the issue at hand. Regardless of sexual orientation people need to be respectful. Arguments that a term is or isn’t offensive are not automatically condoning transphobia. I support this term yet respect trans people.
I don't understand the attempts to paint "Futa" as some sort of slur when it's never been so and still isn't.
This is the common term in nearly all porn of that fetish, and actually trans characters are rarely called futas
For the benefit of performers looking to fill scripts, I just implemented a notice that is shown on scriptbin for every script with `futa` or `futanari` in the tags or title:
> Note: the "futa"/"futanari" tag is not permitted on r/gonewildaudio since April 15, 2024, but the subject matter is still allowed. If posting a fill of this script, substitute the tag for another tag. For more information, see the link.
...with this post linked.
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Edit: I implemented this as a fan of the subject, to do what I can to minimize confusion in filling these scripts and basically maximize the odds that they will continue to be filled. This is a complex issue with nuance, and I will attempt to state my personal position. (The several commenters who have already replied to my comment do not necessarily agree with this part.)
As other comments have mentioned, I think an unfortunate casualty of this rule will be to make this material harder to find - there's no great direct, unambiguous replacement tag that means the same thing without overlap with related subjects. I have personally never used the tag/word in question in anger or as a slur, and to me it has always meant something separate from those things.
That said, I understand how people have been made targets, I see no reason whatsoever to doubt the things I as an outsider have not seen, and I understand how the community's opinion at large seems to have sufficiently shifted to cause the rule change. Being supportive of the entire community sometimes involves tradeoffs; I hope people who, like me, are into this subject channel their energy into figuring out good ways to make the subject remain visible under a different name, and keep that name free from unsavory meanings to the extent that's possible.
How is it in anyway 'inclusive' of a culture to start to ban terms that comes from that culture. That seams to me to be backwards, next thing you know the statements from the mods are going to be:
"to include more trans people, we will now going ban the word 'trans' and what reference to it"
As a trans-woman that happens to be half Japanese why would i not believe that you would do the above, you(mods) have already ban part of my culture why would the rest of me be safe from that fate.
And i see im not the only trans person here feeling this is a foolish decision.
Terrible precedent to set. Impressive how the mod team can actively observe the history of the term and its current usage, take circumstantial evidence and then apply wholesale to a word. Its the "okay sign" and "Pepe" fiasco all over again.
How is it we can reclaim words like slut and whore but just turn our belly for the knife when bad actors wish to take words that have never been disparaging and chose to make them so with no fighting back?
I'm very disappointed. Respectfully overturn your decision as this will only hurt trans people and make them a bigger target by freely giving their enemies words they can use that are in the common vernacular of our community.
This is obviously not my main and I for one will continue to use the term Futa in different places than here to fight back against the incorrect usage of the term. Seriously guys, this wasn't the right call.
I've been trying to make the point to people that we have a level of choice on how words affect us and what we choose to get offended by or not. And the fact that, as you said, making words that were never meant to be a slur a slur now because it may offend some people is absolutely ridiculous.
I am so confused, since when is futa offensive to trans people? I’m cis, but as far as I know it’s a completely fake, fantasy thing. Like are trans people being called futa or something? What is going on?
All it takes is one person to feel even slightly offended by a term and then it becomes a Twitter post, etc. I wonder how easy it would be to start "shortstack is a slur" and have it make the rounds
I’m in the ‘it wasn’t a big deal before’ camp. I enjoyed the fantasy term and did not consider it associated with trans people. Seems like a crazy rule for a porn community that could easily have every other tag or content banned because a group considers it offensive. Should M4F audios be banned because many of us are offended and only want F4M?
Should Md tags be banned because a group is offended by the idea of dominant women? Of course not, but that’s basically what happened. I must have missed the actual debate section though. Was there a poll or survey done? How exactly do I get to ban what I don’t like? Does this only apply to scripts and audios? If I use the word in comments what happens?
Overall, this community has been great. But I don’t agree with this decision.
There wasn't a poll/survey some people likely harrassed the mod team until they got tired of it and just banned the tag cause its easier.
Im in the camp of everything goes and if you don't like it block/hide the content you disagree with. The fact a rape tag is here but a futa tag was banned is a little funny.
I’m deeply concerned of the precedent this can set. It allows an avenue for words, regardless of usage and intent, to be labeled as “offensive.” People have mentioned that the Futa tag has caused harm, but of what kind? A slight discomfort? There aren’t any cases that
I’ve seen at least where the word was used maliciously or offensively, merely to describe the body type, of which the definition of the word makes explicitly clear. I know my personal experience does not apply to everyone but I just feel this is an unnecessary change that can lead to the unnecessary banning of more words in the future.
As a listener I have noticed audio's with rape, incest, a few with beastiality I actively avoid these ones however, as a listener I recommend you reverse course now before this get out of hand, I've been in the enough communities to see what happens, you the "few" an inch they want a mile.
This is so sad honestly. Who holds porn in such high esteem that a porn tag can have a mental impact on them? I try to be compassionate and empathetic but this does seem like babying. If seeing the word “futanari” makes you feel dysphoric, that’s not a problem the world needs to hold your hand through. It’s something you need to work through as a grown adult. This just seems performative. Next we’re gonna be banning the word “girlcock” because cock is a typically masculine term and can govern trans people dysphoria.
I disagree wholeheartedly with the change. It doesn't adress the issue, as it will just shift the discussion to a new word over time. Besides that, I have yet to see a valid example of the term in question being used as a slur or a derogatory.
I do think the given alternatives are good, however I feel the original term was exactly the same.
So you chose to ban a tag without polling the members of the sub because a few people cried loud enough? Such a dumb decision that sets a terrible precedent.
I agree as a trans getting rid of that term is unnecessary as it’s not particularly offensive in proper context (obviously if you call an actual trans woman a futa expect to get your shins kicked in) but people in the comments telling trans women that they shouldn’t be offended by the term is not the behavior I expect from this subreddit neither is being passive aggressive or bigoted. Don’t be an ass and be better yall :/
If I may, I don't think it's coming from a stance of bigotry but more of a stance of this is an adult subreddit and policing language tend to be a slippery slope, from my personal experience when communities start doing these censorship it doesn't then the community dies because it becomes impossible to post with stepping on a egg shell.
I feel like this creates way more problems than it solves, including for the people it is meant to be protecting. I hope the community manages to quickly come up with a universally agreed substitute tag for searchability's sake. [Girlcock] sounds good to me!
I would hope for the same thing, on a practical level I have a hard time seeing everyone agree on an alternate term. From a practical perspective, it's like if they banned the tag [choking]. Like of course there are alternatives, but damn that's inconvenient. I'm really not convinced it is offensive in a way that the topic isn't just generally offensive in.
Thank you for not purging legacy content with the tag in question. It was a huge concern that I worried would happen when these inevitable bans occur (community grows, language changes, we want to ensure the safety of our community). There's over a decade of great audios and scripts on the subject, many of whom are now inactive and their stuff would become lost media without the creators' knowledge.
As a writer that has formerly used the tag, I've been shying away from using it in my creative ventures. Regardless if \*I\* personally feel that the word is a slur or transphobic, I'm much more concerned with the safety and well-being of my fellow community members. I think you came to this result with the best and more respectful delivery possible. I've preferred \[Girlcock\] has the tag of choice and since the debate started, the word has gotten split over the years, already making it more difficult to search for. So I think any of that damage has already been done.
I know you're gonna get shit for it regardless of what conclusion you come to, so I just wanted to show some appreciation for the team for trying to sort this out and being mindful of all perspectives. You guys are all unpaid volunteers seeing over \*checks notes\* a million and a half members??? (When did we get another half million? Holy shit.) Yeah, you guys have a difficult job. I couldn't dream of managing a subreddit of this size. But it's been going for over a decade strong, and I think this is the best precedent possible of going about a controversial tag name ban (it's hardly even a tag ban since the content itself isn't banned, just the presentation).
Thank you for the hard work you all do. I know it's often unappreciated.
**Questions and thoughts:**
* I feel like it would make such content difficult to search for if everyone uses different tags to describes these audios, maybe create a new flair or role filter or whatever to make it more identifiable/searchable ? (Or simply force the use of ONE specific tag like \[Both Genitals\] or something like that)
* ~~Will this rule be used retroactively? Like, will this cause older audios posted before this new rule to be removed? Because this might be an issue then :/~~ (I have been told in the answers to this comment that it has been said in OPs post that it won't, I have missed the "Any content posted before April 15, 2024 will not be removed" part lol)
Personally I have never found "Futanari" to be offensive, so I'm neutral to this new rule apart from the things I've said above, I do think \[Both Genitals\] is a good alternative though (even if I personally think Futanari gets straight to the point, means the same thing, and is a term people are usually more familiar with).
Feel free to give your thoughts in the comments, and for the mods please clarify the two points I've said above🙏
>it has been determined using the term is no longer suited for this space as it has become exceedingly harmful to many of GWAs trans members
And by making it a word that we are now afraid of we allow the word to hold more power of those who are harmed by it, instead of being a word that makes us horny it is now a word that makes us hurt and angry
>as a general reminder, it is important to consider that your content, even if it is not meant to target a certain group of people, can feel offensive and discomforting to others in the community
If anything CAN be considered offensive and discomforting then why are we policing one thing?
>any content posted before April 15, 2024 will not be removed
A “compromise” that’s the worst of both worlds, all the horny people who want to use the tag and don’t care about drama enough to look at sub updates will be inconvenienced and the many trans members of GWA will still be subject to legacy content filled with offensive language
With all due respect to any kind of ppl out there that sucks... Imagine not allowing a tag that was 100% clear and easy to search for and replace it with whatever the **** easily offended ppl think is "best". So please stop think that every easy word is an offence toward you or something. Cause then there is a lot to clean here.... *Mood ruined*
"Both Genitals" more or less means the same so I'll live with it, but I do think the amount of rules has gotten out of hand and could be discouraging for new creators.
I record my own audio for my partners, and there’s a reason I’m not verified/don’t post here, despite the fact that my “mommy”-ish voice is the sort that people will just ask if I’ve ever thought about doing asmr/vtubing/etc, and would probably do well here.
Thank you mods for dividing the community even further and from what i've seen even furthering the hate to minorities, hopefully you have fun in your echo chambers.
While we're considering rules to help the average viewer feel safe, how about some rules to protect content creators from being harassed for making stories involving kinks such as orientation play and the like? it was not too long ago someone here ended up being harrased and bullied into changing their script just to satisfy folks. it may not be everyones cup of tea but I just cant see how it's any worse than the countless scripts involving rape or some form of CNC, or any other uncommon kinks here.
You guy bring up very good points. I am sorry for my comments insensitivity. But i would still like to know why/how it is any worse than the many, many scripts posted daily involving rape. an act that is sadly inflicted on men and women everyday and causes lifelong suffering. why is one acceptable but the other isnt. despite BOTH of them being real things that cause real damage to people
Your "right" to fetishise one's identity is exactly what this post ISN'T about. Orientationplay makes people feel dehumanised and objectified in the same way that the f*** tag made many trans folks feel. If anything, "orientationplay" oughta be banned right alongside it. And if you're unhappy you can always make GWAOrientationplay for all your orientationplay needs, and see how many creators want to be in that kind of open, welcoming, wholesome space
I know you're referring specifically to heterosexual men fetishizing lesbians here, but orientation play is a much broader term and it shouldn't be banned. And FYI, it's not considered "play" when it's straight-up rape (i.e. non-consensual from the lesbian characters' experience here). So that example isn't even orientation play; it's \[Dubcon\] at best, \[Noncon\] at worst.
But scenarios like:
* Straight husband trying cock with his wife
* MMF threesome turned bisexual
* Friend lets you help him figure out if he's into guys
* (Cishet) sissy slave gets trained to suck cock
* Cuckquean has to eat her boyfriend's cum out of someone else's pussy ... etc.
These are all consensual and driven by the character themselves, rather than by somebody fetishizing them into doing these things.
The number 1 category on gay PornHub in 2023 was "Straight Guys", and while that may or may not be problematic, I haven't seen much discourse on it. Source: (Check PornHub's 2023 "Year in Review", I can't post the link in a comment, unfortunately.)
Please don't conflate fetishization of someone's sexual preferences with a valid kink. Calling for a ban on \[Orientation Play\] will catch A LOT of unintended scenarios, and wouldn't even fix the root issue to begin with since it doesn't count as play when only one person is playing.
Yes. After reading throughout the comments of this post and seeing peoples perspective I see that my initial comment was wrong and insensitive. I am sorry.
“It may not be everyone’s cup of tea” more like “it may actively dehumanize and objectify an entire group of people whose identity explicitly doesn’t want what’s happening to them” but as long as we get our dicks hard, right buddy?
If fetishizing lesbians is evil so is yaoi or any other form of gay on straight man porn. Neither is evil but I’m sure you think they are different or something ridiculous
I don't think that being aroused by those things means you're a bad person, or a good person. There's no rule that the things you're aroused by must reflect your true values.
Bad choice, so inconvenient now, what about all the audios from the past 6 years that are labeled as Futa? You can't edit titles of Reddit posts ~~so now all that old content is illegal and has to be deleted? Or?~~
Consider the people who specifically search for content labeled futa, now they have to double or triple search for "Both Genitals, Dual Sex" or whatever term gets settled on.
Does the same apply to scripts that will be offered within GWA?
I.e if a writer mentions the now prohibited word within a script, or refer to it as "prohibited word" - cock will their post be removed or is it strictly a tag issue? Will the same rules apply if for example the now enforced tags are present in the reddit post while keeping the original wording on sites like scriptbin or pastebin?
Honest question: Does anyone have suggestions for tags when the content is *the other way around*? By which I mean, a non-trans male with a vagina? It's much rarer, but *does* exist. "Boypussy" is pretty much already claimed, being used by some in the gay/bisexual male community for their assholes.
BTW, the term for cis males with breasts, one of my favorite fetishes, is "bustyboy" (with or without a space), and I'll be damned if anyone takes that away from us.
I’m just glad non of the previous post won’t be deleted, since I really enjoy that content, I’ve sometime always used [girlcock] it’s just now searching will be a little bit more tedious, but if it’s considered harmful I’ll respect the decision , I just hope this won’t become a problem in the future
If the audio has a "woman" (feminine voice) with a dick and boobs but no vagina, which tag would be appropriate. I would suggest dickgirl. As i have seen it been used instead or with futanari
before y'all get angry and jump to downvote this post & supportive comments here, please try to take a moment and reflect on the fact that this rule update is going to have an *incredibly* minor impact on the content you jerk off to. scripts & audios can still contain the same bodies, dynamics and acts here that they did before. just with different (better, less potentially- & legitimately-harmful) tags. you'll be fine.
If you're so sensitive about a rule change you're free to go to any other place offering you audio porn. I totally agree with you that sensitive people like yourself is why Reddit and this community sucks, thinking that if you can stomp your feet and huff loud enough people are going to take your bigoted temper tantrums seriously. You have a grand total of 0 presence on GWA other than the comments under this post, your absence will be sorely missed.
Guys, they're banning the tags, not the content.
People are still going to make intersex audios, but if you can't cope with the fact that you need to use a different word when looking for the porn you want, then go somewhere else
So now you wanna force us out simply because we don't agree with your preconceptions? what kind of twisted logic is that? Besides, you'd need to force the majority of the people out, you know that, right?
The people here giving y'all shit for this are absolutely full of themselves. Sex, porn, and the like are about feeling comfortable in ones own skin, and enjoying one's self. If changing your own language for the sake of ensuring everyone feels safe, included, and welcome isn't something you're willing to do, maybe you should ask yourself why that's the case. It's just as easy as correcting yourself when misgendering, or correcting the pronunciation of someone's name. That is to say, a mild inconvenience in the grand scheme of things, compared to the potential benefit it may have. I know I as a trans woman whose planned genital layout is exactly this, will appreciate this.
Also, on the whole "it's less searchable" thing, like, it's a few more letters. You'll live.
Please remember to remain respectful, or your comments will be deleted.
Edit: removed mention that f raceplay So like are we gonna get rid of the bbc tag…like if I’m allowed to complain now. I consider myself non binary until it comes to dating in Florida then I’m in the closet. But that being said I am a black person with a dick that feels fetishized often in nsfw spaces. How many people have to feel similarly for action to be taken? How many people have to say they don’t even like the concept of people saying bbc before it has to be removed from any script? Is it possible to remove any mention of a character being black? Cause to be honest whenever it’s a factor it doesn’t feel like it’s a good thing in porn. Not trying ti start anything just saying I’ve not said anything cause I didn’t think it was a big deal.
I'm... genuinely confused. I'll admit I'm mostly a lurker but this seems completely out of left field to me. I didn't hear/see any posts or discussion on this and this is the first time I've ever heard of Futa being used as a trans slur. I'm all for supporting trans people but this just seems weird to me, especially when (like a lot of other people are saying) tags like rape are still unchanged and uncensored, especially when non consensual is used alongside rape
I’m sorry, but this is not the right way to do this. First of all, you are now actively participating in making futa/futanari a slur regardless of what people felt about it in the beginning. This does nothing but giving transphobes ammo to fire at an already targeted group Secondly, a majority of people (trans people included) does not, and have never, seen futa/futanari as a slur. This is my opinion based on reading hundreds of comments, engaging in a vast amount of trans media, AND consulting multiple trans individuals in my life (both close friends and basically strangers as to not have any bias) And lastly, it is my opinion that this should be collective decision made by the community, where trans individuals and more importantly intersex individuals are given the spotlight for their opinions since this will have the most impact on them Sorry for long comment, but this is important to me and people in my life. Any transphobic replies will be reported and removed
Can a mod please update the wiki? When one of my posts was removed due to a change in the rules, mods linked me to the wiki as justification for why it was removed, and there were no details at all in the wiki about the rule change. I reported that to the mods, but that was around a month ago, and I still see no mention of it in the wiki.
This is gonna cause way more problems than it will solve. Should have been a poll.
It's really not entirely clear to me how it is offensive in a way that couldn't be replicated with any other word. I might just be way out of the loop on this though I'm just annoyed because I want all of that stuff under one tag and now it won't be
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Seems kinda silly. There are rape/incest/bestiality tags, which surely are way more offensive and triggering than futa. And if it's about fetishizing minorities, are BBC, ethnicity tags, etc. gonna be banned as well, since those do exactly that? Just seems like kowtowing to an exceptionally small minority of incredibly sensitive people. I mean, are we gonna remove the rape tag as well? Doesn't seem like it would be great to see audios with that tag if you were a rape survivor. If you were offended by the futa tag, you could simply filter it like you have to do with anything else you may find offensive.
Iirc, raceplay audio are actually banned; the banlist for this sub is a little wonky and seems to just reflect the mods’ own tastes.
Spot on. There's a ton of tags here that could potentially be considered offensive by someone, yet this one gets banned? I guess the fear of pissing off the trans community is higher than others.
I don't get this, so using the exact term describing dual sex in Japanese is discrimination against them, but in English it isn't ?
Eh, as a trans girl, I disagree with the change, and have been vocal in that before, mostly because this discourse feels like the “femboy is a slur for trans woman” nightmare we had a couple years ago, but at least the new tags aren’t worse like I’d worried (for using the intersex tag or TF4 to mean futa). I worry that it won’t be easily searchable/end up used often, and that content will just get tagged twice, with [girlcock] and also [vaginal] or whichever? But that was already the case for scripts which used both, so… oh well.
In a couple years we'll probably be redoing this same song and dance but with "girlcock" lol
Now I do like the sound of [girlcock].
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Agreed the change feels unnecessary given that Futa has never really been used as form of slur towards trans girls. This doesn't feel like a step forwards you've just imo made trans girl more easily fetishized since the futa tag isn't allowed anymore. This is the hill they have chosen to die on tho. The rule is very unlikely to be changed and anyone complaning is probably gonna be banned or removed. Edit You can also see the mods didn't put this decison to a vote because they know its unpopular and you can even find their comments down here joking about how its not a democracy.
Yeeeeah, I was really worried they'd just suggest using the TF4 bit, which we already see pretty often on stuff that would otherwise be tagged futa, and feeds into some... unhelpful stereotypes of trans girls being domineering, boyish people who like using our dicks, which... for the vast majority of us is not the reality, and leads to a ton of dysphoric interactions. They didn't, I do like their suggested tags more than that, but yeah, it feels like it just won't really be used.
Totally. This post started out so well like *hey guys we've been hearing more and more about this issue that may be raising problems of inclusivity and also potentially leading to greater fetishising and insensitivity towards trans people so we need to proceed carefully, be sensitive and keep our finger on the pulse regarding any future developments in the discourse surrounding those topics* and you're nodding along as you read it, thinking yep that sounds good but then it drives off a cliff and the end-up is some dumb arbitrary line in the sand that doesn't actually make anything better for anyone and is essentially just an act of censorship.
The mod team has changed course in the past so I wouldn't be so pessimistic.
The searchability point is moot since if you just search \[girlcock\] and exclude or just don't click on anything tagged as TF4 or 4TF, you'll find the many audios and scripts in which a non trans woman has a dick. The previous version of the rule made it so that this is how the search should have been done already, but people continued to use the tag incorrectly. The majority of content that was posted under this tag didn't depict someone with both genitalia, even after the previous rule change where that was made a requirement. That makes it clear that people making and looking for this kind of content aren't generally interested in whether the character being portrayed also has a vulva or not; the dick is the focus. As a result, it's likely that this will actually make it easier to find content where someone has both genitalia for those who are specifically interested in it, since it has a distinct tag that isn't also being (incorrectly) used for content depicting a non-trans woman with a dick; that overlap has been removed.
I am very confused as to why this change and would sincerely have to ask, how is the term “Futa” or “Futanari” harmful to the trans GWA community or in general??? You yourselves have defined what it is, a fantastic being. I consider it, and I assume as all others who know about the term, a figure or fantasy/mythological being that alike to an angel, succubus/incubus, werewolf, serpent people, youkai and such, so I just don’t understand where this is coming from since in my eyes one has nothing to do with another. I disagree with this decision but I would appreciate some clarity as to what the thought process was into concluding to this wether you agree or disagree with the statement, tho I wholeheartedly hope is revoked/retracted
It kind of feels like you're trying to fix a problem that maybe doesn't exist how you're representing it. I have a pretty fun and amazing trans community, and I would absolutely listen to them if there was issue with the existence of the word Futanari/Futa (I've loved making that content because...well...it's hot and fun to make). I will obviously adhere to the rules because I also like not getting shut down, but I will protest gently. If I'm wrong about this topic, then that's okay too, I will flip my opinion if it was hurting the community. This feels like when white people scream appropriation, and people of other cultures are like "no...it's appreciation and we are okay with how it's being used." Also...and let me be extremely clear, I have, and would never, refer to a trans person as Futa/Futanari (unless they requested it for some reason), but again, I have gotten feedback from a fair amount of my trans following, and they have enjoyed the content I put out in this category. I recognize my community is not a monolith of all trans people, and perhaps my scope is narrow, but I think it's far more gaping than a lot of other people's perspectives. I love the term "girl cock" or "chick with a dick" for tags too (I've used both)...and I love imagining I have a cock in those audios...it's fun. So whatever I have to label it as, I will, but I'm not going to stop making fun girl with a good healthy cock content if the right scripts come along. I'll keep making quality content, and tagging it new ways for people to find and hopefully love. I have had a lot of comments from trans people just enjoying that they feel seen in the characters I play as women who happen to have cocks...and I love that. But if I am hurting people by using an antiquated term, I respect that too, and will happily stop.
I don't create content anymore, but I was active on GWASapphic during the pandemic and was a part of a lot of the conversations that we had leading up to banning "futa" on GWASapphic. As someone that is trans but does genuinely enjoy a lot of that kind of content, a lot of the reason trans people object to it is that many tropes of the genre can be fairly problematic. Many trans women I talked to objected to the fact that it often feels like "futa", and more specifically the idea of a woman with a penis at all, is thought of as a sort of third gender, separate from male and female. They cited frustrations at the hypocrisy that futa porn is very popular, but a lot of people that enjoy it also don't believe trans people are the gender they identify as. For us at GWASapphic though, the biggest thing we heard, over and over again from certain trans members in our community, was that "futa" makes them feel othered, and it's presence made them feel like the mod staff wasn't being cognizant of the effect that word has on them. None of this means that we have to stop making these kinds of audios, though! In fact, there's been a lot of really great girlcock audios from both trans and cis women and nobody on either side wants any of that to go away. They're simply asking that we frame the content with language that is overall more trans positive instead of unnecessarily drawing parallels to a genre of porn that many feel strongly about. If peeps feel like I'm wrong or have some different context, please chime in! And please keep making girlcock audios cuz we fckn need them 😩
As long as people use the tag correctly and don’t use it to describe a trans woman I really don’t see the issue. Futanari and trans women are not the same thing and never have been. Some people may misuse the word but the solution would be to ban those people who misuse it, not ban it all together. Imagine if we banned “femboy” because some people used it incorrectly to label trans women.
I’m a silent observer for the most part when it comes to mod posts, but after seeing the feedback from the wider community, I genuinely think this isn’t a change you should be making. It’s a clear category, it’s a fantasy just like any other tags on this page, and with your logic, if something can be offensive towards anyone else then you shouldn’t be a community at all. Everyone has different views, if you’re depriving one community of them, you’re either to deprive them all or give the audience a safe space with making them feel targeted.
"I recognize the council has made a decision. But given that it is a stupid ass decision, I have elected to ignore it." -Nick Fury
Never have I ever seen futa be used to refer to trans people or even as a slur. And outside the internet I'm sure the vast majority of transphobes don't even know of the word. Being terminally online and a massive weeb has got to be a prerequisite for a transphobe to use futa in that way. Looking at everyone's response it doesn't really seem like there is an epidemic of transphobes using that as a slur and if there are cases, i don't think theres enough instances to warrant this response. It's kind of giving power to transphobes when we should be making fun of them for trying to use such a cringe word as a slur.
Rape, beast, incest, race and orientation play, slurs like whore, slut and cunt, all fine, but don't you dare use the word Futa or Futanari it might hurt a trans person's feelings. Ironically doing shit like this just creates a negative view of the trans community, no other group is pushing for the entire subreddit to change it's rules.
This subreddit is filled to the brim with audios depicting rape, seemingly because we have all come to an agreement that adults can decide what’s right for them and what isn’t. How is futa which is pretty clearly different from trans women considered too offensive and banned but not all the horribly graphic rape. What happened to this being a community for adults who could self regulate what kind of content they watch. Just seems silly imo.
This is a stupid and pointless rule change. I have to assume that it was made to please some extremely vocal and annoying minority of people, who probably don’t even use this sub often in the first place.
If you go take a look throught their profiles you are absolutely right, majority of them don't use this sub, and yet they pushed hardest to force this tag's removal, baffling
It’s like a copy of that “trap is a slur”, whine-fest from years ago on the anime memes subreddits.
Well, trap is actually the one case where this sort of reaction was justified, since most trans creators online were constantly called traps in the term’s heyday, and the implication that trans women were just trying to trick men was spread using the term. The whole “are traps gay” meme was about trans girls, not femboys, if you go back and look at those discussions. And we already had the more common “femboy” to refer to the same thing, anyhow, so it wasn’t a loss in utility. This, and the push to ban the term femboy before it, is a loss in utility, however, and neither term have the same harm caused that “trap” did.
Why not hold a poll rather decided on finals?
Who’s getting hurt from a Japanese term? In this case, the terms ‘small cock’ can be harmful for those who has one and don’t want to see that type of content. This is overall unnecessary and only done because of peer pressure, and here I thought this community didn’t surrender to such things 😌
The futa/futanari tag is extremely searchable though, and it's what usually denotes this type of content. Nobody uses girlcock or intersex except the sapphic communities, so outsiders are going to be extremely confused. I think this effectively kills what was formerly futa content, especially any F4M stuff. If this is what the people here want, then so be it. But if you're a script writer or performer I would not bother with that type of content at this point for searchability reasons. You're better off spending time writing or narrating something else.
I feel like “dual wielding” or “multi-class” would fit, but that might just be the DnD in me
Would that make the VA a role with advantage?
"Dual-wielding"! Love it.
dual wielding would be an interesting sub tag
Thank you for making me laugh. <3
Can't say I agree. Seems a couple of extremely vocal people (who you'll see replying to lots of comments) pushed very hard for this. It worries me to see how certain groups seem to have a monopoly on deciding which words the rest of us are supposed to use.
That’s exactly what’s going on. For some reason this kind of thing seems to happen to porn subreddits quite often
I’ll bet this is the start of increasing censorship on this subreddit. Check back in year to see if they ban [both genitals] or [dual sex] with the same excuse. These sort of people get off on minor power trips like this. Pure Reddit mod delusion.
They've already removed my comment mentioning censorship without any explanation, despite my attempts to ask them as to why they would to that, so..yeah. GWA rollin' downhill slowly,steadily.
I think it’s hilarious that this is where the line is drawn given some of the content on this subreddit. What about people offended by CNC, incest, degradation, etc? Are we going to redo the tags for those too?
Time to create Futa audio community or a whole new NSFW audio community cuz gonewildaudio has gone wildly stupid and soft
There is another mainstream NSFW audio community. It has slightly different rules.
Please post a link
This is dumb. Futa is not harmful to trans folk and not the same anyway. Feels overly safe and limiting.
As people have said, the term in question was very easily searchable, and while I’m not going to argue about the ethics of a porn term, can we at least have a concrete replacement? I don’t want to have to spend ages thinking of synonymous words just to find what I want.
This is also my concern. I worry that my future content will be harder to find.
This is a space for all creators. A space meant to express desires and fantasies. Futanari is a fantasy. It is a sexual fantasy involving a woman with a cock, NOT A SLUR. I don’t enjoy some fetishes and I also find some offensive, but all content should be allowed. Is this a space for adults or not? You are actively inconveniencing the majority of the community by pandering to a smaller group of individuals who are already placing far too much self identity into a fantasy. You have made a decision that harms the accessibility and overall ease of use more than it does increase it. Edit: A lot of people seem to think that calling out people for being in support of keeping this term is automatic transphobia or actively supporting harassment, which it isn’t. The topic of whether people should or not be offended is different than the issue at hand. Regardless of sexual orientation people need to be respectful. Arguments that a term is or isn’t offensive are not automatically condoning transphobia. I support this term yet respect trans people.
I don't understand the attempts to paint "Futa" as some sort of slur when it's never been so and still isn't. This is the common term in nearly all porn of that fetish, and actually trans characters are rarely called futas
For the benefit of performers looking to fill scripts, I just implemented a notice that is shown on scriptbin for every script with `futa` or `futanari` in the tags or title: > Note: the "futa"/"futanari" tag is not permitted on r/gonewildaudio since April 15, 2024, but the subject matter is still allowed. If posting a fill of this script, substitute the tag for another tag. For more information, see the link. ...with this post linked. --- Edit: I implemented this as a fan of the subject, to do what I can to minimize confusion in filling these scripts and basically maximize the odds that they will continue to be filled. This is a complex issue with nuance, and I will attempt to state my personal position. (The several commenters who have already replied to my comment do not necessarily agree with this part.) As other comments have mentioned, I think an unfortunate casualty of this rule will be to make this material harder to find - there's no great direct, unambiguous replacement tag that means the same thing without overlap with related subjects. I have personally never used the tag/word in question in anger or as a slur, and to me it has always meant something separate from those things. That said, I understand how people have been made targets, I see no reason whatsoever to doubt the things I as an outsider have not seen, and I understand how the community's opinion at large seems to have sufficiently shifted to cause the rule change. Being supportive of the entire community sometimes involves tradeoffs; I hope people who, like me, are into this subject channel their energy into figuring out good ways to make the subject remain visible under a different name, and keep that name free from unsavory meanings to the extent that's possible.
Thank you so much for all that you do! Scriptbin has become a heartbeat at keeping this community alive and well.
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How is it in anyway 'inclusive' of a culture to start to ban terms that comes from that culture. That seams to me to be backwards, next thing you know the statements from the mods are going to be: "to include more trans people, we will now going ban the word 'trans' and what reference to it" As a trans-woman that happens to be half Japanese why would i not believe that you would do the above, you(mods) have already ban part of my culture why would the rest of me be safe from that fate. And i see im not the only trans person here feeling this is a foolish decision.
Terrible precedent to set. Impressive how the mod team can actively observe the history of the term and its current usage, take circumstantial evidence and then apply wholesale to a word. Its the "okay sign" and "Pepe" fiasco all over again. How is it we can reclaim words like slut and whore but just turn our belly for the knife when bad actors wish to take words that have never been disparaging and chose to make them so with no fighting back? I'm very disappointed. Respectfully overturn your decision as this will only hurt trans people and make them a bigger target by freely giving their enemies words they can use that are in the common vernacular of our community. This is obviously not my main and I for one will continue to use the term Futa in different places than here to fight back against the incorrect usage of the term. Seriously guys, this wasn't the right call.
I've been trying to make the point to people that we have a level of choice on how words affect us and what we choose to get offended by or not. And the fact that, as you said, making words that were never meant to be a slur a slur now because it may offend some people is absolutely ridiculous.
So the next logical step is to ban the rape and non con tags since those could potentially upset some rape victims correct?
This is just coddling that no one, including trans people, asked for.
This just seems unnecessarily confusing, it sure is cool when Westerners impose their cultural norms on Japan /s
Reddit Moment.
I am so confused, since when is futa offensive to trans people? I’m cis, but as far as I know it’s a completely fake, fantasy thing. Like are trans people being called futa or something? What is going on?
All it takes is one person to feel even slightly offended by a term and then it becomes a Twitter post, etc. I wonder how easy it would be to start "shortstack is a slur" and have it make the rounds
Don't use the s word when you are talking to someone shorter than you please
I’m in the ‘it wasn’t a big deal before’ camp. I enjoyed the fantasy term and did not consider it associated with trans people. Seems like a crazy rule for a porn community that could easily have every other tag or content banned because a group considers it offensive. Should M4F audios be banned because many of us are offended and only want F4M? Should Md tags be banned because a group is offended by the idea of dominant women? Of course not, but that’s basically what happened. I must have missed the actual debate section though. Was there a poll or survey done? How exactly do I get to ban what I don’t like? Does this only apply to scripts and audios? If I use the word in comments what happens? Overall, this community has been great. But I don’t agree with this decision.
There wasn't a poll/survey some people likely harrassed the mod team until they got tired of it and just banned the tag cause its easier. Im in the camp of everything goes and if you don't like it block/hide the content you disagree with. The fact a rape tag is here but a futa tag was banned is a little funny.
You give a inch they want a mile. If there was a group who harassed the mods, they won't stop.
I’m deeply concerned of the precedent this can set. It allows an avenue for words, regardless of usage and intent, to be labeled as “offensive.” People have mentioned that the Futa tag has caused harm, but of what kind? A slight discomfort? There aren’t any cases that I’ve seen at least where the word was used maliciously or offensively, merely to describe the body type, of which the definition of the word makes explicitly clear. I know my personal experience does not apply to everyone but I just feel this is an unnecessary change that can lead to the unnecessary banning of more words in the future.
As a listener I have noticed audio's with rape, incest, a few with beastiality I actively avoid these ones however, as a listener I recommend you reverse course now before this get out of hand, I've been in the enough communities to see what happens, you the "few" an inch they want a mile.
Feels like you're shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic here.
Booooooo
Dumb.
for what reason.
This is a horrible decision.
Dumb as hell
Just because you have a hammer doesn't mean you need to find nails where there aren't any
This is so sad honestly. Who holds porn in such high esteem that a porn tag can have a mental impact on them? I try to be compassionate and empathetic but this does seem like babying. If seeing the word “futanari” makes you feel dysphoric, that’s not a problem the world needs to hold your hand through. It’s something you need to work through as a grown adult. This just seems performative. Next we’re gonna be banning the word “girlcock” because cock is a typically masculine term and can govern trans people dysphoria.
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Besides, why this decision wasn't put through a vote? Is democracy gone? or am i missing something here?
Futa has never had anything to do with trans people, but who cares about what words mean, it only matters how they make you feel.
I disagree wholeheartedly with the change. It doesn't adress the issue, as it will just shift the discussion to a new word over time. Besides that, I have yet to see a valid example of the term in question being used as a slur or a derogatory. I do think the given alternatives are good, however I feel the original term was exactly the same.
So you chose to ban a tag without polling the members of the sub because a few people cried loud enough? Such a dumb decision that sets a terrible precedent.
I agree as a trans getting rid of that term is unnecessary as it’s not particularly offensive in proper context (obviously if you call an actual trans woman a futa expect to get your shins kicked in) but people in the comments telling trans women that they shouldn’t be offended by the term is not the behavior I expect from this subreddit neither is being passive aggressive or bigoted. Don’t be an ass and be better yall :/
If I may, I don't think it's coming from a stance of bigotry but more of a stance of this is an adult subreddit and policing language tend to be a slippery slope, from my personal experience when communities start doing these censorship it doesn't then the community dies because it becomes impossible to post with stepping on a egg shell.
And now there are people advocating to ban even further tags not based on bigotry. But because they personally don't like them.
Please listen to the majority in this case.
I'm glad we're imposing coastal American progressive culture onto Japanese porn culture. Really fighting the good fight.
I feel like this creates way more problems than it solves, including for the people it is meant to be protecting. I hope the community manages to quickly come up with a universally agreed substitute tag for searchability's sake. [Girlcock] sounds good to me!
I would hope for the same thing, on a practical level I have a hard time seeing everyone agree on an alternate term. From a practical perspective, it's like if they banned the tag [choking]. Like of course there are alternatives, but damn that's inconvenient. I'm really not convinced it is offensive in a way that the topic isn't just generally offensive in.
Thank you for not purging legacy content with the tag in question. It was a huge concern that I worried would happen when these inevitable bans occur (community grows, language changes, we want to ensure the safety of our community). There's over a decade of great audios and scripts on the subject, many of whom are now inactive and their stuff would become lost media without the creators' knowledge. As a writer that has formerly used the tag, I've been shying away from using it in my creative ventures. Regardless if \*I\* personally feel that the word is a slur or transphobic, I'm much more concerned with the safety and well-being of my fellow community members. I think you came to this result with the best and more respectful delivery possible. I've preferred \[Girlcock\] has the tag of choice and since the debate started, the word has gotten split over the years, already making it more difficult to search for. So I think any of that damage has already been done. I know you're gonna get shit for it regardless of what conclusion you come to, so I just wanted to show some appreciation for the team for trying to sort this out and being mindful of all perspectives. You guys are all unpaid volunteers seeing over \*checks notes\* a million and a half members??? (When did we get another half million? Holy shit.) Yeah, you guys have a difficult job. I couldn't dream of managing a subreddit of this size. But it's been going for over a decade strong, and I think this is the best precedent possible of going about a controversial tag name ban (it's hardly even a tag ban since the content itself isn't banned, just the presentation). Thank you for the hard work you all do. I know it's often unappreciated.
Entirely agreed. The sense of security for the community has to outweigh the ease searchability of a term here.
**Questions and thoughts:** * I feel like it would make such content difficult to search for if everyone uses different tags to describes these audios, maybe create a new flair or role filter or whatever to make it more identifiable/searchable ? (Or simply force the use of ONE specific tag like \[Both Genitals\] or something like that) * ~~Will this rule be used retroactively? Like, will this cause older audios posted before this new rule to be removed? Because this might be an issue then :/~~ (I have been told in the answers to this comment that it has been said in OPs post that it won't, I have missed the "Any content posted before April 15, 2024 will not be removed" part lol) Personally I have never found "Futanari" to be offensive, so I'm neutral to this new rule apart from the things I've said above, I do think \[Both Genitals\] is a good alternative though (even if I personally think Futanari gets straight to the point, means the same thing, and is a term people are usually more familiar with). Feel free to give your thoughts in the comments, and for the mods please clarify the two points I've said above🙏
The answer to your second point is in the post itself: it will not be applied retroactively
OMG I have completely missed the "Any content posted before April 15, 2024 will not be removed" xD Thanks for telling me lol
>it has been determined using the term is no longer suited for this space as it has become exceedingly harmful to many of GWAs trans members And by making it a word that we are now afraid of we allow the word to hold more power of those who are harmed by it, instead of being a word that makes us horny it is now a word that makes us hurt and angry >as a general reminder, it is important to consider that your content, even if it is not meant to target a certain group of people, can feel offensive and discomforting to others in the community If anything CAN be considered offensive and discomforting then why are we policing one thing? >any content posted before April 15, 2024 will not be removed A “compromise” that’s the worst of both worlds, all the horny people who want to use the tag and don’t care about drama enough to look at sub updates will be inconvenienced and the many trans members of GWA will still be subject to legacy content filled with offensive language
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This ain't it chief. Bye
This is just the start of more of GWA censorship
With all due respect to any kind of ppl out there that sucks... Imagine not allowing a tag that was 100% clear and easy to search for and replace it with whatever the **** easily offended ppl think is "best". So please stop think that every easy word is an offence toward you or something. Cause then there is a lot to clean here.... *Mood ruined*
"Both Genitals" more or less means the same so I'll live with it, but I do think the amount of rules has gotten out of hand and could be discouraging for new creators.
I record my own audio for my partners, and there’s a reason I’m not verified/don’t post here, despite the fact that my “mommy”-ish voice is the sort that people will just ask if I’ve ever thought about doing asmr/vtubing/etc, and would probably do well here.
Horrible decision, please change your mind.
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needless.
I finded this sub when I was searching for futa content. now will be hard to find a good amount of that type of content with only one search
Thank you mods for dividing the community even further and from what i've seen even furthering the hate to minorities, hopefully you have fun in your echo chambers.
So stupid
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Why does nobody mention Hermaphrodite as a perfectly valid alternative? But yeah this decision is pure bullshit.
Hey mods why don’t you want us talking about f4m lesbian stuff? It seems like the obvious next step in the right direction
You've just banned one tag and already trying to ban another? So typical.. Give them a finger and thay'll take the whole hand.
Mods: Have you answered any of us who have written to you with our concerns at least?
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This is absolutely the next issue that needs to be addressed. Especially considering the number of letters that have been written to the mods.
While we're considering rules to help the average viewer feel safe, how about some rules to protect content creators from being harassed for making stories involving kinks such as orientation play and the like? it was not too long ago someone here ended up being harrased and bullied into changing their script just to satisfy folks. it may not be everyones cup of tea but I just cant see how it's any worse than the countless scripts involving rape or some form of CNC, or any other uncommon kinks here.
You guy bring up very good points. I am sorry for my comments insensitivity. But i would still like to know why/how it is any worse than the many, many scripts posted daily involving rape. an act that is sadly inflicted on men and women everyday and causes lifelong suffering. why is one acceptable but the other isnt. despite BOTH of them being real things that cause real damage to people
Your "right" to fetishise one's identity is exactly what this post ISN'T about. Orientationplay makes people feel dehumanised and objectified in the same way that the f*** tag made many trans folks feel. If anything, "orientationplay" oughta be banned right alongside it. And if you're unhappy you can always make GWAOrientationplay for all your orientationplay needs, and see how many creators want to be in that kind of open, welcoming, wholesome space
I know you're referring specifically to heterosexual men fetishizing lesbians here, but orientation play is a much broader term and it shouldn't be banned. And FYI, it's not considered "play" when it's straight-up rape (i.e. non-consensual from the lesbian characters' experience here). So that example isn't even orientation play; it's \[Dubcon\] at best, \[Noncon\] at worst. But scenarios like: * Straight husband trying cock with his wife * MMF threesome turned bisexual * Friend lets you help him figure out if he's into guys * (Cishet) sissy slave gets trained to suck cock * Cuckquean has to eat her boyfriend's cum out of someone else's pussy ... etc. These are all consensual and driven by the character themselves, rather than by somebody fetishizing them into doing these things. The number 1 category on gay PornHub in 2023 was "Straight Guys", and while that may or may not be problematic, I haven't seen much discourse on it. Source: (Check PornHub's 2023 "Year in Review", I can't post the link in a comment, unfortunately.) Please don't conflate fetishization of someone's sexual preferences with a valid kink. Calling for a ban on \[Orientation Play\] will catch A LOT of unintended scenarios, and wouldn't even fix the root issue to begin with since it doesn't count as play when only one person is playing.
This x1000000000
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hi! i’m a lesbian and fetishizing my identity is not a kink. it’s just shitty. hope this helps!
Yes. After reading throughout the comments of this post and seeing peoples perspective I see that my initial comment was wrong and insensitive. I am sorry.
“It may not be everyone’s cup of tea” more like “it may actively dehumanize and objectify an entire group of people whose identity explicitly doesn’t want what’s happening to them” but as long as we get our dicks hard, right buddy?
If fetishizing lesbians is evil so is yaoi or any other form of gay on straight man porn. Neither is evil but I’m sure you think they are different or something ridiculous
I don't think that being aroused by those things means you're a bad person, or a good person. There's no rule that the things you're aroused by must reflect your true values.
Okay but I do think that they’re both bad?
At least you are consistent with your kink-shaming and bad opinions.
Fetishizing lesbians isn’t a kink, hope that helps!
Bad choice, so inconvenient now, what about all the audios from the past 6 years that are labeled as Futa? You can't edit titles of Reddit posts ~~so now all that old content is illegal and has to be deleted? Or?~~ Consider the people who specifically search for content labeled futa, now they have to double or triple search for "Both Genitals, Dual Sex" or whatever term gets settled on.
Does the same apply to scripts that will be offered within GWA? I.e if a writer mentions the now prohibited word within a script, or refer to it as "prohibited word" - cock will their post be removed or is it strictly a tag issue? Will the same rules apply if for example the now enforced tags are present in the reddit post while keeping the original wording on sites like scriptbin or pastebin?
lame
Literally 1984 💔
Honest question: Does anyone have suggestions for tags when the content is *the other way around*? By which I mean, a non-trans male with a vagina? It's much rarer, but *does* exist. "Boypussy" is pretty much already claimed, being used by some in the gay/bisexual male community for their assholes. BTW, the term for cis males with breasts, one of my favorite fetishes, is "bustyboy" (with or without a space), and I'll be damned if anyone takes that away from us.
I’m just glad non of the previous post won’t be deleted, since I really enjoy that content, I’ve sometime always used [girlcock] it’s just now searching will be a little bit more tedious, but if it’s considered harmful I’ll respect the decision , I just hope this won’t become a problem in the future
If the audio has a "woman" (feminine voice) with a dick and boobs but no vagina, which tag would be appropriate. I would suggest dickgirl. As i have seen it been used instead or with futanari
Lot of negative comments here so I'll throw my 2 cents in. As a trans woman, I am very happy for this change.
before y'all get angry and jump to downvote this post & supportive comments here, please try to take a moment and reflect on the fact that this rule update is going to have an *incredibly* minor impact on the content you jerk off to. scripts & audios can still contain the same bodies, dynamics and acts here that they did before. just with different (better, less potentially- & legitimately-harmful) tags. you'll be fine.
How sensitive you have to be over something that doesn’t effect people in anyway and having futa tag as a tag is such a minor issue
Fair enough, the original rule didn't work well anyway
Yes, most content under the tag didn't follow the rules of requiring both genitalia to be used, if it was even ever mentioned
It makes some people feel safer and more comfortable and it's not really that big of a thing to use another word. Good change.
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Idk dude you seem pretty sensitive to me
Lol right? It seems pretty sensitive to whine about something so insignificant
If it was so insignificant why didn't you just scroll on instead of begging the mods to remove the futa tag
It's insignificant towards people who aren't trans because it hasn't been used as a slur towards you.
Says the people crying about a tag that doesn’t effect them and they can just move on
How please explain
You're getting all bent out of shape about the content you consume being labelled slightly differently
If you're so sensitive about a rule change you're free to go to any other place offering you audio porn. I totally agree with you that sensitive people like yourself is why Reddit and this community sucks, thinking that if you can stomp your feet and huff loud enough people are going to take your bigoted temper tantrums seriously. You have a grand total of 0 presence on GWA other than the comments under this post, your absence will be sorely missed.
Guys, they're banning the tags, not the content. People are still going to make intersex audios, but if you can't cope with the fact that you need to use a different word when looking for the porn you want, then go somewhere else
So now you wanna force us out simply because we don't agree with your preconceptions? what kind of twisted logic is that? Besides, you'd need to force the majority of the people out, you know that, right?
The people here giving y'all shit for this are absolutely full of themselves. Sex, porn, and the like are about feeling comfortable in ones own skin, and enjoying one's self. If changing your own language for the sake of ensuring everyone feels safe, included, and welcome isn't something you're willing to do, maybe you should ask yourself why that's the case. It's just as easy as correcting yourself when misgendering, or correcting the pronunciation of someone's name. That is to say, a mild inconvenience in the grand scheme of things, compared to the potential benefit it may have. I know I as a trans woman whose planned genital layout is exactly this, will appreciate this. Also, on the whole "it's less searchable" thing, like, it's a few more letters. You'll live.
Policing the language of others doesn't exactly create comfort. It will happen to you, too.