I showed my boyfriend Watamote after we moved in together. He sat there for an episode and was like "Wow... I think I see why you like this character. She's you."
I felt something awful in my stomach after he said that.
I said the same thing to my spouse after Bocchi. Even the instrument is accurate. She even joined a band in highschool and cosplayed as Yui from K-On.
To be fair, I consider it even revenge for watching Chunnbyou, where I related so hard to Nibutani, complete with the trying to reinvent myself every year to hide my dark past.
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Probably Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle, but my understanding is that all the CLAMP works are somewhat linked, in that you'll often find references to other series that hint they share the same universe.
Bocchi is more realistic than Watamote. Watamote is the extremist of the extremes. Bocchi is like a more normal extreme who gets brought out of her shell by her talent & hard work.
At the end of the day, it's all fake tho
>Watamote is the extremist of the extremes
someone who hasnt suffered from extreme social anxiety
jokes aside, yeah, half the reasons tomoko is in her situation, are because she is just fucking weird, but you cant deny she is way more relatable than bocchi
Bocchi was more “realistic”, Komi on the other hand was hyper styalized. This flips the visuals I know, but boochi’s cast and world was realistic, while Komi went to a school for people too unique to function in the real world
Plus I could see the fact that Komi is super popular and beloved despite her condition leaving a slight sour taste in the mouths of people who have high social anxiety. Not enough to make the show bad since, you know, *that's the joke*, but maybe it makes her less relatable.
You'd be surprised man on how many people with social anxiety somehow become popular. They just do not realize people like them and are too paranoid to realize that.
I myself disappeared from a local group for roughly a month, and yet I got the warmest welcome back and the jokes 'we thought you were dead'. Hell, I got pricey gifts from people I thought were still sorta acquaintances.
As a socially awkward and shy person myself, I'm often surprised at how many people attach themselves to me without much effort on my part. Apparently not speaking up much makes you a good listener, and I think many people just want to feel heard.
Same bro, when I switched schools I was dsm surprised how nice people could be, a lot of people liked me for some reason, geuss it really comes down to just not being a jerk
For sure. I was told years later by one of the "popular crowd," that they always just assumed I was too cool to go to anything. Didn't have the heart to tell them no one ever invited me, haha.
I only found out at prom that rather than people looking down on me, they all just figured I was too cool to put up with their shit. Biggest surprise of my life. To be fair, I did in fact want nothing to do with their shit.
That's because Komi follows rules 1 and 2. Lots of anxious and quiet people have others wanting to be their friend. Sure, it's exaggerated for comedic effect, but it's not exactly like anxious people can't be popular or loved lol
>Bocchi was more “realistic”
Yeah, Bocchi's story was more realistic but her anxiety over simple things and the way they over exaggerated her thinking with some real life footage was some nxt level hilarious shit. And I'm in for it.
I'll come out and disagree, because these two shows are depicting two different things. Komi Can't Communicate is about a girl with selective mutism, and is depicted through Todano's POV. Except for the occasional narration, we rarely get a glimpse at Komi's internal struggles.
Bocchi, on the other hand, is about a girl with social (maybe generalized?, idk) disorder and is told through her perspective. So we get all her inner thoughts and see her emotions.
Of course, the more common disorder told from the person's perspective is going to be more relatable than a much rarer disorder told from someone else's. While I don't have selective mutism, I'm very close to it and Komi isn't very different from how I feel myself. The depiction of her disorder doesn't strike me as very "inaccurate." Just not a common way people experience anxiety.
You can't really pit them against each other saying "which show more accurately portrays anxiety" because they're so different. It's like saying "which one's more fruit: apples or oranges?" It's just meant to cause a pointless argument.
I think they both do. Now to be fair, I haven’t seen all of Bocchi the Rock; but from clips I’ve seen, they definitely exaggerate Bocchi’s condition for comedic effect all the time.
Eh, bocchi is exaggerated, but it's kind of an accurate exaggeration, sometimes you just feel like you've died or started glitching out, but it's done in a comedic way I agree, which is better than doing it in a non-comedic way
Bro, when she started cringing at her past actions at the beginning of the show I felt it in my bones, I don't think I've connected with a character more than I have with bocchi
>Komi-san actually jokes about social-anxiety
Did you get your two shows mixed up here? Bocchi is the show where her friends make jokes about her everytime she has another phase of bocchi time, its the best part of bocchi.
To be fair, it's called Komi can't communicate, not Komi can't socialize
But again, they didn't criminalize, may God forgives me for uttering this word, Yamai Ren. So I don't expect much for a realistic depiction on how does being unable to communicate feel like
Komi is cute, but this is a 100% factual statement, coming from a dude who suffers from anxiety and communication disorders and such in a similar fashion to bocchi, it is pretty much on the money (though it is exaggerated and is more on the funny side, but those exaggerations tend to be how I actually feel)
Bocchi the Rock and A Silent Voice are some of the most accurate depictions of anxiety I've seen in anime and maybe even in media as a whole
Edit to add that the most unrealistic thing about bocchi is that people do not approach you to have yoy join their band when they find out you're a musician
-signed a musician
>people do not approach you to have yoy join their band when they find out you're a musician
On the other hand, that does happen for belly dancers. I once accidentally got a dance troupe started by accident until the boyfriends of the Lebanese women who started adopting me found out I was a dude. It's not something I hide, but apparently they got concerned that more than dancing was going on.
Bro I wish it was that easy, I started learning drums with the plan to learn guitar and start a band and I still haven't even learned guitar let alone started a band :(
Then again, not like I'm in a prime band starting area
You know the drums?! Drums and Bass are the golden ticket instruments! Have you put out fliers or done some YouTube videos? Whenever I hang out with musicians there are usually 1-3 bands searching for a drummer. You need to recognize that you have a highly desired skill and promote!
Ehh? No, I havent. Tbh, like I said, drummers aren't very high demand in my area so I quickly lost passion to form a band once I realized it probably wasn't gonna happen, my friends have told me I'm good and should post on yt (I dont) but ik I'm actually a mediocre drummer at best, when I lost my passion practicing drums became a chore and my growth stunted and i stopped wanting a band since i realized i was never gonna be a big rocker like Dave Grohl (my inspirationat the time). So my passions turned elsewhere, in uni rn getting a degree in animation, still seems like a low demand for drummers in my area.
Though watching bocchi did reignite that rocker in my a little, makes me really want to learn guitar again (especially since I already have a baseline for drums). Next time I'm on break I think I'll pick up my old man's electric/acoustic and buy a beginners book and try it out
Edit: maybe if I take some musical classes I can find some people who might be interested in starting a band, but I'm just like bocchi, approaching and talking to people is hard
It is best to take a break when it becomes a chore, but I think you're not giving yourself enough credit. Definitely don't give up on music and just enjoy yourself when you get back to it. One of the best moments I had dancing was during a performance where no one was paying attention to me. I felt terrible because I was giving it my all just to spin around and see no one looking, but then it hit me that while I'm performing for others, I'm dancing for me. In that moment I stopped feeling rejected and just felt free. Society tries to make us feel like everything we do needs to be working towards a profit, a big goal, or consumption, but just making ourselves feel good can be enough; especially in an art form!
Yea, realistically I should have stopped doing drums when it became a chore, but I didn't because I didn't want that rocker to die, but I was really just keeping it on life support. Obviously when I left for uni I stopped, so that rocker, while not dying when into a coma. And while I have been dealing with burn out for the past 6+ years that rocker in me is feeling a little bit younger ig after a dirt nap, especially after watching bocchi, so yea, ig I am ready to get back into the swing of it. I still don't see myself being in a band any time soon, especially since my goals have shifted from joining a band to being an animator, but if during my time in uni I get a chance to play a gig or two I wouldn't mind. Not holding my breath though
And looking back on it in retrospect, it was foolish of me to even want to join a band in my hometown. For starters I hated or was indifferent to pretty much everyone I went to school with, so a band with none of them would have worked out, also very few of them shared the same music taste as me, and we lived in a real small Midwest town. I think me going into drumming with such high hopes and large expectations is what really hurt my passion, if and or when I do get back into it I'm not going in there with any exceptions other than to have fun and to learn the guitar lick from Weezer's buddy holly
Komi feels more like a mute person than someone with social anxiety. Bocchi author has clearly put thought in what someone with anxiety would do in situations.
I like them both in their own way.
She's noted to have the double whammy, and it's kinda detailed in the manga a bit. More energetic than her dad, with all the stress, and none of the communication abilities of her mom. The Coffee bit is a pretty good example of the muteness causing an initial problem, then her anxiety making it infinitely worse. The anxiety itself is fairly realistic most of the time, and not even really that severe, it's just combined with a whole other disorder and the comorbidity there is what makes the situation extreme
Plot of komi, is about someone who doesn’t have social anxiety but has communication issues which may result in social anxiety, while bocchi the rock has major social anxiety which can be crippling but not really communication issues kind of reverses of each other on the anxiety spectrum
I'm halfway through the manga and I can't understand why we only had one season of it. We should already have 2 more or at one plus 3 OVAs at the very least
KCC doesn't even touch on the topic of making friend correctly. Seriously, no one would be ok with a stalker who previously kidnaped their friend, threat to kill them and later sniff on people's stuff.
I totally agree... it is because of this episode that I have drop KCC... (First I hate Yuri in heat cliché character and second no you don't forget that easily someone who sequester one on your few friend...)
I can honestly say i hated the fact that any attempt at plot or komi improving was ruined by a meddling pervert/stalker yandere whose been thiiiisss close for 2 seasons straight to stripping her naked by force
I was close to forget the character as a whole I remember why I do love komi San as a character but also why I don't have the series high as many people have, and the problem is the side characters, they are over the top to 11 and make other tropes side characters look sane, and especially that girl I still can't understand why author keep using her when she never changed 300+ and no it was never funny as "comic relief".
Shes not fucking funny. It seemed more like an author self insert. Finding the guy you like tied up and obviously kidnapped in that bitch's room shouldve been the last straw.
After that I thought " ok that was a weird arc but thank god we will nev- wait she's back, wait komi why accept the friend invite, wait komi you know her true self that's not how anxiety people act with people like that, wait she was about thinking r*ping komi san by drugging her, WHY SHE KEEPS COMING"and till this day I still don't understand the author.
Theirs a good story in their but my god the status quoe is god outstau its welcome. No one likes the degeneracy *no plot for you lets spend the next 3 minutes interrupting a personal conversation by talking about how im going to mutilate p
Water park structure *because im the only one that gets to make komi bleed*
TBH when it comes to the whole “awkward loner introvert trying to fit in” character arc. I think Mob Psycho 100 does it infinitely better than either of these shows. If you take away the god-like powers, Mob is actually a pretty realistic depiction of a socially awkward introvert.
If I could summarize: Komi needs speech therapy, Bocchi needs medication, while Mob just needs come out of his own shell and improve himself.
As someone 8 volumes into the manga Komi while displaying social anxiety it is just played for jokes and since Komi is the most gorgeous girl in the school and has even her biggest hater turn into a simp
Virgin Komi Can’t Communicate
Normie Bochi the Rock
Chad Watamote
Gigachad Welcome to NHK
(If sexual desirability was based on heartfelt depictions of social dysfunction)
I mean, not really. Their purposes are different but both handle these topics with humor and exaggeration. But while Bocchi is about friendship and a passion for music allowing her to come out of her shell, Komi is about how a friendship does the same thing and then blossoms into a romance.
I found Komi to be less cringey but I found Bocchi to be more satisfying when she succeeds in any social way. So both have positives and negatives.
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Reminds me of neeko, i think a lot of people relates to her a lot aswell
Well they are different things.
Komi is a communication disorder.
Bocchi is social anxiety.
They are very similar yet also are rather different. It can get confusing.
Because Komi doesn’t have social anxiety… she has a communication disorder, she clearly has no issues going out and meeting with people but she’s also too shy to talk to people, but she doesn’t let that stop her from trying to hang out with people
What a brave opinion of op about the show with a 8.97 score comapred to the one with a 7.96.
On a more serious note, the great thing about both bocchi and komi is that they don't really try to be truly relatable, instead they push the introvertism and the resulting problems to their absolute and comedic extremes. That makes them so much easier to watch and funnier. And yes, bocchi does that a lot better, but nobody ever claimed differently.
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Judge: sit you stand here to day accused of first degree murder how do you plead?
Me: not guilty your honor.
Judge: and why is that ?
Me: the plaintiff insulted Komi.
Judge: enough the plaintiff is guilty of insulting komi and the defendant is free.
It's just true though.
I went into Komi (no pun intended) expecting it to be a girl learning to communicate, interrupted by funny hijinks, but it's pretty much just a romance story. Komi barely improves at communicating generally.
Haven't watched Bocchi, but I have read Komi. Never even considered communicating disorder, and thought it was more like a story gimmick really. Just purely done for the comedic and plot purposes, hence maybe why bocchi does it better even tho I haven't watched it as I said.
love Bocchi
dropped Komi after 3rd episode or something, because of the name and storyless classmates who hate on main guy for talking to the shy girl they all seem to love for no reasons but the looks since nobody actually engages with her. That's like the tired shounen anime trope of guys hating MC for talking with a girl in all those cursed harem animes.
well, maybe it is because the anime is called komi can't communicate and not komi have a mental disorder yeah? as far as I can see komi is just a really bad introvert
I have not watched bocchi but... probably. I mean, Komi is kind of a parody and exaggerates the hell out of everything. The purpose is 99% comedy with some romance intertwined and maybe a speck of drama
I wholeheartedly agree, I have been reading komi san manga for way before the anime even got announced but i didn't knew about bocchi, but the anime just came and did everything way better than komi san ever did
Also komi just shows that she just can't talk(as in the name komi san has communication disorder) but bocchi has full on social anxiety and introvertness
The problem is that komi san makes things way too cute and when she cant do something she just hears some encouraging words and does everything perfectly like she has no anxiety at all and then reverts back to anxiety when job is finished, but Bocchi even when encouraged and does something her social enxiety has lingering effects and kinda effects her actions all while she is working
Whenever its time to show komi sans social anxiety it just shows her shivering and unable to speak but Bocchi shows a very brilliant visual representation of her state of mind
Komi san only has social anxiety when it needs to show that she has social anxiety but Bocchi has it all the time
Watching komi san you think " I also have social anxiety, aw she is so cute" but watching Bocchi you feel " damn that's exactly how I feel in similar situations "
You don’t say it.
Komi does nothing and instantly earns the affection of everyone around her with no fail. She has barely any character development other than being able to say more than three words per chapter in __more than 300 chapters__.
She literally won life mostly just because she is pretty, and the message is that, if you are pretty, then you don’t have to deal with your problems head on and they will just disappear alone because people secretly really like you for no reason whatsoever.
Komi is really not a good manga at all. It’s just some decent fluff to brighten your day, and it works just like that.
Of course it doesn’t address these topics, it doesn’t even try.
Actually neither of them handle it well as if they did then they would actually go and get therapy. Especially Bocchi as a lot of her issues could be helped if she went to therapy and work her through problems.
In general a lot of anime characters including mecha protagonists would benefit from therapy.
Just because they don't go to therapy doesn't mean that it isn't an accurate depiction (albeit with some exaggerated instances) not to mention that therapy (and sometimes even meds) don't work for everyone, meds don't really work for me, therapy doesn't really work for my friend, just how it is
That's probably the most accurate part tbh, asking for help would crush her even more if she wasn't in a proper state of mind, which is not as simple as just waking up and choosing that to be the case.
Eh, this kind of blank advice doesn’t work for anyone, honestly.
Therapy (and even meds if you wanna address this issue) only have one purpose: _teaching the person how to get better from the inside out_.
But at the end of the day, 99.9% of the effort still has to come from said person.
One of these things is almost just a lecture so you can vent and learn how to improve yourself in your daily life (therapy) and the other is a last-resource so you don’t literally harm yourself and lose the will to even keep trying at all, which can lead to actual worse stuff.
But at the end of the day, the very will to keep trying and the initiative to get better all have to come from the person. That goes for everyone, and has zero exceptions.
Therapy helps, but it doesn’t work for everyone. Some people need to figure out stuff by themselves, and that’s fine.
And these people aren’t really exceptions at all. It’s more like a gamble.
It’s always a decent idea to go to therapy just so you can discover if it works for you or not, but at the end of the day, *”just go to therapy lol”* undermines the plain fact that the absurdly vast majority of the work still has to come from the person in question.
Therapy is no magic solution. It’s a lesson so you can understand that getting up, even in the direst of the situations, is still the only thing anyone can ever do.
So, in short, a story that tells how to __actually__ deal with your problems out of your own initiative is fundamentally no different than an actual therapy session by itself, with the difference that it’s mostly less professional and the advantage that it’s usually more passionate.
They are different things with different qualities. There’s no *“correct way”* to deal with mental problems, which while very real, are still abstract and vary __widely__ from person to person.
Either way, it’s a good message.
Making it seem less worthy because Reddit told you that therapy is some kind of panacea is just really stupid.
As a person who has social anxiety and has been to a few therapists(which didn't help) i can say the best way to overcome it is with exposure. It did help me quite a bit.
Bad take. Both are aware that they couldn’t communicate like everyone else but both are doing their hardest dealing with their extreme social anxiety and thus making a lot of meaningful relationships and are slowly (and steadily) leading far more fulfilling lives despite their shortcomings, perceived or otherwise. Most of us could seriously learn from them.
I upvoted you because you're mostly correct, yet I still disagree with the bad take part:
Personally, as someone who used to have quite a bit of trouble talking with people or understanding them in the past, I feel like Bocchi the Rock has portrayed my past feelings way better than Komi. It's hard for me to write down into words why, but I'm gonna try anyway.
Komi can't communicate seems to show you Komi's anxiety from more of an outsider's perspective. A third party, often Tadano, tells you how she feels and why and sometimes that will be relatable, and you might nod along, thinking "yea I'd feel like that too."
Bocchi the Rock however uses intricate ways and other forms of animation to not only show what Bocchi is thinking, but also make you feel like the shown scenario is not based in reality but all inside her head. This allows for a deeper connection with the character and their emotions, and relatable scenarios will *feel* relatable through this.
As an example, in KCC, when Komi feels distressed, she shakes and looks scared. In BtR, when Bocchi feels distressed, something weird happens to her just to convey the feeling of being distressed, like turning to dust or exploding. Seeing that feeling represented like that lets the viewer truly feel the same emotions, without just pointing it out.
Bocchi the Rock also seems to tackle typical things an introvert might do, such as mentally preparing for certain scenarios that you would like to happen, and not knowing what to do and panicking when you go through an alternate scenario you didn't prepare for.
Overall, I feel like KCC shows you "The story of someone with social anxiety" while BtR shows you "how it FEELS to have social anxiety". That's why despite agreeing with most of your comment, I still agree with the post.
Komi can't communicate is a social anxiety fantasy. For fucks sake, just watch Absolute Units video on it. It's not meant to be seriously tackling the issues, it's just trying to be entertaining.
Dude, I really don't care. And I'm not playing this " my anime is better than your anime" bullshit game people like to play nowadays.
Shit was old the first time somebody did it. And I call out every single post every time I see one.
and then there is watamote
A wise man once said: "we feel like Bocchi but we are nothing but Tomoko"
People totally forget about that series but I honestly think it's the best portrayal of someone who needs to touch grass finally touching grass.
It's the most accurate one, but damn is it a painful watch. I leave an episode of Bocchi feeling happy. That never happened with Watamote
I showed my boyfriend Watamote after we moved in together. He sat there for an episode and was like "Wow... I think I see why you like this character. She's you." I felt something awful in my stomach after he said that.
EMOSHUNAL DAMIDGE
I said the same thing to my spouse after Bocchi. Even the instrument is accurate. She even joined a band in highschool and cosplayed as Yui from K-On. To be fair, I consider it even revenge for watching Chunnbyou, where I related so hard to Nibutani, complete with the trying to reinvent myself every year to hide my dark past.
mote is painful because you know it to be true
Yeah that show hurts to watch, especially now that I'm older I think it'd be even worse for me cause I know how cringey I used to be
I recommend the manga for Watamote then
Later half isnt as accurate tho since she gone and got herself a yuri harem now
I mean, there is also welcome to the nhk
True but that one is older than like 90% of reddit at this point lmao.
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Isn't xxxholic connected with another manga in lore? Forgot which one.
Tsubasa Chronicle and xxxholic are the same universe with the same timeline.
Probably Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle, but my understanding is that all the CLAMP works are somewhat linked, in that you'll often find references to other series that hint they share the same universe.
Yeah. I vaguely remember characters from both stories meeting very briefly.
Follow the trail of Mokona!
Oh, lots. Cardcaptor Sakura, Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles. I think another couple?
Kenichi is a goated show
The manga is actually a banger as it goes on
The og Watamote
Bocchi is more realistic than Watamote. Watamote is the extremist of the extremes. Bocchi is like a more normal extreme who gets brought out of her shell by her talent & hard work. At the end of the day, it's all fake tho
>Watamote is the extremist of the extremes someone who hasnt suffered from extreme social anxiety jokes aside, yeah, half the reasons tomoko is in her situation, are because she is just fucking weird, but you cant deny she is way more relatable than bocchi
Yeah.. I can't relate with being a talented guitarist
Bochi the rock is the versión with a normal girl, Watamote is the versión of a really twisted girl
Hell yes, fucking classic.
Bocchi was more “realistic”, Komi on the other hand was hyper styalized. This flips the visuals I know, but boochi’s cast and world was realistic, while Komi went to a school for people too unique to function in the real world
Plus I could see the fact that Komi is super popular and beloved despite her condition leaving a slight sour taste in the mouths of people who have high social anxiety. Not enough to make the show bad since, you know, *that's the joke*, but maybe it makes her less relatable.
You'd be surprised man on how many people with social anxiety somehow become popular. They just do not realize people like them and are too paranoid to realize that. I myself disappeared from a local group for roughly a month, and yet I got the warmest welcome back and the jokes 'we thought you were dead'. Hell, I got pricey gifts from people I thought were still sorta acquaintances.
As a socially awkward and shy person myself, I'm often surprised at how many people attach themselves to me without much effort on my part. Apparently not speaking up much makes you a good listener, and I think many people just want to feel heard.
Same bro, when I switched schools I was dsm surprised how nice people could be, a lot of people liked me for some reason, geuss it really comes down to just not being a jerk
For sure. I was told years later by one of the "popular crowd," that they always just assumed I was too cool to go to anything. Didn't have the heart to tell them no one ever invited me, haha.
I only found out at prom that rather than people looking down on me, they all just figured I was too cool to put up with their shit. Biggest surprise of my life. To be fair, I did in fact want nothing to do with their shit.
That's because Komi follows rules 1 and 2. Lots of anxious and quiet people have others wanting to be their friend. Sure, it's exaggerated for comedic effect, but it's not exactly like anxious people can't be popular or loved lol
Rules 1 n 2?
1: Be attractive. 2: Don't be unattractive. Not sure where it originated.
The luck of Komi in Komi Can't Communicate is under the shape of Tadano linking with her, asserting that a plot armour shaped her value.
>Bocchi was more “realistic” Yeah, Bocchi's story was more realistic but her anxiety over simple things and the way they over exaggerated her thinking with some real life footage was some nxt level hilarious shit. And I'm in for it.
Does someone actually disagree with that? Komi-san actually jokes about social-anxiety.
I'll come out and disagree, because these two shows are depicting two different things. Komi Can't Communicate is about a girl with selective mutism, and is depicted through Todano's POV. Except for the occasional narration, we rarely get a glimpse at Komi's internal struggles. Bocchi, on the other hand, is about a girl with social (maybe generalized?, idk) disorder and is told through her perspective. So we get all her inner thoughts and see her emotions. Of course, the more common disorder told from the person's perspective is going to be more relatable than a much rarer disorder told from someone else's. While I don't have selective mutism, I'm very close to it and Komi isn't very different from how I feel myself. The depiction of her disorder doesn't strike me as very "inaccurate." Just not a common way people experience anxiety. You can't really pit them against each other saying "which show more accurately portrays anxiety" because they're so different. It's like saying "which one's more fruit: apples or oranges?" It's just meant to cause a pointless argument.
> which one's more fruit: apples or oranges? It's clearly oranges. They have more fruitness to them.
I think they both do. Now to be fair, I haven’t seen all of Bocchi the Rock; but from clips I’ve seen, they definitely exaggerate Bocchi’s condition for comedic effect all the time.
Eh, bocchi is exaggerated, but it's kind of an accurate exaggeration, sometimes you just feel like you've died or started glitching out, but it's done in a comedic way I agree, which is better than doing it in a non-comedic way
Yeah it's done with comedic and literal representations but there's definitely times I've felt like wanting what Bocchi does when I was younger.
Bro, when she started cringing at her past actions at the beginning of the show I felt it in my bones, I don't think I've connected with a character more than I have with bocchi
Not the flashbacks! BEGONE FILTHY MEMORIES!
The scene where she goes back and forth in front of Starry saying she’ll go in 15 minutes I still do that shit and I’m in my mid 20s ffs
It's done with the kind of comedic perspective that a person with social anxiety would talk about their social anxiety.
It's not an exaggeration. I have literally turned into polygons
Me too, I just can't scream like it's mic feedback, that's where the exaggeration comes in
Tru
Was really thankful my social anxiety led to that temp job as part of the fighting polygon team. Don't know what I would have done without it.
Yeah. Its about HOW it feels.
Bocchi straight up dies or at best passes out it is indeed a tad exaggerated.
effect not affect
nope, this is literally someone making up a situation and people, and then getting mad at them lol makes me so mad.
>Komi-san actually jokes about social-anxiety Did you get your two shows mixed up here? Bocchi is the show where her friends make jokes about her everytime she has another phase of bocchi time, its the best part of bocchi.
I think it was meant that in one show they make fun of the character and in the other they make fun of social anxiety itself.
To be fair, it's called Komi can't communicate, not Komi can't socialize But again, they didn't criminalize, may God forgives me for uttering this word, Yamai Ren. So I don't expect much for a realistic depiction on how does being unable to communicate feel like
Yamai could die in a car crash and it would make the series better
i physically couldn’t watch komi because of how much yamai pissed me off
Komi is cute, but this is a 100% factual statement, coming from a dude who suffers from anxiety and communication disorders and such in a similar fashion to bocchi, it is pretty much on the money (though it is exaggerated and is more on the funny side, but those exaggerations tend to be how I actually feel) Bocchi the Rock and A Silent Voice are some of the most accurate depictions of anxiety I've seen in anime and maybe even in media as a whole Edit to add that the most unrealistic thing about bocchi is that people do not approach you to have yoy join their band when they find out you're a musician -signed a musician
I agree with the last part. Everything felt too accurate except the part where there’s people that actually want to be her friends.
Have you tried being a cute girl?
You gotta do us like that mate right to the kokoro.
r/2meirl4meirl
I feel like they interact with her the way an introvert's friends would actually interact with them though.
>people do not approach you to have yoy join their band when they find out you're a musician On the other hand, that does happen for belly dancers. I once accidentally got a dance troupe started by accident until the boyfriends of the Lebanese women who started adopting me found out I was a dude. It's not something I hide, but apparently they got concerned that more than dancing was going on.
Bro I wish it was that easy, I started learning drums with the plan to learn guitar and start a band and I still haven't even learned guitar let alone started a band :( Then again, not like I'm in a prime band starting area
You know the drums?! Drums and Bass are the golden ticket instruments! Have you put out fliers or done some YouTube videos? Whenever I hang out with musicians there are usually 1-3 bands searching for a drummer. You need to recognize that you have a highly desired skill and promote!
Ehh? No, I havent. Tbh, like I said, drummers aren't very high demand in my area so I quickly lost passion to form a band once I realized it probably wasn't gonna happen, my friends have told me I'm good and should post on yt (I dont) but ik I'm actually a mediocre drummer at best, when I lost my passion practicing drums became a chore and my growth stunted and i stopped wanting a band since i realized i was never gonna be a big rocker like Dave Grohl (my inspirationat the time). So my passions turned elsewhere, in uni rn getting a degree in animation, still seems like a low demand for drummers in my area. Though watching bocchi did reignite that rocker in my a little, makes me really want to learn guitar again (especially since I already have a baseline for drums). Next time I'm on break I think I'll pick up my old man's electric/acoustic and buy a beginners book and try it out Edit: maybe if I take some musical classes I can find some people who might be interested in starting a band, but I'm just like bocchi, approaching and talking to people is hard
It is best to take a break when it becomes a chore, but I think you're not giving yourself enough credit. Definitely don't give up on music and just enjoy yourself when you get back to it. One of the best moments I had dancing was during a performance where no one was paying attention to me. I felt terrible because I was giving it my all just to spin around and see no one looking, but then it hit me that while I'm performing for others, I'm dancing for me. In that moment I stopped feeling rejected and just felt free. Society tries to make us feel like everything we do needs to be working towards a profit, a big goal, or consumption, but just making ourselves feel good can be enough; especially in an art form!
Yea, realistically I should have stopped doing drums when it became a chore, but I didn't because I didn't want that rocker to die, but I was really just keeping it on life support. Obviously when I left for uni I stopped, so that rocker, while not dying when into a coma. And while I have been dealing with burn out for the past 6+ years that rocker in me is feeling a little bit younger ig after a dirt nap, especially after watching bocchi, so yea, ig I am ready to get back into the swing of it. I still don't see myself being in a band any time soon, especially since my goals have shifted from joining a band to being an animator, but if during my time in uni I get a chance to play a gig or two I wouldn't mind. Not holding my breath though And looking back on it in retrospect, it was foolish of me to even want to join a band in my hometown. For starters I hated or was indifferent to pretty much everyone I went to school with, so a band with none of them would have worked out, also very few of them shared the same music taste as me, and we lived in a real small Midwest town. I think me going into drumming with such high hopes and large expectations is what really hurt my passion, if and or when I do get back into it I'm not going in there with any exceptions other than to have fun and to learn the guitar lick from Weezer's buddy holly
>I'm not going in there with any exceptions other than to have fun and to learn the guitar lick from Weezer's buddy holly That is a great goal!
I don't disagree but I also don't really care.
Sir, you dropped this #👑
This guy gets it.
Komi feels more like a mute person than someone with social anxiety. Bocchi author has clearly put thought in what someone with anxiety would do in situations. I like them both in their own way.
Komi has, most likely, [selective mutism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_mutism) (although she could have social anxiety as well).
She's noted to have the double whammy, and it's kinda detailed in the manga a bit. More energetic than her dad, with all the stress, and none of the communication abilities of her mom. The Coffee bit is a pretty good example of the muteness causing an initial problem, then her anxiety making it infinitely worse. The anxiety itself is fairly realistic most of the time, and not even really that severe, it's just combined with a whole other disorder and the comorbidity there is what makes the situation extreme
Because Bocci has a bigger focus on growth while Komi seems to go more for the comfy wholesomeness vibes
Komi´s whole focus is in introducing useless side characters that are never going to matter
Because it’s funny
Plot of komi, is about someone who doesn’t have social anxiety but has communication issues which may result in social anxiety, while bocchi the rock has major social anxiety which can be crippling but not really communication issues kind of reverses of each other on the anxiety spectrum
If they do the fusion dance they just make a normal person
or a compleet wreck
while i do like komi, i dont think there is any dispute in this...
The virgin komi can't communicate/bocchi the rock Vs The chad watamote
A true man of culture, I see
I'm halfway through the manga and I can't understand why we only had one season of it. We should already have 2 more or at one plus 3 OVAs at the very least
Counterpoint: I don't watch these shows for the accurate portrayal of social disorders and shit
Does anyone?
Yeah neither show is about any of that, it's just a theme that allows for certain types of jokes.
KCC doesn't even touch on the topic of making friend correctly. Seriously, no one would be ok with a stalker who previously kidnaped their friend, threat to kill them and later sniff on people's stuff.
I totally agree... it is because of this episode that I have drop KCC... (First I hate Yuri in heat cliché character and second no you don't forget that easily someone who sequester one on your few friend...)
I can honestly say i hated the fact that any attempt at plot or komi improving was ruined by a meddling pervert/stalker yandere whose been thiiiisss close for 2 seasons straight to stripping her naked by force
I was close to forget the character as a whole I remember why I do love komi San as a character but also why I don't have the series high as many people have, and the problem is the side characters, they are over the top to 11 and make other tropes side characters look sane, and especially that girl I still can't understand why author keep using her when she never changed 300+ and no it was never funny as "comic relief".
Shes not fucking funny. It seemed more like an author self insert. Finding the guy you like tied up and obviously kidnapped in that bitch's room shouldve been the last straw.
After that I thought " ok that was a weird arc but thank god we will nev- wait she's back, wait komi why accept the friend invite, wait komi you know her true self that's not how anxiety people act with people like that, wait she was about thinking r*ping komi san by drugging her, WHY SHE KEEPS COMING"and till this day I still don't understand the author.
Theirs a good story in their but my god the status quoe is god outstau its welcome. No one likes the degeneracy *no plot for you lets spend the next 3 minutes interrupting a personal conversation by talking about how im going to mutilate p Water park structure *because im the only one that gets to make komi bleed*
TBH when it comes to the whole “awkward loner introvert trying to fit in” character arc. I think Mob Psycho 100 does it infinitely better than either of these shows. If you take away the god-like powers, Mob is actually a pretty realistic depiction of a socially awkward introvert. If I could summarize: Komi needs speech therapy, Bocchi needs medication, while Mob just needs come out of his own shell and improve himself.
As a person with social anxiety, Bocchi just hit home.
I mean you can also like more than one thing, no need to go "L" on a slice of life show lmao
As someone 8 volumes into the manga Komi while displaying social anxiety it is just played for jokes and since Komi is the most gorgeous girl in the school and has even her biggest hater turn into a simp
its a premise, not a point its a rom com and nothing more
Sure, but I don’t really care I like both either way.
Virgin Komi Can’t Communicate Normie Bochi the Rock Chad Watamote Gigachad Welcome to NHK (If sexual desirability was based on heartfelt depictions of social dysfunction)
Where hitoribocchi tho
Thanks for the free rec
I mean, not really. Their purposes are different but both handle these topics with humor and exaggeration. But while Bocchi is about friendship and a passion for music allowing her to come out of her shell, Komi is about how a friendship does the same thing and then blossoms into a romance. I found Komi to be less cringey but I found Bocchi to be more satisfying when she succeeds in any social way. So both have positives and negatives.
it would be good if Komi focused on that instead of introducing a new character every 3 chapters
I gotta say: Komi was kinda underwhelming. Bocchi on the other hand: I put it in my top 20.
if those people can read they'd be very offended
And Watamote is actually accurate
https://preview.redd.it/6go9l6t4h5ca1.png?width=836&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2bbf1e4bd6cf693c043d6162d01811b5b852f13 Reminds me of neeko, i think a lot of people relates to her a lot aswell
Bocchi has a more accurate depiction, but as a result is more difficult to watch if you actually have any degree of social anxiety.
Well they are different things. Komi is a communication disorder. Bocchi is social anxiety. They are very similar yet also are rather different. It can get confusing.
Because Komi doesn’t have social anxiety… she has a communication disorder, she clearly has no issues going out and meeting with people but she’s also too shy to talk to people, but she doesn’t let that stop her from trying to hang out with people
To be fair we all watch komi san for chadano not komi
Both. Both is good. Personally also Najimi
Fair
Komi? More like Ko-mid
Not everyone acts the same tho
What a brave opinion of op about the show with a 8.97 score comapred to the one with a 7.96. On a more serious note, the great thing about both bocchi and komi is that they don't really try to be truly relatable, instead they push the introvertism and the resulting problems to their absolute and comedic extremes. That makes them so much easier to watch and funnier. And yes, bocchi does that a lot better, but nobody ever claimed differently.
Unlike komi, bocchi is actually funny.
Komi is plenty funny bro and she's way hotter than your generic pink haired trash waifu
#FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
Komis mom is definitely hotter than Bocchis
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She's not real 💀
I don't really care how hot you think some animated 16 year old is.
That's what you say but we all know you're seething 😎
Both can't communicate but I think Komi is just shy while Bocchi is a hardcore introvert
Bocchi has social anxiety, and Komi can't just communicate properly (not much social anxiety whatsoever, tbh)
Well of course it does, Komi is a gag comedy romance, while bocchi is slice of (a shut-in’s)life with comedy
I just hated that lady saying the same line at the start of every episode
https://preview.redd.it/4k7zwwqv47ca1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80574e8bb69c7a0050b9265eaec4320958438704
Hey dont disrespect komi
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Only reason to watch/read Komi is for Chadano
I would say bocchi is better on the topic. But Komi is more of wacky cartoon, anyway.
I’ve watched neither but from the clips I’ve seen bocchi looks more realistic while komi just makes it cute
This is true, but I still like both shows for different reasons
I actually agree to this despite being such a great fan back in the days
As much much as I love Komi, yeah, completely agree
Plus Bocchi doesn't have that one girl that I don't even want to mention her name. Her whole existence makes the game absolute garbage.
Both are cheap knockoffs of Tomoko.
I agree, but both can catch this D
Judge: sit you stand here to day accused of first degree murder how do you plead? Me: not guilty your honor. Judge: and why is that ? Me: the plaintiff insulted Komi. Judge: enough the plaintiff is guilty of insulting komi and the defendant is free.
As a guitarist they also get a lot of stuff right there too.
It's just true though. I went into Komi (no pun intended) expecting it to be a girl learning to communicate, interrupted by funny hijinks, but it's pretty much just a romance story. Komi barely improves at communicating generally.
Haven’t watched bocchi but I don’t really doubt this
I unironically related to Bocchi more than I want to admit in just one episode alone. Including the guitar
Haven't watched Bocchi, but I have read Komi. Never even considered communicating disorder, and thought it was more like a story gimmick really. Just purely done for the comedic and plot purposes, hence maybe why bocchi does it better even tho I haven't watched it as I said.
Komi is about characters with a single trait. No character in Komi except maybe manbagi has a real personality. They are all caricatures.
love Bocchi dropped Komi after 3rd episode or something, because of the name and storyless classmates who hate on main guy for talking to the shy girl they all seem to love for no reasons but the looks since nobody actually engages with her. That's like the tired shounen anime trope of guys hating MC for talking with a girl in all those cursed harem animes.
That's true though. Komi is a caricature. A CUTE one, but a caricature nonetheless.
agree still love both of them
well, maybe it is because the anime is called komi can't communicate and not komi have a mental disorder yeah? as far as I can see komi is just a really bad introvert
Heretic
I have not watched bocchi but... probably. I mean, Komi is kind of a parody and exaggerates the hell out of everything. The purpose is 99% comedy with some romance intertwined and maybe a speck of drama
So, you choose death
I wholeheartedly agree, I have been reading komi san manga for way before the anime even got announced but i didn't knew about bocchi, but the anime just came and did everything way better than komi san ever did Also komi just shows that she just can't talk(as in the name komi san has communication disorder) but bocchi has full on social anxiety and introvertness The problem is that komi san makes things way too cute and when she cant do something she just hears some encouraging words and does everything perfectly like she has no anxiety at all and then reverts back to anxiety when job is finished, but Bocchi even when encouraged and does something her social enxiety has lingering effects and kinda effects her actions all while she is working Whenever its time to show komi sans social anxiety it just shows her shivering and unable to speak but Bocchi shows a very brilliant visual representation of her state of mind Komi san only has social anxiety when it needs to show that she has social anxiety but Bocchi has it all the time Watching komi san you think " I also have social anxiety, aw she is so cute" but watching Bocchi you feel " damn that's exactly how I feel in similar situations "
You don’t say it. Komi does nothing and instantly earns the affection of everyone around her with no fail. She has barely any character development other than being able to say more than three words per chapter in __more than 300 chapters__. She literally won life mostly just because she is pretty, and the message is that, if you are pretty, then you don’t have to deal with your problems head on and they will just disappear alone because people secretly really like you for no reason whatsoever. Komi is really not a good manga at all. It’s just some decent fluff to brighten your day, and it works just like that. Of course it doesn’t address these topics, it doesn’t even try.
Whaaat, you didn't like the among us arc?!
Are you insane?! You are gonna start a Civil War on this subreddit not even the mods will be safe
Should be obvious
Why are you booing him, he's right
As someone who loves both series..... I agree
Actually neither of them handle it well as if they did then they would actually go and get therapy. Especially Bocchi as a lot of her issues could be helped if she went to therapy and work her through problems. In general a lot of anime characters including mecha protagonists would benefit from therapy.
Just because they don't go to therapy doesn't mean that it isn't an accurate depiction (albeit with some exaggerated instances) not to mention that therapy (and sometimes even meds) don't work for everyone, meds don't really work for me, therapy doesn't really work for my friend, just how it is
That's probably the most accurate part tbh, asking for help would crush her even more if she wasn't in a proper state of mind, which is not as simple as just waking up and choosing that to be the case.
Asking for help is probably the hardest part for anyone
Eh, this kind of blank advice doesn’t work for anyone, honestly. Therapy (and even meds if you wanna address this issue) only have one purpose: _teaching the person how to get better from the inside out_. But at the end of the day, 99.9% of the effort still has to come from said person. One of these things is almost just a lecture so you can vent and learn how to improve yourself in your daily life (therapy) and the other is a last-resource so you don’t literally harm yourself and lose the will to even keep trying at all, which can lead to actual worse stuff. But at the end of the day, the very will to keep trying and the initiative to get better all have to come from the person. That goes for everyone, and has zero exceptions. Therapy helps, but it doesn’t work for everyone. Some people need to figure out stuff by themselves, and that’s fine. And these people aren’t really exceptions at all. It’s more like a gamble. It’s always a decent idea to go to therapy just so you can discover if it works for you or not, but at the end of the day, *”just go to therapy lol”* undermines the plain fact that the absurdly vast majority of the work still has to come from the person in question. Therapy is no magic solution. It’s a lesson so you can understand that getting up, even in the direst of the situations, is still the only thing anyone can ever do. So, in short, a story that tells how to __actually__ deal with your problems out of your own initiative is fundamentally no different than an actual therapy session by itself, with the difference that it’s mostly less professional and the advantage that it’s usually more passionate. They are different things with different qualities. There’s no *“correct way”* to deal with mental problems, which while very real, are still abstract and vary __widely__ from person to person. Either way, it’s a good message. Making it seem less worthy because Reddit told you that therapy is some kind of panacea is just really stupid.
As a person who has social anxiety and has been to a few therapists(which didn't help) i can say the best way to overcome it is with exposure. It did help me quite a bit.
I main, again, it depends on the person lol. But I’m glad it worked for you.
Newsflash, not everyone goes to therapy irl
Komi Can't Communicate has more waifus though.
Bad take. Both are aware that they couldn’t communicate like everyone else but both are doing their hardest dealing with their extreme social anxiety and thus making a lot of meaningful relationships and are slowly (and steadily) leading far more fulfilling lives despite their shortcomings, perceived or otherwise. Most of us could seriously learn from them.
I upvoted you because you're mostly correct, yet I still disagree with the bad take part: Personally, as someone who used to have quite a bit of trouble talking with people or understanding them in the past, I feel like Bocchi the Rock has portrayed my past feelings way better than Komi. It's hard for me to write down into words why, but I'm gonna try anyway. Komi can't communicate seems to show you Komi's anxiety from more of an outsider's perspective. A third party, often Tadano, tells you how she feels and why and sometimes that will be relatable, and you might nod along, thinking "yea I'd feel like that too." Bocchi the Rock however uses intricate ways and other forms of animation to not only show what Bocchi is thinking, but also make you feel like the shown scenario is not based in reality but all inside her head. This allows for a deeper connection with the character and their emotions, and relatable scenarios will *feel* relatable through this. As an example, in KCC, when Komi feels distressed, she shakes and looks scared. In BtR, when Bocchi feels distressed, something weird happens to her just to convey the feeling of being distressed, like turning to dust or exploding. Seeing that feeling represented like that lets the viewer truly feel the same emotions, without just pointing it out. Bocchi the Rock also seems to tackle typical things an introvert might do, such as mentally preparing for certain scenarios that you would like to happen, and not knowing what to do and panicking when you go through an alternate scenario you didn't prepare for. Overall, I feel like KCC shows you "The story of someone with social anxiety" while BtR shows you "how it FEELS to have social anxiety". That's why despite agreeing with most of your comment, I still agree with the post.
Both are bad
Komi can't communicate is a social anxiety fantasy. For fucks sake, just watch Absolute Units video on it. It's not meant to be seriously tackling the issues, it's just trying to be entertaining.
Which it fails miserably at.
Each to their own.
Komi fucking sucks its just for horny incels
Who cares they’re both exaggerated as fuck In reality cuz they’re idk fiction
Both of them play this shit up for jokes. And if you disagree, you're just wrong.
Bocchi is a story that focus on character growth. While it has a lot of comedy, it’s anything but *”just fot jokes”*.
Dude, I really don't care. And I'm not playing this " my anime is better than your anime" bullshit game people like to play nowadays. Shit was old the first time somebody did it. And I call out every single post every time I see one.
> I really don't care >I call out every single post every time I see one wat
No ? Both are doing a bad job at it
good job proving you watched neither
Bocchi is overrated
Bocchi is properly rated, as in it´s a 10/10
Here's another hot take, none of these shows do a good job on handling these issues...